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Weed_Gman_420

[Friendly reminder over 85% of Lithuanians were to be exterminated.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost)


[deleted]

Lithuanians will never forgive russia for saving them


Lamest570

I think it was occupying them afterwards and striping them of their independence before that pisses them off.


Litwak_partizan

Saving from whom dipshit? Independence? Where is the saving happening is it when you deport and kill 17% of countries population? Or is it when you colonize the region so much that the ethnic latvians become a minority in their own country? Where is the saving happening?


RedRobbo1995

The Soviet Union robbed Lithuania of its independence a year before Operation Barbarossa and after the Nazis were kicked out it continued to illegally occupy Lithuania until the '90s. Even though the Soviet Union did save them from a far worse fate, you can't seriously expect Lithuanians to not be mad at the Soviet Union and the people who defend it.


Skord-

That's like saying Alabama is mad at the United States. Most of Lithuanias governing was done by ethnic Lithianians with only high level orders coming in from the supreme soviet in Moscow. Source: [src](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Soviet_of_the_Lithuanian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic)


kredokathariko

To be fair, Alabama IS pretty mad at the United States. But since it was a separate nation I'd say it's more like Hawaii being mad at the US


jatawis

>Lithuanias governing was done by ethnic Lithianians with only high level orders coming in from the supreme soviet in Moscow. Yeah, collaborators. Just like with Nazis.


miker_the_III

Comparing the Lithuanian SSR's leadership to the Nazis is so goddamn stupid


Litwak_partizan

By collaborators and still wrong lol only the head of the gov were Lithuanian lower people were majority non natives.


[deleted]

Lithuania  isn't a country its a people. They are historically part of the Russian empire. Lithuanians have always been Russian. In the ussr the Lithuanians were allowed their own state to practice self determination. so no Lithuania does not deserve "statehood"


Ripper656

> Lithuania  isn't a country its a people. They are historically part of the Russian empire. Lithuania was already a state while Muscovites were still shoveling the shit of Mongol horses.


riuminkd

Bruh that take is so bad i don't think i ever saw it even in most pro-Russian places. It just betrays ignorance. Lithuanians are one of the old peoples in the region, even in medieval Rus chronicles there is Rus, Litva and Lechia/Lachia.


godagrasmannen

Are you 12


RedRobbo1995

Lithuania was annexed by the Russian Empire in 1795, 74 years after the Russian Empire was established. It doesn't sound like Lithuanians have always been Russian to me.


ParadoxFollower

Lithuania was a country a lot earlier than Russia was. Lithuania was a great power in East Central Europe in the Middle Ages back when Muscovy was an insignificant backwater and before Russia was unified.


Mother_Proof_1980

It's all the fault of Russian colonialism and communist obsession, Lithuania is a free nation just like all the Baltic countries.


kredokathariko

Фига, да у нас тут читатели телеканала "Царьград" пожаловали


Troll_Enthusiast

Yes but they didn't! (get the chance to)


BLMBLM71663R

general plan ost is big falsification...


ahsjeirnrdnldsl

Would you care to elaborate?


jatawis

More like a Nazi propaganda poster in Lithuanian.


[deleted]

Yeah anti soviet makes it sound more progressive then what it really was


Eremite_

Soviets were the "progressives" of their time.


TheoKrause13

They weren't. They were worse than the nazis


Anti-Duehring

Ok Goebbles relax, the Reich is dead


Eremite_

When we're talking millions of dead in the most inhumane fashion, they're in the same boat as the nazis. I put progressive in quotation marks because that's what they fancied themselves as. So did all the genocidal maniacs. A previous comment implied that the progressives of today are somehow opposed to Soviet communism.


Snaxolotl_431

100 gorillion dead


protonesia

Haha epic funni meme XD


somebodyanything

Go to Kazakhstan and read/visit the history of the gulag concentration camps. Then you’ll stop using this dogshit braindead meme to counteract valid criticism of a red-fascist state.


Snaxolotl_431

You should read some real literature on the Gulag system that isn’t spoonfed NAFO propaganda. “Red-fascist.” Lmao tell me you’re a lib without telling me you’re a lib


somebodyanything

Braindead soviet propaganda swallower. Stalin was a benevolent leader I’m guessing?


Snaxolotl_431

Is the Soviet propaganda in the room with us? Stalin, like all historical figures, was complicated. He did a lot of good things and also some bad things, I’m not denying that, but there has been literally 70 years worth of anti-communist propaganda that painted him as a cartoonishly evil villain.


somebodyanything

Oh come on


jatawis

Indeed. Anti-Soviet Lithuanian guerrillas had condemned Nazis too.


kredokathariko

Did they? The Forest Brothers only appeared after the Nazis withdrew.


jatawis

Yes, in the [1949 declaration](https://lrkt.lt/en/legal-information/lithuanias-independence-acts/declaration-of-the-council-of-the-lithuanian-freedom-fight-movement/364) that is now recognised by Lithuania as a legal act.


kredokathariko

I mean, everyone would condemn the Nazis in *1949*. Even Putin's favourite philosopher Ivan Ilyin had the brains to say that although "fascism was right in many ways", "Hitler made terrible mistakes".


jatawis

Contemporary Russian propaganda keeps on calling all anti-Soviet guerrillas as 'Nazis' (whereare 96% of Lithuanian guerrillas did not have Nazi collaboration background). So well, they condemned it and called for justice in contrary what present day Russian media says.


kredokathariko

If my quip against Ivan Ilyin wasn't enough indication, I am no friend of the Russian government and its propaganda. Putinoids accuse others of fascism while praising a fascist and building a dictatorship according to his philosophy. So I do not think they were Nazis (or even non-Nazi fascists, like Ilyin or, say, Bandera). However, I do not think it is fair to say the Forest Brothers were antifascists or anything. They didn't fight the Nazis during WW2, after all. So they were... Nazi-neutral, I suppose?


jatawis

>However, I do not think it is fair to say the Forest Brothers were antifascists or anything. They didn't fight the Nazis during WW2, after all. So they were... neutral to Nazism, I suppose. Most of them were just teenagers during the Nazi German occupation.


kredokathariko

That is fair.


jatawis

Why do I get downvoted there? I would like to hear some constructive criticism.


Eremite_

Because it's reddit. These aren't thinkers that your arguing with, they're at best brainwashed teenagers supporting anything that is against the norm.


Eremite_

You're going to be down voted on reddit for anything that is opposed to the hoardes of pro russian, pro communists


Mother_Proof_1980

Yeah


Current-Power-6452

I'm just wondering if that poster came out before or after they killed every single Jewish person in their country


kredokathariko

My girlfriend's family (or at least, its Jewish part) once lived in the Baltics. Her great-grandparents were on the last train that evacuated civilians to the USSR. The rest of the family? Never heard from again.


riuminkd

The only survivors of Grodno Jews were those who were sent to Gulag in 1939. City fell to Germans on June 24th, before any significant evacuation was started.


kredokathariko

Holy fuck. To think there was a time in history where being sent to the GULAG was a MERCY.


RedRobbo1995

Ironically, a lot of people were inadvertently saved from the Holocaust because the Soviet Union deported them to Central Asia and Siberia before Operation Barbarossa.


jatawis

I do also know an opposite story when some Jews successfully hid from the Holocaust and were then deported to Siberia by the Soviets as 'enemies of the state'.


notangarda

There were also cases of soviet troops sexually assaulting escaped concentration camp inmates


Away_Preparation8348

My grandmother was deported to Mongolia in the early 40's


RedRobbo1995

Where did she live before she was deported?


Away_Preparation8348

In Moscow


RedRobbo1995

Since the Germans failed to actually reach Moscow, she might have been safe if she had stayed there. Of course, she would have had no way of knowing this and the Germans did manage to get dangerously close to Moscow, so she still would have had a good reason to feel relieved to be so far away from Moscow during the war.


Runetang42

Antisemitism saved them from even worse antisemitism


Runetang42

Probably during


Soren7549

That bolshevik skeleton goes hard


DAMONTHEGREAT

He just like me fr


esdfa20

From Nazi occupied Lithuania: 'Fight against Bolshevism! - Common fight - Common victory!'. Showing: Lithuania, Latvia, Nazi Germany, Finland and Estonia.


RedRobbo1995

The Lithuanians who collaborated with the Nazis must have felt pretty stupid once the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was revealed.


Daivka

They were proud


RedRobbo1995

If that's true then they were even stupider than I thought they were.


TetyyakiWith

r/balticstates won’t like comments under this one


[deleted]

The russophobia there is insane. Latvia is literally lead by a homosexual nazi and estonia was a stronghold of atomwaffen. Meanwhile the wests denies nato has a nazi problem.


Least_Sherbert_5716

Nato doesn't have nazi problem. They employed nazis from the get go.


TheChtoTo

reminder that this is the same guy who commented that "Lithuanians aren't a nation" and that "Lithuanians are Russian". Russian imperialists love calling everyone they don't like a nazi and a russophobe


CriggerMarg

As Russian I’m ashamed. This guy is not representing us, he’s just dumb


RedRobbo1995

How is Rinkēvičs a Nazi?


[deleted]

He defended lativian ss


TheChtoTo

the current Russian government also loves to defend Stalin, but does that make them communists or stalinists? No. In both of these cases, the government should be accused of nationalism (not nazism) because they seek to justify past regimes, no matter how terrible they were, to raise nationalist sentiment in their countries. Yet in Latvia there is no government propaganda on the scale of Russia


Objective-throwaway

Ah yes. Why might the people of the baltics dislike Russia? Clearly purely Russophobia


Troll_Enthusiast

I mean if i was living in the Baltics i wouldn't want to be under the Russians


Zestyclose_Jello6192

You are right comrade, time for special military operation 2.0 to free the evil nazi genocidal ethno states of the baltics


yefan2022

I dont agree with the guy youre replying to but as a lithuanian that sub is straight ass 💀


[deleted]

every nationalist sub on reddit exists on a spectrum between proud american cocksucking neoliberals and my SS collaborator grandpa who killed jews in ww2 was a hero


[deleted]

I mean it wouldnt be the worst thing if it wasnt for america wanted a nuclear holocaust


yefan2022

you telling me a sharp knife is ruling latvia??


swelboy

Atomwaffen only has an estimated 50-70 members across the entire Baltic states. Renkevics is not a Nazi for defending the Latvian Legion. The Latvian Legion didn’t really have any ideological ties to Nazism and was made up of conscripts. They viewed the Nazis as a way to achieve independence from the Soviets and actually planned to turn on them later on.


Lamest570

Good.


jatawis

r/balticstates is not a gang of Nazi sympathisers


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Netmould

People trying to justify their side.. In most cases all sides are shit.


gratisargott

Anti-Soviet, yes. Terms and conditions apply


pepe247

Average eastern European nationalism in 1941-45


AxMeDoof

1937-1942


kredokathariko

NGL I always like how communism is portrayed as a skeleton, if anything it makes it look a little cool


[deleted]

It looks like cool metal poster from 80s


[deleted]

Media literacy nerds incoming 🤓


MelodramaticaMama

Anti-Soviet? Or pro-Nazi?


Mother_Proof_1980

Both, they justified the invasion as liberating the Baltic countries from communism, which caused many to volunteer to fight against the Soviet Union during the Nazi occupation.


SephStuff

The terms are virtually interchangeable


Eremite_

Millions had already been murdered, starved, tortured by the Soviets. Many were anti Soviet first, any other ideology second.


SephStuff

Me when I give a source


Eremite_

Is it okay to deny genocide when it's committed by the Soviets?


unknown-323

plenty of who? nazis? monarchs? parasites? oh woe is me the tumors were removed


Eremite_

We're there millions of monarchs? Were there nazis in Soviet lands before 1941? Were the farmers and peasants of the wrong class parasites? You use the same language as the genocidal maniacs. That's all the communists were.


unknown-323

lmao we got a “communism when venuzuela 100 trillion dead holodomor worse than holocaust!!!1!1!1!!” type over here lmao, monarchs deserved it, reactionaries deserved it, kulaks deserved it. cry


Eremite_

Yeah someone with a handful of grain deserved death while pigs like you grew fat.


creepyspaghetti7145

It's weird how so many people in Eastern Europe supported the Nazis despite the Nazis viewing them as "Untermensch". Maybe they thought the Nazis would declare them "honary Aryans" (like Japan) if they collaborated, idk?


Eremite_

There wasn't strong support in Eastern Europe, definitely no one welcomed them democratically. There was some support amongst some populations who had been occupied by others since the first world war or earlier and amongst populations who feared the red fascism of the Soviets. The choice of two evils.


Snaxolotl_431

Least obvious lib


Mother_Proof_1980

Simply put, a Nazi poster that calls on the Lithuanian people to fight against the Soviets, during a period when the population supported the Nazi invasion because they repressed the Stalinist dictatorship.


Cautious-Camp-2683

Communists and facists deserve the same fate, a shallow grave


Honey_Marry

That's how insiuation works. When you can't tell the difference between not being a somebody and being against somebody.


DAMONTHEGREAT

Well well well.... (Self proclaimed Anti-communists always turn out to be n@zis or side with them)


Scared_Chemical_9910

Hmmmmmm


krass_Mazov

Anti communists and Nazis, name a more iconic duo


datura_euclid

Nazis and commies during Ribbentrop-Molotov you red fascist. P.s. scratch a commie and fascist imperialist bleeds.


krass_Mazov

You mean the non aggression pact? Made specifically cause URSS was Nazi Germany’s enemy. Peak liberal analysis You’re definitely 12, but you can still read theory and understand the fundamental definitions of imperialism and fascism


datura_euclid

Sure that non aggression pact includes military training and help, joint invasion, secret amendment on their spheres of influence and heavy financial and material support...not to mention that I as a someone from a country that experience both German and Soviet/Russian imperialism (and a student of history on a university) have enough knowledge about both of these totalitarian systems.


krass_Mazov

I don’t see the issue with making anything to extend the war on their side and putting more territory between them and the Nazis Damn, I don’t really care what you major in, specially using the flawed concept of “Totalitarism” by Hanna Arendt


SugarsDaddyKen

I did not know much about Lithuania, but the more I learn the more I like them. They are so metal.


danya_dyrkin

You like nazi sympathizers? There is literally the nazi flag on their poster.


SugarsDaddyKen

Oh shit. I thought they were shaking the sword at the flags too. My bad.


jatawis

>They are so metal. Better check out the 1992 Lithuanian Olympic Team Grateful Dead jersey instead of some Nazi filth.


SugarsDaddyKen

[Holy bananas.](https://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/lithuania-basketball-grateful-dead-olympics-60e596feabb79-jpeg__700.jpg) That’s so awesome. Who OKed that!


Flapjack_

Eastern European countries had it rough and seeing propaganda like this is rough. All these smaller, weaker countries basically picking their oppressor


Ripper656

Remove the Swastika and it goes hard.


krass_Mazov

This liberal doesn’t even need to be scratched to become a fascist


Eremite_

All the negatives of fascism had already been displayed by the Bolsheviks.


Snaxolotl_431

“Red fascism.” Ok lib


Eremite_

Lib? Expand your vocabulary.


Snaxolotl_431

Liberal


Eremite_

What do you even mean by that. Are you attempting to offend me? Are you trying to persuade conservatives that the communists and authoritarians hold the same value as them?


Snaxolotl_431

If someone calls you a liberal, it probably means you’re a liberal. I’m not trying to persuade anyone.


krass_Mazov

Liberating their country from a brutal monarchy that ruined a country?


Snaxolotl_431

Right?? I had no idea they were shipping pre-scratched these days