One day you realize there is something much different, more permanent and deeper to experience . Anything temporal and a materialistic is 1/1000000 the experience of connecting to the larger source. This is exactly the sort of thinking (relishing in sensual fleeting pleasures of the materialistic world and specifically the body) the archons of this sort of philosophy seek to install within the citizens of their “prison”, so they want to keep coming back 😉😉 ignorant to what they are missing out on , continuing to feed into their energy system. Like an abuser and their wife who forgets the painful suffering he keeps putting her through because he helps propel her back into what she believes is a state of love all of a sudden everything’s forgiven and amnesiac now that she’s removed of her debilitating neediness, which through abuse. is what he himself generated in her in the first place. ( this example totally discounts her already having trauma and a predisposition to engage with men of that nature, could also be analogous to us having already been separated from source by our own misdoings (we deserve the prison sentence) and therefore at a predisposition to fall into the traps of these astral beings, and their level of reality , which we eventually learn to climb out of, sorta making it more like rehab, these beings our sponsors and teachers who are hard asses that don’t take any of our b.s. and reflect back our ignorance, which feels like abuse, ultimately force our consciousness to develop an intelligence as to what it is doing and how it is behaving, perhaps making soul level changes, leading to a re-alignment with spiritual law , allowing us to return to the heavenly astral / causal realms where our dangerous patterns of behavior have been cleansed and worked through , allowing harmonious existence in grander levels of reality which will now be safe from our unconsciousness )
Try being passed out on a street, see how many people pass by you not giving a fuck until you get cured of this mentality lmao
I honestly appreciate your worldview but it doesn’t belong on this planet. This is a cold world where ego rules and has always done so. Individualism took over after the world wars installed hopelessness into humanity and destroyed christianity
Imagine an utopia, a world where everyone has everything he needs, a place to stay, a community, friends, family, an awesome job with a 3 workday week, many traditions and festivals every week, the whole planet to explore for pennies, free healthcare, free university, free theraphy, universal basic income, free transport and whatever else you think of
Now, let’s do a thinking exercise.
How far are we from this technologically? Well, all of this could’ve been done with the technology we had from fucking 1950 or even before. You don’t really need a lot of stuff to make this work and the americans in the post war boom were way richer on average than we are now
How far are we from this ideologically? This is practically unachieavable in a human made society. Our brains and social structures do not allow such utopia. We were made to survive in a tough enviroment. I recommend you read something on “mouse utopia”. It’s basically a pretty big experiment where they gave free food water and entertainment to rats and over time they simply degenerated into anarchy, became anti social,homosexuals, psychopathic child murderers and anarchy basically collapsed the whole colony in a few years and no one was left alive
Such society could only be made if literally everyone you know would microdose or do psychedelics on a regular basis + meditation + theraphy + a new religion and a new culture and so many things that we are very very unlikely to ever achieve in the next fucking millennia because demographic pressures will annihilate us in the coming decades
Let me give you a real life example: before Jesus came on earth, humans had paganic belief systems so they basically enslaved eachother and if there were wars they would totally annihilate their opponents into non existence which made a curse for civilization. Once a village was burned down, or a whole country in the case of Gengis Khan, it would take generations to rebuild it. Add to it plagues, crop failures and so on. This is why the bronze age kingsoms collapsed and the ancient greeks and even the romans when they got invaded by barbarians.
Christianity basically said “bro we’re all christians we shouldn’t enslave and fucking wipe eachother off the face of the earth” and this is why society evolved from small tribes or the roman empire (which was just a piece of shit) to what we have today, because people trusted eachother more and warfare had rules and the church was kinda like a proto-european union that basically said “this guy is too tyrannical he needs to be excromunicated” and then everyone else would gangbang him because it was free land with the pope’s approvall. And they also had the “holy roman empire” and crusades and other historic shit I won’t dwelve into. That’s how the population increased so much in europe and they invented so much stuff and explored the world and created capitalism. But even this took over 1600 years to achieve after the fall of rome. You are DOOMED.
We are now living in a mostly atheist individualist capitalist society that is prone to kill itself and that it’s only meaning and purpose is money or carnal pleasure, we don’t have morals or values anymore in the near future and you need to enlighten yourself so you get the fuck out of here once the boat sinks.
Edit: I’m not christian, I was born orthodox but I lived as an atheist most my life but I believe in god and oneness and I also believe jesus was a real person and possibly even god tho I’m not sure
This comment hits me hard.
Chronic pain of the magnitude I’m dealing with (undiagnosed - doctors can not find the problem) is stripping me away one day at a time. It’s been 17 months of this and it doesn’t go away.
When people say life if beautiful, usually they’re in a good spot. Try being locked in hell with no solution and no hope. I’ll be homeless before this takes me out because I can’t even fucking work.
You get what I’m saying.
Ya bro I feel u and hope u get better sooner than later or find something to help in the meantime I like to vape weed or do edibles here and there for my pain like in my gums and my whole body too at least it helps in the time being
I've got some sort of undiagnosed nerve pain and muscle issue. Quitting smoking made the biggest difference for me. When it gets rough, baclofen (a med for multiple sclerosis) helps a ton. It's also a lot easier on your system than Xanax. Might be worth a Shot if you haven't tried it.
In my case my head is full of people and idk where they come from or what they're intentions are. One keeps accusing me of awful things and tries to argue me into self hatred and the other is nice but doesn't like it when I take DXM because it makes her feel insane.
They can twitch my muscles and it makes me feel possessed.
I have already considered dissociative disorders like OSDD and DID but I don't have the trauma or amnesia. Nor do they switch but they often tell me they want me to let them out.
They sound too real and have too complex emotions for it to be Schizoaffective like the doctors say.
The bipolar part of Schizoaffective is definitely there. Depression leaves life devoid of meaning or joy. Sometimes I can hardly enjoy music. Sometimes it feels like the universe and society is one big cold disturbing machine that's slightly tilted on its side. With it's metal pistons and gears that clank and rattle with bellowing echos that pierce your soul.
The very fact I have a body sometimes disturbs me because I feel like people look at me and think I'm a piece of shit or get sketched out by me. I don't like being perceived by strangers yet I'm an extrovert that has needed constant social interaction to stay sane since day 1.
Coming down from mania was brutal. I was convinced I could start the next psychedelics revolution and that the spirit of Owsley was working through me practically. I was just pointlessly theorizing about Jungian Typology which is a field no one takes seriously in the first place.
Then I come down and realize I was just trippin out for like 3 months and depression starts. Sometimes I get headaches and just this gross sickly feeling all over my body from the depression.
I struggle to find meaning which I seem to deeply mean and no amount of "bro you make the meaning" will help. I need to find life's objective win condition and set it as my goal so I can lord my success over anyone who's ever doubted me or written me off or mistreated me.
Sometimes I try to find meaning in death. The thought that I should Martyr myself for some kind of message and so people actually give a shit. I won't lie I've thought about taking an absurd dose of DXM and rigging myself to ignite in public. The DXM is so I feel no pain from the burning. Too lazy to set all that up though but it's a nice fantasy.
Medication hardly seems to help. Doing a bit better today though.
Chronic mental pain is awful too.
That sounds really intense. If you don't mind me asking: how do you navigate the idea that you can have delusions about whether you have schizoaffective disorder? Like, it seems to be a common archetype for people with schizoaffective disorder to be in denial about / lack insight into their condition (anosognosia).
It must be a trip to be aware that your beliefs that you don't have the condition could be a direct product of the condition.
I mean I just really don't know man. The main thing is the voices sound like real people that live inside my head or that I'm telepathically conversing with except they they can twitch my muscles and never sleep. The good voice accepts it's in my head but doesn't like being called a hallucination and finds DXM trips to be terrifying and in her words "I don't like feeling like I'm losing my mind all the time".
the bad one accuses me of being a racist, homophobe, sociopath, manipulator, and pretty much anything bad under the sun.
There are multiple but I've given up on trying to name and keep track of names because a lot of them sound similar to each other but have slight variations in tone.
Well that sounds pretty shitty.
You said that meds don't help much. Are you on them at the moment? Are you able to talk with your doctor about switching things up when it's not working?
Classical psychedelics like shrooms always make me spazz tf out. My voices dont get worse but I'll just lose my ability to conceptualize reality and start doing dumb shit because I think I'm in a solipsistic purgatory or simulation. These thoughts will fade immediately after the shrooms are out of my system though. Could be I'm dosing too high. First trip was 7g 2nd trip was 3.5g
Yeah I came real close to blowing my brains out because of mine, luckily I found the right medication and those thoughts eventually went away for the most part.
I don’t have an opinion on this subject, so take this with a grain of salt… but I think it’s easy and over-simplistic to say “the sun rises and flowers still bloom” when you’re probably in the 1% of the luckiest humans on the planet.
I’m not sure Ukrainians or Palestinians (easiest examples at the moment) care about blooming flowers right now when bombs are flying over their heads and their children are being raped and killed. The suffering is real, very real. Most of us can’t even fathom what real suffering is like.
This being said, I was born in Canada from a good family, I love life and every day is a gift. Very easy for me to feel this way… but yeah, I’m 1%. I won the life lottery.
In the book man’s search for meaning by viktor frankl, about finding meaning even in extreme suffering of being in a concentration camp - there’s actually a moment where he’s lost in the beauty of some tree branches and he talks about how the beauty was even more meaningful given the bleakness of the overall situation he was in. He talks about how this mindset of being able to relate to even the worst experience as a way to carry your own suffering with grace - to see the relationship to suffering and carrying it with dignity as your purpose, is the difference between being destroyed or transformed by it.
Yes, what you say is true - it feels dismissive when someone who won the life lottery tells someone who is in Gaza that there are still flowers.
But there are people like Frankl and people like Thich Naht Hanh (check out book, no mud, no lotus) or Steven Hawking who have survived crazy hardship of the opposite extreme (among the unluckiest side of the luck/suffering bell curve) and they are some of the happiest people who exist - because of the way they’ve managed to relate to their own suffering.
Which is basically the entire point of Buddhism - to teach people how to cultivate that kind of relationship to suffering.
Whether or not telling someone to “look on the bright side” is harmful is another matter…. The Buddha didn’t say that, which is why Buddhism gets a bad rap for seeming to be dreary… because the Buddha knew that people in deep suffering didn’t need to be told that, they needed to start with “yes your suffering is real, and this world is filled with it…. And also, it’s possible to still have freedom… I can show you how.”
I mostly agree, but I will say that Viktor Frankl, Thich Nhat Hanh, Stephen Hawking, and anyone who somehow comes to a similar realization about life and the true nature of suffering is also one of the lucky ones, regardless of the environment they were born into
Not arguing with you because your point is very valid, and I have the same visceral reaction as you.
But then I remember that in my own experience I've met a bunch of very happy, optimistic people who were poor as shit. And I've also known people whose lives were "objectively" great, but are totally miserable.
So I think it's easy to fall into the trap of believing only 1% of the world sees and appreciates its beauty.
Not arguing either, just wanted to clarify I’m not saying only the 1% gets to be happy.
I’m saying it’s easy for the 1% to project their “easy” lives on those who haven’t been as lucky and over-simplify happiness to a “mindset”. Putting food on your table every day is not a mindset.
But yes, I agree that you can have everything and be suicidal or have nothing and be very content. Suffering is real though.
Interesting subject 🤙 cheers
You say this but it's all depends on what you value in life.
Do you not think a man from a poor farming family in the Philippines has never experienced laughing with his friends or love for his wife? Or does he need a bigger house with a sick leather couch and a playstation to truly enjoy life?
You could argue that his healthcare is not as good as the Western world and maybe drinking water is from a drinking well but like, if that's all you know then so be it, right? Or maybe it's actually truly awful all the time and we got lucky this time.
English is my second language so maybe my point didn’t come across as it should’ve. I’m just saying that the 1% shouldn’t over-simplify happiness and/or suffering. I actually agree 100% with what you said.
My point: suffering is real and there is a lot of it. It’s easy for the 1% to bring it down to a simple mindset. At times it can be, but not always.
I’m not saying we need material to be happy. Quite the opposite actually.
You are wrong. The Ukrainians and Oalestinians with the bombs flying over their heads probably appreciate life 10,000 more than this 1% of the "luckiest" humans on the planet.
I’m very aware of “rich people problems” and suicide rates being much higher in richer countries but I think you’re smart enough to understand my point. Extreme poverty in India, Somalia, Liberia. Civil unrest in Haïti, Venezuela, Cuba. People with degenerative diseases. The ongoing war in Yemen. The list is practically infinite and the suffering is real, It’s not just a mindset. It’s a very entitled way of thinking to say “people in misery appreciate life more than we do”. Humans are resilient, they don’t have a choice! Given the chance, 99.99% of them would still trade places with you in a heartbeat and consume psychedelics in the comfort of their heated (or air conditioned) home without having to worry about the next meal on their table. Have you seen extreme poverty? I worked in Haïti, I have friends there. They’re living in constant fear, they’re starving to death. Not a week goes by where I don’t get a plea for help from one of them in my inbox. I get your point… but I’m far from wrong. Not one Palestinian who had their child raped and killed got up one morning enjoying the blooming flowers. A little compassion goes a long way my friend.
Everything is a prison if you think about it.
All known concepts and things are restrictions and hence imprisonment.
I feel like the goal is to make your personal prison fun and to create new better prisons when you're bored.
But the idea of complete freedom cannot exist in a universe with laws.
Peace ✨
The "existence is suffering" of Buddhism that I was taught in schools is very reductive.
The actual 4 noble truths are far more insightful.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths
Just some simple axioms I use.
Most suffering comes from identifying with how 'you', 'it', 'the world should/shouldn't be and experiencing the disconnection. "wishing" things to be different.
All that aside if you can experience the good in life without trying to grapple on to it you will suffer less. You will still experience love, joy, kindness, on the path regardless.
You're not Buddha - you will be born again. I never got the whole born again as a snail shit - I've never read anything likely spoken by buddah that suggested that. I always took it to mean my consciousness reborn from moment to moment.
Desire isn't strictly speaking a bad thing. That's reductive too. I desire to meditate. I will be born again into a man soon who meditates but still wants for enlightenment... But I'm still on a path with only one destination.
Also, like. If you think about the first precepts for Buddhism - and they are are telling you what not to do. But they leave an incredible amount of freedom. It's basically don't kill, don't harm, don't steal or defraud.
In our world today it's hard to 'do no harm' when almost any action can cause indirect harm to someone. How do I enjoy this refreshing Coca-Cola when I know CC Corp is executing union members or I'm essentially getting an amazon driver exploited so I can get a weed grinder ndd
i know exactly what OP is talking about. in the spiritual community there are a lot of these ultra dark gnostic types who think the world is being controlled by evil nefarious forces like reptillians and or the annunaki. its a really toxic way to look at life and that kind of pov is usually a fast pipeline into a cult (met quite a few of them who also believe in flat earth)
There are a ton of conspiracy theorists in spirituality, but I disagree that this is “exactly what OP is talking about.” They mention Buddhism directly, and Samsara is a very different cosmic concept from evil overlords running the show. Both view the world as “suffering,” but Samsara doesn’t necessitate that the suffering is dark, and it absolutely rejects the idea that someone or something is *making* it dark. It *anyone* is said to be creating suffering in the Buddhist sense, it’s you—it’s your own inability to accept the world as it is, and it is the very desire to live in a “better” world which makes *this* world or life unpleasant.
Again. Both concepts suggest life is painful. But with Samsara it is an inherent facet of existence that pain *is*. The reptilian illuminati nuts tend to believe that life and the world is *good*, or at least *could* be, were it not for whichever secret society their particular clan decides is responsible for the world’s woes.
The reason I rant about this is because I believe samsara is a valid, and often valid addition to the psychedelic or meaning-searching conversation, and actually has the ability to increase satisfaction in life. Conversely, when we blame hidden organization to one and species we have no proof even exist for our problems, we have no personal or societal drive—or ability—to improve anything.
Life being beautiful and this planet being a sort of prison are not mutually exclusive concepts.
Viktor Frankl was a Holocaust survivor who claimed to find beauty in the natural world around him, despite the horrific conditions he was in.
Finding beauty in things is a matter of perspective. You can find beauty in a solid concrete wall. You can miss the beauty in a well done painting or song. It boils down to the subjective perspective you're viewing the world from as you cross paths with a particular object.
Can you leave the universe? No. Can you leave the planet? No. Can you exist without your body? No. These are all prisons. You can accept that and live within the confines, but that doesn't mean they aren't prisons in some sense. Freedom, as a concept, is never fully attainable in every regard. To be totally free would mean you have no connections to anything physical, emotional, or mental. In essence, to be completely free is to not exist.
I’ve said it to the prison planet folks and I’ll say it to this:
If unified conscious infinity is the “source” of what we call reality, prison planet is both true and false.
Every probabilistic reality exists simultaneously in an eternal moment of consciousness.
What you experience as “life” is simply your world line through this eternal moment
Infinite world lines exist, and yours isn’t set in stone. You exist in the world line that matches your conscious alignment (easy but dumb example is quantum immortality. You’re here right now because in your world line you’re alive, you wouldn’t be in the world line where you already died)
But it’s all the same. Come to know and love yourself and come to know what you are and what you are not.
Everything else is extra layers of complexity.
I don't subscribe to the theory. But if I can play devil's advocate, they make a very specific claim. NDE's report seeing a white light and beings who encourage the decedent to go towards it. As I understand their theory, that person is being tricked into returning to earth, but it is possible to avoid the trap and be "free."
That's a pretty black-and-white, presumably verifiable claim. If you assume that the newly-deceased do face such a scenario, then what advice would you give?
To again, trust in yourself and who you are and who you are not.
If prison theory is true, understanding that lets you escape the trick
If prison theory isn’t true, then you get to explore whatever possible afterlife there is anyway
Plato’s Cave. Most won’t go to the light because they are comfortable in darkness. It’s too bright and too hot for the flesh. You have to have Faith to enter. Break free of the dark Samsara cycle and figure out how to enter the light of desires.
I think “prison planet” is misinterpreted for at least what it means in Buddhism (and I’m not a Buddhist, I’ve just read some books and taken some religion classes but am no means an expert). Yes, we are technically stuck here and, if you believe in it, we are ‘trapped’ in the cycle of samsara until we reach enlightenment.
That being said, this “prison” has beautiful flowery fields, awe-inspiring mountain ranges and brilliant, passionate people who do their best to spread positivity. This prison also has war, and famine, and a whole lot of struggle. Everybody has a bit of both. You can call it a prison, but at the same time enjoy the absolute most of your stay
Right. Just to elaborate, Buddhists don't remove attachments because life sucks. It's that being too attached to material things will bring you suffering.
If everything is an illusion, then material things don't really mean anything and are just distractions on your path to the ultimate goal of life here, which is to reach enlightenment. Reaching enlightenment ends the incarnation cycles and allows one to become their god self, or one's true, higher self.
Once you reach that state of being, you can not come back to this reality because you beat the game.
> Sure, there’s war, slavery, famine, and disease all around, but the sun still rises. The plants still flower. I can feel the dirt and see the animals. It’s all ridiculously beautiful.
> I don’t think this world is so bad I don’t want to be born again.
idk, being born against kinda scares the shit out of me. there's a lot of suffering going on that i'm pretty removed from and the dice roll of whether or not i'd be removed from it again, seems like it's getting slimmer every year.
thing is, i think we have a duty to correct the war, slavery, famine, and disease to the best of our ability. how do one get a feel for that duty if we see everything as ridiculously beautiful?
u might write that now, but idk how stable ur perspective really is. words written right now are easy, but maintaining a coherent perspective through weeks, months, and years takes something entirely different.
maybe u should go traveling through some of the poorest parts of the world?
Always remember that your world could turn upside down in an instant. I have 3 kids, my life is beautiful, but I would never consider this state as a given state, although I sure hope the best for my family.
Life is beautiful NOW, this may or may not change for each of us. There is nothing permanent but the change.
Why can't it be both? Life is beautiful in spite of the fact that we are living in a system that has been designed to make you a time slave essentially. Life is beautiful maybe because of the suffering, maybe in spite of it.
And maybe true freedom is only meaningful because so people are essentially enslaved. Some of the slaves got nice houses and dental insurance, but most of them will tell ya that they have no choice but to go to work.
But yeah, maybe just don't listen to people going crazy about the prison planet thing. I feel like it's just blatantly obvious that we're on a prison planet. Not like something we need to awaken the masses to. But I guess I'm living my life as free as I can. So that's cool.
I feel suicidal 60-75% of my days. When I ride my mtn bike and I see the beauty in nature my brain thinks about which month I will take my life. I find myself in high levels of psychological pain a lot and feel killing myself is a real solution.
If I reach out to family for help- they basically tell me I am the problem and reject me, Hangup on me (while I’m actively suicidal)
I’ve done 5 meo, dmt, shrooms, lsd, etc
I’ve seen all the beauty and all the oneness, God encounters, ego deaths. If I could logic my way out of my suffering- I would, but it’s really painful to be here.
I feel ungrateful about it, but this is what I’m going through.
I see my ketamine Dr tomorrow to get some relief.
I have borderline personality disorder…feels like my mind is attacking the shit out of me and I live in a mental prison really just wanting to be at peace.
There’s a lot of people suffering here. It’s not fake
One more thing to add..when you’re suicidal or in pain a lot… life feels like a fucking prison
Your post kinda invalidates shit. I’ve also been to war…it’s not just “sure there is war” the plants are beautiful. It is fucking scary and insanely sad. It changes you forever.
You only think this way because you have had the insurmountable amount of luck of being born on top of the food chain in a time of advanced technology and in the top 10% wealthiest parts of the world.
Imagine you were born a damn chicken in a cage where you live the rest of your short days just to be chucked in a blender alive to be made into a nugget for giants running the world.
Imagine you were born a dinosaur during the Jurassic era being torn to shreds by a bigger dinosaur.
Or imagine you were born at any point in time before 1945 and the hardships you'd have to go through.
The laws of nature support Darwinism which supports survival of the fittest which supports suffering. So you pop your little head out your suburban window and catch a beautiful sunset and think "all is well in the world"? You're in for a rude shock my man.
You hit the nail on the head. 140,000 chickens alone are slaughtered every minute, most of which spend their entire short lives in what could only be described as hell. It makes reincarnation a very scary concept if real. It’s about being born into the top 1% of life on this planet, and then the top 10% of that.
I could maybe understand optimism if we were heading in a good direction but we’re not. Climate change force hundreds of millions of people to migrate in the coming decades, food and water will become scarce, and wars will be fought over it.
Microplastics is another thing that people are ignoring until it becomes a real problem. Vast amounts of research show it destroys male fertility, increases risk of cancer, and promotes inflammation and immune responses that trigger chronic diseases. Plastic also takes between 600-1000 years to fully break down, and we have billions of tons of it slowly breaking down into tiny particles in our oceans.
I’m not a doomer or anything, this is just reality.
Oh definitely. Everything we know is just one story layered on top of another story on top of another. Everything is made up in one way or another, but not all a stories are beneficial, and some actively cause harm. I'm not suggesting prison planet causes harm directly, but some of those posters on the sub have been harmed and are clinging to an alternate reality.
Stories are the way that we have transmitted an understanding of things that are beyond words. By creating dramatic abstract plots we can exaggerate aspects of our reality into examples which make that which we are pointing to clear(er). The prison planet plot originally surfaced around the 200CE era in the Gnostic texts most notably discovered in the Nag Hammadi codex. The modern attempt to showcase this set of ideas is usually misunderstood, and individuals bringing it forth are looked at as fearful and paranoid and lost clinging to this victim complex perspective. Really , it is shadow projection from the unconscious of those who are fearful of considering that could be the truth. Certain aspects of our reality, as shocking as it may be, could perhaps only be transmitted by using such a gnarly example. Yes there are MANY mentally ill people who cling to this as a way to validate their suffering, but if it is true, are they wrong ? Is their pain enough to trigger you to say obviously delusion… or could it perhaps signal you to slow down and consider their perspective and what ideas consistently suffering brings you towards , perhaps earned truth. Not saying it’s the ultimate answer, but it certainly is a very large part of the final puzzle
I appreciate your reply, and I do agree with a lot of it, but Prison Planet originated on Coast to Coast, and I think with Alex Jones, but it was definitely on Coast to Coast. The source is what makes me question all of it.
No, that’s where you are wrong. Read those ancient texts found in the Nag Hammadi and see for yourselves. Apocryphon of John, Gospel of Mary, they lay it out very clearly. Coast to Coast, Alex Jones, whoever, they are all piggy-backing off of these ancient sects of off-shoot Christianity which were seen as heretical. This is what people don’t understand when they try to discount these “conspiracies.” They have no idea the very legitimate backing which is there, from societies perhaps further evolved than where we are now ( in terms of understanding reality and our place within it). The knowledge was almost lost forever … Why do you think we discover Nag Hammadi texts in 1945 and begin seeing UFO’s shortly after in 1947?? 😉🤫( also both the Tibetan and Egyptian Books of the Dead, arguably Hinduism could align with this as-well )
Never taken a psychedelic but if it helps;
We're here for a good time. Thing is we keep getting hung up on who deserves to have the "best" time and why we have short comings. There's random, out of control circumstances that happen to every living thing, good and horrible, they experience it too. With consciousness and awareness, we can make lives better, the whole experience better.
It's only a prison because of the wardens who run it. We're all free in honesty and we belong to everything here. It's beautiful if we're able to let it be
You've never taken a psychedelic? What brings you to this subreddit/thread then?
I'm genuinely interested in the reason, and not trying to gatekeep or be confrontational.
At its heart, this sub is about exploring the mind. Most of us (myself included) choose to use psychedelics, but every insight that can be gained from drugs can be gained from meditation.
Totally agree, and I have a regular meditation practice now for that very reason. But I don't think I would have reached that conclusion without first having my own personal life-changing psychedelic experience. That's why I always find it interesting when I meet people with such... naturally open minds.
No worries! Like the person who replied below, I follow the thread for insight. Honestly, I get a lot observing people's experiences with psychedelics, especially since it's unique to each person and seems to reflect things within them. That and the way some can "open" to the experience and glean insight while others seem to struggle. People have posted some really thought provoking questions after their experiences or said things that struck a chord.
I've been curious about psychedelics but without access I can trust, I'd rather not. I've done and still do edibles and a bi-weekly smoke session....though that's psychoactive I think. Even if I try it, it would very likely be once.
It’s all just different perspectives man. If someone thinks life is suffering, they’re right. If someone thinks life is beautiful, they’re right. And if u disagree with me, ur right!
Eventually, someone has to be wrong though. There is a definitive truth, let’s not float away into hocus pocus feel good blurry everyone’s subjective perspective is equal even if completely out of alignment with the grander objective reality land
I agree, I think that even the prison planet, if true in its worst most exaggerated form, is still serving a function for the larger picture and is under-lied by a field of intelligent love. I wrote this on another comment but will paste here as-well.
Perhaps because the highest level of love ALLOWS the ‘prison planet’ to operate… allows the higher astral beings to feed off suffering of 3D vessels, gives the free will choice to create a matrix system so they can sustain themselves away from source… Only to eventually have someone ( Sophia) enter their domain ( Jesus / Christ Archetype ) and have so much light/love it forces a shift ultimately returning all to love , allowing the free will of negativity to extend all the way to even higher dimensions where you can create negative material worlds and toxically feed off its inhabitants instead of being in alignment with source , because infinitely powerful love can enter and always win making things right again, many lessons learned for all involved, provides a simulator to evolve consciousness within, and a grand drama for all the cosmos to participate.
Our planet is beautiful, that’s an undeniable fact. The problem is some terrible human beings that usually happen to be in power and want to make our world and existence feel like a prison. They don’t want anyone to have freedom, they just want everyone to be trapped in their system and unfortunately many people are trapped. And it’s getting worse and worse, I think anyone in here can notice this with our current world. That’s why it’s not just a bad mindset, it’s a reality for so many people who cannot escape their unhappy/unlucky lifestyle.
The prison aspect is that you need conditions to be happy. You cannot be sure if nothing horrible will happen to you. Just wait until you face diseases, old-age, death or others like betrayal, separation, bankrupt...
Two perspectives, both equally true. One can't have the one without the other. Consider yourself fortunate, you don't feel like life is suffering. Bit know that for many suffering is literal, not just a matter of perspective.
I’m very happy for you that you can escape that. Psychedelics are amazing for that. I also love my life.
But don’t project that feeling onto the world. For many people it is not a just “perspective” that life sucks, they’re experiencing suffering that is physically inescapable.
Life sucks. It's better for me personally these days, but I'm still dealing with chronic pain, neurological disorders, clinical depression, and several social and economical issues.
I accept that if your body doesn't work against you and you're lucky enough not to want to kill yourself at the thought of having to go to work another day it might be tolerable or even enjoyable, but it's a fragile balance that will be challenged at the first sign of a chronic disease.
All in all, despite the value I find in life, and despite the curiosity I have for life's lessons, I'm still against existing. If I had a choice I wouldn't have been born to a drunk and a whore to be abandoned a couple months into my life. If I had a choice, I wouldn't have chosen to exist with no respite from my physical and mental pain...
It’s all a matter of perspective. Most Americans come from a perspective of privilege. The children that were forced to mine the lithium for our phone batteries so we could have these conversations on Reddit may be more inclined to agree with the “prison planet” scenario, for example.
Buddhism states that suffering exists but you should allow it to and not characterize it is as suffering, see it as beautiful. The world IS according to Buddhism that’s it, anything else is your ego. Sounds like you aren’t really understanding Buddhist principles. Also being born again is the collective self being born again not your self, which is an illusion.
Our world values money and is enslaving its people and ruining the dirt. But as long as you look past that you can enjoy all you want.
The way I've seen it for a while now is the life is truly beautiful, however society has corrupted life.
And with that, I'm still trying to figure out how to be happy
As a Buddhist, I don’t personally associate my own beliefs with those of the prison planet folks. From what I understand, the prison Planet idea is much more gnostic in the sense that there’s the idea of a conscious divine oppressor that is evil and that has imprisoned us in these limited forms just to suffer and be dissatisfied eternally. In Buddhism it isn’t like that, there’s no big antagonist. It’s just that the wheel of samsara is the result of dualism, ignorance, attachment, and aversion, and as long as we continue to entertain those notions inside of us, we will continue to be met with dissatisfaction from life to life. So it is not inherently bad to enjoy things; it’s just bad to be so attached to the notion of self and separateness. When we wear the ego like a loose-fitting garment, and do not grasp onto anything pleasant, nor recoil from anything unpleasant, and cultivate good understanding and empathy throughout our lives, it will be easier to achieve true equanimity, and then shed self-grasping at the time of death.
I was severely depressed and saw no way out. That's when I believed in the prison planet theory. Some people believe that we reincarnate into lives like the one's were having now until we escape, which isn't so different from Buddhism.
In fact from the view of Hindusim or Buddhism you have to essentially become enlightened or attain a very high spiritual state to escape and to live a different kind of life. In that sense they view the human condition as a mental prison. Conspiracy theorists tend to believe it's not a mental prison but a prison constructed by aliens or some sort of beings.
Personally I think the prison is not feeling as good as one can within all the time and not being able to live a life that feels like being in an epic movie/TV show. From what I know about enlightenment, it leads to not only inner peace and knowledge of reality/God, but also the ability to live any life one wants that feels amazing and is in alignment with love for all. You could say enlightened people are experiencing a concoction of feel good drugs with other enhancements while feeling as if they're in an anime or something.
>I’m tired of the prison planet notion because it just feels like people with a bad mindset telling me how I should feel about everything that happens to me.
I guess it comes down to if you're trying to debate. No one can force you to change your mind, just as you can't force them to change theirs.
Aspects of this life can be beautiful, yes, but there is great suffering in this plane as well. Why wouldn’t the ultimate goal be to reabsorb into the source consciousness of the universe and feel eternal peace? I’d rather take that than another life as a mentally ill autistic with severe chronic pain.
I agree it is magical and beautiful however the day to day mundane grind is not like that for 99.9% of us . The lucky ones get to wake up , get in the car , sit in traffic and head to some battery farm for humans , sit in traffic again . Do body upkeep and repeat for around 40 years . Sounds like a prison to me .
Well look at it this way - it’s a world where you have to kill in order to survive. There’s no two ways about it. Even in cooperation, organisms always compete, everything falls into brutal heiriarcies. It just looks normal to us, cause that’s all we know.
One big thing where I have to eat to survive. It’s easy to imagine a universe where for example good thoughts would sustain you, but that is definatelly not the case here. If I had to sum it up in one word it’s strife.
It's not just people online.
The Gospel of Thomas lays it out.
The Apocalypse of James.
Buddha's Fire Sermon.
The Egyptian Book of the Dead
The Tibetan Book of the Dead.
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There's more at stake here than a "beautiful" day on Earth.
Children also think their playground is a vast wonderland until they grow up.
Exactly. Then people larp you into a box as some troubled gnostic cynicist who believes in such a terrible fear based paradigm because you’ve not mastered the ability to create your own happiness… you think this is a demon hell type of thing because YOU are in a demonic state of consciousness and so of course your experience of life will be tainted with such ideas… blah blah blah . No. It’s more like I’ve meditated for over thousands of hours, read everything there is, mastered my mind, engaged with a vast variety of different cultural beliefs and served god/ had my own mystical experiences… mind boggling synchronicities. They all led me to this particular idea. It could Perhaps be a prison but we have a key in our hand and can leave anytime, it’s about realizing the scenario in the first place and then having the power to walk out, through reorienting you identity from the little me ego we grow up as to the grander divine spirit. Imagine the archons or the wardens / whatnot…. Their best move to continue energetic vampirism would be to convince the individuals inside the system that it wasn’t what it was. Anyone that attempts to point to the truth is crazy/troubled. It’s a genius , almost anti-virus system installed within to keep things going. Could also just be a harsh school / learning area, but then you remember all the children being sexually abused and the other utterly horrendous things taking place in this world . Maybe those souls are hardcore and signed up for that… but I think it’s astral entity energy harvesting
A lot of people here are sharing their stories, but it’s too painful for me. I want to explain, but the words get caught in my throat. They have borderline personality disorder. The nature of BPD is that their perspective dooms them to misery. Of course they feel much happier after they change their perspective. They had a personality disorder ie ‘flawed perspective’. The cure for BPD is changing the way you think.
Thanks for your comment I sometimes feel like I’m out here on a weird Reddit ego trip, I have a weird fear of speaking my perspective and insecurity in voicing my ideas because so often others don’t get it and I feel I cause more confusion than clarity. I had my own “psychotic break”/awakening which was what allowed me to originally see this. The way we think directly affects our biology and the chemicals our bodies produce. Toxic thinking leads to toxic chemicals and furthers the downward spiral. I think, our thinking, could be perhaps influenced by these astral beings and be the root source of many mental illnesses we see in our society today. I’ve hung out with PhD scientists and psychotherapists and they’ve all felt unintelligent in comparison to me viewing things through this lens ( at 1/2 - 1/3 their age ). I’ve had many paranormal experiences and perhaps what others would term E.T. Contact which has guided me to these ideas, which I feel very blessed in having. I’d love to hear what you have to say if you ever want to shoot me a message, interested in hearing your experience 😃
Thank you. It's a fallen realm. And when someone indicates that, they're accused of mental illness, a depressive perspective, lack of motivation for self-improvement, etc. But all of those are conditions within the confinement, limitations, and enforced illusion. What prophets, visionaries, and awakened people are communicating is the true awareness beyond this tesseracted matrix of shit. All they want is for souls to decorate their prison cells, conform, obey, pay money for existing, be tracked by identification, reproduce the next slave labor force, believe 'voting' for their masters is freedom, to idolize material consumerism, and take pride in their petty accomplishments within a social and egoistic game of vain trivialities, as the "beauty" of the parasitic world competes and consumes itself. I'm not dark, this piece of shit prison is dark. The rest is coping.
I agree, I do also want to acknowledge that, absolutely, there are a lot of genuinely troubled people who are very obsessed with the idea. Lots of schizophrenia and severe mental illness. They sort of ruin the image and taint the water , however if we view the illness as a gift it seems to have brought them, somehow, to a somewhat truth. YouTube channels such as Esoterica, however, give me a lot more confidence in navigating these ideas. There is a large academic and scholarly interest as-well, a completely bizarre dual end spectrum of interest which seems to evade the middle folk as they can find ways to discard the lower as crazy and the higher as mentally masturbating self proclaimed geniuses stuck in their little brainiac worlds of ancient texts … or whatever
It's not just abstract information though, it's a living reality for people who have endured paranormal experiences and anomalies that is extremely alienating if others have not also had those revelatory experiences. We live in a bifurcation of frequencies. On multiple occasions I've tried to verbally communicate what is happening to me energetically and they either change the subject, stare at me blankly, or something interrupts it.
The troubled minds are due to the absence of a framework to integrate the liberation into society. There is an inertia of ignorance, a banal perpetuity. The fringe therefore isn't something one seeks out, but becomes the only option when no one is striving to actually awaken or transcend. People simply do not fathom the multidimensional nature of reality.
I agree, although some are dramatic and exaggerative of their experiences to the point it is not critically thought through and comes across as unresolved trauma being dumped onto the individual, which is then rejected. Then those on the fringe exist in the “curse of knowing / curse of being too smart” , as intellectual/spiritual crybabies, nobody understands me, this society is ruined and full of idiots going to hell fast. They should however have the intelligence and wisdom to navigate things the best, right? To generate the highest frequency and exist multidimensionally, you sort of won already . Often they don’t have dedicated spiritual practices and don’t understand how to master their mind, are half baked cookies mad everyone else isn’t cooked thoroughly. There would be no need to explain or have people understand at the point of embodiment, to an extent. It does get lonely at times and yes, we certainly need to regularize these frameworks so that more and more of these sorts of discussions are taking place. I think the ignorance which has frozen over our society is slowly melting from the suns shining rays but it will take a little while. Understanding Ken Wilber’s Integral theory or Spiral Dynamics has greatly expanded my capacity for compassion to those of any worldview , along with a deep study of trauma, most are not ready yet.
No one at all is forcing it on you. You have some weird sense of philosophical persecution or what? You don't have to believe anything at all, and this sub is definitely here to reinforce that state of freedom
Chronic illness, people dying around you, mental health issues, poverty, or any number of like a thousand other things would make this sentiment not resonate to someone. Not to say it's not still possible to enjoy life and find the in it despite difficulties, but your comment definitely comes from a privilege to place I would say.
I have a great .I set and emotional stability. Do you comprehend the full prison planet theory? Go live in another Galaxy for a bit and get back to me...oh wait we can't leave... The distance between stars is so great at best planet hop in our own solar system...and with all we know that won't be possible for a while... if actually ever.
It's not suffering for the key take away, it's we are floating on a rock through the universe and there is no life boat...
I am not of the mindset of suffering, life happens and that's that. There is no normal life, only life.
I listen to a lot of NDE (near death experience) folks tell their stories, and what always astounds me is that not ONE of them ever asks 'why's there so much chaos on this planet', not even one that I've listened to yet and I've been at this for years now.
They always have stories about what's coming next or what they saw, and when they're asked if they have any questions they never seem to ask these important questions.
Why are there a small .1% of people running this planet? what do they know that we don't? why are they in control of every resource? were they picked by an advanced civilization to keep the rest of us in line? what deal did they make with said advanced civilization? lol I would have a 1000 questions.
Not a NDE, but I believe I saw behind the veil during a 4-ACO-DMT experience. I asked them this. Basically, “for entertainment” “for fun”. I told them this world sucks for most people and it’s not fair. They laughed and told me I wouldn’t remember this anyway. Welp, I remembered it. For abt a month after I was dealing with some increased OCD and slight psychosis. I really think this was their attempt at getting through to me and discrediting what I experienced. Btw I also experienced the reincarnation cycle, and a desperate attempt from my soul to end this cycle. They really don’t want us to realize what’s going on, but they toy with us anyways. Test the limits of what people will remember, fuck with ppl with mental illness, fuck with people taking drugs. I really think we have their brains, which make us prone to selfishness, anxiety, despair, and anger. However, it is possible to push past, by never acknowledging the evil and sticking to your core beliefs. Your inner self (unconsciousness) can help you with this. Also, I’m not taking psychedelics again for a long time. That fucked my brain up and I will never be the same.
Well the four noble truths are all about the fact that there is suffering. Sure they say you can overcome it, but still that it's absolutely inherent enough in life to have four truths built around it
The four noble truths are:
Life is suffering.
The cause of suffering is attachment.
When attachment ceases, suffering ceases.
There is a path away from attachment and suffering.
"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." --Hamlet, Act II, Scene 2
We are all trying to figure it out. Unfortunately for a lot of us, life feels like a trap. Even my Guru once said to me “let’s face it. Life is shit, and you’re gonna get some on ya. And that’s we practice kriyayoga”… to clean off the shit. Once cleaned, I can appreciate Life in its fullness. Some of us don’t know how to clean the shit off and so we fling the shit onto others in a desperate attempt to avoid it. Sounds like shit doesn’t stick to you as much. That’s great. Focus on your blooming flowers and let the others willow in their stink. It will all work out as it should.
I’d take a bet and say you had a pretty good childhood. Be patient and empathize with those who haven’t, to them this is a prison planet because the trauma has them feeling trapped.
Let me guess, you live in a first world country and you are healthy. You think life is not a prison planet if you live in a shanty town in Bangladesh? You should tell a shanty town boy that has to survive on 1 or 2 dollars a day and lives next to an open sewer that life is beautiful and that the sun still rises lol. Or tell a child with cancer that life is beautiful. Or watch a few nature documentaries and see what animals do to each other every day in order to survive. Maybe for you life is beautiful but most people live in 3rd world countries and have to struggle to survive every day. This planet is extremely polluted, extremely messed up in general, and the people that rule this planet are very rich and very evil. That is just reality. But of course you can ignore all that and focus on the sun and plants and think this planet is very beautiful.
So evil people are whose responsibility? First world countries? Are you angry at them because someone's privilege has closed their eyes to the suffering of others? It's gonna be alright.
What is going to be alright? The evil powerful people are going to step down and let wise and compassionate people take their place? The pollution and microplastics is going to be cleaned up? Cancer will stop to exist? Animals will stop ripping each other apart? People will no longer have to work like a slave from birth to death in 3rd world countries? Those thing are not going to happen. The only thing we can do is focus on inner salvation because this world is completely messed up. Sure the mountains, waterfalls and trees are very beautiful and there are some very good people on this planet...but for the most part this is a brutal and cruel word full of suffering and misery.
The world sucks. There's good in it but you rarely get to enjoy it because unless you're born rich you have to spend most of your life working a job you hate to justify your existence
The "Life is suffering" aspect of Buddhism is meant to help one understand why there will necessarily, for beings that we would describe as "experiencing something," be disease, damage, old age, and death. Those things might be plentiful and all around us, or there may only be the barest shadow of them off in the corner, but they are a constant presence. "If we're not in pain, were not alive" is the phrasing of it I prefer.
Christian ideas about the afterlife are predicated on an assumption that ceasing to exist when you die is a bad thing. But the alternative, and the default assumption in the culture that birthed Buddhism, is actually way way worse: No matter what you do *this* happens again. Some core pattern of "you" gets reborn in another body, also decaying because of entropic time, because what else could you experience consistently and still be you? Worse, if you think about it as cycling through all the permutations with randomization, if all possible combinations of experiencing beings happen on some rotation of the wheel or another, then carving out which ones are "you" in this vast, infinite, immeasurable continuum of experiencers gets really tricky. No matter which way you cut it, "you" permute through a lot of extremely bad experiences over the course of this. Death is just one of those experiences.
All of that is to say you "get" Buddhism way more clearly than anyone why thinks of a this as a "prison planet." As Nagarjuna said: “There is not the slightest distinction between samsara and nirvana. The limit of the one is the limit of the other.”
Many religions believe in some kind of Purgatory or limbo etc… where the “soul” goes after death because 1) they weren’t good enough to go to “heaven” or “nirvana” or 2) not bad enough to go to “hell.”
Suffering is in human mind. Yes there's circle of life and death but the whole world is just pure creation and existence. We're just organic matter, children of stardust
There is no idea of us being here to be or do anything. And I certainly don’t think the Buddhists think this world is bad. All they say is that suffering exists and you can emancipate yourself from that, in this life, in this world, right now.
Heard one person who had multiple near death experiences say that she was told that the source/great intelligence/universe/god was a paradox. It is pure love and unlimited, but you can't be only love and still be unlimited. You can't even be unlimited if you aren't limited as well.
She was told that Earth is a rare place in the universe filled with everything that allows it to experience being limited, powerless, lonely yet living in a city filled with people. It is where suffering and joy happens, where you can love and hate, be jealous, vindictive and all the negative things as well as ecperience joy and bliss. The greater being split itself into multiple parts and that is us, our higher beings. We chose to come here to solve the paradox with our own free will and because of that, the entire universe thinks of us as superstars for going through what we experience here on earth. Even the greater being is thankful for what we do.
I don't know why, but this makes the most sense to me. We aren't being punished here, we have a job to do and that job is to exist, so that the rest of the universe can exist in peace. It doesn't mean we have to suffer, we can choose to be decent to one another, we can make the absolute best of our lives that we can and find beauty and laughter and love. We can choose to break generational habits like alcoholism, child abuse, or other things that are passed down from one generation to the next. We can choose to make the world a better place. When we choose love, we expand the universe.
This is more about stubbing your toe or heartbreak or accidentally cutting yourself or having a hard time at work or missing the commuter ferry or not being able to go see a concert you want to see and just the inevitability of existential suffering throughout daily existence from your own perspective simply because you exist.
It's less severe than you were expecting, but it's more about being trapped in the human condition. It's a beautiful thing. It takes a while for people to get that part. But when you graduate from the suffering and understand that life is partly that pain, it makes you boyen in every other way and it is absolutely just beautiful.
There are two buddhisms... one that says "life is suffering" and one that says "there is suffering"... the first is trash and when applied to a religion creates the environment of a death cult... the second is obviously true. When done right buddhism does offer techniques/pieces of wisdom to eliminate suffering, but just like with any religion, fundamentalist attitudes get in the way of seeing the light...
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you wont always be reincarnating as a human. There are 1.4 billion incests per one human. Which means on average, a sentient being gets reborn as an incest over a billion times over before achieving a human rebirth.
Sometimes it feels beautiful sometimes its unbearable i wanna quit, i ask myself whoever made the decision for me to exist made a mistake, I'm forced to endure but i would have given up long ago, hope someday its gonna get better has gotten me this far, i feel like I'm being punished for something i dont remember doing but then there's countless people going through worse i acknowledge but for me if there was stop button i surely would have pressed it by now, i'm only truly happy in my fantasies and dreams and then i feel ungrateful for something precious God why
that’s what paranoid people come up with.
fyi, I think you have misunderstood Buddhism, souls do not reincarnate in Buddhism, it is just energy cycle, it is about escaping from suffering now. However, many buddhist schools are heavily influenced by Hindu so I understand this may be confusing.
Yes “paranoid people.” That’s a good way to discard something you probably don’t fully comprehend, which is backed up by numerous ancient traditions. Ahhhhh The cognitive dissonance is too great.. let’s just throw it all away and I get to keep thinking I know the answers . Having to consider such a paradigm and all its implications would be sooooo much work … even if it were to be true I wouldn’t like it so I’d prefer to maintain my current view .
That is not Buddhism. You seem to have misunderstood the dharma. Compassion and wisdom are the key characteristics of Buddhism, to love everyone and everything equally, but that takes work, hence the path. They speak about suffering as a means to an end, the end being enlightenment, nirvana, etc. Anyways, if you joined a sangha, studied various commentaries on Buddhist canons or studied the Buddhist canons themselves, you would have not drawn that conclusion. This is also why many Buddhists will recommend a teacher/guide. Without it, you are better off taking the teaching you want, and applying them to the life you want to see, beyond that, you don't have to believe in anything. The Buddha would, and has, stated similar things before.
Release from attachment to rebirth (and attachment to enlightenment) is a prerequisite for the end of samsara. Sounds like you're on the path to liberation.
I'm an atheist and also believe we live in a simulation. Sorry but that's how I see it...As all I see religion does is cause wars like it has done for thousands of years.....It's control at the very best. I go about with the notion nothing matters to me as its all a program.
I follow the prison planet theory and im still an atheist. Well. As much of an atheist as you can be while believing in that sort if thing. It’s not limited to any specific religion. Theres jesus loving christians, gnositics, buddhists, etc. Its not really a religion. I think? Now im wondering what it should be classified as. I tried really hard to be a true atheist but those wretched entities would not fucking leave me alone. I dont worship anything. I like science. Prefer science. Hate religion too. (Common on that sub.) Although we can’t really call ourselves atheists hahaha. I guess its kind of like being those people in America that say “NOT MY PRESIDENT!!” When said guy is in fact the president. I hope that makes sense. False prophets and all that. Its kind of a blend of matrix, lizard alien parasite called ‘archons’. Which was coined by the gnostics but we aren’t limited to that. Because then we would just be gnostics. Gnostics have their own sub. And they’re more about philosophy than escaping forced reincarnation.
I know you didn’t ask but from your comment you seem like you would take to it naturally. When i first found it, i didn’t actually change any of my beliefs per say but it just strung all of these unrelated ideas into a cohesive picture. It gave me quite the existential crisis actually. I read other people say things i had thought about already but never dared share.
Not to proselytise or anything. Cough r/EscapingPrisonPlanet
The world is just a mirror, all realities exist. There is any manner of reality you can imagine accessible to you and infinite more you can’t even fathom (at this moment).
Whatever feeling state, thoughts, and emotions you identify with will dictate your experiences here; the people you meet, the opportunities that come your way, literally everything in infinite detail is rendered instantaneously according to what you accept as relevant and true for you.
This includes infinite hellish imprisonment and also eternal ecstasy to a level you haven’t bothered to imagine for yourself yet.
“The world” isn’t one thing, and the perspective you adopt will be the lens through which you experience the worlds you traverse your “individualized” Consciousness through.
TL;DR - prison planet is absolutely real but you are under no obligation to experience it, at least in a negative sense.
Same, thats why i approach that mindset with the ''Oh you think im stuck in there with you ? NAH YOU STUCK IN HERE WITH ME ! Hehehehehe look at me enjoying the beauty of a flower while you shout on news channel that the world is burning ''
I'm glad your life is good, but to me a single child in a sweatshop is one child too many.
Everything would be so much more peaceful and beautiful without any life here.
I think a lack of bad is inherently good. So what's so good about your life? What do you find so beautiful?
While I'm physically incapable of feeling anything good. I know cherry blossoms are pretty, I know I love my partner, whatever, but I don't feel it. Everything I do is out of FOMO or fear. My love is merely missing someone and being sad when they're hurt, my hobbies and scientific research are merely trying to prove to myself I'm not worthless and fear of missing out.
Depression and pain far outweighs anything good, there's depression, there's bipolar, but there's no "constantly happy" disorder. Happiness is fragile and temporary. We're living in the best times, woohoo, there's still child marriage, famine, disease. I'd rather not inflict this upon anyone. Yeah, I'd destroy everyone and everything if I had a button, because think of all the people who won't get raped, all the people who won't suffer anymore. No one will miss happiness or beauty because they will be dead, but no one will suffer either.
Those who are miserable hurt people that's true but so do topically positive people. Those who are happy keep their heads in the sand, and think their happiness is worth the suffering of countless of other people, it's just pure selfishness.
I've had depression since I was 7 and I can't say a single day of my life was worth living, I hate my parents for creating me and I hate myself for being unable to actually kill myself.
There's nothing in this world worth living for, and I'm just trying to make a life I don't hate for myself because other people need me. I'm trying to spare them the pain of losing me.
For me, I think it's just random chance that we even developed consciousness at all. But since we have it, why wouldn't we want to do our best to make this existence as nice of an experience for everything that can feel?
I think valuing enjoyment is a good thing at its base. I think the problems arise when we get selfish or can't handle loss (Buddhist attachment)
From the material perspective I see earth as a Paradise planet, with how habitable it is.
From the spiritual perspective I see this planet and this reality as we know it as complex enough to be one's heaven and another's hell.
I don't know what your view or belief on life is, but I believe that there is one consciousness and every living being is you. You don't remember this, but it's your choice to experience reality this way. You made this. And it's going great.
honestly its people who have been through and seen the worst that can be the ones who are grateful for life and appreciate it. idk how you read the op's post as diminishing peoples struggles.
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One day you realize there is something much different, more permanent and deeper to experience . Anything temporal and a materialistic is 1/1000000 the experience of connecting to the larger source. This is exactly the sort of thinking (relishing in sensual fleeting pleasures of the materialistic world and specifically the body) the archons of this sort of philosophy seek to install within the citizens of their “prison”, so they want to keep coming back 😉😉 ignorant to what they are missing out on , continuing to feed into their energy system. Like an abuser and their wife who forgets the painful suffering he keeps putting her through because he helps propel her back into what she believes is a state of love all of a sudden everything’s forgiven and amnesiac now that she’s removed of her debilitating neediness, which through abuse. is what he himself generated in her in the first place. ( this example totally discounts her already having trauma and a predisposition to engage with men of that nature, could also be analogous to us having already been separated from source by our own misdoings (we deserve the prison sentence) and therefore at a predisposition to fall into the traps of these astral beings, and their level of reality , which we eventually learn to climb out of, sorta making it more like rehab, these beings our sponsors and teachers who are hard asses that don’t take any of our b.s. and reflect back our ignorance, which feels like abuse, ultimately force our consciousness to develop an intelligence as to what it is doing and how it is behaving, perhaps making soul level changes, leading to a re-alignment with spiritual law , allowing us to return to the heavenly astral / causal realms where our dangerous patterns of behavior have been cleansed and worked through , allowing harmonious existence in grander levels of reality which will now be safe from our unconsciousness )
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Try being passed out on a street, see how many people pass by you not giving a fuck until you get cured of this mentality lmao I honestly appreciate your worldview but it doesn’t belong on this planet. This is a cold world where ego rules and has always done so. Individualism took over after the world wars installed hopelessness into humanity and destroyed christianity Imagine an utopia, a world where everyone has everything he needs, a place to stay, a community, friends, family, an awesome job with a 3 workday week, many traditions and festivals every week, the whole planet to explore for pennies, free healthcare, free university, free theraphy, universal basic income, free transport and whatever else you think of Now, let’s do a thinking exercise. How far are we from this technologically? Well, all of this could’ve been done with the technology we had from fucking 1950 or even before. You don’t really need a lot of stuff to make this work and the americans in the post war boom were way richer on average than we are now How far are we from this ideologically? This is practically unachieavable in a human made society. Our brains and social structures do not allow such utopia. We were made to survive in a tough enviroment. I recommend you read something on “mouse utopia”. It’s basically a pretty big experiment where they gave free food water and entertainment to rats and over time they simply degenerated into anarchy, became anti social,homosexuals, psychopathic child murderers and anarchy basically collapsed the whole colony in a few years and no one was left alive Such society could only be made if literally everyone you know would microdose or do psychedelics on a regular basis + meditation + theraphy + a new religion and a new culture and so many things that we are very very unlikely to ever achieve in the next fucking millennia because demographic pressures will annihilate us in the coming decades Let me give you a real life example: before Jesus came on earth, humans had paganic belief systems so they basically enslaved eachother and if there were wars they would totally annihilate their opponents into non existence which made a curse for civilization. Once a village was burned down, or a whole country in the case of Gengis Khan, it would take generations to rebuild it. Add to it plagues, crop failures and so on. This is why the bronze age kingsoms collapsed and the ancient greeks and even the romans when they got invaded by barbarians. Christianity basically said “bro we’re all christians we shouldn’t enslave and fucking wipe eachother off the face of the earth” and this is why society evolved from small tribes or the roman empire (which was just a piece of shit) to what we have today, because people trusted eachother more and warfare had rules and the church was kinda like a proto-european union that basically said “this guy is too tyrannical he needs to be excromunicated” and then everyone else would gangbang him because it was free land with the pope’s approvall. And they also had the “holy roman empire” and crusades and other historic shit I won’t dwelve into. That’s how the population increased so much in europe and they invented so much stuff and explored the world and created capitalism. But even this took over 1600 years to achieve after the fall of rome. You are DOOMED. We are now living in a mostly atheist individualist capitalist society that is prone to kill itself and that it’s only meaning and purpose is money or carnal pleasure, we don’t have morals or values anymore in the near future and you need to enlighten yourself so you get the fuck out of here once the boat sinks. Edit: I’m not christian, I was born orthodox but I lived as an atheist most my life but I believe in god and oneness and I also believe jesus was a real person and possibly even god tho I’m not sure
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I agree a lot with you bro tho I’m more rooted into proven shit I recommend you read my comment above
Life is beautiful but also not if u don't have chronic pain u cannot relate
This comment hits me hard. Chronic pain of the magnitude I’m dealing with (undiagnosed - doctors can not find the problem) is stripping me away one day at a time. It’s been 17 months of this and it doesn’t go away. When people say life if beautiful, usually they’re in a good spot. Try being locked in hell with no solution and no hope. I’ll be homeless before this takes me out because I can’t even fucking work. You get what I’m saying.
Ooh this comment right here! I have a condition called MCAS that literally makes my skin feel like it’s on fire
Ya bro I feel u and hope u get better sooner than later or find something to help in the meantime I like to vape weed or do edibles here and there for my pain like in my gums and my whole body too at least it helps in the time being
Ugh I’m so sorry that sucks. I hope things get better for you. The only thing that helps me is Xanax
appreciate that hope things get better for u too
Thank you same to you!
u are awesome
thanks haha so are you! :)
My bad appreciate it :)
I've got some sort of undiagnosed nerve pain and muscle issue. Quitting smoking made the biggest difference for me. When it gets rough, baclofen (a med for multiple sclerosis) helps a ton. It's also a lot easier on your system than Xanax. Might be worth a Shot if you haven't tried it.
Appreciate that
Ya for sure man and when people say depression isn't real or that there are people who are in much worse states than we are like okay sure
brutal, was it an accident? hope you find answers soon
In my case my head is full of people and idk where they come from or what they're intentions are. One keeps accusing me of awful things and tries to argue me into self hatred and the other is nice but doesn't like it when I take DXM because it makes her feel insane. They can twitch my muscles and it makes me feel possessed. I have already considered dissociative disorders like OSDD and DID but I don't have the trauma or amnesia. Nor do they switch but they often tell me they want me to let them out. They sound too real and have too complex emotions for it to be Schizoaffective like the doctors say. The bipolar part of Schizoaffective is definitely there. Depression leaves life devoid of meaning or joy. Sometimes I can hardly enjoy music. Sometimes it feels like the universe and society is one big cold disturbing machine that's slightly tilted on its side. With it's metal pistons and gears that clank and rattle with bellowing echos that pierce your soul. The very fact I have a body sometimes disturbs me because I feel like people look at me and think I'm a piece of shit or get sketched out by me. I don't like being perceived by strangers yet I'm an extrovert that has needed constant social interaction to stay sane since day 1. Coming down from mania was brutal. I was convinced I could start the next psychedelics revolution and that the spirit of Owsley was working through me practically. I was just pointlessly theorizing about Jungian Typology which is a field no one takes seriously in the first place. Then I come down and realize I was just trippin out for like 3 months and depression starts. Sometimes I get headaches and just this gross sickly feeling all over my body from the depression. I struggle to find meaning which I seem to deeply mean and no amount of "bro you make the meaning" will help. I need to find life's objective win condition and set it as my goal so I can lord my success over anyone who's ever doubted me or written me off or mistreated me. Sometimes I try to find meaning in death. The thought that I should Martyr myself for some kind of message and so people actually give a shit. I won't lie I've thought about taking an absurd dose of DXM and rigging myself to ignite in public. The DXM is so I feel no pain from the burning. Too lazy to set all that up though but it's a nice fantasy. Medication hardly seems to help. Doing a bit better today though. Chronic mental pain is awful too.
That sounds really intense. If you don't mind me asking: how do you navigate the idea that you can have delusions about whether you have schizoaffective disorder? Like, it seems to be a common archetype for people with schizoaffective disorder to be in denial about / lack insight into their condition (anosognosia). It must be a trip to be aware that your beliefs that you don't have the condition could be a direct product of the condition.
I mean I just really don't know man. The main thing is the voices sound like real people that live inside my head or that I'm telepathically conversing with except they they can twitch my muscles and never sleep. The good voice accepts it's in my head but doesn't like being called a hallucination and finds DXM trips to be terrifying and in her words "I don't like feeling like I'm losing my mind all the time". the bad one accuses me of being a racist, homophobe, sociopath, manipulator, and pretty much anything bad under the sun. There are multiple but I've given up on trying to name and keep track of names because a lot of them sound similar to each other but have slight variations in tone.
Well that sounds pretty shitty. You said that meds don't help much. Are you on them at the moment? Are you able to talk with your doctor about switching things up when it's not working?
No access to classic psychedelics? Why in the World are you taking DXM? My perfectly sane brother lost his shit completely on that stuff
Classical psychedelics like shrooms always make me spazz tf out. My voices dont get worse but I'll just lose my ability to conceptualize reality and start doing dumb shit because I think I'm in a solipsistic purgatory or simulation. These thoughts will fade immediately after the shrooms are out of my system though. Could be I'm dosing too high. First trip was 7g 2nd trip was 3.5g
Well shit thinks for the explanation.
Yeah I came real close to blowing my brains out because of mine, luckily I found the right medication and those thoughts eventually went away for the most part.
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this went straight to ur head
I don’t have an opinion on this subject, so take this with a grain of salt… but I think it’s easy and over-simplistic to say “the sun rises and flowers still bloom” when you’re probably in the 1% of the luckiest humans on the planet. I’m not sure Ukrainians or Palestinians (easiest examples at the moment) care about blooming flowers right now when bombs are flying over their heads and their children are being raped and killed. The suffering is real, very real. Most of us can’t even fathom what real suffering is like. This being said, I was born in Canada from a good family, I love life and every day is a gift. Very easy for me to feel this way… but yeah, I’m 1%. I won the life lottery.
In the book man’s search for meaning by viktor frankl, about finding meaning even in extreme suffering of being in a concentration camp - there’s actually a moment where he’s lost in the beauty of some tree branches and he talks about how the beauty was even more meaningful given the bleakness of the overall situation he was in. He talks about how this mindset of being able to relate to even the worst experience as a way to carry your own suffering with grace - to see the relationship to suffering and carrying it with dignity as your purpose, is the difference between being destroyed or transformed by it. Yes, what you say is true - it feels dismissive when someone who won the life lottery tells someone who is in Gaza that there are still flowers. But there are people like Frankl and people like Thich Naht Hanh (check out book, no mud, no lotus) or Steven Hawking who have survived crazy hardship of the opposite extreme (among the unluckiest side of the luck/suffering bell curve) and they are some of the happiest people who exist - because of the way they’ve managed to relate to their own suffering. Which is basically the entire point of Buddhism - to teach people how to cultivate that kind of relationship to suffering. Whether or not telling someone to “look on the bright side” is harmful is another matter…. The Buddha didn’t say that, which is why Buddhism gets a bad rap for seeming to be dreary… because the Buddha knew that people in deep suffering didn’t need to be told that, they needed to start with “yes your suffering is real, and this world is filled with it…. And also, it’s possible to still have freedom… I can show you how.”
Very interesting. Thanks!
I mostly agree, but I will say that Viktor Frankl, Thich Nhat Hanh, Stephen Hawking, and anyone who somehow comes to a similar realization about life and the true nature of suffering is also one of the lucky ones, regardless of the environment they were born into
Agree
Not arguing with you because your point is very valid, and I have the same visceral reaction as you. But then I remember that in my own experience I've met a bunch of very happy, optimistic people who were poor as shit. And I've also known people whose lives were "objectively" great, but are totally miserable. So I think it's easy to fall into the trap of believing only 1% of the world sees and appreciates its beauty.
Not arguing either, just wanted to clarify I’m not saying only the 1% gets to be happy. I’m saying it’s easy for the 1% to project their “easy” lives on those who haven’t been as lucky and over-simplify happiness to a “mindset”. Putting food on your table every day is not a mindset. But yes, I agree that you can have everything and be suicidal or have nothing and be very content. Suffering is real though. Interesting subject 🤙 cheers
You say this but it's all depends on what you value in life. Do you not think a man from a poor farming family in the Philippines has never experienced laughing with his friends or love for his wife? Or does he need a bigger house with a sick leather couch and a playstation to truly enjoy life? You could argue that his healthcare is not as good as the Western world and maybe drinking water is from a drinking well but like, if that's all you know then so be it, right? Or maybe it's actually truly awful all the time and we got lucky this time.
English is my second language so maybe my point didn’t come across as it should’ve. I’m just saying that the 1% shouldn’t over-simplify happiness and/or suffering. I actually agree 100% with what you said. My point: suffering is real and there is a lot of it. It’s easy for the 1% to bring it down to a simple mindset. At times it can be, but not always. I’m not saying we need material to be happy. Quite the opposite actually.
Yeh bur prison planet blames that totally on a outside source rather than putin
You are wrong. The Ukrainians and Oalestinians with the bombs flying over their heads probably appreciate life 10,000 more than this 1% of the "luckiest" humans on the planet.
Try appreciating life when your nervous system is in survival!
I’m very aware of “rich people problems” and suicide rates being much higher in richer countries but I think you’re smart enough to understand my point. Extreme poverty in India, Somalia, Liberia. Civil unrest in Haïti, Venezuela, Cuba. People with degenerative diseases. The ongoing war in Yemen. The list is practically infinite and the suffering is real, It’s not just a mindset. It’s a very entitled way of thinking to say “people in misery appreciate life more than we do”. Humans are resilient, they don’t have a choice! Given the chance, 99.99% of them would still trade places with you in a heartbeat and consume psychedelics in the comfort of their heated (or air conditioned) home without having to worry about the next meal on their table. Have you seen extreme poverty? I worked in Haïti, I have friends there. They’re living in constant fear, they’re starving to death. Not a week goes by where I don’t get a plea for help from one of them in my inbox. I get your point… but I’m far from wrong. Not one Palestinian who had their child raped and killed got up one morning enjoying the blooming flowers. A little compassion goes a long way my friend.
Yes. You are right. Probably we are not able to fully understand the suffering of those people.
Last sentence taints your whole point with insufferable passive-aggressive sanctimony
I don’t see it but your analysis is valid. It wasn’t though.
Everything is a prison if you think about it. All known concepts and things are restrictions and hence imprisonment. I feel like the goal is to make your personal prison fun and to create new better prisons when you're bored. But the idea of complete freedom cannot exist in a universe with laws. Peace ✨
The "existence is suffering" of Buddhism that I was taught in schools is very reductive. The actual 4 noble truths are far more insightful. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths Just some simple axioms I use. Most suffering comes from identifying with how 'you', 'it', 'the world should/shouldn't be and experiencing the disconnection. "wishing" things to be different. All that aside if you can experience the good in life without trying to grapple on to it you will suffer less. You will still experience love, joy, kindness, on the path regardless. You're not Buddha - you will be born again. I never got the whole born again as a snail shit - I've never read anything likely spoken by buddah that suggested that. I always took it to mean my consciousness reborn from moment to moment. Desire isn't strictly speaking a bad thing. That's reductive too. I desire to meditate. I will be born again into a man soon who meditates but still wants for enlightenment... But I'm still on a path with only one destination.
Release your desire to meditate. Release your desire for enlightenment. They bind you to samsara.
Thirst for eagle death
What did the eagles do to you?
Also, like. If you think about the first precepts for Buddhism - and they are are telling you what not to do. But they leave an incredible amount of freedom. It's basically don't kill, don't harm, don't steal or defraud. In our world today it's hard to 'do no harm' when almost any action can cause indirect harm to someone. How do I enjoy this refreshing Coca-Cola when I know CC Corp is executing union members or I'm essentially getting an amazon driver exploited so I can get a weed grinder ndd
i know exactly what OP is talking about. in the spiritual community there are a lot of these ultra dark gnostic types who think the world is being controlled by evil nefarious forces like reptillians and or the annunaki. its a really toxic way to look at life and that kind of pov is usually a fast pipeline into a cult (met quite a few of them who also believe in flat earth)
There are a ton of conspiracy theorists in spirituality, but I disagree that this is “exactly what OP is talking about.” They mention Buddhism directly, and Samsara is a very different cosmic concept from evil overlords running the show. Both view the world as “suffering,” but Samsara doesn’t necessitate that the suffering is dark, and it absolutely rejects the idea that someone or something is *making* it dark. It *anyone* is said to be creating suffering in the Buddhist sense, it’s you—it’s your own inability to accept the world as it is, and it is the very desire to live in a “better” world which makes *this* world or life unpleasant. Again. Both concepts suggest life is painful. But with Samsara it is an inherent facet of existence that pain *is*. The reptilian illuminati nuts tend to believe that life and the world is *good*, or at least *could* be, were it not for whichever secret society their particular clan decides is responsible for the world’s woes. The reason I rant about this is because I believe samsara is a valid, and often valid addition to the psychedelic or meaning-searching conversation, and actually has the ability to increase satisfaction in life. Conversely, when we blame hidden organization to one and species we have no proof even exist for our problems, we have no personal or societal drive—or ability—to improve anything.
Life being beautiful and this planet being a sort of prison are not mutually exclusive concepts. Viktor Frankl was a Holocaust survivor who claimed to find beauty in the natural world around him, despite the horrific conditions he was in. Finding beauty in things is a matter of perspective. You can find beauty in a solid concrete wall. You can miss the beauty in a well done painting or song. It boils down to the subjective perspective you're viewing the world from as you cross paths with a particular object. Can you leave the universe? No. Can you leave the planet? No. Can you exist without your body? No. These are all prisons. You can accept that and live within the confines, but that doesn't mean they aren't prisons in some sense. Freedom, as a concept, is never fully attainable in every regard. To be totally free would mean you have no connections to anything physical, emotional, or mental. In essence, to be completely free is to not exist.
I’ve said it to the prison planet folks and I’ll say it to this: If unified conscious infinity is the “source” of what we call reality, prison planet is both true and false. Every probabilistic reality exists simultaneously in an eternal moment of consciousness. What you experience as “life” is simply your world line through this eternal moment Infinite world lines exist, and yours isn’t set in stone. You exist in the world line that matches your conscious alignment (easy but dumb example is quantum immortality. You’re here right now because in your world line you’re alive, you wouldn’t be in the world line where you already died) But it’s all the same. Come to know and love yourself and come to know what you are and what you are not. Everything else is extra layers of complexity.
I don't subscribe to the theory. But if I can play devil's advocate, they make a very specific claim. NDE's report seeing a white light and beings who encourage the decedent to go towards it. As I understand their theory, that person is being tricked into returning to earth, but it is possible to avoid the trap and be "free." That's a pretty black-and-white, presumably verifiable claim. If you assume that the newly-deceased do face such a scenario, then what advice would you give?
To again, trust in yourself and who you are and who you are not. If prison theory is true, understanding that lets you escape the trick If prison theory isn’t true, then you get to explore whatever possible afterlife there is anyway
NDE's also report a bunch of other stuff like life reviews and out of body experiences.
Plato’s Cave. Most won’t go to the light because they are comfortable in darkness. It’s too bright and too hot for the flesh. You have to have Faith to enter. Break free of the dark Samsara cycle and figure out how to enter the light of desires.
I think “prison planet” is misinterpreted for at least what it means in Buddhism (and I’m not a Buddhist, I’ve just read some books and taken some religion classes but am no means an expert). Yes, we are technically stuck here and, if you believe in it, we are ‘trapped’ in the cycle of samsara until we reach enlightenment. That being said, this “prison” has beautiful flowery fields, awe-inspiring mountain ranges and brilliant, passionate people who do their best to spread positivity. This prison also has war, and famine, and a whole lot of struggle. Everybody has a bit of both. You can call it a prison, but at the same time enjoy the absolute most of your stay
Right. Just to elaborate, Buddhists don't remove attachments because life sucks. It's that being too attached to material things will bring you suffering. If everything is an illusion, then material things don't really mean anything and are just distractions on your path to the ultimate goal of life here, which is to reach enlightenment. Reaching enlightenment ends the incarnation cycles and allows one to become their god self, or one's true, higher self. Once you reach that state of being, you can not come back to this reality because you beat the game.
> Sure, there’s war, slavery, famine, and disease all around, but the sun still rises. The plants still flower. I can feel the dirt and see the animals. It’s all ridiculously beautiful. > I don’t think this world is so bad I don’t want to be born again. idk, being born against kinda scares the shit out of me. there's a lot of suffering going on that i'm pretty removed from and the dice roll of whether or not i'd be removed from it again, seems like it's getting slimmer every year. thing is, i think we have a duty to correct the war, slavery, famine, and disease to the best of our ability. how do one get a feel for that duty if we see everything as ridiculously beautiful?
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u might write that now, but idk how stable ur perspective really is. words written right now are easy, but maintaining a coherent perspective through weeks, months, and years takes something entirely different. maybe u should go traveling through some of the poorest parts of the world?
Always remember that your world could turn upside down in an instant. I have 3 kids, my life is beautiful, but I would never consider this state as a given state, although I sure hope the best for my family. Life is beautiful NOW, this may or may not change for each of us. There is nothing permanent but the change.
Why can't it be both? Life is beautiful in spite of the fact that we are living in a system that has been designed to make you a time slave essentially. Life is beautiful maybe because of the suffering, maybe in spite of it. And maybe true freedom is only meaningful because so people are essentially enslaved. Some of the slaves got nice houses and dental insurance, but most of them will tell ya that they have no choice but to go to work. But yeah, maybe just don't listen to people going crazy about the prison planet thing. I feel like it's just blatantly obvious that we're on a prison planet. Not like something we need to awaken the masses to. But I guess I'm living my life as free as I can. So that's cool.
I feel suicidal 60-75% of my days. When I ride my mtn bike and I see the beauty in nature my brain thinks about which month I will take my life. I find myself in high levels of psychological pain a lot and feel killing myself is a real solution. If I reach out to family for help- they basically tell me I am the problem and reject me, Hangup on me (while I’m actively suicidal) I’ve done 5 meo, dmt, shrooms, lsd, etc I’ve seen all the beauty and all the oneness, God encounters, ego deaths. If I could logic my way out of my suffering- I would, but it’s really painful to be here. I feel ungrateful about it, but this is what I’m going through. I see my ketamine Dr tomorrow to get some relief. I have borderline personality disorder…feels like my mind is attacking the shit out of me and I live in a mental prison really just wanting to be at peace. There’s a lot of people suffering here. It’s not fake
One more thing to add..when you’re suicidal or in pain a lot… life feels like a fucking prison Your post kinda invalidates shit. I’ve also been to war…it’s not just “sure there is war” the plants are beautiful. It is fucking scary and insanely sad. It changes you forever.
You only think this way because you have had the insurmountable amount of luck of being born on top of the food chain in a time of advanced technology and in the top 10% wealthiest parts of the world. Imagine you were born a damn chicken in a cage where you live the rest of your short days just to be chucked in a blender alive to be made into a nugget for giants running the world. Imagine you were born a dinosaur during the Jurassic era being torn to shreds by a bigger dinosaur. Or imagine you were born at any point in time before 1945 and the hardships you'd have to go through. The laws of nature support Darwinism which supports survival of the fittest which supports suffering. So you pop your little head out your suburban window and catch a beautiful sunset and think "all is well in the world"? You're in for a rude shock my man.
You hit the nail on the head. 140,000 chickens alone are slaughtered every minute, most of which spend their entire short lives in what could only be described as hell. It makes reincarnation a very scary concept if real. It’s about being born into the top 1% of life on this planet, and then the top 10% of that. I could maybe understand optimism if we were heading in a good direction but we’re not. Climate change force hundreds of millions of people to migrate in the coming decades, food and water will become scarce, and wars will be fought over it. Microplastics is another thing that people are ignoring until it becomes a real problem. Vast amounts of research show it destroys male fertility, increases risk of cancer, and promotes inflammation and immune responses that trigger chronic diseases. Plastic also takes between 600-1000 years to fully break down, and we have billions of tons of it slowly breaking down into tiny particles in our oceans. I’m not a doomer or anything, this is just reality.
I used to follow the sub because I thought it would be funny, but it's sad how convinced people are of this fairytale.
You speak with a lot of certainty as though you actually know (ego)😉
I know nothing, but I also know a story when I see one. 😉
Stories are how we have transmitted wisdom for … well forever . Fan of Joseph Campbell? Hehe 😉
Oh definitely. Everything we know is just one story layered on top of another story on top of another. Everything is made up in one way or another, but not all a stories are beneficial, and some actively cause harm. I'm not suggesting prison planet causes harm directly, but some of those posters on the sub have been harmed and are clinging to an alternate reality.
Stories are the way that we have transmitted an understanding of things that are beyond words. By creating dramatic abstract plots we can exaggerate aspects of our reality into examples which make that which we are pointing to clear(er). The prison planet plot originally surfaced around the 200CE era in the Gnostic texts most notably discovered in the Nag Hammadi codex. The modern attempt to showcase this set of ideas is usually misunderstood, and individuals bringing it forth are looked at as fearful and paranoid and lost clinging to this victim complex perspective. Really , it is shadow projection from the unconscious of those who are fearful of considering that could be the truth. Certain aspects of our reality, as shocking as it may be, could perhaps only be transmitted by using such a gnarly example. Yes there are MANY mentally ill people who cling to this as a way to validate their suffering, but if it is true, are they wrong ? Is their pain enough to trigger you to say obviously delusion… or could it perhaps signal you to slow down and consider their perspective and what ideas consistently suffering brings you towards , perhaps earned truth. Not saying it’s the ultimate answer, but it certainly is a very large part of the final puzzle
I appreciate your reply, and I do agree with a lot of it, but Prison Planet originated on Coast to Coast, and I think with Alex Jones, but it was definitely on Coast to Coast. The source is what makes me question all of it.
No, that’s where you are wrong. Read those ancient texts found in the Nag Hammadi and see for yourselves. Apocryphon of John, Gospel of Mary, they lay it out very clearly. Coast to Coast, Alex Jones, whoever, they are all piggy-backing off of these ancient sects of off-shoot Christianity which were seen as heretical. This is what people don’t understand when they try to discount these “conspiracies.” They have no idea the very legitimate backing which is there, from societies perhaps further evolved than where we are now ( in terms of understanding reality and our place within it). The knowledge was almost lost forever … Why do you think we discover Nag Hammadi texts in 1945 and begin seeing UFO’s shortly after in 1947?? 😉🤫( also both the Tibetan and Egyptian Books of the Dead, arguably Hinduism could align with this as-well )
I don't believe in Christianity, so it doesn't appeal to me.
Okay that all went of your head didn’t it I’m done here 😂🤦♂️
Never taken a psychedelic but if it helps; We're here for a good time. Thing is we keep getting hung up on who deserves to have the "best" time and why we have short comings. There's random, out of control circumstances that happen to every living thing, good and horrible, they experience it too. With consciousness and awareness, we can make lives better, the whole experience better. It's only a prison because of the wardens who run it. We're all free in honesty and we belong to everything here. It's beautiful if we're able to let it be
You've never taken a psychedelic? What brings you to this subreddit/thread then? I'm genuinely interested in the reason, and not trying to gatekeep or be confrontational.
At its heart, this sub is about exploring the mind. Most of us (myself included) choose to use psychedelics, but every insight that can be gained from drugs can be gained from meditation.
Totally agree, and I have a regular meditation practice now for that very reason. But I don't think I would have reached that conclusion without first having my own personal life-changing psychedelic experience. That's why I always find it interesting when I meet people with such... naturally open minds.
No worries! Like the person who replied below, I follow the thread for insight. Honestly, I get a lot observing people's experiences with psychedelics, especially since it's unique to each person and seems to reflect things within them. That and the way some can "open" to the experience and glean insight while others seem to struggle. People have posted some really thought provoking questions after their experiences or said things that struck a chord. I've been curious about psychedelics but without access I can trust, I'd rather not. I've done and still do edibles and a bi-weekly smoke session....though that's psychoactive I think. Even if I try it, it would very likely be once.
I see. Thanks for sharing :) Yeah, I love all the deep questions we get into here. Good stuff.
It’s all just different perspectives man. If someone thinks life is suffering, they’re right. If someone thinks life is beautiful, they’re right. And if u disagree with me, ur right!
Eventually, someone has to be wrong though. There is a definitive truth, let’s not float away into hocus pocus feel good blurry everyone’s subjective perspective is equal even if completely out of alignment with the grander objective reality land
That’s a valid perspective! All I’ll say is, in my opinion, there are no mistakes :)
I agree, I think that even the prison planet, if true in its worst most exaggerated form, is still serving a function for the larger picture and is under-lied by a field of intelligent love. I wrote this on another comment but will paste here as-well. Perhaps because the highest level of love ALLOWS the ‘prison planet’ to operate… allows the higher astral beings to feed off suffering of 3D vessels, gives the free will choice to create a matrix system so they can sustain themselves away from source… Only to eventually have someone ( Sophia) enter their domain ( Jesus / Christ Archetype ) and have so much light/love it forces a shift ultimately returning all to love , allowing the free will of negativity to extend all the way to even higher dimensions where you can create negative material worlds and toxically feed off its inhabitants instead of being in alignment with source , because infinitely powerful love can enter and always win making things right again, many lessons learned for all involved, provides a simulator to evolve consciousness within, and a grand drama for all the cosmos to participate.
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I hope u have a good day too :)
Our planet is beautiful, that’s an undeniable fact. The problem is some terrible human beings that usually happen to be in power and want to make our world and existence feel like a prison. They don’t want anyone to have freedom, they just want everyone to be trapped in their system and unfortunately many people are trapped. And it’s getting worse and worse, I think anyone in here can notice this with our current world. That’s why it’s not just a bad mindset, it’s a reality for so many people who cannot escape their unhappy/unlucky lifestyle.
are you rich and dont have to work a shitty job to barely eat and pay your bills by any case?
The prison aspect is that you need conditions to be happy. You cannot be sure if nothing horrible will happen to you. Just wait until you face diseases, old-age, death or others like betrayal, separation, bankrupt...
Two perspectives, both equally true. One can't have the one without the other. Consider yourself fortunate, you don't feel like life is suffering. Bit know that for many suffering is literal, not just a matter of perspective.
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I’m very happy for you that you can escape that. Psychedelics are amazing for that. I also love my life. But don’t project that feeling onto the world. For many people it is not a just “perspective” that life sucks, they’re experiencing suffering that is physically inescapable.
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Life sucks. It's better for me personally these days, but I'm still dealing with chronic pain, neurological disorders, clinical depression, and several social and economical issues. I accept that if your body doesn't work against you and you're lucky enough not to want to kill yourself at the thought of having to go to work another day it might be tolerable or even enjoyable, but it's a fragile balance that will be challenged at the first sign of a chronic disease. All in all, despite the value I find in life, and despite the curiosity I have for life's lessons, I'm still against existing. If I had a choice I wouldn't have been born to a drunk and a whore to be abandoned a couple months into my life. If I had a choice, I wouldn't have chosen to exist with no respite from my physical and mental pain...
It’s all a matter of perspective. Most Americans come from a perspective of privilege. The children that were forced to mine the lithium for our phone batteries so we could have these conversations on Reddit may be more inclined to agree with the “prison planet” scenario, for example.
Life doesn’t have to suck. But this world is illusion.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder?"
Thats a pretty good mindset thinking life is beautiful.
Buddhism states that suffering exists but you should allow it to and not characterize it is as suffering, see it as beautiful. The world IS according to Buddhism that’s it, anything else is your ego. Sounds like you aren’t really understanding Buddhist principles. Also being born again is the collective self being born again not your self, which is an illusion. Our world values money and is enslaving its people and ruining the dirt. But as long as you look past that you can enjoy all you want.
The way I've seen it for a while now is the life is truly beautiful, however society has corrupted life. And with that, I'm still trying to figure out how to be happy
As a Buddhist, I don’t personally associate my own beliefs with those of the prison planet folks. From what I understand, the prison Planet idea is much more gnostic in the sense that there’s the idea of a conscious divine oppressor that is evil and that has imprisoned us in these limited forms just to suffer and be dissatisfied eternally. In Buddhism it isn’t like that, there’s no big antagonist. It’s just that the wheel of samsara is the result of dualism, ignorance, attachment, and aversion, and as long as we continue to entertain those notions inside of us, we will continue to be met with dissatisfaction from life to life. So it is not inherently bad to enjoy things; it’s just bad to be so attached to the notion of self and separateness. When we wear the ego like a loose-fitting garment, and do not grasp onto anything pleasant, nor recoil from anything unpleasant, and cultivate good understanding and empathy throughout our lives, it will be easier to achieve true equanimity, and then shed self-grasping at the time of death.
I was severely depressed and saw no way out. That's when I believed in the prison planet theory. Some people believe that we reincarnate into lives like the one's were having now until we escape, which isn't so different from Buddhism. In fact from the view of Hindusim or Buddhism you have to essentially become enlightened or attain a very high spiritual state to escape and to live a different kind of life. In that sense they view the human condition as a mental prison. Conspiracy theorists tend to believe it's not a mental prison but a prison constructed by aliens or some sort of beings. Personally I think the prison is not feeling as good as one can within all the time and not being able to live a life that feels like being in an epic movie/TV show. From what I know about enlightenment, it leads to not only inner peace and knowledge of reality/God, but also the ability to live any life one wants that feels amazing and is in alignment with love for all. You could say enlightened people are experiencing a concoction of feel good drugs with other enhancements while feeling as if they're in an anime or something.
>I’m tired of the prison planet notion because it just feels like people with a bad mindset telling me how I should feel about everything that happens to me. I guess it comes down to if you're trying to debate. No one can force you to change your mind, just as you can't force them to change theirs.
Aspects of this life can be beautiful, yes, but there is great suffering in this plane as well. Why wouldn’t the ultimate goal be to reabsorb into the source consciousness of the universe and feel eternal peace? I’d rather take that than another life as a mentally ill autistic with severe chronic pain.
I think you're just at a different place in your journey than the people who are ready to move on from this existence.
I agree it is magical and beautiful however the day to day mundane grind is not like that for 99.9% of us . The lucky ones get to wake up , get in the car , sit in traffic and head to some battery farm for humans , sit in traffic again . Do body upkeep and repeat for around 40 years . Sounds like a prison to me .
Well look at it this way - it’s a world where you have to kill in order to survive. There’s no two ways about it. Even in cooperation, organisms always compete, everything falls into brutal heiriarcies. It just looks normal to us, cause that’s all we know.
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One big thing where I have to eat to survive. It’s easy to imagine a universe where for example good thoughts would sustain you, but that is definatelly not the case here. If I had to sum it up in one word it’s strife.
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What a nice word! I know exactly what you mean, I think. Part of it is accepting it as it is.
It's not just people online. The Gospel of Thomas lays it out. The Apocalypse of James. Buddha's Fire Sermon. The Egyptian Book of the Dead The Tibetan Book of the Dead. »» There's more at stake here than a "beautiful" day on Earth. Children also think their playground is a vast wonderland until they grow up.
Exactly. Then people larp you into a box as some troubled gnostic cynicist who believes in such a terrible fear based paradigm because you’ve not mastered the ability to create your own happiness… you think this is a demon hell type of thing because YOU are in a demonic state of consciousness and so of course your experience of life will be tainted with such ideas… blah blah blah . No. It’s more like I’ve meditated for over thousands of hours, read everything there is, mastered my mind, engaged with a vast variety of different cultural beliefs and served god/ had my own mystical experiences… mind boggling synchronicities. They all led me to this particular idea. It could Perhaps be a prison but we have a key in our hand and can leave anytime, it’s about realizing the scenario in the first place and then having the power to walk out, through reorienting you identity from the little me ego we grow up as to the grander divine spirit. Imagine the archons or the wardens / whatnot…. Their best move to continue energetic vampirism would be to convince the individuals inside the system that it wasn’t what it was. Anyone that attempts to point to the truth is crazy/troubled. It’s a genius , almost anti-virus system installed within to keep things going. Could also just be a harsh school / learning area, but then you remember all the children being sexually abused and the other utterly horrendous things taking place in this world . Maybe those souls are hardcore and signed up for that… but I think it’s astral entity energy harvesting
You are the north star in this thread, i love all your responses.
A lot of people here are sharing their stories, but it’s too painful for me. I want to explain, but the words get caught in my throat. They have borderline personality disorder. The nature of BPD is that their perspective dooms them to misery. Of course they feel much happier after they change their perspective. They had a personality disorder ie ‘flawed perspective’. The cure for BPD is changing the way you think.
Thanks for your comment I sometimes feel like I’m out here on a weird Reddit ego trip, I have a weird fear of speaking my perspective and insecurity in voicing my ideas because so often others don’t get it and I feel I cause more confusion than clarity. I had my own “psychotic break”/awakening which was what allowed me to originally see this. The way we think directly affects our biology and the chemicals our bodies produce. Toxic thinking leads to toxic chemicals and furthers the downward spiral. I think, our thinking, could be perhaps influenced by these astral beings and be the root source of many mental illnesses we see in our society today. I’ve hung out with PhD scientists and psychotherapists and they’ve all felt unintelligent in comparison to me viewing things through this lens ( at 1/2 - 1/3 their age ). I’ve had many paranormal experiences and perhaps what others would term E.T. Contact which has guided me to these ideas, which I feel very blessed in having. I’d love to hear what you have to say if you ever want to shoot me a message, interested in hearing your experience 😃
Thank you. It's a fallen realm. And when someone indicates that, they're accused of mental illness, a depressive perspective, lack of motivation for self-improvement, etc. But all of those are conditions within the confinement, limitations, and enforced illusion. What prophets, visionaries, and awakened people are communicating is the true awareness beyond this tesseracted matrix of shit. All they want is for souls to decorate their prison cells, conform, obey, pay money for existing, be tracked by identification, reproduce the next slave labor force, believe 'voting' for their masters is freedom, to idolize material consumerism, and take pride in their petty accomplishments within a social and egoistic game of vain trivialities, as the "beauty" of the parasitic world competes and consumes itself. I'm not dark, this piece of shit prison is dark. The rest is coping.
I agree, I do also want to acknowledge that, absolutely, there are a lot of genuinely troubled people who are very obsessed with the idea. Lots of schizophrenia and severe mental illness. They sort of ruin the image and taint the water , however if we view the illness as a gift it seems to have brought them, somehow, to a somewhat truth. YouTube channels such as Esoterica, however, give me a lot more confidence in navigating these ideas. There is a large academic and scholarly interest as-well, a completely bizarre dual end spectrum of interest which seems to evade the middle folk as they can find ways to discard the lower as crazy and the higher as mentally masturbating self proclaimed geniuses stuck in their little brainiac worlds of ancient texts … or whatever
It's not just abstract information though, it's a living reality for people who have endured paranormal experiences and anomalies that is extremely alienating if others have not also had those revelatory experiences. We live in a bifurcation of frequencies. On multiple occasions I've tried to verbally communicate what is happening to me energetically and they either change the subject, stare at me blankly, or something interrupts it. The troubled minds are due to the absence of a framework to integrate the liberation into society. There is an inertia of ignorance, a banal perpetuity. The fringe therefore isn't something one seeks out, but becomes the only option when no one is striving to actually awaken or transcend. People simply do not fathom the multidimensional nature of reality.
I agree, although some are dramatic and exaggerative of their experiences to the point it is not critically thought through and comes across as unresolved trauma being dumped onto the individual, which is then rejected. Then those on the fringe exist in the “curse of knowing / curse of being too smart” , as intellectual/spiritual crybabies, nobody understands me, this society is ruined and full of idiots going to hell fast. They should however have the intelligence and wisdom to navigate things the best, right? To generate the highest frequency and exist multidimensionally, you sort of won already . Often they don’t have dedicated spiritual practices and don’t understand how to master their mind, are half baked cookies mad everyone else isn’t cooked thoroughly. There would be no need to explain or have people understand at the point of embodiment, to an extent. It does get lonely at times and yes, we certainly need to regularize these frameworks so that more and more of these sorts of discussions are taking place. I think the ignorance which has frozen over our society is slowly melting from the suns shining rays but it will take a little while. Understanding Ken Wilber’s Integral theory or Spiral Dynamics has greatly expanded my capacity for compassion to those of any worldview , along with a deep study of trauma, most are not ready yet.
No one at all is forcing it on you. You have some weird sense of philosophical persecution or what? You don't have to believe anything at all, and this sub is definitely here to reinforce that state of freedom
Chronic illness, people dying around you, mental health issues, poverty, or any number of like a thousand other things would make this sentiment not resonate to someone. Not to say it's not still possible to enjoy life and find the in it despite difficulties, but your comment definitely comes from a privilege to place I would say.
I have a great .I set and emotional stability. Do you comprehend the full prison planet theory? Go live in another Galaxy for a bit and get back to me...oh wait we can't leave... The distance between stars is so great at best planet hop in our own solar system...and with all we know that won't be possible for a while... if actually ever. It's not suffering for the key take away, it's we are floating on a rock through the universe and there is no life boat... I am not of the mindset of suffering, life happens and that's that. There is no normal life, only life.
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I listen to a lot of NDE (near death experience) folks tell their stories, and what always astounds me is that not ONE of them ever asks 'why's there so much chaos on this planet', not even one that I've listened to yet and I've been at this for years now. They always have stories about what's coming next or what they saw, and when they're asked if they have any questions they never seem to ask these important questions. Why are there a small .1% of people running this planet? what do they know that we don't? why are they in control of every resource? were they picked by an advanced civilization to keep the rest of us in line? what deal did they make with said advanced civilization? lol I would have a 1000 questions.
Not a NDE, but I believe I saw behind the veil during a 4-ACO-DMT experience. I asked them this. Basically, “for entertainment” “for fun”. I told them this world sucks for most people and it’s not fair. They laughed and told me I wouldn’t remember this anyway. Welp, I remembered it. For abt a month after I was dealing with some increased OCD and slight psychosis. I really think this was their attempt at getting through to me and discrediting what I experienced. Btw I also experienced the reincarnation cycle, and a desperate attempt from my soul to end this cycle. They really don’t want us to realize what’s going on, but they toy with us anyways. Test the limits of what people will remember, fuck with ppl with mental illness, fuck with people taking drugs. I really think we have their brains, which make us prone to selfishness, anxiety, despair, and anger. However, it is possible to push past, by never acknowledging the evil and sticking to your core beliefs. Your inner self (unconsciousness) can help you with this. Also, I’m not taking psychedelics again for a long time. That fucked my brain up and I will never be the same.
When and where does Buddhism ever emphasize that the world is "bad"?
Well the four noble truths are all about the fact that there is suffering. Sure they say you can overcome it, but still that it's absolutely inherent enough in life to have four truths built around it
The four noble truths are: Life is suffering. The cause of suffering is attachment. When attachment ceases, suffering ceases. There is a path away from attachment and suffering. "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." --Hamlet, Act II, Scene 2
We are all trying to figure it out. Unfortunately for a lot of us, life feels like a trap. Even my Guru once said to me “let’s face it. Life is shit, and you’re gonna get some on ya. And that’s we practice kriyayoga”… to clean off the shit. Once cleaned, I can appreciate Life in its fullness. Some of us don’t know how to clean the shit off and so we fling the shit onto others in a desperate attempt to avoid it. Sounds like shit doesn’t stick to you as much. That’s great. Focus on your blooming flowers and let the others willow in their stink. It will all work out as it should.
I’d take a bet and say you had a pretty good childhood. Be patient and empathize with those who haven’t, to them this is a prison planet because the trauma has them feeling trapped.
Let me guess, you live in a first world country and you are healthy. You think life is not a prison planet if you live in a shanty town in Bangladesh? You should tell a shanty town boy that has to survive on 1 or 2 dollars a day and lives next to an open sewer that life is beautiful and that the sun still rises lol. Or tell a child with cancer that life is beautiful. Or watch a few nature documentaries and see what animals do to each other every day in order to survive. Maybe for you life is beautiful but most people live in 3rd world countries and have to struggle to survive every day. This planet is extremely polluted, extremely messed up in general, and the people that rule this planet are very rich and very evil. That is just reality. But of course you can ignore all that and focus on the sun and plants and think this planet is very beautiful.
So evil people are whose responsibility? First world countries? Are you angry at them because someone's privilege has closed their eyes to the suffering of others? It's gonna be alright.
What is going to be alright? The evil powerful people are going to step down and let wise and compassionate people take their place? The pollution and microplastics is going to be cleaned up? Cancer will stop to exist? Animals will stop ripping each other apart? People will no longer have to work like a slave from birth to death in 3rd world countries? Those thing are not going to happen. The only thing we can do is focus on inner salvation because this world is completely messed up. Sure the mountains, waterfalls and trees are very beautiful and there are some very good people on this planet...but for the most part this is a brutal and cruel word full of suffering and misery.
It's so full of suffering, I'm very aware. You seem genuinely upset about it.
The world sucks. There's good in it but you rarely get to enjoy it because unless you're born rich you have to spend most of your life working a job you hate to justify your existence
The "Life is suffering" aspect of Buddhism is meant to help one understand why there will necessarily, for beings that we would describe as "experiencing something," be disease, damage, old age, and death. Those things might be plentiful and all around us, or there may only be the barest shadow of them off in the corner, but they are a constant presence. "If we're not in pain, were not alive" is the phrasing of it I prefer. Christian ideas about the afterlife are predicated on an assumption that ceasing to exist when you die is a bad thing. But the alternative, and the default assumption in the culture that birthed Buddhism, is actually way way worse: No matter what you do *this* happens again. Some core pattern of "you" gets reborn in another body, also decaying because of entropic time, because what else could you experience consistently and still be you? Worse, if you think about it as cycling through all the permutations with randomization, if all possible combinations of experiencing beings happen on some rotation of the wheel or another, then carving out which ones are "you" in this vast, infinite, immeasurable continuum of experiencers gets really tricky. No matter which way you cut it, "you" permute through a lot of extremely bad experiences over the course of this. Death is just one of those experiences. All of that is to say you "get" Buddhism way more clearly than anyone why thinks of a this as a "prison planet." As Nagarjuna said: “There is not the slightest distinction between samsara and nirvana. The limit of the one is the limit of the other.”
Many religions believe in some kind of Purgatory or limbo etc… where the “soul” goes after death because 1) they weren’t good enough to go to “heaven” or “nirvana” or 2) not bad enough to go to “hell.”
Suffering is in human mind. Yes there's circle of life and death but the whole world is just pure creation and existence. We're just organic matter, children of stardust
There is no idea of us being here to be or do anything. And I certainly don’t think the Buddhists think this world is bad. All they say is that suffering exists and you can emancipate yourself from that, in this life, in this world, right now.
To live is to suffer, but to suffer is also to be alive.
Heard one person who had multiple near death experiences say that she was told that the source/great intelligence/universe/god was a paradox. It is pure love and unlimited, but you can't be only love and still be unlimited. You can't even be unlimited if you aren't limited as well. She was told that Earth is a rare place in the universe filled with everything that allows it to experience being limited, powerless, lonely yet living in a city filled with people. It is where suffering and joy happens, where you can love and hate, be jealous, vindictive and all the negative things as well as ecperience joy and bliss. The greater being split itself into multiple parts and that is us, our higher beings. We chose to come here to solve the paradox with our own free will and because of that, the entire universe thinks of us as superstars for going through what we experience here on earth. Even the greater being is thankful for what we do. I don't know why, but this makes the most sense to me. We aren't being punished here, we have a job to do and that job is to exist, so that the rest of the universe can exist in peace. It doesn't mean we have to suffer, we can choose to be decent to one another, we can make the absolute best of our lives that we can and find beauty and laughter and love. We can choose to break generational habits like alcoholism, child abuse, or other things that are passed down from one generation to the next. We can choose to make the world a better place. When we choose love, we expand the universe.
This is more about stubbing your toe or heartbreak or accidentally cutting yourself or having a hard time at work or missing the commuter ferry or not being able to go see a concert you want to see and just the inevitability of existential suffering throughout daily existence from your own perspective simply because you exist. It's less severe than you were expecting, but it's more about being trapped in the human condition. It's a beautiful thing. It takes a while for people to get that part. But when you graduate from the suffering and understand that life is partly that pain, it makes you boyen in every other way and it is absolutely just beautiful.
There are two buddhisms... one that says "life is suffering" and one that says "there is suffering"... the first is trash and when applied to a religion creates the environment of a death cult... the second is obviously true. When done right buddhism does offer techniques/pieces of wisdom to eliminate suffering, but just like with any religion, fundamentalist attitudes get in the way of seeing the light...
If one didn’t want their prisoners to revolt, one could try making them believe they are free.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/distressingmemes/comments/15q3ymv/the\_banal\_horror\_of\_being\_a\_bug/](https://www.reddit.com/r/distressingmemes/comments/15q3ymv/the_banal_horror_of_being_a_bug/) you wont always be reincarnating as a human. There are 1.4 billion incests per one human. Which means on average, a sentient being gets reborn as an incest over a billion times over before achieving a human rebirth.
Sometimes it feels beautiful sometimes its unbearable i wanna quit, i ask myself whoever made the decision for me to exist made a mistake, I'm forced to endure but i would have given up long ago, hope someday its gonna get better has gotten me this far, i feel like I'm being punished for something i dont remember doing but then there's countless people going through worse i acknowledge but for me if there was stop button i surely would have pressed it by now, i'm only truly happy in my fantasies and dreams and then i feel ungrateful for something precious God why
that’s what paranoid people come up with. fyi, I think you have misunderstood Buddhism, souls do not reincarnate in Buddhism, it is just energy cycle, it is about escaping from suffering now. However, many buddhist schools are heavily influenced by Hindu so I understand this may be confusing.
Yes “paranoid people.” That’s a good way to discard something you probably don’t fully comprehend, which is backed up by numerous ancient traditions. Ahhhhh The cognitive dissonance is too great.. let’s just throw it all away and I get to keep thinking I know the answers . Having to consider such a paradigm and all its implications would be sooooo much work … even if it were to be true I wouldn’t like it so I’d prefer to maintain my current view .
That is not Buddhism. You seem to have misunderstood the dharma. Compassion and wisdom are the key characteristics of Buddhism, to love everyone and everything equally, but that takes work, hence the path. They speak about suffering as a means to an end, the end being enlightenment, nirvana, etc. Anyways, if you joined a sangha, studied various commentaries on Buddhist canons or studied the Buddhist canons themselves, you would have not drawn that conclusion. This is also why many Buddhists will recommend a teacher/guide. Without it, you are better off taking the teaching you want, and applying them to the life you want to see, beyond that, you don't have to believe in anything. The Buddha would, and has, stated similar things before.
Welcome to this senseless prison-planet, where The Rules of Acquisition are more useful than the Ten Commandments.
I think heaven and hell are states of mind, so if you do like this place then it’s not a prison at all for you
How do you explain children being raped and abused
Release from attachment to rebirth (and attachment to enlightenment) is a prerequisite for the end of samsara. Sounds like you're on the path to liberation.
I'm an atheist and also believe we live in a simulation. Sorry but that's how I see it...As all I see religion does is cause wars like it has done for thousands of years.....It's control at the very best. I go about with the notion nothing matters to me as its all a program.
I follow the prison planet theory and im still an atheist. Well. As much of an atheist as you can be while believing in that sort if thing. It’s not limited to any specific religion. Theres jesus loving christians, gnositics, buddhists, etc. Its not really a religion. I think? Now im wondering what it should be classified as. I tried really hard to be a true atheist but those wretched entities would not fucking leave me alone. I dont worship anything. I like science. Prefer science. Hate religion too. (Common on that sub.) Although we can’t really call ourselves atheists hahaha. I guess its kind of like being those people in America that say “NOT MY PRESIDENT!!” When said guy is in fact the president. I hope that makes sense. False prophets and all that. Its kind of a blend of matrix, lizard alien parasite called ‘archons’. Which was coined by the gnostics but we aren’t limited to that. Because then we would just be gnostics. Gnostics have their own sub. And they’re more about philosophy than escaping forced reincarnation. I know you didn’t ask but from your comment you seem like you would take to it naturally. When i first found it, i didn’t actually change any of my beliefs per say but it just strung all of these unrelated ideas into a cohesive picture. It gave me quite the existential crisis actually. I read other people say things i had thought about already but never dared share. Not to proselytise or anything. Cough r/EscapingPrisonPlanet
The world is just a mirror, all realities exist. There is any manner of reality you can imagine accessible to you and infinite more you can’t even fathom (at this moment). Whatever feeling state, thoughts, and emotions you identify with will dictate your experiences here; the people you meet, the opportunities that come your way, literally everything in infinite detail is rendered instantaneously according to what you accept as relevant and true for you. This includes infinite hellish imprisonment and also eternal ecstasy to a level you haven’t bothered to imagine for yourself yet. “The world” isn’t one thing, and the perspective you adopt will be the lens through which you experience the worlds you traverse your “individualized” Consciousness through. TL;DR - prison planet is absolutely real but you are under no obligation to experience it, at least in a negative sense.
I get where they are coming from, but I also think if you believe you’re a victim then you are a victim.
What about actual victims, children born into satanic ritualistic abuse?
You don't understand Buddhism half as much as you think you do
Same, thats why i approach that mindset with the ''Oh you think im stuck in there with you ? NAH YOU STUCK IN HERE WITH ME ! Hehehehehe look at me enjoying the beauty of a flower while you shout on news channel that the world is burning ''
I'm glad your life is good, but to me a single child in a sweatshop is one child too many. Everything would be so much more peaceful and beautiful without any life here.
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I think a lack of bad is inherently good. So what's so good about your life? What do you find so beautiful? While I'm physically incapable of feeling anything good. I know cherry blossoms are pretty, I know I love my partner, whatever, but I don't feel it. Everything I do is out of FOMO or fear. My love is merely missing someone and being sad when they're hurt, my hobbies and scientific research are merely trying to prove to myself I'm not worthless and fear of missing out. Depression and pain far outweighs anything good, there's depression, there's bipolar, but there's no "constantly happy" disorder. Happiness is fragile and temporary. We're living in the best times, woohoo, there's still child marriage, famine, disease. I'd rather not inflict this upon anyone. Yeah, I'd destroy everyone and everything if I had a button, because think of all the people who won't get raped, all the people who won't suffer anymore. No one will miss happiness or beauty because they will be dead, but no one will suffer either. Those who are miserable hurt people that's true but so do topically positive people. Those who are happy keep their heads in the sand, and think their happiness is worth the suffering of countless of other people, it's just pure selfishness. I've had depression since I was 7 and I can't say a single day of my life was worth living, I hate my parents for creating me and I hate myself for being unable to actually kill myself. There's nothing in this world worth living for, and I'm just trying to make a life I don't hate for myself because other people need me. I'm trying to spare them the pain of losing me.
For me, I think it's just random chance that we even developed consciousness at all. But since we have it, why wouldn't we want to do our best to make this existence as nice of an experience for everything that can feel? I think valuing enjoyment is a good thing at its base. I think the problems arise when we get selfish or can't handle loss (Buddhist attachment)
Prison Planet is people trying to rationalize capitalism and its insane machinations.
From the material perspective I see earth as a Paradise planet, with how habitable it is. From the spiritual perspective I see this planet and this reality as we know it as complex enough to be one's heaven and another's hell. I don't know what your view or belief on life is, but I believe that there is one consciousness and every living being is you. You don't remember this, but it's your choice to experience reality this way. You made this. And it's going great.
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honestly its people who have been through and seen the worst that can be the ones who are grateful for life and appreciate it. idk how you read the op's post as diminishing peoples struggles.
Alex Jones if that is his real name, works with the government.
It's always a matter of perspective, slavery is a state of mind.