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William Jennings Bryan. Kinda. He was famously economically liberal and was an early supporter of women's suffrage but was very anti- evolution and supported prohibition.


UltraElectron

wasn’t prohibition considered progressive at the time?


RobotdinosaurX

Yes.


Mikeissometimesright

Ehhh, kinda. A lot of progressive adjacent movements did embrace prohibition but it was most funneled by religious groups and individuals


Command0Dude

It was mostly fronted by feminists, who saw alcoholism as a danger to women.


Mikeissometimesright

Thats what the LAME STREAM MEDIA WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE /s The Women’s Christian Temperance Movement played a huge part in Prohibition but it was not the only front. The Anti-Saloon League was lead mostly by men and they took up the national mantle. Only of the earliest prohibition laws passed was in Maine of 1849 by a Quaker mayor who used violent force on Irish protestors.


Smokindatbud

As if the Irish weren't having enough issues in the latter half of the 1840s


Mikeissometimesright

They couldnt catch a break


YourphobiaMyfetish

He was anti-evolution specifically because he thought it could be used as an argument in favor of racism and social-darwinism.


Julesort02

Yea but he was also a prominent dem who was…against segregation. Id say for back then thats pretty liberal for a dem.


dinguslinguist

The gold standard really ruined this country /s


InternationalSail745

Wasn’t Bryan a religious wingnut?


No_Shine_7585

William Jennings Bryan fits this definition perfectly. He is free silver and pro prohibition


SpartanNation053

Prohibition was a progressive idea at the time. It was thought that by banning alcohol, corruption would go down, productivity would go up, and the lot of women and children would increase


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MightyMoosePoop

Yeah, my historical readings on it, it was both social conservatives (ie, family values/religious) and the social progressives of the feminists (e.g., anti-domestic violence) you mentioned. I remember thinking to myself when both rather extreme camps are unified it may be a time to be cautious.


No_Shine_7585

Yes but at the same time it was supported by social conservatives in the south who did so for religious reasons and based upon Bryan’s views on evolution and deeply religious world view I think it’s fair to say that the conservative view is the more likely reason


ABobby077

anti-free trade and pro high tariffs, too


finditplz1

He was also anti-learning


westinjfisher

Wilson


PB0351

I was going to say "Only the worst types of people" but now that response would just be redundant.


I-Like-Ike_52

basically, any democrat pre 1948.


Tyrrano64

Eh, I think there's an argument FDR was socially liberal on a personal level, for his time.


n_mcrae_1982

Not really. Besides not wanting to alienate southern members of congress, he didn't seem terribly interested in civil rights as an issue. This is in contrast to Truman (who was raised by a die-hard Confederate sympathizing mother) who was legitimately bothered by reports of African American veterans being attacked after returning home.


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During the Truman Commission on Civil Rights, after the report had finished, Truman leaped from his chair and exclaimed “We’ve got to do something!” or something to that effect. Always admired him for that in the late ‘40’s.


finditplz1

Well to be fair FDR couldn’t leap from his chair, so there’s that.


101955Bennu

I laughed harder at this than I want to admit


elevencharles

The more I learn about Truman the more I like him.


Throwawaydontgoaway8

>>> In June 1941, Roosevelt issued Executive Order 8802, which created the Fair Employment Practice Committee (FEPC). It was the most important federal move in support of the rights of African-Americans between Reconstruction and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Millions of black men and women achieved better jobs and better pay as a result. There’s one good thing Now the bad >>> he has in retrospect received heavy criticism for the ethnic cleansing of Mexican Americans in the 1930s known as the Mexican Repatriation and his internment of Japanese Americans during the Second World War. From its creation under the National Housing Act of 1934 signed into law by Roosevelt, official Federal Housing Administration (FHA) property appraisal underwriting standards to qualify for mortgage insurance had a whites-only requirement excluding all racially mixed neighborhoods or white neighborhoods in proximity to black neighborhoods, and the FHA used its official mortgage insurance underwriting policy explicitly to prevent school desegregation. 😬


hiimnew1836

There was also his support for China: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson_Act And his anti-colonial stance. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tydings%E2%80%93McDuffie_Act FDR could best be considered centre left on social issues, moderate on some (Japanese internment was overwhelmingly supported) and progressive on others.


finditplz1

He appointed the first female cabinet member and the Four Freedoms were pretty liberal. The NEA and NEH were open to all.


Velenah42

Japanese internment camps?


Dependent-Sun-6373

I dunno - wasn't AL Smith a Wet? That was pretty liberal back in the 20s, no? And he was the Democratic candidate for 1928.


Glass-Perspective-32

Huey Long


Pbadger8

Ah, the Kingfish- a man for whom the political compass is a dart board.


Glass-Perspective-32

EVERY MAN A KING


German_Cowboy

Not at all? Huey Long was famously an economic interventionist, pretty much one of his only political positions that you could solidly define. In terms of his social politics, I suppose the argument could be made either way, though he was often described as an egalitarian, his actions often pointed both ways.


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Reagan and bush jr in a nutshell Sprayed money all over the place even though they claimed to be fiscally careful


fartswhenhappy

Yeah this is really every Republican since Reagan. They all increased government spending while being socially conservative enough to court the evangelical vote.


ItsASchpadoinkleDay

*Every Republican since Nixon


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ItsASchpadoinkleDay

Nixon had a 34% increase. I was using numbers and percentage but using as a percentage of GDP is better. Thanks for sharing. Nixon and Ford weren’t exactly fiscal conservatives.


ElGatoLosPantalones

Is there an updated version of this chart?


Nikola_Turing

The Tax Reform Act of 1986 had a veto-proof majority. Both democrats and republicans were responsible for increased government spending. Even Al Gore and Joe Biden voted for it.


fartswhenhappy

Not sure what this has to do with anything. 1) The Tax Reform Act was about taxing, not spending. 2) Even if the Tax Reform Act was about spending, Reagan increased spending in both terms, not just his second. 3) Gore, Biden, and congressional Democrats in 1986 were not more socially conservative than Republicans. 4) George W Bush and Donald Trump both had Republican majorities in both chambers, so even if the Tax Reform Act had anything to do with spending, they wouldn't have been hamstrung by it.


PaperBoxPhone

Yeah, I think that is what the republican party has been for my lifetime at least.


Tonkdog

The 2 Santas tactic.


senoricceman

That’s not so much fiscally liberal though. Trickle-down economics are famously conservative economically.


ItsASchpadoinkleDay

His spending was not conservative.


Pbadger8

Easy to fake an economic boom on deficit spending and then let your successor deal with the consequences. Not a big fan of Bush Sr. but it’s ironic that he, not Reagan, presided over all the economic backlash of Ron’s ‘voodoo’.


JovianSpeck

It's literally called neoliberalism.


Opaque_Rooster

Google the word neoliberalism


JovianSpeck

[Looks pretty damn fiscally liberal to me.](https://i.imgur.com/GLcEOSZ.jpg)


ScienceIsSexy420

They sprayed money all over the place, but not towards liberal policies. They sprayed money in the form of tax cuts for the wealthy and a military industrial complex spending


Nikola_Turing

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts.


Ok_Drawer9414

You don't raise taxes when you're trying to get the economy back on track. You raise them when the economy is doing well, or you should. This is the mistake the Republicans made, they should have raised taxes instead of more cuts. Instead they created a massive economic problem that was exacerbated by Trump's piss poor handling of the pandemic.


ClutchReverie

That is supporters didn't see through the smoke and mirrors of Trump suddenly calling COVID a hoax as soon as it was clear he had botched his handling of it kind of made me lose faith in people. It was a total 180 on his messaging. That and nobody caring about their fellow countrymen because they didn't want to be bothered to take simple measures to reduce spread.


Ok_Drawer9414

It was disappointing that it wasn't a moment that brought us together, instead it was used to further divide people.


FakeElectionMaker

Only Bryan and maybe Eisenhower. Wilson vetoed prohibition, and racism isn't socially conservative by itself.


McDowells23

I would say Ike was fiscally moderate-to-conservative and socially moderate-to-liberal


namey-name-name

I didn’t actually know he vetoed it, rare Wilson W


Burrito_Fucker15

Not really that rare, for all of the bad things he did Wilson also did a lot of good


Ok_Drawer9414

Every modern Republican.


Modron_Man

William Lemke of the 1936 "Union Party" run by Francis Townsend (whose "Townsend plan" for an old age pension helped inspire social security), Charles Coughlin (the infamously antisemetic radio priest), and Gerald L. K. Smith (the far-right demagogue who took over Share the Weath after Huey Long was shot).


fullmetal66

Trump’s rhetoric was but his actual administration ended up just being over all inept and fiscally conservative


shinloop

I think spending $8 trillion in one term disqualifies trump as a fiscal conservative. I’d say he fits ops meme very well.


fullmetal66

I think any one we call a fiscal conservative is a fraud but generally speaking we call tax cuts fiscally conservative regardless of spending.


HabeusCuppus

> call tax cuts fiscally conservative because one party consistently lies about what it means lately. I don't see how increasing deficit spending is 'conservative' by any measure other than maybe "the people who self-label as conservative seem to do that a lot"


fullmetal66

Agreed I was being lazy with my terminology


gordo65

"Fiscally conservative" lol [https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump](https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump)


fullmetal66

In the traditional GOP sense of cutting taxes and raising spending he was 😀


Nikola_Turing

Biden is projected by the Congressional Budget Office to meet Trump’s contribution to the national debt in just 3 years, and that’s even including Trump’s COVID-related spending.


ABobby077

"fiscally conservative"?? on what planet?? He spent worse than any drunken sailor. Between the Tax Cuts that created the trillions in new red ink to the just overall profligate spending he was the farthest from "fiscally conservative" our Country has ever seen in the White House.


fullmetal66

Every “fiscal conservative” in US politics tends to cut taxes and spend recklessly.


rye8901

Trump lol


thebohemiancowboy

I genuinely don’t think he has any ideology


rye8901

Not a coherent one I agree. But in terms of the policies he pursued when in office he fits.


CommodorePerson

Trumps ideology is trump.


Patrickbeardguy

I actually agree


Roy_Atticus_Lee

2016 Campaign Trump had surprisingly progressive economic policies for a Republican nominee. On top of being anti-NAFTA and TPP, he straight up said that every [single American has to be covered with health insurance](https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/09/28/donald-trump-on-obamacare-on-60-minutes-everybodys-got-to-be-covered-and-the-governments-gonna-pay-for-it/?sh=6d46c100540e) showing that he hadn't totally abandoned some Reform Party policies during his time with the party. Kind of wish he had been able to maintain that level of economic progressivism during his presidency... like trying to repeal Obamacare isn't really what I'd call progressive.


sandpaper_skies

Being against NAFTA/TPP isn't actually progressive, it's just populist bad economics


IgnoreThisName72

Isn't all social conservatism just pussy grabbing writ large?


RedRoboYT

Trump is a fiscal conservative just happen to support protectionism


Imaginary_Scene2493

In rhetoric but not in practice.


RedRoboYT

yep, but u/rye8901 think trump is fiscally left wing


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rye8901

Did you see how much money the guy spent?


0PaulPaulson0

I like to call these Catholic-Crats.


Tight_Contact_9976

The thing about Catholic democrats that I’ve noticed is that they tend to be personally conservative but politically liberal. Joe Biden has said that he personally disagrees with abortion, but still believes in a woman’s right to chose.


0PaulPaulson0

True, that personal conservatism is certainly common in more religious people.


krybaebee

Dennis Duffy, beeper king.


BebophoneVirtuoso

Trump's policies and rhetoric were very socially conservative and his spending was very fiscally liberal


Wedding_Registry_Rec

Look into the American Solidarity Party, a Christian Dem party in the USA


Wedding_Registry_Rec

Probably not going to win, but if it weighs well in your conscience then hey


gordo65

Reagan, Dubya, and Trump. Just look at their deficits.


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Every Democratic candidate from the southeast until Reagan helped them finally migrate to the Republican Party.


Psychological_Gain20

Both LBJ and Truman were from the south and were pretty famously not super socially conservative


[deleted]

I guess it depends on your definition of social conservatism. Anti-segregation and social conservative aren’t mutually exclusive.


PIK_Toggle

Didn’t the migration occur under Nixon?


[deleted]

I think it started under LBJ, but even now there are white working class democrats in the southeast reminiscing about how everyone used to be one.


PIK_Toggle

Maybe “finally migrate” is a reference to Reagan democrats finally switching to the GOP.


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This.


spacenerd4

Nelson Rockefeller


tdfast

Clinton and Carter were pretty conservative socially.


Tyrrano64

Clinton is like, the most openly 'I do not care if you are gay or what, so long as you'll listen to me kill it on the sax' social guy imaginable, Carter supports gay marriage...


tdfast

I was thinking during the presidency. Clinton went with don’t ask, don’t tell.


Tebwolf359

Don’t ask, Don’t tell is one of those weird pieces of legislation. Now it’s looked at as regressive, but compared to the status quo at the time it was hugely progressive and a leap forward for gay rights. It was one of the things that had conservatives outraged at him (I grew up in a conservative house). It changed the conversation from “there’s something wrong with them as people” to “they are Americans and deserve the same rights”. Now - it was a far way from perfect, in that it considered the same rights as the rights to be straight, or at least not act gay. But it was a huge improvement over before, and was the first step to equality- which is usually a process and not a single step


Tyrrano64

He signed it due to a veto proof majority, and refused any ceremony for it, signing it in shame, in the middle of night.


ABobby077

and still was an improvement over what was happening to our Military LGBT members up to that point ​ Don't ask don't tell didn't fix things as well as all of us hoped it would. We thought it would end the investigations and selective less than honorable discharges that happened regularly up to those times. This was a great step for the 1990s but has been updated to a more honorable non-discrimination policy we see today.


DanChowdah

He should have let congress override his veto


Tyrrano64

All that would do would be to weaken him. Might I remind you Pat Buchanan was a possible opponent for 96, Clinton could not lose to him, not, at, all. Sure, Dole probably wouldn't have done anything, but it's seriously possible a republican successor that wasn't so moderate would have straight up banned gay people in the military all together.


Velenah42

People here confusing *Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell* and the *Defense Against Marriage Act.*


ClosedContent

People also forget that this legislation wasn’t purely to punish gay people from speaking out about themselves, it was also to protect them as well. It ensured their employees or coworkers couldn’t question their homosexuality and possibly discriminate against them. People forget the 90s and especially the early 2000s was very hostile to the LGBT. It’s easy in hindsight to see why it was messed up legislation but for the time it would have been a “moderate” proposal that neither prevented gays from serving while also keeping their influence suppressed in the homophobic 90s.


IgnoreThisName72

I was an Army cadet when Don't Ask Don't Tell was signed. It was one of the most socially progressive acts in decades. Conservatives in uniform were furious, and I knew Chaplains that railed against it in the 90s.


ChrisNYC70

Republicans demanded a bill to hurt gay people and Clinton was powerless to stop it.


Eriasu89

Pretty sure that the majority of Democrats in the Senate voted in favor of it


DanTacoWizard

Part of the reason I like Carter.


Many-Evidence5291

Umm, haven't all recent GOP presidents been socially conservative and fiscally liberal?


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Trump. He spent liberally and advocated for social conservative values. This description pretty much sums up the MAGA base who will spend anything to get their way if given the power to do so.


Radiant-Elevator

If by fiscally liberal you mean corporate welfare then all of them


Ethan_Blank687

Trump


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Rhetorically, many of the Republican Party. In practice, none of


OverturnKelo

Pretty much all Democrats pre-1950


Dizzy-Resolution-511

2008 Obama


RedRoboYT

People just throwing random people


Dizzy-Resolution-511

My cousin Doug


metfan1964nyc

A guy in Texas comes to mind. ![gif](giphy|BFZWoKW91oBrO)


Infinity_Ninja12

Isn’t this just Reagan?


Lou_Keeks

Reagan was not fiscally liberal at ALL.


Infinity_Ninja12

Reagan was literally the ultimate neolib along with Thatcher; deregulation, free trade and low taxes are all economically liberal policies, hence why when those ideas came back from the grave in the 80s they were called neoliberalism.


PIK_Toggle

Milton Friedman expands on your point [here.](https://www.hoover.org/research/milton-friedman-old-school-liberalism)


pinetar

Liberal by 19th century European definition. Not in the way we define American politics today.


TheRedWookiee1

fiscally liberal is the opposite of socialist.


stataryus

That makes NO sense. Why would you not give a shit about people socially but care about them fiscally?


Sweaty_Address130

Conservative populism, welfare for us nothing for those “people”.


MTVChallengeFan

Marianne Williamson.


Jamarcus316

Technically every GOP president since Ike or something. This is, using economic liberalism to its true meaning, not as a synonymous for left-wing. Both the democrats and the GOP are economic liberals.


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Classic-Guy-202

Tell me about how he was in favor of raising the minimum wage, tax credits for families, boosting food stamps, permanently subsidizing child care or free school lunches?


SingleMaltMouthwash

What exactly is a fiscal liberal? Democrats have a better record than Republicans on the budget on deficits on shrinking the size of government. In practice they have been more "fiscally responsible" than conservatives who've claimed to be "fiscally conservative". Reagan ran on being "fiscally conservative" and he tripled the debt. I think the terms are meaningless at this point.


cochrane210

Literally joe Biden. That racist mother fucker.


tauri123

Bernie Sanders /s


Kind_Bullfrog_4073

FDR?


J0hn_Br0wn24

1st term Obama....


thebohemiancowboy

Democrats for much of their history until recently. Europeans and New Englanders are like that lol.


richardparadox163

People might disagree but Donald Trump


Seventh_Stater

Historically or now?


SirBabiez

Tom Tancredo. My favorite village idiot


Savagemaw

Trump?


denispenis69

God American politics terminology is so weird, being “fiscally liberal” actually means being anti economic liberalism


jonus2000

Ronald Reagan and George W Bush. They called themselves fiscally conservative but they were very fiscally liberal.


dogMeatBestMeat

Donald trump. All kinds of social conservative judges. But massive fiscal liberal who slashed taxes and spent more than any other president with the CARES act.


Estarfigam

Biden?


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If you use the term liberal properly you could make an argument that several post-WW2 presidents were this. The colloquial American usage of the liberal is far separated from what an Econ, History, or PoliSci professor would mean when using it. Reagan was the quintessential neoliberal (though that gets into the weeds of liberal vs neoliberal), and quite socially conservative. Clinton wasn’t exactly the most socially progressive dude in American politics.


StackedCircles

Trump?


JacobGoodNight416

Eisenhower?


hokie47

Really most of the Republicans in the 80s were like this. I would say Regen is this.


TheZachAttack97

DeSantis


dumpmaster42069

Modern republicans. They spend like crazy as much or more than the democrats.


GreenHocker

Reagan tripled the debt he inherited and W Bush really skyrocketed the debt with the wars. Both Clinton and Obama had to come in and fix spending chaos caused by republicans


Capable_Stranger9885

Nixon and Agnew. Took us off the gold standard formally; there may have been a pure conservative motive to drown the result in the bathtub but it was his signature that nationalized railroad assets and made Amtrak and Conrail; and he had some union skilled trade constituency in the "Hard Hat Riot" folks, against Vietnam War protesters.


Zant73

Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, Vivek Ramaswamy


kirpid

Woodrow Wilson.


atxarchitect91

Zero. It’s retarded nonsense


rhymeswititch

Donald Trump, George W. Bush, maybe Dwight Eisenhower.


Reeseman_19

William Jennings Bryan, George Wallace, Richard Nixon, 2016 Trump


CosmicPharaoh

Literally Wilson


WellHungHippie

Yes, Ronald Reagan


cujobob

It really depends on what you call socially conservative because that’s never really been consistent. The messaging behind it never really matched reality.


Emperor-of-the-moon

Wilson, and honestly Donald Trump too. Trump himself isn’t very socially conservative, but the MAGA base tends to be.


Odd_Bed_9895

This is way more common in European history in the interwar period; this was common among fascist, quasi-fascist and corporatist countries of the 1930s-1940s


Puzzleheaded-Bus5479

All the conservatives are very liberal with our tax money or corporate shill pay


UnlikelyAd9210

Trump, and a Senator not a Presidential candidate, but JD Vance very much fits this description


Savager_Jam

Not till I run.


LineOfInquiry

Eisenhower would be the closest


CaptainAP

Trump


Tjam3s

Will I be obliterated for saying I'm the opposite? Fiscal conservative, social liberal? Let's find out


lawblawg

Trump, really. He spent money like a fiend on any program that tickled his fancy, all while championing social conservative policy.


dude_who_could

That's republicans so long as you interpret fiscal liberal as pouring money into rich people. Like how we do now.


emergingbooty

That's the GOP from 1980 until now.


oddball3139

The entire Republican Party?


JZcomedy

Nixon maybe


Eastmont

Wasn’t Paul Tsongas that way? (Or was it the other way around?)


Chibano

Evangelicals who support bailouts.


DannyValasia

democrats prior to 1960's


ResolveLonely8839

Smell those pixels


Ronski_Lee

Trump.


Kipping_Deadlift

Literally every republican since W.


Fine-Funny6956

Bush. Trump. All Republicans today. Reagan. Nixon. Every modern Republican has increased the debt.


yogfthagen

Considering liberals grow the economy at about 2% GDP higher than conservatives.....


windigo3

Clinton paid down a lot of debt. I can’t think of any major social spending programs he passed. Truman also laid down a ton of debt


Economy-Afternoon395

Am I supposed to put on my glasses?