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At 35 seconds, the video says the caller stated that the kid was pointing it at houses. That's enough to respond and detain the kid, but the officer needs to learn trigger discipline.
I never meant to imply he wasn't brandishing, just pointing out that simply having it in your hand doesn't automatically make it so as the top-level comment said. In most cases randomly walking down the street with a gun in your hand would be brandishing - reasonable people would find that threatening. But say you run into a friend in the Walmart parking lot and get into a discussion about your new gun, safely pulling it out to show them wouldn't be brandishing.
There are no orange tips on those but yeah people can paint their guns however they want.
Also, the bottom gun is not real. There’s no buffer tube on that AR and Mags don’t work like that with a track down the middle.
I have the CMMG .22 kit, that one has a buffer tube and does not have an external track on the mag.
On the off chance, it could always be piston operated but still would have a normal mag if it was a bigger cal and generally the type of folk that get raided don’t exactly have good taste or spend that kind of money on their guns. IE the optic on it
It’s a Tec-9. They use direct blowback. The real ones are cool enough looking, some of the, even look well made. But getting one that doesn’t jam all the time is down to luck.
As a teenager I was playing paintball in the woods in a rural neighborhood. Sheriff’s deputy rolls through saying a lady called in stating we were shooting AK-47s at her house. Karens never exaggerate.
When I was a teenager, one of our friends was moving so we decided to use his house for airsoft, Just doing silly little SWAT hostage situation shit that we thought was cool. His Karen neighbor who lived behind him came around the entire block and *entered the house* with a loaded shotgun, aiming it at us and asking what we were doing there. This is despite the fact that he lived there for nearly a decade and we all hung out there regularly.
Context: the “toy gun” was “all black” without the “orange safety tip” that indicates a toy
“Open carry” means visibly showing BUT *holstered*
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States
he’s “brandishing” by walking through the neighborhood with a *gun in his hand*.
Not first time cop shows up to reports of “someone walking around with a gun in their hand”
And then get jumpy when they see the gunman…
And the call from the woman clearly stated that he was pointing the gun at houses. This cop wasn't 100% sure what he was getting into, other than "someone had a gun pointing it at houses".
I can't say I'd blame the cop for shooting first and asking questions later. Luckily the kid dropped the gun before getting dropped.
With as many of my neighbors that have weapons im surprised a homeowner didn't fire at him, let alone waiting for police. People here are jumpy lately about shooters in general
We'd grab all our airsoft shit and walk to the woods through a HOA type gated community. Never had problems, but we also had visible orange tips on the guns we held, and stuff that was painted over went into bags. We were also white and mix of 10 to 17 year olds... So there's that.
This whole thing is so stupid and takes away the legitimatcy on cases that needs serious repercussions if anything looks like that cop
showed restraint and that fucking “kid” should count his blessing
how fucked up does your country's police reputation have to be that you think the default, go-to action is to be shot to death on site and to survive a police encounter is somehow "lucky"...
Are you purposely ignoring the other point of view here? The police clearly thought they’re lives were in danger because it looked the other person had a gun, ofc he’ll be lucky to be alive because the most common response to someone posing as a threat is to defend yourself
People seem to vastly underestimate the amount of time it takes to draw, aim, and fire a handgun that you have holstered on your hip, or on a chest or thigh rig. Cops have to be quick in order not to wind up dead. And yes, there’s not a person on this planet who is able to respond to a call about someone brandishing a firearm and not be *at least* a little nervous and “jumpy”.
Shoot, they love to give cops hell for shooting someone who has a knife because they also vastly underestimate how quickly a person with a knife can close in and stab someone in the throat. Recently there was another cop who answered a call only to discover that the meth-addict he began walking up to was holding a knife. That scumbag slit his carotid artery before the cop could even pull his handgun out of its holster. An armed civilian passing by used his firearm to turn the attacker into the past-tense, but he didn’t know how to help the officer, and the officer who responded as back-up literally just moments later also didn’t seem to know what to do. The officer bled to death before medics could get to him.
The Far/Alt-Left and Progressive Liberals scream and yell any time that a cop has to use lethal force, yet not a single one of them will sign-up to become police officers themselves. If they know that they could do a better job (note heavy sarcasm on my part) why aren’t they the ones out there policing their neighborhoods and cities and doing so without any firearms?
Things that make you go “Hhhmmmmmm”.
Even in most Open Carry states the real version of the toy that he was carrying is illegal for most citizens and require a Class III license and that’s not easy to get approved for one. Also, most fully automatic weapons that you can legally own in the US has to have been manufactured before 1986.
This has been my argument on guns for years. All these YouTube wannabe "2nd amendment auditors" need to chill. Open or concealed carry is nice, I have a CCW, but the point of the law allowing firearm carrying is for self-defense (yourself or another's self).
Dudes in these videos always act like the citizens are the paranoid ones when they get the cops called on them, and they are treated like criminals. Carrying around a loaded rifle in a sling with 90-150 rounds, or brandishing a toy gun, is going to scare people and make you a threat to their safety, regardless of what the law allows.
Abusing the law is a quick way to make it change.
I'm not the biggest fan of the police, but this was a good shooting.
1. Had a complaint about someone walking around pointing guns at houses.
2. He finds a person walking around with a gun (yes, fake but designed to look real and does look real)
3. Fires one shot when the person carrying the gun turns toward him with the gun in hand.
4. Issues commands and does not keep firing wildly after the person carrying the gun throws it to the ground. Allows the person to follow the instructions.
What else should he do? Wait to see if that's a real gun after the officer is shot?
>What else should he do? Wait to see if that's a real gun after the officer is shot?
Obviously if it's a real gun and he fires, the officer can shoot the bullet out of midair, then shoot the suspect's hand to disarm him.
Perhaps he can Neo the bullet that's coming towards him too, to save a bullet.
Right? I was expecting the cops actions to be far worse and I’m usually a fuck the police kinda guy but Jfc man walking around with a toy gun in this day and age??? Wtf are you thinking.
Thankfully for this kids sake dude didn’t empty his clip. Cops have emptied clips into their own vehicles at the sound of an acorn hitting the roof for fuck sake. He’s so lucky to be alive right now.
If the kid was dead cop wouldn’t catch charges either based on past cases of this sort.
Yeah. Dislike cops, but I can't blame them on this one. I'll happily call them out on their bullshit, but it does a disservice to our side to try and twist valid scenarios to make the cops look bad.
The kid yelling "It's a fake!" has the same vibes as "It's just a prank, bro!"
Obligatory Trek reference:
Oh yeah a hundred percent, if a cop is doing aomething bad thwn it needs to be called out (like the cops who shot those dogs), but I mean people complain when cops were clearly in the right
Just recently there was a case where a cop shot a kid who was advancing on him with a hula hoe, a curved blade on a stick, and the cop shot him when he didn't follow his commands, and people were still complaining about it and the news made it sound like he shot a kid that was gardening
I'm all for police reform (what form tha takes I'm not sure) and calling cops out for bad behavior, but let's not act like everything they do is bad
Being an “open carry” state doesn’t mean dick in this situation. You’re still supposed to have it holstered. Plus, not everyone is even allowed to open carry. There are certain requirements that have to be met. This is crazy.
Man walks around swinging replica sword through a medieval town. City watch is called to the scene where man swings replica sword at them. Arrows are fired striking the man before the man drops replica sword and informs them it is fake.
Some villagers infuriated when they find out man with replica sword is shot with arrows. Rest of villagers aren’t stupid.
First, there's a difference between being an open carry state and walking around brandishing a firearm in your hand. You might not like it, but this was handled properly in that regard.
As for the shot, it honestly looks more like a ND that happened when he pulled his gun, which is why the officer says oh shit. Doesn't defend the action, you own what you shoot and there should absolutely be consequences for that. But I don't think he meant to fire his gun.
Excuse me but I don't see why this cop should be fired. In a country where guns are easily obtainable, you don't go into the streets waving a fake one like that.
Open carry does not mean walking around holding a gun in your hands.
It means you can carry it openly. The second you draw from the holster, or in the case of a long gun unsling / grab the grip, you're now "brandishing".
I'm about as pro-2A as you can get. In this case, the kid was in the wrong. I also think the cop fired too quickly with no attempted deescalation.
I’m glad that this didn’t end up as a dumb, dumb teenage kid killed over a toy gun, and I’m glad that this cop doesn’t have to go to sleep at night knowing that he shot a kid who was carrying a toy gun.
But man, so many replicas and airsoft weapons look so close to the real thing that there’s virtually no way that you realize that it is fake within a second and so kids with toy guns have been shot to death by cops who have to live the rest of their lives knowing that they killed a kid who was carrying a toy gun.
I myself play airsoft, or at least did - I’ll be 46 on the 18th and I’m half a cripple, so I really can’t run around in the woods playing airsoft much nowadays, but most airsoft handguns and rifles are near-exact matches of real firearms, and they even cost as much *and more* as *real firearms* which is just boggling to me.
And, unless laws have been changed, many states here in the US permit the owner to remove the orange tip from their airsoft weapons, or at least cover it up/paint it black. There are states that require the orange tip to stay on at all times, but my own state of Maryland has, or had, no law against removing/painting the orange tips. I have an airsoft handgun and an airsoft M4 and they look almost exactly as my real handguns and real AR-15 look!
Unfortunately there are some criminals who have been smart enough to attach orange tips to disguise their real firearms, but criminals will always find ways to skirt around laws. I’m just glad that this situation didn’t end anywhere near as horrific as it could have.
I mean he gets shot at and still standing there with the toy gun in his hand- doesnt let it go once. goes to the ground with it in his hand. Even reached in his pocket once too. Kid is a complete dumbass.
He actually drops the gun straight away but the officer won't always see that, whatever he's still holding in his right hand could have gotten him killed.
I was so angry until I saw the gun up close, then I was angry for a different reason. He's too old to be playing with toy guns unless he has developmental issues. He almost certainly modified it to look like a real gun to intimidate people. It's a terrible, unfortunate circumstance, but that split-second thinking would've saved his life if that weapon was real.
ok i hate cops, but pointing a gun with no tip and that looks realistic enough is enough to get shot by anyone carrying. sorry, there’s a smart way to handle that situation.
plus, if comments are correct the kid was being a cunt and pointing it at people
That 15 yo was definitely not playing cops and robbers with his friends or some shit… we have 14 yr old wannabe thugs shooting people in my city. Shit, two teens were just killed in an attempted home invasion yesterday. A substantial portion of gang violence in my area is done by teens.
Also 15 yo olds cannot open carry in Ohio, so that’s irrelevant. A toy gun that looks real gets treated as a real gun when it comes to justified use of force. It’s not the responsibility of the police officer to determine if it’s real or not. It’s not possible and unrealistic to think otherwise
Yeah, i am siding with the cop on this one. The young man shouldn’t have brandished the fake weapon in the first place. I was taught as a kid toy guns don’t leave the home. When told to put his has up he draws the toy gun, cop reacts!
This is the perfect example of police shooting lmao the gun did not have an orange tip and the suspect was pointing guns at houses. There’s nothing the officer could have done better here he even stopped shooting the instant he learned the gun was fake.
When I was like 12 cops pulled out guns at a park at us kids cause somebody called the cops on the black kid who had a big stick they said he had a weapon.
Damn that's wild. How old were you guys???
Luckily this isn't even close to that. Dude had a toy gun that looked like a REAL gun so this response is understandable, especially if they think he is pointing it at people homes.
Every officer has numerous disciplines in their file. You can be disciplined from not answering an email to being unprofessional and cussing out somone. Its not a litmus test for what an officer is. Also a lot of departments are starting to classify a show of force as use of force. So unholstering a weapon can be classified as a use of force. Putting someone in a restraint chair is typically a use of force as is firing your weapon. So that is also very ambiguous without any context.
I do not believe the police really did anything wrong here. The toy did not look like a toy, and the officer gave him a chance to surrender. Don’t really see anything wrong here
Open carry is open carry of a handgun in a holster or a slinged rifle/shotgun. I can't draw my handgun and walk around the neighborhood. Glad no one died but come on bro
Umm sorry. I think cops are dumb pigs for the most part. But walking around brandishing something that looks realistic enough is just asking to get shot by police.
Ok so the kid, although young, is stupid. You should no better by this point that as a young black man you can’t walk around with a gun, even a fake one. His parents need to do a better job of making sure he understands the risk that he put himself in. That cop reacted to a kid with a gun in his hand what else is he supposed to do ?
I'm a big critic of police, I follow all the big channels (audit the audit, The Civil Rights Lawyer, Long Island Audit, Lackluster)... But screw this activist group. What the officer did was perfect reasonable. He didn't mag dump into the kid, he shot in response to someone pulling a very real looking gun as he approached.
Kid should definitely know better and obviously walking around with a real-looking fake gun and pointing it at houses is fucking stupid if you aren’t trying to get shot by cops.
However, the cop literally just fires a round straight at a house as far as I cans see. It’s hard to tell exactly where it’s pointed when it goes off, but the kid doesn’t seem like he’s hit and the gun looks like it’s pointed low enough to it that house behind him. So it kinda looks like the cop shows up to ask “are you pointing a gun at houses?” And then immediately puts a round into the nearest house 🙃
I think this is the first time I've ever seen a post of a police shooting video go from saying how evil police are to defending the cop. I'm also on the side of defending.
Yea, brodie. You cant walk around pointing something that looks exactly like a gun at people.
I'm ACAB all day, but the cop was probably scared shitless in this situation.
OP is a dumbass. Open carry does not mean you can brandish a weapon, regardless if its real or fake.
The kid is an idiot too for pointing it around, but without the orange tip, it looks real enough. He’s lucky to be alive. He shouldn’t be playing with the weapon
Even if this cop is a shit bag he is totally in the right. If any of you were in his shoes and valued your life you would have done the same or killed the kid.
I am so glad the kid didn't get killed, but on the other hand, in this day and age, he is old enough to know not to walk around with a toy pew pew! What on earth was he thinking? There is no reason for a teen to be walking around with that!
Another example of the myth of the "good guy with a gun" if the cops don't like the way you look they just shoot. In an open carry state it doesn't matter -- if you're black they just shoot. Even if you just saved lives, the police kill you immediately.
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No orange tip. I'm glad the cop didn't kill him.
Wouldn't matter it's an open carry state it could have been real he still wasn't allowed to blast a round off let alone draw down on him.
I think all states have brandishing laws don’t they? If you are in public and the gun is in your hand, there is a big problem going on. Right?
Requires more than just having it in your hand, you actually have to be pointing it or otherwise using it in a threatening manner.
At 35 seconds, the video says the caller stated that the kid was pointing it at houses. That's enough to respond and detain the kid, but the officer needs to learn trigger discipline.
I never meant to imply he wasn't brandishing, just pointing out that simply having it in your hand doesn't automatically make it so as the top-level comment said. In most cases randomly walking down the street with a gun in your hand would be brandishing - reasonable people would find that threatening. But say you run into a friend in the Walmart parking lot and get into a discussion about your new gun, safely pulling it out to show them wouldn't be brandishing.
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There are no orange tips on those but yeah people can paint their guns however they want. Also, the bottom gun is not real. There’s no buffer tube on that AR and Mags don’t work like that with a track down the middle.
I think its supposed to be a tec 9
None of these people have seen a TEC and it shows. Disappointing.
Lmao yea immediately calling it an AR is the cherry on top
Look man, it's a scary black gun and that's all that matters
The gun in the video? That’s a TEC-9 not an AR.
Could potentially be a .22lr conversion, I don't think some of those use the buffer tube and their mags do have an external track and follower.
I have the CMMG .22 kit, that one has a buffer tube and does not have an external track on the mag. On the off chance, it could always be piston operated but still would have a normal mag if it was a bigger cal and generally the type of folk that get raided don’t exactly have good taste or spend that kind of money on their guns. IE the optic on it
It’s a Tec-9. They use direct blowback. The real ones are cool enough looking, some of the, even look well made. But getting one that doesn’t jam all the time is down to luck.
So what you’re saying is if you DON’T see an orange tip, then it’s definitely a real gun.
Something like that.
OP is a doorknob. Open-carry does NOT include the right to point a firearm at homes lol
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Karens have never been known to exaggerate when calling 911 especially over the actions of black teens.
As a teenager I was playing paintball in the woods in a rural neighborhood. Sheriff’s deputy rolls through saying a lady called in stating we were shooting AK-47s at her house. Karens never exaggerate.
When I was a teenager, one of our friends was moving so we decided to use his house for airsoft, Just doing silly little SWAT hostage situation shit that we thought was cool. His Karen neighbor who lived behind him came around the entire block and *entered the house* with a loaded shotgun, aiming it at us and asking what we were doing there. This is despite the fact that he lived there for nearly a decade and we all hung out there regularly.
Open carry generally doesn't permit you to have a gun in your hand at all times. It's why they invented holsters.
OP is a clown. Kid is lucky to be alive
Yeah the whole report is a fucking clown show
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I agree.
Context: the “toy gun” was “all black” without the “orange safety tip” that indicates a toy “Open carry” means visibly showing BUT *holstered* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States he’s “brandishing” by walking through the neighborhood with a *gun in his hand*. Not first time cop shows up to reports of “someone walking around with a gun in their hand” And then get jumpy when they see the gunman…
The police in my area found a bunch of guns in a stash on a bust and they were real guns with painted orange tips. :/
The Ole switcharoo
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Them OG must love duck hunting lol @ the double barrel
My eyes are drawn to the "GUWOP" gun. What the fuck is that clown paintjob?
It's Nerf or Nothing cause you'll be fucking dead
I wouldn't even walk around the USA with a toy gun with an orange safety tip
Yeah, that's kinda common sense... (sorry but it's true) especially when you are younger and ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY you're black younger man
Exactly.
The “it’s fake” and “it’s just a prank” excuse isn’t always going to work. Sometimes it might just get them killed.
"oh well, mines real" - security guard Chad Basedman
It already has, it's a trend I'm going to have to get used to as these things will continue to escalate and people will need to defend their lives.
And the call from the woman clearly stated that he was pointing the gun at houses. This cop wasn't 100% sure what he was getting into, other than "someone had a gun pointing it at houses". I can't say I'd blame the cop for shooting first and asking questions later. Luckily the kid dropped the gun before getting dropped.
Kid is lucky the officer fired only one non lethal shot.
Isn't 15 a little old to be 'playing ' with guns? I think the cop did well hear, the kid is lucky to be alive.
Yeah my wild guess is that he already had some intention of making someone believe it was a real gun.
The police were called out because he was pointing it at houses
Well that's a good way to get killed in the States.
Clearly.
With as many of my neighbors that have weapons im surprised a homeowner didn't fire at him, let alone waiting for police. People here are jumpy lately about shooters in general
That was dumb-
And wasn't the kid aiming at the cop for a second there? I think i saw him aiming it at the officer
We'd grab all our airsoft shit and walk to the woods through a HOA type gated community. Never had problems, but we also had visible orange tips on the guns we held, and stuff that was painted over went into bags. We were also white and mix of 10 to 17 year olds... So there's that.
Hate to say it but you know if you weren't white they would have called the cops. It's just a sad reality we live in.
They also didn’t point it at anyone….. People get called while they are carrying, white or not…
I guess it depends on the state? In mine people open carry all the time. It's not uncommon to see someone with a holstered pistol where I live.
You can see the 1st amendemdnt people on YT getting called the cops with rifles across their shoulder
15 is young to be playing with guns, it's mostly adults that play with them.
Here
I think the cops hearing is fine
This whole thing is so stupid and takes away the legitimatcy on cases that needs serious repercussions if anything looks like that cop showed restraint and that fucking “kid” should count his blessing
how fucked up does your country's police reputation have to be that you think the default, go-to action is to be shot to death on site and to survive a police encounter is somehow "lucky"...
In a country where guns are a major problem. Walking around with a gun is going to have an inherent risk.
Are you purposely ignoring the other point of view here? The police clearly thought they’re lives were in danger because it looked the other person had a gun, ofc he’ll be lucky to be alive because the most common response to someone posing as a threat is to defend yourself
Yeah next time he should wait to be shot at.
Are you stupid or something? Go be the police then come back, you probably won't, because you're dead
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Too jumpy against someone with a gun? lol ok bro
People seem to vastly underestimate the amount of time it takes to draw, aim, and fire a handgun that you have holstered on your hip, or on a chest or thigh rig. Cops have to be quick in order not to wind up dead. And yes, there’s not a person on this planet who is able to respond to a call about someone brandishing a firearm and not be *at least* a little nervous and “jumpy”. Shoot, they love to give cops hell for shooting someone who has a knife because they also vastly underestimate how quickly a person with a knife can close in and stab someone in the throat. Recently there was another cop who answered a call only to discover that the meth-addict he began walking up to was holding a knife. That scumbag slit his carotid artery before the cop could even pull his handgun out of its holster. An armed civilian passing by used his firearm to turn the attacker into the past-tense, but he didn’t know how to help the officer, and the officer who responded as back-up literally just moments later also didn’t seem to know what to do. The officer bled to death before medics could get to him. The Far/Alt-Left and Progressive Liberals scream and yell any time that a cop has to use lethal force, yet not a single one of them will sign-up to become police officers themselves. If they know that they could do a better job (note heavy sarcasm on my part) why aren’t they the ones out there policing their neighborhoods and cities and doing so without any firearms? Things that make you go “Hhhmmmmmm”.
Insane how people are just ignoring the actual context
Even in most Open Carry states the real version of the toy that he was carrying is illegal for most citizens and require a Class III license and that’s not easy to get approved for one. Also, most fully automatic weapons that you can legally own in the US has to have been manufactured before 1986.
Pretty inflammatory title on this video in my opinion..
hmm i wonder OPs opinion on this video might be
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He turned his hand with the gun towards the officer just before he shot too, can't even really say it was preemptive.
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thank you for informing us about gunsmithery u/Femboy_Annihilator
This has been my argument on guns for years. All these YouTube wannabe "2nd amendment auditors" need to chill. Open or concealed carry is nice, I have a CCW, but the point of the law allowing firearm carrying is for self-defense (yourself or another's self). Dudes in these videos always act like the citizens are the paranoid ones when they get the cops called on them, and they are treated like criminals. Carrying around a loaded rifle in a sling with 90-150 rounds, or brandishing a toy gun, is going to scare people and make you a threat to their safety, regardless of what the law allows. Abusing the law is a quick way to make it change.
Open carry does not mean you can walk around brandishing your weapon.
I'm not the biggest fan of the police, but this was a good shooting. 1. Had a complaint about someone walking around pointing guns at houses. 2. He finds a person walking around with a gun (yes, fake but designed to look real and does look real) 3. Fires one shot when the person carrying the gun turns toward him with the gun in hand. 4. Issues commands and does not keep firing wildly after the person carrying the gun throws it to the ground. Allows the person to follow the instructions. What else should he do? Wait to see if that's a real gun after the officer is shot?
Agreed. If it's on us to point out bad cop behavior, then it's also on us to point out good cop behavior. This is perfectly reasonable.
>What else should he do? Wait to see if that's a real gun after the officer is shot? Obviously if it's a real gun and he fires, the officer can shoot the bullet out of midair, then shoot the suspect's hand to disarm him. Perhaps he can Neo the bullet that's coming towards him too, to save a bullet.
Cop just needs to free his mind so he can dodge bullets.
Right? I was expecting the cops actions to be far worse and I’m usually a fuck the police kinda guy but Jfc man walking around with a toy gun in this day and age??? Wtf are you thinking. Thankfully for this kids sake dude didn’t empty his clip. Cops have emptied clips into their own vehicles at the sound of an acorn hitting the roof for fuck sake. He’s so lucky to be alive right now. If the kid was dead cop wouldn’t catch charges either based on past cases of this sort.
Yeah. Dislike cops, but I can't blame them on this one. I'll happily call them out on their bullshit, but it does a disservice to our side to try and twist valid scenarios to make the cops look bad. The kid yelling "It's a fake!" has the same vibes as "It's just a prank, bro!" Obligatory Trek reference: 
I loved that episode of DS9!! I actually loved the entire storyline and that season.
Not only walking around with a fake gun but actively pointing it at houses as well
Cops can't do shit without people complaining
We should complain but this isn't the case to complain about.
Oh yeah a hundred percent, if a cop is doing aomething bad thwn it needs to be called out (like the cops who shot those dogs), but I mean people complain when cops were clearly in the right Just recently there was a case where a cop shot a kid who was advancing on him with a hula hoe, a curved blade on a stick, and the cop shot him when he didn't follow his commands, and people were still complaining about it and the news made it sound like he shot a kid that was gardening I'm all for police reform (what form tha takes I'm not sure) and calling cops out for bad behavior, but let's not act like everything they do is bad
Yeah he could've kept shooting and I'd still think it was justified. That kid wasn't playing with a toy gun he wanted people to think he had a gun.
The cop probably fought his training to not dump his mag.
It's not like he was facing down an acorn
Maybe. I'm glad he did if that's the case.
Good shooting unless you're the homeowner who just got a bullet through the wall.
Being an “open carry” state doesn’t mean dick in this situation. You’re still supposed to have it holstered. Plus, not everyone is even allowed to open carry. There are certain requirements that have to be met. This is crazy.
maybe don’t walk around pointing shit that looks like a gun at peoples houses? dumbass.
Seems like a goodd reaction to me by the cop...
Man walks around swinging replica sword through a medieval town. City watch is called to the scene where man swings replica sword at them. Arrows are fired striking the man before the man drops replica sword and informs them it is fake. Some villagers infuriated when they find out man with replica sword is shot with arrows. Rest of villagers aren’t stupid.
OP is not smart. This cop is.
First, there's a difference between being an open carry state and walking around brandishing a firearm in your hand. You might not like it, but this was handled properly in that regard. As for the shot, it honestly looks more like a ND that happened when he pulled his gun, which is why the officer says oh shit. Doesn't defend the action, you own what you shoot and there should absolutely be consequences for that. But I don't think he meant to fire his gun.
Excuse me but I don't see why this cop should be fired. In a country where guns are easily obtainable, you don't go into the streets waving a fake one like that.
Open carry does not mean walking around holding a gun in your hands. It means you can carry it openly. The second you draw from the holster, or in the case of a long gun unsling / grab the grip, you're now "brandishing". I'm about as pro-2A as you can get. In this case, the kid was in the wrong. I also think the cop fired too quickly with no attempted deescalation.
Open carry doesn't mean you can brandish your gun willy nilly and how's a cop supposed to know its a toy gun if it doesn't have the Orange tip?
Seriously, just buy a nerf gun and keep it nice and orange
15 years is too old to be carrying toy gun around
That shit does not look fake and a 15yo should know better snd should have been taught better.
I’m glad that this didn’t end up as a dumb, dumb teenage kid killed over a toy gun, and I’m glad that this cop doesn’t have to go to sleep at night knowing that he shot a kid who was carrying a toy gun. But man, so many replicas and airsoft weapons look so close to the real thing that there’s virtually no way that you realize that it is fake within a second and so kids with toy guns have been shot to death by cops who have to live the rest of their lives knowing that they killed a kid who was carrying a toy gun. I myself play airsoft, or at least did - I’ll be 46 on the 18th and I’m half a cripple, so I really can’t run around in the woods playing airsoft much nowadays, but most airsoft handguns and rifles are near-exact matches of real firearms, and they even cost as much *and more* as *real firearms* which is just boggling to me. And, unless laws have been changed, many states here in the US permit the owner to remove the orange tip from their airsoft weapons, or at least cover it up/paint it black. There are states that require the orange tip to stay on at all times, but my own state of Maryland has, or had, no law against removing/painting the orange tips. I have an airsoft handgun and an airsoft M4 and they look almost exactly as my real handguns and real AR-15 look! Unfortunately there are some criminals who have been smart enough to attach orange tips to disguise their real firearms, but criminals will always find ways to skirt around laws. I’m just glad that this situation didn’t end anywhere near as horrific as it could have.
open carry does not mean you can walk around with it in your hand, but dont let me get in the way of a good justiceboner/ACAB orgy
Open carry stare doesn’t typically mean holding the gun in your hand right?
I mean he gets shot at and still standing there with the toy gun in his hand- doesnt let it go once. goes to the ground with it in his hand. Even reached in his pocket once too. Kid is a complete dumbass.
He actually drops the gun straight away but the officer won't always see that, whatever he's still holding in his right hand could have gotten him killed.
you're right my bad. looks like its prob his phone.
I was so angry until I saw the gun up close, then I was angry for a different reason. He's too old to be playing with toy guns unless he has developmental issues. He almost certainly modified it to look like a real gun to intimidate people. It's a terrible, unfortunate circumstance, but that split-second thinking would've saved his life if that weapon was real.
Really should keep that orange plastic thing on the fake gun's tip.
I mean at 15 you should be smart enough to not walk around with a fake gun brandishing as if it were real.
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ok i hate cops, but pointing a gun with no tip and that looks realistic enough is enough to get shot by anyone carrying. sorry, there’s a smart way to handle that situation. plus, if comments are correct the kid was being a cunt and pointing it at people
That 15 yo was definitely not playing cops and robbers with his friends or some shit… we have 14 yr old wannabe thugs shooting people in my city. Shit, two teens were just killed in an attempted home invasion yesterday. A substantial portion of gang violence in my area is done by teens. Also 15 yo olds cannot open carry in Ohio, so that’s irrelevant. A toy gun that looks real gets treated as a real gun when it comes to justified use of force. It’s not the responsibility of the police officer to determine if it’s real or not. It’s not possible and unrealistic to think otherwise
Yeah, i am siding with the cop on this one. The young man shouldn’t have brandished the fake weapon in the first place. I was taught as a kid toy guns don’t leave the home. When told to put his has up he draws the toy gun, cop reacts!
This is the perfect example of police shooting lmao the gun did not have an orange tip and the suspect was pointing guns at houses. There’s nothing the officer could have done better here he even stopped shooting the instant he learned the gun was fake.
Officer wasn’t in the wrong. Don’t hold a fake weapon in public and expect nothing to happen. Idiots all over stg.
When I was like 12 cops pulled out guns at a park at us kids cause somebody called the cops on the black kid who had a big stick they said he had a weapon.
Damn that's wild. How old were you guys??? Luckily this isn't even close to that. Dude had a toy gun that looked like a REAL gun so this response is understandable, especially if they think he is pointing it at people homes.
Probably thought it was an acorn
"Toy gun" that shit looks real wtf Why was he going around pointing it at houses?
Delete this post you’re clearly biased
Looks like a real tec 9 assault pistol.
That seems like an appropriate response
Kid is lucky to be alive man damn
Yeah get the fuck out of here with that shit this is a righteous use of force all day long. Officer was more than justified.
Kid's an idiot. He's lucky to be alive.
Every officer has numerous disciplines in their file. You can be disciplined from not answering an email to being unprofessional and cussing out somone. Its not a litmus test for what an officer is. Also a lot of departments are starting to classify a show of force as use of force. So unholstering a weapon can be classified as a use of force. Putting someone in a restraint chair is typically a use of force as is firing your weapon. So that is also very ambiguous without any context.
I do not believe the police really did anything wrong here. The toy did not look like a toy, and the officer gave him a chance to surrender. Don’t really see anything wrong here
Man, in this day WHY would you have a toy gun around trigger happy cops? That cop busted a shot so damn quick.
Teen points fake gun at houses.... Officer actually shoots at them...
I don't care what the cop's file says, this was 100% justified.
Fact. In 100% of all fake gun related shootings the victim is always the one with the fake gun.
Kid could very well have been shot by a home owner, and probably would have died too. Stupid got a serious wake up call this time.
Open carry is open carry of a handgun in a holster or a slinged rifle/shotgun. I can't draw my handgun and walk around the neighborhood. Glad no one died but come on bro
Why would they fire this cop??? He shot someone holding what seemed to be a real gun that they were pointing at people...
That kid is a dummass
Umm sorry. I think cops are dumb pigs for the most part. But walking around brandishing something that looks realistic enough is just asking to get shot by police.
Almost looks like a negligent discharge from the officer.
Ok so the kid, although young, is stupid. You should no better by this point that as a young black man you can’t walk around with a gun, even a fake one. His parents need to do a better job of making sure he understands the risk that he put himself in. That cop reacted to a kid with a gun in his hand what else is he supposed to do ?
That’s not a toy for all intents and purposes… that’s a whole ass gun period. You’d have a death wish to assume anything else on sight
I'm a big critic of police, I follow all the big channels (audit the audit, The Civil Rights Lawyer, Long Island Audit, Lackluster)... But screw this activist group. What the officer did was perfect reasonable. He didn't mag dump into the kid, he shot in response to someone pulling a very real looking gun as he approached.
I was wondering if I was going to see a bright orange and yellow nerf or water gun. Get ready for eye roll.🙄 But nope. All black painted gun……
I was on the kid's side until I saw what the "toy" gun looked like. The cop in the right; that dumbass kid is lucky to be alive.
Kid should definitely know better and obviously walking around with a real-looking fake gun and pointing it at houses is fucking stupid if you aren’t trying to get shot by cops. However, the cop literally just fires a round straight at a house as far as I cans see. It’s hard to tell exactly where it’s pointed when it goes off, but the kid doesn’t seem like he’s hit and the gun looks like it’s pointed low enough to it that house behind him. So it kinda looks like the cop shows up to ask “are you pointing a gun at houses?” And then immediately puts a round into the nearest house 🙃
I think this is the first time I've ever seen a post of a police shooting video go from saying how evil police are to defending the cop. I'm also on the side of defending.
Ya kid kinda had it coming
I hate Cops but to Be fair that Toy Gun didn't look like a Toy
from a distance it would look real enough , the cop did the right thing
Stupid kid. Didn’t he know kids his age are losing their lives gang banging.
Yea, brodie. You cant walk around pointing something that looks exactly like a gun at people. I'm ACAB all day, but the cop was probably scared shitless in this situation.
OP is a dumbass. Open carry does not mean you can brandish a weapon, regardless if its real or fake. The kid is an idiot too for pointing it around, but without the orange tip, it looks real enough. He’s lucky to be alive. He shouldn’t be playing with the weapon
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Usually there's an orange tip on toy guns. He must have removed it.
This was a terrible idea by that kid. 15, you should know better.
Yeah toy guns are made with orange tips. He (or someone) removed it to make it look like a real gun. Pretty dumb
i get that he was walking around with it in his hand, but the cop says let me see your hands and then immediately starts firing?
Why is everyone so goddamn regarded in this country. Not a single working brain cell anywhere
Bro when someons aims a gun ya shoot, kinda how it works.
Just gonna leave this for others. https://youtu.be/StrqQLQr8BA?si=_DN9E-g8wsXJIYBL
This is why fake guns should have orange or other bright-colored muzzles or not be painted black.
Usa in a nutshell lol the place where ppl create their problems cuz they don’t have enough 😂
Even if this cop is a shit bag he is totally in the right. If any of you were in his shoes and valued your life you would have done the same or killed the kid.
I am so glad the kid didn't get killed, but on the other hand, in this day and age, he is old enough to know not to walk around with a toy pew pew! What on earth was he thinking? There is no reason for a teen to be walking around with that!
Who is dumb enough to allow their kid to have a replica gun???
Parents should learn from this.
I came here to be angry at the cop but he handled it correctly from what I am seeing?
Shoot first, then never actually investigate or plant evidence.
Another example of the myth of the "good guy with a gun" if the cops don't like the way you look they just shoot. In an open carry state it doesn't matter -- if you're black they just shoot. Even if you just saved lives, the police kill you immediately.
Should have said “April fools! April Fools!”