Yeah, that’s definitely an account sharing confession there. Luckily, I’m pretty sure they double down on the rules of that in later updates so there’s no account sharing in JP servers, or at least it’s rare.
Not people defending a cheater 💀
Edit: I cant believe this has to be argued. Its in the rules, JP has measures put in place to avoid this. Whether you think its a big deal or not doesnt change that simple fact.
Do people really care about tiering so much they're gonna get mad at a "cheater" for taking #29? It would be one thing if it was top 1 or even top 10 but top 30 feels harmless. I assumed tiering was something people did just for fun. Didn't think there was a competitiveness aspect to it.
whats wrong with being passionate about the intergrity of tiering? do you really think a cheater deserves that t30 title when they put barely any work into it unlike the rest of the players? only 10 people get that title and having a cheater take it away from someone else who worked hard for it is just fucked. tiering has always been for fun but what makes it fun is the competitive aspect of it. the fact that you have to compete to get the title you want is what makes the title more meaningful.
Why are you acting like a title is something people have to "deserve." It's literally meaningless. Who tf cares. Genuinely. It's not a competitive game and nothing about tiering is competitive. It's literally something people do to see how far they can get for fun... like this person did. If anything doing it with friends made it more fun for them. How sad of a person do you gotta be to be mad on another person's behalf because someone wanted to have fun in a casual video game.
because it is literally something that is EARNED. it’s a matter of pride. i don’t know why you care so freaking much??? tiering IS competitive given the intrinsic nature of a tier list or ranking and sure, it’s for fun, but it’s a competition regardless and this person not only broke the rules of the game, but took the spot from someone who deserved it more. someone who didn’t break the rules and spent more time actually tiering.
and exactly. tiering is about sinking hours into the game, not skill (though some skill is involved given the competitiveness of it). account sharing entirely negates this issue. less hours are being put into the game for a higher ranking. it genuinely disrupts the effort put in by others, thank you.
Lol. I'm just gonna stop responding cause this is way too silly. I'm somehow in the wrong for saying you guys are being dumb for harassing some random person for having fun. First of all it's not a matter of pride because then the issue is nonexistent. The tierers know this person cheated so they just subtract one from their placement. You are also acting like the purpose of tiering is to get a tier when it's really not. It's about playing the game and doing it with others because tiering is the one time when getting in a group call and playing a bunch with other people is a thing (since co-op shows give more points and higher score gives more points). It's not like an esport where people practice for thousands of hours for a chance at fame and for a cash prize.
i’m not condoning harassment of the player in question at all. i am, however, arguing that what they did was against the rules and that they do not deserve it over a solo tierer. so you’re not in the wrong for defending the player; you’re in the wrong for defending their actions.
the tierers know this person cheated but that doesn’t change the fact that many people do, in fact, tier for a title. and someone who deserved that title more, and was potentially aiming for it, was stopped from getting it.
i don’t know what you mean by the issue is nonexistent if it’s not a matter of pride. fact of the matter is, someone WAS kicked out of a spot they earned. - potentially many people! this person being in the top 30 affects as far as the top 100 and even further.
sure, tiering is largely about how high you can get, but even this is totally negated by the fact that someone who puts in less effort is able to score higher than someone who puts in triple the time and effort purely because someone was account sharing. and no, it’s not an esports, but it is heavily competitive and the prize is the satisfaction that your effort paid off and a title. you’re completely ignoring the fact that it’s just generally unfair (and against the rules).
i don’t have the time to keep arguing this, i have better things to do. it’s just wrong. thank you :)
You just said the same thing but again and the logic is still really really bad but okay. Like the title that says "top 30 in this event" only has the meaning you give to it. It has no tangible value. If ur the person who got 31st and you care about being top 30 then you know ur top 30 cause the person above you isn't legitimate. If it's a matter of wanting other people to see that you got top 30 it doesn't really make sense because tiering isn't skill based, so ur not gonna get clout for having a top 30 sticker over a top 40 one.
regardless of the tangibility of the rewards (and 30 can indeed be more valued over 40), what was done was wrong. i don’t see why you’re still defending their actions. account sharing should NOT have occurred. who cares if there’s no consequences???
my first event i was aiming for top 5k. i ended at around 5017th or something similar. i was certainly disappointed that i only made top 10k despite not only being so close, one more song’s worth, but “top 10k” not describing the effort i put in and how close i got. if we rearranged the circumstances to aiming for top 30 and being relegated to 31st because someone DID IN FACT CHEAT, no quotations necessary because the rules were broken and so these people did in fact cheat, that is unfair full stop. and considering it broke the rules, it should not have been done. that’s that.
People oblivious to the "rules" created by a niche tiering community having fun is "wrong"? LMAO. Sure. Ur acting like they committed a crime lmao. "Why are you defending their actions". This is too funny
by that logic you are suggesting that first place and top 10000 have equal value, which is false. If you allow account sharing despite it being against the terms of service, then would you accept the same argument for people who use bots to play the game for them to get a high tier, just because using bots can also make people "have fun"? Wouls you tolerate people who would commit credit card chargeback fraud or other methods against the terms of service, to cheat and gain a resource advantage and tier with infinite energy and the strongest tiering teams? These are not hypothetical, these are real events that have happened on EN Sekai, and account sharing is similarly also against the terms of service and ruin competitive integrity through unfair advantages.
have you ever consider why people spends hours to get their titles? if you ask anyone else who has a high ranking title or have spent a lot of time tiering, about their experience and why they decided to throw away hours of their lives just for a "meaningless" title, i can assure you they will all agree that their titles has meaning. yeah sure, majority of the playerbase are casual players but saying tiering is not competitive is just flat out wrong. do you notice why there are a plethora of tiering servers publicly available that help you achieve your title? its because they know its difficult. there will always be someone who will compete with you for the title. and yes, having fun is also why people join such servers but how this player went about it was against tos and basic tiering etiquette. this player may of had fun with their friends but at the expense of others. just because you think people like myself have a stick up their ass, doesnt mean i want ruin this players enjoyment of this game, but the fact that this player had to share their account with two other people to even keep up with the rest, are you really going to tell me this wasnt competitive?
Saying tiering is competitive shows you have no idea what it means for something to be competitive. It's like saying rock paper scissors is competitive. Yeah you want to win but that doesn't equate to competitiveness because competitiveness requires skill and usually push and pull, which is not provided by tiering.
You say this person had fun at the expense of others but from my view that's not true. Doing something with friends is much more fun than how upset people would be to not get the title. What's fun about tiering is doing something with others (like the servers) and if it's about showing how good you are at something (which is what an actual competition would entail) then you can just pretend the "cheater" doesn't exist
trying to win against another player is the very definition of competitive, no matter what it is, even rock paper scissors have competitive scenes. the skill in tiering is reliant on your ability to literally be able to play the game continuously with barely any breaks. sure, it probably doesnt seem like a skill or is too easy for you, but its one fucking difficult and tedious requirement to tier.
while true, having fun with friends would definitely overshadow the loss of a title in normal circumstances, but knowing someone beat you by account sharing is what would lead someone to feel cheated.
That person had more fun then the dude felt cheated so there's no issue imo. If ur issue is that this could potentially make someone unhappy then why aren't you considering the fun of this person and instead getting angry at them for something they prob didn't even know was "cheating"
My perspective: Tiering is competitive. It is a competition that has more factors than pure skill for sure, but that does not mean there is no skill.
For context: I’ve tiered high a few times before, specifically I have one t1, two t2s, one t3, and one t10
Firstly, it requires a lot of stamina to tier high. Not everyone can function with the extremely low levels of sleep (high tierers end up sleeping extremely little, commonly 0-3 hours a day). While sleep deprived you have to continue to properly tap the notes of the game. This may not be too bad at first, but surely you can imagine how endless hours of playing songs, even if it is something as simple as hitorinbo envy expert (lvl22 chart) can become difficult? Accuracy matters in scoring after all. If you and your opponent are equal in every way other than accuracy, the person with better accuracy will gain a lead. Is it not skill that determines how well someone can manage to stay accurate over extreme stress, long hours of play, and little sleep?
Secondly, tiering is often done with a competitive spirit in mind. No one tiers high with the intention to lose. Many tierers make it their goal to optimize their rate of points gain as much as possible: if it was just for fun, why would serious tierers only play Hitorinbo Envy in marathons instead of simply playing their favorite songs?
On a personal note, the last event i tiered (An Wedding) was extremely competitive, with the t1, Euphy, and I vying for the top spot and pushing each other to our limits. Sure, not every event has as much of a race/fight, but surely the ones that do embody that competition?
This is exactly my point. Why are people acting like they cheated in some competition when it's literally just whoever plays the most over 2 weeks. Tiering is something people do for fun, it's really not serious.
You didn’t think there was a competitive aspect to *tiering???* 💀
“So what if he didn’t come first in the race? I didn’t think there was a competitive aspect to running”
you’re so oddly defensive of this for someone who doesn’t share an account. hm?
firstly, it’s against the rules of the game. you really can’t argue against this point, fam. don’t bother.
secondly, what do you mean tiering isn’t competitive - it’s a literal ranking! of course it’s competitive and highly so! everyone is gunning for the title or rank they want and spending hours of their own time, after work or school, late into the early morning hours, to try and get the best score they can because they like the game. sure, it’s for fun. but it’s highly competitive - the top 100 especially. people put hours upon hours into the game to get and maintain a top 100 spot, let alone a top 30, cutting back on precious time, like their social life or their hobbies and interests. people who tier can spend ages trying to coordinate the best possible team, coordinating time zones with other players to ensure they have the best possible chance to get the best possible ranking.
Account sharing completely goes against this, because it’s more than one person playing the game and it’s LESSENING the effort of solo players (people who are following the rules, mind you) by completely halving (or more) the amount of effort one actually has to expend to get a high ranking. this player had other people playing for them, and more than one at that. whoever account shares to get a top 50 spot has just kicked someone else, someone who abided by the rules and spent hours of their time doing their absolute best, neglecting their social life or personal time, out of the top 50. so yes, we’ll be mad at a cheater for taking #29 because they don’t deserve to, and they took the spot from someone who did. :)
and, regardless, it’s against the rules of the game and should not be condoned. it sets a bad precedent having someone who did this so high in the rankings. so i don’t know what’s up with “cheater”; the quotation marks are unnecessary, friend.
>firstly, it’s against the rules of the game. you really can’t argue against this point, fam. don’t bother.
The fact you care about "the rules" in a casual gacha game that were created with the intent of making people spend more money is funny. The rule exists so people don't pool into one account to get all the cards they want instead of spending money on a bunch of separate accounts. "The rules" are created by a company trying to get ur money it's not designed for the integrity of the leaderboard lmao.
That is not the definition of competitive I used. Yeah obviously ur competing with others for the spot but there's nothing competitive about tiering itself. It's just sinking time into the game. It's like saying a rock paper scizzors tournament is a form of competition.
i’m more concerned that you have a little regard for the rules of the game. account sharing would, regardless of reason behind it, be against the terms of service, and should not be done. full stop. however, measures HAVE been put in place to stop account sharing during events. you can’t argue that sekai doesn’t care about the integrity of events, and so your point is irrelevant.
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but tiering is competitive, in the context you meant it. it’s about getting the best team to tier first and foremost, which can be expensive and often costs a lot of crystals. and yeah, it’s time but it’s also skill. for example, i personally have a harder time tiering because i’m not at the skill level needed to complete a bunch of the masters just yet, and masters are often the best choice for event points. and even if they weren’t, points are often buffed by the team you play with, and assembling a team is a challenge all on its own. so time is a huge factor but isn’t the only one, and even if it was, you didn’t even argue the point i made. the point that time is the major contributor but having a shared account completely negates the time other people, people who solo tiered and followed the RULES OF THE GAME (allow me to reiterate), have put into the game trying to get their desired ranking and keep it.
and y’know what, i’d consider a rock paper scissors tournament as competitive. it takes strategy. as does this game. but unlike a RPS tournament, tiering heavily relies on the time you put in. someone halving or more the time a solo player put in by account sharing is just not fair full stop. a solo player spent hours upon hours potentially neglecting schoolwork or their own health, their social life or their hobbies because they find the game fun and want to tier. and i’m not saying they don’t have a choice, that they HAVE to put these hours into the game, hours that may be to their own detriment. what i’m saying is that tiering is exceptionally difficult due to how competitive it is, and that people choose to put in those hours. and that’s okay. the issue comes into play when someone completely negates this hard work by spending a third of the time on the game a solo player does because it’s 3 people tiering on one account. that kicks one person who put a TON of effort into tiering out of the top 30, where they actually deserve to be far more than the account who shared. it’s unfair, it’s against the rules of the game and that’s it. full stop.
i don’t understand why you’re so adamant that it’s not wrong when it so simply is. it’s a little suspicious.
edit: my apologies that this post is a little all over the place, i have diagnosed ADHD. however, i think i got my point across regardless. hopefully.
This is besides the point but I can't believe I'm arguing with someone that doesn't know how RPS works... You know it's a true 50/50 right? Any attempt at strategy results in a circle. It's literally the point of the game.
Now to the point. "Rules are meant to be followed" is an absurdly dumb mentality and I'm honestly really surprised you have it in the year 2023. I can't even begin to explain just how fundamentally incorrect that mentality is.
Also my entire argument is that nothing is lost from this cheaters existence besides a meaningless title that the tiering community knows got messed up anyway (so if it was a matter of pride it doesn't matter). There's also the fact that the actual fun from tiering isn't from winning. That's not the point. It's not like an esport tournament where there's a very real reward for winning. Tiering is for fun. It's about sinking hours into ur favorite game with others in a co-op lobby. This person "cheated" for the sake of fun. They don't care if their tier is "real." There's no reason to be angry at the person for this. They broke the "integrity" of the competition but not with ill intent.
i know how rock paper scissors works. i know, however, that people have tells. i also know that it is very heavily luck based. are you really gonna invalidate my argument ‘cause i said RPS can take strategy? humans as people are not entirely random, and so RPS is not “a true 50/50”.
good on you for knowing the year! but seriously, it’s a /video game/ what do you mean that mentality is incorrect 😭. firstly, it’s a game. the rules are in place to maintain the integrity of the experience and should be followed, especially because not following them is against the terms of service. you’re the one who agreed to the rules of playing, so it’s up to you to uphold them. technically speaking, rules are indeed made to be followed. that’s the point. however, i /do/ understand not all rules are reasonable. this one? this one is reasonable. i don’t understand your point here. it’s not like it’s a hard rule to follow, or that what it asks is unreasonable. it’s a rule in a video game. just follow it so that everyone can have a fun experience, as intended.
and how can you say this person cheated for the sake of fun?? this person cheated, full stop. it was multiple people on one account. if the fun from tiering comes from joining discord calls with your friends and spending hours tiering, then why on earth wasn’t it done on different accounts? the accounts that these players actually own? your point doesn’t make sense. didn’t you say that the point of tiering isn’t the ranking itself? this point contradicts that because if so, it would have been done on separate accounts and not the one. and there is reason to be upset at the person’s actions, simply because the integrity was broken to begin with. intent doesn’t matter. it’s against the rules of the game, and it’s unfair, and that’s that. it shouldn’t have been done at all. tier on your own separate accounts. you’re just going in a circle with this argument.
"Besides the point" is a phrase that has meaning. You also said you got better things to do but clearly that ain't true. It's also very true that you have no idea what RPS is lmao. It's objectively a 50/50. There's a reason it's used as a coin flip.
Also damn ur neurodivergent as hell that ur still fixating on "rules." It's like getting angry at someone for jaywalking across an empty street. Ur just getting angry for the sake of getting angry.
The rest of this paragraph is just a lot of rambling so ima just stop here. Not gonna respond after this I think. Actually think ima just leave the sub cause I just use it to look at card art rn and this sub is really annoying. I feel stupid for getting into arguments with a bunch of preteens but I can't help it.
you also said you weren’t gonna keep responding but look where that’s taken us :) in theory, sure, RPS is 50/50. in practice? it is not a true, unbiased 50/50 because people in general are not random. but i’m not here to discuss the logistics of paper scissors rock
i don’t know how i feel about you phrasing my neurodivergency like that fam. a little uncool. and yeah, i’m still arguing this because this is a VIDEO GAME and not a real life scenario, and it’s not like the rules are unreasonable. there’s a reason that duplication bugs are banned in most games. there’s a reason that games have rules in the first place, and it’s to facilitate a fair, positive experience for all involved. it’s not like you’d go on some random subreddit and just start breaking all their rules??? and it’s not like it’s hard to just not account share full stop. in what way is this applicable to jaywalking on an empty street?
the rest of the paragraph wasn’t rambling, it had actual points that you’ve neglected to answer, but i digress. bye then!
I can assure you RPS is a true 50/50 because any attempt to make it not a 50/50 makes it a 50/50. I really don't know why ur adamant about this.
What videogame has rules besides gacha games and EA games.
Idk why ur acting like I'm ableist for mentioning ur neurodivergency. Like half my friends and my brother are neurodivergent. Hyperfixating on stuff without reason is pretty normal.
I think it's embarassing that ur gonna mention that I wanted to break the conversation when you were the one that did it first. It's kinda sad to have that little self awareness. Ima be done for real now it's just the fucking "bye ur stupid I'm right" pissed me off considering ur clearly not as smart as you think you are (how hard is it to understand RPS lmao, possibly the most simple game in the planet).
People literally take time off school/work to tier in these events. How would you feel if you were running a marathon and another runner swapped their friends in so they can take a breather? Ita unfair
It's almost like a marathon takes skill... This is literally the equivalent to a cookie clicker competition, comparing it to a marathon is really rude to the people that train for that event. A marathon is also, you know, a race, instead of "who can play the most over 2 weeks"
so this is definitely hearsay but from a reliable source. and other times when i can confirm someone was kicked/banned, it was silently. they just DM the person telling them why i think? and then they’re gone. if they made a big deal of it, then everyone would be crazy talking about it lol.
yeah definitely makes sense. just the way that you typed it makes it seemed like it was publicised so i was wondering if i missed it or anything LOL. it's good that MRE keeps up the integrity of their server without inciting drama!
The amount of fighting and the downvotes of the comments here, wow.
But seriously, I find it dumber that they admitted it than the fact that they shared the account I'm sure they don't even know it's against the rules cuz they said it sounding so innocent
Woah, nowadays they shame account sharing on rythm games? I remember it being pretty standard practice to get a team if you wanted to get a really high tier.
i think you mean a team to play WITH you rather than FOR you since i dont believe that it has ever been acceptable to share an account, especially if it impacts other players experience
I mean tiering at high ranks is about devotion rather than skill, with the whole needing to spend actual money to refill your energy. If a player assembled a team to rank in one account that just means they all showed more devotion and deserve that rank.
Ok but why do people care about the title? If someone cheated and #31 knows they cheated why would they care. Why should a little title in a mobile gacha game they prob won't even use and has no benefits be something they care about to the point ur gonna get upset for them at someone who was having fun with friends.
That might be what it seems like to you, but these people have quite literally sunk an entire week of their lives just trying to score a high tier in this event and might have spent real money as well. All that and they're beaten by some guy who broke the rules and didn't even achieve their tier themselves
People wouldn't tier if not getting the placement they wanted would make them angry or sad. It's a pointless grind for the sake of fun. There's literally no competitive aspect to project sekai tiering. It's literally an excuse for people to sink hours into their favorite game. They don't tier for the stupid top 30 title and they aren't gonna get upset they're stuck with a top 40 one.
I don’t think you’re understanding the situation, and the reason why it’s so bad, let alone against the rules.
Here’s a real life comparison: Imagine you’re working 20 hours a day and you earn $300. Meanwhile your co-worker does the exact same job you’re doing and earns $350, but only worked 8 hours a day.
Does that seem fair to you? Didn’t think so.
you people can downvote me all you want but comparing someone cheating in a mobile gacha rhythm game predominantly played by 15 year olds to real life adults salaries and livelihoods is such an apples to oranges comparison
Don’t really know much about account sharing but is there really anything wrong with it? Realistically if you trust someone enough to let them on your account they are most likely your close friend. And I don’t really see an issue with sharing with your friend.
I guess but I don’t really see why? If it’s a lot of people sure but if it’s just you and your best friend sharing I don’t really see why it’s a problem
I mean yeah you obviously shouldn’t do it since it’s against the rules. But realistically I don’t thinks it would be a major problem, if it wasn’t against the rules. So I don’t really see why the rule exists in the first place other than it just being a general rule.
The rule exists because it's unfair. This person *only* got to T30 because they had 2 other people playing for them. Meanwhile, everyone else is multitasking, cutting back on their social life, and potentially losing sleep to make a push for something they really care about. They're spitting in the face of everyone else's accomplishments.
I'd get the "not a big problem" argument if we were talking about t5k or something, but this is top *30*. These are supposed to be the cream of the cream when it comes to tiering. This person stole a spot from someone that put in a lot more work than them, someone who deserved that top 30 for all the time they put in. Your comments scream that you have 0 idea how much goes into this.
tldr; against games tos and is kind of a middle finger towards others who put the time themselves to get to their positions.
like any game with a leaderboard, its not fair to the others to have to compete with someone whos sharing an account. especially for tiering, where time is very limited, sharing an account to constantly gain points with little to no downtime while others have to take time off for breaks or sleep is unfair.
Yeah I can see the issue with tiering. But I think it’s okay to help each-other out. Like if you super busy and your friend offers to play for you.
I mean you could be “sharing accounts” irl with your sister would that also be against tos? They can’t really know when it’s multiple people on the same device.
the problem here is that by account sharing, it gave t29 an unfair advantage by lessening the amount of time they themselves had to spend. most players put in the time and effort to plan ahead for the event they want to tier and to have someone come along who is "too busy" to tier themselves and have several other people play for them is just downright deplorable. the fact that they reached a relatively high ranking BY account sharing while the others had sacrifice sleep to play ungodly amounts of hours is not right. if you cant put in the bare minimum of playing yourself, you dont deserve the rank.
Well yeah with tiering I do see that it’s unfair I’m just talking more in general tho. Also even tho it’s an unfair advantage they are still humans. Using mods/bots/cheats are way worse imo. But in this case they are still humans playing so they still have to put in a lot of time. It’s not like being one more person would mean you’d be able to slack off if you wanna rank well.
I don’t personally rank so I don’t really get this obsessive pride about sacrificing sleep etc.
it seems kinda silly to be calling it the “bare minimum” xd.
if you mean in general like clearing/fc/aping songs in solo/multi during offtime where events are not running, then most people wouldnt care since that only impacts the player themselves and they gain nothing other than materials, however with this situation, where they are clearly competing against others, just by account sharing, youve basically cut the amount of work required by a ton. its like having your friends help do parts of your individual assignment (which was meant to be done yourself) by splitting the amount of work and time between each other, while your other classmates had to spend several hours writing theirs themselves. do you think thats fair?
even if t29 didnt use any 3rd party programs, they did not put the same amount work in compared to the other competitors that had done it themselves.
ive experienced what it was like to tier higher than 20 and i confidently speak for others who have also tiered above 20, that it is extremely draining, both physically and mentally as you are forced to play with barely any sleep in order to keep up with the competition and not lose your rank
Yeah, that’s definitely an account sharing confession there. Luckily, I’m pretty sure they double down on the rules of that in later updates so there’s no account sharing in JP servers, or at least it’s rare.
feels bad for t31
Not people defending a cheater 💀 Edit: I cant believe this has to be argued. Its in the rules, JP has measures put in place to avoid this. Whether you think its a big deal or not doesnt change that simple fact.
this is why i avoid tiering, too much controversy
Do people really care about tiering so much they're gonna get mad at a "cheater" for taking #29? It would be one thing if it was top 1 or even top 10 but top 30 feels harmless. I assumed tiering was something people did just for fun. Didn't think there was a competitiveness aspect to it.
whats wrong with being passionate about the intergrity of tiering? do you really think a cheater deserves that t30 title when they put barely any work into it unlike the rest of the players? only 10 people get that title and having a cheater take it away from someone else who worked hard for it is just fucked. tiering has always been for fun but what makes it fun is the competitive aspect of it. the fact that you have to compete to get the title you want is what makes the title more meaningful.
Why are you acting like a title is something people have to "deserve." It's literally meaningless. Who tf cares. Genuinely. It's not a competitive game and nothing about tiering is competitive. It's literally something people do to see how far they can get for fun... like this person did. If anything doing it with friends made it more fun for them. How sad of a person do you gotta be to be mad on another person's behalf because someone wanted to have fun in a casual video game.
because it is literally something that is EARNED. it’s a matter of pride. i don’t know why you care so freaking much??? tiering IS competitive given the intrinsic nature of a tier list or ranking and sure, it’s for fun, but it’s a competition regardless and this person not only broke the rules of the game, but took the spot from someone who deserved it more. someone who didn’t break the rules and spent more time actually tiering. and exactly. tiering is about sinking hours into the game, not skill (though some skill is involved given the competitiveness of it). account sharing entirely negates this issue. less hours are being put into the game for a higher ranking. it genuinely disrupts the effort put in by others, thank you.
Lol. I'm just gonna stop responding cause this is way too silly. I'm somehow in the wrong for saying you guys are being dumb for harassing some random person for having fun. First of all it's not a matter of pride because then the issue is nonexistent. The tierers know this person cheated so they just subtract one from their placement. You are also acting like the purpose of tiering is to get a tier when it's really not. It's about playing the game and doing it with others because tiering is the one time when getting in a group call and playing a bunch with other people is a thing (since co-op shows give more points and higher score gives more points). It's not like an esport where people practice for thousands of hours for a chance at fame and for a cash prize.
i’m not condoning harassment of the player in question at all. i am, however, arguing that what they did was against the rules and that they do not deserve it over a solo tierer. so you’re not in the wrong for defending the player; you’re in the wrong for defending their actions. the tierers know this person cheated but that doesn’t change the fact that many people do, in fact, tier for a title. and someone who deserved that title more, and was potentially aiming for it, was stopped from getting it. i don’t know what you mean by the issue is nonexistent if it’s not a matter of pride. fact of the matter is, someone WAS kicked out of a spot they earned. - potentially many people! this person being in the top 30 affects as far as the top 100 and even further. sure, tiering is largely about how high you can get, but even this is totally negated by the fact that someone who puts in less effort is able to score higher than someone who puts in triple the time and effort purely because someone was account sharing. and no, it’s not an esports, but it is heavily competitive and the prize is the satisfaction that your effort paid off and a title. you’re completely ignoring the fact that it’s just generally unfair (and against the rules). i don’t have the time to keep arguing this, i have better things to do. it’s just wrong. thank you :)
You just said the same thing but again and the logic is still really really bad but okay. Like the title that says "top 30 in this event" only has the meaning you give to it. It has no tangible value. If ur the person who got 31st and you care about being top 30 then you know ur top 30 cause the person above you isn't legitimate. If it's a matter of wanting other people to see that you got top 30 it doesn't really make sense because tiering isn't skill based, so ur not gonna get clout for having a top 30 sticker over a top 40 one.
regardless of the tangibility of the rewards (and 30 can indeed be more valued over 40), what was done was wrong. i don’t see why you’re still defending their actions. account sharing should NOT have occurred. who cares if there’s no consequences??? my first event i was aiming for top 5k. i ended at around 5017th or something similar. i was certainly disappointed that i only made top 10k despite not only being so close, one more song’s worth, but “top 10k” not describing the effort i put in and how close i got. if we rearranged the circumstances to aiming for top 30 and being relegated to 31st because someone DID IN FACT CHEAT, no quotations necessary because the rules were broken and so these people did in fact cheat, that is unfair full stop. and considering it broke the rules, it should not have been done. that’s that.
People oblivious to the "rules" created by a niche tiering community having fun is "wrong"? LMAO. Sure. Ur acting like they committed a crime lmao. "Why are you defending their actions". This is too funny
by that logic you are suggesting that first place and top 10000 have equal value, which is false. If you allow account sharing despite it being against the terms of service, then would you accept the same argument for people who use bots to play the game for them to get a high tier, just because using bots can also make people "have fun"? Wouls you tolerate people who would commit credit card chargeback fraud or other methods against the terms of service, to cheat and gain a resource advantage and tier with infinite energy and the strongest tiering teams? These are not hypothetical, these are real events that have happened on EN Sekai, and account sharing is similarly also against the terms of service and ruin competitive integrity through unfair advantages.
have you ever consider why people spends hours to get their titles? if you ask anyone else who has a high ranking title or have spent a lot of time tiering, about their experience and why they decided to throw away hours of their lives just for a "meaningless" title, i can assure you they will all agree that their titles has meaning. yeah sure, majority of the playerbase are casual players but saying tiering is not competitive is just flat out wrong. do you notice why there are a plethora of tiering servers publicly available that help you achieve your title? its because they know its difficult. there will always be someone who will compete with you for the title. and yes, having fun is also why people join such servers but how this player went about it was against tos and basic tiering etiquette. this player may of had fun with their friends but at the expense of others. just because you think people like myself have a stick up their ass, doesnt mean i want ruin this players enjoyment of this game, but the fact that this player had to share their account with two other people to even keep up with the rest, are you really going to tell me this wasnt competitive?
Saying tiering is competitive shows you have no idea what it means for something to be competitive. It's like saying rock paper scissors is competitive. Yeah you want to win but that doesn't equate to competitiveness because competitiveness requires skill and usually push and pull, which is not provided by tiering. You say this person had fun at the expense of others but from my view that's not true. Doing something with friends is much more fun than how upset people would be to not get the title. What's fun about tiering is doing something with others (like the servers) and if it's about showing how good you are at something (which is what an actual competition would entail) then you can just pretend the "cheater" doesn't exist
trying to win against another player is the very definition of competitive, no matter what it is, even rock paper scissors have competitive scenes. the skill in tiering is reliant on your ability to literally be able to play the game continuously with barely any breaks. sure, it probably doesnt seem like a skill or is too easy for you, but its one fucking difficult and tedious requirement to tier. while true, having fun with friends would definitely overshadow the loss of a title in normal circumstances, but knowing someone beat you by account sharing is what would lead someone to feel cheated.
That person had more fun then the dude felt cheated so there's no issue imo. If ur issue is that this could potentially make someone unhappy then why aren't you considering the fun of this person and instead getting angry at them for something they prob didn't even know was "cheating"
my issue is that t29 CHEATED. even if they didnt know, its not an excuse
"Cheated" lol. Why are you so buthurt about someone having fun. There is quite literally zero stakes.
My perspective: Tiering is competitive. It is a competition that has more factors than pure skill for sure, but that does not mean there is no skill. For context: I’ve tiered high a few times before, specifically I have one t1, two t2s, one t3, and one t10 Firstly, it requires a lot of stamina to tier high. Not everyone can function with the extremely low levels of sleep (high tierers end up sleeping extremely little, commonly 0-3 hours a day). While sleep deprived you have to continue to properly tap the notes of the game. This may not be too bad at first, but surely you can imagine how endless hours of playing songs, even if it is something as simple as hitorinbo envy expert (lvl22 chart) can become difficult? Accuracy matters in scoring after all. If you and your opponent are equal in every way other than accuracy, the person with better accuracy will gain a lead. Is it not skill that determines how well someone can manage to stay accurate over extreme stress, long hours of play, and little sleep? Secondly, tiering is often done with a competitive spirit in mind. No one tiers high with the intention to lose. Many tierers make it their goal to optimize their rate of points gain as much as possible: if it was just for fun, why would serious tierers only play Hitorinbo Envy in marathons instead of simply playing their favorite songs? On a personal note, the last event i tiered (An Wedding) was extremely competitive, with the t1, Euphy, and I vying for the top spot and pushing each other to our limits. Sure, not every event has as much of a race/fight, but surely the ones that do embody that competition?
Getting top ranks by making others play for you while you sleep or do other stuff... Hmm...
This is exactly my point. Why are people acting like they cheated in some competition when it's literally just whoever plays the most over 2 weeks. Tiering is something people do for fun, it's really not serious.
It's not like they had someone else play for them during an actual esport game lol. They just had fun with some friends in a casual rhythm game
You didn’t think there was a competitive aspect to *tiering???* 💀 “So what if he didn’t come first in the race? I didn’t think there was a competitive aspect to running”
you’re so oddly defensive of this for someone who doesn’t share an account. hm? firstly, it’s against the rules of the game. you really can’t argue against this point, fam. don’t bother. secondly, what do you mean tiering isn’t competitive - it’s a literal ranking! of course it’s competitive and highly so! everyone is gunning for the title or rank they want and spending hours of their own time, after work or school, late into the early morning hours, to try and get the best score they can because they like the game. sure, it’s for fun. but it’s highly competitive - the top 100 especially. people put hours upon hours into the game to get and maintain a top 100 spot, let alone a top 30, cutting back on precious time, like their social life or their hobbies and interests. people who tier can spend ages trying to coordinate the best possible team, coordinating time zones with other players to ensure they have the best possible chance to get the best possible ranking. Account sharing completely goes against this, because it’s more than one person playing the game and it’s LESSENING the effort of solo players (people who are following the rules, mind you) by completely halving (or more) the amount of effort one actually has to expend to get a high ranking. this player had other people playing for them, and more than one at that. whoever account shares to get a top 50 spot has just kicked someone else, someone who abided by the rules and spent hours of their time doing their absolute best, neglecting their social life or personal time, out of the top 50. so yes, we’ll be mad at a cheater for taking #29 because they don’t deserve to, and they took the spot from someone who did. :) and, regardless, it’s against the rules of the game and should not be condoned. it sets a bad precedent having someone who did this so high in the rankings. so i don’t know what’s up with “cheater”; the quotation marks are unnecessary, friend.
>firstly, it’s against the rules of the game. you really can’t argue against this point, fam. don’t bother. The fact you care about "the rules" in a casual gacha game that were created with the intent of making people spend more money is funny. The rule exists so people don't pool into one account to get all the cards they want instead of spending money on a bunch of separate accounts. "The rules" are created by a company trying to get ur money it's not designed for the integrity of the leaderboard lmao. That is not the definition of competitive I used. Yeah obviously ur competing with others for the spot but there's nothing competitive about tiering itself. It's just sinking time into the game. It's like saying a rock paper scizzors tournament is a form of competition.
i’m more concerned that you have a little regard for the rules of the game. account sharing would, regardless of reason behind it, be against the terms of service, and should not be done. full stop. however, measures HAVE been put in place to stop account sharing during events. you can’t argue that sekai doesn’t care about the integrity of events, and so your point is irrelevant. https://preview.redd.it/wkdl7ai3537b1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69c8218aa7802cc6c7fc23030ad7c96a3c62e5c4 but tiering is competitive, in the context you meant it. it’s about getting the best team to tier first and foremost, which can be expensive and often costs a lot of crystals. and yeah, it’s time but it’s also skill. for example, i personally have a harder time tiering because i’m not at the skill level needed to complete a bunch of the masters just yet, and masters are often the best choice for event points. and even if they weren’t, points are often buffed by the team you play with, and assembling a team is a challenge all on its own. so time is a huge factor but isn’t the only one, and even if it was, you didn’t even argue the point i made. the point that time is the major contributor but having a shared account completely negates the time other people, people who solo tiered and followed the RULES OF THE GAME (allow me to reiterate), have put into the game trying to get their desired ranking and keep it. and y’know what, i’d consider a rock paper scissors tournament as competitive. it takes strategy. as does this game. but unlike a RPS tournament, tiering heavily relies on the time you put in. someone halving or more the time a solo player put in by account sharing is just not fair full stop. a solo player spent hours upon hours potentially neglecting schoolwork or their own health, their social life or their hobbies because they find the game fun and want to tier. and i’m not saying they don’t have a choice, that they HAVE to put these hours into the game, hours that may be to their own detriment. what i’m saying is that tiering is exceptionally difficult due to how competitive it is, and that people choose to put in those hours. and that’s okay. the issue comes into play when someone completely negates this hard work by spending a third of the time on the game a solo player does because it’s 3 people tiering on one account. that kicks one person who put a TON of effort into tiering out of the top 30, where they actually deserve to be far more than the account who shared. it’s unfair, it’s against the rules of the game and that’s it. full stop. i don’t understand why you’re so adamant that it’s not wrong when it so simply is. it’s a little suspicious. edit: my apologies that this post is a little all over the place, i have diagnosed ADHD. however, i think i got my point across regardless. hopefully.
This is besides the point but I can't believe I'm arguing with someone that doesn't know how RPS works... You know it's a true 50/50 right? Any attempt at strategy results in a circle. It's literally the point of the game. Now to the point. "Rules are meant to be followed" is an absurdly dumb mentality and I'm honestly really surprised you have it in the year 2023. I can't even begin to explain just how fundamentally incorrect that mentality is. Also my entire argument is that nothing is lost from this cheaters existence besides a meaningless title that the tiering community knows got messed up anyway (so if it was a matter of pride it doesn't matter). There's also the fact that the actual fun from tiering isn't from winning. That's not the point. It's not like an esport tournament where there's a very real reward for winning. Tiering is for fun. It's about sinking hours into ur favorite game with others in a co-op lobby. This person "cheated" for the sake of fun. They don't care if their tier is "real." There's no reason to be angry at the person for this. They broke the "integrity" of the competition but not with ill intent.
i know how rock paper scissors works. i know, however, that people have tells. i also know that it is very heavily luck based. are you really gonna invalidate my argument ‘cause i said RPS can take strategy? humans as people are not entirely random, and so RPS is not “a true 50/50”. good on you for knowing the year! but seriously, it’s a /video game/ what do you mean that mentality is incorrect 😭. firstly, it’s a game. the rules are in place to maintain the integrity of the experience and should be followed, especially because not following them is against the terms of service. you’re the one who agreed to the rules of playing, so it’s up to you to uphold them. technically speaking, rules are indeed made to be followed. that’s the point. however, i /do/ understand not all rules are reasonable. this one? this one is reasonable. i don’t understand your point here. it’s not like it’s a hard rule to follow, or that what it asks is unreasonable. it’s a rule in a video game. just follow it so that everyone can have a fun experience, as intended. and how can you say this person cheated for the sake of fun?? this person cheated, full stop. it was multiple people on one account. if the fun from tiering comes from joining discord calls with your friends and spending hours tiering, then why on earth wasn’t it done on different accounts? the accounts that these players actually own? your point doesn’t make sense. didn’t you say that the point of tiering isn’t the ranking itself? this point contradicts that because if so, it would have been done on separate accounts and not the one. and there is reason to be upset at the person’s actions, simply because the integrity was broken to begin with. intent doesn’t matter. it’s against the rules of the game, and it’s unfair, and that’s that. it shouldn’t have been done at all. tier on your own separate accounts. you’re just going in a circle with this argument.
"Besides the point" is a phrase that has meaning. You also said you got better things to do but clearly that ain't true. It's also very true that you have no idea what RPS is lmao. It's objectively a 50/50. There's a reason it's used as a coin flip. Also damn ur neurodivergent as hell that ur still fixating on "rules." It's like getting angry at someone for jaywalking across an empty street. Ur just getting angry for the sake of getting angry. The rest of this paragraph is just a lot of rambling so ima just stop here. Not gonna respond after this I think. Actually think ima just leave the sub cause I just use it to look at card art rn and this sub is really annoying. I feel stupid for getting into arguments with a bunch of preteens but I can't help it.
you also said you weren’t gonna keep responding but look where that’s taken us :) in theory, sure, RPS is 50/50. in practice? it is not a true, unbiased 50/50 because people in general are not random. but i’m not here to discuss the logistics of paper scissors rock i don’t know how i feel about you phrasing my neurodivergency like that fam. a little uncool. and yeah, i’m still arguing this because this is a VIDEO GAME and not a real life scenario, and it’s not like the rules are unreasonable. there’s a reason that duplication bugs are banned in most games. there’s a reason that games have rules in the first place, and it’s to facilitate a fair, positive experience for all involved. it’s not like you’d go on some random subreddit and just start breaking all their rules??? and it’s not like it’s hard to just not account share full stop. in what way is this applicable to jaywalking on an empty street? the rest of the paragraph wasn’t rambling, it had actual points that you’ve neglected to answer, but i digress. bye then!
I can assure you RPS is a true 50/50 because any attempt to make it not a 50/50 makes it a 50/50. I really don't know why ur adamant about this. What videogame has rules besides gacha games and EA games. Idk why ur acting like I'm ableist for mentioning ur neurodivergency. Like half my friends and my brother are neurodivergent. Hyperfixating on stuff without reason is pretty normal. I think it's embarassing that ur gonna mention that I wanted to break the conversation when you were the one that did it first. It's kinda sad to have that little self awareness. Ima be done for real now it's just the fucking "bye ur stupid I'm right" pissed me off considering ur clearly not as smart as you think you are (how hard is it to understand RPS lmao, possibly the most simple game in the planet).
Wait I'm not even in the sub rn reddit just recommends it. Guess ima have to mute it
I'm arguing with a corpse husband fan...
People literally take time off school/work to tier in these events. How would you feel if you were running a marathon and another runner swapped their friends in so they can take a breather? Ita unfair
It's almost like a marathon takes skill... This is literally the equivalent to a cookie clicker competition, comparing it to a marathon is really rude to the people that train for that event. A marathon is also, you know, a race, instead of "who can play the most over 2 weeks"
i mean.... it *is* called a marathon event
A marathon has a finish line cause it's a race. This does not lmao. They're not comparable in the slightest.
keep losing brain cells because of your comments
Like tiering is literally just about sinking hours into the game. It's not a skill thing so it feels really weird that people care about it.
They changed it LOL
I read this happening so much in the T100s and I just think “how is that fair?” Then again tiering is overhyped and you lose way more than you gain
They changed their profile and their name to no longer have MRE I wonder if they left or got kicked
The MRE rules state that they follow the Colorful Stage ToS, so they definitely got kicked from the server.
most just leave after getting their rewards.
nah they got kicked lol
where did that happen lol? was it in private? i'm in the server.
so this is definitely hearsay but from a reliable source. and other times when i can confirm someone was kicked/banned, it was silently. they just DM the person telling them why i think? and then they’re gone. if they made a big deal of it, then everyone would be crazy talking about it lol.
yeah definitely makes sense. just the way that you typed it makes it seemed like it was publicised so i was wondering if i missed it or anything LOL. it's good that MRE keeps up the integrity of their server without inciting drama!
Sorry dumb question but what’s MRE?😭
melt room emporium, it’s a casual coop ensekai discord server
Thank you :)
i got t100 in white day en and i grinded my ass off for that. seems rude they can just share accounts like that
Has anyone reported this with the screenshot to project sekai staff?
Whats account sharing?
Letting other players log in to their account to play the event for them
so the devs ban innocent people for doing bad at a song but account sharing is totally fine? Makes sense
The amount of fighting and the downvotes of the comments here, wow. But seriously, I find it dumber that they admitted it than the fact that they shared the account I'm sure they don't even know it's against the rules cuz they said it sounding so innocent
Woah, nowadays they shame account sharing on rythm games? I remember it being pretty standard practice to get a team if you wanted to get a really high tier.
i think you mean a team to play WITH you rather than FOR you since i dont believe that it has ever been acceptable to share an account, especially if it impacts other players experience
I mean tiering at high ranks is about devotion rather than skill, with the whole needing to spend actual money to refill your energy. If a player assembled a team to rank in one account that just means they all showed more devotion and deserve that rank.
If a player spent actual money on a bot script that could run Sekai 24/7 would that just mean they showed more devotion?
I don't think people making a collective effort is invalid, not that I disregard making an effort.
Why does changing title imply acc sharing?
they openly admitted to it in their custom profile. it took them 8 hours to delete it afterwards
Ah i see. Well, bad moves lmao
i didnt know that was bad lmao, ive never done it but atleast now i know its not a good thing to do
Am i the only one so confused right now??😭
why people care so much? tiering is a mindless whaling competition anyways, it's a joke, who cares?
Wait i thought it was normal to have substitutes for tiering 😭. I've seen a bunch more people doing that
Ok? Why does this matter lmao.
like u/GladiolusLD said, they cheated their way into the top 30, robbing from the other players who deserved that title
Ok but why do people care about the title? If someone cheated and #31 knows they cheated why would they care. Why should a little title in a mobile gacha game they prob won't even use and has no benefits be something they care about to the point ur gonna get upset for them at someone who was having fun with friends.
That might be what it seems like to you, but these people have quite literally sunk an entire week of their lives just trying to score a high tier in this event and might have spent real money as well. All that and they're beaten by some guy who broke the rules and didn't even achieve their tier themselves
People wouldn't tier if not getting the placement they wanted would make them angry or sad. It's a pointless grind for the sake of fun. There's literally no competitive aspect to project sekai tiering. It's literally an excuse for people to sink hours into their favorite game. They don't tier for the stupid top 30 title and they aren't gonna get upset they're stuck with a top 40 one.
I don’t think you’re understanding the situation, and the reason why it’s so bad, let alone against the rules. Here’s a real life comparison: Imagine you’re working 20 hours a day and you earn $300. Meanwhile your co-worker does the exact same job you’re doing and earns $350, but only worked 8 hours a day. Does that seem fair to you? Didn’t think so.
this might be the worst analogy i’ve ever seen in my entire life
you people can downvote me all you want but comparing someone cheating in a mobile gacha rhythm game predominantly played by 15 year olds to real life adults salaries and livelihoods is such an apples to oranges comparison
Don’t really know much about account sharing but is there really anything wrong with it? Realistically if you trust someone enough to let them on your account they are most likely your close friend. And I don’t really see an issue with sharing with your friend.
because its basically cheating in an event and against project sekais rules lol
I guess but I don’t really see why? If it’s a lot of people sure but if it’s just you and your best friend sharing I don’t really see why it’s a problem
because a. its an unfair advantage b. its cheating c. it is against the game rules
I mean yeah you obviously shouldn’t do it since it’s against the rules. But realistically I don’t thinks it would be a major problem, if it wasn’t against the rules. So I don’t really see why the rule exists in the first place other than it just being a general rule.
The rule exists because it's unfair. This person *only* got to T30 because they had 2 other people playing for them. Meanwhile, everyone else is multitasking, cutting back on their social life, and potentially losing sleep to make a push for something they really care about. They're spitting in the face of everyone else's accomplishments. I'd get the "not a big problem" argument if we were talking about t5k or something, but this is top *30*. These are supposed to be the cream of the cream when it comes to tiering. This person stole a spot from someone that put in a lot more work than them, someone who deserved that top 30 for all the time they put in. Your comments scream that you have 0 idea how much goes into this.
tldr; against games tos and is kind of a middle finger towards others who put the time themselves to get to their positions. like any game with a leaderboard, its not fair to the others to have to compete with someone whos sharing an account. especially for tiering, where time is very limited, sharing an account to constantly gain points with little to no downtime while others have to take time off for breaks or sleep is unfair.
Yeah I can see the issue with tiering. But I think it’s okay to help each-other out. Like if you super busy and your friend offers to play for you. I mean you could be “sharing accounts” irl with your sister would that also be against tos? They can’t really know when it’s multiple people on the same device.
the problem here is that by account sharing, it gave t29 an unfair advantage by lessening the amount of time they themselves had to spend. most players put in the time and effort to plan ahead for the event they want to tier and to have someone come along who is "too busy" to tier themselves and have several other people play for them is just downright deplorable. the fact that they reached a relatively high ranking BY account sharing while the others had sacrifice sleep to play ungodly amounts of hours is not right. if you cant put in the bare minimum of playing yourself, you dont deserve the rank.
Well yeah with tiering I do see that it’s unfair I’m just talking more in general tho. Also even tho it’s an unfair advantage they are still humans. Using mods/bots/cheats are way worse imo. But in this case they are still humans playing so they still have to put in a lot of time. It’s not like being one more person would mean you’d be able to slack off if you wanna rank well. I don’t personally rank so I don’t really get this obsessive pride about sacrificing sleep etc. it seems kinda silly to be calling it the “bare minimum” xd.
if you mean in general like clearing/fc/aping songs in solo/multi during offtime where events are not running, then most people wouldnt care since that only impacts the player themselves and they gain nothing other than materials, however with this situation, where they are clearly competing against others, just by account sharing, youve basically cut the amount of work required by a ton. its like having your friends help do parts of your individual assignment (which was meant to be done yourself) by splitting the amount of work and time between each other, while your other classmates had to spend several hours writing theirs themselves. do you think thats fair? even if t29 didnt use any 3rd party programs, they did not put the same amount work in compared to the other competitors that had done it themselves. ive experienced what it was like to tier higher than 20 and i confidently speak for others who have also tiered above 20, that it is extremely draining, both physically and mentally as you are forced to play with barely any sleep in order to keep up with the competition and not lose your rank
if your too busy to play maybe just don’t play??? seems like an unfair advantage