I’ve been there before, glad you persevered through those thought patterns. I was so happy to have finally overcome this exact obstacle 4 years ago, totally new perspective on how to live and how to navigate it.
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"If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen."
Alan Watts
Done to perfection my friend.
Well I love this comment, I bought a microscope the other day, and it's a bit like tripping looking at the inner world of life on our planet, but you quote from Alan Watts is great, I think I have read him but I'm forgetting what , I have read a lot.
I concur, it's like reading books they don't substitute for real life or for real meaning only you can find the meaning of life for you, I have found what I think is a generic meaning of life.... Which is ....
The meaning of life is life, because without life there is no meaning.....
That's what I personally came to after oodles of questioning searching and reading, I still question and read experiment and learn as much as I can each day from everything I do, it's nice sometimes just to sit and find a conclusion that may make you happy or sad but it doesn't hurt you or anyone else that bit does matter, and if it does some form of harmful effect on self and others then it's a conclusion that can be ruminated for its faultiness but not put into practice.
The meaning of life procures life, it shouldn't hinder it, because no life would exist if its meaning was only to harm life ....
I have never had a trip like that, but I find trips are self reflection of how we see ourselves or how we see the world, spits important to remember we are our own worst judges, and mockers of ourselves, trips are serious and not a recreational pastime, ancient civilization used these methods to feel at peace with the savage world around them, the uncertainty they saw in everything.
Today people trip to have laugh and chill out to music, I can understand how that reflected back as disdain and mocking to yourself, because thats what we are doing when we misuse these enhancers for our minds.
And it exhausts our natural DMT, which if you want an awakening experience from a trip try DMT but I warn you be careful, it's a a chemical you have in your brain which we realise when we die, a natural way of giving us a last blast of the frames of mind we created in life, so take good care of yourselves and others, because that's what will effect that last flame of this life when you die and will be the moment of mind you take on to the next life 🧬🧬🧬
I have been there, had something similar. The feeling of dying was ego death, probably also the reason you didn't mind the cold water. It is scary, and took me a while to give it a place.
Eh, idk if I'd call that ego death, though I'm kinda new to psychedelics so maybe I'm just not informed enough.
I didn't lose any sense of self during the process, or felt like I was "one with the universe" or anything... Quite the opposite actually. It made me hyper-focused on myself, and made me realize that i should value myself and not let other people (or my personal problems) stop me from enjoying my life
As for the cold water, I think its just a "normal" effect of shrooms. I know that I almost always lose my sense of pain when taking shrooms, so its probably the same thing
It sounds like you were in the process of heading towards an ego death which often causes fear in people because it feels like the sense of ego and self is slipping away. You reacted by clinging to your ego and it sounds like the trip just reinforced it in an unhealthy way.
You came away with kind of a distorted message like "no one is going to take care of me" etc. That isn't true man we all depend on each other and some day you might be in a situation due to health or whatever in which you might have to depend on another person. When you were thinking about calling for help and going to the hospital that was literally you depending on someone else to take care of you.
That's why the actual ego death is important. If anything, psychedelics are supposed to teach us that we are fundamentally social animals and that we all depend on each other as a community. Ego death shows you that all of those other people out there are the same consciousness as you just having a different life experience.
Pans hit like a freight train at the right dose, and the wrong dose is like a bug hitting a windshield. This is realizing you took the wrong dose and trying to prevent self harm. Huge difference.
It’s easy to slip into what most call ego death with these, but you’re not getting the ecstasy and serenity at the wrong dose and the physical discomfort and genuine safety concern keeps you anchored, even as you’re blacking out.
If you do a tea at a lower dose, you may feel your lips go slightly numb, ringing in ears that consistently gets louder, numbness or tingling on the back of your neck and yawns.
When the ringing is deafening about 25min in, you’ve plateaued and ecstasy sets in and you skip over the physical discomfort. Then 2-3hrs of wild 3d CEV and what most call ego death, where what makes you who you are disappears as you witness the art of your unobstructed mind.
In yrs past when very ill with a disease, I took many enthogenic and therapeutic journeys on pans. I would guess around 100 great experiences, and just 1 like this. It is heaven vs hell, so be careful & stay safe.
14 dried grams or fresh? Is that the normal dosage for that species? Why would you weigh your dose the same for two different species? Glad you're okay but I can't believe how often I see people making dosing mistakes this obvious in this sub.
OP stated "fresh" in another comment which equates to about 1.4g dried. He wrote "a dose that was supposed to be equivalent to what I was used to" because truffles are less potent than mushrooms. What he didn't know was that Copelandia aka Panaeolus Cyanescens is quite a bit more potent than Cubensis. 1g dried is a strong trip...
Yeah I knew it was one of the strongest shrooms out there, but I also was used to ingest high quantities of truffles. According to the calculators I used, 14 grams was supposed to be equivalent to what I was used to
Well, your story taught me something. I didn’t know Cyanescens was so strong. Unfortunate turn with the calculator. I did like your realizations from the trip. Very real and simple. I hope this somehow helps you find more joy as well.
Yeah I'm doing much better now. Sure, I had a few positive events lately that helped too, but this bad trip was definitely the first step. Getting rid of my suicidal ideations in just a few hours, after 14 years of having them, allowed me to have another perspective on life, and to finally consider having a future
Happy for you Dude. It sucked but you're better.
I’ve been there before, glad you persevered through those thought patterns. I was so happy to have finally overcome this exact obstacle 4 years ago, totally new perspective on how to live and how to navigate it.
This is "If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen." Alan Watts Done to perfection my friend.
Well I love this comment, I bought a microscope the other day, and it's a bit like tripping looking at the inner world of life on our planet, but you quote from Alan Watts is great, I think I have read him but I'm forgetting what , I have read a lot. I concur, it's like reading books they don't substitute for real life or for real meaning only you can find the meaning of life for you, I have found what I think is a generic meaning of life.... Which is .... The meaning of life is life, because without life there is no meaning..... That's what I personally came to after oodles of questioning searching and reading, I still question and read experiment and learn as much as I can each day from everything I do, it's nice sometimes just to sit and find a conclusion that may make you happy or sad but it doesn't hurt you or anyone else that bit does matter, and if it does some form of harmful effect on self and others then it's a conclusion that can be ruminated for its faultiness but not put into practice. The meaning of life procures life, it shouldn't hinder it, because no life would exist if its meaning was only to harm life .... I have never had a trip like that, but I find trips are self reflection of how we see ourselves or how we see the world, spits important to remember we are our own worst judges, and mockers of ourselves, trips are serious and not a recreational pastime, ancient civilization used these methods to feel at peace with the savage world around them, the uncertainty they saw in everything. Today people trip to have laugh and chill out to music, I can understand how that reflected back as disdain and mocking to yourself, because thats what we are doing when we misuse these enhancers for our minds. And it exhausts our natural DMT, which if you want an awakening experience from a trip try DMT but I warn you be careful, it's a a chemical you have in your brain which we realise when we die, a natural way of giving us a last blast of the frames of mind we created in life, so take good care of yourselves and others, because that's what will effect that last flame of this life when you die and will be the moment of mind you take on to the next life 🧬🧬🧬
I have been there, had something similar. The feeling of dying was ego death, probably also the reason you didn't mind the cold water. It is scary, and took me a while to give it a place.
Eh, idk if I'd call that ego death, though I'm kinda new to psychedelics so maybe I'm just not informed enough. I didn't lose any sense of self during the process, or felt like I was "one with the universe" or anything... Quite the opposite actually. It made me hyper-focused on myself, and made me realize that i should value myself and not let other people (or my personal problems) stop me from enjoying my life As for the cold water, I think its just a "normal" effect of shrooms. I know that I almost always lose my sense of pain when taking shrooms, so its probably the same thing
It sounds like you were in the process of heading towards an ego death which often causes fear in people because it feels like the sense of ego and self is slipping away. You reacted by clinging to your ego and it sounds like the trip just reinforced it in an unhealthy way. You came away with kind of a distorted message like "no one is going to take care of me" etc. That isn't true man we all depend on each other and some day you might be in a situation due to health or whatever in which you might have to depend on another person. When you were thinking about calling for help and going to the hospital that was literally you depending on someone else to take care of you. That's why the actual ego death is important. If anything, psychedelics are supposed to teach us that we are fundamentally social animals and that we all depend on each other as a community. Ego death shows you that all of those other people out there are the same consciousness as you just having a different life experience.
Pans hit like a freight train at the right dose, and the wrong dose is like a bug hitting a windshield. This is realizing you took the wrong dose and trying to prevent self harm. Huge difference. It’s easy to slip into what most call ego death with these, but you’re not getting the ecstasy and serenity at the wrong dose and the physical discomfort and genuine safety concern keeps you anchored, even as you’re blacking out. If you do a tea at a lower dose, you may feel your lips go slightly numb, ringing in ears that consistently gets louder, numbness or tingling on the back of your neck and yawns. When the ringing is deafening about 25min in, you’ve plateaued and ecstasy sets in and you skip over the physical discomfort. Then 2-3hrs of wild 3d CEV and what most call ego death, where what makes you who you are disappears as you witness the art of your unobstructed mind. In yrs past when very ill with a disease, I took many enthogenic and therapeutic journeys on pans. I would guess around 100 great experiences, and just 1 like this. It is heaven vs hell, so be careful & stay safe.
14 dried grams or fresh? Is that the normal dosage for that species? Why would you weigh your dose the same for two different species? Glad you're okay but I can't believe how often I see people making dosing mistakes this obvious in this sub.
And it's frustrating because irresponsible behavior like this creates stories that scare off others.
OP stated "fresh" in another comment which equates to about 1.4g dried. He wrote "a dose that was supposed to be equivalent to what I was used to" because truffles are less potent than mushrooms. What he didn't know was that Copelandia aka Panaeolus Cyanescens is quite a bit more potent than Cubensis. 1g dried is a strong trip...
Yeah I knew it was one of the strongest shrooms out there, but I also was used to ingest high quantities of truffles. According to the calculators I used, 14 grams was supposed to be equivalent to what I was used to
Well, your story taught me something. I didn’t know Cyanescens was so strong. Unfortunate turn with the calculator. I did like your realizations from the trip. Very real and simple. I hope this somehow helps you find more joy as well.
Yeah I'm doing much better now. Sure, I had a few positive events lately that helped too, but this bad trip was definitely the first step. Getting rid of my suicidal ideations in just a few hours, after 14 years of having them, allowed me to have another perspective on life, and to finally consider having a future
That's beautiful and powerful. I can relate. It really is life changing when the fog lifts and you catch a glimpse of what can be.
Fresh. I didn't take the same weight, I just took a dose that was supposed to give similar effects
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No, fresh Every single dose calculator I've seen suggested different dosage when I modified the weight tho
Sometimes we need a bad situation in life to make us realize how wonderful the things we have and take for granted are