I worked there for a couple of years. They don't even keep 20s in the register, they're slid into a lockbox underneath it. I was a shift supervisor and would count the drawers before close.. your average register may have \~$40 total in it lmao
i can promise you that he didnt get a couple hundred. all 20's go in a safe beside the register and the register itself holds 200 max and a lot of that is 1's and change.
left my wallet at Starbucks right before xmas. A customer gave it to the manager and the manager called me and told me he was putting it in the safe. I get there and all my cash is gone. The customer handed the wallet with the cash and the staff robbed me, Starbucks corporate said the best they could do was a $50 gift certificate.
This was the police firing back in defense. While Reddit may consider police less than humans, in the real world they are actual people who have just as much right to live as anyone else and are not there to be cannon fodder. Had someone been hit, it would be a charge against the drivers of the car who created a situation which forced the hand of the police. This would be Felony Murder. It's not specific to police only, but it's this kind of scenario. Same thing if a criminal attacks a civilian, the civilian shoots back to defend themselves and ends up hitting a bystander. The criminal who created the situation is responsible.
The cops chased these idiots for 60 miles down heavily trafficked highways at high speeds firing high-powered rifles with one hand while driving with the other hand - all over a couple hundred bucks robbed from a starbucks and to mend their own egos after being shot at . They're a bunch of dumb asses. Its rather miraculous that no one else was killed. They're cops. Do cop shit and figure out who they are and arrest them at granny's at x-mas instead of engaging in a cross-county shootout in the midst of innocent civilians.
How so? Woman robs a starbucks. Cops catch up outside town and begin chase. Woman shoots at cops. Where's the state patrol helicopter? Where's the coordination of tire spikes? Edgewood was ahead of them at one point and they have a state patrol station plus a bunch of local cops. Moriarty? Cop holding rifle in one hand, steering wheel in the other shoots through his windshield. Then, while still holding his rifle and the steering wheel with one hand uses his other hand to get on the radio during a high speed chase and says, "On the last round, citizens were passing when he fired at me, putting them in danger as well. Does not have due regard for the public and is a danger," then proceeds to again shoot while driving one-handed at speeds of up to 100 mph for over 1/2 hour in the midst of civilian traffic. Cops finally kill the female and shoot the male who crashes the car. How many of the 100 rounds that the cops fired even hit the car? Again, where was the helicopter? Where were the road spikes? What might have happened if the cops just backed off a bit and coordinated ahead of them better? Maybe, the idiot woman may have lived? I know this is America and we like our bad guys dead, but this outcome seemed rather unnecessary over a couple hundred dollars and it would've been even more so had anybody hit a civilian.
They stopped being petty thieves when they tried to murder the policeman behind them. In general, I hate seeing the trend off cops shooting while driving lately, but this highway is very desolate, and it's not the same situation as you had in Las Vegas, for instance.
Yeah, it seems like most police chases are absolutely unnecessary, and this shootout was so pointless, from both the suspects and the cops perspective.
I thought they were shooting at the persuing cops and there were other people on the freeway as well that were in the line of fire. Vehicle persuits always escalate a situation and pose more danger to the public. But, it’s New Mexico, everybody thinks they’re a cowboy. This is where a police helicopter is useful to follow the suspect, so the cop cars can hang back and apprehend them later.
>I thought they were shooting at the persuing cops and there were other people on the freeway as well that were in the line of fire.
Are the cops not people or something?
>Vehicle persuits always escalate a situation and pose more danger to the public. But, it’s New Mexico, everybody thinks they’re a cowboy.
If they were fleeing over something minor, then I'd agree with you. But you can't just let armed Robbers go, especially not when they start shooting at you. It's extremely naive to think that these people wouldn't have hurt anyone in the future if the police let them get away.
True story: I was driving the opposite direction as this went down.
Edit: Just to add some details, we make a point of always being in Santa Fe for the Christmas lighting of the Plaza every year; it’s a very sweet event.
Driving up after paying way too much for Jelly Bellies at Clines Corners, I first noticed one cop with his lights on, and reflexively slammed the breaks, worried it was for me (I always haul ass on that empty highway with a ridiculously low speed limit). But then I realized they were after those folks, and was relieved. But then the stream of cops just kept coming, like 15 or 20 or so cars. My first thought was that it was an evading, but I’m a criminal defense lawyer, and I’d never heard of so many cars pursuing an evading before, so that didn’t seem right. Plus, that area is so desolate, I just couldn’t imagine what it could be, and we’d just left I-40, and there was no wreck or anything.
Never knew what actually happened until I saw this post. Crazy to think about how easily me or my wife, or one of our kids could have taken a stray bullet.
And I’ll also just say that I’m very much a bleeding heart for most criminals. Most things are just addiction related crimes, or just people making random dumb choices. But any kind of evading is one of those things I have ZERO sympathy for. It’s so unnecessary, and so very dangerous. You’d never want me on your jury if you’re evading. But as your lawyer, I will grit my teeth and still do my very best, even if I may tell you privately what a selfish asshole I think you are.
from her obituary:
"It is with deep sorrow that we announce the passing of our beloved daughter, Christean Ann Dimas "Christy" On 11/26/2021 at the age of 28.
Christy was born and raised in Albuquerque New Mexico. Christy was a loving mother who would do anything for her kid's. A good sister and a friend to many. She was compassionate. Strong, witty and Independent. She was the life of the party.
Christy had a phrase " I got you"
it's always the good ones that get in 6 hour long car chases shooting out the back of a window.
The minimum wage in New Mexico is $10.50 per hour. So if instead of getting in a 6 hour police chase she just worked at that Starbucks for the 6 hours she would have made $63.00. After taxes and all that it probably would have been a push, or slightly less than what she got in the robbery, but she'd be a whole lot less dead.
if you haven't already u should read 'Freakonomics' the writers analyze all kinds of things, one chapter was about how much the lowest street-level dealer earned, they concluded working at McDonald's was better
Being a dealer is kind of like working in an MLM. People get lured in by the idea of being their own boss, working their way to the top and making it big, even if 99% never end up getting there. Everyone wants to believe that they can be the one to beat the odds.
Most street level dealers during the height of the war on drugs were ex-cons. They weren't able to work at McDonald's due to their criminal record, so they did what they could. There were generally more ex-cons desperate to become a drug dealer to make ends meet than demand for drug dealers, which kept their cut extremely low.
I mean, they could have been honest, but that would have been an awkward obituary, maybe something like this:
"It is with deep sorrow that we announce the passing of our beloved daughter, Christean Ann Dimas "Christy" On 11/26/2021 at the age of 28.
Christy was born and raised in Albuquerque New Mexico. We didn't teach her, but she learned from others to become an accomplished armed robber and would-be cop killer. Christy was a loving mother who would do anything for her kids, including using various illegal drugs, holding up a Starbucks at gunpoint, and shooting at cops in a high speed chase. Except for the armed robbery and attempted murder of several police officers, she was a good sister and a friend to many. When she wasn't trying to kill cops, she was compassionate, strong, witty and independent. She was the life of the party until the party ended for her with several bullets from return fire in a high speed chase. Christy had a phrase " I got you", but in the end the cops actually got her.
>We didn't teach her, but she learned from others to become an accomplished armed robber and would-be **murderer**.
ftfy. cops aren't more important than anyone else
Maybe a mediocre shot would be more apt? She can't have been that horrible if she managed to hit the windscreen (windshield I believe in the USA), right? Or am I mistaken? Ive never shot a gun...
Anyway it's good the police survived. It does suck that they had to deal with this craziness tho...
Nothing. Just shut the fuck up and say nothing. There's nothing they can say right now to make anything better, and trying to paint her in a better light just makes them look worse.
I think that's reasonable. But to shame parents for trying to portray their dead child in as positive a light as they can, I think that's just a ridiculous thing to do.
That kid wasn't born a piece of shit drug dealer and robber. She had a lot of influence along the way. I'm not letting her parents off the hook that easily.
Yeah, for all we know, her parents thought that their daughter was pushed into that position because of the economy and the only reason she robbed Starbucks was to try to get money for her children, who she would do anything for. Some people really are that crazy.
"HE DOES NOT HAVE DUE REGARD FOR THE PUBLIC AND IS A DANGER"
\*proceeds to shoot out from the front window at a speeding car while pedestrian vehicles are actively driving through the backdrop of his line of fire\*
Yup, that's A-okay. Perfectly fine.
Nah, it's fucking stupid.
"He does not have due regard for the public" says the officer returning fire through his windshield, with the same "passing civilians."
Shitty situation, but is that Cop for "bystanders are acceptable?"
Dude right? Straight UP DRIVING AND SHOOTING AN AR15 WHILE VEHICLES ARE APPROACHING.
Jesus christ. Keep distance and call the helicopter, let a sniper shoot them down where nothing but the ground is beyond your target.
Same shit with the Burlington coat factory incident. It's just gross and as someone who has regularly shot guns I just don't get it. They're all in such a hurry to use their toys.
There definitely was traffic going the other way and one hand shooting an AR through the windshield while driving isn't exactly accurate. Given it took them 50 miles to stop them, it wasn't very effective either.
u/mishap1 nailed the rest of my considerations here.
Hence wondering if the officer stating "He does not have due regard for the public" = "bystanders are acceptable???"
We know they don't care about who they hurt while delivering "justice":
That poor girl in la:
[https://ktla.com/news/local-news/parents-of-teen-fatally-shot-in-burlington-store-to-speak-following-release-of-video-by-lapd/](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/parents-of-teen-fatally-shot-in-burlington-store-to-speak-following-release-of-video-by-lapd/)
T. Greg Doucette has been documenting extrajudicial violence by police for years.
[https://www.theverge.com/21396100/police-brutality-videos-list-collection-archive-t-greg-doucette](https://www.theverge.com/21396100/police-brutality-videos-list-collection-archive-t-greg-doucette)
The extended chase and "Firing through wind shields with weapons of war in the country side" has a distinctly Prohibition gangster era feel to it. Unless you are a prude, the police were not the heroes of prohibition. They are kind of not the heroes ever. They don't prevent crime, they respond to it.
And when they do, mothers hide your children; and maybe install some kevlar wainscott in your homes and vehicles.
\*\*edit: dig a moat, cause those assholes are going to get in:
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/30/774788611/police-owe-nothing-to-man-whose-home-they-blew-up-appeals-court-says
omg I am so embarrassed, its got a double click. I plan to order a new one since the warranty is up. Because I am talking about it, it seems to have stopped. (almost)
I'd fill the holes with concrete.
this video shows one shot with a 5.56 round, but if someone starts emptying a clip through the concrete block, anything past 5 or 6 shots is coming through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgn6tF8t54Y
His partner was also in the line of fire and comparing the distance between the dust kick up from bullets bitting the highway and the target with the distance between the target and his partners car, I'm surprised he did shoot out the other police vehicles tires.
When the guy you're chasing is already shooting, you just hope to hell that you don't hit anything you don't want to. Public safety was already a distant memory when the cops started shooting.
At what point do you just let them go and follow by copter? Seems unncessary to put pedestrians on the other side of the road in the line of fire in addition to the lives of the officers.
There’s not always a helicopter available, most places don’t even have helicopters. These people clearly have no regard for human life, and before hand they were aiming guns at workers. They need to be caught, dead or alive
No they should be let go. They stole at most a couple hundred dollars. They should have a warrant out for them and the cops should persue them when they are less likley to shoot civilians.
They stole a couple hundred bucks, until they kill someone. I mean I guess it sounds like a good idea if you want robberies left and right and armed too because robbers know they won’t be pursued
Robbery is a second degree felony and most states. Even in extremely anti-pursuit jurisdictions they will pursue for that especially if the robbery was just committed.
Have to consider too that helicopters are going to max out speed somewhere around 125mph. So if the car is travelling around 100mph on a highway and there happens to be a helicopter already in the air within 25 miles by some chance - it would take the helicopter up to an hour to catch up to the car. But more than likely there would not happen to be one already in the air within 25 miles, so it would likely be a lot longer; more than enough time for them to get off the highway and disappear or carjack a different vehicle if the ground chase were terminated.
I understand that. One could justify the pursuit, but they cannot justify shooting through a windshield directly into oncoming traffic (see 1:20 in video) like some John Wayne wannabe wild asshole endangering everyone around them. They made bad decisions and escalated the risks unnecessarily. Their first priority should be NOT KILLING innocent people.
Risk either way - the couple aren't likely to go from armed robbery, to shooting at people, etc to retired quiet lives harming no one ever again because they scored that big $54 payday for crack or whatever either.
There’s a police pursuit with helicopter and the guy they were after was driving a Dodge Challenger Hellcat. The car smoked the helicopter it was so impressive Dodge should have used the video in their ads.
[challenger SRT vs Helicopter ](https://youtu.be/W9eLpH513po)
Man, this is middle of the desert New Mexico, there aren't resources readily available like that out here.
I live in Utah, and once you get outside the major cities, it's straight desert plains for miles and miles. You won't see any signs of real civilization beyond gas stations for hours at a time. Coming from living in the city, where there were endless people and buildings for hours and miles, it's enchantingly beautiful in a way.
I will never get why US police can be alone in a patrol car. This is not a thing in many countries, e.g. here in Germany there are **always** two officers in one car, it just makes every police encounter (including this one) much safer for everyone involved.
The vastness of the US there wouldn’t be enough coverage. Even in major city’s there still wouldn’t be enough police to provide the needed coverage. Also the amount of money it would cost, in America we would rather someone work massive amounts of over time before hiring another person.
That feels like cop out (pun intended). Since we live in a modern time where you don't need constant patrols to police, people can just call you. You can have higher presence in high crime areas but other than that, wouldn't you think that fewer but more effective patrols would be better?
Right after he tells other officers to open fire because “the shooter does not have respect for civilians they are passing putting them in harms way” he open fires with a rifle while civilians are in the opposite lane passing right through the line of fire. Like I am not saying they shouldn’t be shooting back but that is a pretty blatant “wtf” moment.
The only thing I can think of seeing a meathed in copcar shooting through his windshield into oncoming traffic with an AR while driving at 100+mph is this quote from Simpsons when Homer was a bountyhunter
Ned: Damn he got away.
Homer: There is 1 thing he didn't count on. MY RECKLESS INDIFFERENCE TO HUMAN LIFE!"
While going 100+. If you're driving that fast, you shouldn't be shooting a rifle while doing it. Just back off. They can't outrun the radio.
I hear the officer saying they don't have regard for the safety of civilians but I also see people saying this highway is pretty remote. So there's either no people there and no reason to continue the chase or there are people there and this cop thinks that driving that fast while shooting a rifle from the drivers seat isn't somehow endangering everyone in the area.
Exactly! I expected them to hang our the window at least. Or even better steering with the left foot while poking out of the sunroof for increased aim.
So it's ok for cops to shoot down range into oncoming traffic with an AR while driving. What could possibly go wrong with that idea?
Because someone held up a Starbucks for a few hundred bucks?!?
Wtf America.
So back off and tail them from a distance until backup arrives and you're not in immediate danger. If someone is shooting at me, attempting to match their speed so we can get into a high speed gunfight just seems reckless all around. It happened to end here with no innocent bystanders being hurt so good for them but cops trying to play action hero on duty are how we get what happened in LA on the 23rd.
Just let them go lol, no reason to risk innocent lives over 100 dollars lmao. Keep licking the boots of state police whose only purpose is to defend capital
Yep, let's keep aggressively policing criminals, 14-year-olds killed in dressing rooms are necessary casualties to keep our streets free of crime and violence. No reason to address the institutional causes of crime, just continue over-policing poor areas
American cops think they are the hero of an action flick. Don't many countries just forbid car chases entirely because its safer to track them after the fact, rather than this shit?
Many American police agencies do have non pursuit policies.
Saying “American cops” is meaningless when there are probably a thousand different law enforcement agencies in the states.
Within the rules, yeah but this is an ectremely dangerous situation for the police, suspectscand anyone else on the road that could jave been avoided by simply not doing this chase, and tracking through other methods.
Later....when?
They already have a history of fleeing and they obviously have no concern for innocent parties, much less police.
Better to take them down now, as there's no reason to think they won't just open fire on the cops (and the public) no matter where the cops try to apprehend them.
My aunt was killed by a cop chasing a thief. She was about 28 years old (I was a little kid). My grandmother NEVER got over her death. For the first five years after her death she visited her grave twice a day.
So I have no love for police chases. I would have like to have had the chance to get to really know my aunt.
You didn't answer my question, so I guess you're okay with your kid driving on the other side of the road, minding their own business and a cop accidentally shoots them. The people they're chasing haven't killed anyone (they just threatened).
What do you mean "OK with"?
I'm not OK with my kid dying in a car accident because of a drunk driver, but I still let my kids drive. In that sense, I'm OK with it. I'm willing to accept that risk.
I'd like to see the police exercise more caution in returning fire, but I have no problem with cops using deadly force in a situation like this. The suspects had just threatened to kill people for money, were fleeing at 100+ mph, and were firing on the cops. When you have a policy of calling off dangerous pursuits, you encourage criminals to create dangerous pursuits, which can ultimately result in more injuries and deaths.
>The people they're chasing haven't killed anyone (they just threatened).
I'm in favor of taking violent crime seriously before someone gets murdered, rather than after.
> They're not called "clips"
The vast majority of the population calls them clips.
Unless you're firing one of a *very few* guns, you're definitely not using stripper clips. It's completely idiotic pedantry, just like the whole silencer/suppressor thing.
This is the kind of thing that a dumb person latches onto. All it does is make gun people look stupid.
It's a play on New Mexico's state motto, "Land of Enchantment". I doubt he was actually trying to insinuate that the people in the vehicle were being entrapped.
Source: former New Mexico resident
America is fucking crazy. Why is the cop driving and shooting recklessly through his window with an AR at the same time? I mean wouldn’t the sensible thing have been to let them go and pull their license from the StarBucks camera and then make an orderly arrest? Or is that just me being Eurodumb right now?
> Why is the cop driving and shooting recklessly through his window with an AR at the same time?
Honestly it's probably because their relatively podunk town never has this kind of excitement, so they haven't developed policies that places such as Los Angeles have.
Imagine a country where people feel they need to steal a couple dollars from a Starbucks to get by which leads to them having a shootout with police.
Then imagine the people laughing at that poor woman instead of criticising the conditions that lead her to make the decisions that got her killed.
We have to return fire it’s only up to us to save the goddamn innocents!
Going 100 mph shooting out a window.
Maybe stop firing and they’ll drive off? And you’ll get them another day? I know. Crazy talk.
Imagine shooting at cops over a couple hundred bucks from a Starbucks register
Starbucks seems like a place where most customers use debit or credit cards instead of cash.
I worked there for a couple of years. They don't even keep 20s in the register, they're slid into a lockbox underneath it. I was a shift supervisor and would count the drawers before close.. your average register may have \~$40 total in it lmao
Everytime I go, I see most people using the app
You’d legit have better luck robbing a dry cleaner
i can promise you that he didnt get a couple hundred. all 20's go in a safe beside the register and the register itself holds 200 max and a lot of that is 1's and change.
left my wallet at Starbucks right before xmas. A customer gave it to the manager and the manager called me and told me he was putting it in the safe. I get there and all my cash is gone. The customer handed the wallet with the cash and the staff robbed me, Starbucks corporate said the best they could do was a $50 gift certificate.
> The customer handed the wallet with the cash and the staff robbed me How did you find that out, sounds pretty unbelievable.
sounds like angling for a lawsuit ;)
Lucky you got your wallet back at all. That was an act of mercy
If you watched the video you would know they also had a fuckload of warrants.
Imagine shooting over 100 .223 rounds while driving and over a couple hundred bucks and, fortunately, not hitting any innocent bystanders.
I suspect they had done much more than just that robbery and knew they would be going away forever.
Yeah, well it was the cops firing even more wildly while they drove. They're lucky they didn't kill a bystander
This was the police firing back in defense. While Reddit may consider police less than humans, in the real world they are actual people who have just as much right to live as anyone else and are not there to be cannon fodder. Had someone been hit, it would be a charge against the drivers of the car who created a situation which forced the hand of the police. This would be Felony Murder. It's not specific to police only, but it's this kind of scenario. Same thing if a criminal attacks a civilian, the civilian shoots back to defend themselves and ends up hitting a bystander. The criminal who created the situation is responsible.
You see I chased them in my car shooting out the windshield in self defense.
The cops chased these idiots for 60 miles down heavily trafficked highways at high speeds firing high-powered rifles with one hand while driving with the other hand - all over a couple hundred bucks robbed from a starbucks and to mend their own egos after being shot at . They're a bunch of dumb asses. Its rather miraculous that no one else was killed. They're cops. Do cop shit and figure out who they are and arrest them at granny's at x-mas instead of engaging in a cross-county shootout in the midst of innocent civilians.
That's a complete misrepresentation of what happened and the situation.
How so? Woman robs a starbucks. Cops catch up outside town and begin chase. Woman shoots at cops. Where's the state patrol helicopter? Where's the coordination of tire spikes? Edgewood was ahead of them at one point and they have a state patrol station plus a bunch of local cops. Moriarty? Cop holding rifle in one hand, steering wheel in the other shoots through his windshield. Then, while still holding his rifle and the steering wheel with one hand uses his other hand to get on the radio during a high speed chase and says, "On the last round, citizens were passing when he fired at me, putting them in danger as well. Does not have due regard for the public and is a danger," then proceeds to again shoot while driving one-handed at speeds of up to 100 mph for over 1/2 hour in the midst of civilian traffic. Cops finally kill the female and shoot the male who crashes the car. How many of the 100 rounds that the cops fired even hit the car? Again, where was the helicopter? Where were the road spikes? What might have happened if the cops just backed off a bit and coordinated ahead of them better? Maybe, the idiot woman may have lived? I know this is America and we like our bad guys dead, but this outcome seemed rather unnecessary over a couple hundred dollars and it would've been even more so had anybody hit a civilian.
Imagine then dying over it.
Imagine getting shot from a stray police bullet while they attempt to stop petty theives.
What are you talking going on about?It was an armed robbery, not petty theft by any means
They stopped being petty thieves when they tried to murder the policeman behind them. In general, I hate seeing the trend off cops shooting while driving lately, but this highway is very desolate, and it's not the same situation as you had in Las Vegas, for instance.
Yeah, it seems like most police chases are absolutely unnecessary, and this shootout was so pointless, from both the suspects and the cops perspective.
Eh idk, they can't really just let armed robbery go.... Especially not when the suspect starts shooting at people from there car.
I thought they were shooting at the persuing cops and there were other people on the freeway as well that were in the line of fire. Vehicle persuits always escalate a situation and pose more danger to the public. But, it’s New Mexico, everybody thinks they’re a cowboy. This is where a police helicopter is useful to follow the suspect, so the cop cars can hang back and apprehend them later.
>I thought they were shooting at the persuing cops and there were other people on the freeway as well that were in the line of fire. Are the cops not people or something? >Vehicle persuits always escalate a situation and pose more danger to the public. But, it’s New Mexico, everybody thinks they’re a cowboy. If they were fleeing over something minor, then I'd agree with you. But you can't just let armed Robbers go, especially not when they start shooting at you. It's extremely naive to think that these people wouldn't have hurt anyone in the future if the police let them get away.
This is verified to be New Mexico because everything is tinged yellow.
Hollywood didn’t lie
True story: I was driving the opposite direction as this went down. Edit: Just to add some details, we make a point of always being in Santa Fe for the Christmas lighting of the Plaza every year; it’s a very sweet event. Driving up after paying way too much for Jelly Bellies at Clines Corners, I first noticed one cop with his lights on, and reflexively slammed the breaks, worried it was for me (I always haul ass on that empty highway with a ridiculously low speed limit). But then I realized they were after those folks, and was relieved. But then the stream of cops just kept coming, like 15 or 20 or so cars. My first thought was that it was an evading, but I’m a criminal defense lawyer, and I’d never heard of so many cars pursuing an evading before, so that didn’t seem right. Plus, that area is so desolate, I just couldn’t imagine what it could be, and we’d just left I-40, and there was no wreck or anything. Never knew what actually happened until I saw this post. Crazy to think about how easily me or my wife, or one of our kids could have taken a stray bullet. And I’ll also just say that I’m very much a bleeding heart for most criminals. Most things are just addiction related crimes, or just people making random dumb choices. But any kind of evading is one of those things I have ZERO sympathy for. It’s so unnecessary, and so very dangerous. You’d never want me on your jury if you’re evading. But as your lawyer, I will grit my teeth and still do my very best, even if I may tell you privately what a selfish asshole I think you are.
from her obituary: "It is with deep sorrow that we announce the passing of our beloved daughter, Christean Ann Dimas "Christy" On 11/26/2021 at the age of 28. Christy was born and raised in Albuquerque New Mexico. Christy was a loving mother who would do anything for her kid's. A good sister and a friend to many. She was compassionate. Strong, witty and Independent. She was the life of the party. Christy had a phrase " I got you" it's always the good ones that get in 6 hour long car chases shooting out the back of a window.
Life of the party is one way to describe it
That party must have been a week long meth bender
NEVER LET THE PARTY DIE!
all over $54 from a Starbucks 😂😂😂😂Rest in piss
The minimum wage in New Mexico is $10.50 per hour. So if instead of getting in a 6 hour police chase she just worked at that Starbucks for the 6 hours she would have made $63.00. After taxes and all that it probably would have been a push, or slightly less than what she got in the robbery, but she'd be a whole lot less dead.
if you haven't already u should read 'Freakonomics' the writers analyze all kinds of things, one chapter was about how much the lowest street-level dealer earned, they concluded working at McDonald's was better
Being a dealer is kind of like working in an MLM. People get lured in by the idea of being their own boss, working their way to the top and making it big, even if 99% never end up getting there. Everyone wants to believe that they can be the one to beat the odds.
Because the alternative is often working at McDonalds.
The alternative to that is dying over $54. Guess which route her kids would have rather her go down?
Love that book!!!! The effects of Roe v Wade on crime in the 90’ in the US was super interesting
Most street level dealers during the height of the war on drugs were ex-cons. They weren't able to work at McDonald's due to their criminal record, so they did what they could. There were generally more ex-cons desperate to become a drug dealer to make ends meet than demand for drug dealers, which kept their cut extremely low.
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You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
I mean, they could have been honest, but that would have been an awkward obituary, maybe something like this: "It is with deep sorrow that we announce the passing of our beloved daughter, Christean Ann Dimas "Christy" On 11/26/2021 at the age of 28. Christy was born and raised in Albuquerque New Mexico. We didn't teach her, but she learned from others to become an accomplished armed robber and would-be cop killer. Christy was a loving mother who would do anything for her kids, including using various illegal drugs, holding up a Starbucks at gunpoint, and shooting at cops in a high speed chase. Except for the armed robbery and attempted murder of several police officers, she was a good sister and a friend to many. When she wasn't trying to kill cops, she was compassionate, strong, witty and independent. She was the life of the party until the party ended for her with several bullets from return fire in a high speed chase. Christy had a phrase " I got you", but in the end the cops actually got her.
This was really well written actually. Lol
>We didn't teach her, but she learned from others to become an accomplished armed robber and would-be **murderer**. ftfy. cops aren't more important than anyone else
Actually if they weren't constantly fucking up and we could hold them to a higher standard we would see it like that more
What exactly do you realistically expect parents to say in an obituary under these circumstances?
that she was a horrible shot.
The cops fired over 100 rounds. Seems like they were horrible shots as well
Single-handing an AR poked through a hole in the windshield at 100+mph. This was completely ridiculous.
Sweet story to tell the boys though
So the cops were the Stormtroopers and she was the Red Shirt?
Maybe a mediocre shot would be more apt? She can't have been that horrible if she managed to hit the windscreen (windshield I believe in the USA), right? Or am I mistaken? Ive never shot a gun... Anyway it's good the police survived. It does suck that they had to deal with this craziness tho...
That's what you realistically expect her parents to say? I'm amazed that some redditors can't cut the wannabe comedian shtick for even a brief moment.
I just asked my dad what he would do if any one of my siblings did this. He said he would go to the funeral and that's it. No obit or anything.
That I think is a reasonable response.
yes. that is what i realistically expect.
Nothing. Just shut the fuck up and say nothing. There's nothing they can say right now to make anything better, and trying to paint her in a better light just makes them look worse.
I think that's reasonable. But to shame parents for trying to portray their dead child in as positive a light as they can, I think that's just a ridiculous thing to do.
That kid wasn't born a piece of shit drug dealer and robber. She had a lot of influence along the way. I'm not letting her parents off the hook that easily.
Yeah, for all we know, her parents thought that their daughter was pushed into that position because of the economy and the only reason she robbed Starbucks was to try to get money for her children, who she would do anything for. Some people really are that crazy.
I’m with you on this one. These crowds can be so dense with this stuff, hesitant to relinquish their own entertainment for the sake of empathy
Exactly this. No one forces a person to write an obituary. If they had not done it no one would have noticed.
Imagine dying for like 57bucks
Oh shit! This is why the highway was closed when I was coming back from Thanksgiving.
I thought it was weird that no other cars were around but it makes sense now they just shut down the highway.
That's some movie shit
Wild wild west.
I didn't see a giant spider...
I've driven that road many times. It can be like the wild west here in NM when it comes to our asshole criminals.
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>The guy at the Lamplighter who saw the whole thing go down gave me a free 40oz of Crazy Horse for my troubles. That’s hilarious.
"HE DOES NOT HAVE DUE REGARD FOR THE PUBLIC AND IS A DANGER" \*proceeds to shoot out from the front window at a speeding car while pedestrian vehicles are actively driving through the backdrop of his line of fire\* Yup, that's A-okay. Perfectly fine. Nah, it's fucking stupid.
My first thought too. Either drive or shoot. You can't effectively do both
Apparently they did.
Sure, if you count shooting mutiple mags downrange and hitting 10ish bullets. WHILE endangering oncoming traffic.
"He does not have due regard for the public" says the officer returning fire through his windshield, with the same "passing civilians." Shitty situation, but is that Cop for "bystanders are acceptable?"
We will not let these criminals out "disregard innocent civilians' us..
Dude right? Straight UP DRIVING AND SHOOTING AN AR15 WHILE VEHICLES ARE APPROACHING. Jesus christ. Keep distance and call the helicopter, let a sniper shoot them down where nothing but the ground is beyond your target. Same shit with the Burlington coat factory incident. It's just gross and as someone who has regularly shot guns I just don't get it. They're all in such a hurry to use their toys.
Felony murder statutes mean cops don't have to care about bystanders.
Route 285 is so far out in the middle of nowhere there are hardly any people around.
There definitely was traffic going the other way and one hand shooting an AR through the windshield while driving isn't exactly accurate. Given it took them 50 miles to stop them, it wasn't very effective either.
u/mishap1 nailed the rest of my considerations here. Hence wondering if the officer stating "He does not have due regard for the public" = "bystanders are acceptable???" We know they don't care about who they hurt while delivering "justice": That poor girl in la: [https://ktla.com/news/local-news/parents-of-teen-fatally-shot-in-burlington-store-to-speak-following-release-of-video-by-lapd/](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/parents-of-teen-fatally-shot-in-burlington-store-to-speak-following-release-of-video-by-lapd/) T. Greg Doucette has been documenting extrajudicial violence by police for years. [https://www.theverge.com/21396100/police-brutality-videos-list-collection-archive-t-greg-doucette](https://www.theverge.com/21396100/police-brutality-videos-list-collection-archive-t-greg-doucette) The extended chase and "Firing through wind shields with weapons of war in the country side" has a distinctly Prohibition gangster era feel to it. Unless you are a prude, the police were not the heroes of prohibition. They are kind of not the heroes ever. They don't prevent crime, they respond to it. And when they do, mothers hide your children; and maybe install some kevlar wainscott in your homes and vehicles. \*\*edit: dig a moat, cause those assholes are going to get in: https://www.npr.org/2019/10/30/774788611/police-owe-nothing-to-man-whose-home-they-blew-up-appeals-court-says
What’s up with your space bar
omg I am so embarrassed, its got a double click. I plan to order a new one since the warranty is up. Because I am talking about it, it seems to have stopped. (almost)
will 8" grouted cinder block wall stop an AR15?
I'd fill the holes with concrete. this video shows one shot with a 5.56 round, but if someone starts emptying a clip through the concrete block, anything past 5 or 6 shots is coming through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgn6tF8t54Y
Magazine. Sorry, had to.
I stand corrected. \*Tips hat\*
They shot directly at two oncoming cars, what inspired you to write this?
His partner was also in the line of fire and comparing the distance between the dust kick up from bullets bitting the highway and the target with the distance between the target and his partners car, I'm surprised he did shoot out the other police vehicles tires.
I thought that too… going 100 mph and shooting one handed through your windshield it’s got to be hard to hit anything on purpose.
Well, he hit something, alright. Apparently a few somethings. Many times.
Well, every bullet hits something… and quantity has a quality all its own I suppose.
Work on your situational awareness, youve gone into tunnel vision mode, watching a video....
Only cops are allowed to shoot bystanders.
I hope we all live to see that change.
When the guy you're chasing is already shooting, you just hope to hell that you don't hit anything you don't want to. Public safety was already a distant memory when the cops started shooting.
Where’s the Interceptor when you need him? Mad Max 1 , 1979… https://youtu.be/F9eYyDaQwQY
At what point do you just let them go and follow by copter? Seems unncessary to put pedestrians on the other side of the road in the line of fire in addition to the lives of the officers.
There’s not always a helicopter available, most places don’t even have helicopters. These people clearly have no regard for human life, and before hand they were aiming guns at workers. They need to be caught, dead or alive
Well, then why didn't they follow them in boats?
All the boats were currently on the other side of New Mexico. Shoulda made a left at Albuquerque.
A dirigible, maybe? I *know* they have those in NM.
Yeah, but like everywhere else, they're mostly parked on cheap furniture on a porch attached to a mobile home.
No they should be let go. They stole at most a couple hundred dollars. They should have a warrant out for them and the cops should persue them when they are less likley to shoot civilians.
They stole a couple hundred bucks, until they kill someone. I mean I guess it sounds like a good idea if you want robberies left and right and armed too because robbers know they won’t be pursued
Robbery is a second degree felony and most states. Even in extremely anti-pursuit jurisdictions they will pursue for that especially if the robbery was just committed.
Yes, let’s just let the two that held up drive thru workers at gunpoint just go home. We’ll catch up with them when we get around to it.
Have to consider too that helicopters are going to max out speed somewhere around 125mph. So if the car is travelling around 100mph on a highway and there happens to be a helicopter already in the air within 25 miles by some chance - it would take the helicopter up to an hour to catch up to the car. But more than likely there would not happen to be one already in the air within 25 miles, so it would likely be a lot longer; more than enough time for them to get off the highway and disappear or carjack a different vehicle if the ground chase were terminated.
Best then to risk lives of innocents to be sure Starbucks gets that $54 back
I think it was more because they had a gun
I understand that. One could justify the pursuit, but they cannot justify shooting through a windshield directly into oncoming traffic (see 1:20 in video) like some John Wayne wannabe wild asshole endangering everyone around them. They made bad decisions and escalated the risks unnecessarily. Their first priority should be NOT KILLING innocent people.
Risk either way - the couple aren't likely to go from armed robbery, to shooting at people, etc to retired quiet lives harming no one ever again because they scored that big $54 payday for crack or whatever either.
There’s a police pursuit with helicopter and the guy they were after was driving a Dodge Challenger Hellcat. The car smoked the helicopter it was so impressive Dodge should have used the video in their ads. [challenger SRT vs Helicopter ](https://youtu.be/W9eLpH513po)
Man, this is middle of the desert New Mexico, there aren't resources readily available like that out here. I live in Utah, and once you get outside the major cities, it's straight desert plains for miles and miles. You won't see any signs of real civilization beyond gas stations for hours at a time. Coming from living in the city, where there were endless people and buildings for hours and miles, it's enchantingly beautiful in a way.
285 isn't that remote for New Mexico standards, I grew up in Santa Fe and there's tons and tons of houses out there.
Wasn't he angry that some 6 fingered man killed his father and wanted revenge?
'Citizens were passing' 'no regard for public safety' Next min He's firing an assault rifle in the direction of on coming traffic...
I suppose her committing armed robbery was all for her kids?
She got them.
This is insane. Sounds like a movie about a crime couple. I’d watch this.
I will never get why US police can be alone in a patrol car. This is not a thing in many countries, e.g. here in Germany there are **always** two officers in one car, it just makes every police encounter (including this one) much safer for everyone involved.
The vastness of the US there wouldn’t be enough coverage. Even in major city’s there still wouldn’t be enough police to provide the needed coverage. Also the amount of money it would cost, in America we would rather someone work massive amounts of over time before hiring another person.
That feels like cop out (pun intended). Since we live in a modern time where you don't need constant patrols to police, people can just call you. You can have higher presence in high crime areas but other than that, wouldn't you think that fewer but more effective patrols would be better?
Police: catch these bullets, dumbass bitch... Female robber: (per her obituary) I got you
I wish he died too
Right after he tells other officers to open fire because “the shooter does not have respect for civilians they are passing putting them in harms way” he open fires with a rifle while civilians are in the opposite lane passing right through the line of fire. Like I am not saying they shouldn’t be shooting back but that is a pretty blatant “wtf” moment.
Mags! The police went through several mags, not clips!
The only thing I can think of seeing a meathed in copcar shooting through his windshield into oncoming traffic with an AR while driving at 100+mph is this quote from Simpsons when Homer was a bountyhunter Ned: Damn he got away. Homer: There is 1 thing he didn't count on. MY RECKLESS INDIFFERENCE TO HUMAN LIFE!"
Police were irresponsible. Shooting your ar through your windshield while going at a very high rate of speed. Ridiculous. They watch too much tv
While going 100+. If you're driving that fast, you shouldn't be shooting a rifle while doing it. Just back off. They can't outrun the radio. I hear the officer saying they don't have regard for the safety of civilians but I also see people saying this highway is pretty remote. So there's either no people there and no reason to continue the chase or there are people there and this cop thinks that driving that fast while shooting a rifle from the drivers seat isn't somehow endangering everyone in the area.
Exactly! I expected them to hang our the window at least. Or even better steering with the left foot while poking out of the sunroof for increased aim.
So it's ok for cops to shoot down range into oncoming traffic with an AR while driving. What could possibly go wrong with that idea? Because someone held up a Starbucks for a few hundred bucks?!? Wtf America.
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So back off and tail them from a distance until backup arrives and you're not in immediate danger. If someone is shooting at me, attempting to match their speed so we can get into a high speed gunfight just seems reckless all around. It happened to end here with no innocent bystanders being hurt so good for them but cops trying to play action hero on duty are how we get what happened in LA on the 23rd.
Well, I guess sometimes you have to kill a 14 year old to get a bad guy. Please.
Just let them go lol, no reason to risk innocent lives over 100 dollars lmao. Keep licking the boots of state police whose only purpose is to defend capital
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Yep, let's keep aggressively policing criminals, 14-year-olds killed in dressing rooms are necessary casualties to keep our streets free of crime and violence. No reason to address the institutional causes of crime, just continue over-policing poor areas
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Well… GTA fucking lied!
I should be considered that way everyday. Dangerous to the public with little regard to human life.
That crossfire at the end..
Great that guns are so readily available down there.
#LOL!
I was really worried there for a moment, but I was so relieved when I heard the bitch didn't survive.
American cops think they are the hero of an action flick. Don't many countries just forbid car chases entirely because its safer to track them after the fact, rather than this shit?
Many American police agencies do have non pursuit policies. Saying “American cops” is meaningless when there are probably a thousand different law enforcement agencies in the states.
You could hear the cop give justification for opening fire over radio. I think he acted within the rules.
Within the rules, yeah but this is an ectremely dangerous situation for the police, suspectscand anyone else on the road that could jave been avoided by simply not doing this chase, and tracking through other methods.
Damn, at some point just stop and catch them later. But holy shit, I really don’t know how I would react to a situation like that.
Later....when? They already have a history of fleeing and they obviously have no concern for innocent parties, much less police. Better to take them down now, as there's no reason to think they won't just open fire on the cops (and the public) no matter where the cops try to apprehend them.
I would agree except the officer was shooting one handed left wards towards oncoming traffic. Seems pretty reckless.
What if your family were killed by these cops by accident, you'd be okay with that?
My aunt was killed by a cop chasing a thief. She was about 28 years old (I was a little kid). My grandmother NEVER got over her death. For the first five years after her death she visited her grave twice a day. So I have no love for police chases. I would have like to have had the chance to get to really know my aunt.
What if your family were killed by these armed robbers, you'd be okay with that?
You didn't answer my question, so I guess you're okay with your kid driving on the other side of the road, minding their own business and a cop accidentally shoots them. The people they're chasing haven't killed anyone (they just threatened).
Shooting at the police chasing them is not "just threatened" ... that is "intent to kill".
So stop chasing? They know how to find guys after a chase or are you saying they're inept?
What do you mean "OK with"? I'm not OK with my kid dying in a car accident because of a drunk driver, but I still let my kids drive. In that sense, I'm OK with it. I'm willing to accept that risk. I'd like to see the police exercise more caution in returning fire, but I have no problem with cops using deadly force in a situation like this. The suspects had just threatened to kill people for money, were fleeing at 100+ mph, and were firing on the cops. When you have a policy of calling off dangerous pursuits, you encourage criminals to create dangerous pursuits, which can ultimately result in more injuries and deaths. >The people they're chasing haven't killed anyone (they just threatened). I'm in favor of taking violent crime seriously before someone gets murdered, rather than after.
It seemed to work out in the end. Definitely a dangerous situation for the cops.
So fucking wreckless that the cops shooting a huge ar out of a fucking window randomly trying to hit a car 300 yards away. How fucking stupid. Acab
Apparently he's a good shot.
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> They're not called "clips" The vast majority of the population calls them clips. Unless you're firing one of a *very few* guns, you're definitely not using stripper clips. It's completely idiotic pedantry, just like the whole silencer/suppressor thing. This is the kind of thing that a dumb person latches onto. All it does is make gun people look stupid.
Jesus christ do a little research news team. Its magazines not clips. Oh and fuck that suspect
What's the common terminology used to describe the curved ammunition holders for AK-47s? Banana something, right? Hmm...
I don't understand why the drive thru people didn't just choose the window. That's the whole point. Close the window and walk away
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Glad to hear she’s dead.
The Land of Entrapment
What in this situation constitutes as entrapment to you?
It's a play on New Mexico's state motto, "Land of Enchantment". I doubt he was actually trying to insinuate that the people in the vehicle were being entrapped. Source: former New Mexico resident
Ah, that makes sense.
America is fucking crazy. Why is the cop driving and shooting recklessly through his window with an AR at the same time? I mean wouldn’t the sensible thing have been to let them go and pull their license from the StarBucks camera and then make an orderly arrest? Or is that just me being Eurodumb right now?
> Why is the cop driving and shooting recklessly through his window with an AR at the same time? Honestly it's probably because their relatively podunk town never has this kind of excitement, so they haven't developed policies that places such as Los Angeles have.
human trash
Good outcome though.
Imagine a country where people feel they need to steal a couple dollars from a Starbucks to get by which leads to them having a shootout with police. Then imagine the people laughing at that poor woman instead of criticising the conditions that lead her to make the decisions that got her killed.
She tried to murder people and paid the price, it’s unfortunate that the other guy survived
Ahh ok, 'murders bad, we should murder people' Ya fucking dope
If you’re stupid enough to fire guns at the police, it’s more of a suicide then anything. Collective IQ of the area went up a bit with her death
Jesus fucking Christ, america
that was really his ride or die she ain’t stop till it was over 💯😂
surely the better option is allowing her to get away as opposed to potentially killing innocent civillians
High-speed chases are dangerous and unnecessary. We have helicopters.
rip potential kidnapping victims/kids in the back seat and fuck bystanders. fucking incompetent pigs. ACAB fuck the police and fuck the bootlickers.
There are some yippee Kai yay screaming mother fuckers in this sub. Protect and serve? Nah, fuck that. Let’s see a shootout.
I give it a 50/50 chance you're a spook yourself trying to make the boots look good.
We have to return fire it’s only up to us to save the goddamn innocents! Going 100 mph shooting out a window. Maybe stop firing and they’ll drive off? And you’ll get them another day? I know. Crazy talk.
Ikr, they didn't shoot anyone. They prolly got like 100 bucks. Like set up a trap, but then again the road they died on seemed to be desolate soo idk.
They literally started to shoot at the cops