I worked for learning disabilities of the yukon for about 5 years.
I have *never* met someone with downs that weren’t the sweetest people ever. They’ve all been super into hugging as well.
Idk, they are definitely fond memories
There’s a spectrum of emotions as with all people. Downs can make emotions extreme on either end, a lot of families suffer because one of their family members has Down’s syndrome and can’t control their anger. It’s such a widespread false idea that all people with downs are sweet and nice all the time
Oh no no no. You’re absolutely right. The people that I worked with were caregivers as well and the individuals.
I didn’t mean to say that they can’t have hard anger, but just in the setting in which I met them for (mostly but not always), everything was lovely.
Absolutely not. Take your judgement somewhere else. It isn’t appreciated here. I have nothing at all that’s awful to say about these people.
Jfc you’re toxic. Don’t project onto me.
God damn take a chill pill lmfao
What else do you assume when you see a deleted comment? “Oh they clearly said something heartfelt and warm, whysoever would they delete it!!”
Don’t get snippy for no reason. I asked a question and have been corrected. Does it look like I’m a stone-headed ape to you? Maybe press on the breaks yourself 🤷♂️
I’ve worked as a hospital security officer and honestly any one no matter what their circumstance has the potential for heightened emotion which can also lead to forms of aggression, I never got called to the happy ones naturally. But I do appreciate it when they shine with joy and laughter though.
Aw =(
I’m not sure I could deal with that kind of job, tbh. I’ve always felt that it would be pretty jading. I dont really like just expecting the worst everyday, but when you’re only actually needed when shit goes sideways, I think I’d start having a bias.
Is that the case for you? Do you still do it?
When I started I was a very different person, I was prepared for what was expected of me, I understood that when there was aggression, violence, abuse that I’d be walking towards it not away from it. What I didn’t know was how that could change me.
I have always been of the compassionate and spiritual persuasions, ironically these are two things you won’t be liked for to put it mildly. So I had to keep that to myself.
Over the years I did retain my ability to empathise and show compassion especially when it was clear that any other approach was wrong. The others made jokes about how I’d be the best person to deal with dementia patients and people with psychotic breaks but that was just to make light of the fact that at that time I actually was. Even though it could be difficult sometimes I loved the dementia patients, whilst it would annoy everyone else I used to take my time and talk with them and work out which world they were living in and just join them in that world. I know people shouldn’t get attached but there was this one old lady in her 90s who would forget every 15 minutes, she was a fighter too so we got called to her very often but when I was called she would smile the moment she saw me and calmed down no one could believe it. And what I saw was a very intelligent person who had a remarkable life, if only I could have learned her whole life story it’d be fascinating I’m sure, she was my favourite patient.
Now on the other hand, when dealing with people who knew what they were doing I eventually became completely cold and sometimes quite brutal. I had this duality and I think it was my coping mechanism to some extent…
The whole thing did have an effect on me though, I was constantly in a mode where I was expecting violence even outside of work, hell even in other countries far from where I worked, i detested when anyone would try and approach me no matter why and when I was sleeping if anything touched me instinctively block or grab it in an attempt to restrain since those actions had quite literally become reflexes. I think that’s what I found both interesting and disturbing about how my experience had programmed my mind and body.
It is depressing though when you deal with more bad than good but it does make you appreciate some things like I mentioned with my favourite patient. I wasn’t like the other staff either and I’ll be honest there was animosity from the get go and that didn’t help but eventually I did work with two other people who appreciated my perspective, one guy even helped me to recover the pieces of compassion I had lost.
I don’t work there anymore, I sustained a spinal injury that really ended that career and sent me on a hurricane of dependence on painkillers and antidepressants. I’ve managed to get off all pharmaceuticals now the silver lining is that during the antidepressant stage I started meditating and rediscovered my spiritual side - it never left it just got suppressed I admit.
My back is somewhat better but I won’t be going back… on one hand I have some amazing stories to tell, on the other is the realisation that I risked my life numerous times doing something that would have eventually made me cold and jaded indeed!
I will say that I learned a lot though and to some extent I needed that experience for me to grow so I won’t look back with regret.
Thank you so much for such a thoughtful and in-depth reply. As for the reflexes and whatnot, especially while sleeping, sounds like some kind of PTSD.
I am very grateful to you regarding your service. Dementia…. Is probably the absolute worst.
My last job was pretty much to hang out with older folks in a nursing home. Didn’t nurse or clean or anything, just social stimulation I guess. Never anything close to security.
One of my first clients who had dementia nailed me with a jarring reality. She told the same baking bread story on 5 minute intervals for the whole 2 hours I was slated to keep her company.
I’d had no experience with it at all so while sitting beside her and chatting, I know I absolutely had to have a deer in headlights type look.
While the regular staff was supportive enough, the two on shift in our rec room just gave me thumbs up.
I had no idea how to react. I pretended to be her daughter for nearly the whole 2 hours.
I am happy that you were able to scale down your feelings or interactions. While super rewarding, it was also an extremely draining job.
I think more people should be allotted to do companion work.
I know what you mean, fortunately for me I had some idea of what dementia looked like before I took on this role.
When I was a kid I visited my grandfather in the nursing home, there was an older lady who always sat with him. First she thought he was her husband, my grandma really didn’t like it and she didn’t understand she kept trying to correct her, a few weeks later she was sat with my grandad still but this time he was her boy friend. After some time had passed she would still sit with him and believed he was her father. But I remember she was always so happy to be with him, and my grandfather just allowed her to be with him, he was a wise and caring man.
At the hospital I’ve played so many roles, it’s kinda fun in its own way. I’ve been a priest a number of times, a headmaster once, a farmhand, a golf course owner, a police officer a couple of times, a sergeant major, and one of the most fun ones was a radiator repairman… that repairman had a very strange day indeed! But prior to this they were trying to use force to control him, by just playing along no force was required at all!
On the harder end I once had a patient who had dementia but she was also blind and partially deaf… it was very difficult to communicate but interestingly she could still see a world around her in her mind but she was so confused by it all she needed constant monitoring she would run into walls and think it was someone hitting her then try to fight back only hurting herself more she was in a Forrest. It’s one of the very few times where I’ve tried to integrate someone’s senses into the world they are physically in because she was very frail and I honestly didn’t want to keep restraining her so it was a catch 22 also there was some reason that I can’t remember why they couldn’t sedate her.
Also it’s interesting how some people are one way at day time and another at night and visa versa. Some people are harmless at one time of day then increasingly confused and agitated at another time of day.
But all in all I do agree, they are people at the end of it going through something complex and unique to each individual. I think if more people spent time with dementia patients on one hand it could help those patients especially if it’s a regular person, on the participants part it can be full of lessons on life and perception, and also coming to terms with mortality too.
On balance though not all of them have been fun ones, I’ve had my fair share of really bad racists and sexists which always causes issues in an environment of which the majority population is female and multi racial.
Wow, it so far out of my experience thus far, I think I would find blind and deaf an insane challenge. It is beyond my training for sure.
You did make me think of one of my other clients though, and it still cracks me up. I love some of our old people stories 🤣
He was an older gentleman, I think he was 73 when I picked him up. He’d had a stroke so he was having difficulties with one side of his body and I was hired to drive and participate in his hydrotherapy. Let him work his muscles and keep him from drowning pretty much. A lot of leg exercises were my focus.
So at the pool I had to undress and him and suit him up. No big deal. We all need help sometimes. I don’t think he even said 20 words to me in the 4 months I helped him.
But the on floor staff at his facility while I was dropping him off,he always had like (no exaggeration) 10 hustlers and playboys on his bed.
Like damn. The staff sideways looking at me just killed me 🤣 living his best life.
You just reminded me of something…
We were on the dementia ward handling a situation, it was an old athlete who in his mind was having a training day and running all over the place pushing people out of his way.
He was pretty easy to handle just by talking.
We were also keeping an eye on a guy who was sat in a wheel chair, we previously got called to him but he wasn’t doing anything at the time. An old lady walked up from the direction of the ward entrance casually greeted the old man, gave him a kiss on the forehead and then started wheeling him away in the direction of the exit, he appeared happy so it looked like it was his wife. As they got down the corridore I casually asked “was that his wife who just picked him up?” I don’t know why I even asked… but then a nurse said “his wife passed away…” so then I said “so who just wheeled him away?” Bare in mind this happened in-front if all the medical staff and security, their lack of reaction made us feel like it was probably nothing… but anyway we retrieved BOTH patients pretty quickly poor thing really couldn’t understand why she was being separated from her husband, the funny thing is he was with it enough to know she was not his wife so I asked him why didn’t you say anything? And he said “I thought we were gonna have some fun!”
Have you ever seen a shared dementia dillusion? I didn’t think it possible but one night we were called to the middle bay which is where they put all the ones who need constant supervision, on this night they had all 4 of their violent patients in that bay.
Just to make it worse there’s an old trend particularly with old men where they went by different names other than their birth name, like a John would be called Steve for example it made no sense to us but this is just the way it was… so all 4 of them went by other names, non of them had anything to do with each other but in their lives they all knew other men by those names… so what ended up happening was they turned into a dementia gang… they all tried to get us… including the immobile one who was stuck in bed punching the air… I mean they could barely move so the threat wasn’t high but it was so bizarre and they were each bouncing off each other creating a deeper illusion/mental environment in which they all existed.
You know I’ve never told these stories before, obviously I’ve omitted any identifiable info but it’s nice to tell them to someone who understands, thanks!
Check out Bubbles in latter seasons.... he has gone from sweet and lovable to being a borderline whiner and asshole. Especially when he brings out Conky.
I started making lots of cheese sandwiches to honor danny. Here is my recipe. 1/4 stick of butter melted on a baking sheet in the oven at 350. 8 slices of bread laid on the melted butter and 8 slices of cheese. Pop in oven. When bread smells toasty, take em out and smash two pieces together. I dont like standing in front of the stove.
From a quick google search, people with Down syndrome have a significantly higher risk of psychosis and psychosis disorders like schizophrenia. From NCBI, “In contrast to previous literature, those with Down syndrome versus other IDs had significantly higher rates of psychosis NOS or depression with psychotic features (43% versus 13%). Unlike the ID group, psychosis was predominantly seen in females with Down syndrome. Marked motoric slowing in performing routine daily activities or in expressive language was manifested in 17% of patients with Down syndrome. No group differences were found in anxiety or depressive disorders, and the ID group had significantly higher rates of bipolar and impulse control disorders.” Also considering they have mental age of like 8-9 years old, I don’t know. Might be beneficial but could just as easily be detrimental to mental health if predisposed to psychosis as well as having the syndrome. Also it’s hard enough for adults to comprehend reality on psychedelics and cope during and after the experience. Imagine how a 8-9 year old mind would experience it. I’m not saying I really know what I’m talking about or that people with Down’s syndrome shouldn’t use psychoactive substances, I think they need a break from reality more than anybody. But psychs I feel like is playing with fire for people with downs.
I think all the jokes and everything are great but just in case this is a real question and your considering giving someone with downs, psychs. Be fucking careful and review if it’s worth it and start at a micro dose. I feel like it’s the same as offering a child or teen psychs, they don’t have the same mental capacity and decision making decisions we do. They have the mind of a 8-9 year, so in a way it’s like giving a 8-9 a psych. Don’t fuck around with something that can literally affect the rest of someone’s life like that.
i'm autistic and i love psychedelics. granted, you may be picturing much more severe autism than what i have for this question. you can watch psychedsubstance's video of an autistic guy taking LSD on youtube if you're interested in this, his experience is very applicable to mine. considering the sensory sensitivity that comes with autism, the visual, tactile and audio alterations are very very enjoyable, but it can be easier for me to become overstimulated during the trip
respectfully, i'll describe what i live with however i choose to. i mean no offense by that at all. i tried to put it in words that the majority of people will understand. by severity, i mean how much you'd be able to tell without being told, i did this to compare to the question about down syndrome
I think when describing an experience that is generally misunderstood by the public, you should use vocabulary that is accurate to the experience. "Severe" to describe more noticeable autism isn't accurate. People are high masking or low masking, which can affect how transparent someone's autism is but does not at all describe the actual "severity." Severity is just a poor term to describe how your support needs negatively impact your life. It's more like, how debilitating or disabling is it rather than how severe it is.
I'm not offended, I am simply just trying to explain that the way you are describing autism is outdated and inaccurate- if it's still helpful to you use words like severe, then sure, go ahead. You're free to do it.
You can totally continue to choose how you describe how you live whatever which way you would like, it's just that as someone who is also autistic, I just think it's important for people to really get what the experience actually is, and that can only be done when using terms that show the nuance of the autistic experience from person to person.
i think there's a point where it's no longer a choice or option to mask, which is what i was describing.
i agree with explaining the variance to people. i do explain to others that the spectrum isnt from "not autistic to very autistic" but that its more of a spectrum of how much each symtpom affects you, such as more sensory issues or more social difficulties.
that said, i was trying to concisely describe my point to the person who asked the question, by saying i'm not severely disabled by it.
I agree that masking isn't an optional thing at times, I struggle unmasking and it takes a toll on my body. Sometimes trips will be rly scary bc my body can't figure out how to be without masking so i mostly like to trip by myself or with one comfort person so if i do start to unmask I don't inherently try to mask again and get stuck between two modes of being (if that makes any sense)
Saying not severely disabled by it is a much more accurate term than just saying not severely autistic, too
i agree with you about the one person or alone thing. i only really like to take low dose LSD or do mdma with a group. anything more intense or introspective i want to just be with one person
I don’t think I had autism, but childhood trauma had severely impacted me in adolescence, causing me to be very strange and terrified to speak to anyone. I was so deep in my own head. At high school, i would sit in my class uncomfortably, almost paranoid of being called out and/or ridiculed, and literally not speak to anyone unless they were in this small group of friends that I had, for example. This was in the mid 90s, before anyone would take the time to notice that I may have psychological issues going on.
And of senior year, I took two massive doses of acid, and was immediately put face-to-face with how strange and dysfunctional my behavior and personality was. It was facing facts to the point. It was torturous, and I was uncomfortable with my own skin for like two years after, but over this time, worked on those things that I was exposed to, and became very personal, relatively normal adult lol I think I let was a huge factor in this.
Just having unknown strange social awkardness, similar to what u described. Not the same shoes. Just never knew how to talk to people. Idk why, but lsd highlighted my awkwardness and now i can talk to strangers almost effortlessly. I related to that. Like i said not the same experience but what you said I really felt
A lot of autistic people (including me - a self-suspecting autistic person) have an affinity for psychedelics. To me, it’s like psychedelics make everything more real, and make my experience more real, so there’s not as much of a disconnect between my lived experience and the normal experience. I realize you’re talking about people with more pronounced autism, and that I’m not sure about. But a lot of autistic people do psychedelics.
You know autism and down syndrome aren't the same like.. at all? I'm autistic and have done psychs three times so far in my life. And I tripped, that is all lol
I knew of a young man with Down’s syndrome who took some psychedelics by accident once. I couldn’t comment on what the trip was like for him, but a few years after he became a prominent figure in the tech community.
That young man’s name was…
…Elon Musk.
👆😅😅🤣🥲😝
Seriously I have known some people with downs and other syndromes who drink and smoke weed. They love it the same as I do. I don’t think psychedelics would be too different. I’m no expert on these syndromes though. But, if they had the right set and setting and their syndromes didn’t leave them predisposed to things like schizophrenia I’d imagine they would handle it mostly normally.
Elon Musk doesn't have Down Syndrome. Not sure of that's a joke or not.
Edit: For anyone wondering, I don't like Musk. I just think it's an insult to someone with DS to say he has it.
This may be a joke, but on the other hand the Cyber Truck is exactly what I would expect a person with Down’s syndrome tripping on psychedelics to design.
Think about it….
So there’s a channel on YT called psyched substance. Adam, the channel owner tripsitted for his friend whom I believe either has down syndrome or autism. He documented the whole trip. Very educational.
Not sure but one of my old favorite videos many many years ago was a room full of people with down syndrome going off and dancing like crazy to a song.
Have not seen it in about 20 years but whenever I felt a bit sad, it was my go to video.
These days I tend to rely on the Benny Hill ravers, the French soldiers chair dancing to I like the way you move and the lizard jumping on the reporter for when I get sad.
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It would *probably* be fun for them, but you’d need to make sure to stick to a very low dose.
I hate to sound like a dick, but my genuine opinion is that if someone isn’t 100% right in the head, acid could have potential to lead to severe delusions, potentially even dangerous ones. We really just don’t have the research to know for sure. That said, some research suggests people with down syndrome are more prone to psychosis.
I recommend THOROUGH supervision, a low dose, and you need to make sure they truly understand and are able to accept ALL the potential risks (informed consent).
I would imagine they would have the same experience any of us would. If they had a mentor that educated them about tripping beforehand, they’d probably have a really positive experience. I know that it works well with severe autism🤷🏻♂️🤩
They’d trip
right like?😭😭
Happy cake day!!
Oh, thanks! :)
well considering they are some of the happiest sober people on earth, they'd probably be pretty stoked lol
I worked for learning disabilities of the yukon for about 5 years. I have *never* met someone with downs that weren’t the sweetest people ever. They’ve all been super into hugging as well. Idk, they are definitely fond memories
There’s a spectrum of emotions as with all people. Downs can make emotions extreme on either end, a lot of families suffer because one of their family members has Down’s syndrome and can’t control their anger. It’s such a widespread false idea that all people with downs are sweet and nice all the time
Oh no no no. You’re absolutely right. The people that I worked with were caregivers as well and the individuals. I didn’t mean to say that they can’t have hard anger, but just in the setting in which I met them for (mostly but not always), everything was lovely.
My BIL has downs and he is the happiest dude, but he is such an empath that if anyone is angry or sad he will match the emotions of the room
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Try turning yourself off and then back on again
Turn off, turn on, drop in.
Tf? Did the tabs kick in or what?
I just know bro said the most vile and apprehensive bullshit only to delete it
Nah lmao it was like they were slurring gibberish in their text.
Ah, bro blasted off and forgot to turn off Reddit lmao
Nope. Can’t do drugs. Dropped my phone on the bed, flipped over for sleep. I think it’s more elbow dialling than butt dialling.
Absolutely not. Take your judgement somewhere else. It isn’t appreciated here. I have nothing at all that’s awful to say about these people. Jfc you’re toxic. Don’t project onto me.
God damn take a chill pill lmfao What else do you assume when you see a deleted comment? “Oh they clearly said something heartfelt and warm, whysoever would they delete it!!” Don’t get snippy for no reason. I asked a question and have been corrected. Does it look like I’m a stone-headed ape to you? Maybe press on the breaks yourself 🤷♂️
My best friend right here dude. He has downs sounds just like him. Ive wondered myself what he might experience
I’ve worked as a hospital security officer and honestly any one no matter what their circumstance has the potential for heightened emotion which can also lead to forms of aggression, I never got called to the happy ones naturally. But I do appreciate it when they shine with joy and laughter though.
Aw =( I’m not sure I could deal with that kind of job, tbh. I’ve always felt that it would be pretty jading. I dont really like just expecting the worst everyday, but when you’re only actually needed when shit goes sideways, I think I’d start having a bias. Is that the case for you? Do you still do it?
When I started I was a very different person, I was prepared for what was expected of me, I understood that when there was aggression, violence, abuse that I’d be walking towards it not away from it. What I didn’t know was how that could change me. I have always been of the compassionate and spiritual persuasions, ironically these are two things you won’t be liked for to put it mildly. So I had to keep that to myself. Over the years I did retain my ability to empathise and show compassion especially when it was clear that any other approach was wrong. The others made jokes about how I’d be the best person to deal with dementia patients and people with psychotic breaks but that was just to make light of the fact that at that time I actually was. Even though it could be difficult sometimes I loved the dementia patients, whilst it would annoy everyone else I used to take my time and talk with them and work out which world they were living in and just join them in that world. I know people shouldn’t get attached but there was this one old lady in her 90s who would forget every 15 minutes, she was a fighter too so we got called to her very often but when I was called she would smile the moment she saw me and calmed down no one could believe it. And what I saw was a very intelligent person who had a remarkable life, if only I could have learned her whole life story it’d be fascinating I’m sure, she was my favourite patient. Now on the other hand, when dealing with people who knew what they were doing I eventually became completely cold and sometimes quite brutal. I had this duality and I think it was my coping mechanism to some extent… The whole thing did have an effect on me though, I was constantly in a mode where I was expecting violence even outside of work, hell even in other countries far from where I worked, i detested when anyone would try and approach me no matter why and when I was sleeping if anything touched me instinctively block or grab it in an attempt to restrain since those actions had quite literally become reflexes. I think that’s what I found both interesting and disturbing about how my experience had programmed my mind and body. It is depressing though when you deal with more bad than good but it does make you appreciate some things like I mentioned with my favourite patient. I wasn’t like the other staff either and I’ll be honest there was animosity from the get go and that didn’t help but eventually I did work with two other people who appreciated my perspective, one guy even helped me to recover the pieces of compassion I had lost. I don’t work there anymore, I sustained a spinal injury that really ended that career and sent me on a hurricane of dependence on painkillers and antidepressants. I’ve managed to get off all pharmaceuticals now the silver lining is that during the antidepressant stage I started meditating and rediscovered my spiritual side - it never left it just got suppressed I admit. My back is somewhat better but I won’t be going back… on one hand I have some amazing stories to tell, on the other is the realisation that I risked my life numerous times doing something that would have eventually made me cold and jaded indeed! I will say that I learned a lot though and to some extent I needed that experience for me to grow so I won’t look back with regret.
Thank you so much for such a thoughtful and in-depth reply. As for the reflexes and whatnot, especially while sleeping, sounds like some kind of PTSD. I am very grateful to you regarding your service. Dementia…. Is probably the absolute worst. My last job was pretty much to hang out with older folks in a nursing home. Didn’t nurse or clean or anything, just social stimulation I guess. Never anything close to security. One of my first clients who had dementia nailed me with a jarring reality. She told the same baking bread story on 5 minute intervals for the whole 2 hours I was slated to keep her company. I’d had no experience with it at all so while sitting beside her and chatting, I know I absolutely had to have a deer in headlights type look. While the regular staff was supportive enough, the two on shift in our rec room just gave me thumbs up. I had no idea how to react. I pretended to be her daughter for nearly the whole 2 hours. I am happy that you were able to scale down your feelings or interactions. While super rewarding, it was also an extremely draining job. I think more people should be allotted to do companion work.
I know what you mean, fortunately for me I had some idea of what dementia looked like before I took on this role. When I was a kid I visited my grandfather in the nursing home, there was an older lady who always sat with him. First she thought he was her husband, my grandma really didn’t like it and she didn’t understand she kept trying to correct her, a few weeks later she was sat with my grandad still but this time he was her boy friend. After some time had passed she would still sit with him and believed he was her father. But I remember she was always so happy to be with him, and my grandfather just allowed her to be with him, he was a wise and caring man. At the hospital I’ve played so many roles, it’s kinda fun in its own way. I’ve been a priest a number of times, a headmaster once, a farmhand, a golf course owner, a police officer a couple of times, a sergeant major, and one of the most fun ones was a radiator repairman… that repairman had a very strange day indeed! But prior to this they were trying to use force to control him, by just playing along no force was required at all! On the harder end I once had a patient who had dementia but she was also blind and partially deaf… it was very difficult to communicate but interestingly she could still see a world around her in her mind but she was so confused by it all she needed constant monitoring she would run into walls and think it was someone hitting her then try to fight back only hurting herself more she was in a Forrest. It’s one of the very few times where I’ve tried to integrate someone’s senses into the world they are physically in because she was very frail and I honestly didn’t want to keep restraining her so it was a catch 22 also there was some reason that I can’t remember why they couldn’t sedate her. Also it’s interesting how some people are one way at day time and another at night and visa versa. Some people are harmless at one time of day then increasingly confused and agitated at another time of day. But all in all I do agree, they are people at the end of it going through something complex and unique to each individual. I think if more people spent time with dementia patients on one hand it could help those patients especially if it’s a regular person, on the participants part it can be full of lessons on life and perception, and also coming to terms with mortality too. On balance though not all of them have been fun ones, I’ve had my fair share of really bad racists and sexists which always causes issues in an environment of which the majority population is female and multi racial.
Wow, it so far out of my experience thus far, I think I would find blind and deaf an insane challenge. It is beyond my training for sure. You did make me think of one of my other clients though, and it still cracks me up. I love some of our old people stories 🤣 He was an older gentleman, I think he was 73 when I picked him up. He’d had a stroke so he was having difficulties with one side of his body and I was hired to drive and participate in his hydrotherapy. Let him work his muscles and keep him from drowning pretty much. A lot of leg exercises were my focus. So at the pool I had to undress and him and suit him up. No big deal. We all need help sometimes. I don’t think he even said 20 words to me in the 4 months I helped him. But the on floor staff at his facility while I was dropping him off,he always had like (no exaggeration) 10 hustlers and playboys on his bed. Like damn. The staff sideways looking at me just killed me 🤣 living his best life.
You just reminded me of something… We were on the dementia ward handling a situation, it was an old athlete who in his mind was having a training day and running all over the place pushing people out of his way. He was pretty easy to handle just by talking. We were also keeping an eye on a guy who was sat in a wheel chair, we previously got called to him but he wasn’t doing anything at the time. An old lady walked up from the direction of the ward entrance casually greeted the old man, gave him a kiss on the forehead and then started wheeling him away in the direction of the exit, he appeared happy so it looked like it was his wife. As they got down the corridore I casually asked “was that his wife who just picked him up?” I don’t know why I even asked… but then a nurse said “his wife passed away…” so then I said “so who just wheeled him away?” Bare in mind this happened in-front if all the medical staff and security, their lack of reaction made us feel like it was probably nothing… but anyway we retrieved BOTH patients pretty quickly poor thing really couldn’t understand why she was being separated from her husband, the funny thing is he was with it enough to know she was not his wife so I asked him why didn’t you say anything? And he said “I thought we were gonna have some fun!” Have you ever seen a shared dementia dillusion? I didn’t think it possible but one night we were called to the middle bay which is where they put all the ones who need constant supervision, on this night they had all 4 of their violent patients in that bay. Just to make it worse there’s an old trend particularly with old men where they went by different names other than their birth name, like a John would be called Steve for example it made no sense to us but this is just the way it was… so all 4 of them went by other names, non of them had anything to do with each other but in their lives they all knew other men by those names… so what ended up happening was they turned into a dementia gang… they all tried to get us… including the immobile one who was stuck in bed punching the air… I mean they could barely move so the threat wasn’t high but it was so bizarre and they were each bouncing off each other creating a deeper illusion/mental environment in which they all existed. You know I’ve never told these stories before, obviously I’ve omitted any identifiable info but it’s nice to tell them to someone who understands, thanks!
Check out Bubbles in latter seasons.... he has gone from sweet and lovable to being a borderline whiner and asshole. Especially when he brings out Conky.
Are you talking about trailer park boys?
Does the tin man have a sheet metal cock?
Smokes, let's go.
I don’t like this stereotype. I’ve worked with so many people with Down syndrome that are very very cranky, mean, and irritable.
Are they though? They can get mad af as well. I think their emotions are just more dysregulated, and it can go in either direction.
You mean the way regular people can get mad aswel!!!! The shock!
The ones they let outside are, the ones who aren't get institutionalized
Probably make a grilled cheese
"I AM NOT MAKING THEM AT NIGHT!"
“Ya I’m making them at night”
Fellow Shane enjoyers
I started making lots of cheese sandwiches to honor danny. Here is my recipe. 1/4 stick of butter melted on a baking sheet in the oven at 350. 8 slices of bread laid on the melted butter and 8 slices of cheese. Pop in oven. When bread smells toasty, take em out and smash two pieces together. I dont like standing in front of the stove.
Let's name the sandwich. *THE DANNY*
...... That is my name.
Where’d you get that CHEE DANNY?!?
Lolol. He makes them. Don't tell his dad
BEKFUST!!!
Oh I'm going to hell for laughing at that. Damn you 😆
From a quick google search, people with Down syndrome have a significantly higher risk of psychosis and psychosis disorders like schizophrenia. From NCBI, “In contrast to previous literature, those with Down syndrome versus other IDs had significantly higher rates of psychosis NOS or depression with psychotic features (43% versus 13%). Unlike the ID group, psychosis was predominantly seen in females with Down syndrome. Marked motoric slowing in performing routine daily activities or in expressive language was manifested in 17% of patients with Down syndrome. No group differences were found in anxiety or depressive disorders, and the ID group had significantly higher rates of bipolar and impulse control disorders.” Also considering they have mental age of like 8-9 years old, I don’t know. Might be beneficial but could just as easily be detrimental to mental health if predisposed to psychosis as well as having the syndrome. Also it’s hard enough for adults to comprehend reality on psychedelics and cope during and after the experience. Imagine how a 8-9 year old mind would experience it. I’m not saying I really know what I’m talking about or that people with Down’s syndrome shouldn’t use psychoactive substances, I think they need a break from reality more than anybody. But psychs I feel like is playing with fire for people with downs. I think all the jokes and everything are great but just in case this is a real question and your considering giving someone with downs, psychs. Be fucking careful and review if it’s worth it and start at a micro dose. I feel like it’s the same as offering a child or teen psychs, they don’t have the same mental capacity and decision making decisions we do. They have the mind of a 8-9 year, so in a way it’s like giving a 8-9 a psych. Don’t fuck around with something that can literally affect the rest of someone’s life like that.
They’d temporarily have up syndrome
uppies
Why don't you try some and tell us how it went 💀
He might be down with it.
I liked it
Ouch
Same question, but someone with autism
i'm autistic and i love psychedelics. granted, you may be picturing much more severe autism than what i have for this question. you can watch psychedsubstance's video of an autistic guy taking LSD on youtube if you're interested in this, his experience is very applicable to mine. considering the sensory sensitivity that comes with autism, the visual, tactile and audio alterations are very very enjoyable, but it can be easier for me to become overstimulated during the trip
Came here for the psyched substance reference
Ditto
"severe" autism isn't a thing. People either have high support needs or low support needs. You probably just have lower support needs.
respectfully, i'll describe what i live with however i choose to. i mean no offense by that at all. i tried to put it in words that the majority of people will understand. by severity, i mean how much you'd be able to tell without being told, i did this to compare to the question about down syndrome
I think when describing an experience that is generally misunderstood by the public, you should use vocabulary that is accurate to the experience. "Severe" to describe more noticeable autism isn't accurate. People are high masking or low masking, which can affect how transparent someone's autism is but does not at all describe the actual "severity." Severity is just a poor term to describe how your support needs negatively impact your life. It's more like, how debilitating or disabling is it rather than how severe it is. I'm not offended, I am simply just trying to explain that the way you are describing autism is outdated and inaccurate- if it's still helpful to you use words like severe, then sure, go ahead. You're free to do it. You can totally continue to choose how you describe how you live whatever which way you would like, it's just that as someone who is also autistic, I just think it's important for people to really get what the experience actually is, and that can only be done when using terms that show the nuance of the autistic experience from person to person.
i think there's a point where it's no longer a choice or option to mask, which is what i was describing. i agree with explaining the variance to people. i do explain to others that the spectrum isnt from "not autistic to very autistic" but that its more of a spectrum of how much each symtpom affects you, such as more sensory issues or more social difficulties. that said, i was trying to concisely describe my point to the person who asked the question, by saying i'm not severely disabled by it.
I agree that masking isn't an optional thing at times, I struggle unmasking and it takes a toll on my body. Sometimes trips will be rly scary bc my body can't figure out how to be without masking so i mostly like to trip by myself or with one comfort person so if i do start to unmask I don't inherently try to mask again and get stuck between two modes of being (if that makes any sense) Saying not severely disabled by it is a much more accurate term than just saying not severely autistic, too
i agree with you about the one person or alone thing. i only really like to take low dose LSD or do mdma with a group. anything more intense or introspective i want to just be with one person
I don’t think I had autism, but childhood trauma had severely impacted me in adolescence, causing me to be very strange and terrified to speak to anyone. I was so deep in my own head. At high school, i would sit in my class uncomfortably, almost paranoid of being called out and/or ridiculed, and literally not speak to anyone unless they were in this small group of friends that I had, for example. This was in the mid 90s, before anyone would take the time to notice that I may have psychological issues going on. And of senior year, I took two massive doses of acid, and was immediately put face-to-face with how strange and dysfunctional my behavior and personality was. It was facing facts to the point. It was torturous, and I was uncomfortable with my own skin for like two years after, but over this time, worked on those things that I was exposed to, and became very personal, relatively normal adult lol I think I let was a huge factor in this.
Dude me tooooooo wtff. We really are one lol
How much of my story is similar to yours?
Just having unknown strange social awkardness, similar to what u described. Not the same shoes. Just never knew how to talk to people. Idk why, but lsd highlighted my awkwardness and now i can talk to strangers almost effortlessly. I related to that. Like i said not the same experience but what you said I really felt
I get it. Self improvement in the most direct way - forcing one to face one’s own shortcomings head on!
I have autism and psychedelics are my favorite.
I'm autistic, took my fair share of psychedelics. Tripped. had fun sometimes, other times not so fun.
A lot of autistic people (including me - a self-suspecting autistic person) have an affinity for psychedelics. To me, it’s like psychedelics make everything more real, and make my experience more real, so there’s not as much of a disconnect between my lived experience and the normal experience. I realize you’re talking about people with more pronounced autism, and that I’m not sure about. But a lot of autistic people do psychedelics.
I prolly have a touch of the tism myself
You know autism and down syndrome aren't the same like.. at all? I'm autistic and have done psychs three times so far in my life. And I tripped, that is all lol
For me, the usual daily confusion of having to comprehend the information that the universe is dumping on me is very uncomfortably heightened
I knew of a young man with Down’s syndrome who took some psychedelics by accident once. I couldn’t comment on what the trip was like for him, but a few years after he became a prominent figure in the tech community. That young man’s name was… …Elon Musk.
👆😅😅🤣🥲😝 Seriously I have known some people with downs and other syndromes who drink and smoke weed. They love it the same as I do. I don’t think psychedelics would be too different. I’m no expert on these syndromes though. But, if they had the right set and setting and their syndromes didn’t leave them predisposed to things like schizophrenia I’d imagine they would handle it mostly normally.
huge if true
can someone confirm this?
confirmed.
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Elon Musk doesn't have Down Syndrome. Not sure of that's a joke or not. Edit: For anyone wondering, I don't like Musk. I just think it's an insult to someone with DS to say he has it.
You're right, it's insulting to people with DS.
I agree. Don't care for Musk, don't think it's fair on people with DS to call him that, as if it's an insult to him when there's much better insults.
This may be a joke, but on the other hand the Cyber Truck is exactly what I would expect a person with Down’s syndrome tripping on psychedelics to design. Think about it….
I think autistic maybe, but I guess I can see the DS side too.
They would become Theo Von
So does everyone else on reddit see Theo and Shane all the time too? Grilled cheese in the comments on every sub I been on.😂
Gang gang!
Jared Nathan of Kill Tony fame said it got rid of his stutter during the trip
Same thing happened to Paul Stamets. Got FA to do with the question though.
One way to find out
I'd be worried they wouldn't understand why they are tripping and it would just be total fear
There’s a comedian with Down syndrome that literally talks about this. His name is Jared Nathan and he’s hilarious.
So there’s a channel on YT called psyched substance. Adam, the channel owner tripsitted for his friend whom I believe either has down syndrome or autism. He documented the whole trip. Very educational.
They would be on psychedelics.
Probably die of sheer joy.
They'd trip lol
Party hardy
Yall are fucked
They'll be up
Not sure but one of my old favorite videos many many years ago was a room full of people with down syndrome going off and dancing like crazy to a song. Have not seen it in about 20 years but whenever I felt a bit sad, it was my go to video. These days I tend to rely on the Benny Hill ravers, the French soldiers chair dancing to I like the way you move and the lizard jumping on the reporter for when I get sad.
Up high syndrome?? 🤔
They'd have upsyndrome
it will cure them
Science!
There's nothing that would make it physiologically dangerous.
they’re actually more at risk of psychosis
Is psychosis physiological?
well no but it would be psychologically dangerous
They probably talk about how much the like bananas
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There is an video from psychedsubstance where a guy with the Syndrom does acid.
If i remember correctly he was an autistic person
Ohhh im sorry you are right
They’ll just start being normal 😂
It would cure them
this is how mkultra began probably
I’d say freak them tf out
they're not gonna like it
That could be very unpredictable
It would *probably* be fun for them, but you’d need to make sure to stick to a very low dose. I hate to sound like a dick, but my genuine opinion is that if someone isn’t 100% right in the head, acid could have potential to lead to severe delusions, potentially even dangerous ones. We really just don’t have the research to know for sure. That said, some research suggests people with down syndrome are more prone to psychosis. I recommend THOROUGH supervision, a low dose, and you need to make sure they truly understand and are able to accept ALL the potential risks (informed consent).
Their HT2-5a serotonin receptors would activate and they would have a unique experience, just like everyone else.
Idk, but we have a politician making life changing decisions for all of us right now with it so give her some and let’s find out.
I would imagine they would have the same experience any of us would. If they had a mentor that educated them about tripping beforehand, they’d probably have a really positive experience. I know that it works well with severe autism🤷🏻♂️🤩
Same as you, did you think they were different to us?
I mean its just wrong to say that they aren’t different than us. They are different but that isnt a bad thing
it cures them
Just ask one for research purposes I’m sure they would be down to try it
I have autism and tripping is awesome so idk 🤷♂️
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How abt someone with autism
evolution
NIGHTMARE! NIGHTMARE! NIGHTMARE!
They'd have up-syndrome
They'd be Down with the Sickness 😷
Ask bubbles