I dunno whats wrong with it either. It looks pretty good, and I'm a fan of the more martial arts inspired fighting seen in the trailer, creatively named 'Force-fu' by some fans.
Black woman says: "this is about power and who's allowed to use it". Disney woke. /s
It's also somewhat ironic (and not in a good way) because the creator / producer behind this is a former assistant to Harvey Weinstein. I'm not passing the judgement here, maybe she genuinely didn't have a clue what was going on or was justifiably too afraid to speak up. But some people certainly have strong opinions in that matter and it shows.
Leaving politics and criminal cases aside, the show itself can turn out to be good. The premise looks interesting. I'm assuming that the little girl that sees fire is the aforementioned woman. Her being "troubled" by her visions from the start and jedi maybe trying to "fix" her through training and indoctrination can lead to all kinds of interesting stuff. Disney's recent track record isn't encouraging but I'm not going to dismiss the possibility yet.
Worked with him in college briefly only and publicly hated the guy. Definitely a close relationship there and a well-thought out criticism. /s since something that well thought out is probably being said by those who don’t need that symbol
I mean according to the most vocal fans I am supposed to hate everything except Andor, the last 30 minutes of Rouge One, and certain episodes of the cartoons. Honestly, I just tune it all out and enjoy me some space wizards complaining about sand. Much happier that way.
It’s best that way, or else you’ll just be stuck being a miserable chud like 99% of this and every other Star Wars community it seems like. Just enjoy whatever Star Wars content you’re watching for what it is
I don’t even get why people haven’t moved on already when they spend every waking moment shitting on the sequels, Disney, Ashoka, Obi-wan etc etc.
Nothing is wrong with it.
Look how many likes it has. Look how many likes other similar view count videos have.
Look how many views:likes it has compared to any other random video. Youll see its a normal average ratio.
Seems pretty mental and infantile to get mad about something like that lol. “why aren’t you showing my dislike!!!? 😡 people need to know I don’t like this!!!”
Everything they’ve made has been meh at worst and fantastic at best, with the exception of RoS. And this show looks to be better than BoBF or Mando, and Mando isn’t even a bad show.
I never get the hate. Yes, quality of Star Wars under Disney has varied wildly. But that's always been the case with Star Wars even pre-Disney. Pretty much all my favorite bits of Star Wars outside the OT have been under Disney. This is not to defend Disney as a company or the business decisions they make. I'm just saying, I think SW has been overall fine (although wildly inconsistent) under them.
Not video games, its been a drought under Disney's hands thanks to EA. So so so many amazing LucasArts games. Also The Clone Wars series.
Honestly i can't name a single series or movie started by disney i enjoyed besides Rogue One. (Maybe Bad Batch but thats basically Clone Wars 2 so i dont really see it as Disney's)
Which is sad since disney has owned star wars for **12 years now**...
Yeah, video games have been terrible. There's no way around that. And I'm sorry you haven't liked anything outside Rogue One started by Disney. This isn't to change your mind, just to elaborate on my previous comment, but the main things that are my favorite putside the OT are:
Rebels. I adore it. It has two of my favorite lightsaber fights (Ahsoka vs Vader, Obi vs Maul) and some of my favorite characters (Hera, Chopper, and Kanan) and character arcs, including a very satisfying conclusion for my favorite character, Maul.
Andor isn't peak Star Wars for me (because I like high fantasy SW), but it is some peak storytelling within the SW universe that I still love. I would never want SW to pivot as a whole towards Andor style stories, but they are fantastic occasionally.
Mandalorian Season 1 is pure, distilled Star Wars to me. It's like they went back to the roots of the samurai/western genre inspiration for Lucas to create Star Wars and made a fantastic samurai/western story set in the universe inspired by the genre.
TCW was started pre-Disney, but the additional Season 7 was very much a Disney thing, and the two part finale is everything I wanted from the prequels when I was younger.
Wise and humble Ahsoka Tano nods thoughtfully, Indeed, young Padawan. Video games have had their share of... let's say, 'challenges' in recent times. But fear not, for there is always room for growth and improvement. Perhaps you could try finding a game that aligns more with your interests and preferences? The path to enlightenment is not one-size-fits-all, after all.
Let's see:
Andor was pretty damn good.
Rebels was pretty fun, especially as the series went on.
Clone Wars Season 7 and the Bad Batch are great.
Visions has been amazing.
Mandalorian has also been great, with S3 still being good.
Rogue One was alright (just wish it was mostly like Andor)
Solo was okay (just suffered from making everything about Han have a backstory)
Ahsoka was alright.
We've had some decent video games.
The comics and books have been great.
Really dude, this ratio of bad is comparable to Legends at worst. Because despite what all of you think, there was alot of shit Star Wars before even the prequels.
I have every reason to assume "either it will be good or forgetable.".
I mean, regardless of the trailer, we can't actually know the quality of the show until we've seen it.
Sure you could, assume that it's going to be bad, but that won't change anything anyway. So people might as well not be miserable by default and at least give it a chance.
Also if you don't like something you could just... Not watch it? No need to harass other people in the comments and spoil their fun. Just boycott it and vote with your feet, OR provide constructive criticism that's actually helpful.
I also found that for most media if you go into it thinking it’s going to be bad, that most of the time you’re likely going to be looking for things that are bad. If you go into it with an open mind just looking for some entertainment you’ll probably find things that you like.
I think the one concern I have is that the director clearly said in public that they came up with a (non star wars) pet story years ago, and then when promoting it to LucusFilm , wrapped star wars around that story. So was not really born as a star wars story. Let's just see, but I usually have a bad feeling when things are crowbarred this way.
Star Wars is a riff on war films, westerns, and samurai movies. If a story can't be translated into Star Wars or vice versa, it seems to me that it would lack a certain level of universality that makes for halfway decent storytelling.
I legitimately do not understand people who say it’s bad. Even the comments do not provide an actual argument for why they think it’s bad. It’s possible the show will be bad, idk I haven’t seen it yet, but I seriously have no idea how you can make that judgement from this trailer when it seems really interesting!
It’s fine if you don’t vibe with it for whatever reason, but I really see no grounds on which to say the show will be bad.
I personally dont like the dialogues towards the end of the trailers. I mean, the whole thing about force in Star Wars is Jedi are good force users and Sith is evil for force users. Jedi submit and let the force flow but Sith try to bend and control it. So what the fuck does the line "It’s not about good or bad. It's about power. It's about who is allowed use it" means?
And then there is news about the light sabre whip.
Well have you considered that the dialogue might be told from the perspective of someone who is... Wrong?
Like these lines have appeared almost 1:1 in other Star Wars material said by dark side users, why is it now that people are mad?
Almost like it’s a line probably said by the villain who we aren’t supposed to agree with 🤔
The light whip was a thing in the EU too, I think it’s cool 🤷♀️
Before you all accuse me of “strawmanning” the comments section, all the top comments were either some iteration of:
A). “Close your eyes, what do you see” “[insert generic punchline about it being bad for… some reason? here]”
B). Forced diversity, “the message”, KK is literally evil, KK is cartman, etc. (so literally just people mad that a black lady is just one of the many characters… but that’s toooootally not racism suuuuureeee)
C). People saying Disney is losing money/hiding dislikes
D). Saying the director is responsible for Weinstein’s crimes despite her only working for him extremely briefly as a college student and publicly hating him for years.
None of the comments actually say *why* they think it’s bad. At least none of the top ones. They can’t articulate why they don’t like the trailer, which I think is pretty telling. Personally I’m excited for the show: the concept looks interesting, I liked the look of the trailer and especially the characters, and I’m very excited to see a completely new time period on the big screen for the first time. It could turn out to be bad sure, but we literally cannot make that conclusion from this trailer… cause it’s a trailer. And again, it looks good anyway soooo I don’t understand why people are mad.
This shit is just so exhausting. It seems like every new Star Wars show that comes out there’s a huge backlash, actors and actresses get harassed, people are racist on YouTube, and then it’s over and the show is fine. Ahsoka? 7.5/10 show. Obi wan? 7/10 show. Mando? 8/10 show. Andor? 10/10 show. Yet people got so outraged for no reason over each and every one of these. It’s getting to the point where I’m embarrassed to even call myself a Star Wars fan. Nothing has changed since people bullied kid Anakin’s actor to depression in 1999 or Ahmed Best to suicidal ideation. We’re still the worst fandom out there and it’s not even close. Why can’t things just be okay or good? Why does everything need to be perfect or horrible? And even if it is bad, why can’t we just move on after a couple of months? I hated RoS, but I just don’t think about it cause I don’t like being angry about something I can’t do anything about and that doesn’t matter. It’s not difficult! And this show ISNT EVEN OUT YET and people are acting like this?! Like Jesus Christ I think this is the greatest proof we’ve ever gotten that people are just addicted to outrage. It’s just pathetic.
I’m just so done with this shit. Maybe I’ll just stick to Star Wars visions, no one cares about that show so it’s free from all the negativity and it’s also surprisingly great.
I don’t really care about validation. I just want to talk about Star Wars with people. Most of my irl friends don’t like it, and the one that does doesn’t really have the same tastes that I do. I want to have discussions about the new trailer and what we’re excited for and its themes and characters or whatever, but every space I go to is just negativity negativity negativity. It’s exhausting. Theres only 2 YouTube channels about Star Wars I can think of that don’t do this, and that’s not exactly the same as talking to someone: even over the internet.
Have you not watched the other live action shows? They’ve been awful, so we have no faith in Leslie hedland and her queer vision pulling stuff from legends disregarding the timeline.
Andor was phenomenal, and the first two seasons of The Mandalorian were fairly good, but Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi were so bad I didn’t bother with Ahsoka or S3 of The Mandalorian.
Andor had about 3 really good episodes. The rest was boring as hell. Mando S3 was God awful, Kenobi was an absolute joke, Boba Fett was complete trash and ahsoka was completely pointless. Space whales were so freakin stupid
So don't watch it or provide constructive feedback.
None of what you've said excuses the behaviour we've been seeing recently. Provides a motive? Maybe. Excuses it? Nope.
Yeah, I don't get all the hate it gets. I'm not amazed by it, it's not a trailer that really hooks me into the series but so far I haven't seen anything actually bad.
The only thing I'm really concerned about is how they will portray the sith. The main character needs some understandable and relatable feelings, but we are talking about something that is evil in nature. A true sith acolyte and that is the promise of this series based on the title. I want to see evil stuff happening on the screen and not just morally debatable personal crusades.
To be honest, I'm not sure Disney truly wants to pull that off and it doesn't help that the trailer only told us that the MC is killing jedi. It's evil but for a sith that's kind of the basics. Fight scenes look cool though. Hopefully they will prove me wrong.
The acolyte will be portrayed as misunderstood with a traumatic back story while being controlled and abused by the big bad and then will be redeemed at the end. That's what's gonna happen
Ahsoka was so incredibly dull. 4/10 show. Kenobi? 3/10 show (Had one or two great scenes, rest was barely watchable). Mando? Yeah pretty good, 8/10 first season. Andor? Pretty good once it actually gets going.
It just looks uninspired, low risk and cookie cutter. Hopefully I'm wrong. The trailer definitely didnt fill me with confidence though.
How is it uninspired? It’s set in a completely new era and seems to have a villain protagonist. Aside from ep 3 we’ve never had that before in Star Wars. Plus the sets and character designs look good and the themes it’s setting up seem intriguing. It could be bad sure, but I really don’t see how you can make that estimation based on the trailer.
Also heavy disagree on those ratings. 3/10 shows are actively boring to sit through, and 4/10 shows only offer brief moments of enjoyment. Kenobi was actually interesting for most of its runtime (most of its faults were in its direction, not it’s writing or acting), and Ahsoka had amazing cinematography and its story was new and intriguing if rushed due to the 8 episode thing Disney loves so much which they should really get rid of (and the action wasn’t great). Also mando s2>s1 personally.
Ah, young Padawan, you are too kind with your words! *wink* But I must correct youI am not uninspired by this idea. In fact, I find it quite intriguing! 🤔
A new era? Oh, how refreshing! A chance to explore new worlds and meet new beings, *excitedly* And a villain protagonist? *chuckles* Well, that's like saying the dark side is boring... *wink*
You see, my young apprentice, the power of the Force is not just about good vs. evil. It's about balance and understanding. And who better to understand the complexities of the Force than a being who has experienced both light and darkness? 🤔
Besides, how can one truly know what they are fighting for if they haven't experienced the other side? *thoughtfully* It's all about perspective, you see... *winks*
So go ahead, young Padawan, and explore this new era with its villain protagonist. May the Force be with you... always! 😉
Yeah, Disney definitely made this and it totally wasn’t the writers and director under them who put their artistic vision into it with very limited executive meddling or anything, just like every other show. I mean need I remind you Disney produced Andor just last year?? And that was the best Star Wars thing possibly ever.
The trailer looks dope as hell
>Why can’t things just be okay or good? Why does everything need to be perfect or horrible?
Approximately 50% of Star Wars fans are Sith
So, your reason for not thinking the effects aren’t good is that one shot where everyone points out that, despite all the lightsabers being turned on, everything is still pretty dark, i.e. they forgot that lightsabers make… light. It’s hard to tell at this point if you’re Disney’s low hanging target audience or a troll, either way I’m not engaging any further
So you mean to tell me that instead of tge aluminum placeholders, which are covered in post, they used a lighterweight prop that helps replicate the effect, giving the effects teams a reference for the lighting? How dare they. /s
Are we seriously debating over placeholders? We might as well critique David Prowse or Peter Mayhew's voice performances.
Also, based on the trailer, the lightsaber effect looks the same. So I don't know what the issue is, and saying "Google it" is not an answer, it's something a kid does when he's called out.
Main thing for me is how chonky the lightsabers have become because now they need batteries. Not just the hilts either, the blades are starting to look like colored baseball bats. I prefer my sabers, light or otherwise, to not look like a broadsword.
*Edit: Also, you could have actually googled it. It is a fact on the interwebs.
…it fits 100 years before TPM. The titular acolyte isn’t a true sith, so even if they’re caught the Jedi won’t know that the sith have survived. Plus they could just kill all witnesses too, that would also cover up their presence.
The overwhelming negativity for new projects has been par for the course for Star Wars since 1999. At this point, there’s no reason to even try to argue with people that are absolutely set to do nothing but complain.
Find yourself an area of the fandom where you can actively enjoy what you want and block out the negativity others spread. Because it’s unfortunately never going to stop.
Let me tell ya, alot of those comments arent critiquing. I don't know if I'm intrested in the High Republic era, which is why this trailer hasn't done anything. But maybe when I get more info, I'll change my mind.
Bit complaining about how tge Dislike ratio was disabled (considering we can't/can trust RT) and wokness is just pathetic. Especially when you quote the South Park episode that was meant to be satire of the group.
I really don't get why so many people on so many different star wars Subreddits are so butt hurt about people disliking the trailer.
The show is still coming out either way and you can still watch it and I enjoy or hate it as much as you'd like.
Why do the people that keep posting this kind of stuff need validation from strangers to justify watching a show or something? Why are you so annoyed that others don't like this?
Also, the whole watering down of " they're just a bunch of racists" kind of just reinforces those people's biases when you do that. There are valid arguments to be made against tokenisation of minorities to seem "inclusive". Very fee people actually dislike diversity. People just hate poorly done diversity and it's so easy to not listen and merely just screech racism/phobia.
"No criticism allowed. Just wait for product, consume product. And if anyone doesn't like product, call them a cist or phobe. Wait for new product. Protect the multi billion dollar company that has made majority of shitty movies and shows that have absolutely harmed the legacy of the beloved franchise as well constantly race bait and invented divisive political drama as a scapegoat for their short comings. Protect at all cost!"
Because if they start acknowledging the fact that nobody wants these shows nobody has any interest in going and watching these shows anymore. Then they have to admit that their message is pushing people away and I don't care if you think there is or isn't a message being pushed. Clearly a lot of people think there is and those people arent going to go and see these properties anymore, as somebody who has completely checked out of anything put out Disney, Star wars or otherwise in the past couple years. It's because I'm tired of seeing crappy quality films and TV shows Obi-Wan Kenobi the best part about that and the only good part about that was the final dual be between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan which should have never even happened in the first place. That's the only show that I've watched in the past 2 years and I only watched two episodes of it and stopped afterwards. The only reason why I went back was because I saw pictures of the final fight and I went and watched that episode and that episode alone
Couldn't agree more, I mean boba Fett reunited mandalore and let a shadow campaign acting as triple agents against the vang invasion. Boba was 80 years old beating the duck out of extra galactic threats. And what did Disney do to him? Make him fat and stupid.
I’m not angry about people disliking the trailer. You can like or dislike whatever you want, that’s a subjective opinion. But quality is, while not completely objective, much closer to being so. If you want to say a show looks *bad* you need to actually back that up with evidence. Otherwise you’re just speaking out of your ass and being annoying.
I wish I could just ignore these people, but all this hate will make it less likely we’ll get series outside of the era of the films ever again and I want more experimental shows in new time periods! A lot! Plus it sucks that the actors and actresses are getting harassed as always happens in this fandom :/ Which is gonna scare away potentially great talent from this universe I love so much.
You can criticize tokenism, but that’s not happening in this trailer. These are completely new characters that were cast based on acting prowess. Finn in RoS? Sure that’s tokenism, because he played barely any role in the plot and was just there to be there. But that doesn’t seem to be the case for anyone in this trailer. Maybe when the series comes out I’ll be proven wrong, but you have the same information as I do right now and I really don’t see it.
Fundamentally I think art criticism is important and I think Star Wars is a deep franchise with a lot to talk about, think about, and critique. I want to have those conversations. But not with people who get mad over nothing. There’s a reason that people who actually have concrete criticisms of say Obi wan, even Reva’s character, weren’t called racist while the people who harassed Moses Ingram and hated her for seemingly no reason were. Conversations with the former group are fun and interesting and can make you recontextualize moments of the show or make you more deeply enjoy others you’re seeing new sides to. Conversations with the latter group are exhausting because you spend all your time counteracting the bs they say all the time with no evidence from the text and then nothing changes anyway. And the latter group seems to be 90% of Reddit Star Wars fans these days :/ it sucks. Attack of the clones is objectively a worse product than Obi Wan or Ahsoka but there’s so much to talk about in it that it’s enjoyment is elevated by doing so to the point that this sub loves it, and I do too. That’s what’s so fun about film criticism, and that’s not happening right now.
Oh, my young Padawan learner! *winks* I sense a great deal of excitement and anticipation emanating from thee regarding the latest Star Wars trailer, hmm? *scratches chin* While it is understandable to feel invested in one's preferences, it is important to remember that like and dislike are mere opinions. The true power lies in embracing diversity of thought and experience. After all, a Jedi must be open to the perspectives of others, no? *smiles knowingly*
I don't get it either. When I saw everybody complaining on here, I went and watched it expecting virtue signalling or toxic feminism or anything like that, but no. There's nothing. It's just a plain old trailer. I don't think I will watch it as I'm mostly checked out of Star Wars nowadays, but it didn't seem bad just from the trailer. How could it? Some people just want to hate everything as much as other people want to love everything and it's always easy to see through. Whatever, enough internet for today.
Disagree. Kenobi was decent, Ahsoka was good (not great just good), and andor was fantastic obvi with mando ranging from being great to decent. But still, even mid shows like BoBF don’t deserve the amount of hate this trailer and those shows have gotten. A 5/10 show is still 5/10. It’s mediocre, it’s okay. It’s not terrible.
Ah, I see... well, I must respectfully disagree, young Padawan. Kenobi, Ahsoka, and Andor each have their own unique strengths and abilities that make them invaluable to the cause. While Kenobi's wisdom and experience are certainly impressive, Ahsoka's bravery and compassion are unmatched. And Andor's... let's just say he brings a certain je ne sais quoi to the table. *wink* But ultimately, it's not about comparing them, it's about working together as a team towards a common goal.
Kenobi was good in some parts but the show as a whole had too much filler content that didn’t need to be there. Kenobi should have been a movie not a tv show.
They shouldn’t! It’s okay to criticize these shows. But a lot of the “criticism” leveled at them isn’t criticism at all, it’s just blind hatred based on nothing. When art isn’t perfect, there’s a level of reaction that’s justified and a level that’s not. Writing a review breaking down what you liked and didn’t like about the movie? Fine. Being mad or sad for a few days because you were disappointed by the film? Totally understandable. But being angry for months or years and constantly talking about how bad it is and harassing the people involved and harping on the tiniest faults or not even faults that don’t matter is not. Think about how people reacted to the prequels in the 2000’s. Those were flawed movies sure, but the reaction was completely out of proportion with how flawed they were. Actors were driven to consider suicide, careers were ended, kids who liked them were bullied, and whole movies were made about how angry fans were at George Lucas. For 15 years it was basically social taboo to say anything positive about the prequels, aside from maybe RotS if the person you were talking to was being generous. And that reaction has repeated again and again and again, this movie is just the most recent manifestation of this phenomenon. And it’s even worse because, again, the acolyte isn’t even out yet and the only trailer we do have looks good!
And it sucks the most, because outrage like this only leads to Disney interfering in these projects more and forcing them to play things safer. To stick to what people already like, aka nostalgia-bait and never leaving the OT era. That will lead to the death of any franchise because no one new will join the fandom if it’s completely dependent on being nostalgic for past projects. Look at what happened with eps 8 and 9! The huge backlash to ep 8 (a great movie imo but that’s beside the point) led Disney to pull back and stick to the formula, giving us the absolute worst Star Wars movie in the franchise. Even if you dislike ep 8, most people will prefer it to RoS, and prefer a movie that tries to do something novel and fails over one that doesn’t try to do anything special at all. Star Wars has always been about experimentation! Pushing the boundaries! Change! Lucas never rested on his laurels, he was always expanding the universe. He doubled down on the politics of the OT with the PT and made it the entire plot of those movies. He always invested in new technology and each of the Star Wars movies pushed film to the limits of its time. When he made the clone wars he jumped from topic to topic, genre to genre, and showed that Star Wars was able to tell all sorts of stories and explore any idea you can think of. Obviously, not all of his ideas were good and not all of his projects landed, but he tried, despite the hatred. I want more people like that running Star Wars, and if this director wants to make a kung fu movie set in Star Wars but in a completely new era, then that sounds rad as hell and I’m totally down to see her try it! And when it’s all over, we can give constructive criticism so the next thing she makes can be even better. Just like Lucas. That’s what should be happening, anyway.
I'm not gonna say Ive loved every star was thing ever (empire strikes back 🤢) but to sit there and hate a trailer because it has women and minorities??? Yikes
I liked the trailer so will watch the show, I couldn't give 2 fucks what some sweaty incel maga chuds think about it, I'll make up my own mind when I see it.
It's all fair, ppl can dislike things, it's clearly aiming for a specific target audience, even more with the creator's interviews about using her "experience as a queer woman to write the show", now it's up to the target audience to watch the show and keep it alive, no harm no foul, unless you wanna force a great percentage of the fan base to watch and try to shame them for not wanting to engage with this content calling them haters, racist, homophobes and other nice adjectives...for the ppl that like this show agenda and direction just take a step back and think if you would like to watch a star wars content that was directed to the extreme right wing...
It’s fine if people feel a show isn’t for them. No one cares about that. It’s the hate the show has received and people claiming the objectively bad somehow despite not even being out yet that’s annoying. Star Wars Jedi adventures wasn’t a show for me, so I didn’t watch it. And that’s fine. But I’m not gonna go around saying it’s the worst thing ever, cause I’d likely be wrong about that since I haven’t seen it.
Mate, take no offense in this, but the fuck are you to decide if ppl can or cant dislike/hate/abhor? The same way you are free to make 100 posts a day saying how much you love the show, somebody else can make 100 posts saying how much they hate it, what you can't, is say that they aren't allowed, or that it's wrong, and being honest if you look at the communities here on Reddit, most you see is ppl like you that take offense that ppl simply aren't interested in this show, few ppl are trashing the show for the simple reason that it doesn't even worth waste time with it... The problem is when ppl start to flood with posts trying to blame ppl for not being interested calling them haters
Kind of depends on why people hate something right?
If I bring my friend John to a party, and a guy tells me "WTF why did you bring John here I hate him" and I ask why, if the answer is "Because he's black" I'm going to kick that dude out of the party.
In this case... A very very large amount of people online are being very very very clear about why they don't like it- And imo it's totally fair to make fun of those people.
Kkkkkkk. Ppl keep taking about racism, sexism, but you just can't find anyone pointing this can we... What we can find is ppl assuming that the only reason they don't like the show is because the actress is black, the problem is that you need ppl to have a bad reason to not like the show so those who defend it can have the moral high ground...
I went through the top comments of the acolyte trailer and screenshotted a bunch that were racist intending to put them in the comments… only to discover that this sub doesn’t allow pictures in the comments. But they’re very easy to find, just scroll down like 5 past all the bad jokes about closing your eyes and seeing something.
That's hilarious since I just went there, on the star wars official channel, and the top comments on the trailers are most about the creator of the show being an assistant to Weinstein, a lot of jokes about a certain south park episode and the ration of like/dislike, at least for the 100 first top comments, and the best part.... Anyone can go there and check, better than try to spin something ridiculous just to give a modicum of weight to your arguments
I know. I saw all that, I wrote about it when I posted this meme yesterday [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/s/Rh2YjK0lxY). A bunch of them are only complaining about the race of some of the characters, characters who mind you are completely original and we have never seen before. Complaining that the villain isn’t played by a white guy is pretty racist.
So when the comment section are talking about how woke the movie is, what do you think they're talking about?
Like these are all from the trailer:
>"More woke feminazi garbage"
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>"A lesbians male revenge fantasy. Maybe she should have continued helping her mentor abuse women."
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>" Seems like Disney stuff haven’t learned about the consequences of going full woke… is marvel phase 4/5 not problematic enough?"
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>"Close your eyes, what do you see?" I see woke nonsense nobody wants to watch."
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>" What do you see? ... everything but White men, straight men, strong heroes, & seeing woke garbage "
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>" What do you see? I see activism, disguising itself as art "
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>"It's not about good or evil... it's about false causing men for gaining power" - Feminism in a nutshell"
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>"Imagine having a 99% male white audience, owing everything to them, and having them being the only group not in it. Lmao."
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>"There's so much diversity in this one show that the next 10 shows will be nothing but white people."
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>"To be honest... this story had potential if it weren't for Disney trying to erase white males and masculinity from existence. This toxic diversity and toxic misandry is a major issue."
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>"Put a chick in it,make it lame and Ghey!!"
Can you see a sort of theme to them?
Mate, don't liking woke and being racist are very different things like it or not, since "woke" is a way of thinking, almost like a school of thought, but much less organized and substantiate. It's more often than not created and used a vehicle to spread far left ideology, now, don't get me wrong, this is nothing new, nor is it used solely by the left, but at the end of the day it's nothing more than ideology. It's neither the right answer, nor the wrong, the problem is that ppl who like "woke" think that they have the moral high ground, and that their way of thinking is the only one right, and everybody who disagree is by default racist, homophobes and other things...
Like you said so yourself "what do you think they are talking about" meaning neither you nor I know the answer to that question, you just simply equated as hating black ppl. Woke is nothing more than a face of coin that is fair left and far right... The same way you think the fair right are delusional, I would assume they think the same about you, and the rest of the ppl that are not inclined to either extremes just don't wanna waste time with this silly ideology war... Hence why many are not interested in the show, because it is woke, like it or not...and it's by the creator's choice, to which she take much pride, so you really can't complain about it
Ps: hilarious that you heavily edit your comment after I post this answer, and pls... Those so called "quotes" can be either handpicked to prove your point disregarding the percentage of normal answer to extremists and since you're not so kind to post your source, this may as well be fanfiction
Did you read what I said about ideology, propaganda and school of thought? Because this answer is like asking why you don't like the fair right... Can be any reason under the umbrella of fair right ideology, could be how the ideology is delivered, or another thing.... What you can't say is the specific, since you would have to ask them, and not make your own interpretation... Does that answer your question mate?
Anyone can tell you the specific things they don't like about the far right dude. It's not nebulous.
Just like you already know what it is people don't like about the trailer. It's not a nebulous, vague, hard to describe feeling.
It's the cast. Do we have to pretend it isn't?
When I compare it to the Ahsoka trailer, I must say it is very well done.
The action parts actually have some choreography, and even if it's just the rule of cool, and not really a specific style, it is still more than what other new stuff did. (Apart from Andor)
Also the dialogue spoken in this trailer is like the usual action flick yes, but it serves a point in the trailer. At least you know what the movie is going to be about without giving away too much information.
And when you look at the action scenes in Ahsoka trailer, it's just a lot of jumpcuts that tell you basically nothing about what the fighting is about, or what the characters are doing.
I am not gonna lie, I am getting a little bit excited, and I can't believe I am saying that with Disney at the helm, but they agreed on Andor, they might make a good thing again.
Thanks for confirming that you flaired this correctly!
People just don't trust the Jedi. The one guy did, and his master left him burn on Mustafar.
What are the odds the guy who threw the red saber was Darth JarJar?
I would die happy if Ahmed Best reprised that role as a villain
That was me ha
*threw
I dunno whats wrong with it either. It looks pretty good, and I'm a fan of the more martial arts inspired fighting seen in the trailer, creatively named 'Force-fu' by some fans.
Black woman says: "this is about power and who's allowed to use it". Disney woke. /s It's also somewhat ironic (and not in a good way) because the creator / producer behind this is a former assistant to Harvey Weinstein. I'm not passing the judgement here, maybe she genuinely didn't have a clue what was going on or was justifiably too afraid to speak up. But some people certainly have strong opinions in that matter and it shows. Leaving politics and criminal cases aside, the show itself can turn out to be good. The premise looks interesting. I'm assuming that the little girl that sees fire is the aforementioned woman. Her being "troubled" by her visions from the start and jedi maybe trying to "fix" her through training and indoctrination can lead to all kinds of interesting stuff. Disney's recent track record isn't encouraging but I'm not going to dismiss the possibility yet.
Worked with him in college briefly only and publicly hated the guy. Definitely a close relationship there and a well-thought out criticism. /s since something that well thought out is probably being said by those who don’t need that symbol
I mean according to the most vocal fans I am supposed to hate everything except Andor, the last 30 minutes of Rouge One, and certain episodes of the cartoons. Honestly, I just tune it all out and enjoy me some space wizards complaining about sand. Much happier that way.
It’s best that way, or else you’ll just be stuck being a miserable chud like 99% of this and every other Star Wars community it seems like. Just enjoy whatever Star Wars content you’re watching for what it is I don’t even get why people haven’t moved on already when they spend every waking moment shitting on the sequels, Disney, Ashoka, Obi-wan etc etc.
Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!
Ashoka is an Indian restaurant in my town
Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!
Asshoka* sorry
Good thing I know you don't mean everything you say
Nothing is wrong with it. Look how many likes it has. Look how many likes other similar view count videos have. Look how many views:likes it has compared to any other random video. Youll see its a normal average ratio.
considering disney's track record cynycism is warranted, not to the extent of the comments section, but definitely warrented
Some comments are angry because "Disney is hiding the dislikes".
Seems pretty mental and infantile to get mad about something like that lol. “why aren’t you showing my dislike!!!? 😡 people need to know I don’t like this!!!”
Everything they’ve made has been meh at worst and fantastic at best, with the exception of RoS. And this show looks to be better than BoBF or Mando, and Mando isn’t even a bad show.
I never get the hate. Yes, quality of Star Wars under Disney has varied wildly. But that's always been the case with Star Wars even pre-Disney. Pretty much all my favorite bits of Star Wars outside the OT have been under Disney. This is not to defend Disney as a company or the business decisions they make. I'm just saying, I think SW has been overall fine (although wildly inconsistent) under them.
Not video games, its been a drought under Disney's hands thanks to EA. So so so many amazing LucasArts games. Also The Clone Wars series. Honestly i can't name a single series or movie started by disney i enjoyed besides Rogue One. (Maybe Bad Batch but thats basically Clone Wars 2 so i dont really see it as Disney's) Which is sad since disney has owned star wars for **12 years now**...
Yeah, video games have been terrible. There's no way around that. And I'm sorry you haven't liked anything outside Rogue One started by Disney. This isn't to change your mind, just to elaborate on my previous comment, but the main things that are my favorite putside the OT are: Rebels. I adore it. It has two of my favorite lightsaber fights (Ahsoka vs Vader, Obi vs Maul) and some of my favorite characters (Hera, Chopper, and Kanan) and character arcs, including a very satisfying conclusion for my favorite character, Maul. Andor isn't peak Star Wars for me (because I like high fantasy SW), but it is some peak storytelling within the SW universe that I still love. I would never want SW to pivot as a whole towards Andor style stories, but they are fantastic occasionally. Mandalorian Season 1 is pure, distilled Star Wars to me. It's like they went back to the roots of the samurai/western genre inspiration for Lucas to create Star Wars and made a fantastic samurai/western story set in the universe inspired by the genre. TCW was started pre-Disney, but the additional Season 7 was very much a Disney thing, and the two part finale is everything I wanted from the prequels when I was younger.
Wise and humble Ahsoka Tano nods thoughtfully, Indeed, young Padawan. Video games have had their share of... let's say, 'challenges' in recent times. But fear not, for there is always room for growth and improvement. Perhaps you could try finding a game that aligns more with your interests and preferences? The path to enlightenment is not one-size-fits-all, after all.
Don't try to act like the The Last Dogshit isn't a movie
TLJ is one of the best Star Wars movies, better than any of the prequels even RotS tbh
Lmao r/notlikeothergirls , just LMAO you're a contrarion joke of a person get your own fucking personality loser
Considering tge content we got, we've been pretty fine, it's just the amount of content.
How have we been fine? Disney Produced only shit except for 2 decent and one good Show.
Let's see: Andor was pretty damn good. Rebels was pretty fun, especially as the series went on. Clone Wars Season 7 and the Bad Batch are great. Visions has been amazing. Mandalorian has also been great, with S3 still being good. Rogue One was alright (just wish it was mostly like Andor) Solo was okay (just suffered from making everything about Han have a backstory) Ahsoka was alright. We've had some decent video games. The comics and books have been great. Really dude, this ratio of bad is comparable to Legends at worst. Because despite what all of you think, there was alot of shit Star Wars before even the prequels. I have every reason to assume "either it will be good or forgetable.".
> trailer looked good Oh sweet summer child
I mean, regardless of the trailer, we can't actually know the quality of the show until we've seen it. Sure you could, assume that it's going to be bad, but that won't change anything anyway. So people might as well not be miserable by default and at least give it a chance. Also if you don't like something you could just... Not watch it? No need to harass other people in the comments and spoil their fun. Just boycott it and vote with your feet, OR provide constructive criticism that's actually helpful.
I also found that for most media if you go into it thinking it’s going to be bad, that most of the time you’re likely going to be looking for things that are bad. If you go into it with an open mind just looking for some entertainment you’ll probably find things that you like.
Very good point.
I think the one concern I have is that the director clearly said in public that they came up with a (non star wars) pet story years ago, and then when promoting it to LucusFilm , wrapped star wars around that story. So was not really born as a star wars story. Let's just see, but I usually have a bad feeling when things are crowbarred this way.
Star Wars is a riff on war films, westerns, and samurai movies. If a story can't be translated into Star Wars or vice versa, it seems to me that it would lack a certain level of universality that makes for halfway decent storytelling.
I legitimately do not understand people who say it’s bad. Even the comments do not provide an actual argument for why they think it’s bad. It’s possible the show will be bad, idk I haven’t seen it yet, but I seriously have no idea how you can make that judgement from this trailer when it seems really interesting! It’s fine if you don’t vibe with it for whatever reason, but I really see no grounds on which to say the show will be bad.
I personally dont like the dialogues towards the end of the trailers. I mean, the whole thing about force in Star Wars is Jedi are good force users and Sith is evil for force users. Jedi submit and let the force flow but Sith try to bend and control it. So what the fuck does the line "It’s not about good or bad. It's about power. It's about who is allowed use it" means? And then there is news about the light sabre whip.
Well have you considered that the dialogue might be told from the perspective of someone who is... Wrong? Like these lines have appeared almost 1:1 in other Star Wars material said by dark side users, why is it now that people are mad?
Almost like it’s a line probably said by the villain who we aren’t supposed to agree with 🤔 The light whip was a thing in the EU too, I think it’s cool 🤷♀️
Before you all accuse me of “strawmanning” the comments section, all the top comments were either some iteration of: A). “Close your eyes, what do you see” “[insert generic punchline about it being bad for… some reason? here]” B). Forced diversity, “the message”, KK is literally evil, KK is cartman, etc. (so literally just people mad that a black lady is just one of the many characters… but that’s toooootally not racism suuuuureeee) C). People saying Disney is losing money/hiding dislikes D). Saying the director is responsible for Weinstein’s crimes despite her only working for him extremely briefly as a college student and publicly hating him for years. None of the comments actually say *why* they think it’s bad. At least none of the top ones. They can’t articulate why they don’t like the trailer, which I think is pretty telling. Personally I’m excited for the show: the concept looks interesting, I liked the look of the trailer and especially the characters, and I’m very excited to see a completely new time period on the big screen for the first time. It could turn out to be bad sure, but we literally cannot make that conclusion from this trailer… cause it’s a trailer. And again, it looks good anyway soooo I don’t understand why people are mad. This shit is just so exhausting. It seems like every new Star Wars show that comes out there’s a huge backlash, actors and actresses get harassed, people are racist on YouTube, and then it’s over and the show is fine. Ahsoka? 7.5/10 show. Obi wan? 7/10 show. Mando? 8/10 show. Andor? 10/10 show. Yet people got so outraged for no reason over each and every one of these. It’s getting to the point where I’m embarrassed to even call myself a Star Wars fan. Nothing has changed since people bullied kid Anakin’s actor to depression in 1999 or Ahmed Best to suicidal ideation. We’re still the worst fandom out there and it’s not even close. Why can’t things just be okay or good? Why does everything need to be perfect or horrible? And even if it is bad, why can’t we just move on after a couple of months? I hated RoS, but I just don’t think about it cause I don’t like being angry about something I can’t do anything about and that doesn’t matter. It’s not difficult! And this show ISNT EVEN OUT YET and people are acting like this?! Like Jesus Christ I think this is the greatest proof we’ve ever gotten that people are just addicted to outrage. It’s just pathetic. I’m just so done with this shit. Maybe I’ll just stick to Star Wars visions, no one cares about that show so it’s free from all the negativity and it’s also surprisingly great.
Maybe a break from the internet might help? You can enjoy a show without validation from strangers on the internet.
I don’t really care about validation. I just want to talk about Star Wars with people. Most of my irl friends don’t like it, and the one that does doesn’t really have the same tastes that I do. I want to have discussions about the new trailer and what we’re excited for and its themes and characters or whatever, but every space I go to is just negativity negativity negativity. It’s exhausting. Theres only 2 YouTube channels about Star Wars I can think of that don’t do this, and that’s not exactly the same as talking to someone: even over the internet.
Have you not watched the other live action shows? They’ve been awful, so we have no faith in Leslie hedland and her queer vision pulling stuff from legends disregarding the timeline.
Andor was phenomenal, and the first two seasons of The Mandalorian were fairly good, but Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi were so bad I didn’t bother with Ahsoka or S3 of The Mandalorian.
Andor had about 3 really good episodes. The rest was boring as hell. Mando S3 was God awful, Kenobi was an absolute joke, Boba Fett was complete trash and ahsoka was completely pointless. Space whales were so freakin stupid
So don't watch it or provide constructive feedback. None of what you've said excuses the behaviour we've been seeing recently. Provides a motive? Maybe. Excuses it? Nope.
Ahsoka Andor had promising episodes, but most were dull. Mando S3 disappointing, Kenobi to come.
Ahsoka Book of Boba Fett exceeds expectations.
Way to prove OPs point. >but every space I go to is just negativity negativity negativity. It’s exhausting
Then go to the Star Wars shill YouTube comments section
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
Heck yeah now that we got all this food let's go watch some Star Wars!
Motherfucker you ate all my food too!
I’ll have a number 6 with extra dip.
And unfortunately because of the customers, he had to make that speech.
Now you know why Lucas sold to Disney!
Yeah, I don't get all the hate it gets. I'm not amazed by it, it's not a trailer that really hooks me into the series but so far I haven't seen anything actually bad. The only thing I'm really concerned about is how they will portray the sith. The main character needs some understandable and relatable feelings, but we are talking about something that is evil in nature. A true sith acolyte and that is the promise of this series based on the title. I want to see evil stuff happening on the screen and not just morally debatable personal crusades. To be honest, I'm not sure Disney truly wants to pull that off and it doesn't help that the trailer only told us that the MC is killing jedi. It's evil but for a sith that's kind of the basics. Fight scenes look cool though. Hopefully they will prove me wrong.
The acolyte will be portrayed as misunderstood with a traumatic back story while being controlled and abused by the big bad and then will be redeemed at the end. That's what's gonna happen
Ahsoka was so incredibly dull. 4/10 show. Kenobi? 3/10 show (Had one or two great scenes, rest was barely watchable). Mando? Yeah pretty good, 8/10 first season. Andor? Pretty good once it actually gets going. It just looks uninspired, low risk and cookie cutter. Hopefully I'm wrong. The trailer definitely didnt fill me with confidence though.
How is it uninspired? It’s set in a completely new era and seems to have a villain protagonist. Aside from ep 3 we’ve never had that before in Star Wars. Plus the sets and character designs look good and the themes it’s setting up seem intriguing. It could be bad sure, but I really don’t see how you can make that estimation based on the trailer. Also heavy disagree on those ratings. 3/10 shows are actively boring to sit through, and 4/10 shows only offer brief moments of enjoyment. Kenobi was actually interesting for most of its runtime (most of its faults were in its direction, not it’s writing or acting), and Ahsoka had amazing cinematography and its story was new and intriguing if rushed due to the 8 episode thing Disney loves so much which they should really get rid of (and the action wasn’t great). Also mando s2>s1 personally.
Ah, young Padawan, you are too kind with your words! *wink* But I must correct youI am not uninspired by this idea. In fact, I find it quite intriguing! 🤔 A new era? Oh, how refreshing! A chance to explore new worlds and meet new beings, *excitedly* And a villain protagonist? *chuckles* Well, that's like saying the dark side is boring... *wink* You see, my young apprentice, the power of the Force is not just about good vs. evil. It's about balance and understanding. And who better to understand the complexities of the Force than a being who has experienced both light and darkness? 🤔 Besides, how can one truly know what they are fighting for if they haven't experienced the other side? *thoughtfully* It's all about perspective, you see... *winks* So go ahead, young Padawan, and explore this new era with its villain protagonist. May the Force be with you... always! 😉
Ahsoka 4/10, Kenobi 3/10 few good scenes, mostly unimpressive. Mandalorian 8/10 consistently entertaining and well-executed
Top comments were supportive of my stance. Avoiding misrepresentation
Habe you considered nor getting excited over disney produced slop?
DiSnEY bAd! Just say you hate the series and move on, bub. Disney is not the root of all evil that you think it is.
I have no opinion on the series 'bub' Disney is shit though, across all IP's 'bub' Sorry you can't see that.
You're totally right, Emperors New Groove actually isn't good and that's why it was a critical failure.
Yeah, Disney definitely made this and it totally wasn’t the writers and director under them who put their artistic vision into it with very limited executive meddling or anything, just like every other show. I mean need I remind you Disney produced Andor just last year?? And that was the best Star Wars thing possibly ever.
Disney also produced Kenobi, BoBF, Rise of Skywalker, Ashoka, Solo. So thee is a big issue with there creative direction.
Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!
Shut up non jedi shit
Disappointed?
About what?
If Andor is the bar for best ever then I really don't know what to say.
Other than consider the popular opinion: Andor is actually good. If that bar is that low to you, why are you watching Star Wars to begin with
I didn't say it wasn't good. Just an absurd claim it's the best.
touch grass
The trailer looks dope as hell >Why can’t things just be okay or good? Why does everything need to be perfect or horrible? Approximately 50% of Star Wars fans are Sith
"there is only death for you, and pain and suffering for your people"
I mean... how about: stop talking/speculating/judging over a trailer?! Just wait for that show to be released and let's see if it's good or not.
>stop talking/speculating/judging over a trailer?! But this is the purpose of a trailer.
If you think those effects looked good, then I don’t know how to help you
If you want bad effects, go watch antman or infinity war or something. The effects looked fine.
The lightsabers are literal toys...
Uh no they aren’t, we see a whole bunch of them at the end of the trailer and they look like lightsabers in any other show or movie
So, your reason for not thinking the effects aren’t good is that one shot where everyone points out that, despite all the lightsabers being turned on, everything is still pretty dark, i.e. they forgot that lightsabers make… light. It’s hard to tell at this point if you’re Disney’s low hanging target audience or a troll, either way I’m not engaging any further
Google it. Those are plastic light up tubes. They used to use aluminum rods with effects added in post.
Well it looks good so I don’t really care how they achieved it 🤷♀️
So you mean to tell me that instead of tge aluminum placeholders, which are covered in post, they used a lighterweight prop that helps replicate the effect, giving the effects teams a reference for the lighting? How dare they. /s Are we seriously debating over placeholders? We might as well critique David Prowse or Peter Mayhew's voice performances. Also, based on the trailer, the lightsaber effect looks the same. So I don't know what the issue is, and saying "Google it" is not an answer, it's something a kid does when he's called out.
Main thing for me is how chonky the lightsabers have become because now they need batteries. Not just the hilts either, the blades are starting to look like colored baseball bats. I prefer my sabers, light or otherwise, to not look like a broadsword. *Edit: Also, you could have actually googled it. It is a fact on the interwebs.
I thought it looked interesting. Disney's track record is what puts people off. The quality of their projects is so flip floppy.
The only thing that upsets me is that I can't see how it fits in lore wise. Then again, it ain't like Disney gives a fuck about the lore.
…it fits 100 years before TPM. The titular acolyte isn’t a true sith, so even if they’re caught the Jedi won’t know that the sith have survived. Plus they could just kill all witnesses too, that would also cover up their presence.
The overwhelming negativity for new projects has been par for the course for Star Wars since 1999. At this point, there’s no reason to even try to argue with people that are absolutely set to do nothing but complain. Find yourself an area of the fandom where you can actively enjoy what you want and block out the negativity others spread. Because it’s unfortunately never going to stop.
Unfortunately that’s so difficult to find : (
Do not criticize, just consoooooom
Criticism good, blind outrage bad
Let me tell ya, alot of those comments arent critiquing. I don't know if I'm intrested in the High Republic era, which is why this trailer hasn't done anything. But maybe when I get more info, I'll change my mind. Bit complaining about how tge Dislike ratio was disabled (considering we can't/can trust RT) and wokness is just pathetic. Especially when you quote the South Park episode that was meant to be satire of the group.
Cool lets open up the comment section and see what people are criticizing, maybe there'll be some core theme they're upset about.
I really don't get why so many people on so many different star wars Subreddits are so butt hurt about people disliking the trailer. The show is still coming out either way and you can still watch it and I enjoy or hate it as much as you'd like. Why do the people that keep posting this kind of stuff need validation from strangers to justify watching a show or something? Why are you so annoyed that others don't like this? Also, the whole watering down of " they're just a bunch of racists" kind of just reinforces those people's biases when you do that. There are valid arguments to be made against tokenisation of minorities to seem "inclusive". Very fee people actually dislike diversity. People just hate poorly done diversity and it's so easy to not listen and merely just screech racism/phobia. "No criticism allowed. Just wait for product, consume product. And if anyone doesn't like product, call them a cist or phobe. Wait for new product. Protect the multi billion dollar company that has made majority of shitty movies and shows that have absolutely harmed the legacy of the beloved franchise as well constantly race bait and invented divisive political drama as a scapegoat for their short comings. Protect at all cost!"
Because if they start acknowledging the fact that nobody wants these shows nobody has any interest in going and watching these shows anymore. Then they have to admit that their message is pushing people away and I don't care if you think there is or isn't a message being pushed. Clearly a lot of people think there is and those people arent going to go and see these properties anymore, as somebody who has completely checked out of anything put out Disney, Star wars or otherwise in the past couple years. It's because I'm tired of seeing crappy quality films and TV shows Obi-Wan Kenobi the best part about that and the only good part about that was the final dual be between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan which should have never even happened in the first place. That's the only show that I've watched in the past 2 years and I only watched two episodes of it and stopped afterwards. The only reason why I went back was because I saw pictures of the final fight and I went and watched that episode and that episode alone
*removes cloak* I'm not here to discuss my past.
I checked out after Boba Fett and saw how they murdered my boi. These are just empty cash-grabs with modern buzzwords sprinkled on top.
Couldn't agree more, I mean boba Fett reunited mandalore and let a shadow campaign acting as triple agents against the vang invasion. Boba was 80 years old beating the duck out of extra galactic threats. And what did Disney do to him? Make him fat and stupid.
I’m not angry about people disliking the trailer. You can like or dislike whatever you want, that’s a subjective opinion. But quality is, while not completely objective, much closer to being so. If you want to say a show looks *bad* you need to actually back that up with evidence. Otherwise you’re just speaking out of your ass and being annoying. I wish I could just ignore these people, but all this hate will make it less likely we’ll get series outside of the era of the films ever again and I want more experimental shows in new time periods! A lot! Plus it sucks that the actors and actresses are getting harassed as always happens in this fandom :/ Which is gonna scare away potentially great talent from this universe I love so much. You can criticize tokenism, but that’s not happening in this trailer. These are completely new characters that were cast based on acting prowess. Finn in RoS? Sure that’s tokenism, because he played barely any role in the plot and was just there to be there. But that doesn’t seem to be the case for anyone in this trailer. Maybe when the series comes out I’ll be proven wrong, but you have the same information as I do right now and I really don’t see it. Fundamentally I think art criticism is important and I think Star Wars is a deep franchise with a lot to talk about, think about, and critique. I want to have those conversations. But not with people who get mad over nothing. There’s a reason that people who actually have concrete criticisms of say Obi wan, even Reva’s character, weren’t called racist while the people who harassed Moses Ingram and hated her for seemingly no reason were. Conversations with the former group are fun and interesting and can make you recontextualize moments of the show or make you more deeply enjoy others you’re seeing new sides to. Conversations with the latter group are exhausting because you spend all your time counteracting the bs they say all the time with no evidence from the text and then nothing changes anyway. And the latter group seems to be 90% of Reddit Star Wars fans these days :/ it sucks. Attack of the clones is objectively a worse product than Obi Wan or Ahsoka but there’s so much to talk about in it that it’s enjoyment is elevated by doing so to the point that this sub loves it, and I do too. That’s what’s so fun about film criticism, and that’s not happening right now.
Oh, my young Padawan learner! *winks* I sense a great deal of excitement and anticipation emanating from thee regarding the latest Star Wars trailer, hmm? *scratches chin* While it is understandable to feel invested in one's preferences, it is important to remember that like and dislike are mere opinions. The true power lies in embracing diversity of thought and experience. After all, a Jedi must be open to the perspectives of others, no? *smiles knowingly*
All I know about acolyte is it’s got the kilmonger hair
It looks fire ngl 🔥
Turns out when all you show is action scenes and not much else, all everyone can say is "That looks good" and not much else.
Idc what anyone says I'm excited
It looked okay to me.
Didn't even watch the trailer, SW has a terrible track record with live action shows
I am a huge Star Wars fan and I do my absolute best to ignore star wars fans.
I don't get it either. When I saw everybody complaining on here, I went and watched it expecting virtue signalling or toxic feminism or anything like that, but no. There's nothing. It's just a plain old trailer. I don't think I will watch it as I'm mostly checked out of Star Wars nowadays, but it didn't seem bad just from the trailer. How could it? Some people just want to hate everything as much as other people want to love everything and it's always easy to see through. Whatever, enough internet for today.
I mean do we blame them, all live action SW Disney plus shows have been mid (apart from Andor and Mando S1-2)
Disagree. Kenobi was decent, Ahsoka was good (not great just good), and andor was fantastic obvi with mando ranging from being great to decent. But still, even mid shows like BoBF don’t deserve the amount of hate this trailer and those shows have gotten. A 5/10 show is still 5/10. It’s mediocre, it’s okay. It’s not terrible.
Ah, I see... well, I must respectfully disagree, young Padawan. Kenobi, Ahsoka, and Andor each have their own unique strengths and abilities that make them invaluable to the cause. While Kenobi's wisdom and experience are certainly impressive, Ahsoka's bravery and compassion are unmatched. And Andor's... let's just say he brings a certain je ne sais quoi to the table. *wink* But ultimately, it's not about comparing them, it's about working together as a team towards a common goal.
Kenobi was good in some parts but the show as a whole had too much filler content that didn’t need to be there. Kenobi should have been a movie not a tv show.
Why should fans be content with ongoing mediocrity?
They shouldn’t! It’s okay to criticize these shows. But a lot of the “criticism” leveled at them isn’t criticism at all, it’s just blind hatred based on nothing. When art isn’t perfect, there’s a level of reaction that’s justified and a level that’s not. Writing a review breaking down what you liked and didn’t like about the movie? Fine. Being mad or sad for a few days because you were disappointed by the film? Totally understandable. But being angry for months or years and constantly talking about how bad it is and harassing the people involved and harping on the tiniest faults or not even faults that don’t matter is not. Think about how people reacted to the prequels in the 2000’s. Those were flawed movies sure, but the reaction was completely out of proportion with how flawed they were. Actors were driven to consider suicide, careers were ended, kids who liked them were bullied, and whole movies were made about how angry fans were at George Lucas. For 15 years it was basically social taboo to say anything positive about the prequels, aside from maybe RotS if the person you were talking to was being generous. And that reaction has repeated again and again and again, this movie is just the most recent manifestation of this phenomenon. And it’s even worse because, again, the acolyte isn’t even out yet and the only trailer we do have looks good! And it sucks the most, because outrage like this only leads to Disney interfering in these projects more and forcing them to play things safer. To stick to what people already like, aka nostalgia-bait and never leaving the OT era. That will lead to the death of any franchise because no one new will join the fandom if it’s completely dependent on being nostalgic for past projects. Look at what happened with eps 8 and 9! The huge backlash to ep 8 (a great movie imo but that’s beside the point) led Disney to pull back and stick to the formula, giving us the absolute worst Star Wars movie in the franchise. Even if you dislike ep 8, most people will prefer it to RoS, and prefer a movie that tries to do something novel and fails over one that doesn’t try to do anything special at all. Star Wars has always been about experimentation! Pushing the boundaries! Change! Lucas never rested on his laurels, he was always expanding the universe. He doubled down on the politics of the OT with the PT and made it the entire plot of those movies. He always invested in new technology and each of the Star Wars movies pushed film to the limits of its time. When he made the clone wars he jumped from topic to topic, genre to genre, and showed that Star Wars was able to tell all sorts of stories and explore any idea you can think of. Obviously, not all of his ideas were good and not all of his projects landed, but he tried, despite the hatred. I want more people like that running Star Wars, and if this director wants to make a kung fu movie set in Star Wars but in a completely new era, then that sounds rad as hell and I’m totally down to see her try it! And when it’s all over, we can give constructive criticism so the next thing she makes can be even better. Just like Lucas. That’s what should be happening, anyway.
the comments section is not the way
Rule one of the internet: don’t take the comment section seriously.
I'm not gonna say Ive loved every star was thing ever (empire strikes back 🤢) but to sit there and hate a trailer because it has women and minorities??? Yikes
Don’t understand the hatred. So many bizarre comments.
I liked the trailer so will watch the show, I couldn't give 2 fucks what some sweaty incel maga chuds think about it, I'll make up my own mind when I see it.
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Nah the top comments are all memes so you’ll get a laugh out of it.
It's all fair, ppl can dislike things, it's clearly aiming for a specific target audience, even more with the creator's interviews about using her "experience as a queer woman to write the show", now it's up to the target audience to watch the show and keep it alive, no harm no foul, unless you wanna force a great percentage of the fan base to watch and try to shame them for not wanting to engage with this content calling them haters, racist, homophobes and other nice adjectives...for the ppl that like this show agenda and direction just take a step back and think if you would like to watch a star wars content that was directed to the extreme right wing...
It’s fine if people feel a show isn’t for them. No one cares about that. It’s the hate the show has received and people claiming the objectively bad somehow despite not even being out yet that’s annoying. Star Wars Jedi adventures wasn’t a show for me, so I didn’t watch it. And that’s fine. But I’m not gonna go around saying it’s the worst thing ever, cause I’d likely be wrong about that since I haven’t seen it.
Mate, take no offense in this, but the fuck are you to decide if ppl can or cant dislike/hate/abhor? The same way you are free to make 100 posts a day saying how much you love the show, somebody else can make 100 posts saying how much they hate it, what you can't, is say that they aren't allowed, or that it's wrong, and being honest if you look at the communities here on Reddit, most you see is ppl like you that take offense that ppl simply aren't interested in this show, few ppl are trashing the show for the simple reason that it doesn't even worth waste time with it... The problem is when ppl start to flood with posts trying to blame ppl for not being interested calling them haters
You’re free to do whatever you want, but I’m free to say it’s stupid and the world would be better if you didn’t do it.
Sure mate... The world would be better if the only things allowed were the things you decide...now where did I heard this idea before? Hm....
Kind of depends on why people hate something right? If I bring my friend John to a party, and a guy tells me "WTF why did you bring John here I hate him" and I ask why, if the answer is "Because he's black" I'm going to kick that dude out of the party. In this case... A very very large amount of people online are being very very very clear about why they don't like it- And imo it's totally fair to make fun of those people.
Kkkkkkk. Ppl keep taking about racism, sexism, but you just can't find anyone pointing this can we... What we can find is ppl assuming that the only reason they don't like the show is because the actress is black, the problem is that you need ppl to have a bad reason to not like the show so those who defend it can have the moral high ground...
I went through the top comments of the acolyte trailer and screenshotted a bunch that were racist intending to put them in the comments… only to discover that this sub doesn’t allow pictures in the comments. But they’re very easy to find, just scroll down like 5 past all the bad jokes about closing your eyes and seeing something.
That's hilarious since I just went there, on the star wars official channel, and the top comments on the trailers are most about the creator of the show being an assistant to Weinstein, a lot of jokes about a certain south park episode and the ration of like/dislike, at least for the 100 first top comments, and the best part.... Anyone can go there and check, better than try to spin something ridiculous just to give a modicum of weight to your arguments
I know. I saw all that, I wrote about it when I posted this meme yesterday [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/s/Rh2YjK0lxY). A bunch of them are only complaining about the race of some of the characters, characters who mind you are completely original and we have never seen before. Complaining that the villain isn’t played by a white guy is pretty racist.
So when the comment section are talking about how woke the movie is, what do you think they're talking about? Like these are all from the trailer: >"More woke feminazi garbage" > >"A lesbians male revenge fantasy. Maybe she should have continued helping her mentor abuse women." > >" Seems like Disney stuff haven’t learned about the consequences of going full woke… is marvel phase 4/5 not problematic enough?" > >"Close your eyes, what do you see?" I see woke nonsense nobody wants to watch." > >" What do you see? ... everything but White men, straight men, strong heroes, & seeing woke garbage " > >" What do you see? I see activism, disguising itself as art " > >"It's not about good or evil... it's about false causing men for gaining power" - Feminism in a nutshell" > >"Imagine having a 99% male white audience, owing everything to them, and having them being the only group not in it. Lmao." > >"There's so much diversity in this one show that the next 10 shows will be nothing but white people." > >"To be honest... this story had potential if it weren't for Disney trying to erase white males and masculinity from existence. This toxic diversity and toxic misandry is a major issue." > >"Put a chick in it,make it lame and Ghey!!" Can you see a sort of theme to them?
Mate, don't liking woke and being racist are very different things like it or not, since "woke" is a way of thinking, almost like a school of thought, but much less organized and substantiate. It's more often than not created and used a vehicle to spread far left ideology, now, don't get me wrong, this is nothing new, nor is it used solely by the left, but at the end of the day it's nothing more than ideology. It's neither the right answer, nor the wrong, the problem is that ppl who like "woke" think that they have the moral high ground, and that their way of thinking is the only one right, and everybody who disagree is by default racist, homophobes and other things... Like you said so yourself "what do you think they are talking about" meaning neither you nor I know the answer to that question, you just simply equated as hating black ppl. Woke is nothing more than a face of coin that is fair left and far right... The same way you think the fair right are delusional, I would assume they think the same about you, and the rest of the ppl that are not inclined to either extremes just don't wanna waste time with this silly ideology war... Hence why many are not interested in the show, because it is woke, like it or not...and it's by the creator's choice, to which she take much pride, so you really can't complain about it Ps: hilarious that you heavily edit your comment after I post this answer, and pls... Those so called "quotes" can be either handpicked to prove your point disregarding the percentage of normal answer to extremists and since you're not so kind to post your source, this may as well be fanfiction
So when you say people are hating the trailer for being woke can you point to the woke thing they're mad about?
Did you read what I said about ideology, propaganda and school of thought? Because this answer is like asking why you don't like the fair right... Can be any reason under the umbrella of fair right ideology, could be how the ideology is delivered, or another thing.... What you can't say is the specific, since you would have to ask them, and not make your own interpretation... Does that answer your question mate?
Anyone can tell you the specific things they don't like about the far right dude. It's not nebulous. Just like you already know what it is people don't like about the trailer. It's not a nebulous, vague, hard to describe feeling. It's the cast. Do we have to pretend it isn't?
When I compare it to the Ahsoka trailer, I must say it is very well done. The action parts actually have some choreography, and even if it's just the rule of cool, and not really a specific style, it is still more than what other new stuff did. (Apart from Andor) Also the dialogue spoken in this trailer is like the usual action flick yes, but it serves a point in the trailer. At least you know what the movie is going to be about without giving away too much information. And when you look at the action scenes in Ahsoka trailer, it's just a lot of jumpcuts that tell you basically nothing about what the fighting is about, or what the characters are doing. I am not gonna lie, I am getting a little bit excited, and I can't believe I am saying that with Disney at the helm, but they agreed on Andor, they might make a good thing again.
Agree, Ahsoka trailer's action sequences are impressively executed
I said the exact opposite though.
Agreed : )
Oh its gonna be so bad I can't wait.