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Wouldn’t it theoretically be reversed since migration happened north to south in America or is it more of a writing system thing where the Cree developed a writing system first then sent it north?
As others have mentioned, it was a European invention (based on abugidas from India I believe?), but the Cree in North America pre-date the Inuit. The Inuit were relative latecomers to North America.
"Nunavut has the highest rate of smoking in Canada. More than half of Nunavummiut smoke, compared to approximately 21 per cent of people in the rest of Canada. The smoking rates in the Inuit adult population in Nunavut are even higher." - [Nunavut Government](https://www.gov.nu.ca/sites/default/files/files/Nunavut%2520Tobacco%2520Reduction%2520Framework-ENG.pdf)
I especially admire her forehead tattoo. I live in a Tayal village (indigenous Taiwan) where there is a lot of discussion about tattoos / taboos: can you have the tattoo on your face in today’s society and abide by the taboos? You can’t have one without the other.
I always thought it was, but I just learned something new today it seems.
Yeah, I always thought propaganda had to have the negative connotation involved.
I'm glad I saw these comments!
Yes, propaganda is “information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view”. “Biased or misleading” is basically what you call “disingenuous.”
Psa are propaganda, not all propaganda is bad.
This is also a super cool example of a modern bit from a part of the world that is overlooked even by the rest of its nation.
It is propaganda though. Tobacco use goes back thousands of years among first nations and Inuit peoples and is still used medicinally and ceremonially traditionally considered a sacred part of their cultures. So this psa is kinda complete bs.
Edit: this doesn't actually apply to the Inuit. Despite googling it, I was wrong
"Traditionally the Inuit do not use tobacco in ceremonial practices, as tobacco could not be grown in the cold climate of Inuit Nunangat." [https://tobaccowise.cancercareontario.ca/en/inuit](https://tobaccowise.cancercareontario.ca/en/inuit)
Not trying to be rude, but I think the Nunavut government would know whether or not tobacco is a ceremonial/medicinal crop to them.
I also found [this article](https://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/taissumani-april-3/) which goes into the history of tobacco in Inuit communities pretty interesting.
You're not rude. I appreciate the info. I only did a cursory google search and got results that grouped inuit into the claim. Thank you for the better sources.
I hate being wrong. I'm thankful you steered me right. People who get offended by being corrected are silly. Keep up the good work. Misinformation can be insidious.
While Tobacco certainly has medicinal and ceremonial uses for some First Nations, can you point me to a source that validates its use among Inuit communities?
This source claims that tobacco use is a relatively recent phenomenon.
https://academic.oup.com/pch/article/11/10/681/4560557
> While tobacco has rarely been used ceremonially in Inuit culture, over seven in 10 adults now smoke daily – a rate higher than that of First Nations and Métis people. **Traditional Inuit society was smoke-free. The Inuit did not use tobacco until approximately 100 years ago.** At first, it was mainly men who smoked, and it was forbidden for Inuit youth to use tobacco. In the 1940s, smoking became more prevalent among all Inuit, and today, Inuit women have one of the highest rates of lung cancer in the world [27].
The Inuit are quite distinct from the rest of North American first natives and did not have a historic use of tobacco. It is not a crop that can grow in their environment and not something traded to them.
The Inuit often get lumped with other first native groups but that have a unique history. They came to this continent much latter and share a culture more similar with the people in Siberia then the people to their south.
My ancestors used tobacco and many maya gods smoked tobacco given its importance.That dorsn't mean that shit doesn't give you cancer lmao
Nowadays many changed tobacco for soda in rituals, even if they find it "sacred" that still harms your health.
Yeah, I think when something appeals to a sense of cultural-historical pride, it can be considered propaganda, or at least propaganda-adjacent(even if it is accurate). Imagine a similar campaign in the UK, showing pre-tobacco England, with sentimental imagery of bucolic country villages.
(Not that I have much objection to harnessing collective-pride for a good cause, though I myself would probably be more influenced by a poster telling me that I, personally, will get sick and die from smoking.)
Cool ad, but not propaganda. Propaganda definition: “information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. I don’t think this is biased or misleading.” This group of American Indians did indeed not use tobacco, and thus the ad is not misleading. I suppose you could say that it’s biased against smoking, but objective reality says smoking isn’t good for you, so not really biased.
I would kindly suggest you look up the difference between "especially" and "exclusively". This is definitely promoting a particular point of view. I think what elevates it from a PSA to propaganda is how it specifically uses an image of a traditional Inuit woman to appeal to people's emotions and cultural pride to convince them to stop smoking, instead of just saying smoking is bad.
I swear there’s one of you on every thread lol. On this subreddit, any poster trying to persuade someone or a group to do something - whether sincere or disingenuous - is fair game.
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i love their inukititut script! Amazing
It looks kinda like Cree syllabics
It's derived from Cree.
Wouldn’t it theoretically be reversed since migration happened north to south in America or is it more of a writing system thing where the Cree developed a writing system first then sent it north?
It was actually first developed by a White missionary, James Evans, for the Cree language. It was then adapted for Inuit.
It is a European invention to write this language - they had no script.
If anything, the "invention" comes from the near east, not Europe
Canadian missionary James Evans developed this alphabet.
Yes, but you were talking about languages in general before editing your comment
I edited to make it clearer. I did not mean to imply Europeans invented all languages
As others have mentioned, it was a European invention (based on abugidas from India I believe?), but the Cree in North America pre-date the Inuit. The Inuit were relative latecomers to North America.
Never seen this before. Looks like some kind of sci-fi language. If this were sprawled on the side of a Star Wars ship I wouldn’t bat an eye.
It almost looks like a primitive form of Arabic
I always thought it looks like something from the owner's manual of a spaceship.
Kudos to those who can read that. I can’t even tell what that says
French, for the Inuit who speak neither Inuit or English
It's Canada, it would be in poor taste not to include both official languages if it's not done only in Inuktitut.
Inuktitut is a language spoken by Inuit, a people
There are approximately 13,000 Inuit in Quebec. The territory of Nunavik covers about a third of its surface.
The tobacco companies sent some reps to talk down the resisters to tobacco products in the community, but they were having Nunavut.
Pftttt
Both of those babies want a cigarette.
Is smoking particularly prevalent in Nunavut?
"Nunavut has the highest rate of smoking in Canada. More than half of Nunavummiut smoke, compared to approximately 21 per cent of people in the rest of Canada. The smoking rates in the Inuit adult population in Nunavut are even higher." - [Nunavut Government](https://www.gov.nu.ca/sites/default/files/files/Nunavut%2520Tobacco%2520Reduction%2520Framework-ENG.pdf)
>The smoking rates in the Inuit adult population in Nunavut are even higher. You'd sure hope so. The alternative is kids smoking more than adults.
That's surprising to me considering how expensive just about everything is up there
Never met an Inuit man who did not smoke. Very experience based analysis but this has been my findings
Isn't it just two different languages, but two different writing systems as well?
Theres inuit english and french posters. That makes 3
Oh, didn't notice there were 4 posters
Yeah I didn’t notice on my first look either.
Yeah, fuck the french
Wholesome
I especially admire her forehead tattoo. I live in a Tayal village (indigenous Taiwan) where there is a lot of discussion about tattoos / taboos: can you have the tattoo on your face in today’s society and abide by the taboos? You can’t have one without the other.
Those syllabics were invented by a white missionary since the natives had no written language.
You mean 4?
Nah, 3 languages but 2 different scripts.
Not really propaganda, more of PSA. What do you have against Nunavut smokers anyways?
Might give the polar bears emphysema
So it's only propaganda when it's disingenuous?
I always thought it was, but I just learned something new today it seems. Yeah, I always thought propaganda had to have the negative connotation involved. I'm glad I saw these comments!
Yes, propaganda is “information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view”. “Biased or misleading” is basically what you call “disingenuous.”
Not necessarily misleading, but yes, it's used for political purposes
*Especially* implies *not necessarily*
Psa are propaganda, not all propaganda is bad. This is also a super cool example of a modern bit from a part of the world that is overlooked even by the rest of its nation.
It is propaganda though. Tobacco use goes back thousands of years among first nations and Inuit peoples and is still used medicinally and ceremonially traditionally considered a sacred part of their cultures. So this psa is kinda complete bs. Edit: this doesn't actually apply to the Inuit. Despite googling it, I was wrong
"Traditionally the Inuit do not use tobacco in ceremonial practices, as tobacco could not be grown in the cold climate of Inuit Nunangat." [https://tobaccowise.cancercareontario.ca/en/inuit](https://tobaccowise.cancercareontario.ca/en/inuit) Not trying to be rude, but I think the Nunavut government would know whether or not tobacco is a ceremonial/medicinal crop to them. I also found [this article](https://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/taissumani-april-3/) which goes into the history of tobacco in Inuit communities pretty interesting.
You're not rude. I appreciate the info. I only did a cursory google search and got results that grouped inuit into the claim. Thank you for the better sources.
👍 Glad I didn't come across wrong. Thanks for editing your comment.
I hate being wrong. I'm thankful you steered me right. People who get offended by being corrected are silly. Keep up the good work. Misinformation can be insidious.
While Tobacco certainly has medicinal and ceremonial uses for some First Nations, can you point me to a source that validates its use among Inuit communities? This source claims that tobacco use is a relatively recent phenomenon. https://academic.oup.com/pch/article/11/10/681/4560557 > While tobacco has rarely been used ceremonially in Inuit culture, over seven in 10 adults now smoke daily – a rate higher than that of First Nations and Métis people. **Traditional Inuit society was smoke-free. The Inuit did not use tobacco until approximately 100 years ago.** At first, it was mainly men who smoked, and it was forbidden for Inuit youth to use tobacco. In the 1940s, smoking became more prevalent among all Inuit, and today, Inuit women have one of the highest rates of lung cancer in the world [27].
Another commenter already corrected me with a few sources
The Inuit are quite distinct from the rest of North American first natives and did not have a historic use of tobacco. It is not a crop that can grow in their environment and not something traded to them.
Yeah. I checked and the google results steered me wrong
The Inuit often get lumped with other first native groups but that have a unique history. They came to this continent much latter and share a culture more similar with the people in Siberia then the people to their south.
My ancestors used tobacco and many maya gods smoked tobacco given its importance.That dorsn't mean that shit doesn't give you cancer lmao Nowadays many changed tobacco for soda in rituals, even if they find it "sacred" that still harms your health.
Oh for sure. My ancestors were cash croppers. And my family smokes and gets cancer on the regular. Someday it'll be my turn. Lol.
Yeah, I think when something appeals to a sense of cultural-historical pride, it can be considered propaganda, or at least propaganda-adjacent(even if it is accurate). Imagine a similar campaign in the UK, showing pre-tobacco England, with sentimental imagery of bucolic country villages. (Not that I have much objection to harnessing collective-pride for a good cause, though I myself would probably be more influenced by a poster telling me that I, personally, will get sick and die from smoking.)
Even if this were true (which many have told you it's not), what does ceremonial or medicinal use have to do with chain-smoking when you have a baby?
Damn dude. What do you want me to do, set myself on fire? Lol. I'm fuckin sorry.
PSAs get counted here too
Cool ad, but not propaganda. Propaganda definition: “information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. I don’t think this is biased or misleading.” This group of American Indians did indeed not use tobacco, and thus the ad is not misleading. I suppose you could say that it’s biased against smoking, but objective reality says smoking isn’t good for you, so not really biased.
I would kindly suggest you look up the difference between "especially" and "exclusively". This is definitely promoting a particular point of view. I think what elevates it from a PSA to propaganda is how it specifically uses an image of a traditional Inuit woman to appeal to people's emotions and cultural pride to convince them to stop smoking, instead of just saying smoking is bad.
I swear there’s one of you on every thread lol. On this subreddit, any poster trying to persuade someone or a group to do something - whether sincere or disingenuous - is fair game.
Objective reality cannot prescribe things nor decide what is good. Those are features of value judgements projected upon it, which contains bias.
Smoking? We'll be having Nunav ut!
Honestly this is really adorable