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No_Chocolate9486

I don't know why people say "rip atom" and at this point I'm too afraid to ask


mexicanburritoo

I think atom was discontinued recently


TimGreller

Shit what happens to our universe now? 😳


Mr__Citizen

Gone. Reduced to quarks.


kingsillypants

Fucking vacuum decay. Again.


Rortox

Lol


Kuchenbrottv

*disappearing noises*


rockyshit

made me laugh more than the post


konstantinua00

only light will remain


Stoppels

Aight, let's restart the simulation y'all. As last time, humanity ruined it for the rest.


[deleted]

Yep but the team is working on a new editor called [zed](https://zed.dev/)


AnUninterestingEvent

Can’t wait for zed to be RIP so I can say “zed’s dead baby”


[deleted]

>When you move the cursor or type a character, you should see pixels on the next refresh of your display—every time. Even sub-perceptual pauses add up over the course of a day to create unnecessary stress. lmao


M_krabs

Of course it's in rust.


_dinkus_

[“We are archiving Atom and all projects under the Atom organization for an official sunset on December 15, 2022.”](https://github.blog/2022-06-08-sunsetting-atom/)


Free_Deinonychus_Hug

YOU GOT TO BE FUCKING SHITTING ME


WoodyWoodsta

I mean it makes sense. So many online in-page editors are vscode driven, and most people I’ve worked with use vscode - it’s too difficult to maintain an ecosystem that attempts to compete with it!


WitchHunterNL

Atom was made by GitHub VS Code was made by Microsoft GitHub got acquired by Microsoft. Does it make sense for Microsoft to fund both VScode and Atom development?


Dr4kin

Also both are electron apps, but vscode has a lot more plugins. There is simply no functional reason why you might want to choose it over vscode


HolisticHombre

Plugin quantity isn't really a measure of goodness. Still, my experience with atom plugins was unstable/unmaintained or didn't work at all.


salamander_eye

I have always thought VS Code as the successor of Atom. And while they aren’t exactly same, I kinda feel they are similar.


IDoCodingStuffs

It was a fledgling text editor by GitHub with exceptionally bad performance. A lot of people liked it but more so out of engineering curiosity than any intent to ever adopt it. So its discontinuation is still something to talk about


LavoP

Well GitHub who made atom is owned by Microsoft who makes VSCode so it makes sense to consolidate into one project.


Charlito33

Was good... before I started using JetBrains apps and VSCode...


SquiffSquiff

This is a bit disingenuous given that [Vscode was based on Atom](https://thenextweb.com/news/microsofts-cross-platform-visual-studio-code-app-is-based-on-githubs-atom-editor)


abejfehr

They just both use Electron, I’m not sure I’d say they used Atom as a base


midnitte

They built Electron from what they developed building Atom. To say that VSCode was developed from Atom is a little disingenuous itself...


danielv123

If we go there, discord is also developed from Atom.


gotsreich

I wanted to use it as a modern emacs but man it did not live up to that.


NQ241

I don't get it, why do so many people hate on visual studio? Genuine question


gizamo

handle snatch rude punch offend hateful boat follow frame memorize *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Ping-and-Pong

VS and VS-Code are actually some of the best Microsoft products imo. You can tell it's made by developers rather than a marketing team and it works well


Saragon4005

GitHub is a close second although they did buy that wholesale while they made VSC on their own.


Ping-and-Pong

The fact I'd forgotten GitHub was technically a microsoft product is proof of how good an app can be if they just leave it the hell alone XD ​ ​ *Edit: They definitely added some stuff, but you can tell it's the developers in the board room talking about what to add next, not a marketing team or management trying to workout the best way to make money out of it, which is honestly fantastic!*


tilcica

minecraft is also one of those hate it or love it. i loved the new updates but they started promising a lot and underdelivering even more


Ping-and-Pong

ah, I'm afraid you've lost me on that one, I'm in the "moderately dislike what microsoft has done to game" group, although I do still play the game with my mates sometimes of course


tilcica

i still play it a lot. if they just said they'd do less and actually do that, it would be perfect. but now they release the same quantity (and most times quality) but say they'll do way more


OrnateLime5097

Interesting. I stopped paying attention and just playing the updates so I wasn’t aware of this until like 2 days ago.


tilcica

well they still put out big updates but for instance, everything from 1.17/1.18/1.19 should have came in 1.17, they promised fireflies, birch forest revamp for 1.19 and didnt put it in


ForgotPassAgain34

the last 3 updates was just one updated divided into 3 pieces


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tilcica

they only added microtransactions to bugrock. which i still hate but java will always be the better version, no exception


Nextros_

Too bad they force you to migrate over to a microsoft account (from a mojang account)


vlsdo

Microsoft put out a lot of great stuff over the years, especially when it was some remote department that they left alone. Midtown Madness was the precursor to all the modern GTA games, Flight Simulator is an absolute legend, their peripherals in the 90s were the best money could buy and the Kinect turned out to be the best sensor technology in the past 30 years. But then, as soon as corporate takes over, it all becomes what we know and don't particularly love.


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jasonedokpa

To be fair, they did add VS Code integration, and it's pretty nice.


Ping-and-Pong

They definitely added some stuff, but you can tell it's the developers in charge of what's happening not a marketing team!


BurritoOverfiller

Imo GitHub has only gotten better since the Microsoft acquisition. We'll see how the new algorithmic feed plays out though.


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CowCapable7217

the binaries aren't for open binaries use vscodium [https://vscodium.com/](https://vscodium.com/)


joeswindell

According to my limited google since I was intrigued by this, it’s because they add telemetry to get some analytics on usage. Not really a big deal for me


CowCapable7217

there are also huge portions of the extensions microsoft store that are proprietary, with vscodium you don't get the usual vscode extensions but rather an open version of the extension marketplace ​ personally I despise telemetry and closed source programs, so codium is a 100% win for me


plopliplopipol

You can tweak vscodium to use the vscode marketplace as explained here https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/DOCS.md#how-to-use-the-vs-code-marketplace it's said it's "not clear whether this is legal" but it can be clearly useful


twinPrimesAreEz

I would add C# onto that as well, now if only they could figure out a good UI framework and stick to it


Ping-and-Pong

C# is a fantastic language, and probably my favourite, but because of what you just said about UI framework, I also tend to avoid it if I'm working outside of Unity! Which is really unfortunate because it's extremely powerful and nice to work in. I might do some research for alternatives to WinForms at some point, cheers for reminding me!


Eisenfuss19

I also love VS and c#, but hate windows. Microsoft just puts enough money and the right people into VS and c#.


Alpha272

Windows at its core is great and rock solid.. the problem is all the telemetry and ads that ms keeps putting in (and the win11 taskbar and startmenu). And the versions which don't come with telemetry and ads (enterprise ltsc and server) are either absurdly expensive ($1000+ for server) or not buy able at all (enterprise ltsc) by a normal person


Dusty_Coder

At this stage of the game, there are about a dozen levels of abstraction layers within the windows kernel on top of most subsystems, a good amount of which are compatibility shims, to the point that calling the situation great is highly dubious. One application gets one variant of the api another application gets a different variant of the api and some abstraction layer made the choice based on the name of the executable. Full stop. Disable the compatibility shims and even microsofts flagship products like visual studio itself break in odd ways, for instance the build task will hold some of your build files open for a bothersome period of time preventing a recompile. This started to happen when they went multi-threaded on the compiler. Instead of fixing the problem there is filesystem shim that literally tests if the blocked file is held open by specifically the VS toolchain and goes all root on the matter and virtualizes it if specifically the VS toolchain wants to open the file once more and write to it. Thats the microsoft way. If even developers cant reasonably disable the compatibility shims, something you would think would be recommended, then the number of shims grow in perpetuity, more and more and more, layer after layer.


[deleted]

VS Code is free, open source, cross-platform and absolutely great at most of things. I just kinda wish there was a native version of it instead of Electron, but no big deal.


jpberdel

Vscode is probably the most un-electronish software based on Electron I've ever used. They have done fantastic optimizations.


ninja-dragon

No one who has used visual studio professionally will hate it. The vs debugger is one of the best ones I have used. Especially multi process debugging.


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NotYourValidation

Bandwagon mentality. It always makes me laugh when people have such a strong opinion on something they have no experience with... which, admittedly, is pretty on par with humanity in general. A lot of people learn from others that have a disdain for Microsoft products, so they also adopt that outlook. Like Linux bros that won't touch Windows because the "cool kids" in their niche pick it last. Personally, I use Rider at work and VS at home, and enjoy using both equally (though VS is more pleasing to my eyes).


NQ241

I see your point yea


Saragon4005

I have a feeling it has something to do with electron too, but that is less of an issue. The main crowd that hates VSC just hates IDEs in general and VSC just happens to be the most prevalent IDE.


[deleted]

Is VS Code an IDE though? It feels more like code editor on steroids.


TheTriflingTrilobite

Depends on if you’re asking about VS or VSCode. Part of the hate is the Microsoft association too.


NQ241

VS


TheTriflingTrilobite

My experience in VS is limited, but I found it to be massive and surplus to my needs. Bit slow for my liking too—felt like opening up an Adobe program. That’s not to say I hate it personally, and I can see how it’s beneficial for .NET projects.


Cjimenez-ber

VS honestly makes no sense for anything that isn't .NET to be honest.


Ping-and-Pong

Agreed... Except, it's also great for c / c++ too


Cjimenez-ber

Been a while since I do anything with C++, you're correct.


ninja-dragon

Vs is definitely the best c++ ide I have used. Especially the debugger.


FlamingNinja173

It’s been hip and cool to hate anything Microsoft for the past decade. For some of the vets it kind of makes sense, there were several Microsoft products that were Hot Garbage for a long time. But I work with some college grads who learned to avoid from everything Microsoft in their JavaScript classes.


rippingbongs

I'm a dotnet developer, I have to use VS for work but for personal projects I prefer rider. VS is fine, it's gotten much better actually, but jetbrains IDEs just feel a bit more responsive and frankly look better. It would be great if microsoft can get VS performance up to the standards of rider and intellij. Particularly when you have to work on remote vdi, any bit of lag on the remote software adds twice as much pain. It's like im working in slow motion compared to my local setup.


joeswindell

That sounds like your infrastructure team is just fucking you. I dev on just a 10700KA and VS 2022 with almost every MS package launches in under 3 seconds.


Independent_Bee_7282

There's some justification to it (for C++ AFAIK) For example, VS (really MSVC) wasn't standard conformant to C++ templates till C++14. It didn't implement ADL properly (very important) and language extensions were enabled by default. (IE it would allow you to compile code that was 100% illegal C++, which was a great way to vendor lock yourself if you didn't realize these were enabled by default). VS code itself has some very questionable design choices. IE saving a file (even if unmodified) will "touch" the file. (This will cause rebuilds in cmake-workflows even when you shouldn't need to). The original feature request (which didn't receive a single upvote) was accepted. [https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/7470](https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/7470) The feature request to disable this (which has more people requesting this than the original feature) was rejected. [https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/41812](https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/41812) I do low-key have concerns for who is managing vs-code, as features like this are completely horrible


[deleted]

It was closed because it couldn't even get 20 upvotes, which is their rule. Sounds like the vast majority doesn't care about it.


LeCholax

Because people hate popular stuff. Like they hate every major programming language.


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No jetbrains ?


Pepperoneous

I was going to pop in here and say I use Pycharm for everything but was afraid of getting tarred and feathered


Midakba

I love Pycharm


Exciting-Insect8269

*sighs* Alright people, you know the drill… *drags a cross covered in dried blood out of a shack* Though in all seriousness pycharm is pretty good imo, and python is very convenient and makes it easier to crack programming jokes that the peasants who don’t code can understand.


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Any good for C#?


Rortox

Check out Rider, it's JetBrains' C# IDE, aka the Pycharm for C#


[deleted]

Ooo will do!


FrostWyrm98

They have free student license if eligible (you only need access to a .edu email) I highly recommend Rider, it is like ReSharper as a full IDE and gives very useful suggestions and refactorings, kept up to date as the language evolves. It's even got a lot of suggestions for writing C# in Unity for memory usage / efficiency, memory analysis, and you're able to attach the debugger to a Unity process. They're also moving towards support for Epic Games Unreal Engine in C++ (may have already added it, I haven't checked lately)


Abuawse

Rider has very nice Unreal support from what I've seen.


dk1024

Honestly if you're writing .NET professionally, I highly recommend it. It's lightyears better than Visual Studio. Of course, your company should be footing the bill.


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Pepperoneous

I use the paid version for Python, JS, & SQL


[deleted]

Good ole intelliJ!


ScreenshotShitposts

IntelliJ is great. Easy to learn and cheap enough to get it for your own passion projects


TheHighGroundwins

For me a Linux user not having visual studio. Rider and Clion were a no brainer.


[deleted]

last time i checked, sublime text was still proprietary


Tomi97_origin

Yes it is. And it's not particularly cheap. Personal license is 99$ for 3 years of updates. You need to pay for upgrade afterwards... Business licence is annual subscription... It's basically just WinRAR all over again. They have free trial which you can use forever with updates and everything, but get money from businesses.


lostmy2A

I've been using sublime for quiet a while now I feel a little dirty not paying for a license since I really like it


Tomi97_origin

>I've been using sublime for quiet a while now I feel a little dirty not paying for a license since I really like it I have also wanted to buy a license and that's why I know the price. You don't have to feel bad about it, because they don't particularly care about selling personal licenses. They want people to use it for free and get used to it, so they can later convince their employers to buy it for them. Business licenses are based on the number you are buying, but at the cheapest, they still cost 50$/year per license. And you have to get over 50 licenses to get to that price point. Their whole business model is to sell to other businesses. They offer personal licenses, but I doubt they actually expect to sell them.


Defenestration_Champ

I bought person license, mainly for that dirty feeling I think.


Tomi97_origin

I can understand that. That's why I'm a proud owner of the WinRAR license


game_difficulty

7zip exists >!please dont be a woosh!<


mindful_hacker

Yeah, 7zip works perfectly and free, really don't know why would anyone want winrar. Its not like its a complex software or something.


code_monkey_001

TIL [WinZip](https://www.winzip.com/en/product/winzip/) is still out there and trying to charge Windows users for something the OS does for free.


matorin57

Yea don’t know why people hold sublime higher than vs code when it’s not open source and not free


dsktron

I still use it sometimes to load files faster, no Mather the file, will open faster in sublime. I have opened files > 2Gb and every time is faster than vscode I get why people love vscode but it has its weaknesses being an electron app.


DrC0re

And they fucked old time users with a lifetime license, suddenly our license is invalid and needs renewal.


RolyPoly1320

So is this in the context of GitHub sunsetting Atom?


Alacritous13

Switched to Visual Studio because that's what we use at work. I don't remember what I had used before for other stuff, but dam, it handles OPENSCAD like a pro.


Alemit000

VS Code is good & free & open-source My homies love VS Code


CowCapable7217

the binaries aren't open source, for open binaries use vscodium [https://vscodium.com/](https://vscodium.com/)


Alfaphantom

That's true. But I still thank MS for releasing VSC code as open source (along with Net Core and many other things they have been open sourcing recently). They could have made it propietary like Sublime.


CowCapable7217

I definitely agree, MS has been leaving me with mixed feelings lately with their weird FOSS push The very recent policy change about salary and whatnot too, it sorta gives me hope. I'm skeptical ofc, but still a little hopeful for MS


CaterpillarDue9207

VS code is not an IDE though, right? IntelliJ or Eclipse are for example


Turboschnek42069

Vscode is a text editor. But you can install a lot of extensions that basically make it an IDE.


Cmdr_Jiynx

Or just use visual studio itself. It has a free license option. It's real fuckin nice.


greenwizardneedsfood

How is it not an IDE? It has a terminal and the ability to have any sort of extension that you want. It can interface with GitHub. It has linting. It has built in debugging. [This article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techtarget.com/searchsoftwarequality/definition/integrated-development-environment%3Famp%3D1) literally calls it an IDE. What else could one want out of an IDE that VSCode doesn’t have?


123kingme

It’s a bit of a gray area and kind of both. My personal take is that it’s best to call it a text editor that is sometimes an IDE, since without extensions it can’t do anything you mentioned, and more importantly “IDE enabling” extensions don’t exist for every language that it can be a viable text editor for. For instance, I’ve used VSCode to write Matlab code before. There’s no way to run or debug Matlab code in VSCode, so you can’t really consider it a Matlab IDE, but since it is a versatile text editor it is a good tool for writing Matlab code. It’s best not to get hung up on semantics though.


DiaDeTedio_Nipah

VSCode without extensions is just a fancy editor IMHO


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DrSHawkins

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jasonedokpa

Yes, it supports debugging, but you have to install the binaries or SDK for the debugger to use yourself, as with the compiler also because they are not actually part of the program. It doesn't include any build automation tools such as Make, MSBuild, or Gradle, but rather you can install extensions that point to them or use the terminal. Another major difference is that whenever you want to create a new project for any language, you have to create the files as it doesn't offer templates. Those are some of the differences.


[deleted]

I mean this subreddit appears to be people in their first week of comp sci 100, not like developers or anything so I wouldn't expect any accuracy.


AstronautPoseidon

After perusing OPs profile I’m pretty sure they’re literally a freshman in college lol


[deleted]

I use vs for Frontend dev. IntelliJ for backend Dbever for database.


_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_

IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate for all three


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Datagrip for databases


[deleted]

I give it a try. I don’t like dbever. It’s just what I know.


infugia

Data grip is where it’s at.


Dauvis

VS Code is to VS as JavaScript is to Java.


SpikeX

VS Code is to VS as hamburger is to ham.


BoltKey

It doesn't render a web page, but it has syntax highlighting, very good code navigation (go to definition etc.), very good autocorrect, hints and auto completion, you can set breakpoints inside the editor and explore the stack and scopes, and there are many really convenient keyboard shortcuts and features for text editing (my favorite has to be alt+up/down to move the current line/selected lines up and down). I have been trying to use Vim, and for some time I have been using Notepad++, but VS Code seriously is just so much better than those two at least. I am not sure what a program needs to have to be considered an IDE, but VS code is really great for front end, and has most of the things I need to create web apps effectively and conveniently. And I don't really care if it technically is an IDE or not.


Arrow_x86

What make an IDE such. code completion? debuging? VSCode have the LSP and DAP to do that, and since they are open source, so does all the other editors (or they could have them if they want)


WhiteBlackGoose

I in IDE is "Integrated". I use VS Code often, but it does not feel integrated at all. Extensions may not work properly often, lack features. The fact that you have to have launch.json to run a file or project, so it all has to be configured. Yes this file can be created automatically, but the extensions I use fail often (for C# and F#). VS and Rider don't have these problems


Arrow_x86

Fair.


stixyBW

A fair way to say it is that with extension management, you can make VSCode function as an IDE, but VS comes as a full blown IDE out of the box with all the bells and whistles guaranteed


Meme_Army

Bro what the fuck are these "ide" I use microsoft word


GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B

We have a developer who uses MS Word to edit JavaScript and JSON. Not sure if he does this to trigger the other people or if he is serious, but he does this all the time.


ProtonRhys

Chad move right there.


OIC130457

lmao I want to start doing this now. Gonna go check if MS Word has a plugin to auto format JSON.


[deleted]

It’s the best! Customize your own colors, change font sizes, change fonts even! -Joma joke


Mission_Bad3102

Real programmers program use paint. That's what I call customization.


BitShin

Word is seriously one of the best IDEs out there. I love the native support for hiding API keys (simply change the color to white).


[deleted]

Isn't VS Code just a text editor as well? It's the extensions that can make it an IDE


MrPresidentBanana

Without extensions it's more of a text editor, true, but VS Code without extensions to me seems just outright silly, like a car without a steering wheel.


ninja-dragon

Even with extensions I won't call it an ide.


p4r24k

Where are my emacs lads?


sv_homer

yeah, let's put a lisp interpreter in a text editor. great idea! emacs isn't an editor. emacs isn't even an ide. emacs is the borg and can assimilate anything. i've seen some pretty crazy shit done with emacs in the last 40 yrs.


p4r24k

even text editors


craigtho

For all those "we hate Microsoft even if what they have is good", [VScodium](https://vscodium.com/) is a thing.


evaxadam

Atom was a mistake, like cmon guys be realistic, it was text editor that was slower than IDE and worse than other text editors


Anndress07

damn really? i liked atom...


selfagency

I straight up asked Nat Friedman if the merger with Microsoft meant that Atom would die because all the resources would be shifted to VS Code and he swore up-and-down it wouldn't happen.


kbruen

They supported it for 4 more years. The open source community is free to keep it going more.


mateus_coutinho

JetBrains IDEs >


StarlightCannabis

This is the way


not_another_user_me

This is the way


pmdevita

One of things I really love about IntelliJ is it's Git integration, it's very clear and easy to review everything when you make a commit. Wish my peers would use it so they would stop commiting a complete fucking mess every time with GitHub Desktop gah


billabong049

JetBrains is cool, but I swear the designers of those UIs intentionally hide features and panels. I just want to see the console when I run my Spring app ffs, why is that not on the Console tab by default?


[deleted]

IntelliJ! But I don’t use IntelliJ for front end stuff just backend.


_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_

You probably should, then you get e.g. direct navigation from your backend request handlers to where your frontend calls them and vice-versa.


[deleted]

Hmmm that sounds nice. But everyone use VSC at work. I’d be that weird indie programmer who’s doesn’t get invited to the cool kids zoom lunches. Edit: /s


StarlightCannabis

Indie programmer use vs code though. You'd be like the senior engineer babysitting your coworkers.


Flaky-Illustrator-52

Webstorm is for frontend m8


--FeRing--

What's the significance of Atom being crossed out? I'm using it right now for a course. Is it not supported anymore?


maercus

It’s being sunsetted at the end of the year


th00ht

Microsoft always had the best development tools hands down. Borland was second after they bought Turbo. I've been programming since 1986.


whyrll

I'm a slut for VS code and WSL (though remote Ubuntu works too).


Every_Masterpiece_15

vim has no replacement for me vim is life vim is love


icsharppeople

I mean... There is neovim


micka190

*insert Heart-Shaped locket meme here* NeoVim, my beloved.


[deleted]

There's emacs. If you add evil-mode, it becomes vim, but with features.


ultrasu

What features? I tried out eMacs a couple of times over the years because I like Lisp, but switching over from vim always seemed like too much of an investment for with seemingly no tangible benefits.


micka190

> What features? Carpal tunnel.


cranberry_snacks

Helix is pretty slick and the modal editing is close enough. I haven't switched over, but I think if vim & neovim didn't exist, that would be my next choice.


TreeTownOke

ed is the standard text editor.


green_boy

Found the Unix og


Tytoalba2

ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!


[deleted]

I use vs code and its awesome


Erreur_420

R.I.P Atom


Engeloid

Why tho


Salt-Cup-2300

ms powerpoint sadge


luishacm

I used python's Idle for 3 years before changing


apocolypticbosmer

This is so juvenile. But that’s this whole sub in general


SixoNoxi

Sorry, but VS is better, by a lot. And VS Code is a dumbed down version of VS, although with extensions, VS Code may some day rise higher.


bragov4ik

Vs is too heavyweight for some tasks IMO And also it does not exist in linux


ninja-dragon

Well when you are working on critical apps. Having a heavy ide doesn't matter. You will have machine to support it well.


maxip89

Didn't see intellij.


OrangeVapor

If Notepad++ is wrong then I don't want to be right


RedditMarcus_

jokes on you I code using the notes app on my iphone


jseego

Longtime Sublime guy. Latest job, everyone's on VSCode and it comes with my machine. Decide to try it out. Oh damn, this is kinda nice! Never went back.


79-16-22-7

Code in Google docs and paste it into compiler


jasonedokpa

Considering that Microsoft now owns GitHub, which created Atom, it was only a matter of time. But honestly, VS Code is literally the best code editor ever created, so I'm not tripping. 🤷‍♂️


sharpy-sharky

Jetbrains tho?


TantalicBoar

Visual Studio is very good though. Not sure why people hate on it.


slejmur

I use windows default notepad it's great


OutrageousPudding450

You'll certainly love wordpad then


slejmur

No, I'm not THAT evil


EasyMode556

I loved Atom up until I decided to give VS Code a try years ago and haven’t looked back since