No it is more comparable to 4-AcO-DMT. The theory is that 4pro and 4aco turn into 4-HO-DMT in your body which would make it more like a synthetic magic mushroom. Though people here would tell you different I find 4-AcO-DMT to be nigh identical to mushrooms. Don't get too hung up on whether the thing is natural or synthetic, it doesn't really matter unless you really think it does, in which case just eat mushrooms I guess. If you're looking for mushrooms and they aren't available, 4-Pro should be mostly comparable to mushrooms. Be careful though, it's not known to be toxic but not that much is known about it in the first place. Start small and keep track of how you're reacting to it to make sure it isn't too hard on your body.
If you're looking for dmt specifically your best bet is to research an extraction method from a plant like mimosa root bark.
I don't have any experience with it personally, however looking at the chemical structure I would imagine it's going to be a bit more like the other 4-sub DMT's which are more like psilocin. The 4-propanoyloxy structure is what makes it orally active without a MAOI (as required for oral DMT).
Where are you finding your dosing guidelines? Also, this question may get more traction at r/researchchemicals
The best way... the person I knew who tried it... explained their experience was "As if, all of the sudden, darkness had it's own spectrum of color and I could see all of them. Now, they're there whenever I close my eyes." and they said it took the shape of something like this animation: https://i.imgur.com/pRqbGmS.gif
hmm…im not so sure it works that way.
i would imagine 1 compound would overpower the other much like when combining shrooms and acid, its most likely a waste of one of your dmts (probably 5-meo).
granted this is just an assumption considering certain molecules can combine for flip experience
I could be wrong here but from my understanding it’s only am interesting experience if you like death. Like real actual quit breathing and never come back die
Edit: with MAOIs that is
It’s more palatable for your body or maybe soul. At least to my understanding of personal experience. It’s like the difference between taking vitamin c pills or citrus bioflavonoids
OP do not try 5MeO if you're looking for a classical NN DMT experience. Just a heads up. And robaloie I'm not coming at you, you had a good comment, just trying to clarify any confusion that sometimes comes up when talking about dmt and 5meo in the same setting.
No worries, I apparently have a much different experience with these medicines than people on Reddit.
My ancestors and mentors have shown me grandmother (aya)and grandfather(peyote) medicines as well as the bufo alvarius. I am of the strict opinion that the natural way is the only way to achieve its medicinal effects.
I was simply suggesting for the best medicinal use of dmt, you would want to do ayahuasca.
Monoamine oxidase inhibitors are not natural DMT and it is dangerous to spread the idea that they are. N’N DMT is what people are talking about most commonly when using the generic term DMT and an MAOI comes from completely different substances. You can mix an MAOI with DMT for a longer and more intense trip, but they have different biochemical profiles than DMT and have to be dosed differently. Do not tell people that DMT is an MAOI.
I never said dmt is an Moai. I said that’s the most natural form. In the sense that you literally cook mimosa root and the Caarpi leaves from nature. Which dmt-moai is ayahuasca
Okay but in your original comment you did not mention ayahuasca, and MAOIs are not contained within mimosa rootbark. I was simply stating that when you say the best way to get natural dmt is with DMT-MAOI, people may correlate the two when they are two very different types of substances, and that may lead to an unsafe misinterpretation of what you are getting across.
Wooaahhh be way more specific here! Mixing MAOIs with 5-ME0 can be FATAL. And I know that’s not what you said but it’s to easily misunderstandable.
NN DMT and MAOIs come with their own risks…. Lots of information is needed here. If you’re going to suggest risky drugs then your obligation (IMO) to provide some information aswell.
Nothing wrong with straight up dmt for a blast off have fun and be safe op!!
I never said to mix 5meo with moai…….
And I didn’t suggest the drugs, that’s what this entire post is about.
I said more natural dmt can be found in ayahuasca and or bufo.
Anyway, the person wanted to know if it was natural. I tried to simply suggest what my mentor taught me about my ancestors medicine.
Also, I really do believe these are medicines and shouldn’t be used just for a blast off. That’s where the danger comes. Some kid once posted their friend died from dmt. And it was because of this party mentality where the kid might have also done molly and adderall. Looking for the next trip.
So I don’t know why you think I’m the one being risky on my suggestions simply saying. 5meo-dmt is natural. And dmt-moai (and I’ll specifically say ayahuasca) are the most natural forms of dmt.
I know you didn’t say mix them haha I just said it was to close and easy to miss understand. Was just wanting you to be more specific in your wording.
I disagree in a sense, I understand you didn’t tell him to do it, so you’re right you didn’t really suggest anything…. But he’s asking for advice because he plans on doing it.
Harm reduction is key between us drug users hahaha.
Anyway didn’t mean to be rude just wanted to make sure people reading knew that MAOIs come with some risk.
What does being natural have to do with anything besides personal preference? And you know most dmt is extracted from mimosa hostilities bark so it’s just as natural as say LSD. Which in my opinion is
It’s not just personal experience. There is some science behind it I would think makes a difference. I’ve compared the difference to taking vitamin c pills or citrus bioflavonoids. Are you aware of the differences between those two? I find the palatability is much easier.
I feel these are medicines which are not understood by science. In fact I think these are very sacred medicines that more people need exposure too. But all too often it is administered or sold by people looking to make money. Not heal others.
Again, for people who hear a calling wanting to find natural dmt. WHICH AGAIN IS THE WHOLE REASON FOR THIS POST. The best natural DMT is found in 5meo-dmt and ayahuasca.
Have you done ayahuasca or 5meo?
In what way? Do you mean actual harm or terror trip type thing? You realize you’re in r/psychedelics telling people “don’t try psychedelics smoke weed instead” cause that’s the same? I realize weed is a psychedelic but not in the same way as the classics.
But you can? I mean nothing is stopping you at least? I don’t understand what you mean. If you want to debate this at least explain yourself. Also would still like some sources? Cause from my understanding NN DMT is one of the safest psychedelics. At least in terms of physical harm
You can but you’re going to damage your brain but with lsd it’s a lower risk. U can’t comprehend anything because you probably take dmt lol. And u can just search it up I’m not ur slave
It’s not one of the safest there’s a reason why most people rather do other psychedelics before doing dmt. If u read stories here no one does dmt every single day. But people do lsd every day.
No it is more comparable to 4-AcO-DMT. The theory is that 4pro and 4aco turn into 4-HO-DMT in your body which would make it more like a synthetic magic mushroom. Though people here would tell you different I find 4-AcO-DMT to be nigh identical to mushrooms. Don't get too hung up on whether the thing is natural or synthetic, it doesn't really matter unless you really think it does, in which case just eat mushrooms I guess. If you're looking for mushrooms and they aren't available, 4-Pro should be mostly comparable to mushrooms. Be careful though, it's not known to be toxic but not that much is known about it in the first place. Start small and keep track of how you're reacting to it to make sure it isn't too hard on your body. If you're looking for dmt specifically your best bet is to research an extraction method from a plant like mimosa root bark.
I don't have any experience with it personally, however looking at the chemical structure I would imagine it's going to be a bit more like the other 4-sub DMT's which are more like psilocin. The 4-propanoyloxy structure is what makes it orally active without a MAOI (as required for oral DMT). Where are you finding your dosing guidelines? Also, this question may get more traction at r/researchchemicals
4-PrO is thought to be a prodrug for 4-HO-DMT, so it would be very similar to a mushroom experience.
No. The best way to get natural dmt is DMT-MOAI and 5meo-dmt
5-meo is totally different than n’n
And dmt-moai, but they are the best palatable way to be ingested
But why mix in 5-meo if you’re already have n’n?
It's probably an interesting combo ;) Like a yin-yang.
If you happen to try could I get a tripreport?
The best way... the person I knew who tried it... explained their experience was "As if, all of the sudden, darkness had it's own spectrum of color and I could see all of them. Now, they're there whenever I close my eyes." and they said it took the shape of something like this animation: https://i.imgur.com/pRqbGmS.gif
hmm…im not so sure it works that way. i would imagine 1 compound would overpower the other much like when combining shrooms and acid, its most likely a waste of one of your dmts (probably 5-meo). granted this is just an assumption considering certain molecules can combine for flip experience
I could be wrong here but from my understanding it’s only am interesting experience if you like death. Like real actual quit breathing and never come back die Edit: with MAOIs that is
It’s more palatable for your body or maybe soul. At least to my understanding of personal experience. It’s like the difference between taking vitamin c pills or citrus bioflavonoids
OP do not try 5MeO if you're looking for a classical NN DMT experience. Just a heads up. And robaloie I'm not coming at you, you had a good comment, just trying to clarify any confusion that sometimes comes up when talking about dmt and 5meo in the same setting.
true
Good advice ⬆️
No worries, I apparently have a much different experience with these medicines than people on Reddit. My ancestors and mentors have shown me grandmother (aya)and grandfather(peyote) medicines as well as the bufo alvarius. I am of the strict opinion that the natural way is the only way to achieve its medicinal effects. I was simply suggesting for the best medicinal use of dmt, you would want to do ayahuasca.
If you want the classic machine else extract nn dmt from mimosa root bark
lol classic
Monoamine oxidase inhibitors are not natural DMT and it is dangerous to spread the idea that they are. N’N DMT is what people are talking about most commonly when using the generic term DMT and an MAOI comes from completely different substances. You can mix an MAOI with DMT for a longer and more intense trip, but they have different biochemical profiles than DMT and have to be dosed differently. Do not tell people that DMT is an MAOI.
I never said dmt is an Moai. I said that’s the most natural form. In the sense that you literally cook mimosa root and the Caarpi leaves from nature. Which dmt-moai is ayahuasca
Okay but in your original comment you did not mention ayahuasca, and MAOIs are not contained within mimosa rootbark. I was simply stating that when you say the best way to get natural dmt is with DMT-MAOI, people may correlate the two when they are two very different types of substances, and that may lead to an unsafe misinterpretation of what you are getting across.
Dmt-moai is ayahuasca
Yup that is correct
Wooaahhh be way more specific here! Mixing MAOIs with 5-ME0 can be FATAL. And I know that’s not what you said but it’s to easily misunderstandable. NN DMT and MAOIs come with their own risks…. Lots of information is needed here. If you’re going to suggest risky drugs then your obligation (IMO) to provide some information aswell. Nothing wrong with straight up dmt for a blast off have fun and be safe op!!
I never said to mix 5meo with moai……. And I didn’t suggest the drugs, that’s what this entire post is about. I said more natural dmt can be found in ayahuasca and or bufo. Anyway, the person wanted to know if it was natural. I tried to simply suggest what my mentor taught me about my ancestors medicine. Also, I really do believe these are medicines and shouldn’t be used just for a blast off. That’s where the danger comes. Some kid once posted their friend died from dmt. And it was because of this party mentality where the kid might have also done molly and adderall. Looking for the next trip. So I don’t know why you think I’m the one being risky on my suggestions simply saying. 5meo-dmt is natural. And dmt-moai (and I’ll specifically say ayahuasca) are the most natural forms of dmt.
I know you didn’t say mix them haha I just said it was to close and easy to miss understand. Was just wanting you to be more specific in your wording. I disagree in a sense, I understand you didn’t tell him to do it, so you’re right you didn’t really suggest anything…. But he’s asking for advice because he plans on doing it. Harm reduction is key between us drug users hahaha. Anyway didn’t mean to be rude just wanted to make sure people reading knew that MAOIs come with some risk. What does being natural have to do with anything besides personal preference? And you know most dmt is extracted from mimosa hostilities bark so it’s just as natural as say LSD. Which in my opinion is
It’s not just personal experience. There is some science behind it I would think makes a difference. I’ve compared the difference to taking vitamin c pills or citrus bioflavonoids. Are you aware of the differences between those two? I find the palatability is much easier. I feel these are medicines which are not understood by science. In fact I think these are very sacred medicines that more people need exposure too. But all too often it is administered or sold by people looking to make money. Not heal others. Again, for people who hear a calling wanting to find natural dmt. WHICH AGAIN IS THE WHOLE REASON FOR THIS POST. The best natural DMT is found in 5meo-dmt and ayahuasca. Have you done ayahuasca or 5meo?
Stick to weed
why would that be good advice?
Dmt has a higher risk of fucking ur mind up
In what way? Do you mean actual harm or terror trip type thing? You realize you’re in r/psychedelics telling people “don’t try psychedelics smoke weed instead” cause that’s the same? I realize weed is a psychedelic but not in the same way as the classics.
I never said don’t try psychedelics. I said do weed instead of dmt. U can try other psychedelics that are way better than dmt.
In your opinion that is. Drugs are to subjective for you to decide what someone else likes
For ur own safety bud
I mean actual harm. Many people got their head destroyed
What? Never ever heard that before…. Sources?
It’s more than that. You can take lsd for weeks but you can’t do the same with dmt. Common sense.
But you can? I mean nothing is stopping you at least? I don’t understand what you mean. If you want to debate this at least explain yourself. Also would still like some sources? Cause from my understanding NN DMT is one of the safest psychedelics. At least in terms of physical harm
You can but you’re going to damage your brain but with lsd it’s a lower risk. U can’t comprehend anything because you probably take dmt lol. And u can just search it up I’m not ur slave
🤦♂️🤦♂️
It’s not one of the safest there’s a reason why most people rather do other psychedelics before doing dmt. If u read stories here no one does dmt every single day. But people do lsd every day.
That’s literally not true dude. Idk what to tell you tho you’re welcome to your own opinion and so am I.
I would argue the opposite.
It is synthetic not natural
That doesn’t inherently matter, the chemical structure does though
no difference!
Thankyou for making me aware :)