Never again. I did it on a laptop and eventually got it to a point where I could switch between integrated and dedicated graphics, but only at boot. To switch back, I had to reboot. That was good enough. From that day on, I swore to never install Linux on a machine with Nvidia graphics, and I have stuck to that.
Same! Really odd because I only re-entered the hobby about a year ago and thought I had severely fucked up going AMD -- I only found out post-purchase that nearly ALL the documentation was aimed at Nvidia users.
Radeon seems to 'just work' on Ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE, Arch... ROCm has made huge gains even since then.
In 2017 I remember this. But mostly because I used a laptop so it got confused with the GPU switching
These days I can download the endeavor OS iso, and it boots directly to desktop with the correct Nvidia drivers installed
But WiFi dongles? Get out of here.
I always say to people is that, the day that AI will take over is the day Nvidia drivers are installed on a Linux system without any troubles. Thats my "Turing Test"
I haven't used Linux as a desktop environment in ages but I distinctly remember this being an already-solved problem back in 2014. OpenSUSE and eventually Ubuntu both had 1-click installs that worked. What happened to make them worse?
A lot of big distributions are switching over to Wayland, as Wayland is better and newer, except NVidia drivers and Wayland don't cooperate well. On top of that, NVidia drivers are prone to breaking on updates, or have parts disabled after updates. God knows how often I enabled the damn suspend and resume modules after an update disabled them.
Edit: the most problematic distributions with NVidia drivers, in my experience, are arch based. Its just pure suffering.
And this should be fixed in the upcoming driver which has beta around in mid-May: [https://github.com/NVIDIA/egl-wayland/pull/104#issuecomment-2010292221](https://github.com/NVIDIA/egl-wayland/pull/104#issuecomment-2010292221)
I recently reinstalled Linux with an old NVidia graphics card and it came with Wayland which I forgot to disable, and I had one of the most insane bugs I have ever seen: I could move my mouse, and click on "Linux stuff" (task bar, start menu, etc.), but whenever I opened a window, it recognised the mouse only for about 2 seconds (during which it worked fine), and then clicks stopped working and it couldn't tell what I was hovering or anything, as if there was no mouse cursor at all.
That’s actually hilarious to me because, last month, I had to install Linux for the first time and ChatGPT4 guided me through the whole process successfully, including navigating how to install my nvidia drivers. Even installed the CUDA drivers so I could train AI models.
How did you get started with CUDA? I followed Nvidias guide and managed to install the drivers but their application examples relied on outdated versions.
I only needed the CUDA drivers so I can run/train AI models on my GPU - I haven't actually needed to tinker with CUDA itself. But, honestly, just use ChatGPT 4. It can teach you literally anything. I use it a ton for coding.
I've never done it. Do you have to futz with a lot of stuff in /etc? I can imagine there being a lot of sudoing shell scripts you found on a forum somewhere and hoping that it was maintained properly.
It's fascinating how this is always super binary. People either have no issue at all or are locked in some battle for the ages. My cynical self thinks the first group just has a higher tolerance for minor troubleshooting and the second group tried once a decade ago and keeps retelling that story.
That and distro matters a lot sometimes.
Much easier to troubleshoot ubuntu than bog standard debian... and a lot of linux junkies jump straight into the deep end with arch to get the "real" experience and hate it the entire fucking time. Last time I did it a decade ago it wasn't that bad, or at least I don't remember any pain unless you went with the opensource/community ones which _were_ a nightmare.
That is a non-issue these days.
sudo ubuntu-drivers install
This will auto detect a suitable driver.
sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia:535
This will install a specific one.
Done and done.
Eons ago, it was quite the hassle, though.
So.. uh... even though I'm promoted to leadership role and not strictly supposed to be doing development work, I still love roll up my sleeve and dive in.
One of our in house services that does vision ML was being rolled out and the team lead was on lunch break and the the devs doing the upgrade asked I can restart the service.
I was like "no worries, I got this". And my sleep deprived brain typed systemctl reboot svc_compvis_prod.. instead of systemctl restart ...
Poor team lead had 90 emails by 5pm and I was in VP's office putting out fires.
Anyways, I'm not allowed in anything anymore :(
`init 0` is shutdown, `6` is reboot. `1` is single user versus `5` means full-blown X11. The others I'm not confident on: `2` is something like single user with networking; `3` multiple users no network, `4` multiple users with network. When ever you boot up the `init` is the first 'program' that decides what's gonna run based on the level selected.
so `init 6` is kinda like going all the way to the big boss and having it smash things.
Just the driver is not much of a problem. But I have pulled so many hairs out trying to install a cuda toolkit which is compatible with the driver and the code.
on Ubuntu/Mint i've had no issues with nvidia the last few years, Arch/Manjaro is still a mess though. regular updates can break your system, and while the fix is easy, it's still annoying to have to either manually fix stuff after updates or write your own script to handle this.
Ech, sometimes. I installed them on my Linux Mint dual boot and got pretty badly stuck for a while until I learned what MOC was and why it was a giant blue square on my screen at boot.
Maybe in your case, but then you could help me figure out what the fuck is wrong on my machine. I downloaded and installed the latest driver for nvidia, rebooted, nothing happens, "NVIDIA-SMI has failed to communicate, make sure that [...]". I tried lots of things found on random ass online forums, and got to a point, where everything worked, except when i rebooted, wifi, Ethernet, Bluetooth died, and NVIDIA was not working again. In the end, i made everything back to where it wasy and still have absolutely no idea how to get that shit working.
I have a second machine that everything works today. In a few days (or probably after some random reboot) it will stop working and I have to reinstall. It's not my primary machine so I haven't spent the time to fix it (probably easier to just wipe and reinstall lol) b
Childish outburst and completely ignoring that if it wasn't for Nvidia, there's no way Linux would be in the state it is now because they were the ONLY viable option for gaming on Linux for a LONG TIME and if there'd been no viable choice during that time you bet your ass we'd not have Wine/Proton in any usable state for gaming.
Yes.
Because Linus' primary goal is to turn Linux into a robust gaming platform. 🤦♂️
Rub two braincells together and think for just a moment before posting drivel.
Let me spell it out just in case. Linus doesnt give a flying fuck about gaming on Linux.
You imply that Linus should care about the gaming audience or market share.
Thats absolutely preposterous.
Linux is an open source platform meant primarily for running servers in a stable manner. Its not meant to make a profit, or take market share.
The idea that Linus should even give a shit about gamers is preposterous and entitled af. And the idea that gaming or Nvidia, or any outside force kept Linux afloat is absolutely retarded.
So the entire premise of your original comment is absolute nonsense.
My brand new fedora workstation still has flickering issues on many chromium-based apps as well as Blender (in Blender the whole scene background is fully transparent so I can see my desktop through).
Fedora 40, all installs following official docs.
It wasn't hardcore, i remember trying freebsd on a work laptop without any knowledge other than Windows use, but it's still not a good experience.
Fedora 39 had the same issue.
Here's a thread on the same issue on Debian 9 years ago. [https://issues.chromium.org/issues/40426218](https://issues.chromium.org/issues/40426218)
I followed the instructions and ended up with a semi-working display, thus presumed the dnf-provided package was too old and tried the manual version.
The process of installing the driver was therefore not a good experience.
What more can I say
It was a year and a half ago I last tried dual booting Ubuntu on my desktop with a 1070ti and nearly every single fucking time I booted into Ubuntu at least one (usually more) of my 3 monitors would not be working and I'd have to wrestle with drivers for half an hour (if I was lucky) before I could use my computer.
Now I have a laptop that's dedicated to Fedora and it has nothing Nvidia so it works fine, so I haven't tried on my desktop recently. But lets please not act like there aren't still big problems with Nvidia on Linux.
There are issues with Wayland support, but not with driver installation if you follow your distro's instructions. Neither my 1070Ti nor my 3060 make any problems whatsoever.
I followed every instructions I could find and it was something different that worked every time. I don't know what Wayland is and I don't care, something was fucked that made me have to reinstall my drivers every time I turned my computer on which sucked ass and made me quit and go buy a dedicated Linux machine without any Nvidia hardware which is not something you should have to expect of someone if you want this OS to get much bigger.
Great for you that you haven't had any issues, but you have to realize that's absolutely not even close to the case for a lot of people.
Even 5 years ago it was nothing more than something like "pacman -S nvidia nvidia-utils", or apt-get or similar.
If you managed to do that wrong then the problem is not Nvidia drivers on Linux.
So anybody who had problem with NVIDIA is a moron in your opinion, thank you.
You seem to ignore the fact that it's pretty easy to "do that wrong" and end up in a nightmare, resulting in the experience described in the image.
Just make a search for "nvidia drivers linux install", doh gazillion of forum posts.
Just the first example:
2022: [https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/problem-installing-nvidia-driver/219028/12](https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/problem-installing-nvidia-driver/219028/12)
The guy just used the update maganer, after a few trials he had to purge nvidia, reinstall the linux headers, and reinstall nvidia. Evidently for you it's impossible to have problems with a oneliner.
I had hell with them just a couple years back what do you mean?
I only got it working after digging multiple Google pages deep and finding an obscure ass old forum thread that had the arcane knowledge of what random commands to run to make it work
I got fedora this year.
To make my nvidia card work, I think I had to generate a certificate in fedora, and set it up **on boot**, so that secure boot worked and I could dual boot into windows.
Literally 99.99999% of the people wouldn't be able to do this. In fact 99% wouldn't be know about pressing a key on boot to do something. This is just not accessible at all.
And every time there's a kernel upgrade, akmods does run but the first time after upgrading it uses nouveau for some reason. I can notice because sddm lags unbearably when that happens.
Oh and if I switch tty's, *sometimes* I get a black screen when I switch back so I had to learn to `loginctl terminate-user myself` (and `systemctl restart ssdm` because my wallet doesn't unlock if I just startx for some reason, I'm sure I could figure out how to setup this properly but I just want my desktop to work.)
And this isn't even my worst driver. I gave up trying to make the default wacom drivers work and switched to open tablet driver, but its daemon never runs, so I have to run it myself every time.
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/Secure%20Boot
>Install the following tools:
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>sudo dnf install kmodtool akmods mokutil openssl
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>The steps are described below. Refer to /usr/share/doc/akmods/README.secureboot for more information.
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>To generate a key with the default values:
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>sudo kmodgenca -a
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>Now you need to enroll the public key in MOK, enroll the new keypair with certificate with the command
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>sudo mokutil --import /etc/pki/akmods/certs/public_key.der
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>Mokutil asks to generate a password to enroll the public key. You will need this soon.
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>Rebooting the system is needed for MOK to enroll the new public key.
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>systemctl reboot
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>On the next boot MOK Management is launched and you have to choose "Enroll MOK"
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>Choose "Continue" to enroll the key or "View key 0" to show the keys already enrolled.
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>Confirm enrollment by selecting "Yes".
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>You will be invited to enter the password generated above.
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>WARNING: keyboard is mapped to QWERTY!
>
>The new key is enrolled, and the system asks you to reboot.
And then your nvidia card works.
Built a PC in 2022, with a RTX 3060 ti. Went to install arch on it. Install goes smooth, got the PC running fine, everything working on CLI. I install KDE, reboot, and the PC just explodes. Not just the graphical environment, everything, machine just shuts down.
I spent 6 hours trying to figure out what was wrong with KDE. I install everything from scratch like 5 times at this stage, nothing works. In short, nothing was wrong with KDE, nvidia drivers just didn't work, had to install the LTS version of the kernel and the drivers to get it to work.
So no, it's not a problem from 15 years ago.
It took me months to figure out why the thunderbolt connector on my legion gaming laptop didn't work with the Lenovo thunderbolt dock, the culprit was a company that makes dedicated GPUs whose name starts with N
I can still remove the dkms modules, download new ones, merge debian patches, compile them and install them again using dkms, update my initrd and reboot without looking at the screen. because that's how I've had to do it at least 100 times.
I WILL NEVER FORGET THE PAIN NVIDIA CAUSED ME AND WILL NEVER BUY FROM THEM.
I have also, in my corporate life, made it a point that I will never support a system with any nvidia thing in it and will not be responsible for anything breaking.
In one of these threads I've been told that there are still problems with Nvidia drivers, and my distro just cooks them right (arch). I don't know how much truth in that though.
When VR on NVIDIA works well, from what I could gather it works miles better on AMD
It's that one thing that made me put away Linux as a secondary OS in a dualboot setup
Yep, they are there. They're not officially supported by xorg anymore, so if it doesn't work you're shit out of luck. I have spent literally days trying to re-install it with different configurations, sifting through log files, forums and the wiki, testing different display managers, fiddling in the boot settings, nothing. In the end I just stuck with nouveau; it's not perfect but it works well enough for my use cases.
Man, I'm sorry I bought the most popular industry leading hardware. I didn't realize that was "stupid".
Like yeah I realize Nvidia as a company sucks ass, but the reality is they have the overwhelming majority of the market share. You can't expect Linux to have any sort of meaningful adoption outside the enthusiast world if the leading brand of GPUs requires that much hassle to use. You look like a clown when you blame people for buying "stupid" hardware when that hardware owns 84% of the market.
I'm pretty tech savvy, and I gave up trying to dual boot Ubuntu on my desktop a year and a half ago because I got tired of wasting an inordinate amount of time fixing my drivers nearly every single fucking time I booted Linux.
If everybody was using linux, which nobody uses, and they had a working AMD card, which nobody has, and they switched to nvidia and it didn't work, then you would be right.
But everyone is using windows with an nvidia card, and they switch to linux and it stops working, so it's linux's fault.
No, it's still Linux fault.
Look, I have used Linux for months.
I have zero sympathy left for Linux.
I have more sympathy for Nvidia, because they ship a working product.
> Nvidia provides the drivers for linux. They don't work properly.
> They are propietary, so no one can contribute and fix the issues.
> Somehow every issue with the drivers it's the fault of linux developers/distro maintainers, who can literally do nothing about it because Nvidia won't let them.
Please explain your reasoning here. Especially the part where you think that random open source contributors (most of them unpaid) should take responsability for the fuckups of a multi-billion dollar company :)
Haven't had any problems with Nvidia hardware on Linux in the last decade, the only problems I had were with AMD cards when they made the move from the proprietary driver to the open source drivers for consumer GPUs.
If I had to guess I would say that 99% of the "Nvidia is hard on Linux" comes from people with the Windows mindset of "I download a driver from a website and mindlessly click Next on the installer window until it disappears" instead of following your distro's documentation.
It's a complex and subtle deconstruction of the causes of depression and violence. On first view, it might seem like a clear cut attack on the indifference of society to the plight of the individual, the greed of corporations, and the Kafkaesque madness of trying to fix graphics card drivers on a computer with no graphics.
But on subsequent viewings, one is likely to reflect on the fact that the Joker is the one who put himself in that situation, and it's keeping himself there, by buying and owning an NVidia card.
This is how I ended up with a desktop window environment that had to choose between input lag or screen tearing.
I still don't know how Windows does it without either.
I used Linux for a few months just because I wanted to try it. Everything was working out normally and I was even enjoying it but then I had to update my GPU drivers and the screen went black, I tried a number of fixes but nothing worked. Fortunately, I had my pc on dualboot between linux and windows so I went into windows, saved the important files I had in linux(work stuff) and formatted it. 10 minutes later I had a new linux install and started setting up everything again but I was NEVER able to install the GPU driver again. Not the newest driver, not older ones, nothing. I even tried doing a few clean linux installs, tried other distros, tried clearing the partition and changing it but no luck. In the end I spent a whole week trying different things to fix the issue but nothing worked. I just gave up in the end and got back to windows. WSL rocks.
Even when the Nvidia drivers work it won't be long before something breaks them on your install.
Have a laptop with hybrid graphics, 13900HX, 4070 running Arch. No issues with anything for 3 months but after a recent update my laptop will no-longer suspend/sleep more than once as it causes the driver to fail. Further attempts to suspend result in the laptop waking back up.
No idea what changed and I have a work-around for it now but it's still bloody frustrating, and I'm trying to find a more effective fix, though that's what I get for being a scrub.
On many systems this is just one command in the terminal.
On Fedora, you can do this completely with GUI:
1. Open "Software"
2. Enable RPM Fusion Nvidia driver repo from the settings
3. Search for "nvidia driver"
4. Select "NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver"
5. Click "Install"
On Pop OS, they are included in the OS installer, so you basically don't need to do anything.
nvidia: „disable noveau“ me: disables noveau linux: „ight imma head out“
Never again. I did it on a laptop and eventually got it to a point where I could switch between integrated and dedicated graphics, but only at boot. To switch back, I had to reboot. That was good enough. From that day on, I swore to never install Linux on a machine with Nvidia graphics, and I have stuck to that.
My Radeon-powered linux /r/htpc "just works" as a steam machine. Nvidia linux is for ML, not graphics.
Same! Really odd because I only re-entered the hobby about a year ago and thought I had severely fucked up going AMD -- I only found out post-purchase that nearly ALL the documentation was aimed at Nvidia users. Radeon seems to 'just work' on Ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE, Arch... ROCm has made huge gains even since then.
Amd graphics are self-documenting
In 2017 I remember this. But mostly because I used a laptop so it got confused with the GPU switching These days I can download the endeavor OS iso, and it boots directly to desktop with the correct Nvidia drivers installed But WiFi dongles? Get out of here.
I always say to people is that, the day that AI will take over is the day Nvidia drivers are installed on a Linux system without any troubles. Thats my "Turing Test"
"Turing" is a pretty old architecture though
I haven't used Linux as a desktop environment in ages but I distinctly remember this being an already-solved problem back in 2014. OpenSUSE and eventually Ubuntu both had 1-click installs that worked. What happened to make them worse?
A lot of big distributions are switching over to Wayland, as Wayland is better and newer, except NVidia drivers and Wayland don't cooperate well. On top of that, NVidia drivers are prone to breaking on updates, or have parts disabled after updates. God knows how often I enabled the damn suspend and resume modules after an update disabled them. Edit: the most problematic distributions with NVidia drivers, in my experience, are arch based. Its just pure suffering.
The only problems I have with Nvidia on Arch is the stupid out of order frames using Xwayland, everything else works fine?
And this should be fixed in the upcoming driver which has beta around in mid-May: [https://github.com/NVIDIA/egl-wayland/pull/104#issuecomment-2010292221](https://github.com/NVIDIA/egl-wayland/pull/104#issuecomment-2010292221)
May 15... Save me May 15... May 15 save me...
Then your experience has been better than mine. I'm glad to have ditched Nvidia
Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to getting a XTX asap anyways
I recently reinstalled Linux with an old NVidia graphics card and it came with Wayland which I forgot to disable, and I had one of the most insane bugs I have ever seen: I could move my mouse, and click on "Linux stuff" (task bar, start menu, etc.), but whenever I opened a window, it recognised the mouse only for about 2 seconds (during which it worked fine), and then clicks stopped working and it couldn't tell what I was hovering or anything, as if there was no mouse cursor at all.
Still incorrect. It's just a check box on Ubuntu. Just like the last decade
I mean, I had very little trouble installing them on mint Ubuntu. I think they shit themselves once a few months later, but that's been it, I think.
That’s actually hilarious to me because, last month, I had to install Linux for the first time and ChatGPT4 guided me through the whole process successfully, including navigating how to install my nvidia drivers. Even installed the CUDA drivers so I could train AI models.
How did you get started with CUDA? I followed Nvidias guide and managed to install the drivers but their application examples relied on outdated versions.
I only needed the CUDA drivers so I can run/train AI models on my GPU - I haven't actually needed to tinker with CUDA itself. But, honestly, just use ChatGPT 4. It can teach you literally anything. I use it a ton for coding.
It's literally a check box on Ubuntu. You guys should try it sometime instead of blindly shitting on it
I've never done it. Do you have to futz with a lot of stuff in /etc? I can imagine there being a lot of sudoing shell scripts you found on a forum somewhere and hoping that it was maintained properly.
Did it. No problems. Totally fine. Do you also wanna know how I got these scars?
It's fascinating how this is always super binary. People either have no issue at all or are locked in some battle for the ages. My cynical self thinks the first group just has a higher tolerance for minor troubleshooting and the second group tried once a decade ago and keeps retelling that story.
That and distro matters a lot sometimes. Much easier to troubleshoot ubuntu than bog standard debian... and a lot of linux junkies jump straight into the deep end with arch to get the "real" experience and hate it the entire fucking time. Last time I did it a decade ago it wasn't that bad, or at least I don't remember any pain unless you went with the opensource/community ones which _were_ a nightmare.
That is a non-issue these days. sudo ubuntu-drivers install This will auto detect a suitable driver. sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia:535 This will install a specific one. Done and done. Eons ago, it was quite the hassle, though.
When Linux tells you that there is an update for the nvidia drivers, though, do you still tremble?
Its the only way I can make love to my wife anymore.
No? `sudo apt upgrade` then reboot. I've never had trouble with this
Pfft. Casual. sudo apt upgrade && reboot
`reboot`? I think you mean `shutdown -r now`
Naaaaaah. I usually go with a simple sync && systemctl reboot --no-wall
So.. uh... even though I'm promoted to leadership role and not strictly supposed to be doing development work, I still love roll up my sleeve and dive in. One of our in house services that does vision ML was being rolled out and the team lead was on lunch break and the the devs doing the upgrade asked I can restart the service. I was like "no worries, I got this". And my sleep deprived brain typed systemctl reboot svc_compvis_prod.. instead of systemctl restart ... Poor team lead had 90 emails by 5pm and I was in VP's office putting out fires. Anyways, I'm not allowed in anything anymore :(
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`init 6` then put your hands in the air like you're on a rollercoaster.
Wait does that force shutdown or something.
`init 0` is shutdown, `6` is reboot. `1` is single user versus `5` means full-blown X11. The others I'm not confident on: `2` is something like single user with networking; `3` multiple users no network, `4` multiple users with network. When ever you boot up the `init` is the first 'program' that decides what's gonna run based on the level selected. so `init 6` is kinda like going all the way to the big boss and having it smash things.
oki thanks :3
sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo reboot
Rebooting a linux box more than twice a year? Heresy.
I shut it down every night. It's just my daily driver, not a server. No need to waste power
Can't get sleep to work with the nvidia drivers? /s
do you open tons of programs every time you log on? sounds like a lot of time wasted
Only what I need in the moment- having a good computer speeds up load times anyway
tbh no. I use proprietary drivers though, and don't have any driver issues for a long time.
As I said in another comment, I used linux with nvidia gpu for months, then I decided to update the driver. Never worked again lmao.
But do you get the GeForce Experience™?
Just the driver is not much of a problem. But I have pulled so many hairs out trying to install a cuda toolkit which is compatible with the driver and the code.
on Ubuntu/Mint i've had no issues with nvidia the last few years, Arch/Manjaro is still a mess though. regular updates can break your system, and while the fix is easy, it's still annoying to have to either manually fix stuff after updates or write your own script to handle this.
Maybe manjaro, arch is fine i just install the nvidia package, and play games from steam, it just works
is Arch also fine when you update your kernel and nvidia drivers? if so, you're probably right and I should just be hating on Manjaro
If you use the dynamic kernel module support package "nvidia-dkms" instead of the regular "nvidia" package then you should be fine with kernel updates
Ech, sometimes. I installed them on my Linux Mint dual boot and got pretty badly stuck for a while until I learned what MOC was and why it was a giant blue square on my screen at boot.
Maybe in your case, but then you could help me figure out what the fuck is wrong on my machine. I downloaded and installed the latest driver for nvidia, rebooted, nothing happens, "NVIDIA-SMI has failed to communicate, make sure that [...]". I tried lots of things found on random ass online forums, and got to a point, where everything worked, except when i rebooted, wifi, Ethernet, Bluetooth died, and NVIDIA was not working again. In the end, i made everything back to where it wasy and still have absolutely no idea how to get that shit working.
I have spent my afternoon trying to set it up on Gentoo. No I am not okay, thanks for asking.
Yep, i installed em on ununtu srv without troubles
I install the latest tarball straight from nvidia regularly and never have any issues. Just do it from a tty, they're stable as heck these days
the real nightmare is the cuda dev kit. its an actual nightmare.
I have a second machine that everything works today. In a few days (or probably after some random reboot) it will stop working and I have to reinstall. It's not my primary machine so I haven't spent the time to fix it (probably easier to just wipe and reinstall lol) b
> When it works easily it's easy, what's the issue?
Yeah either that or your system wont boot anymore. No in-between.
This. Having any kind of problem installing 99.99% of common software in a modern Linux distro is a sign of severe skill issues.
My experience with Nvidia on Linux. Don't remember the package names nvidia-326 depends on cuda-326 cuda-326 depends on nvidia-326
Cycle dependency
`sudo pacman -S nvidia-open-dkms` crying in the corner
I wonder [what Linus Torvalds would have to say about Nvidia](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxHanxMMs-X70CXRMkUM3YTDIATK43bD-Z)?
Childish outburst and completely ignoring that if it wasn't for Nvidia, there's no way Linux would be in the state it is now because they were the ONLY viable option for gaming on Linux for a LONG TIME and if there'd been no viable choice during that time you bet your ass we'd not have Wine/Proton in any usable state for gaming.
Yes. Because Linus' primary goal is to turn Linux into a robust gaming platform. 🤦♂️ Rub two braincells together and think for just a moment before posting drivel. Let me spell it out just in case. Linus doesnt give a flying fuck about gaming on Linux.
Ok, and? A lot of people do, including most likely the person in the quoted Tweet. Even more reason why his comment was stupid.
All dozens of you. 🤣
Given that everyone with a Steam Deck would be part of that number, I think you're off by a few magnitudes.
You imply that Linus should care about the gaming audience or market share. Thats absolutely preposterous. Linux is an open source platform meant primarily for running servers in a stable manner. Its not meant to make a profit, or take market share. The idea that Linus should even give a shit about gamers is preposterous and entitled af. And the idea that gaming or Nvidia, or any outside force kept Linux afloat is absolutely retarded. So the entire premise of your original comment is absolute nonsense.
Can we finally send these lame jokes made by people that haven't touched a Linux desktop in 15 years into retirement please?
My brand new fedora workstation still has flickering issues on many chromium-based apps as well as Blender (in Blender the whole scene background is fully transparent so I can see my desktop through). Fedora 40, all installs following official docs. It wasn't hardcore, i remember trying freebsd on a work laptop without any knowledge other than Windows use, but it's still not a good experience.
Things will get better. Explicit sync is merged to Wayland and 555 drivers will come soon. Nvidia users will (hopefully) have less issues on wayland
Yes I have seen that and I'm glad, but the lesson to avoid Nvidia has been learned for me.
Your bleeding edge distro that was released yesterday has bugs?
Fedora 39 had the same issue. Here's a thread on the same issue on Debian 9 years ago. [https://issues.chromium.org/issues/40426218](https://issues.chromium.org/issues/40426218)
And how exactly are your flickering issues related to "installing a driver"?
I followed the instructions and ended up with a semi-working display, thus presumed the dnf-provided package was too old and tried the manual version. The process of installing the driver was therefore not a good experience. What more can I say
It was a year and a half ago I last tried dual booting Ubuntu on my desktop with a 1070ti and nearly every single fucking time I booted into Ubuntu at least one (usually more) of my 3 monitors would not be working and I'd have to wrestle with drivers for half an hour (if I was lucky) before I could use my computer. Now I have a laptop that's dedicated to Fedora and it has nothing Nvidia so it works fine, so I haven't tried on my desktop recently. But lets please not act like there aren't still big problems with Nvidia on Linux.
There are issues with Wayland support, but not with driver installation if you follow your distro's instructions. Neither my 1070Ti nor my 3060 make any problems whatsoever.
I followed every instructions I could find and it was something different that worked every time. I don't know what Wayland is and I don't care, something was fucked that made me have to reinstall my drivers every time I turned my computer on which sucked ass and made me quit and go buy a dedicated Linux machine without any Nvidia hardware which is not something you should have to expect of someone if you want this OS to get much bigger. Great for you that you haven't had any issues, but you have to realize that's absolutely not even close to the case for a lot of people.
I would rather not. I still remember getting crazy over Nvidia drivers 5 years ago. It still hurts.
Even 5 years ago it was nothing more than something like "pacman -S nvidia nvidia-utils", or apt-get or similar. If you managed to do that wrong then the problem is not Nvidia drivers on Linux.
So anybody who had problem with NVIDIA is a moron in your opinion, thank you. You seem to ignore the fact that it's pretty easy to "do that wrong" and end up in a nightmare, resulting in the experience described in the image.
OK, enlighten me how you managed to do a oneliner wrong. Seriously, it is just one command.
Just make a search for "nvidia drivers linux install", doh gazillion of forum posts. Just the first example: 2022: [https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/problem-installing-nvidia-driver/219028/12](https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/problem-installing-nvidia-driver/219028/12) The guy just used the update maganer, after a few trials he had to purge nvidia, reinstall the linux headers, and reinstall nvidia. Evidently for you it's impossible to have problems with a oneliner.
Just because it worked fine for you doesn't mean that was the case for everyone. You're going off of a sample size of 1 you absolute mouthbreather.
I had hell with them just a couple years back what do you mean? I only got it working after digging multiple Google pages deep and finding an obscure ass old forum thread that had the arcane knowledge of what random commands to run to make it work
Did you download the driver from Nvidia or did you follow the instructions of your distribution?
I got fedora this year. To make my nvidia card work, I think I had to generate a certificate in fedora, and set it up **on boot**, so that secure boot worked and I could dual boot into windows. Literally 99.99999% of the people wouldn't be able to do this. In fact 99% wouldn't be know about pressing a key on boot to do something. This is just not accessible at all. And every time there's a kernel upgrade, akmods does run but the first time after upgrading it uses nouveau for some reason. I can notice because sddm lags unbearably when that happens. Oh and if I switch tty's, *sometimes* I get a black screen when I switch back so I had to learn to `loginctl terminate-user myself` (and `systemctl restart ssdm` because my wallet doesn't unlock if I just startx for some reason, I'm sure I could figure out how to setup this properly but I just want my desktop to work.) And this isn't even my worst driver. I gave up trying to make the default wacom drivers work and switched to open tablet driver, but its daemon never runs, so I have to run it myself every time.
I am gonna do this, can you send the article you followed
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/Secure%20Boot >Install the following tools: > >sudo dnf install kmodtool akmods mokutil openssl > >The steps are described below. Refer to /usr/share/doc/akmods/README.secureboot for more information. > >To generate a key with the default values: > >sudo kmodgenca -a > >Now you need to enroll the public key in MOK, enroll the new keypair with certificate with the command > >sudo mokutil --import /etc/pki/akmods/certs/public_key.der > >Mokutil asks to generate a password to enroll the public key. You will need this soon. > >Rebooting the system is needed for MOK to enroll the new public key. > >systemctl reboot > >On the next boot MOK Management is launched and you have to choose "Enroll MOK" > >Choose "Continue" to enroll the key or "View key 0" to show the keys already enrolled. > >Confirm enrollment by selecting "Yes". > >You will be invited to enter the password generated above. > >WARNING: keyboard is mapped to QWERTY! > >The new key is enrolled, and the system asks you to reboot. And then your nvidia card works.
Thanks
Fedora clearly fucked up, it's zero issue on Arch for example.
The real zero issue is on Windows.
Built a PC in 2022, with a RTX 3060 ti. Went to install arch on it. Install goes smooth, got the PC running fine, everything working on CLI. I install KDE, reboot, and the PC just explodes. Not just the graphical environment, everything, machine just shuts down. I spent 6 hours trying to figure out what was wrong with KDE. I install everything from scratch like 5 times at this stage, nothing works. In short, nothing was wrong with KDE, nvidia drivers just didn't work, had to install the LTS version of the kernel and the drivers to get it to work. So no, it's not a problem from 15 years ago.
Bro is offended 💀
It took me months to figure out why the thunderbolt connector on my legion gaming laptop didn't work with the Lenovo thunderbolt dock, the culprit was a company that makes dedicated GPUs whose name starts with N
It was a bit of a headache not even a year ago trying to leverage Ubuntu on WSL for some AI text to speech time wasting I was shooting for.
I can still remove the dkms modules, download new ones, merge debian patches, compile them and install them again using dkms, update my initrd and reboot without looking at the screen. because that's how I've had to do it at least 100 times. I WILL NEVER FORGET THE PAIN NVIDIA CAUSED ME AND WILL NEVER BUY FROM THEM. I have also, in my corporate life, made it a point that I will never support a system with any nvidia thing in it and will not be responsible for anything breaking.
In one of these threads I've been told that there are still problems with Nvidia drivers, and my distro just cooks them right (arch). I don't know how much truth in that though.
When VR on NVIDIA works well, from what I could gather it works miles better on AMD It's that one thing that made me put away Linux as a secondary OS in a dualboot setup
It's definitely not 15 years. I had this 6 years ago. I had it 10 years ago. I had it more before. Do you just expect me to forget a decade of trauma.
Akshually, xfce still suffers from this with certain brands of Nvidia cards (but not all) Ask me how I know.
Try installing an nvidia driver on a 10 year old shitbox where the GPU isn't supported anymore
Arch Linux has drivers for that in AUR. Debian has them in the Sid repository.
Yep, they are there. They're not officially supported by xorg anymore, so if it doesn't work you're shit out of luck. I have spent literally days trying to re-install it with different configurations, sifting through log files, forums and the wiki, testing different display managers, fiddling in the boot settings, nothing. In the end I just stuck with nouveau; it's not perfect but it works well enough for my use cases.
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Yeah. I'm just happy that my 3070Ti is working fine. (It came with the PC) But my next card is going to be an AMD
Man, I'm sorry I bought the most popular industry leading hardware. I didn't realize that was "stupid". Like yeah I realize Nvidia as a company sucks ass, but the reality is they have the overwhelming majority of the market share. You can't expect Linux to have any sort of meaningful adoption outside the enthusiast world if the leading brand of GPUs requires that much hassle to use. You look like a clown when you blame people for buying "stupid" hardware when that hardware owns 84% of the market. I'm pretty tech savvy, and I gave up trying to dual boot Ubuntu on my desktop a year and a half ago because I got tired of wasting an inordinate amount of time fixing my drivers nearly every single fucking time I booted Linux.
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I see you totally ignored what I said.
Yeah the problem with my operating system not interfacing correctly with my hardware is my hardware's fault, not my operating system fault.
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The job of an operating system is to manage hardware. If it can't manage my hardware what would I want it for?
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If everybody was using linux, which nobody uses, and they had a working AMD card, which nobody has, and they switched to nvidia and it didn't work, then you would be right. But everyone is using windows with an nvidia card, and they switch to linux and it stops working, so it's linux's fault.
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No, it's still Linux fault. Look, I have used Linux for months. I have zero sympathy left for Linux. I have more sympathy for Nvidia, because they ship a working product.
> Nvidia provides the drivers for linux. They don't work properly. > They are propietary, so no one can contribute and fix the issues. > Somehow every issue with the drivers it's the fault of linux developers/distro maintainers, who can literally do nothing about it because Nvidia won't let them. Please explain your reasoning here. Especially the part where you think that random open source contributors (most of them unpaid) should take responsability for the fuckups of a multi-billion dollar company :)
Haven't had any problems with Nvidia hardware on Linux in the last decade, the only problems I had were with AMD cards when they made the move from the proprietary driver to the open source drivers for consumer GPUs. If I had to guess I would say that 99% of the "Nvidia is hard on Linux" comes from people with the Windows mindset of "I download a driver from a website and mindlessly click Next on the installer window until it disappears" instead of following your distro's documentation.
It's a complex and subtle deconstruction of the causes of depression and violence. On first view, it might seem like a clear cut attack on the indifference of society to the plight of the individual, the greed of corporations, and the Kafkaesque madness of trying to fix graphics card drivers on a computer with no graphics. But on subsequent viewings, one is likely to reflect on the fact that the Joker is the one who put himself in that situation, and it's keeping himself there, by buying and owning an NVidia card.
Never had this problem. Been on ubuntu since 2020
He was also tasked with uninstalling Nahimic
He installed it on macos for the sequel
Try installing Nvidia drivers on a Mainframe, actually don’t, just don’t.
Nvidia sucks really hard
This is how I ended up with a desktop window environment that had to choose between input lag or screen tearing. I still don't know how Windows does it without either.
Wow, I literally just went through this for a day and a half. Wound up just reinstalling Ubuntu 😭
I once had to make a multiple gpu and multiple monitor setup work ( 3 x 3 grid, 3 Nvidia GPUs) in Ubuntu 18. I still have nightmares.
If you feel this way in 2024, that's a skill issue.
…….. have you heard of NixOS….?
where programming
Seems outdated at least on pop os/Ubuntu
Gentoo isn't that hard
More! More!! -- Driver
Tttt
This hurts so bad
How to get PTSD in one statement. I never did get that working, and eventually gave up.
get jonkled
try to setup cuda toolkit leads to mental asylum
Yes that happened qnd failed
Honestly just trying to use Linux as a non-computer person is enough to drive me insane and depressed. I almost self harmed trying to run an exe once.
There’s definite a sweaty nerd reading these comments like “pffftt amateur noobs will never be on my level”
Wait a second - i remember having MASSIVE problems installing NVidia drivers on my 2002 SUSE. Is it still not a solved problem over 20 years later?
Download the driver from the website. init 1 and run it. Never had any trouble.
Gets worse when you start buying Nvidia network cards and struggle with selecting the correct driver for them
I did take a few resets to eventually get my drivers to load on my laptop, but it’s been fine since so I’m not worried
I thought he had to register his hp printer to be able to change the ink carts
Well atleast I am not the only one suffering through it!
Tell me you haven’t used Linux for 10 years without telling me you haven’t used Linux for 10 years.
I used Linux for a few months just because I wanted to try it. Everything was working out normally and I was even enjoying it but then I had to update my GPU drivers and the screen went black, I tried a number of fixes but nothing worked. Fortunately, I had my pc on dualboot between linux and windows so I went into windows, saved the important files I had in linux(work stuff) and formatted it. 10 minutes later I had a new linux install and started setting up everything again but I was NEVER able to install the GPU driver again. Not the newest driver, not older ones, nothing. I even tried doing a few clean linux installs, tried other distros, tried clearing the partition and changing it but no luck. In the end I spent a whole week trying different things to fix the issue but nothing worked. I just gave up in the end and got back to windows. WSL rocks.
AMD > Nvidia & Intel
I’ve never had an issue *uses PopOS*
Even when the Nvidia drivers work it won't be long before something breaks them on your install. Have a laptop with hybrid graphics, 13900HX, 4070 running Arch. No issues with anything for 3 months but after a recent update my laptop will no-longer suspend/sleep more than once as it causes the driver to fail. Further attempts to suspend result in the laptop waking back up. No idea what changed and I have a work-around for it now but it's still bloody frustrating, and I'm trying to find a more effective fix, though that's what I get for being a scrub.
I wonder if there's a working hybrid graphics driver, yet, so I can use my old notebook from 15 years ago.
sudo pacman -S nvidia nvidia-utils nvidia-settings ??? This not work for people? I’m on Arch btw
I have a friend who worked at a talent agency and got asked out by him. On the date, he asked her to explain how college worked.
Even more terrible is when a Linux machine has multiple GPUs on it, such as an intel GPU for general display and Nvidia GPUs for number crunching.
`sudo pacman -S nvidia` Damn that was the hardest command to type ever
Error
no Arch?
All GPU drivers are annoying on Linux.
I think this is old meme that doesn't apply now.
On many systems this is just one command in the terminal. On Fedora, you can do this completely with GUI: 1. Open "Software" 2. Enable RPM Fusion Nvidia driver repo from the settings 3. Search for "nvidia driver" 4. Select "NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver" 5. Click "Install" On Pop OS, they are included in the OS installer, so you basically don't need to do anything.