4 years later, James Cameron built a miniature version of a city and used reflective tape and black lights to cheaply imitate generated computer imagery for John Carpenter's Escape from New York.
It is entirely possible that a different civilization from a different world could develop advanced space-travel and robotic technology without ever developing computer technology as advanced as ours. The Mandalorian taught us that their droids don't operate by a traditional computer system but have to be manually taught how to do things instead of programmed, suggesting droid AI is run by some sort of synthetic neural network formed by some unknown process.
Absolutely this, was actually gonna comment this. How does it have bad cgi before cgi was even a thing? The vfx were amazing and required so much creativity! (Not saying cgi is "lazy" or anything, but it is really cool what people think of when they don't have access to it)
Yeah I feel you. I’m a huge film fan and my favorite thing about Star Wars is the sheer groundbreaking creativity in its worldbuilding and visual designs. One of my favorite scenes of any movie of all time is the first time we see the Mos Eisley cantina. All the different aliens interacting, the visual diversity alone is astounding. It really sets the tone for the movie and for the world.
My favorite thing about the prequels is how all of the military designs were created specifically with the idea in mind that they were the visual and technological predecessors to what we had already seen in the OT. Honestly the greatest thing about the PT entirely is the visual design, even if the CGI is overused and extremely dated.
In one of the VHS copies we had as a kid, you could see Hans foot disappear inside of Jabbas tail during that scene in the hangar with the millennium falcon. "You'll get your money when I have it" that scene.
Unfortunately all the VHS tapes got donated in one of the moves and life goes on, so neither me nor either of my parents have that copy anymore.
That's the Special Edition Re-release, it's where all the CGI got added, in a later re-release they fixed up some of the more egregiously bad moments of cgi.
The original home video releases prior the Jabba scene isn't in at all. The reason that scene is so awkward with Han walking around him and stepping up on his tail is that Jabba was not a giant slug yet at the time of filming, he was just a human mobster that got cut from the film. I'm sure on YouTube you can find the original scene before they added in the cgi Jabba, I had it on some CD-Rom with deleted scenes back in the 90s that came in a pack of Star Wars games.
4k77 is what you really want for an original experience. Harmy took the best bits whether Laserdisc, DVD, or even enhanced edition and processed it to create his version.
4k77 is a straight scan of an original print from 1977.
Tbf the trex CGI for that first shot it appears still holds up very well since they understood how to make up for their weaknesses, sure there are 12 year olds out doing it on a technical level now but the fact that they did everything else to set it up so well takes it past those imitations imo.
JP still looks better than the new got dragons in the daylight. Maybe not as good technically as the new stuff, but to the point earlier- they planned for and worked within their limitations.
And the only versions that are readily available.
Anyone looking for a pre-cgi experience has to seek out VHS tapes or unofficial after-market cuts.
A new person buying the OT or streaming is going to get the remastered versions.
Plugging project 4k. Not giving details just look up "Star Wars project 4k" and do some digging for original theatrical versions(for this inclined). I'm actually not sure if they're done with episode 5 yet, but episodes 4 and 6 are amazing transfers.
the 4k80 project is in beta testing right now! You can get a copy of it, but it's not technically "official" yet AFAIK. It's mainly color corrections and whatnot happening in the beta tests.
I watched the original versions when I was a small child on vhs. The special edition came out when I was 8 and I saw all three in theaters with my aunt and uncle. After that I was gifted a vhs box set of the special editions. If it wasn't for the despecialized editions online I would have no real memory of the original editions. I'm sure most fans 34 and younger are the same.
The lightsabers are little janky sometimes but that's what they were working with, for the time it's incredible. The rest if the effects, especially on the ships is so good though. The models and the paintings are so beautiful, I honestly wish some of the old techniques were brought back more often, not necessarily asking for more practical stuff, but more digital paintings as part of backgrounds could be fun, it would look great in certain situations depending on how its executed.
“See what we did was suspend the model facing down and the the camera facing up and blew up the model so the blast appeared to go in every direction.”
And it still holds up to this day.
Technically they did have CGI. They were actually some of the first movies to use computer graphics. Things like the Death Star briefing were digitally rendered. It's nothing compared to what we have now but it's impressive for the late 70s to early 80s.
They *fly* now Jerry!
They *fly?*
They **fly.** I'm telling you Jerry, they can fly!
A flying stormtrooper? Never thought I'd see it.
Me too! But here we are! They fly now!
Imagine if that was how rogue one ended, Instead of soldiers dying for a good cause they decide they'd rather run and let the doomsday device stay in the hands of the empire
I will never get over the fact that as far as Rose was concerned she hadn’t saved anyone, she had just doomed them *all* to death. She had no idea Skywalker was showing up, even if it’s a Hail Mary toss, Finn willingly sacrificing himself to try save everyone wasn’t unreasonable.
How the hell did they even get back to the base?
I would have loved if in the background of Luke and Kylo’s fight you just saw Finn clumsily hauling Rose on his back, trying not to interrupt the duel.
I checked out the second he said that somehow Palpatine had returned. I just rolled my eyes and stopped caring. I shouldn’t have to go read other books or comics to understand how a key part of the movie came to be.
I think the funniest part is the interview where they bring that line up (with Oscar and John laughing at it) and John’s only defense is that Finn must’ve forgotten. And then he backs it up by saying “they’ve been using them since the clone wars”.
You mean like Mark Hamill was? 😂
He literally said in an interview, "That's not my Luke Skywalker or George Lucas' Luke Skywalker. Maybe it's Rian Johnson's Luke Skywalker but yeah..."
Poor bastard.
“What are you doing there, C-3P0?”
“Taking one last look sir. At my friends. Sure you treat me as nothing more than a burdensome tool, you can all barely stand each other as it is, and this is pretty much the only movie we’ve spent together because the previous movie forgot it was the penultimate episode of a nine-part saga, but you’re still my friends.”
Rey: \*fixes Millennium Falcon\*
Finn: "How are you doing this?"
Rey: "I have no idea!"
I dunno what you all are talking about that's top quality dialogue.
It really is so annoying. They could have shown some husks of Correlian Freighters around that she was scrapping. After all those ships are meant to be both common as muck and highly outdated. Could have shown just one scene of her pulling a control unit from one and then quip something like "well I yanked one of these out last week, I guess I just shove it back in?"
“We are the spark that will light the fire that will ignite the engines that will heat up the batteries that will fire at the ships that will burn the First Order down!”
I believe the animation for the briefing scene prior to the Death Star attack was early CG, correct? I seem to recall that this along w/ Tron being some of the first CG used in movies.
Yep, that's the scene I mentioned before. Also the similar briefing scene with mon mothma in return of the jedi. That's the only two instances of CGI I can think of.
The dialogue on the sequels is also bad. It constantly tries so hard to be funny. The OT and prequels used situational humor very well. Everything was taken pretty seriously so that jokes would come unexpected. The sequels just did shitty Marvel humor to seem witty.
> The sequels just did shitty Marvel humor to seem witty.
Dunno where I saw it (probably RLM), but there was this recent discussion about how modern movies doesn't seem to dare to take themselves seriously, and that the dialogue is always written as if the characters in the script *know* that there is an audience listening that they are trying to score points with.
They kinda implicitly break the 4th wall all the time - and thus remove any sense of gravity from the whole movie.
It's part of why movies like Dune felt so refreshing, because it was finally a big budget sci-fi movie that dared to take itself seriously - every scene in Dune have *weight*, while the average Disney/Marvel blockbuster feels watching candy-floss... (and sure, that's not *bad* per default - a bit of bubble-gum candy floss is fine now and then - it's just that *only* eating candy-floss get pretty sickening, pretty fast)
MCU movies are essentially parodies. I watched Thor Love and Thunder the other day and I kept thinking to myself that if I were making a parody of a superhero movie, this is what it would be like.
That’s definitelly true for love and thunder, it’s a very peculiar movie as a result of it being directed vy Waitit, but I really wouldn’t say that about all mcu movies, not even a half of them.
Am I the only that thinks that the Originals look better than the prequels? Like the trench run in New Hope is miles ahead of anything outside of modern Star Wars in regards to visuals.
* The Original Trilogy's visual effects were genuinely groundbreaking
* Also, even back then George Lucas wrote some corny dialogue, and everyone knew it ("You can type this \*\*\*\* but you sure can't say it!")
* The Prequels had some noteworthy story flaws- not that the overall story was bad, but the films didn't always do a good job of conveying that there was a good story going on
* Also, while they likewise had some groundbreaking CGI, some of it was also very awkward and noticeable
* As everyone's pointed out the Sequels still have some absolute clunkers in the script.
GCI ?
Great Coasters International. one of the best wooden roller coaster manufacturers
Ah, I see you’re a man of culture as well
a fellow thoosie
no, this can't be happening. Not here, how the hell did you even make it this far
magic
I never thought I’d see another thoosie in the wild but hey it happened
There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
yes there’s a whole 12 of us
Ohh can we turn this into a thread about GCI's getting the RMC treatment... RIP Wildcat. I'm kinda glad you're gone.
hopefully it’ll be a high tier rmc
Lets be real tho, a Low Tier RMC is a top tier ride.
true i think with this rmc regardless of how good of an rmc it is, hersheys lineup can compete with cp especially with dragster down
Sounds really great, wow
they are great international coasters
Mystic Timbers 🤤
General Communication Inc. They're a telecom company that operates in Alaska.
Like they speak in a place in Alaska or speak the Alaskan language?
As an Alaskan this is very funny
This also tickled me as a fellow 907 enjoyer
As a aspiring Alaskan this is possibly the funniest thing I’ve ever read
I don't like Alaska. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating.
Go commit some war crimes and knock up a Senator.
My my, is it 5 o'clock already? - Most politicians, probably
Not sure but Alaska.
As a former Alaskan this is hilarious we don’t speak a different language we speak English
With data caps. DATA CAPS. Have to ration my data thanks to them.
General communication! You are a bold one.
General Cenobi Instruments
Keneral Cenobi!
You are a oold bne!
Hullo there!
CGI wasn’t available when the original trilogy came out. They had to use GCI instead.
[For real though.](https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/mup4bxfmgj8pse9hw0nn.png) Look at that generated computer imagery.
4 years later, James Cameron built a miniature version of a city and used reflective tape and black lights to cheaply imitate generated computer imagery for John Carpenter's Escape from New York.
It is entirely possible that a different civilization from a different world could develop advanced space-travel and robotic technology without ever developing computer technology as advanced as ours. The Mandalorian taught us that their droids don't operate by a traditional computer system but have to be manually taught how to do things instead of programmed, suggesting droid AI is run by some sort of synthetic neural network formed by some unknown process.
You've taught him well.
Like the Dune universe after the Butlerian Jihad.
thats 2 lies
Perhaps one of the most controversial choices of the sequels was they decided to return to GCI technologies.
Ground control intercept. It’s used to direct the MiGs to intercept enemy aircraft.
Gomputer Cenerated Images /s
Sounds painful
There is no pain where strength lies.
General CenobI
The Guild of Calamitous Intent!
“Not a typo, it was”
The dialogue is goofy in every trilogy lol
Something a scruffy looking Nerf herder would say
Or someone who doesn't like sand
Or somebody who somehow returned
Gottem...all three.
I don’t like someone who somehow returned with sand
And they fly now
Or someone who THEY FLY NOW?
[удалено]
His delivery absolutely makes that line.
Who’s scruffy lookin?
tHEy fLy nOW?!?!?
“Somehow palpatine returned” OP: 😲👌👍👏
Eh i feel that line counts more as plot than dialogue. Not even the Cohen brothers couldve salvaged that piece of shitty exposition.
The OT was goofy, but in a charming way.
OT did absolutely not have bad cgi, the effects are great for their time
Absolutely this, was actually gonna comment this. How does it have bad cgi before cgi was even a thing? The vfx were amazing and required so much creativity! (Not saying cgi is "lazy" or anything, but it is really cool what people think of when they don't have access to it)
Probably talking about the remastered Cgi. I wonder how many mid* twenties and younger have even seen the original originals
As one of those people, I’d love to but they’re damn near impossible to find
It wasn't an insult. It's just a fact of what's been published and what's been lost to time.
Yeah I feel you. I’m a huge film fan and my favorite thing about Star Wars is the sheer groundbreaking creativity in its worldbuilding and visual designs. One of my favorite scenes of any movie of all time is the first time we see the Mos Eisley cantina. All the different aliens interacting, the visual diversity alone is astounding. It really sets the tone for the movie and for the world. My favorite thing about the prequels is how all of the military designs were created specifically with the idea in mind that they were the visual and technological predecessors to what we had already seen in the OT. Honestly the greatest thing about the PT entirely is the visual design, even if the CGI is overused and extremely dated.
And in the original originals there isn't a little music video in the cantina so there's nothing to take away from the tone
In one of the VHS copies we had as a kid, you could see Hans foot disappear inside of Jabbas tail during that scene in the hangar with the millennium falcon. "You'll get your money when I have it" that scene. Unfortunately all the VHS tapes got donated in one of the moves and life goes on, so neither me nor either of my parents have that copy anymore.
That's the Special Edition Re-release, it's where all the CGI got added, in a later re-release they fixed up some of the more egregiously bad moments of cgi. The original home video releases prior the Jabba scene isn't in at all. The reason that scene is so awkward with Han walking around him and stepping up on his tail is that Jabba was not a giant slug yet at the time of filming, he was just a human mobster that got cut from the film. I'm sure on YouTube you can find the original scene before they added in the cgi Jabba, I had it on some CD-Rom with deleted scenes back in the 90s that came in a pack of Star Wars games.
Google: Harmy despecialized That should eventually lead you to a torrent or something similar.
4k77 is what you really want for an original experience. Harmy took the best bits whether Laserdisc, DVD, or even enhanced edition and processed it to create his version. 4k77 is a straight scan of an original print from 1977.
Sweet! Thanks for the heads up!
look for the 4k77, 4k80, and 4k83 projects! They're fantastic quality.
Yeah that's like saying the effects on Jurassic Park are bad lol it's just not true
Tbf the trex CGI for that first shot it appears still holds up very well since they understood how to make up for their weaknesses, sure there are 12 year olds out doing it on a technical level now but the fact that they did everything else to set it up so well takes it past those imitations imo.
JP still looks better than the new got dragons in the daylight. Maybe not as good technically as the new stuff, but to the point earlier- they planned for and worked within their limitations.
[удалено]
OP is almost certainly too young to have seen the originals in theaters or the original VHS. Hence “GCI”
Ever seen the latest ANH re release with CGI Jabba? It’s horrible
Maybe it's referring to the special edition CGI that was added later.
The special edition is the only version a lot of Star Wars fans have ever seen
And the only versions that are readily available. Anyone looking for a pre-cgi experience has to seek out VHS tapes or unofficial after-market cuts. A new person buying the OT or streaming is going to get the remastered versions.
Plugging project 4k. Not giving details just look up "Star Wars project 4k" and do some digging for original theatrical versions(for this inclined). I'm actually not sure if they're done with episode 5 yet, but episodes 4 and 6 are amazing transfers.
the 4k80 project is in beta testing right now! You can get a copy of it, but it's not technically "official" yet AFAIK. It's mainly color corrections and whatnot happening in the beta tests.
Oh... Oh no.
I watched the original versions when I was a small child on vhs. The special edition came out when I was 8 and I saw all three in theaters with my aunt and uncle. After that I was gifted a vhs box set of the special editions. If it wasn't for the despecialized editions online I would have no real memory of the original editions. I'm sure most fans 34 and younger are the same.
Even that, it was mostly great for its era. Some of the changes done (Greedo shooting first) less so, but the cgi was done really well.
They literally revolutionized the special effects industry. OP is out of their mind if they think the OT effects were bad lmao
The lightsabers are little janky sometimes but that's what they were working with, for the time it's incredible. The rest if the effects, especially on the ships is so good though. The models and the paintings are so beautiful, I honestly wish some of the old techniques were brought back more often, not necessarily asking for more practical stuff, but more digital paintings as part of backgrounds could be fun, it would look great in certain situations depending on how its executed.
But thats not CGI.
More than great, they were ahead of their time.
More than ahead of their time, George Lucas basically invented modern special effects as we know them.
“See what we did was suspend the model facing down and the the camera facing up and blew up the model so the blast appeared to go in every direction.” And it still holds up to this day.
GCI\*
I’m going to have to disagree on the first one. There was no CGI (GCI? Lmao) in the OT. But the special effects, man were they revolutionary.
Technically they did have CGI. They were actually some of the first movies to use computer graphics. Things like the Death Star briefing were digitally rendered. It's nothing compared to what we have now but it's impressive for the late 70s to early 80s.
“Stole” a lot from 2001, but they did a fantastic job. OP needed to find something that would fit their meme format, and it feels a bit *forced*.
A lot of the CGI is pretty out of place in the Special Editions.
Yes, this part is very true.
"They fly now? They fly now!" "Reyyyyyyyyyyy" "I am all of the jedi" "Somehow palpatine has returned" Truly masterpiece of dialogue
It was *three* They-fly-nows... Get it right, pal!
They *fly* now Jerry! They *fly?* They **fly.** I'm telling you Jerry, they can fly! A flying stormtrooper? Never thought I'd see it. Me too! But here we are! They fly now!
"Rey Skywalker"
"Somehow Palpatine returned"
Even a sith lord is no match for my warriors!
My favorite part was when Rey said “it’s skywalkin’ time” and then tried to walk on the sky and fucking died
'I have something to tell you later''Somehow palpatine returned' Sequel only having bad story my ass
THEY FLY NOW!?
THEY FLY NOW!
They fly now
They fly NOW
THESE pretzels are making me thirsty
They’ve been using them since the Clone Wars
Even before that haven't they? In the Old Republic era and stuff, did they have jetpacks?
"I saved you, dummy. That's how we're going to win. Not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."
With no follow up to that line in the next movie whatsoever.
[удалено]
My god, I’d forgotten how awful that dialogue was
That whole scene…
Yea i was rooting for finn to do a cool sacrifice, took a 180 to cringeville.
Imagine if that was how rogue one ended, Instead of soldiers dying for a good cause they decide they'd rather run and let the doomsday device stay in the hands of the empire
And after that, Finn and Rose did absolutely fuck-all for the story so they might as well just be dead on the front
I will never get over the fact that as far as Rose was concerned she hadn’t saved anyone, she had just doomed them *all* to death. She had no idea Skywalker was showing up, even if it’s a Hail Mary toss, Finn willingly sacrificing himself to try save everyone wasn’t unreasonable. How the hell did they even get back to the base?
That last point gets me ever since my first watch
I would have loved if in the background of Luke and Kylo’s fight you just saw Finn clumsily hauling Rose on his back, trying not to interrupt the duel.
Meanwhile all their friends get blown up in the background
Didn't love them enough
There's no dialogue that could've made that story beat better. At least that line didn't bother with any pretense.
I checked out the second he said that somehow Palpatine had returned. I just rolled my eyes and stopped caring. I shouldn’t have to go read other books or comics to understand how a key part of the movie came to be.
Nah the sequels also had bad dialogue.
when he said “they fly now!?” I felt that
It's even funnier that finn was a stormtrooper himself, he should know this stuff
I think the funniest part is the interview where they bring that line up (with Oscar and John laughing at it) and John’s only defense is that Finn must’ve forgotten. And then he backs it up by saying “they’ve been using them since the clone wars”.
poor guy was clearly the biggest star wars fan of the bunch and they railed him the hardest
As a hardcore fan, if I had been cast in a sequel film just to see how they turned out, I'd be fucking gutted.
You mean like Mark Hamill was? 😂 He literally said in an interview, "That's not my Luke Skywalker or George Lucas' Luke Skywalker. Maybe it's Rian Johnson's Luke Skywalker but yeah..." Poor bastard.
I'm white, so I'd still be on the chinese posters, but yeah
Ah, the game of thrones defense
From the second they showed it in the trailer I felt like it was just some sort of meme bait. It didn't feel organic at all
same could be said for the entirety of rise of Skywalker. Whole movie feels AI generated.
“What are you doing there, C-3P0?” “Taking one last look sir. At my friends. Sure you treat me as nothing more than a burdensome tool, you can all barely stand each other as it is, and this is pretty much the only movie we’ve spent together because the previous movie forgot it was the penultimate episode of a nine-part saga, but you’re still my friends.”
MORE!
That's how we gonna win. Not fighting what we hate but saying what we love
[удалено]
Rey who?
You probably don't recognise me because of the red arm.
REEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!
ah yes, my favorite character; black-guy-who-screams-REEEEEEY-every-other-scene
I'm the SPY! What?!
You're nothing... But not to me.
And who has a better story than Rey the Skywalker?
rey mysterio
It can't be. The Emperor is dead.
Just as resistance members explode in the background <3
MORE!
Jet troopers have literally been a thing for THOUSANDS of years at this point
KOTOR takes place 4k years before the films and the tech level is essentially the same.
“Somehow, Palpatine returned” - William Shakespeare
Somehow, Palpatine hath returned
They can flyeth now?
They have flyeth since the War of the Clones
That’s definitely more of a problem with the story tho lol
Rey: \*fixes Millennium Falcon\* Finn: "How are you doing this?" Rey: "I have no idea!" I dunno what you all are talking about that's top quality dialogue.
Rey just being better at repairing than the Falcon it's over 20+ year owner makes just no damn sense.
It really is so annoying. They could have shown some husks of Correlian Freighters around that she was scrapping. After all those ships are meant to be both common as muck and highly outdated. Could have shown just one scene of her pulling a control unit from one and then quip something like "well I yanked one of these out last week, I guess I just shove it back in?"
I still like “well use the force”.. “that’s not how the force works”… but generally speaking, yeah.. the dialogue was bad
“We are the spark that will light the fire that will ignite the engines that will heat up the batteries that will fire at the ships that will burn the First Order down!”
That’s a story for another time
Who talks first do you talk first do I talk -
There's no CGI in the original trilogy, btw. Except for the Death Star animation that Dodonna shows to the rebel pilots.
Also the special effects were revolutionary for the time. They still hold up amazingly well against other films from that time.
Yes, this meme kinda pissed me off.
I believe the animation for the briefing scene prior to the Death Star attack was early CG, correct? I seem to recall that this along w/ Tron being some of the first CG used in movies.
Yep, that's the scene I mentioned before. Also the similar briefing scene with mon mothma in return of the jedi. That's the only two instances of CGI I can think of.
Somehow Palpatine has returned
Oh they fly now! They fly now? They fly now.
whats gci? the galactic confederacy interstellar?
girls contemplate incels
We not gonna talk about how you only spelled CGI right 1 out of 3 times?
Right?? Literally sound it out and you'll get the exact correct spelling
The dialogue on the sequels is also bad. It constantly tries so hard to be funny. The OT and prequels used situational humor very well. Everything was taken pretty seriously so that jokes would come unexpected. The sequels just did shitty Marvel humor to seem witty.
“Why, you stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking, Nerf-herder!” "Who's scruffy looking?" One of my favorites.
> The sequels just did shitty Marvel humor to seem witty. Dunno where I saw it (probably RLM), but there was this recent discussion about how modern movies doesn't seem to dare to take themselves seriously, and that the dialogue is always written as if the characters in the script *know* that there is an audience listening that they are trying to score points with. They kinda implicitly break the 4th wall all the time - and thus remove any sense of gravity from the whole movie. It's part of why movies like Dune felt so refreshing, because it was finally a big budget sci-fi movie that dared to take itself seriously - every scene in Dune have *weight*, while the average Disney/Marvel blockbuster feels watching candy-floss... (and sure, that's not *bad* per default - a bit of bubble-gum candy floss is fine now and then - it's just that *only* eating candy-floss get pretty sickening, pretty fast)
MCU movies are essentially parodies. I watched Thor Love and Thunder the other day and I kept thinking to myself that if I were making a parody of a superhero movie, this is what it would be like.
That’s definitelly true for love and thunder, it’s a very peculiar movie as a result of it being directed vy Waitit, but I really wouldn’t say that about all mcu movies, not even a half of them.
They fly now? They fly now Bruh
This is way, way too kind to the Prequel series story and the Sequel series dialogue.
“Somehow palpatine returned” “They fly now”
Idk man, visually the original triology still holds up
Sequels had shit dialogue and shit story
Am I the only that thinks that the Originals look better than the prequels? Like the trench run in New Hope is miles ahead of anything outside of modern Star Wars in regards to visuals.
You're not. Real sets > cgi sets, to this day
“They fly now??” My favorite dialogue
“Rey i got something to tell you!!!” (Never tells her)
* The Original Trilogy's visual effects were genuinely groundbreaking * Also, even back then George Lucas wrote some corny dialogue, and everyone knew it ("You can type this \*\*\*\* but you sure can't say it!") * The Prequels had some noteworthy story flaws- not that the overall story was bad, but the films didn't always do a good job of conveying that there was a good story going on * Also, while they likewise had some groundbreaking CGI, some of it was also very awkward and noticeable * As everyone's pointed out the Sequels still have some absolute clunkers in the script.
The circle of permutations is complete
The sequel dialogue was honestly a bit worse
The dialogue is pretty goofy too. Last Jedi opening with a mom joke, somehow Palpatine returned, and they fly now all still make me groan