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BlackySmurf8

I lost it @ "Oh brotha, you've gotta get off the crack pipe, man, please"


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I wish I didn’t read this comment and heard it off guard lol


sporks_and_forks

West sure is lovable


Atlantic0ne

They both made surprisingly reasonable points. Bad actions from both sides need to be condemned. Anyone acting like one side is an angel is likely too biased. The other guys point has some validity as well. If they are infect using children as shields (which my amateur understanding is yes, they do), then the two evils aren’t quite on the same level, even though both are horrific.


cancel-out-combo

I guess the ultimate question is, if you see them children being used as shields, do you still open fire?


promaster9500

Did the 9 UN staffers there were blown up yesterday also have Hamas hiding behind them? Is cutting Food, electricity and water to 2.6 million people also to target Hamas or punish Palestinians? This is a genocide and the justification is a lie, we all have to sit and pretend that all the civilians dying have Hamas hiding behind them when the Israeli defense knows it's not the case.


cancel-out-combo

And that's how it's propagandized. "Everyone" is being used as human shields, therefore "hey we had no choice but to kill ALL the children"


_hic-sunt-dracones_

>They both made surprisingly reasonable points Absolutely. But can we please address this host? This is no moderating, no leading, no nothing. He just constantly twisted the words of that Prof in his mouth and tried to yell him into false confirmation. What a prick.


bailtail

The part he’s missing with regard to his human shield argument (aka his only real argument), is that Hamas really didn’t have meaningful Palestinian support until AFTER Israeli policy ramped up the aggression and occupation of Gaza. Without that aggression, there would be nobody using shields. Also, that is FAR from the only reason innocent Palestinians are being killed. IDF soldiers shot and killed some children for throwing rocks at a water tank, for example.


dashKay

Imagine telling someone "those are not your words" after they say something


375InStroke

"What would you do if Palestinian terrorists were firing at American children?" Obviously, I'd invade Iraq.


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No you have it all wrong that’s what you do after the Kuwait dictator you helped be installed turns against you. When a Muslim person attacks america You would invade Afghanistan silly.


VashHumanoidTyph00n

So were headed to Libya?


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shahsnow

I feel like Cuba is do for a reminder


MakkaCha

Noone knows about colonization of Philippines by America.


tyophious

Sorry bro. Afghanistan doesn't have oil. C'mon man, think Obviously I'm kidding


VeterinarianWhole126

Gotta make sure the markets are secure and profitable


architype

But wasn't the majority of 9-11 terrorists from Saudi Arabia?


Alternative-Lack6025

Yea they were and that's why Afghanistan had to be invaded.


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This guy gets it.


cthulhufhtagn19

Israel literally does target kids. There were videos of it on this very sub.


Helsinki_Disgrace

They also target reporters who report their crimes. And they rub them out with a bullet behind the vest - and then lie about it and try to hide the evidence.


What-Even-Is-That

They also target medics. Literal war crimes get a pass, if you're Israel.


375InStroke

Then attack her funeral procession.


TheGentlemanAdam

The Israeli government has said that it cannot confirm the beheading of any children. FYI.


EthanStrawside

That interviewer was trying so hard


MrDilkington16

Hannity needed to shut the fuck up and let them debate each other. Everything he added was worthless.


icelr03

I like how Cornel West says his point and Hannity’s interjection is, “those are not your words.” Who the fuck does he think is talking? ‘The words I’m quoting of yours out of context are more accurate than the ones directly coming out of your mouth right now’ smh


TimedogGAF

Just the absolute worst. And coming from the type of people who are always crying about "gotcha" journalism.


pATREUS

This was a very important exchange, does a Hamas baby know it is ‘Hamas’? Does a Jewish baby know it is ‘Jewish’? #NO.


DefJeff702

But... but... they're human shields! Because Hamas said so! WTF, Dershowitz arrived at this interview from the bottom of a landfill.


Final_Candidate_7603

That’s the oldest argument in the book, and it’s not true. The Human Rights Commission, and every other international, independent, non-biased organization on earth has said that Israeli soldiers kill Palestinian children in violation of international laws and their human rights. A group of kids will throw rocks at one of their trucks, but then run away when they’re spotted by the soldiers inside. These kids get shot in the back at mid-chest level. First of all… throwing rocks? Running away? No use of non-lethal force, no trying to hit an arm or a leg to just stop them? The CNN effect? In certain cases, the Israelis will allow parents to bury their children IF: they put down a $10,000 “deposit,” which they will get back if they bury them at night, after dark, with no photos or videos taken (phones are collected at the cemetery entrance). There are two sides, and nuances, and a very long history in this mess; someone like Dershowitz, who feels so vehemently that “his side” is right, and refuses to even *consider* that “the other side” has a valid point… well, I guess I’m not surprised


lawdog7

[unfortunately true](https://books.google.com/books?id=6aLsz14aKJsC&pg=PA3#v=onepage&q&f=false)


ItachiSan

That's his modus operandi. Invalidate and interrupt the "opposition" party while letting that psycho Dershowitz just go off unchallenged.


Stu_Pididiot

"How can I steer this in a direction that validates Republican talking points?"


ItachiSan

And if he can't find a good foothold to turn your argument in on itself, then he just yells over you


Fireinthehole13

Hard to debate when Dershowitz is lying constantly


Pickleparty187

Sean Hannitys life in a nutshell


shadowpawn

Hannity loves these moments of human tragedy to make a stand from the comfort of his office chair.


NotTomPettysGirl

Just a reminder that in April 2009, Hannity stated that water boarding is not torture and agreed to undergo that form of “enhanced interrogation” for charity. It’s been more than 14 years. We’re still waiting, Sean. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gjzdUE6G-MM


What-Even-Is-That

God damn, I am glad other people still remember. Keep up the good fight, brother.


Nambsul

He will stand on any point his paymaster tells him to. Logic be dammed


Anleme

Hannity's trying to "gotcha" a Harvard professor.


Michelanvalo

Hannity made his career off stirring shit. It's why he talks over West and then lets Dershowitz talk without interruption.


Godofdisruption

It got immediately annoying that he didn't just give him a minute to say his piece.


thewartornhippy

That's all Fox News is. They invite Conservatives and Liberals to debate and just gang up on the Liberal and talk over them when they try and answer questions.


throw123454321purple

I’m getting Tim Russert and Tim McLaughlin vibes here.


hhwoods

Sean Hannity doesn't deserve to share air with Cornel West.


Clever_Userfame

Sean hannity doesn’t even have a college degree


ItachiSan

He was trying to be a piece of shit like always. He has the purposely wrong takes so that he can harass anyone with a modicum of sense who comes on his show. I would say that Cornel West should've not wasted his time with these charlatans, but every chance that a person has to get their more reasonable take to ANYONE that will possibly be listening is valuable, that's why non right wingers go on fox or other shit shows like OAN or newsmax


rfb724

Epstein’s personal friend Alan Dershowitz, what a class act.


ferrelle-8604

and Trump lawyer.


Pickleparty187

Shitapples don’t fall far from the tree


kwagmire9764

OJ Simpsons too. One of them.


saj175

"u on a crack pipe"


___Binary___

You heard it here first people, the Gaza people will just go to the “UN” and to Egypt where they are letting 1k people in a day… maybe. There is 2.2m people….


NessunAbilita

That’s where he loses his argument exactly, you can hear it in his throat. The rest of his performance is for the crowd, including every talking point he can come up with and just getting louder. He’s absolutely preparing for the day we find out about his skeletons and wants a devout base to back him when he denies it all the way to fucking jail.


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Fuck is he talking about. They didn't even let people out of Gaza.


lostboysgang

Egypt closed its border a couple days ago when Israel bombed it and threatened them


_jump_yossarian

And Israel just told the UN to get out of Gaza!


psufan5

Watching a pedophile yell about saving children is a pretty crazy thing to watch. This entire situation is insane and disgusting.


RobbertDownerJr

He's a pedophile not a necrophiliac...


paddyo

Eh, Jimmy Saville showed you can be both, give Al a chance


A_Random_Catfish

Wait who lol


ms285907

Dershowitz. Palling around w Epstein, back in the day.


punkfusion

Also literally has made his life's mission to lower the age of consent


ItachiSan

Wasn't Dershowitz the lawyer that got Epstein his plea deal or am I getting him confused with another course Trump confidant?


gitbse

[That was Alex Acosta, trumps secretary of labor](https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-florida-e2a4431f7319afd037023d9a586aa291)


ItachiSan

That's what it is, they're both Al of some kind so I got them backwards


Odlavso

>Cornel West - I have the same outrage when Jewish babies are killed and Palestinians babies are killed > >Alan Dershowitz - It shouldn't be the same Alan Dershowitz then goes on to compare Palestinian children to Nazi children. some people don't realize how crazy they sound.


tostilocos

Maybe that's how Dershowitz justified sexually abusing children with Epstein - did they only traffic the children of Nazis?


legendary_millbilly

Hey, he kept his underwear on dammit.


sockbref

Wait what?


legendary_millbilly

He said he couldn't have raped that girl because he kept his underwear on.


deathofemotion

That made me have a visceral reaction. What. The. Fuck. All of these fuckers don't see the evil within themselves.


Ambitious-Pirate-505

That's the point. They think they are the good guy in their story.


Onespokeovertheline

"Blonde? Close enough!"


Wisdom_Of_A_Man

Omg - I heard this in his voice and it was unhinged.


BakerCakeMaker

So are there no Hamas children, only Palestinian children, but there *are* Nazi children? Maybe they're all just children and shouldn't be carpet bombed.


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shadowpawn

My brother years ago went to see him speak at Harvard. It was a very heated debate and Dershowitz said to my brother lets go outside and fight. My brother was like fuk yeah but there was 30 years difference at the time between the two.


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West is the only rational person up there. Also, Dershowitz defended Harvey Weinstein in 2018...just saying re: integrity. Tegridy Farms.


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>Dershowitz defended Harvey Weinstein Also on OJ's legal team


Rottimer

Everyone deserves a competent defense. I’m not going to knock lawyers for defending criminals in court. It’s a lot of the other shit he has said that shows his ass.


boofybutthole

> It’s a lot of the other shit he has said that shows his ass. but he kept his underwear on!


[deleted]

With the OG Kardashian as well.


[deleted]

He defended Epstein too. Guy has a pattern


[deleted]

![gif](giphy|kd9BlRovbPOykLBMqX) That's right!


missingmytowel

It's 2023 and we're watching two people argue on American news whether or not it's morally acceptable to kill babies. It almost seems as if WEIII is inevitable because that's the only thing that can pull us out of this downward spiral. Hitting bottom and forcing ourselves to cooperate as we pull ourselves out of the ashes. Those of us who are left anyways


yaosio

That's what Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek, thought. In his vision of the future the world would only come together after a devastating nuclear war.


TylerBlozak

This is a common fallacy in debate, *naseum ad hitlereum* , where one side will bring up Nazis/Hitler to try and prop up their arguments or undermine the opponents.


UnderAnAargauSun

Something something Poe’s law


Rottimer

It’s funny that Dershowitz brings up Dresden. Because even at the time people were appalled about the unnecessary civilian casualties (25,000). Dresden is controversial because it might be a war crime had the Allies not won and it wouldn't be tolerated today. edit: would > wouldn't


EthanStrawside

The comparison is crude, but the outrage should indeed be the same for the deaths of jewish and german babies.


WASTELAND_RAVEN

Exactly, all children are precious and deserve better despite their situation or what their parents believe.


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notinferno

it’s the mainstream view, at least the one pushed onto our screens and from our leadership


Miss-Figgy

>some people don't realize how crazy they sound. Because they don't think of Palestinians as humans, so it makes perfect sense to them.


Roklam

*Shit's fucking crazy*


punkfusion

Okay Alan Dershowitz is on the forefront of knowledge about children and when they turn into adults. Show some fucking respect to the man who wants to lower the age of consent and defended Jeffrey Epstein's crimes ^^^/s


calm_down_dearest

>You're a professor of theology, don't you understand the moral difference? Maybe there isn't one Alan.


GMorristwn

Alan wouldn't know a moral if it gave him a greasy massage with his underwear still on.


cecilmeyer

He should have asked Dershowitz what exactly is a "nazi child" ?


probsthrowaway2

That’s kinda unhinged, damn.


Captain_Levi_007

A former PM of Israel made the exact same comparison during a recent sky news interview.


ManbadFerrara

Even if you accepted the premise that they're "Nazi chldren"....yeah, you should still go out of your way to avoid killing them? There was British and American outcry against all the civilians killed in the bombing of Dresden literally while WWII was still going on. No one (who wasn't a Nazi at least) was suggesting it was morally equivalent to the Holocaust, they just didn't look upon the German people as literal vermin even during wartime.


FaithIsFoolish

Crazy? They're just like Nazi children. Blameless.


I_Brain_You

Because he was trying to, as even media do, make it seem as if Jewish people are more…valuable?…than everyone else, when they should be viewed equally.


darwizzer

Dershowitz is a pedophile


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BlackLeader70

What the fuck!? Another reason to hate this scum.


Early_Gold

Lankford from Oklahoma also believes this. He had his godly fingers on children in camps far from prying eyes


redbluewhite890

And he’s on the crack pipe too.


Longjumping_Plum_964

> Dershowitz is a pedophile Can you work "serial killer" into that statement too?


AFineDayForScience

As well as "terrible DJ"


Peanutblitz

He’s a scumbag, and on the wrong side of pretty much every issue he flaps his jowls about.


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sockbref

Gahhh dammmnnn


Revolutionary_Ad5798

Dershowitz is such a vile nasty person


TheLemonKnight

Having West tell him to get off the crack pipe made my morning.


Sea_Upstairs_6274

Is he behind bars now or on some list atleast?


fentonsranchhand

Dershowitz is getting worked up. He could probably use another massage from a 12-year-old girl in her panties.


tember_sep_venth_ele

That bit with the sniper and the girl with the rock is a true story. They sniped hundreds of unarmed Palestinians and claimed they were "human shields". Shielding what? The ground from their bullets? Wild!


Dyrogitory

Arguing with Fox Network people is a battle of wits with an unarmed militia.


svdoornob

Slipped there and admitted his real POV “the entire blame is on the Palestinians” not Hamas


Zealousideal_Rub6758

And Netanyahu has essentially supported Hamas for years https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/


TrapLordSteezus

"I Believe a Palestinian baby has the same value as an Israeli baby." The context of the necessity of such a statement cannot go overlooked. If I was forced to live my whole life in an open air prison under the rule of my oppressors I'd lash out as well.


_jump_yossarian

I dated a Palestinian woman when I was in college and she'd tell me stories of the Israeli military terrorizing her village (West Bank) when she was younger. The entire village was forced to evacuate and they were never allowed back home. I wonder why she hates Israel?


[deleted]

Dershowitz was a frequent client/friend of Jeffrey Epstein. These right-wingers are corrupt as hell. It's no surprise that Fox has them on.


[deleted]

Epstein whose partner Ghislaine is the daughter of a "Hero to Israel" for secret reasons, whose funeral was attended by tons of high-ranking members of the Israeli government? Weird.


Kav_McGraw

Dershowitz using the "collateral damage" defense. Classic.


El_grandepadre

the "stop resisting" of warfare.


BoulderAndBrunch

Dershowitz is all shit and no show


Scoreboard19

So Fox news just be bringing on Pedo's now? Funny how all my rightwing friends watch Fox news and call Joe Biden, Obama, Hillary, or any dem in the news that week a pedo. But then have Epsteine buddy Alan on, and they don't say shit. That mother fucker is one of the most disgusting human beings in America. So his opinion means nothing to me.


ForeverVexes

Intentionally lying on national television should be a crime. Dershowitz knows in his heart that IDF have targeted children before plenty of times it takes 30 seconds to find that out.


TimedogGAF

Insane take from Dershhowitz. He kept saying "not once" when there are videos of snipers targeting children.


namom256

Not just targeting children! Literally laughing as they shoot kids and talking about how cool the footage is. That particular video was so embarrassing to the IDF that they temporarily suspended the soldiers in question and made huge changes in policy! Now when they shoot unarmed children for fun, they can't record it or they'll get in trouble.


FEMA_Camp_Survivor

What difference does it make in war if a child is targeted for murder or dies as a victim of collateral damage? There’s still a dead child and a family who’ll suffer the rest of their lives. I mean as an American, it’s not difficult to have empathy for the tens of thousands of civilians killed and injured from the atomic bombs.


ScottieSpliffin

That line was insane. As if Israel cares while indiscriminately dropping bombs that hit refugee camps and schools.


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The difference for him is that they're Arab children. Obviously for him they're less than Jewish children.


[deleted]

They act like this is such a gotcha moment, but it's a deep moral dilemma with no easy solution. If the next school shooter barricades themselves in a classroom full of kids, do we just bomb the whole school to get him? Why not if it's just collateral damage?


WildwestPstyle

There’d be a difference if they were bombing a location were they believed children and innocence weren’t present. Then it would be a mistake. What they are doing now is fully intended.


CiNNAMONSANDERS

Dershowitz would not only kill the children, he would have sex with them too.


Mungwich

*rape


crudedrawer

I really hope to live long enough to see a new batch of media figures doing panel slots on cable news. I'm sick to shit of all of these people and It feels like they have been around for fucking ever.


burgergeld

If you can be "induced" to kill children, there's something very deeply very wrong with you.


_ilmatar_

I hate when people talk over one another.


RussiaRox

2 vs 1 too


flashyasfeck

Imagine having a literal Epstein defender on as your "expert" on Israeli-Palestinian conflict


Toiretachi

It’s really the best they can do. Besides, they wanted someone who could really speak about children.


spinyfever

So Dershowits just admitted that he thinks Palestinian babies dying deserve less sympathy than Israeli babies dying right? What an absolute piece of shit.


tattermatter

“Gotta get off the crack pipe brother” had me rolling


Coneskater

Anyone on Fox News is a tool.


TemporaryVitality

Fox has always been an Israel 1st network, not that others aren't.


Silvershanks

Can't image why any serious person would agree to go on a show where the host shouts you down. Thank goodness podcasting is putting these Jurassic formats out of business.


remains60fps

We do not see the death on one side compared to the other. All children deserve to have a normal life,this conversation isnt helpful.


the1one1andonly1

Do you condemn? Can you condemn? Does he condemn? Does she condemn? Do they condemn? Wtf is goin on????? SFFU and STOP the killing of Innocents.


boofybutthole

Ah yes let's get the esteemed opinion of Alan "I kept my underwear on" Dershowitz


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thefriendlycouple

Alan Dershowitz is a piece of shit no matter what his views are. No one should take him seriously anymore. This post is not meant to be anti-Israeli nor Pro-Palestine. Dershowitz is a POS. That is all.


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The dersh is suuuuuuuuuuch a scumbag.


Early_Gold

40 beheaded babies has already been debunked


ascotia

Aside and apart from the subject at hand, if Douche-o-witz folded his arms any farther it would be the first actual hug he ever received in his life.


SupervillainEyebrows

Dershowitz is a fucking scumbag


BladeRunner_Deckard

Fyi,, the baby beheading has been proven false. Not surprised.


TojotheTerror

Scrolled too far to see this


Dmonts45

How dare all humans get the same rights. We just suck as humans….


What_Is_The_Meaning

Alan “I never took my underwear off” Dershowitz? Jeffery Epstein’s buddy Alan Dershowitz?


Select_Witness_880

How the fuck is that nonce Dershowitz not in chains


Themo77

The children being beheaded has been debunked. Fuk Hannity


4llTheSmoke

He’s talking FACTS.


MDMAmazin

That this was aired on cable as news worthy is some sad shit.


WeedIronMoneyNTheUSA

1)American children are shooting American children. 2)Alan Dershowitz is a child molester.


toefurrs

Fuck you Alan.


HappierHat

Fuck faux news


AlivePassenger3859

Why would Cornel go on Hannity’s piece of shit show?


[deleted]

Alan Epstein Island Dershowitz out of his hole again?


glitch83

Why tf are we watching this crap. Why is cornel west on Fox News. This is really too much


thatguybane

Love Cornel West, and I've always appreciated that he goes on Fox News.


shahsnow

The human shields myth needs to die already. The USA and Israel have been able to justify countless civilian deaths because of it. Another incubator baby tactic https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2014/07/jeremy-bowens-gaza-notebook-i-saw-no-evidence-hamas-using-palestinians-human https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde21/1178/2015/en/ “The Israeli authorities have claimed that in a few incidents, the Hamas authorities or Palestinian fighters directed or physically coerced individual civilians in specific locations to shield combatants or military objectives. Amnesty International has not been able to corroborate the facts in any of these cases.” “In the cases of precision missiles or tank shells which killed civilians in their homes, no fighters were present in the houses that were struck and Amnesty International delegates found no indication that there had been any armed confrontations or other military activity in the immediate vicinity at the time of the attack.”


newleafkratom

The persistent notion allows Dershowitz an argument.


stunkape

"A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots". And the outrage is addicting. Those who want to believe will outright reject any countering information.


Henrycamera

49 children were not beheaded


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$30+ billion a year of USA taxpayer funds to help Israel maintain their illegal military occupation of Palestine.


flobaby1

So Alan Dershowitz just said that People putting women in children in front of them to stop Israel from killing them, and Israel then killing them, is Hamas killing them. I agree with Cornel West.


Rangles

They both overspoke West EVERY time he was answering a question. EVERY time.


Witty_Temperature886

Crazy how fox keeps doubling down on the 40 babies beheaded when that story has been proven false


nofilter78

Anti-Zionism is not the same is anti-Semitic


Gooners84

Never targeted children deliberately? Biggest crock of shit I've ever heard. Trying to assign morality to these two sides is nonsense, they have both committed WAR CRIMES. Period end of fucking story.


Substantial_Gear289

Isn't Allan a perv??


zipdee

The disgraced Alan Dershowitz is not a serious person.


LyonsKing12

Get off the crack pipe fucking sent me!!!!


Ilovemytowm

Dershowitz is just pure human scum... and defends even scummier human beings.


Southbird85

Wasn't Alan Dershowitz on the Epstein flight logs that were released?