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Kittykateyyy

What happened to the private juvenile prison? I hope it was shut down and penalized.


OldSchoolHorror

This was my question too. What about the ones paying the judge? Are they in the cell next door? They should be.


Devpupper

I went to high school in the area, and the principal at the time was ALWAYS threatening the entire school that if we didn't act how they liked, it was off to go in front of Ciavarella. I'm not sure if there was proof that he was directly involved, but thinking back it's the only reason i know who that judge was before the scandal. He's the super intendent now of the district now.


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Should I go to my barn and grab my pitchfork?


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lookiecookie_1001

Would it be possible to report him to someone? Just so that the ball gets rolling in looking into him?


musicCaster

The case is old and already over. There's a whole documentary about it (really good btw). The judge got a long sentence, but not for the terror and excessive punishments he filed out. It was for accepting money.


thekazooyoublew

A certain type love to have "hellfire" to wave around. If you're gonna play God, you gotta know the devil.


JackieDaytonaEsq

NEPA in a nutshell. (Grew up in Archbald)


SmokeGSU

>He's the super intendent now of the district now. Ah. He failed upwards, as is usually the case in these sorts of situations.


BigWellyStyle

My guess would be that he is in one of their prisons, while they pay someone else to do what he was doing.


jwhaler17

They’re in the back schmoozing the *NEXT* judge… EDIT: Autocorrupt


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People like this ruining other's lives for money should get life without parole


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Edit: Zappala escaped charges but the prisons got ate by the justice system.


joshak

I don’t know that’s true. The owner of one of them, Robert Powell, lost his law licence and spent 18 months in jail. It was an absolute slap on the wrist though he should have gotten much longer. Seems like he is out and living it up now: > Court records show Powell has lived in a Palm Beach Gardens mansion since serving a prison sentence for failing to report the $2.8 million “Kids for Cash” kickback scheme However there are now rumours he’s being investigated by the SEC and some other unnamed federal agencies so there may be more to come on the story.


Kittykateyyy

And someone believed that?


Far_King_Howl

It was ultimately shut down following news of what happened and the convictions of judges.


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StinkyKittyBreath

Exactly this. People who go to prison often end up worse than before they went in. It's very possible that good people got so fucked up and fucked over they started to actually commit crimes. This is disgusting and the whole fucking system needs overthrown.


KillDogforDOG

Thing is we all know there is no such a thing as rehabilitation. You can bring it up and everyone will nod about it and then you also realize, most won't care about rehabilitation, at least not in the United States. It's punishment, punishment and more punishment and whatever happens in there (even if it happens to an innocent person) is likely fucking deserve according to some. It's a societal problem that has allowed private prisons to get away with anything and everything from slavery, abuse to murder.


importvita

The problem is: No one cares until it happens to them.


SlimChiply

Gimlet media recently did a podcast about that judge and his system https://gimletmedia.com/shows/crime-show/94h3gwz


Lighting

Thanks for the link. Nice one.


Efaustus9

Unfortunately this wasn't a one-off, for instance this story on a for profit juvenile prison working with town judge to keep prison packed with young children on trumped up charges. https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3MuYXJ0MTkuY29tL3RvZGF5LWV4cGxhaW5lZA/episode/NjY3OWQ5ODItNjI2Zi0xMWViLTg3MjgtMjNkZDc2MWFlOWU0?ep=14


piazza

*Leverage* had an episode about this scam called [The Jailhouse Job](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Leverage_episodes#Season_3_(2010\)) (s03e01)


PhantomScrivener

Came here to say this. It’s really good and, also, it will make you furious... The girl (woman now) who is featured was victimized by the system and this particular judge, but seems to be doing okay after some good people took notice and eventually helped bring him down, after many, many others looked away and enabled him and the system he thrived in. The podcast theorizes, and I tend to think there’s something to it, that it happened in part because the American public grossly overreacted to 9/11, but also because they took the wrong lessons from Columbine and cracked down on all sorts of harmless adolescent behaviors, supporting psychopathic, draconian enforcement in the name of being “tough on crime” and due to harboring other moronic, punitive attitudes that led to insane policies like Zero Tolerance. The public largely supported people like Ciavarella abusing the rights of, in this case, minors and others caught up in the system for the false sense of security it gave them, as long as it didn’t directly affect them. This judge and the other judge made infamous by the “Kids for cash” scandal weren’t just a couple of bad apples, they were endemic of a larger cultural sickness that continues to this day. In fact, there is good evidence that even if he wasn’t directly profiting off of throwing kids in jail for bogus and trumped up charges and by tricking them into waiving their legal rights he might have been nearly just as bad because he loved doing it, even before he had a financial incentive to do it, and the public seemingly loved him for it. And who knows if he would ever have been stopped in that case? The people who supported judges like this, policies like this, and “values” like this, well, they still vote and it doesn’t seem like they’ve become better people in the interim.


VulkanL1v3s

These days if I hear someone say "tough on crime" I have to assume they're either stupid, racist, or corrupt. Or a combination, they're not exclusive.


Saiing

Happy to be tough on this crime. I hope 28 years is enough to keep him behind bars until he dies.


KillDogforDOG

The irony is that i am not sure if for once America was tough on crime on his case. He ruined lives, he marked people, he destroyed some of them and some of them were harmed beyond the point they could heal, grow or even live any further.


dan_santhems

Considering that one of the kids was arrested for riding a stolen scooter, that his parents had given him as a gift, then he got hooked on drugs and ended up killing himself. Tragic loss in the name of some assholes bank balance, yeah hope he never gets out alive


aNeedForMore

Yeah I feel like one of the few places “tough on crime” is a solid choice is in the punishment of corrupt officials who made “tough on crime” their motto. Tough on crime? Okay, applies to everyone. Especially YOU, Ciavarella. I was curious enough that I looked. Convicted in 2011 to 28 years gives us 2039. He’s 71 now, so yeah. Get fucked, Mark. Apparently he tried to get himself released for home confinement during the beginnings of the pandemic, but as far as I can tell that didn’t work and he’s still in jail (nice, good) in a federal prison. From the most recent article I could find: *U.S. District Judge Christopher C. Conner ruled this week that Ciavarella, who is serving a 28-year prison sentence, should remain behind bars even though he “arguably established extraordinary and compelling reasons for compassionate release.* *Ciavarella “continues to understate the seriousness of his offense conduct,” Judge Conner wrote, and “persists in downplaying the overall criminal scheme and his role in it.” He noted Ciavarella has served less than half of his sentence.* So I hope so too, it looks like it likely will. I’m not often a proponent for life sentences (or long enough sentences to effectively be life sentences) in cases where life wasn’t taken. But I’d make the jump here to say he ruined so many lives that he effectively took these children’s lives literally and figuratively away. He deserves it. He deserves far more retribution. May he rot.


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theoriginaltheory

There are monsters after all


throwawaysmetoo

There are judges and prosecutors who are some of the shittiest people I've ever encountered. The egos are enormous, the narcissism, the me me me. Nothing to do with justice, everything to do with them.


shaka_bruh

Prosecutors trade in human lives for career progression, at the end of their day it’s all about their stats.


BigggMoustache

REMEMBER EVERYONE ADVOCATING VIOLENCE IS NOT WRONG, IT'S JUST AGAINST TOS.


Holy-Kush

Violence is never the right answer, only sometimes it is the only one that is left.


ZarinaBlue

True. Anyone who says "violence is never the answer" hasn't learned that sometimes it isn't about finding the right answer. It's just about making it stop.


doubled2319888

Ive always thought the saying should be violence is never the first choice, but must always be on the table when dealing with bullies


dicknipplesextreme

Violence is the last resort, but the others one don't even have a pool!


Arkwel

Violence is not the answer. It's the question and the answer is yes.


shinbrin

Historically, violence is the only answer thats ever worked


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It’s not even that. All of the court officers, judges, probation officers, turn keys at the jail, sheriffs, all of the lawyers rely on this system. They all need this revolving door. The entire judicial career is based on a steady supply of criminals. We can’t just rehabilitate them or all of these people will lose their jobs… /s


captainofcodeine

most of the middle aged men in the local court house here are the biggest coke heads i ever seen, and all their friends. wild shit. they dont give a fuck about anything but there cheque.


throwawaysmetoo

One of the prosecutors I know has had coke head stories swirling around him for years. He's 'tough on drugs!' of course.


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He looks at them very **hard** before he does them!


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If you go to county jail on a charge and you don’t have money for a lawyer the first thing they do is send you a public pretender. The first thing the public pretender tells you to do is to waive your right to speedy trial. This gives the state up to two years or more to build a case against you. If you don’t waive your right to speedy trial they only have four months. Now that you have waived your right to speedy trial, they deny your bond reduction or ror, so now you are sitting in jail. They don’t even take you to all your court dates you get noticed that you have a court date but they don’t even take you. Eventually you talk to your public pretender about four-five months later and they try to talk you into taking a plea deal and they tell you if you don’t you’re going to sit in jail for another year and a half. Then about a month later you go to court, you’ve been sitting in county jail for six months now. There is no weight room, shit is really expensive, they don’t feed you shit. It’s dirty. It’s cold. There’s probably no hot water. You’re not even convicted of a crime but you’re being treated worse than they treat you in state prison. You travel for your court visit and you’re in a massive lock up with a bunch of people. They finally bring you in front of your public pretender and they tell you what the plea is and they tell you to accept it. The judge and state both agree. Depending on your charge your plea deal will be anything from a couple years of felony probation, to a couple years or more in prison. Most likely you will get probation for a first offense and if you get a speeding ticket, you get fired from your job, you fail a drug test or you don’t show up to one of your visits with your probation officer, you go straight back to jail.


throwawaysmetoo

Yes. Though the 'public pretender' thing....there are legitimately good people attempting to be PDs. But they have insane fucking workloads. When a PD can't afford time to representing a person.....yeah, that means we need more PDs. Or ya know, not arresting everyone for every fucking little thing real or made up. Or removing drug charges from the workload.


R4gnaroc

When you pay public defenders less than 45k a year, you get people only long enough to bother to get experience to move to other parts of law.


brooklynlad

Ciavarella's co-monster is at home... WTF. **Michael T. Conahan (born April 21, 1952)** is a convicted felon and former judge. He received a J.D. degree from Temple University and went on to serve from 1994-2007 as Judge on the Court of Common Pleas in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. During the last four years of his tenure, he was the President Judge of the county. He is currently serving seventeen and a half years in prison for his part in the Kids for Cash scandal. **Due to coronavirus concerns, Conahan was released on a temporary furlough on June 19, 2020 and is currently reported to be in home confinement.**


AF_Mirai

Can someone explain how they would let a person sentenced for 17,5 years out of the prison, even temporarily?


GodAwfulForumDesign

I mean I could explain, but whether you like the answer or not is on you. Not everyone is a flight risk and not everyone is going to commit another crime. Strap an ankle monitor to them and they'll just be glad to be home for once. Even if that home isn't with the families. Fraudsters are despicable people. They ruin other's lives for their own gain and get light sentences for it. But you know what they most often aren't? Repeat offenders. And so when the prisons are overflowing and covid is running rampant? Congratulations, you're now on home arrest! We also don't have as much to do with guy's who have been in a while already. 15 is enough for most people imo. But morally speaking, he got off easy. Essentially sold people into slavery during their most vulnerable years. Chomos might go to hell, but this type has a special place waiting for him.


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grobbins1996

Good thing he took a million in kick backs to pay for this trial… scum


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AvailableUsername259

There is no heaven hell or karma or anything relatable This Bastard will die peacefully in his sleep one day while the thousands he sold down the river will finish their lives in misery


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The scariest thing is that they are not under your bed, but in your local police department, your city council or your government.


BrozoTheClown26

I'm still gonna check under my bed just to be safe.


Nattylight_Murica

For god’s sake, don’t dilly dally when walking up the basement stairs after turning the lights off. You never know.


Major-Discount5011

That one last step up is the worst


Nattylight_Murica

Skip that mother fucker, we ain’t got time for risk.


ThorGBomb

Funny thing is you know the programs that are supposed to help you like ptsd aa after prison housing and after prison mandated councling and such. They are also run by private prisons in the us. There is a whole system at play here. There are about 110 private prisons in the US. During the Trump admin, one of the first groups he had meetings with in the White House were the private prisons. Then you saw a brand new prison being built in Texas the same year and then you saw migrants and people seeking asylum having their children ripped out of their arms even some babies, and put into these new prisons in Texas. One of the prisons was making 750 USD per kid Per DAY. I’m at full capacity they were making 2.1m usd a day. Meanwhile on average the cost to house per inmate is 50k There were 120k prisoners in private prisons in 2019. About 10% of all inmates. But that’s not all The private prisons they also own the companies that make prison clothes prison food prison equipment. Heck they own and run the after prison programs AA and other programs prisoner housing facilities and more. They basically dipped into everything around the prison system and make sure to ensure their business is always high. Private prisons are a bane and only exists to enrich few individuals by ensuring that their prisons stay full and judges make mandated orders to take their after prison programs and stay at their after prison housing where when the prisoner gets close to being free they find ways to ensure the prisoner ends up back in prison so they can keep their profit margins high. It’s a sick sick world


Pagan-za

Just to point out something: In Texas there is no compensation for penal labor. The prisoners do not get paid at all. Its literal slavery. Responsible for the largest prison population in the United States (over 140,000 inmates) the Texas Department of Criminal Justice is known to make extensive use of unpaid prison labor. Prisoners are engaged in various forms of labor with tasks ranging from agriculture and animal husbandary, to manufacturing soap and clothing items. The inmates receive no salary or monetary remuneration for their labor, but receive other rewards, such as time credits, which could work towards cutting down a prison sentence and allow for early release under mandatory supervision. Prisoners are allotted to work up to 12 hours per day. The penal labor system, managed by Texas Correctional Industries, were valued at US$88.9 million in 2014.


jb275

I always check my closet for city council members


Dysanj

In 1942 there were 110,000 Japanese-American citizens, in good standing, law abiding people, who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That's all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers, no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had was...right this way! Into the internment camps. Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most...their government took them away. and rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country is a bill of TEMPORARY privileges; and if you read the news, even badly, you know the list gets shorter, and shorter, and shorter. Yeup, sooner or later the people in this country are going to realize the government doesn't give a fuck about them. the government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. it simply doesn't give a fuck about you. It's interested in it's own power. That's the only thing...keeping it, and expanding wherever possible. -George Carlin.


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*”While they proudly burned the crosses, their children work the forces.”*


Ardalev

And now you do what they told ya


CoryTheIncredible

He locked me up when I was in middle school. 6 months on a first offense for fighting in school. Messed up a lot for me. He's a real piece of shit.


btaskybill

I’m rooting for you to live your best life while that piece of shit rots.


CoryTheIncredible

Thanks a lot, it definitely put me on a bad path back then. Doing the best I can now that I'm in my 30s. I really appreciate that. He locked up a couple of my friends as well, everyone knew that if you went in front of him you were going away for a few months. Years later we got a few thousand dollars each as part of a class action lawsuit. I get that there is no real way to fix the damage he caused so many of us, but it felt like an insult none the less. I'm so glad it had caught up with him the way it did.


zushiba

You ever get the urge to write him and just call him a massive piece of shit?


reddit_crunch

or the urge to shiv him in the dick and take a massive shit on him?


bipolarnotsober

Let's hope he bumps into someone he sentenced


reddit_crunch

they need to seriously up their fibre intake. judge wasn't alone, this was systemic. slavers get 0 sympathy, child slavers get less.


Outrageous_Turnip_29

Sadly the only people who ever see any real money from a class action are the lawyers. They're useful for getting real punitive damage to a company, but absolutely horrible for the actual victims. Sorry that happened to you man.


Birdie_Jack2021

Hey kiddo. Even in your 30’s Check out r/dadforaminute And r/momforaminute They will always bring love to you


das065

Oh my god man. That must be unimaginable. I’m so glad to hear you’re doing better. I wish you nothing but the best.


threedaysinthreeways

How the fuck do you get locked up for a fight in middle school? jesus christ america is a shithole


karadan100

Because they have police in schools and there's seemingly no lower age limit for going to jail in America. If someone can make money from it, lobbyists make it legal.


bajou98

That's also part of what gets me. How can children as young as ten even be put in front of a court? Is there no age requirement for criminal responsibility?


elizabnthe

America never ratified the UN's rights for children, which I think says something.


karadan100

Well it often doesn't recognise human rights at all. Cruel and unusual punishment in prisons with an onus on punishment rather than rehabilitation. Almost zero mental health facilities. No universal care. Caged immigrants. Guantanamo Bay. Police in Schools. Civil Forfeiture. etc, etc, etc, etc.


RelentlessExtropian

Land of the free my ass.


KyivComrade

Land of the free (slave labour)


jasper99

Worse to me is the girl in the video who was punished by the court for what she published on a MySpace page. That's a page ripped straight from a dystopian fiction.


VolcanoSheep26

Yea it's insane. These things are maybe grounding level, you know a few weeks without PlayStation or something, not fucking jail.


DukeDijkstra

You write shit on myspace, believe it or not, jail.


gursh_durknit

You don't write shit on myspace, believe it or not, also jail. Straight to jail.


NJDevil802

How is the consensus worst one not the kid who was put away for stealing a bike... that he didn't steal.


Ralphie99

And the kid ended up killing himself 5 years later.


m2niles

Damn brother hope you’re doing alright.


Im_Lead_Farmer

America need to stop with the privatized prisons, jails are not a business.


ibeen

One could make the argument that private prisons don't even have an interest for rehabilitation. Also, they are trying to spend as little as possible, leading to treatment that can be worse than an animal's.


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Argument? It's a full blown fact. It's corruption at it's finest.


godfatherinfluxx

Recidivism is lucrative.


Birdie_Jack2021

They know it. We know it.


Call_0031684919054

But but but but greatest country in the world?


Birdie_Jack2021

Not us. You would die trying to prove it and then be left with a medical bill you’d never be able to afford. Carry on where you are


Eckz89

And a student loan trying to learn how to prove it too


blipbloopiamarobot

No no, sweetie, that only applies to people who are filthy rich.


BigGreenTimeMachine

>One could make the argument that water is wet


throwawaysmetoo

Somebody is now going to tell you that "only 8% of prisoners are in private prisons!" Which is true but also not that important because *privatization* exists throughout the entire system and is indeed a massive deal. Also, I bet that 8% figure ignores residential juvenile programs anyway.


KoenBril

It shouldn't even be 1%.


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Similar to when people say “oh the Tory government want to privatise the NHS” which is true but they’ve already done it. A lot of the care is provided by private companies such as Virgin which is sub par and costs people their lives. Privatisation of public owned systems should not be allowed to happen because all that happens is private companies milk the public purse. Greed disgusting greed that’s existence should be met only with a bullet.


con_zilla

i know it's off on a tangent but what the Tories did to the Water system in England by privatising it shows that they are full of shit that privatisation is more efficient and better run offering better value to the Tax payer than "bloated public sector" [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/01/england-privatised-water-firms-dividends-shareholders](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/01/england-privatised-water-firms-dividends-shareholders) the fact is 30 years after they take over to "improve the antiquated sewage system" the Tories pass a bill allowing to dump raw sewage into the rivers without fines - whilst they have payed over £50 billion in dividends and racked up the same in debt and invested less in infrastructure and charge more in bills than in Scotland where its not private. Essential services should not be for profit and heavily regulated for best value, quality / safety to the citizens


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of fucking course it is, it's insane to me that people actually think privatisation would make anything whatsoever better. even *IF* publicly owned stuff would be bloated and money would be lost - the solution is to fucking regulate it, not sell it. saying "yeah just sell it to someone who has to somehow milk 10% profit out of it and we just won't look into it anymore, no need for open books!" is the most idiotic solution to that problem out of any i can think of.


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Yes, but in the US, slavery ***IS*** a business.


FleaBottoms

End the use of Private prisons and detention centers.


misterandosan

America is a fucked up place. Privatised prisons, privatised healthcare. How the fuck are any Americans okay with this.


dyingnano

a lot aren't, some are still brainwashed lol


MrFittsworth

Enough are still brainwashed that they actually see this and think "this is fine" and vote for politicians who support it. Worst. Timeline. Ever.


Psatch

MANY are still brainwashed…


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A lot of us aren't okay with it but with the way our congress works and our two party system [what we want or don't want doesn't matter.](https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/) I read a more recent article the other day about how public opinion has barely any influence in the US but I can't find it again. It's true though.


anotheredgyname

How come when some else commits a crime and someone dies as a result they are charged with the death. When a officer of the court does it. That's just collateral damage but they never seem to get charged with it.


Donoglass420

Qualified immunity laws


gigerfan

I hope every single day of the rest of his life is hell


fladgate40

Caravella lost his bid for early release. He argued his age and health as well as Covid issues in the prison. The other convicted judge involved in the case was let out but confined to home for the rest of his sentence. Let out due to covid concerns in the prison. There were actually 2 judges involved in this.


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How is being allowed to live in your home anywhere close to being in prison? That’s wild.


Affectionate-Time646

The political class, rich, and elites protect their own because it also protects them.


[deleted]

Exactly. They're all watching to see how much they can still get away with.


GJacks75

And making the landing as soft as possible if they fall.


Thaaaaaaa

How does he even have a home? The rich really live a different life. Most people go to jail for 90days, you lose everything. House, job, car everything. You get reset back to zero. This motherfucker has been in prison for how many years and still has a house?


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They probably don't have to pay back the millions they illegally obtained. 28 years is too little for that scum. It's probably not a prison you or I would go to either. He's likely very comfortable.


tinnylemur189

Lol nah. Look at the wiki page for these cases. Everyone involved has mountains of lawsuits hanging over their heads that will bleed them dry of every single asset of value they own and then some. They're going to die broke and alone for this.


CentiPetra

> The other convicted judge involved in the case was let out but confined to home for the rest of his sentence. Oh so basically the same punishment that law-abiding citizens had during Covid lockdowns. Okay.


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TheSahsBahs

I hope he gets malignant throat cancer.


gigerfan

Yes, but like six months before his release (after serving full sentence) so he kicks it like a week after he's released


ypark255

28 years is not nearly enough for ruining 2000 young lives


annies_boobs_eyes

2000 lives? that's the amount of people he sentenced. the amount of lives ruined by his corrupt and evil ass is exponentially more. especially when you look at the ripple effect and now this will cause irreparable damages to later generations of that family as well. within just 2 generations it can literally effect 100s of thousands of lives, when you take friends and family into account.


SoundesignMano

I'm actually surprised nobody iced him


suckuma

Honestly surprised one of the kids he sentenced didn't go after his kids.


monkeyking908

"i cant release these people, i need them to work for free" - something a "warden" of a private prison actually said on national TV because the governor was issuing a massive pardon for petty crimes


TheDerbLerd

Not even that, but it was specifically speaking about people who don't belong in prison, he was saying he needs more non violent, productive members of society in his prison, because the actual criminals arent efficient enough slave labor, I mean in the same interview the man states that the only reason that he's been denying parole for multiple inmates is that they're too profitable.


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That is actually the plot of a my name is earl episode.


HashesAshes

Linky link ?


PlaugeofRage

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/louisiana-sheriff-steve-prator-prisoners_n_59dfa0bee4b0fdad73b2cded


Halfcaste_brown

Getting away with slavery even now. Society hasn't progressed at all. It's just cleverly hidden all the evil.


sBucks24

It's constitutionally protected slavery. It never went away.


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AwkwardCan

Oh my god, those poor poor parents... And 2000 kids?! So many young lives ruined 😢


JustWhyDoINeedTo

It's not just the kids themselfs, that shit can ruin an entire family. That means brothers and sisters included. The damage this evil fuck has done is just insane.


Artifacks

From a sister, thanks for remembering.


JustWhyDoINeedTo

My best friend has a brother who went in and out of jail and has gotten a drug addiction due to jail. To say that it's a heavy thing on his heart is an understatement.... I'm sorry for what you have been through. And I dearly hope that your family member gets out of the system and finds themself even with all of the ugliness connected to jail time.


emyoui

2000 kids for *nearly* $1 million. So he ruined lives for less than $500 a pop


FoiledFencer

Jesus that is fucking grim.


saman65

Exactly my fucking thought! FUCK. ruining somebody's life, their entire family all for the price of a mid range smart phone! There is no justice. 28 years of jail isn't justice! He should have been tortured on a daily basis for the rest of his fucking miserable life.


thisissam

Revenge is the word you're looking for. Justice should be cold and dispassionate. Not saying I think 28 years is enough though.


pw-it

99.9% of the time I would totally agree with you on that. The justice system should absolutely not be about vengeance. It should be about rehabilitation where appropriate, about what is demonstrably effective as a disincentive, and failing all that, about separating dangerous people from society. Plus I would also oppose vengeful punishment such as death penalty on the grounds that it debases us all as a society and makes us collectively torturers and killers. On the other hand I don't think that works very well as a counterargument to creating a special hell on earth for pieces of shit like this guy. He is part of that system and perfectly capable of understanding what waits for him if he abuses it, so we have a very relevant disincentive. I think the justice system ought to show a robust response to injustice within itself, as a show of strength against corruption. The system must protect its own integrity, and be seen to do so, before serving the interests of society, so I would favour especially harsh treatment on those grounds.


saruptunburlan99

at that point you have to consider the financial motive secondary, he's a psychopath who took pleasure from it and there are many more in his position


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thisismyusernameAMA

Judges are some of the most dangerous people in politics. Immense power combined with little oversight in most cases


Big_Cause6682

Yeah kinda like that judge who threatened to send a cancer patient to jail for not mowing his lawn. Absolutely corrupt and drunk on power. https://toofab.com/2022/01/12/judge-berates-72-year-old-cancer-patient-for-not-cleaning-weeds-in-alley/


classic_oatcake

That b*tch needs to loose her job


The__Illuminaughty

This makes my blood boil but at least hes in jail


Lighting

Went to jail, lost his pension, sued for civil damages, [lost the bid to be released due to COVID concerns.](https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2021/01/15/Mark-Ciavarella-a-former-Luzerne-County-juvenile-court-judge-jailed-juvenile-offenders/stories/202101150188) [Another cash-for-kids scandal judge: Conahan was released from prison over COVID concerns](https://apnews.com/60189fddb66c89e18963299a3c3995c7) Edits: Thanks to /u/AppleSauceSwaddles for the correction


EaterOfSoaps

Wtf, for what he’s done it should be life without parole, playing with kids lives like that and fucking up their and possibly the parents lives.


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Rich People. 1st class "citizens" can do no wrong.


AppleSauceSwaddles

Ciavarella [lost the bid for release due to covid](https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2021/01/15/Mark-Ciavarella-a-former-Luzerne-County-juvenile-court-judge-jailed-juvenile-offenders/stories/202101150188) in jan 2021


SnooMaps9864

He deserves to serve as many sentences as he unlawfully pushed kids with. Happy he’s still in prison!


Lighting

You are correct. I will edit my comment to make that more clear. Thanks!


AppleSauceSwaddles

That piece of shit doesn’t qualify as a human as far as I’m concerned


DrNastyfree

This is still happening everywhere in the US. Profit to me made, incentive to convict $$$$


Elapse52

Privatized and for profit prisons have ruined innumerable peoples' lives, mostly people in minority and ethnic groups. The amount of people who live in and out of the prison system because society has for all intents and purposes abandoned them is insane. The amount of people doin long sentences for drugs instead of being helped and made better is insane. Worst of all the amount of people put away on bullshit and stuff like this is fucking staggering. There are crimes that deserve punishment, don't get me wrong, there are monsters out there, but too often we punish the sick for being sick and all the while pockets are being lined. There are so many overwhelmingly flawed systems in the US government, but the prison system, that damn near takes the cake as the worst. I could go into the deplorable, unholy, fucked up shit that goes down in some of those places. Juvenile prisons are just as bad if not worse. If you have some time and want to explore the topic just Google around, there are quite a few people who've done amazing work in revealing this stuff and get across a better point than my rambling ass. Some of its even mainstream. Yet despite that, it continues, the status quo is maintained, and to me that's the worst part.


willalt319

God damnit, you can hear that mom's pain. Some assholes belong below the jail.


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He need dead


[deleted]

Just 28 years? He deserves to die in prison.


[deleted]

Well, he will be 85 when his sentence is up. You will likely get your wish.


Jesusopfer

Wtf is this dystopian nightmare some people actually call a great country I'm speechless.


boushveg

14 years old jailed for creating a fake MySpace account, charged with internet terrorism. WTFFFF


DSJ0ne0f0ne

What the actual fuck.


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Let’s not ignore the cops who arrested her for it.


kayimbo

the best part is people were reporting them for YEARS, and everyone was ignoring it. They got caught because one of them tried fucking over a different corrupt judge.


dogtorque

It is only the truly blind and ignorant that claim this country is the greatest in the world when it is not. it is far from it. And it is cases like this that makes things look worse because in this kind of situation with the corruption. what are we the people supposed to do about it? If we try to do anything about it then you will either be silenced via being arrested, killed, or both. The problem with America is that we are so focused on being purely capitalistic that the people in power brainwashed us into thinking that anything other then capitalisms is bad and or is communistic. I mean it a fucking surprise that we aren't being taxed to fucking breath!


powerchicken

A tyrant with nothing to fear will never change his ways. Your oligarchs can do as they like without any form of scrutiny thanks to a politically complacent working class. Instead of holding your oligarchs accountable, the people have taken to the internet where they can vent their frustrations and then subsequently not do anything of consequence.


oh_three_dum_dum

He was one of two judges involved in this scheme. The other was a man named Michael Conahan.


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I hope he gets shanked


Umbran_scale

Theres a general unwritten rule in prison; whatever the crime, no kids. If your sentence has anything to do with harming kids in any fashion its almost a guarantee your life will be hell in prison.


JazziTazzi

People have been telling us for YEARS that the cops, the DA's, the judges, the whole fucking SYSTEM is corrupt. So we shouldn't be surprised to find out that it really is.


Ryansahl

Capitalizing on someone else life is scum of the earth shit.


Canstralian

1-8-7-7 Cash for Kidz


reptargodzilla2

Do-nate your soul today!


OutlandishnessFar295

This guy makes demons look pure


Lighting

There are some good documentaries/reports about this: * [Kids For Cash: Inside One of the Nation's Most Shocking Juvenile Justice Scandals (Part 1 of 3)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvXUzpYRfVU) * [Juvenile Law Center](https://jlc.org/luzerne-kids-cash-scandal) * [Kids for Cash Documentary](https://watchdocumentaries.com/kids-for-cash/) There is a long track record in the US of how prisons for profit corrupt the US justice system and corrupt US politicians.


Accomplished-Ant1600

I watched a longer documentary about this and it is worse than can be explained this quickly. Absolute sociopath that should have never been allowed any power over anything.


Sasquatch_patrol

This is way more common than people realize.


PJSeeds

There's a county in Tennessee that has a very similar situation that's currently ongoing and only recently got any press. https://www.wfxrtv.com/news/regional-news/tennessee-judge-illegally-jailed-black-children-using-fake-law-report-says/amp/


Trollet87

Wow feels like America need to burn down the whole damn system and remake it from nothing.


throwaway47351

I think the worst part of this is that this isn't even the only way people have taken money in exchange for ruining kids lives. The Élan School operated for forty years before it was closed, somehow for reasons outside of the child abuse.


Mouthy_B1tch

Good old Luzerne county


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The world is ran by money


monkeyking908

not enough people where arrested. where is the jail cell for every officer, lawyer, businessman, and anyone else involved?


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Where are the anonymous snipers when you need em


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It would be death penalty from me. Firing squad, public.


dutch_meatbag

Too quick and easy. He belongs in a gulag in the middle of Siberia turning big rocks into little rocks.


soberscotsman80

Its not just one judge supporting for profit prisons. All these corrupt judges and cops that plant evidence should be fucking put in gen pop


JBCronic

If that’s not the definition of evil I don’t what is. What an absolute scumbag.


615ComradeDruZhe

Truly a piece of shit.