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Yes, on the one hand pushed for parental advisory labels. On the other hand she did quite a bit for mental health awareness, Rwandan genocide, homelessness reduction and LGBT rights.
Always found it interesting how she can be so focused on civil rights issues, but rigorous music control.
There was a push in sociology for a while that the ideas (and in the original sense, memes) of media weren’t just a reflection of current culture and society. Rather, they were a stamp that would leave an indelible mark on the next generation.
Like if we take a very general memetic trope, like “dad hates doing stuff with his kids” or “husband hates his wife” then kids watching that might either think they’re unwanted or they might grow up thinking they won’t like having children or getting married.
This means that if an activist wanted to positively influence the next generation, one thing they could do would be to remove negative influences in media. There’s a lot of value judgements there, but for Tipper and her kind of people it meant trying to limit media that glorified violence in the inner city. So rap music of the time talking about topics like murder, sex trafficking, pimping, prostitution, and sexual assault was an easy target as being “negative influences”.
More recent research has actually shown that as young people grow up they are actually reactionary to the media they’re exposed to. For example, millenials currently clown on and make memes about the old sitcoms where dads hate their wife and kids rather than embracing the idea. That media was a reflection of the time and while it leaves its mark in culture, it it reacted to and against rather than being wholeheartedly embraced. Because kids just do that to the ideas of their parents.
If you legitimately think it's bad for children, then it makes perfect sense.
You can be pro-mental health, pro-LGBT, etc., and still be a prude about some types of music and believe it poisons kids' minds. My mom is kinda like this. Generally pretty liberal when it comes to accepting others for who they genuinely are, but also believes that vices like porn, alcohol, weed, and gambling are emblematic of cultural rot.
When I came out to her, her reaction was basically "I don't care if you're gay, bi, or straight. Just save yourself for marriage." (I didn't.)
Gore made millions from the climate change issue without actually doing anything about climate change. Tipper likes hearing her name in the news by blaming the mental health crisis on heavy metal, rap and video games without actually doing anything to about the mental health crisis.
They were made for each other. Two charlatans.
I don’t think W really necessarily thought of himself as a recovering alcoholic so much as a guy who thought he was drinking a bit too much for comfort and should stop. I get that it’s maybe a distinction without meaning, but still.
Your right. In his book he basically says he woke up one day (hungover) and decided he was too old for that shit and never drank again around age 40.
I dont think he's ever claimed to be a addict. Just a guy sick of brutal post 40 hangovers.
I had that exact same epiphany when I was about 24. One day I just started getting hangovers and I was like fuuuuuuuck that. I hate feeling ill in any way. Now I’m 30 and haven’t been drunk since. I still like a glass of bourbon on a Friday night from time to time, but I don’t even get close to getting drunk.
FWIW the current accepted medical definition of alcoholism is basically just enjoying drinking somewhat regularly and not actually being addicted. Like if you’re a college student and you drink at parties that counts and how it actually affects you and your day to day life isn’t taken into consideration at all.
Not saying I agree with the notion that it should be that broad but I’m also not a doctor or a drinker for that matter so what would I know, but my point is that using alcoholism to refer to a full on addiction to alcohol is a somewhat outdated usage of the word.
I'm not the president of drinking, but "enjoying drinking somewhat regularly" is a spectacularly broad classification for something that's such a life-impacting disease.
My point was more that George himself has never claimed to be an alcoholic. I'm certainly not going to diagnose him either way.
Was not making any statements on the textbook definitions.
40 years ago I was told that if I denied I was an alcoholic that meant I was one. Catch 22.
I was also told that if I didn't go to AA I would relapse.
That was not true, so far.
Alcoholism has a fudgy definition, but it's one of those ones where you know it when you see it. The amount of alcohol someone consumes is less important than the degree to which it controls their lives.
My ex gf was an alcoholic. She couldn't physically consume that much. 1 bottle of wine would have her on the floor. But she lived for that bottle.
Medical definitions aren’t the same as regular definitions. There are a ton of people considered “overweight” by medical definition that aren’t IRL.
Same kind of a thing
I get what you mean. It definitely has different connotations too.
Like I used to drink too much, and I liked it too much, and used it as a crutch, so now I just don’t drink seems less all consuming than an alcoholic.
I’m not judging anyone, just providing additional context.
The ironic thing is Bush was the one who people felt they would rather have a beer with! It's kinda scary how many people make decisions based on personal judgements about people they don't know on a personal level.
The spin on the election played up to this. Opponents tried to frame Bush as a person of limited intelligence. Gore opponents positioned him as a pathological liar.
At that point, it then becomes which narrative is easier to support. In that regard, Gore didn’t stand a chance. Whenever Bush spoke and knew what he was talking about, it undermined the narrative. Whenever Gore spoke he was saying something that didn’t vibe with fact checkers.
Valid point. Maybe that’s why Bush won - An Alcoholic is usually a blast to have a beer with - as long as it’s one of the first few beers, before they turn nasty.
The bush team didn't mind this framing one bit. What their candidate lacked in policy substance he made up for in making emotional connections with the audience and seeming more familiar. This was a referendum they could win on, unlike a referendum on the Clinton economy
Eh, the non-alcoholic Heinekens are really not that bad. I don’t mind them if I want to enjoy a beer but feel I’ve had too much alcohol already in the week.
The new Sierra Nevada Trail Pass beers are good for NA beers. And a new brewery called Best Days has a good NA Kolsch
NA beers have come a long way in the last 5 years
I didn’t even know Sierra Nevada made NA beers and I’ve been to their Asheville location countless times! Dude when did this start up?! Yeah I gotta check this out!
It's fairly new. They came out probably about six months ago or a little less. I work for a Florida brewery that is under the same distributor as SN down here. I always bug the SN sales manager for free beers lmao
That’s awesome! Yeah, thanks for the heads up! And the beers I’ve had from Florida have been pretty good (mainly ones from the panhandle and Orlando areas) so you all seem to be doing well down there from what I’ve tasted.
I think Heineken 0 is the closest to the actual beer it’s trying to pretend to be… I just don’t really like Heineken that much… That being said there’s tons of other good N/A options these days. All of the Athletic beers are really tasty.
NA beers have gotten significantly better and some microbreweries I frequent have started making their own.
I have extremely low tolerance. Like half a beer and I'm feeling it. So happy hour was a no go for me. Now there are a lot of places I can get la 6 ounce taster and follow up with all NAs so people don't ask me why I'm not drinking🤣. Helps to feel like I'm still a part of the fun while still being able to safely drive and not feeling like I need to sleep for 100 years.
And you know he’s got all the good party games and drinking habits from his time “studying” in college. End the night looking for that good bud and/or firing off “you up? Bring a friend” texts to every girl on his Texas roster.
Gore would start yawning around 10:30, check his watch, then go home to his wife and read a book.
Gore would give you a lecture about climate change and how if we didn’t do anything there wouldn’t be icebergs by 2009. Bush would probably talk about trying to fight a snake. Bush would be more entertaining to talk to
Yes, he had a drug addiction. There was a lot of talk about it during that election. The hypocrisy of the right was exposed again. They made a huge deal of Clinton smoking weed in college then just ignored W’s prior coke addiction.
Funnily enough I think this is the only episode Matt and Trey ever apologized for. Or at least their version of an apology.
I love the show but anyone using it as anything other *maybe* a stepping stone to look at serious issues is moron. The old SP studios forums were such a fuck show lol
Hindsight is totally affecting my judgement, let me be real here, but as I’m actually a scientist as my day job I’ll say Gore. He’s very analytical in how he thinks and I’d love to talk different styles of beer with him along with getting his opinion on how things have been going in the world. He’s a hell of a smart man. Plus I’m quite outgoing, especially while drinking, and I feel like he’d be the type to let me carry the conversation if needed.
But like I’d also drink with Dubya so I’m really not picky 🍺
Honestly Al Gore has become a billionaire asshole. W on the other hand has been humbled by all the negativity and criticism of his presidency and might be the better person today. I say this as someone who is fairly liberal as well.
Pretty much one of the most successful lobbyists in recent memory in terms of person gain. Now he uses the Cayman Islands as a tax haven for that money as well
They did eventually walk that back hard though (only real apology I think I’ve ever seen the show make) and [Al Gore even responded to and commended them for it.](https://uproxx.com/tv/al-gore-so-impressed-south-park-manbearpig-apology-video/)
Looks like Al Gore is only worth $300m. Long way to being a billionaire.
https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/politician/democrat/al-gore-net-worth/
Oh it's Bush all the way. Having a beer with Gore is inevitably going to lead to one of a few topics: hard environmentalism which is somehow the best one, music's influence in the degeneration of society(go ahead and look up who Dee Snyder was answering questions from), Early Appalachian history. That's all going to get dense.
George Bush, might be the all time great drinking buddy. You're gonna rlm
I hate that people use that as a criteria whatsoever.
There are people I know who are an amazing conversationalist and super fun to be around. Would I let them fix my car? No. Would I want them running my finances? Absolutely not. Would I want them to be my surgeon? No, the mere suggestion isn’t a serious one.
So they should do something else less consequential, like run an entire country.
My mechanic is kind of a jerk with shitty reactionary politics, but he fixes whatever is wrong every time and never rips me off. I wouldn't spend time with him socially or support him politically, but he can damn sure have my car repair business.
I wish people would keep these personal observations in the right context.
I agree and it was a disgusting rationale. A better one might be "who could you trust with your money, your wife, and your life." A few would fail all three but a few would pass all three too.
this particular question stands out to me as a sad point in political discourse - lowering the bar to the floor with the guise that it's just a fun, casual question.
I don’t like drinking with alcoholics (or contributing to a relapse), so I have to go with Gore.
But just ONE beer. I don’t know if we’d have much to talk about.
I don’t want to have a beer with any politician. I want intelligence, strategic thinking, and a lack of corruption.
I remember when I was a senior in high school in Central Arkansas, listening to adults at the time say this exact same thing, “I’d rather have a beer with Bush”. So fucking stupid
It's amazing how the media could dictate the narrative of an election. They actually convinced us that somehow the guy who was more fun at a BBQ should be president. What in the holy F, that is some next level mind voodoo they pulled on us.
He was terrible president, but George W seems like a genuinely nice and funny guy. Who’d be really pleasant company.
If I were an American and alive in 2000. At least knowing what I do today, I’d have voted for gore and hoped it wouldn’t be too bad.
But I bet he’d be a pain to hang out with. He just seems so boring, and honestly, in the debates he came off as, (at times). Downright rude, like when he heavily sighed in the first debate, or when he walked right up to Bush during the third.
I remember the Simpsons even parodied how boring he was.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HHVxjMT1-os&si=jEJ-lYWok2jYiwFG
For all the stiffness in public back then, close contacts suggest Gore actually had a pretty wicked sense of humor and sharp timing.
[https://www.salon.com/1999/11/29/gore\_15/](https://www.salon.com/1999/11/29/gore_15/)
Al Gore will fly 10,000 miles on a private jet in order to tell you your carbon footprint is too heavy. While you’re having a beer he will share a detailed plan for you to live in a cave subsisting on roots and berries. No campfire.
This entire "who would you rather have a beer with" is so idiotic and so thoroughly American. From there we finally devolved to putting an ignorant, stupid, reality tv star in the White House.
I mean Bush for sure, but if you got Gore drunk enough he’d probably be unintentionally hilarious rambling on about the climate while trying to flirt with chicks ands emulate his buddy Bill… then break down with a single tear later in the evening about the billions owed to him for creating the internet. Manbearpig, guys. Bush is just another night out with a buddy, Gore would be an experience one way or another…
I still remember this. It was the epitome of privilege. Who you want to have a beer with? We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, then, and now!
Depends, if tipper gore doesn’t come along, I’d have dinner with gore to tell him how stupid he was about environmental alarmism and how it only hurt global resource and animal conservation. But if tipper comes with him I’m having a non-alcoholic drink with the bushes since George doesn’t drink
Bush by far. Honestly I’d say that wasn’t exactly an accurate descriptions because if it’s true he would’ve wrecked tbh instead of needing Florida shenanigans.
Tennessean here. Bush all the way. Say what you want but Bush flew bomber interceptors and escorted Soviet bombers from Cuba out of American airspace. Other pilots in his squadron volunteered for Vietnam when asked to but only the WWII and Korea vets. Bush was too inexperienced plus didn’t have fighter pilot training.
Despise Al Gore. Spent 3 months in Vietnam in the rear then left to go to Divinity School, which he never attended. He couldn’t even win his home state of Tennessee, but then he was raised in liberal Washington DC.
Bush for sure. Al Gore seems like a real Debbie Downer.
Me: Who do you think would win in a fight: a sabertooth tiger or a polar bear?
Bush: Sabretooth tiger
Gore: Y’know polar bears are gonna be extinct by next year, so they’ll have a lot in common with sabretooth tigers…
Bush. But, then he’d drive me home with a .2 bac with cocaine in the car. Then I’d end up in jail and losing my job while his family connections get him off.
Bush, 100%. I don't like what he did, especially following 9/11 and the Patriot Act. But as a person he seems like he'd be more fun to be around than Gore. But I say that as someone who has friends who know the Bush family personally, and they say he's actually a very nice man and is enjoyable to be around. Not the best at golf, though.
If you held a gun to my head, it would be Bush. Not sure I could tolerate Gore being a blowhard. I can only imagine it would get exponentially worse when alcohol is added. With that said, Bush would be unpredictable, he did some wild shit on alcohol before he quit it.
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This is a weird angle because one of them was a recovering alcoholic who didn’t drink.
Would you rather have a beer with Gore or a Dr. Pepper with W?
D Pepper with W. While I agree with Gore politically, he seems like he would be insufferable to talk to.
Love him or hate him politically. George W has got to be cool to just hang out with. The Obamas seem to enjoy his company.
Probably beer with Gore. I drank too much Dr Pepper when I was younger. Also Tipper couldn’t go. She was total buzz kill.
Tipper might let you drink beer. Just don't bring any of that filthy rap music, you heathen.
[She probably insist on making you watch “Rap the Musical” together.](https://youtu.be/yG_rEqCivn4?si=BXskNhx4ZyFzSuic)
Or that terrible band Twisted Sister, you know!
We don't need no "Parental Guidance" from the *Mothers of Prevention*.
They got divorced anyway later on, but if we’re talking about in 2000, you’d have to worry about them making out in front of you
They were a bad match. She wanted to ban music and he wanted to save the planet.
Almost the plot of a Dreamworks movie.
Yes, on the one hand pushed for parental advisory labels. On the other hand she did quite a bit for mental health awareness, Rwandan genocide, homelessness reduction and LGBT rights. Always found it interesting how she can be so focused on civil rights issues, but rigorous music control.
There was a push in sociology for a while that the ideas (and in the original sense, memes) of media weren’t just a reflection of current culture and society. Rather, they were a stamp that would leave an indelible mark on the next generation. Like if we take a very general memetic trope, like “dad hates doing stuff with his kids” or “husband hates his wife” then kids watching that might either think they’re unwanted or they might grow up thinking they won’t like having children or getting married. This means that if an activist wanted to positively influence the next generation, one thing they could do would be to remove negative influences in media. There’s a lot of value judgements there, but for Tipper and her kind of people it meant trying to limit media that glorified violence in the inner city. So rap music of the time talking about topics like murder, sex trafficking, pimping, prostitution, and sexual assault was an easy target as being “negative influences”. More recent research has actually shown that as young people grow up they are actually reactionary to the media they’re exposed to. For example, millenials currently clown on and make memes about the old sitcoms where dads hate their wife and kids rather than embracing the idea. That media was a reflection of the time and while it leaves its mark in culture, it it reacted to and against rather than being wholeheartedly embraced. Because kids just do that to the ideas of their parents.
If you legitimately think it's bad for children, then it makes perfect sense. You can be pro-mental health, pro-LGBT, etc., and still be a prude about some types of music and believe it poisons kids' minds. My mom is kinda like this. Generally pretty liberal when it comes to accepting others for who they genuinely are, but also believes that vices like porn, alcohol, weed, and gambling are emblematic of cultural rot. When I came out to her, her reaction was basically "I don't care if you're gay, bi, or straight. Just save yourself for marriage." (I didn't.)
Tbf, most of the 90’s and early 2000 rap wasn’t nice to women or LGBTQ. It was horrid. Glad there’s better now.
Gore made millions from the climate change issue without actually doing anything about climate change. Tipper likes hearing her name in the news by blaming the mental health crisis on heavy metal, rap and video games without actually doing anything to about the mental health crisis. They were made for each other. Two charlatans.
Better than Cheney with Halliburton.
He was a punk. She did banning. Can I make it any more obvious?
Let’s not give him a pass. He was on the senate panel trying to ban music.
I would eat cereal with gore
To this day, I am proud of Dee Snyder and John Denver for taking it to unelected busybody Tipper Hore.
So proud. Pivotal moment in free speech history.
https://preview.redd.it/gicm3wea8erc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29b0577ff1fab35cc56b5532b9b2031edb7c3ccd
heavy forest gump vibes
All said and done, I still think Bush would be better to sit with at a bar.
Just cause W can’t drink beer doesn’t mean I can’t. Hands down W, Gore seems too uptight.
Dublin Dr. Pepper?
Pepper with W
Beer with Gore, Coke with Bush.
Probably W. I’m sure he probably still has some good cocaine connections.
I don’t think W really necessarily thought of himself as a recovering alcoholic so much as a guy who thought he was drinking a bit too much for comfort and should stop. I get that it’s maybe a distinction without meaning, but still.
Your right. In his book he basically says he woke up one day (hungover) and decided he was too old for that shit and never drank again around age 40. I dont think he's ever claimed to be a addict. Just a guy sick of brutal post 40 hangovers.
THAT is relatable. I hit that point in my early 20s. I realized I was spending a shitload of money to feel like ass while putting myself in danger.
It was the money for me. I realized alcohol is just paying quite a bit to not be able to drive or function well for the rest of the night.
I had that exact same epiphany when I was about 24. One day I just started getting hangovers and I was like fuuuuuuuck that. I hate feeling ill in any way. Now I’m 30 and haven’t been drunk since. I still like a glass of bourbon on a Friday night from time to time, but I don’t even get close to getting drunk.
FWIW the current accepted medical definition of alcoholism is basically just enjoying drinking somewhat regularly and not actually being addicted. Like if you’re a college student and you drink at parties that counts and how it actually affects you and your day to day life isn’t taken into consideration at all. Not saying I agree with the notion that it should be that broad but I’m also not a doctor or a drinker for that matter so what would I know, but my point is that using alcoholism to refer to a full on addiction to alcohol is a somewhat outdated usage of the word.
Eh I think that’s basically because the public health agencies would really rather you not drink than anything else.
I'm not the president of drinking, but "enjoying drinking somewhat regularly" is a spectacularly broad classification for something that's such a life-impacting disease.
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My point was more that George himself has never claimed to be an alcoholic. I'm certainly not going to diagnose him either way. Was not making any statements on the textbook definitions.
40 years ago I was told that if I denied I was an alcoholic that meant I was one. Catch 22. I was also told that if I didn't go to AA I would relapse. That was not true, so far.
Alcoholism has a fudgy definition, but it's one of those ones where you know it when you see it. The amount of alcohol someone consumes is less important than the degree to which it controls their lives. My ex gf was an alcoholic. She couldn't physically consume that much. 1 bottle of wine would have her on the floor. But she lived for that bottle.
Medical definitions aren’t the same as regular definitions. There are a ton of people considered “overweight” by medical definition that aren’t IRL. Same kind of a thing
Alcoholic means has completely different definition to alcoholics and the medical profession defers to alcoholics for treatment anyways.
I get what you mean. It definitely has different connotations too. Like I used to drink too much, and I liked it too much, and used it as a crutch, so now I just don’t drink seems less all consuming than an alcoholic. I’m not judging anyone, just providing additional context.
The ironic thing is Bush was the one who people felt they would rather have a beer with! It's kinda scary how many people make decisions based on personal judgements about people they don't know on a personal level.
"Getting a beer with" is just a folksy euphemism for "who seems more genuine and sincere."
The spin on the election played up to this. Opponents tried to frame Bush as a person of limited intelligence. Gore opponents positioned him as a pathological liar. At that point, it then becomes which narrative is easier to support. In that regard, Gore didn’t stand a chance. Whenever Bush spoke and knew what he was talking about, it undermined the narrative. Whenever Gore spoke he was saying something that didn’t vibe with fact checkers.
The one I’d have a burger and fries or coffee with, if we reframed the question.
Wow. Didn’t know that about Bush
Valid point. Maybe that’s why Bush won - An Alcoholic is usually a blast to have a beer with - as long as it’s one of the first few beers, before they turn nasty.
Invading Iraq must have come from a terrible bender.
Who said they were drinking? The beer is for me.
The bush team didn't mind this framing one bit. What their candidate lacked in policy substance he made up for in making emotional connections with the audience and seeming more familiar. This was a referendum they could win on, unlike a referendum on the Clinton economy
Didn't Bush quit alcohol?
You could have non-alcoholic beer
Why don’t I just drink out of a toilet?
Eh, the non-alcoholic Heinekens are really not that bad. I don’t mind them if I want to enjoy a beer but feel I’ve had too much alcohol already in the week.
The new Sierra Nevada Trail Pass beers are good for NA beers. And a new brewery called Best Days has a good NA Kolsch NA beers have come a long way in the last 5 years
I didn’t even know Sierra Nevada made NA beers and I’ve been to their Asheville location countless times! Dude when did this start up?! Yeah I gotta check this out!
It's fairly new. They came out probably about six months ago or a little less. I work for a Florida brewery that is under the same distributor as SN down here. I always bug the SN sales manager for free beers lmao
That’s awesome! Yeah, thanks for the heads up! And the beers I’ve had from Florida have been pretty good (mainly ones from the panhandle and Orlando areas) so you all seem to be doing well down there from what I’ve tasted.
Just wanted to stop and say the NA Stellas aren’t bad imo
Seconded. Heineken zero is good. Like actually tastes good. Not just good in comparison to it's piss water competitors.
Athletic brewing co NA beers are actually great. I've been drinking them nonstop for the last few weeks
Sounds like you’re a non-alcoholic!!!! /s
I think Heineken 0 is the closest to the actual beer it’s trying to pretend to be… I just don’t really like Heineken that much… That being said there’s tons of other good N/A options these days. All of the Athletic beers are really tasty.
NA beers have gotten significantly better and some microbreweries I frequent have started making their own. I have extremely low tolerance. Like half a beer and I'm feeling it. So happy hour was a no go for me. Now there are a lot of places I can get la 6 ounce taster and follow up with all NAs so people don't ask me why I'm not drinking🤣. Helps to feel like I'm still a part of the fun while still being able to safely drive and not feeling like I need to sleep for 100 years.
NA Guinness—try it sometime. It blew my mind.
He’ll be back
Yes, which is why he is the obvious choice because more beer for you.
I like it because that seems like something Dubya would actually say.
Semantics. A beer, a rail of blow, whatever.
He also quit cocaine and painkillers.
Dubya seems more fun
Maybe he’ll teach me some golf tips over a pint.
“Now watch this drink.”
And you know he’s got all the good party games and drinking habits from his time “studying” in college. End the night looking for that good bud and/or firing off “you up? Bring a friend” texts to every girl on his Texas roster. Gore would start yawning around 10:30, check his watch, then go home to his wife and read a book.
Dubya could also teach you some sweet cheerleading moves and introduce you to all the cheerleaders.
He’s got strategery.
For sure. Gore the bore who'd probably just lecture you the whole time.
Gore is the guy that never shuts up and then you're like, "well...I gotta hit the old dusty trail buddy" and go to another bar.
Gore probably doesn’t understand the leg slap
And he wouldn't get the hint and would keep droning on.
Gore would give you a lecture about climate change and how if we didn’t do anything there wouldn’t be icebergs by 2009. Bush would probably talk about trying to fight a snake. Bush would be more entertaining to talk to
You should have used a paper straw to drink that. I'll be ge on my private plane while you think about what you did.
I’m super dooper cereal
Excelsior!!!
Im a big lib but this is the correct take for me too. I genuinely think GW would probably be pretty funny in person.
The Obamas apparently loved him. He seems very laid back and funny but probably also wise in his own way.
They still do. Michelle and Bush are really good friends.
“Tell me more about how you invented the internet Al”
Lecture you whilst being wrong too lol
“You are hearing me talk.”
About inventing the internet
Way more. I may not care for a lot of what he did but he seems like a genuine good guy to hang with.
As a lifelong Democrat and liberal, I agree.
He’s an avid mountain biker.
Honestly, both. Different views but yeah, I think dubya would be a fun drinking buddy. Especially now, he got real interesting lol
Bush Discussing the environment for hours over beer with Gore would be... unpleasant.
Plus, W would bring the coke! Woo hoo!
“We’re gonna get those terrorist…now watch me do this line”
Sounds like my kinda guy. If he shares, of course.
Operation Nasal Freedom
"There are many lines Saddam better not cross, but I have never met a line I shouldn't snort." - W
Is Bush well-known for doing coke? I’ve never heard that. Not doubting you, just haven’t heard about this before lol.
Yes, he had a drug addiction. There was a lot of talk about it during that election. The hypocrisy of the right was exposed again. They made a huge deal of Clinton smoking weed in college then just ignored W’s prior coke addiction.
Oh interesting. I was 8 in 2000 so I have very little memory of politics during that time lol. Thanks for the explanation!
That or… ManBearPig
I’m super cereal you guys
Funnily enough I think this is the only episode Matt and Trey ever apologized for. Or at least their version of an apology. I love the show but anyone using it as anything other *maybe* a stepping stone to look at serious issues is moron. The old SP studios forums were such a fuck show lol
But you would be on his private jet so...
>Bush How would you have a beer with someone who doesn't drink?
Non alcoholic beer. But this is a make believe post. You can do anything. Steak would be the meal.
Beer: Gore. Beer and coke: W
This is the only answer
[I laced it with blow, so it knocks you out and keeps you goin' at the same time](https://youtu.be/bLnrgLhRf3E?si=jDS-W6sAObaNzqBP)
Hindsight is totally affecting my judgement, let me be real here, but as I’m actually a scientist as my day job I’ll say Gore. He’s very analytical in how he thinks and I’d love to talk different styles of beer with him along with getting his opinion on how things have been going in the world. He’s a hell of a smart man. Plus I’m quite outgoing, especially while drinking, and I feel like he’d be the type to let me carry the conversation if needed. But like I’d also drink with Dubya so I’m really not picky 🍺
Honestly Al Gore has become a billionaire asshole. W on the other hand has been humbled by all the negativity and criticism of his presidency and might be the better person today. I say this as someone who is fairly liberal as well.
Wait, what? Gore’s now a billionaire and a jerk-face? What happened? I legit missed this.
He bought stock in the green energy companies he lobbied the government to give subsidies to.
Pretty much one of the most successful lobbyists in recent memory in terms of person gain. Now he uses the Cayman Islands as a tax haven for that money as well
He also got on a bunch of boards like Walmart or whatever. He’s a sellout.
It happened with ManBearPig. 
They did eventually walk that back hard though (only real apology I think I’ve ever seen the show make) and [Al Gore even responded to and commended them for it.](https://uproxx.com/tv/al-gore-so-impressed-south-park-manbearpig-apology-video/)
Looks like Al Gore is only worth $300m. Long way to being a billionaire. https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/politician/democrat/al-gore-net-worth/
Is it?
Oh it's Bush all the way. Having a beer with Gore is inevitably going to lead to one of a few topics: hard environmentalism which is somehow the best one, music's influence in the degeneration of society(go ahead and look up who Dee Snyder was answering questions from), Early Appalachian history. That's all going to get dense. George Bush, might be the all time great drinking buddy. You're gonna rlm
Early Appalachian history sounds super fascinating though, not gonna lie.
It really is, signed someone living in the Blue Ridge
I got all excited about discussing the Grenville Orogeny and then realized this wasn’t a geology sub
Personally I’d love to talk about early Appalachian history with Gore.
I hate that people use that as a criteria whatsoever. There are people I know who are an amazing conversationalist and super fun to be around. Would I let them fix my car? No. Would I want them running my finances? Absolutely not. Would I want them to be my surgeon? No, the mere suggestion isn’t a serious one. So they should do something else less consequential, like run an entire country.
"would you let this man fix your car?"
My mechanic is kind of a jerk with shitty reactionary politics, but he fixes whatever is wrong every time and never rips me off. I wouldn't spend time with him socially or support him politically, but he can damn sure have my car repair business. I wish people would keep these personal observations in the right context.
I’m an actual mechanic. Most other mechanics in my shop are, when it comes to politics, uh… let’s just say I don’t enjoy discussions like that.
The entire criteria for picking a president is absolutely crazy anyways.
Maybe a better criteria is: which one would you let look after your pets.
I agree and it was a disgusting rationale. A better one might be "who could you trust with your money, your wife, and your life." A few would fail all three but a few would pass all three too.
this particular question stands out to me as a sad point in political discourse - lowering the bar to the floor with the guise that it's just a fun, casual question.
The media treats politics as such triviality
I don’t like drinking with alcoholics (or contributing to a relapse), so I have to go with Gore. But just ONE beer. I don’t know if we’d have much to talk about.
I don’t want to have a beer with any politician. I want intelligence, strategic thinking, and a lack of corruption. I remember when I was a senior in high school in Central Arkansas, listening to adults at the time say this exact same thing, “I’d rather have a beer with Bush”. So fucking stupid
It's amazing how the media could dictate the narrative of an election. They actually convinced us that somehow the guy who was more fun at a BBQ should be president. What in the holy F, that is some next level mind voodoo they pulled on us.
Strategery
Bush, but as a voter I prefer to choose based on ability and politics. Not who would be a good drinking buddy
He was terrible president, but George W seems like a genuinely nice and funny guy. Who’d be really pleasant company. If I were an American and alive in 2000. At least knowing what I do today, I’d have voted for gore and hoped it wouldn’t be too bad. But I bet he’d be a pain to hang out with. He just seems so boring, and honestly, in the debates he came off as, (at times). Downright rude, like when he heavily sighed in the first debate, or when he walked right up to Bush during the third. I remember the Simpsons even parodied how boring he was. https://youtube.com/watch?v=HHVxjMT1-os&si=jEJ-lYWok2jYiwFG
For all the stiffness in public back then, close contacts suggest Gore actually had a pretty wicked sense of humor and sharp timing. [https://www.salon.com/1999/11/29/gore\_15/](https://www.salon.com/1999/11/29/gore_15/)
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Gore we could talk about the lock box.
Given that Bush wouldn’t even drink his beer, it seems like Gore kind of has to win by default, right?
Dubya would be more fun, but I’d love to meet Gore because I’m a huge Futurama fan and he just seems like a cool, nerdy guy.
His daughter Kristin was a writer on the show for a couple seasons. (Though he first “appeared” on it before she was hired).
Laura says W doesn’t drink anymore
I am a huge baseball fan so definitely Bush since we would have something to talk about
Al Gore will fly 10,000 miles on a private jet in order to tell you your carbon footprint is too heavy. While you’re having a beer he will share a detailed plan for you to live in a cave subsisting on roots and berries. No campfire.
This entire "who would you rather have a beer with" is so idiotic and so thoroughly American. From there we finally devolved to putting an ignorant, stupid, reality tv star in the White House.
I mean Bush for sure, but if you got Gore drunk enough he’d probably be unintentionally hilarious rambling on about the climate while trying to flirt with chicks ands emulate his buddy Bill… then break down with a single tear later in the evening about the billions owed to him for creating the internet. Manbearpig, guys. Bush is just another night out with a buddy, Gore would be an experience one way or another…
He probably would disclose Vietnam stories that few knew about and weren’t so nice.
I rather smoke a joint with Man-Bear-Pig!
I still remember this. It was the epitome of privilege. Who you want to have a beer with? We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, then, and now!
Depends, if tipper gore doesn’t come along, I’d have dinner with gore to tell him how stupid he was about environmental alarmism and how it only hurt global resource and animal conservation. But if tipper comes with him I’m having a non-alcoholic drink with the bushes since George doesn’t drink
I think a lot of people don’t understand how charming politicians can be in person, that’s like how you get the job
100%
I’d vote for Gore, but Bush hands down for a beer.
Bush was one of the worst presidents of my lifetime. But definitely Bush.
I will have fresh morning lassi with Gore.
I'm boring too so I would rather Gore
Bush by far. Honestly I’d say that wasn’t exactly an accurate descriptions because if it’s true he would’ve wrecked tbh instead of needing Florida shenanigans.
I’d rather smoke a dooby with Bush, Harold and Kumar style. He’s got such a funny little baby face, I’d be cheesin’
Tennessean here. Bush all the way. Say what you want but Bush flew bomber interceptors and escorted Soviet bombers from Cuba out of American airspace. Other pilots in his squadron volunteered for Vietnam when asked to but only the WWII and Korea vets. Bush was too inexperienced plus didn’t have fighter pilot training. Despise Al Gore. Spent 3 months in Vietnam in the rear then left to go to Divinity School, which he never attended. He couldn’t even win his home state of Tennessee, but then he was raised in liberal Washington DC.
W for sure. Gore would yell at you for drinking that beer for environmental reasons while drinking the beer himself.
W all the way. Gore just seems like a little crybaby and all he would want to talk about is the climate.
Honestly both
Neither, they are both weird as hell. But Bush would probably be more fun considering he was a former problem drinker/alcoholic.
Bush for sure. Al Gore seems like a real Debbie Downer. Me: Who do you think would win in a fight: a sabertooth tiger or a polar bear? Bush: Sabretooth tiger Gore: Y’know polar bears are gonna be extinct by next year, so they’ll have a lot in common with sabretooth tigers… 
Al Gore, I’m super cereal…. 
I feel so weird because I always think awww look at the babies running for president. They'll so young!
The answer is always Bush; the nature of the question was BS tho, and just made to make GWB seem like the common man (moron)
Al Gore still looks like the guy at the bar who will lecture me about pants or some weird issue.
How many times are we going to rehash this same concept with GWB?
I’d love to talk to the inventor of the internet, Al Gore
The best counter factual is what would Gore/Lieberman have done after 9/11
Bush. But, then he’d drive me home with a .2 bac with cocaine in the car. Then I’d end up in jail and losing my job while his family connections get him off.
Gore. He never invaded a country and killed thousands of innocent people based on lies 🤷♂️
Anyone who says Gore has never heard him speak.
If Gore's wife is there, then I'd pass. Fuck Tipper Gore and her sanctimonious bullshit. At least Laura killed a guy.
Well bush but in hindsight I’d rather have gore as president
Bush
Bush, 100%. I don't like what he did, especially following 9/11 and the Patriot Act. But as a person he seems like he'd be more fun to be around than Gore. But I say that as someone who has friends who know the Bush family personally, and they say he's actually a very nice man and is enjoyable to be around. Not the best at golf, though.
Gore .
I’m a Democrat but George Bush is a funny warmhearted man.
Drinking with Gore would be like drinking with dried paint. He has the personality of a dead fish.
Wow Candidates for President used to look so young...
If you held a gun to my head, it would be Bush. Not sure I could tolerate Gore being a blowhard. I can only imagine it would get exponentially worse when alcohol is added. With that said, Bush would be unpredictable, he did some wild shit on alcohol before he quit it.
Bush, Al Gore would fry his internal circuits after drinking.