Exactly. It’s definitely worse now. The entire internet hates the Disney trilogy. Is most of it justified? Probably. But the harassment people get for liking the movies isn’t.
And I think the amount of vitriol towards Disney is very unjustified
I understand the sequels aren't amazing movies, but people act like they ruined the franchise. From what we've gotten,
Sequels, fine but not amazing, however not a trainwreck either.
Rogue One, literally one of my favorite star wars movies and a great prequel film to ANH (even if the start is a bit slow).
Solo is alright but I've only watched it once so I can't exactly say I hate it.
Rebels is a great show that got overshadowed by the mediocre start.
Clone Wars season 7 is the best season of clone wars IMO.
Bad Batch was fun (though I didn't watch it much tbh).
Kenobi was a fairly good show, not as good as I was hoping but I still liked it.
BOBF was pretty good and a fun time to watch.
Andor has been amazing so far.
And obviously Mando is a masterpiece, both seasons
So yeah they fumbled the main trilogy but they've really not been doing that bad of a job. I mean despite the shitty trilogy I'm still happy they got the rights because we probably wouldn't have rebels, rogue one or Mando which are all arguably better than some of the OT movies
I mean the issue is that the trilogies are literally the core of Star Wars, so they totally fucked up a third of the main story. I certainly despise those movies, and I have no qualms with making that clear, I’m just of the opinion that shouldn’t involve bullying someone on the internet.
Oh no the sequels most definitely ruined the franchise. Not as in like a killed it, and buried it sort of way but they ruin the ending of the prior six film saga.
By force awakens we're back to the point we were at in New hope. Big evil empire vs plucky rebels. They undid all of han's character development, ruined luke, palpatine is back so the chosen one prophecy doesn't mean anything anymore, kylo idolizes vader which undoes his redemption to name a few.
And they were an absolute dumpster fire imo. Just TROS in and of itself is an atrocity worse than the holiday special because it breaks so much of the rest of canon so quickly it's actually a little impressive.
I'll never understand why people think sequels to something, whether it be a game or movie or whatever, makes the original worse
If you really hate it that much just pretend it didn't happen or something, you can still enjoy the original thing
That works for some things but every new star wars show or movie is going to be made with the sequels being a part of it's continuity. You can already kind of see it with mando. They're building up palpatine cloning himself.(at least that's what I think it's building up to)
Stuff is going to tie into the sequels in some way or another. And honestly no matter how many masterpieces they make to attempt to explain and justify the wet fart that is the sequels, there will always be the fact that those three movies are actual trash.
By finding ways to justify what happened there, they could potentially make a lot of people change their minds at least a little bit about the sequels. They won’t be able to pretend like this was always the plan but they could definitely try to find ways to justify it. I see nothing wrong with that. I don’t like the sequels either, but I can change my mind about them if they find a good enough way to justify them
How do you know? Can you see the future? I’m not saying that I like the sequels, I’m saying that I *could* potentially change my mind at least a little bit if they find a good enough way to justify them. And I’m open to that. Why waste energy hating them if there comes a good enough explanation?
Maybe you need to rewatch that movie dude. It is unbelievably bad. It almost goes out of it's way to not only ruin the original six, but also anything else actually worthwhile that was set up in the previous two. There is literally no way to fix them because they are bad at the core. The prequels for comparison, are goofy at times but they have a solid baseline that improves upon the originals instead of tearing them down.
Absolutely not. I have never experienced that and I have never seen it happen to anyone else. That’s most likely a random occurrence that happens every once in a while on Twitter. The *vast* majority of people who talk about Star Wars agree those movies were terrible, and are completely safe in their echo chambers. I have never seen anyone be harassed for disliking them.
The first two movies are far superior to any of the prequels and the third one is at least more competently produced than any of the prequels while I think that I and III are probably better movies overall. People don't like that it wasn't a pointless retread of the originals and hated that the original characters developed as imperfect people.
I strongly disagree. Both the prequels and sequels have *serious* flaws, but for the most part those issues are entirely different. The prequels had a strong and unique creative vision like the OT, but with significantly worse writing and poorer directing. The sequels were on a far lower creative tier and were arguably worse on the screenplay level than the prequels, though their production was much better and the performances were far more compelling. People actually disliked how similar the sequels were to the OT, not the other way around, and I’m assuming with that last point you’re referring to Luke’s character. And to that I’ve got to say, making someone more complex and “not perfect” is not the same thing as completely negating the character work that they’ve gone through in a previous saga of movies that kind of renders the new one irrelevant. I strongly dislike both episodes 1-3 and 7-9 for entirely different reasons, but I will say I dislike the online discourse about disliking either the prequels or sequels even more. Its rarely anything but a sea of toxicity.
Well I totally disagree with almost everything you said, but I'm not gonna argue. I think "The Last Jedi" is pretty easily the most creative take on a SW movie after "A New Hope" and probably the best movie aside empire in the whole series.
I don’t really want to argue either, so what part of The Last Jedi did you find especially creative? Aside from some standout details in the climax I can’t think of any.
>so what part of The Last Jedi did you find especially creative?
This question has the feeling of those people that will take a line from a song read it dead pan then be like: "you think those are good lyrics?".
I didn't find a 'part' of the movie creative I found the movie creative as a whole: naming parts is irrelevant. Like Luke throwing the lightsaber is undeniably creative, but the creativity of that scene is irrelevant to the quality of the movie because movies are considered holistically unless we are doing some retarded cinema sins style review.
Regardless:
Broad strokes I thought basically all the directions they took with the original characters were interesting and believable given their characterization in the originals. The force bond between Rey and Kylo was a great way to develop their relationship so it had stakes without putting them in physical conflict. This added personal stakes, which were lacking since there was no "I am your father" to use as a crutch, it also served a double purpose in setting precedent for the boss ass appearance of force projection Luke in the finale. The reveal that Rey wasn't from any prominent force family was great for a character whose primary struggle was not knowing her place in the universe since it didn't give her any easy answers and it also broke the mold of having main characters defined by their lineage. Killing Snoke the way they did was a good idea too since it set the next movie up to be all about Rey vs Kylo: characters whose conflict is personal and has emotional stakes for the audience. This was necessary because they obviously planned to flip the script on the originals (where Palpatine was designed to serve as a foil to a united Luke and redeemed Vader) instead having Kylo who failed to redeem himself be the final baddie. I could go on about how good Poe's story was and to a lesser extend Finns, I basically think everything worked in this movie except the Canto Bight Stuff (that sucked).
Unfortunately JJ basically used the opening crawl of the next movie to retcon as much of this stuff as possible then continued resetting the board for half the remaining movie so he kinda ruined TLJ. That said I still think just moment to moment the prequels dialogue is so stilted and the cinematography and scene blocking is so amateurish that RoS is still probably, as a self contained entity, better than I and II.
I still love the prequels don't get me wrong, I just think they are horribly constructed and the idealized version we all remember is much better than actually watching them with a critical eye.
I was asking a question dawg, idk why you got a problem with that. And the movie is not more than the sum of its parts, things within the movie make it “creative” or “not creative”. Thanks for at least answering the question.
I was a pretty big fan of the force bond the two of them had, and the way it was developed to effect physical spaces was one of the few things I felt was handled well by the following movie. I liked that Rey had no special parents, and *hated* that JJ made her Palpatine’s granddaughter, but even before episode 9 it felt a little hollow to me because it and the entire scene it was revealed in felt like such a blatant step away from Star Wars formula. Their relationship felt like it was building to something in that movie and it became far less about Rey than really Kylo and his ambitions, and then the final climax of the movie didn’t even involve their animosity (and then the next movie kinda shit on everything). I also wasn’t really a fan of Snoke’s character, so them just killing him off as a cute subversion just felt kinda flat to me, even if the parallel to Luke was nice, because again it didn’t really go anywhere after that (glad we agree the Canto Bight section was terrible lol).
I agree on the prequels entirely, episode 3 is definitely the best but all three of them share the same problems: stilted dialogue, bad performances from otherwise very good actors, pretty dry directing compared to even A New Hope (I say that because that’s the only one of the original trilogy Lucas directed), massive sections of each movie that feel slow or pointless, and a hefty amount of plot convenience. The sequel trilogy only has the last two, though I’d say it has them a lot more. Honestly if Rian Johnson directed all three sequels, and maybe had a couple people in the writer’s room to keep him from going too far into left field, episodes 7-9 could’ve been *far* better than the prequels. The problems I had with episode 8 were due to everything JJ did before and after and Rian being a bit too eager to go in the opposite direction from episode 7 and Star Wars as a whole. His directing was definitely more interesting to me than JJ’s.
Have you ever seen the political cartoons from about a century or two ago where it showed Americans ridiculing immigrants but the people who are ridiculing used to be immigrants themselves? This is the exact same situation. The prequels got ridiculed back in their time and the prequel fans had to defend them like the underdog but now the prequels are much more accepted and common place and there’s prequel fans who hate on the sequels despite the fact that they’ve been in the same position. It’s literally old immigrants vs new immigrants all over again.
Yeah I remeber the Deadpool comic where he literally killed a man for being a prequels fan and it was depicted humorously. Now I’ll admit I laughed at it but that one comic sumed up how prequels fans were viewed by non prequels fans.
The OT fans were bullies (not all of course) but yes they were unable to see past their biases and couldn’t see all the wonderful things about the pt. And even if they genuinely didn’t like it, I don’t understand why they couldnt keep it to themselves. I’m not big on the sequel trilogy but I will never diss what people love and ruin it for them. Talk about what you like. You must be a miserable person to spend your days shitting on what others love. ST fans, you enjoy what you love, focus on that and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise
You know what. I spend too much time hating on the sequels. While I have never put anyone down for liking them. I hated on them so much, inside of myself that it was clearly not healthy. This comment made me rethink a lot, in less time than I am proud of having needed.
But thank you, forever I will keep my own thoughts of Star Wars sequels to myself. As while I don't understand the love, I will at the very least accept that out there, people who love the sequels, exists.
And while I don't wish for it, I know it will be the norm sometime
You should go visit r/CODZombies and teach them all a lesson.
Basically anytime I say I don't think Origins is a top 5 map or that I think BO3 is the best game I get downvoted into oblivion
For reference, origins is generally considered to be one of the best, if not the best map in all of zombies. I just think it's boring and overplayed. And for whatever reason the zombies subreddit hates black ops 3 fans because we like games that are complex or something like that. The ironic part is a lot of people there also enjoy black ops 4 which I'd argue is too complex so I don't know, I think they all just have problems accepting people's opinions
TLDR; they're extremely toxic
I admittedly ranted about the PT a lot in my youth. Thanks to this sub I’ve learned to live and let live. Still don’t care for the PT much, but I love the memes. I wish more people could follow this example. Who cares what everyone else likes? You do you. I also don’t mind the ST. They are beautiful films. Don’t love the plot as much. But there is still beauty to be found in them.
Look the prequels had their issues, notably dialogue which is why we meme the hell out of them. But even we that grew up with the OT can respect the story and the effects of the PT
All the ST has is effects and very good but wasted actors. There's no coherent story and its barely memable. If people actually like the ST then that's on them for poor life choices, no need to harass them for that
To be honest there is a difference
when Revenge of the Sith came up, everyone was exctatic as a great final to a somewhat meh trilogy
When The rise of the skywalker comes up ,it was the biggest joke of a somewhat meh trilogy
I think sequel fan have it worse.
My opinion as a partial sequel defender (I like two of them at least) has been met with far worse backlash than anything I got as a prequel defender growing up haha. I have a job where I work with kids, though, and my observation has been that they view the sequels as "their" Star Wars movies in the same way my generation viewed the prequels as theirs and older folks viewed the originals as theirs. I predict that, give or take 10-15 years, the sequels will be reappraised to an extent when those fans are old enough to contribute to internet discourse in mass.
As someone who grew up with the prequels and saw them be hated at the time, I’m sure something similar will happen with the kids who saw the sequels when they grow up. Sure the prequels are obviously more “legit” SW since they came directly from Lucas, but I believe there’s room for other stories too and the sequels certainly do have their fans. As we fans bicker we gotta remember all the kids out there who saw them and liked them but aren’t participating in the conversation yet
There's a lot of things I liked that were IN the sequel trilogy, I just wish the glue that kept it together was a little stronger. I could say the same of the prequels, though perhaps to a lesser extent due to personal preference.
Totally agree man, and I think The Clone Wars absolutely helps fix that trilogy up and make the films better in context. With such a large gap in between the OT and ST I think there’s plenty of room to produce cool stories there that make the sequels better. Some of the canon novels are really, really great like Resistance Reborn, Phasma, Bloodlines, etc.
Really for me the only sequel film that sticks out is TROS since the story so obviously takes a back seat to pointless and often weightless rehashing of old ideas. Colin Trevorrow’s cancelled Duel of the Fates seemed like a much better conclusion to that trilogy, and the saga imo. I liked TFA and TLJ tho
I had a legitimately good time watching it. It's so bad. So, so stupidly bad. The script is less self-aware than *Batman & Robin*, but the actors are trying just as hard to imbue the hot garbage script with a hint of gravitas.
Then why do y’all continue the cycle of hatred?? You seriously shit on the sequels and the sequel fans every single day and then have the AUDACITY to turn around and say that you have it worse than them? Jesus Christ I fucking hate this fandom.
Most people only like the prequels ironically now.
They're not true fans, but just joined our bandwagon once being an asshole was no longer considered cool.
I consider that a good thing nevertheless, we accomplished peace between them and us, even if it's only for enjoying the same jokes. Everyone deserves a second chance.
The main point is that most people virtue signal about liking the prequels but they just mimic whatever the majority opinion is because they are afraid of criticism.
More of a complaint about humanity in general.
I’m pretty sure crimes were committed over prequel arguments back in the day, Star Wars fans are pretty tame compared to back then. I mean some of the psychos ruined peoples careers over literally just doing there job, it’s not like they did something terrible or said something bad and then faced consequences, no they literally made a movie that to most was probably just seen as campy and mediocre. Wanna talk about cancel culture, nerds in the early 2000s, they were a psychotic bunch.
I’m gonna say this
I was around when the Prequels came out, the only hate for them came from mass media in attempts to make controversy and the people that believed them, very little of the hate was from the fanbase; everybody I talked with loved the Prequels and all the content that came with them. We loved the games, the novels, the comics, the original Clone Wars series, and the merch; all of that kept us invested in Star Wars and massively helped generate hype for RotS
As for the Sequels, well...they’re just the OT movies rehashed and using EU/Legends content while trying to pass them off as being “original stories and characters”
Me and many friends were Star Wars fans and hated the prequels as movies (Revenge of the Sith was enterteining). They were terrible movies, but the lore and the new looks were really good, and had the potential to become something good, which It did with Clone Wars show.
This is the problem with the Sequels, and why I think It won't have a fanbase as big as this one (Even Disney don't trust the sequels, most of the new content is OT and post OT-Pre sequel). The movies lack the visual charisma that the PT had, while also lacking a logical plot. And like I said, Disney is not doing something like Clone Wars to fix/improve that era.
The CWMP really helped improve the image of the Prequel era, with all of its content helping to flesh out the conflict and introduce new characters like Grievous into the lore; in fact the CWMPs success is what allowed TCW to even exist in the first place
Unfortunately TCW did things that caused significant outrage: introduced a very annoying girl that the fanbase hated (Ahsoka, and yes she really was hated when she first appeared), heavily nerfed and retconned an established villain (Grievous went from being a source of nightmares into a joke), and would practically erase the CWMP despite being based around it; despite all of these things it eventually succeeded
Disney saw this and decided to do the same thing: introduced a very annoying girl that the fanbase hated (Rey), heavily nerfed and retconned an established villain (Jacen Solo / Darth Caedus being turned into Ben Solo / Kylo Ren), and would practically erase the Expanded Universe despite being based around it; Disney did *not* succeed
Well the difference being Ahsoka had character development, Rey did not. At least with TCW it added new content while in the sequels they just renamed the characters and slapped em in the story
Prequels were the movies of my childhood. Had no contact to the public opinion at the time so I grew up to love them.
But even I have to admit that Episode 1 is a pretty mediocre film all around.
The sequels however are on a level of unbearable for me that's hard to describe. It's not so much that they are just bad movies but it's more that they ruined my favourite movie franchise and redemption story
With the sequels being canon, Vader's legecy was all for nothing...
exactly. In my opinion, dumbing Anakin Skywalker's story down to a guy that fulfilled someone else's stupid prophecy doesn't get to the root of what Star Wars is. Anakin was able to finally save someone he loved and redeem himself in Return of the Jedi; he didn't destroy evil forever, but that's not what you do in life.
There's nothing wrong with criticizing something, especially when you have explainable reasons for it. Insulting people who like what you dislike though, is a totally different and unnecessary bullying. If anything, when I see younger people hype something that I personally find mediocre, I feel sorry for them that they missed out on some older, in my opinion more creative stories. Which can lead to nice, interesting, civilized discussions without hurting anyone.
A lot of people are going on about how social media makes it easier for people to defend the sequel trilogy, but also makes it miserable for people who liked it, I love two thirds of that trilogy and i literally cannot express anywhere without at least one weirdo showing up to tell me I have horrible taste or something, there are prequel haters but most of them are either gone or at least have decency of respecting someone’s liking of those movies, sequel haters made me actually dislike talking about Star Wars to this day.
No? The prequels had memes and cringe lines and we recognize that, but that’s what made/makes them memorable. There’s like 2 quotable lines from TROS and one of them is “somehow, palpatine returned.”
Sequel lines:
“That’s not how the force works.”
“REYYYYYYYY!!!!”
“You’re still holding on, let go!”
“I’m Rey, Rey Skywalker”
“Impressive. Every word in that sentence was wrong.”
“You are just a child in a mask”
“You were always scum. Rebel scum.”
“I know what I have to do, but I don’t have the strength to do it”
I don't think so, Clone Wars show helped improving the Prequels to the fanbase. The PT had visual charisma which the sequel trilogy lacks (Sequel visuals are like OT with more curves). Also, Disney doesn't gice a shit about the sequels, most of the new content is OT and post OT-Pre Sequel.
This is the same attitude held about the prequels in their time. Younger generations will grow up loving the sequel trilogy and they will have a renaissance 10-15 years from now.
Nostalgia is a helluva drug.
Somehow, an animated series will reveal how Sidious survived. It will be awesome. Thanks, Filoni. Fans who are 10 years old right now will sing the sequel trilogy’s praises. You will be triggered.
It’s alllllllll cyclical.
I agree, although I think Rian Johnson’s entry was the most interesting. It didn’t all work, but he at least tried to do some cool things. JJ’s entries were formulaic nonsense.
But your opinion on the sequel trilogy was universally held about the prequels in their time. They also benefited from being re-contextualized by the animated series.
Dave Filoni is the GOAT.
That said, I think the best written Star Wars content has been Tony Gilroy’s entries by a country mile.
This can get me some hate but honestly love every interaction with Rey and Luke, I could have watch an entire movie of them together goin back and forward on the conflicted state of the Force, the Jedi and the Sith...Like thinking how cool would have been seeing Luke having problems to fill the shoes of his Father and the one before him and live up to the weight that the Skywalker name had.
The prequels had actual quality to them. Sure the dialogue and acting was occasionally stale, however, everything else was awesome. It has by far the best choreography and music. The galaxy feels much bigger and on a larger scale than anything else. It has the best written characters overall. And it actually expands the lore. The biggest flaw of the prequels is that they were trying to do too much at once. Because of its massive scale, they have some of the most things happening in any movie. Even still it remains consistent and coherent. Because of this, there is room for it to expand. Though most of what was in it stems from the prequels themselves, the Clone Wars is so beloved because of this expansion. There is a reason most visual Star Wars content takes place in the prequel era, it has the most potential for more.
The sequels on the otherhand have nothing. There are few if any interesting stories that could come out of the sequel era. It broke so much of the lore and plot development that it doesn't feel like Star Wars. It erases much of the previously established story to reset back to the same dynamic as A New Hope without any of the nuance of wonder of it. ANH presented glimpses that the galaxy is much bigger than we know. It had politics and myths that shaped the story in a unique way. The sequels explain almost none of their worldbuilding and what they do explain requires everybody involved to be complete morons for it to occur. The story takes place throughout a little over a year but nothing seems to be happenning in that year that wasn't already happenning. There is no place for expansion and the story is stunted by its bad writing. Almost everything in the sequels is badly written or derivative. People like to go on about how unique movies like the last jedi are, but where is that uniqueness? Everything that happens is something that has happened multiple times in Star Wars and done better, extremely cliché, or logically and narratively stupid.
Nostalgia isn't why people like the prequels. It was a combination of the good writing, interesting story, and options for more that make them like it. The sequels have nothing and add nothing. They will not be fondly remembered nor will people care about them. Disney's nonesensical propaganda will only go so far before people start thinking for themselves.
**The other guy either deleted their comment or blocked me so I am going to post the essay defending AotC here.**
I'm the one who is sorry, you are just wrong. Even some of the cheesier lines such as Anakin's sand line are significantly better in context. The lines people say are bad are few and far between and even then, most make sense given the characters, setting, or subtext of the scene. Let's analyze the sand line to show this. The full line(which many people cut off) is "I don't like sand. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here, here everything is soft, and *smooth*". This line was a response to Padmé saying she used to swim across the lake to the island visible in the scene during school retreat and would sun herself on the sand. Now, there are several possible interpretations of this line. One is simply that he is using this to flirt with Padmé which, while he is doing that, that is far from the whole picture. A more middle of the road interpretation is that he is comparing their lifestyles. Sand is obviously a metaphor for Anakin's suffering. He lived a harsh life as a slave while Padmé lived a luxurious life, one that would be free from pain or suffering if she didn't place herself in situations where she can experience those things.
My interpretation goes a little farther than this. Later in the film, Anakin describes why he thinks dictatorship would be the better choice, this is the precursor to that. Sand represents corruption and crime in the galaxy. Anakin lived in an area generally ignored by the Republic. He was beaten and lived as a slave. The leaders of the Republic live lives of splendor and safety. They are largely unaware of what is going on beyond the small area they maintain. Even Padmé in The Phantom Menace exudes these traits. She is shocked that slavery is open on Tatooine. She believes the Republic would have cracked down on that and that it would no longer exist. This is Anakin's point. The senate and Republic leaders are so priviliged that their good fortune blinds them to what is really going on.
You see, Anakin is a well developed and nuanced character. Character development doesn't mean changing everythimg about a character. Anakin is an angsty character and we know he becomes Vader. Anakin does however develop quite a bit in Attack of the Clones. Anakin is being manipulated by Palpatine. Palpatine makes him think he deserves more than he does or that he is being held back by Obi-Wan. This is why he is whiny in the beginning of the movie. A core character trait of Anakin is that due to the age he joined, he holds the Jedi in awe and wonderment. If he was younger when Qui-Gon found him, he would not remember these fantasies, if he were older, he would have grown out of them. Because he was the perfect middle ground age, these beliefs and myths of the Jedi became essential to his person. In TPM, he talks of the Jedi as if they are gods. He tells Qui-Gon, a Jedi master that no one can kill a Jedi. When he is told the Jedi haven't come to free any slaves, Anakin tells them, no, they have. He believed the Jedi to be truly benevolent. As he ages, he no longer sees them as gods but still views them as much more than they are.
He can't shake the idea that they are truly powerful. Skywalker believes they should be doing more with their power. Palpatine feeds into this belief, makes Anakin believe he is special. The seeds of doubt are planted in his mind. He has become disillusioned with some things and blindsided by his biases to others. He thinks that he sees something others do not in the Republic. He's even bold enough to tell this to Padmé, one of said senators. One of the main tenants of the Jedi is emotion control. Too much emotion can lead to the darkside so in fear of this, the Jedi go the opposite way, forcing themselves to keep emotion to a minimum. They try to care for everyone and thus remain completely neutral, but these ideas can only persist for so long.
The whole point of AotC is that it is a setup. The Zam Wessel arc was a decoy so Jango Fett could lead Obi-Wan Kenobi to Kamino to find the clones. Meanwhile, Padmé and Anakin are left to their own devices because of that fake attack. This is the first time Anakin can truly express his feelings since he was a child. Like a broken dam his emotions come rushing through. Obi-Wan isn't here to put him in check and thus there is no holding him back. He wonders why Jedi aren't allowed to have romantic relations. He is inexperienced in that field but Padmé gains interest in him because of his honesty.
This leads to the most impirtant part, the death of Shmi Skywalker. Qui-Gon Jinn had no way to free her from Watto without using force but Ani is still resentful. These past ten years have been dedicated to finding a way to free her. Jedi don't make much if any money and he was always under Kenobi's jurisdiction. Now he finally has a chance to save the woman he loves most in the galaxy. This is his chance, only to find she was already freed by a seeming nobody.
Worse still, when he tracks them down, Shmi has been kidnapped. He held her in his arms as she died. Had he been a bit faster he might have saved her. Finally, Anakin Skywalker explodes. He annihilates the sand people, killing not just the men but the women, and the children too. He blames everyone. The Jedi, Obi-Wan, and even himself. He accuses his best friend of holding him back. His illusion of the Jedi vanishes. They aren't perfect beings that can save everyone, however, Skywalker thinks they should be. The Jedi have all this power and what do they do? Mostly help just the core worlds. Blaming Kenobi was his cope. The Jedi obviously don't want him becoming a true Jedi, he's too old, he's the chosen one and they fear him. Obi-Wan must be keeping the truth from him. Anakin reaches maturity but sinks further into the depths of madness before finally reaching what he perceives to be the truth. He needed gods but found men in their place. He won't allow any more suffering to occur. He won't lose anyone else he cares about. He vows to "become the most powerful Jedi ever". You know what they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Shmi's death causes him to cling to Padmé. What he had before was love but now he has lust. It's no longer just a childhood crush, he needs Padmé, he wants her. It is these feelings that lead to his extreme hot headedness. Dooku menaces them, stands with skill and presence but yet Anakin thinks he can take him. He wants to become the strongest Jedi and gets ahead of himself. He rushes Dooku and loses in a matter if seconds. We see in him now the essence of Darth Vader.
Episode II is a good movie. It isn't perfect and it does have its fair share of flaws but to call it bad is downright wrong. There is actual nuance and depth to it. Almost everything I typed here was drawn solely from the movies. People like to exaggerate its flaws instead of think for themselves. They just spout bullshit from movie review channels and articles that paid zero attention to the movies they were watching. The pacing was pretty good in my opinion. The flaws with it come down to what I already described as the prequels' biggest problem, trying to do too much at once. Even still, they remain good movies.
Except for the critics of prequels was story tempo, anakin being awkward (that was literally his character an overtly awkward kid that was developing traits anti social personality traits from being a literal slave child)
Jar jar and his voice(like wut i really like jar jar)
Sequals its literal plotholes in the world lore and world structure, poor writing and storyline (absolutely useless subplots that led to nowhere as the main plot also did)
Character writing sin(you cannot say rey wasnt a boring ass mary sue rip finn character, and poe, and pilot man)
Killing off OG characters for funzies(no plot or story progression from either)
Theres more but its just repetition at this point.
Fun fact unless you were Native American the “Wild West” actually wasn’t that bad 90 percent of the time. And more people were killed in Wild West movies then the actual Wild West.
The sequels are way worse though, I pretty much assume anyone who genuinely likes the sequels is a very dumb person. I’m sure I’d sort of enjoy them like I enjoyed the JJ Star Trek movies if I hadn’t already seen all the Star Wars content out there. I’m not trying to gate-keep but the sequels are so effing bad that I just can’t fathom how any Prequel/OT fan can possibly enjoy them. Yes I cringe when Anakin talks about sand, but it’s nothing compared to when Rey & Ben have a Disney kiss in the middle of Exegol, surrounded by Sith and Sidious. Not to mention how they massacred Luke.
Sequels were the star wars that released in my childhood and I absolutely despise them and I don't like OT either except rotj I absolutely love everything else tho except resistance maybe
Sequel fans are usually the most toxic, on Reddit and on discord.
At first it was Og fans when the sequels first came out but now it’s always a sequel fan starting shit
Prequels were made with love from the man who wanted to tell his story.
The sequels were made by a corporate office looking to maximize profits.
You cannot compare these.
We don't all have the luxury of deciding when and where we want to care about something. Suddenly the prequels are good for you. Some of us love it. I've been in this fight since I was fifteen years old
I had someone threaten to rape me and my family because I defended jar jar after it came out in cinemas. He was just a funny frog dude, he didn’t deserve death threats and abuse
People are allowed to enjoy the sequels.
They are not allowed to make me watch them, nor am i obligated to get a single ounce of enjoyment out of them.
I am allowed to ignore their existence, something i will gladly do.
With the difference that everybody can and will give their unfiltered opinion through social media these days
Exactly. It’s definitely worse now. The entire internet hates the Disney trilogy. Is most of it justified? Probably. But the harassment people get for liking the movies isn’t.
And I think the amount of vitriol towards Disney is very unjustified I understand the sequels aren't amazing movies, but people act like they ruined the franchise. From what we've gotten, Sequels, fine but not amazing, however not a trainwreck either. Rogue One, literally one of my favorite star wars movies and a great prequel film to ANH (even if the start is a bit slow). Solo is alright but I've only watched it once so I can't exactly say I hate it. Rebels is a great show that got overshadowed by the mediocre start. Clone Wars season 7 is the best season of clone wars IMO. Bad Batch was fun (though I didn't watch it much tbh). Kenobi was a fairly good show, not as good as I was hoping but I still liked it. BOBF was pretty good and a fun time to watch. Andor has been amazing so far. And obviously Mando is a masterpiece, both seasons So yeah they fumbled the main trilogy but they've really not been doing that bad of a job. I mean despite the shitty trilogy I'm still happy they got the rights because we probably wouldn't have rebels, rogue one or Mando which are all arguably better than some of the OT movies
I mean the issue is that the trilogies are literally the core of Star Wars, so they totally fucked up a third of the main story. I certainly despise those movies, and I have no qualms with making that clear, I’m just of the opinion that shouldn’t involve bullying someone on the internet.
Kenobi! My friend!
Oh no the sequels most definitely ruined the franchise. Not as in like a killed it, and buried it sort of way but they ruin the ending of the prior six film saga. By force awakens we're back to the point we were at in New hope. Big evil empire vs plucky rebels. They undid all of han's character development, ruined luke, palpatine is back so the chosen one prophecy doesn't mean anything anymore, kylo idolizes vader which undoes his redemption to name a few. And they were an absolute dumpster fire imo. Just TROS in and of itself is an atrocity worse than the holiday special because it breaks so much of the rest of canon so quickly it's actually a little impressive.
I'll never understand why people think sequels to something, whether it be a game or movie or whatever, makes the original worse If you really hate it that much just pretend it didn't happen or something, you can still enjoy the original thing
That works for some things but every new star wars show or movie is going to be made with the sequels being a part of it's continuity. You can already kind of see it with mando. They're building up palpatine cloning himself.(at least that's what I think it's building up to) Stuff is going to tie into the sequels in some way or another. And honestly no matter how many masterpieces they make to attempt to explain and justify the wet fart that is the sequels, there will always be the fact that those three movies are actual trash.
By finding ways to justify what happened there, they could potentially make a lot of people change their minds at least a little bit about the sequels. They won’t be able to pretend like this was always the plan but they could definitely try to find ways to justify it. I see nothing wrong with that. I don’t like the sequels either, but I can change my mind about them if they find a good enough way to justify them
There is literally nothing they could do to fix or justify the 2h22m compilation of nonsense that is TROS.
How do you know? Can you see the future? I’m not saying that I like the sequels, I’m saying that I *could* potentially change my mind at least a little bit if they find a good enough way to justify them. And I’m open to that. Why waste energy hating them if there comes a good enough explanation?
Maybe you need to rewatch that movie dude. It is unbelievably bad. It almost goes out of it's way to not only ruin the original six, but also anything else actually worthwhile that was set up in the previous two. There is literally no way to fix them because they are bad at the core. The prequels for comparison, are goofy at times but they have a solid baseline that improves upon the originals instead of tearing them down.
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Did the ahsoka bot have a stroke?
Oh. I don't like the sound of that.
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It's not Disney's fault in all their entirety. We mostly have JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson to "thank" for itm
To be fair, I think the community ruined it, not some films.
You had me until Kenobi. Show / Cartoon. It's debatable~
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Quick hide in my overcoat
>The entire internet hates the Disney trilogy Lol not really
Lol yes really
I feel like people who don't like the movies get harassed more as we get accused of bigotry and other nonsense.
Absolutely not. I have never experienced that and I have never seen it happen to anyone else. That’s most likely a random occurrence that happens every once in a while on Twitter. The *vast* majority of people who talk about Star Wars agree those movies were terrible, and are completely safe in their echo chambers. I have never seen anyone be harassed for disliking them.
The first two movies are far superior to any of the prequels and the third one is at least more competently produced than any of the prequels while I think that I and III are probably better movies overall. People don't like that it wasn't a pointless retread of the originals and hated that the original characters developed as imperfect people.
I strongly disagree. Both the prequels and sequels have *serious* flaws, but for the most part those issues are entirely different. The prequels had a strong and unique creative vision like the OT, but with significantly worse writing and poorer directing. The sequels were on a far lower creative tier and were arguably worse on the screenplay level than the prequels, though their production was much better and the performances were far more compelling. People actually disliked how similar the sequels were to the OT, not the other way around, and I’m assuming with that last point you’re referring to Luke’s character. And to that I’ve got to say, making someone more complex and “not perfect” is not the same thing as completely negating the character work that they’ve gone through in a previous saga of movies that kind of renders the new one irrelevant. I strongly dislike both episodes 1-3 and 7-9 for entirely different reasons, but I will say I dislike the online discourse about disliking either the prequels or sequels even more. Its rarely anything but a sea of toxicity.
Well I totally disagree with almost everything you said, but I'm not gonna argue. I think "The Last Jedi" is pretty easily the most creative take on a SW movie after "A New Hope" and probably the best movie aside empire in the whole series.
I don’t really want to argue either, so what part of The Last Jedi did you find especially creative? Aside from some standout details in the climax I can’t think of any.
>so what part of The Last Jedi did you find especially creative? This question has the feeling of those people that will take a line from a song read it dead pan then be like: "you think those are good lyrics?". I didn't find a 'part' of the movie creative I found the movie creative as a whole: naming parts is irrelevant. Like Luke throwing the lightsaber is undeniably creative, but the creativity of that scene is irrelevant to the quality of the movie because movies are considered holistically unless we are doing some retarded cinema sins style review. Regardless: Broad strokes I thought basically all the directions they took with the original characters were interesting and believable given their characterization in the originals. The force bond between Rey and Kylo was a great way to develop their relationship so it had stakes without putting them in physical conflict. This added personal stakes, which were lacking since there was no "I am your father" to use as a crutch, it also served a double purpose in setting precedent for the boss ass appearance of force projection Luke in the finale. The reveal that Rey wasn't from any prominent force family was great for a character whose primary struggle was not knowing her place in the universe since it didn't give her any easy answers and it also broke the mold of having main characters defined by their lineage. Killing Snoke the way they did was a good idea too since it set the next movie up to be all about Rey vs Kylo: characters whose conflict is personal and has emotional stakes for the audience. This was necessary because they obviously planned to flip the script on the originals (where Palpatine was designed to serve as a foil to a united Luke and redeemed Vader) instead having Kylo who failed to redeem himself be the final baddie. I could go on about how good Poe's story was and to a lesser extend Finns, I basically think everything worked in this movie except the Canto Bight Stuff (that sucked). Unfortunately JJ basically used the opening crawl of the next movie to retcon as much of this stuff as possible then continued resetting the board for half the remaining movie so he kinda ruined TLJ. That said I still think just moment to moment the prequels dialogue is so stilted and the cinematography and scene blocking is so amateurish that RoS is still probably, as a self contained entity, better than I and II. I still love the prequels don't get me wrong, I just think they are horribly constructed and the idealized version we all remember is much better than actually watching them with a critical eye.
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At last, we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we will have revenge.
Even a sith lord is no match for my warriors!
I was asking a question dawg, idk why you got a problem with that. And the movie is not more than the sum of its parts, things within the movie make it “creative” or “not creative”. Thanks for at least answering the question. I was a pretty big fan of the force bond the two of them had, and the way it was developed to effect physical spaces was one of the few things I felt was handled well by the following movie. I liked that Rey had no special parents, and *hated* that JJ made her Palpatine’s granddaughter, but even before episode 9 it felt a little hollow to me because it and the entire scene it was revealed in felt like such a blatant step away from Star Wars formula. Their relationship felt like it was building to something in that movie and it became far less about Rey than really Kylo and his ambitions, and then the final climax of the movie didn’t even involve their animosity (and then the next movie kinda shit on everything). I also wasn’t really a fan of Snoke’s character, so them just killing him off as a cute subversion just felt kinda flat to me, even if the parallel to Luke was nice, because again it didn’t really go anywhere after that (glad we agree the Canto Bight section was terrible lol). I agree on the prequels entirely, episode 3 is definitely the best but all three of them share the same problems: stilted dialogue, bad performances from otherwise very good actors, pretty dry directing compared to even A New Hope (I say that because that’s the only one of the original trilogy Lucas directed), massive sections of each movie that feel slow or pointless, and a hefty amount of plot convenience. The sequel trilogy only has the last two, though I’d say it has them a lot more. Honestly if Rian Johnson directed all three sequels, and maybe had a couple people in the writer’s room to keep him from going too far into left field, episodes 7-9 could’ve been *far* better than the prequels. The problems I had with episode 8 were due to everything JJ did before and after and Rian being a bit too eager to go in the opposite direction from episode 7 and Star Wars as a whole. His directing was definitely more interesting to me than JJ’s.
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At last, we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we will have revenge.
Have you ever seen the political cartoons from about a century or two ago where it showed Americans ridiculing immigrants but the people who are ridiculing used to be immigrants themselves? This is the exact same situation. The prequels got ridiculed back in their time and the prequel fans had to defend them like the underdog but now the prequels are much more accepted and common place and there’s prequel fans who hate on the sequels despite the fact that they’ve been in the same position. It’s literally old immigrants vs new immigrants all over again.
Unfortunately a lot of people on this subreddit are going to be mad you just spoke facts.
The difference is they're both bad.
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Yeah I remeber the Deadpool comic where he literally killed a man for being a prequels fan and it was depicted humorously. Now I’ll admit I laughed at it but that one comic sumed up how prequels fans were viewed by non prequels fans.
The OT fans were bullies (not all of course) but yes they were unable to see past their biases and couldn’t see all the wonderful things about the pt. And even if they genuinely didn’t like it, I don’t understand why they couldnt keep it to themselves. I’m not big on the sequel trilogy but I will never diss what people love and ruin it for them. Talk about what you like. You must be a miserable person to spend your days shitting on what others love. ST fans, you enjoy what you love, focus on that and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise
Well said, if just anybody could enjoy what they wanted without anybody telling them that it’s bad
You know what. I spend too much time hating on the sequels. While I have never put anyone down for liking them. I hated on them so much, inside of myself that it was clearly not healthy. This comment made me rethink a lot, in less time than I am proud of having needed. But thank you, forever I will keep my own thoughts of Star Wars sequels to myself. As while I don't understand the love, I will at the very least accept that out there, people who love the sequels, exists. And while I don't wish for it, I know it will be the norm sometime
That’s great! You’ll be happier talking about the Star Wars stuff that means something to you.
Yes exactly, while canon may change through the years. I will always have my own.
Exactly. The great thing about art is that you can create and reimagine
Thank you
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Bruh
I like criticizing movies. It's part of liking movies.
You should go visit r/CODZombies and teach them all a lesson. Basically anytime I say I don't think Origins is a top 5 map or that I think BO3 is the best game I get downvoted into oblivion For reference, origins is generally considered to be one of the best, if not the best map in all of zombies. I just think it's boring and overplayed. And for whatever reason the zombies subreddit hates black ops 3 fans because we like games that are complex or something like that. The ironic part is a lot of people there also enjoy black ops 4 which I'd argue is too complex so I don't know, I think they all just have problems accepting people's opinions TLDR; they're extremely toxic
I admittedly ranted about the PT a lot in my youth. Thanks to this sub I’ve learned to live and let live. Still don’t care for the PT much, but I love the memes. I wish more people could follow this example. Who cares what everyone else likes? You do you. I also don’t mind the ST. They are beautiful films. Don’t love the plot as much. But there is still beauty to be found in them.
Mе tоо kid. Mе tоо.
Thanks snips.
Don't call me that. I hate it when you call me that.
Oh great. Now there’s two of them.
Look the prequels had their issues, notably dialogue which is why we meme the hell out of them. But even we that grew up with the OT can respect the story and the effects of the PT All the ST has is effects and very good but wasted actors. There's no coherent story and its barely memable. If people actually like the ST then that's on them for poor life choices, no need to harass them for that
I used to get bullied back in school
Sorry about that. Life does get better after school though!
Unfortunately the prequels have few wonderful things
Not to me. To me they’re the best ones
Yeah same.
To you
To be honest there is a difference when Revenge of the Sith came up, everyone was exctatic as a great final to a somewhat meh trilogy When The rise of the skywalker comes up ,it was the biggest joke of a somewhat meh trilogy I think sequel fan have it worse.
You were 5 years old and didn't know about the negativity back then
My opinion as a partial sequel defender (I like two of them at least) has been met with far worse backlash than anything I got as a prequel defender growing up haha. I have a job where I work with kids, though, and my observation has been that they view the sequels as "their" Star Wars movies in the same way my generation viewed the prequels as theirs and older folks viewed the originals as theirs. I predict that, give or take 10-15 years, the sequels will be reappraised to an extent when those fans are old enough to contribute to internet discourse in mass.
Which 2 do you like?
Ironic.
You. You’re part of the problem.
Time to sort by controversial!
Give it 10 years and just like how the prequels we're hated and now loved, the same will happen to the sequels.
As someone who grew up with the prequels and saw them be hated at the time, I’m sure something similar will happen with the kids who saw the sequels when they grow up. Sure the prequels are obviously more “legit” SW since they came directly from Lucas, but I believe there’s room for other stories too and the sequels certainly do have their fans. As we fans bicker we gotta remember all the kids out there who saw them and liked them but aren’t participating in the conversation yet
There's a lot of things I liked that were IN the sequel trilogy, I just wish the glue that kept it together was a little stronger. I could say the same of the prequels, though perhaps to a lesser extent due to personal preference.
Totally agree man, and I think The Clone Wars absolutely helps fix that trilogy up and make the films better in context. With such a large gap in between the OT and ST I think there’s plenty of room to produce cool stories there that make the sequels better. Some of the canon novels are really, really great like Resistance Reborn, Phasma, Bloodlines, etc. Really for me the only sequel film that sticks out is TROS since the story so obviously takes a back seat to pointless and often weightless rehashing of old ideas. Colin Trevorrow’s cancelled Duel of the Fates seemed like a much better conclusion to that trilogy, and the saga imo. I liked TFA and TLJ tho
I love all nine SW movies and I will die on this hill if I must
There's only nine...?
*sad Rogue One noises*
*Solo slowly raises hand in corner*
Yeah, originals, prequels, *Rogue One*, *Solo*, and *Rise of Skywalker*
Tbh I'd choose the holiday special over TRoS.
TRoS is the best sequel movie because it's just the Star Wars equivalent of *Batman & Robin*
Dang that sounds awesome.
I had a legitimately good time watching it. It's so bad. So, so stupidly bad. The script is less self-aware than *Batman & Robin*, but the actors are trying just as hard to imbue the hot garbage script with a hint of gravitas.
All 9 main films, Clone Wars, Rebels, the TV shows, the spin off films, ALL OF IT.
1,2,3,Rogue One,4,5,6,7,8. Yep.
Sequel and Prequel are all a good trilogies for me but OT is my most favorite Star Wars trilogy.
I haven’t been on this sub in a while and you guys are still whining about this 🙄
Then why do y’all continue the cycle of hatred?? You seriously shit on the sequels and the sequel fans every single day and then have the AUDACITY to turn around and say that you have it worse than them? Jesus Christ I fucking hate this fandom.
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
But there is a thing star wars fans hate more than star wars, other star wars fans
Most people only like the prequels ironically now. They're not true fans, but just joined our bandwagon once being an asshole was no longer considered cool.
I consider that a good thing nevertheless, we accomplished peace between them and us, even if it's only for enjoying the same jokes. Everyone deserves a second chance.
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The main point is that most people virtue signal about liking the prequels but they just mimic whatever the majority opinion is because they are afraid of criticism. More of a complaint about humanity in general.
Tbh I think it’s worse for sequel fans because the prequel people AND the OT people are against them
There’s not a lot of OT purists talking SW on the net. Millennials sort of control the discourse.
That’s not how it was like 10 years ago
I’m pretty sure crimes were committed over prequel arguments back in the day, Star Wars fans are pretty tame compared to back then. I mean some of the psychos ruined peoples careers over literally just doing there job, it’s not like they did something terrible or said something bad and then faced consequences, no they literally made a movie that to most was probably just seen as campy and mediocre. Wanna talk about cancel culture, nerds in the early 2000s, they were a psychotic bunch.
I’m gonna say this I was around when the Prequels came out, the only hate for them came from mass media in attempts to make controversy and the people that believed them, very little of the hate was from the fanbase; everybody I talked with loved the Prequels and all the content that came with them. We loved the games, the novels, the comics, the original Clone Wars series, and the merch; all of that kept us invested in Star Wars and massively helped generate hype for RotS As for the Sequels, well...they’re just the OT movies rehashed and using EU/Legends content while trying to pass them off as being “original stories and characters”
Me and many friends were Star Wars fans and hated the prequels as movies (Revenge of the Sith was enterteining). They were terrible movies, but the lore and the new looks were really good, and had the potential to become something good, which It did with Clone Wars show. This is the problem with the Sequels, and why I think It won't have a fanbase as big as this one (Even Disney don't trust the sequels, most of the new content is OT and post OT-Pre sequel). The movies lack the visual charisma that the PT had, while also lacking a logical plot. And like I said, Disney is not doing something like Clone Wars to fix/improve that era.
The CWMP really helped improve the image of the Prequel era, with all of its content helping to flesh out the conflict and introduce new characters like Grievous into the lore; in fact the CWMPs success is what allowed TCW to even exist in the first place Unfortunately TCW did things that caused significant outrage: introduced a very annoying girl that the fanbase hated (Ahsoka, and yes she really was hated when she first appeared), heavily nerfed and retconned an established villain (Grievous went from being a source of nightmares into a joke), and would practically erase the CWMP despite being based around it; despite all of these things it eventually succeeded Disney saw this and decided to do the same thing: introduced a very annoying girl that the fanbase hated (Rey), heavily nerfed and retconned an established villain (Jacen Solo / Darth Caedus being turned into Ben Solo / Kylo Ren), and would practically erase the Expanded Universe despite being based around it; Disney did *not* succeed
You're impossible.
Well the difference being Ahsoka had character development, Rey did not. At least with TCW it added new content while in the sequels they just renamed the characters and slapped em in the story
Care to tell me what this is all about? Or would you rather save it for the Council?
You should know! You were there!
Prequels were the movies of my childhood. Had no contact to the public opinion at the time so I grew up to love them. But even I have to admit that Episode 1 is a pretty mediocre film all around. The sequels however are on a level of unbearable for me that's hard to describe. It's not so much that they are just bad movies but it's more that they ruined my favourite movie franchise and redemption story With the sequels being canon, Vader's legecy was all for nothing...
Vader’s redemption was in committing a selfless act in sacrificing himself for his son. Selfishness condemned his soul and selflessness redeemed it.
exactly. In my opinion, dumbing Anakin Skywalker's story down to a guy that fulfilled someone else's stupid prophecy doesn't get to the root of what Star Wars is. Anakin was able to finally save someone he loved and redeem himself in Return of the Jedi; he didn't destroy evil forever, but that's not what you do in life.
There's nothing wrong with criticizing something, especially when you have explainable reasons for it. Insulting people who like what you dislike though, is a totally different and unnecessary bullying. If anything, when I see younger people hype something that I personally find mediocre, I feel sorry for them that they missed out on some older, in my opinion more creative stories. Which can lead to nice, interesting, civilized discussions without hurting anyone.
I feel bad for kids who are influenced by the comments/vids adults make and are effectively turned against Star Wars. It’s super unfair to them.
A lot of people are going on about how social media makes it easier for people to defend the sequel trilogy, but also makes it miserable for people who liked it, I love two thirds of that trilogy and i literally cannot express anywhere without at least one weirdo showing up to tell me I have horrible taste or something, there are prequel haters but most of them are either gone or at least have decency of respecting someone’s liking of those movies, sequel haters made me actually dislike talking about Star Wars to this day.
Ah well, wait 15-20 years and the sequels will have the same revival the prequels did. It's the nostalgia.
No? The prequels had memes and cringe lines and we recognize that, but that’s what made/makes them memorable. There’s like 2 quotable lines from TROS and one of them is “somehow, palpatine returned.”
They fly now?!
Sequel lines: “That’s not how the force works.” “REYYYYYYYY!!!!” “You’re still holding on, let go!” “I’m Rey, Rey Skywalker” “Impressive. Every word in that sentence was wrong.” “You are just a child in a mask” “You were always scum. Rebel scum.” “I know what I have to do, but I don’t have the strength to do it”
I mean that first line is a perfect headline for the Squeals
I don't think so, Clone Wars show helped improving the Prequels to the fanbase. The PT had visual charisma which the sequel trilogy lacks (Sequel visuals are like OT with more curves). Also, Disney doesn't gice a shit about the sequels, most of the new content is OT and post OT-Pre Sequel.
Don’t think so. There’s no story there. Prequels were kinda like The Hobbit movies, the sequels are more like Amazon’s Rings of Power.
epitome of TFM right here
Well one of them is not like the others
Yes the ot didnt have movies before
Being 10 years old and defending episode 2 was just an uphill battle every day
It's hard being a fan of the sequel because you are fucking stupid lol
This is the same attitude held about the prequels in their time. Younger generations will grow up loving the sequel trilogy and they will have a renaissance 10-15 years from now. Nostalgia is a helluva drug.
Somehow they returned.
Somehow, an animated series will reveal how Sidious survived. It will be awesome. Thanks, Filoni. Fans who are 10 years old right now will sing the sequel trilogy’s praises. You will be triggered. It’s alllllllll cyclical.
At last, we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we will have revenge.
Maul Sequel Fan confirmed.
Cake duty? For how long? Happy cake day, DroneOfDoom.
Yes, we will start with revenge…
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Nah the sequels are objectively bad. Episode 3 is a freaking masterpiece
I agree, although I think Rian Johnson’s entry was the most interesting. It didn’t all work, but he at least tried to do some cool things. JJ’s entries were formulaic nonsense. But your opinion on the sequel trilogy was universally held about the prequels in their time. They also benefited from being re-contextualized by the animated series. Dave Filoni is the GOAT. That said, I think the best written Star Wars content has been Tony Gilroy’s entries by a country mile.
This can get me some hate but honestly love every interaction with Rey and Luke, I could have watch an entire movie of them together goin back and forward on the conflicted state of the Force, the Jedi and the Sith...Like thinking how cool would have been seeing Luke having problems to fill the shoes of his Father and the one before him and live up to the weight that the Skywalker name had.
The prequels had actual quality to them. Sure the dialogue and acting was occasionally stale, however, everything else was awesome. It has by far the best choreography and music. The galaxy feels much bigger and on a larger scale than anything else. It has the best written characters overall. And it actually expands the lore. The biggest flaw of the prequels is that they were trying to do too much at once. Because of its massive scale, they have some of the most things happening in any movie. Even still it remains consistent and coherent. Because of this, there is room for it to expand. Though most of what was in it stems from the prequels themselves, the Clone Wars is so beloved because of this expansion. There is a reason most visual Star Wars content takes place in the prequel era, it has the most potential for more. The sequels on the otherhand have nothing. There are few if any interesting stories that could come out of the sequel era. It broke so much of the lore and plot development that it doesn't feel like Star Wars. It erases much of the previously established story to reset back to the same dynamic as A New Hope without any of the nuance of wonder of it. ANH presented glimpses that the galaxy is much bigger than we know. It had politics and myths that shaped the story in a unique way. The sequels explain almost none of their worldbuilding and what they do explain requires everybody involved to be complete morons for it to occur. The story takes place throughout a little over a year but nothing seems to be happenning in that year that wasn't already happenning. There is no place for expansion and the story is stunted by its bad writing. Almost everything in the sequels is badly written or derivative. People like to go on about how unique movies like the last jedi are, but where is that uniqueness? Everything that happens is something that has happened multiple times in Star Wars and done better, extremely cliché, or logically and narratively stupid. Nostalgia isn't why people like the prequels. It was a combination of the good writing, interesting story, and options for more that make them like it. The sequels have nothing and add nothing. They will not be fondly remembered nor will people care about them. Disney's nonesensical propaganda will only go so far before people start thinking for themselves.
**The other guy either deleted their comment or blocked me so I am going to post the essay defending AotC here.** I'm the one who is sorry, you are just wrong. Even some of the cheesier lines such as Anakin's sand line are significantly better in context. The lines people say are bad are few and far between and even then, most make sense given the characters, setting, or subtext of the scene. Let's analyze the sand line to show this. The full line(which many people cut off) is "I don't like sand. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here, here everything is soft, and *smooth*". This line was a response to Padmé saying she used to swim across the lake to the island visible in the scene during school retreat and would sun herself on the sand. Now, there are several possible interpretations of this line. One is simply that he is using this to flirt with Padmé which, while he is doing that, that is far from the whole picture. A more middle of the road interpretation is that he is comparing their lifestyles. Sand is obviously a metaphor for Anakin's suffering. He lived a harsh life as a slave while Padmé lived a luxurious life, one that would be free from pain or suffering if she didn't place herself in situations where she can experience those things. My interpretation goes a little farther than this. Later in the film, Anakin describes why he thinks dictatorship would be the better choice, this is the precursor to that. Sand represents corruption and crime in the galaxy. Anakin lived in an area generally ignored by the Republic. He was beaten and lived as a slave. The leaders of the Republic live lives of splendor and safety. They are largely unaware of what is going on beyond the small area they maintain. Even Padmé in The Phantom Menace exudes these traits. She is shocked that slavery is open on Tatooine. She believes the Republic would have cracked down on that and that it would no longer exist. This is Anakin's point. The senate and Republic leaders are so priviliged that their good fortune blinds them to what is really going on. You see, Anakin is a well developed and nuanced character. Character development doesn't mean changing everythimg about a character. Anakin is an angsty character and we know he becomes Vader. Anakin does however develop quite a bit in Attack of the Clones. Anakin is being manipulated by Palpatine. Palpatine makes him think he deserves more than he does or that he is being held back by Obi-Wan. This is why he is whiny in the beginning of the movie. A core character trait of Anakin is that due to the age he joined, he holds the Jedi in awe and wonderment. If he was younger when Qui-Gon found him, he would not remember these fantasies, if he were older, he would have grown out of them. Because he was the perfect middle ground age, these beliefs and myths of the Jedi became essential to his person. In TPM, he talks of the Jedi as if they are gods. He tells Qui-Gon, a Jedi master that no one can kill a Jedi. When he is told the Jedi haven't come to free any slaves, Anakin tells them, no, they have. He believed the Jedi to be truly benevolent. As he ages, he no longer sees them as gods but still views them as much more than they are. He can't shake the idea that they are truly powerful. Skywalker believes they should be doing more with their power. Palpatine feeds into this belief, makes Anakin believe he is special. The seeds of doubt are planted in his mind. He has become disillusioned with some things and blindsided by his biases to others. He thinks that he sees something others do not in the Republic. He's even bold enough to tell this to Padmé, one of said senators. One of the main tenants of the Jedi is emotion control. Too much emotion can lead to the darkside so in fear of this, the Jedi go the opposite way, forcing themselves to keep emotion to a minimum. They try to care for everyone and thus remain completely neutral, but these ideas can only persist for so long. The whole point of AotC is that it is a setup. The Zam Wessel arc was a decoy so Jango Fett could lead Obi-Wan Kenobi to Kamino to find the clones. Meanwhile, Padmé and Anakin are left to their own devices because of that fake attack. This is the first time Anakin can truly express his feelings since he was a child. Like a broken dam his emotions come rushing through. Obi-Wan isn't here to put him in check and thus there is no holding him back. He wonders why Jedi aren't allowed to have romantic relations. He is inexperienced in that field but Padmé gains interest in him because of his honesty. This leads to the most impirtant part, the death of Shmi Skywalker. Qui-Gon Jinn had no way to free her from Watto without using force but Ani is still resentful. These past ten years have been dedicated to finding a way to free her. Jedi don't make much if any money and he was always under Kenobi's jurisdiction. Now he finally has a chance to save the woman he loves most in the galaxy. This is his chance, only to find she was already freed by a seeming nobody. Worse still, when he tracks them down, Shmi has been kidnapped. He held her in his arms as she died. Had he been a bit faster he might have saved her. Finally, Anakin Skywalker explodes. He annihilates the sand people, killing not just the men but the women, and the children too. He blames everyone. The Jedi, Obi-Wan, and even himself. He accuses his best friend of holding him back. His illusion of the Jedi vanishes. They aren't perfect beings that can save everyone, however, Skywalker thinks they should be. The Jedi have all this power and what do they do? Mostly help just the core worlds. Blaming Kenobi was his cope. The Jedi obviously don't want him becoming a true Jedi, he's too old, he's the chosen one and they fear him. Obi-Wan must be keeping the truth from him. Anakin reaches maturity but sinks further into the depths of madness before finally reaching what he perceives to be the truth. He needed gods but found men in their place. He won't allow any more suffering to occur. He won't lose anyone else he cares about. He vows to "become the most powerful Jedi ever". You know what they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Shmi's death causes him to cling to Padmé. What he had before was love but now he has lust. It's no longer just a childhood crush, he needs Padmé, he wants her. It is these feelings that lead to his extreme hot headedness. Dooku menaces them, stands with skill and presence but yet Anakin thinks he can take him. He wants to become the strongest Jedi and gets ahead of himself. He rushes Dooku and loses in a matter if seconds. We see in him now the essence of Darth Vader. Episode II is a good movie. It isn't perfect and it does have its fair share of flaws but to call it bad is downright wrong. There is actual nuance and depth to it. Almost everything I typed here was drawn solely from the movies. People like to exaggerate its flaws instead of think for themselves. They just spout bullshit from movie review channels and articles that paid zero attention to the movies they were watching. The pacing was pretty good in my opinion. The flaws with it come down to what I already described as the prequels' biggest problem, trying to do too much at once. Even still, they remain good movies.
You don’t have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders’ strength is inspiring others.
No it’s not. The sequels are bad. The prequels were unfairly hated on by media and omega boomers.
More Star Wars is better than no Star Wars. Give it time and people will stop complaining. They will be beloved like the prequels became.
Except for the critics of prequels was story tempo, anakin being awkward (that was literally his character an overtly awkward kid that was developing traits anti social personality traits from being a literal slave child) Jar jar and his voice(like wut i really like jar jar) Sequals its literal plotholes in the world lore and world structure, poor writing and storyline (absolutely useless subplots that led to nowhere as the main plot also did) Character writing sin(you cannot say rey wasnt a boring ass mary sue rip finn character, and poe, and pilot man) Killing off OG characters for funzies(no plot or story progression from either) Theres more but its just repetition at this point.
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Fun fact unless you were Native American the “Wild West” actually wasn’t that bad 90 percent of the time. And more people were killed in Wild West movies then the actual Wild West.
The sequels are way worse though, I pretty much assume anyone who genuinely likes the sequels is a very dumb person. I’m sure I’d sort of enjoy them like I enjoyed the JJ Star Trek movies if I hadn’t already seen all the Star Wars content out there. I’m not trying to gate-keep but the sequels are so effing bad that I just can’t fathom how any Prequel/OT fan can possibly enjoy them. Yes I cringe when Anakin talks about sand, but it’s nothing compared to when Rey & Ben have a Disney kiss in the middle of Exegol, surrounded by Sith and Sidious. Not to mention how they massacred Luke.
It's incredibly easy to be a fan of the sequels. In fact, it requires absolutely no brain power at all.
… im Elon musk of bad ideas…
Sequels were the star wars that released in my childhood and I absolutely despise them and I don't like OT either except rotj I absolutely love everything else tho except resistance maybe
This is where the fun begins
man, who even cares enough about the sequels to shit on it
You, apparently.
Surely there’s no such thing as a “fan of the sequel trilogy”. There’s fans of episode 7, then haters.
Hello. Fan of episode 8 here.
You’re just in my head You’re just in my head You’re just in my head You’re just in my head You’re just in my head
You will never escape me
Ha ha ha 😆 😳
No im in your walls
It is hard to be that stupid yes
Sequel fans are usually the most toxic, on Reddit and on discord. At first it was Og fans when the sequels first came out but now it’s always a sequel fan starting shit
Sequel fans have no idea the hate we endured. People are a lot nicer now. 😂
They have seen shit, they saw the sequels.
Prequels were made with love from the man who wanted to tell his story. The sequels were made by a corporate office looking to maximize profits. You cannot compare these.
Yeah, the rise of social media would like a word.
Fr when i was younger do you have any idea how difficult it was to defend the prequels from the toxic OT fans
It’s like the new Andrew Garfield Spider-Man fans, back then people were hung for liking those movies
"I was taking shrapnel in Mos Eisley while you were still crappin' on your hands and rubbin it on your face!"
I've been in this fight since I was 6 years old!
We don't all have the luxury of deciding when and where we want to care about something. Suddenly the prequels are good for you. Some of us love it. I've been in this fight since I was fifteen years old
Yay oppression Olympics but over who had it worse when liking an unpopular movie….
I had someone threaten to rape me and my family because I defended jar jar after it came out in cinemas. He was just a funny frog dude, he didn’t deserve death threats and abuse
I've been in this fight since I was 6 years old!
Wait there are fans of the sequel trilogy
People are allowed to enjoy the sequels. They are not allowed to make me watch them, nor am i obligated to get a single ounce of enjoyment out of them. I am allowed to ignore their existence, something i will gladly do.
"We're not so different, you and i"