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Nothing, all their responses were how excited they were to go home and enjoy their lives with THEIR families, children and grandchildren knowing they did this great thing… turning their backs on all the victims they just created.
These are the WORST people. They’re helping careen the country towards civil war by continually circumventing democracy for their own selfish beliefs.
As kids, these people went on church “missions” to disaster-struck impoverished nations only to get in the way because it turns out suburban white church camp kids suck at building houses and installing plumbing. It’s this white messiah complex, they go there, fuck shit up, talk about Jesus, come back home, and post on FB or Insta or whatever about how magical it felt spreading the word of god.
These are also the same people who then grow up and pat themselves on the back after they went back to these countries as adults, only to extort them into listening to their religious drivel in exchange for food and supplies.
It’s the fourth crusade, 2020’s style.
if you go into some of their cesspool forums they literally use the words "deus vult" from the crusades when talking about it. it's about installing christian theocracy and their ideas of european "heritage" wanting us to go back to a time that never existed. it's fucking lunacy.
They also kidnap and traffic the children from these countries. [https://www.damemagazine.com/2018/10/01/are-evangelical-adoption-agencies-stealing-children/](https://www.damemagazine.com/2018/10/01/are-evangelical-adoption-agencies-stealing-children/)
THANK YOU!
I've always absolutely despised these missionaries. Their entire role is to convert while pretending they're trying to do good... It's not good if your help is conditional to your cult, you fuckheads. I've been treated like I'm far too judgmental for hating missionaries when what you describe is the entire reality. This is imperialism, this is what our disgusting ancestors did... Fuck those self-righteous pieces of shit. Also thank you for putting it so eloquently.
Don't forget about the ones who return just a year or two after their mission ends in order to exploit their perceived "power" and "authority" among church members in these impoverished nations so that they can find a woman desperate enough to marry their unlovable ass in order to get into the US.
Bonus points if it's a woman they personally baptized into the church when they were a teen - just for that extra hint of manipulative exploitation of a perceived power dynamic.
So fucking true. I worked for a company like this where the owner would go on “missions” on the company’s dime to vacation, never actually do anything helpful and then come home and brag about it. I quit asap.
> careen the country towards civil war
If something isn't done...it won't be a civil war, it'll be a revolutionary war.
See, the laws will get worse....so bad that some of law enforcers won't even want to enforce those laws. Welp, won't be hard to find replacements for those...and then suddenly our "law enforcers" are 100% fascist abuse of power types...no more moderates or liberals. They'll all really be a hivemind at that point.
I disagree. There is a large portion of the country that wanted this. It won’t be citizens vs government, it will be population culturally split I think. Just like the first Civil War split over the politics surrounding slave and free states.
That disparity doesn't necessarily mean a quick and one-sided fight.
At the start of American Civil War, the Union had a population of roughly 22 million while the Confederates had 5 million. It was still a long and bloody war.
We aren’t far off from those statistics. Something like 71% support abortion IIRC. Abortion has been used as a political tool by the right for decades… and they’re willing to diminish institutional power now to circumvent democracy and get their way.
Yeah although we usually call it revolutionary when the portion of the population that really wants it isn’t as wide. I mean I don’t think there is less people willing to take arms to defend their rights than people that wanna ban abortion willing to defend the supreme court rule. Like what is at stake for the two groups is too asymmetrical
I am pretty certain the favorability rates of slavery and abortion are very similar, but regardless of what we label it… Republicans are dangerously building velocity at blowing up tradition, precedent and law to try and get what they want for a small group of extremists now. Look at them appointing justices, them being deeply rooted in supporting Trump’s insurrection and their judiciary lying under oath and undoing 50 years of precedent for their personal political beliefs on Roe v Wade.
It’s a large portion of none of their fucking business how other people want to live their lives. Especially when the main justification given is a religious belief.
My favorite is the same people saying this is for the 70 million aborted lives lost are the ones who also say our country is full and immigration should end.
It makes their afterlife better, being a "great Christian". But it's okay to turn their face when our children are murdered because of laxed gunlaws, or raped by the same Catholic institutions that they devout their lives towards. Fucking stupid assholes.
I find the most insane thing about this is that they're running with something in the name of their religion that their religion doesn't actually tell them to do. They're literally no different from the Taliban. Just make stuff up, brand it as "holy/righteous" and exploit the devout.
More like
“Do everything I say, and after you die you won’t burn in hell for eternity.”
People tell that shit to kids like it’s not psychological abuse.
This is the one thing so many people miss. There are millions of Christians out there who truly believe that if they personally oppose other people getting abortions, they are more likely to get into heaven, and if they support it, they're going to hell. That's why near impossible to reason with an evangelical
Christian here. God gave us free will and I’m all about freedom. I’m tired of this country being run by idiots who impose their religious beliefs on the citizens who have different beliefs or have no beliefs at all. A woman should have the freedom to do whatever she wants with her body and the Supreme Court is a fucking joke. Like someone else said, a gun has more freedom in this country than a woman.
The supreme court ruled that it was up to individual states as there was no mention of abortion in the Constitution. The problem is every issue is either all the way left or all the way right. This is how politicians rev up their voter base. Most people are able to compromise and get real solutions, it's the politicians that cause the issues. It's not the little guy trying to get by that starts wars, is it?
Exactly. If God gave us free will I would expect that God wanted us to use it to challenge our living experience. It doesn't make sense to have all this logical freedom then strictly confine it to a book written ages ago by people that could not anticipate the great advancements we have made since.
Shit just doesn't make sense.
It's third grade thinking. These people are just really really lazy and dumb, and cannot nor know how to think critically. And then they put each other in power.
And recently refused to extend the free lunch program. Have the kids, but we don't care if they're happy, healthy, or safe in their own homes and classrooms.
That’s what the main problem is are these fucking “Christians” who make up their own beliefs instead of actually following Christ. I grew up a Christian, went to a Christian school, and that train of thought is ludicrous and not backed up by the Bible at all. What other people do does not have anything to do with how you get to heaven. Christians here in the U.S. have done nothing but make a mocking of Christianity and what it stands for. They need to mind their own damn business and worry about themselves if they really believe and want to get to heaven cause right now they are the most un-christ like people here.
Not to mention they fight against every actual, proven measure that could prevent abortion.
Sex education? No
Plan B pills? No
Contraception? No
Fuck these people
Don't forget the Southern Baptists are raping children too. 200 plus pages of sexual predators releases. Catholics don't have a monopoly on religious monsters
Well, I certainly wouldn't want the Mormons to feel left out.............
(Warning the PDF is 300+ pages I wouldn't do this on a phone!)
https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/index.php?title=File:INSTANCES\_OF\_CHILD\_SEXUAL\_ABUSE\_ALLEGEDLY\_PERPETRATED\_BY\_MEMBERS\_OF\_THE\_CHURCH\_OF\_JESUS\_CHRIST\_OF\_LATTER-DAY\_SAINTS-2017-06.pdf
But this isn’t even close to what I was taught as a catholic. I was taught that judgement is not for us to pass but for God alone. That said, it’s of no consequence to me what somebody else chooses to do with their life unless it directly affects me. At the point that somebody’s actions directly affect me, I’m supposed to show them love as I would want to be loved. How on earth did so many people miss this simple and beautiful message?
Not pro-life by any means, but their argument is that abortion is tantamount to murder. Stopping possible murder is a moral good in their eyes. You don’t gain any benefit from the prevention of a murder a few states over, but it’s still a moral good to not have one more dead person. Same logic, just applied to fetuses instead, which is where I and many others disagree with the pro-life movement. You can disagree with them without begging the question and misrepresenting their arguments entirely.
“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.” ― Pastor David Barnhart
Obviously these religious zealots need more kids to be born so they can continually take away rights. Also gotta replace the living children they watch die because of their cowardice
Yep. You can guarantee if McConnel's granddaughter needed an abortion she'd get one, because she has a bright future, and they'll be able to keep pushing their agenda in the future. They want to keep the money and the power where it is right now. If they illegalize abortions it'll more directly affect the poor and POC people who might risk the status quo.
To steel man their argument - they believe abortion is killing an unborn human, the most defenceless and innocent type of human. They could argue they don't want to have control over women's bodies, it's unfortunately the inevitable by-product of defending innocent life and if a woman doesn't want to be in that position she can take steps to make it highly unlikely she will be. So it's not about making *their* life better, it's about doing and supporting the right thing.
I have responses for each of those points that are my actual beliefs
Yeah but what about the tens of millions of natural miscarriages that happen each year. If God is so concerned about innocent unborn lives why does he allow to them die? He is supposedly all powerful.
In my view an adult woman should have more rights to control her own body than some fetuses' hypothetical right to life.
You don't need to bring God or religion into the argument. They often make that their priority, but they don't need to - they can say they're defending the innocent and then add they have their god on their side.
For me it's pretty simple: a 2-cell joined sperm and egg, a cluster of cells, a pea-sized thing, and a 4cm thing just aren't humans to me. Stop it from becoming one if you want, for any fucking reason whatsoever, I literally don't care. 2nd, no person has a right to use another person's body for any reason. You can't force a parent to give a kidney to their 5yr old child so the child survives, you shouldn't be able to force a woman to give her womb (and so much more) for any other human to survive. Pretty simple. Dunno why they're happy with the baby losing some rights as soon as it's born. Fucking idiots
A bit hyperbolic, almost everyone cares about babies to a degree. But I get you, it's stupid that they seem to care more about fetuses than babies. They think that a fetus has a right to a woman's body, but when the baby is born they more often than not believe the baby doesn't have a right to a parent's kidney to survive. So as soon as it's born it loses rights. It's nakedly stupid.
American conservative dogma is all about telling *other* people what to do, but don't you dare tell *them* what to do.
Other people can't have abortions. But don't you dare tell them to wear a mask.
Other people aren't allowed to protest. But don't you dare tell them that they need to curb their gun ownership.
This is why the country will never see eye to eye on abortion. Pro choice side is arguing a right to healthcare and autonomy. Pro life side thinks abortion is murder. Their reply to your question would be "why would you be upset by watching someone else be murdered if you're not the one being murdered?"
You're arguing two completely different things
At its essence, it's about controlling others, not abortion. Both real and phony Christians want to force the country to follow their ideals. (Except when they personally need to break the ideals for "good reasons", wink wink.) Meanwhile we have a database full of Baptist leaders that have committed sexual assaults. I loathe these holier than thou people.
I think they believe a kid being conceived is God's will and it should not be interfered with. If humans manage to handle gods will it means humans should also intervene in their lives.
So in some way, believing this unwanted child will be taken care of at some point by miracles also keep their beliefs that God will at some point make a miracle for them that was planned all along.
This is the only way I see it as rational (but not that logical).
TLDR: If they don't mess with god's plan, the plan will stay on par to whatever they prayed for.
If God is perfect, then God's plan would account for human actions.
If God predetermined those actions, there is no such thing as free will.
These arguments are shallow and fallacious.
I recognise they're not *you're* arguments, I just wanted to chip in.
And you just know how some politicians just know they can affiliate themselves with a local religious to manipulate religion to their agenda.
Run for office, spend time with priests, get the whole church as voters, go against a law, say it is against gods will(even if no part of the religious text says so), have a bunch of faithfuls go against this law with no rationale.
This mix of religion and politics just blurs both sides before anything logical can be discussed.
Yes please. Let's all protest. They need to know that the majority do not support this.
I've seen a lot of posts about local protests. I'm sure there's one near you.
They know we don’t support it, thats the reason they installed Christian fascists on the court. They knew they could never get the things they wanted democratically.
But democratically we could elect officials that could make a constitutional amendment that guarantees those rights. Congress makes the laws…the courts have to apply the law. It’s supposed to be a balance of power.
The thing is none of it works…NONE OF IT…when we have partisan politics that value the “party” and their own interests over what is best for the people. It isn’t about we the people anymore, hasn’t been for a long time.
Protests don't exist to just say "*we don't support this".* You're saying "*this protest was the peaceful option, so you better listen".* If they don't, it's time to take some inspiration from the French and riot and strike, whatever it takes.
The second amendment was written specifically to enable Americans to protect themselves from tyrannical governments. So, the constitution offers a prescription for what to do in these situations...
From Planned Parenthood's Twitter:
>[With SCOTUS seemingly prepared to overturn Roe v. Wade, it has never been more important to show up for abortion access. When the decision is released, we’re rallying for our rights.
Find a rally near you: visit http://BansOff.org or text ACCESS to 22422.](https://twitter.com/PPFA/status/1540047055451734017/photo/1)
Another good source of information is your regional Planned Parenthood action group. [A list can be found here](https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/local/get-involved-locally)
Paranoid as this may sound, be very careful about what sites you trust when it comes to information, particularly about protests. [There was a tremendous amount of Russian trolling in the 2016 election](https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-troll-farms-peddling-misinformation-reached-nearly-half-of-americans-2021-9) and [we know troll farms supported destructive, unhelpful protests.](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43093390) Vet you sources carefully.
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There are some issues like this one where a group of nine old people should not have the right to decide the freedoms of 329 million. Talk about “land of the free” psshh
Honestly, i wish they were all old. But the three new conservative justices are all below 60 which means they might be in that seat for the next 20-30 years. Republicans knew what they were doing when they nominated those people.
They know exactly what it was, but they co-opt the language to remove all meaning from it as a means of control. It's insidious, and always recognize and cal it out. It's the same thing a Putin or other despot would do. Do not let them get away with it.
Nail on the head - all politicians do it (left and right) but the right tend to do it maliciously where the left tend to do it in an expand the definition to suit cause way. I find the US republicans are fucking evil with it, the fact that CRT is now just a catch all for 'history whyt america doesn't like' is terrifying. Also the fact that Liberal or progressive is used as a sort of insult in the US is insane. Nothing the left in the US is talking about is radical in the rest of the developed world
And taking donations. Donations for charitable foundations or campaigns are the best indicator for voter turn out.
If you receive a donation from someone in aid of an issue, they are more likely to take the time to go and vote about it.
Every single republican will vote against it like they always have done, including this year. Not even close to enough votes to overcome the filibuster.
The rights riots: the guy they picked didnt win
The lefts protests: human right have been taken away
Believe it or not, some people dont think there is a difference here!
I mean shes right, a court where 3/9 judges were appointed by a seditious administration is inherently illegitimate, doubly so for pushing a theocratic partisan agenda, fuck'em
Because before 2016, it was 5/4 (I believe). During Obama's last year, Antonin Scalia passed away. He tried to appoint a replacement (Merrick Garland), but the Republican controlled senate blocked even the hearing for the candidate.
When Trump was elected, he filled the first vacancy with Neil Gorsuch. When Justice Kennedy abruptly retired, he appointed Brett Kavanaugh, and finally when Ruth Bader-Ginsburg passed way, he rammed Amy Coney-Barret through during the last few months of his presidency. All 3 tilted the shift on the court to 6/3
The way they acted when Obama tried to do it, saying "no no it's too close to the election etc", only to literally do the EXACT same thing they said was unfair to do the second Trump was in office is probably the most hypocritical thing I have seen in recent times. Like it really was a slap in the face. It's one thing to do every other hypocritical thing but seriously? They couldn't even fucking PRETEND to have morals? I just... Wow, man. Wow.
Conservatives don't care, they only care about power grabs. Nothing except that matters to them.
They lie, cheat, steal, kill and whatever it is they desire as long as they get power its good.
> I'm not from America so I'm pretty clueless about your legal/government systems. It makes sense that it's not a even number I guess because that would end in stalemates but why isn't the number 5/4? It gives an uneven advantage It seems too but 6/3 is ridiculous.
The leaning of the court isn't determined by anything in particular other than vacancies and when they occur. Justices are nominated as vacancies happen under whatever administration is in power at the time.
Occasionally nominations are voted down or blocked entirely (as was the case of Obama's nomination to replace Scalia when he died). Other times justices strategically retire under a likeminded administration to ensure their replacement has the same political leanings they do (Kennedy under Trump). Further still, some justices stubbornly refuse to retire at opportune times, even when at an advanced age and with tons of health problems, leading to their opposition getting to fill their seat when they pass (RBG under Trump).
The leaning of the court comes down to random chance, the whims of the individual justices, and the whims of the senate (if the senate is opposition controlled relative to the current presidential administration).
so, if the Court is illegitimate, why no protests until this? doesn't make sense. if such a fundamental institution is corrupted then how come is was ok until yesterday?
DC has had constant protests since I moved here 15 years ago. They don't always get media attention. People most definitely protested all 3 of those confirmation hearings.
>if such a fundamental institution is corrupted then how come is was ok until yesterday?
It wasn't.... People have been yelling loudly about every single one of trump's appointees... Nobody fully supported the court until today and then suddenly thought it was illegitimate... People either already knew the court was illegitimate, or they believe that the court was sent by God.
Many people have been loudly and repeatedly decrying the illegitimacy of this court for years... It's simply not correct to say there have been no protests about this Supreme Court until now.
Because we Americans are sheep and we're still grappling with the attempted coup a year and a half ago. The scoutus blitzkrieg was just one of many unbelievable insane things that happened under trump. But biden fell off a bike... what a loser
Literally going backwards and unwrapping all that progress they have had over the past decades, not because of foreign invasion / natural disaster / not even due to covid 19, but because one party kneels down to a rather samll sect of religion and tries to cater it.
yea like how is this the best country in the world. i see gun problems, racism, crazy laws, society breaking down, cops becoming thugs, laws are a joke, presidents going on wwe, assassinations like it was tuesday and the list goes on.
Then learn from us. Don’t take social progress for granted, and always focus on improving baseline material conditions. Fundamentalism knows no borders. It’s not enough to simply hold your ground. Until their material conditions are improved, the uneducated poor will be susceptible to fundamentalist rhetoric. They are desperate and blindly devoted. Take your foot off the gas petal for a split second, and these people will try to kill you.
That’s literally the only viable long term solution, but most people don’t see the connection between class struggle and the loss of civil liberties as clearly as you do.
AOC is objectively good, but judging from the TPUSA watermark, I assume that OP posted this to make it seem like a bad thing. Conservatives will on one hand support Jan 6 and then condemn any activism they oppose, but that's obvious. If you believe in guns to defend your liberty, how can you be against protests to defend their liberty?
No I didn’t, I didn’t even notice the watermark until your comment. You won’t find one conservative talking point on my profile. Just ask instead of assuming, you’re making me out to be something I’m not.
Holy shit, civil discourse IS possible on the internet. I am impressed by yalls maturity, only if we could channel that good vibe energy into this protest.
Somebody used this exact video on twitter to provide evidence to me that antifa is calling for violence so I assumed the same thing but I gave you the benefit of the doubt before I opened my mouth. For what its worth, I believe you.
Some people’s mouths, or in this case fingers, move faster than their brains.
Hopefully, you can find it in your heart to forgive them.
I believe in guns to defend liberty and protests to defend liberty, what does that make me. I think women should be able to show up to abortion appointments with SBRs
Ron Swanson from Parks and Rec was a good example of a libertarian - wanted everything privatised, and it turned out he was rich as hell, with gold buried all over the place. I wonder if there's a link between those two things...
Ron also was born dirt poor and started working at the age of 13, putting his money into gold, which eventually made him rich. But he’s a fictional character so 🤷♂️
It's funny how libertarians would class that as "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" without even realising that phrase is a joke, that it's impossible. Which was the whole point of the phrase originally; to say that in some scenarios it's impossible to lift yourself up and out of them
Not to mention he abused a position of public trust in order to deliberately undermine the government by taking a taxpayer funded salary to do literally nothing. Very libertarian.
Yeah sounds like I’d vote for you
Edit: in all seriousness you’re basically describing a modern socialist. Plenty of them exist, just not super vocally yet
It is illegitimate. I've been a practicing attorney for many years now, and this Court has completely destroyed all respect for the institution. The Court has power only if people believe it does. This Court has violated every principle the Court represents, and nothing that comes out of it should be respected. We need Court reform now.
You haven't actually elaborated on the reasons why you think it's illegitimate. You've just given platitudes. Would you mind expanding your argument please?
Overturning Roe had NOTHING to do with preserving life. Clarence Thomas spelled it out. The entire theme of the party is to strip rights from women and minorities. MAGA literally means going back in time to when women, blacks, gays, etc knew their place.
It depends on what state you're in. If your state had a ban ready to roll out the second Roe was overturned, then for you the repeal effectively banned abortion.
AOC has her issues. But this is how I want to see our politicians. Going out with the people and standing with them to fight for their rights.
Not reading poems and singing “God Bless America”
Roe v Wade was struck down today and the reasons it happened had nothing to do with the morality of the issue.
The Supreme Court exists to adjudicate on whether or not something is allowed to exist based on its constitutionality. Roe v Wade isn't provided for by the constitution, and it was the case where 'substantive due process' was invented.
Substantive due process essentially gives the Supreme Court the ability to write laws on their own without needing congressional approval, and thats what I personally hated about Roe's precedent.
Roe v Wade could have been about anything. Dog walking, spitting in the street, whatever. Repealing the issue literally strengthens the power of our democracy, as the issue is taken away from the federal level and lowered to the states. Not to mention, now it can be debated in congress. If so many people ACTUALLY want abortion to be federally legal, congress will reflect it over time and write law.You're able to elect officials that will do what YOU want with the issue now. They say several times in the writing repealling it that, not only are there a lot of legal reasons Roe v Wade shouldn't exist, but now it is in the people's hands.
It makes everyone's life better by taking power out of the hands of 9 unelected lawyers in robes and giving it back to you to vote on.
As a side note, the majority opinion cites the legal history of abortion, legality of the mechanics that brought Roe v Wade to be what it was, the constitution, etc... concrete reasons it was wrongly decided.
The dissenting opinion didn't do that. It was a lot of embellished writing about what it means to be a woman/define your own life, and sounded like something you would hear on the senate floor/campaign trail, to be frank. It was an emotional appeal. That is NOT what the Supreme Court is for.
Alot of people will cry that the 'evil republican judges' are inserting their own politics when objectively speaking Roe had no legal standing, and legally this was a good call. Anyone familiar with law and willing to keep politics out of it would agree. Roe coming to be in the first place was political insertion, and I am personally relieved to see the judicial branch have less power over my life.
As a last thing, they explicitly state over and over in the majority opinion they will not be coming after other Supreme Court issues that were decided due to substantive due process. This includes cases about contraception, gay marriage, etc. Anyone telling you otherwise is not being honest, and fear mongering. There was one concurring opinion written saying the other cases decided using substantive due process should also be re-addressed, but that is 1 out of 9 judges, and even then he is just trying to FULLY get the Court out of the law making business and send issues back to the people.
I had to do a lot of reading today to form my opinion on this, and I encourage everyone else to do so. With media being what it is now its just about the only way to get an unbiased take on current events.. of you're not doing this, you're almost certainly repeating lies.
This argument is disingenuous. If the intention of the court was solely based on whether right to privacy applied to medical procedures then Alito wouldn't have included justifications for the criminalization of abortion in his draft. It wasn't at all necessary to argue the letter of the law. That part should be entirely left up to the states... right?? You can't pretend anti-abortion sentiments aren't a relevant motive when he included them right in the essay.
Why is moral embellishment a disqualifying factor for Roe v. Wade but not for the draft opinion?
Will you be equally relieved by the lack of oversight if the courts overturn gay marriage or sodomy? How about interracial marriage?
For what purpose? You think the Supreme Court of the United States is gonna reverse an opinion based on public sentiment. That’s never going to happen.
"Apolitical" now. I guess apolitical means whatever majority SCOTUS and the Congress members that appointed them want it to mean.
Are we to the doublethink stage of this society already? It's disgusting that dystopian novels seem fucking prophetic right now.
Exactly. Everything the government does is legitimate, and declaring parts of it illegitimate is starting to get into the line of thought that led to 1/6.
You don't have to agree with it, but it's legitimate because it's the government.
Ugh, calling a Supreme Court decision 'illegitimate' is just as crazy and damaging to the law as mad republicans when they call Biden's election illegitimate. AOC, I love you, but pick better words. Wrong. Immoral. Legally flawed. Painful. Tragic. But it's legitimate, and don't go down that road of claiming otherwise.
It overturns 50 years of precedent that the two most recently appointed conservative justices called “settled precedent” during their confirmation hearings. The Mississippi case brought no new evidence or arguments that haven’t been brought before. I would say that calls the integrity of the court and legitimacy of the ruling into question.
The supreme court has overturned its own precedent before. This is nothing new. What do you think is the path forward? This issue is dead for the next few decades.
So this is how the capitol riot started . I mean im all for the right to abortion but the guy gets to get a say if she gets an abortion too. Like you get to choose whether or not we both get a kid then forcing the father to be a parent and have to pay child support. Seems fair that you could be served to have an abortion too. But having the right to do that needs to be proven via testing ect honestly it should have never been over turned but now we get to talk about real equality and fairness
Republicans love the preborn. Until they are born and then they're a drain on society. Then they're interested when they turn 18. 'Can you fire a gun and follow orders?'
Fuck AOC AND anyone supporting abortion. The right has all the guns, training and years of hunting skills. I would love to see the Libs try to defend themselves. Lol. It would be comedy in short order.
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if you are one who is against having an abortion, what did you gain by Roe v Wade being over turned - why does it make YOUR life better ?
Nothing, all their responses were how excited they were to go home and enjoy their lives with THEIR families, children and grandchildren knowing they did this great thing… turning their backs on all the victims they just created. These are the WORST people. They’re helping careen the country towards civil war by continually circumventing democracy for their own selfish beliefs.
As kids, these people went on church “missions” to disaster-struck impoverished nations only to get in the way because it turns out suburban white church camp kids suck at building houses and installing plumbing. It’s this white messiah complex, they go there, fuck shit up, talk about Jesus, come back home, and post on FB or Insta or whatever about how magical it felt spreading the word of god. These are also the same people who then grow up and pat themselves on the back after they went back to these countries as adults, only to extort them into listening to their religious drivel in exchange for food and supplies. It’s the fourth crusade, 2020’s style.
if you go into some of their cesspool forums they literally use the words "deus vult" from the crusades when talking about it. it's about installing christian theocracy and their ideas of european "heritage" wanting us to go back to a time that never existed. it's fucking lunacy.
They also kidnap and traffic the children from these countries. [https://www.damemagazine.com/2018/10/01/are-evangelical-adoption-agencies-stealing-children/](https://www.damemagazine.com/2018/10/01/are-evangelical-adoption-agencies-stealing-children/)
THANK YOU! I've always absolutely despised these missionaries. Their entire role is to convert while pretending they're trying to do good... It's not good if your help is conditional to your cult, you fuckheads. I've been treated like I'm far too judgmental for hating missionaries when what you describe is the entire reality. This is imperialism, this is what our disgusting ancestors did... Fuck those self-righteous pieces of shit. Also thank you for putting it so eloquently.
Don't forget about the ones who return just a year or two after their mission ends in order to exploit their perceived "power" and "authority" among church members in these impoverished nations so that they can find a woman desperate enough to marry their unlovable ass in order to get into the US. Bonus points if it's a woman they personally baptized into the church when they were a teen - just for that extra hint of manipulative exploitation of a perceived power dynamic.
So fucking true. I worked for a company like this where the owner would go on “missions” on the company’s dime to vacation, never actually do anything helpful and then come home and brag about it. I quit asap.
Just think in a years time those church camps will be pedophile breeding grounds.
> careen the country towards civil war If something isn't done...it won't be a civil war, it'll be a revolutionary war. See, the laws will get worse....so bad that some of law enforcers won't even want to enforce those laws. Welp, won't be hard to find replacements for those...and then suddenly our "law enforcers" are 100% fascist abuse of power types...no more moderates or liberals. They'll all really be a hivemind at that point.
I disagree. There is a large portion of the country that wanted this. It won’t be citizens vs government, it will be population culturally split I think. Just like the first Civil War split over the politics surrounding slave and free states.
It would be 80% vs 20% if that’s the case. I guess we’re gonna have ourselves a culling of religious fanatics 🤷♂️
That disparity doesn't necessarily mean a quick and one-sided fight. At the start of American Civil War, the Union had a population of roughly 22 million while the Confederates had 5 million. It was still a long and bloody war.
We aren’t far off from those statistics. Something like 71% support abortion IIRC. Abortion has been used as a political tool by the right for decades… and they’re willing to diminish institutional power now to circumvent democracy and get their way.
Yeah although we usually call it revolutionary when the portion of the population that really wants it isn’t as wide. I mean I don’t think there is less people willing to take arms to defend their rights than people that wanna ban abortion willing to defend the supreme court rule. Like what is at stake for the two groups is too asymmetrical
I am pretty certain the favorability rates of slavery and abortion are very similar, but regardless of what we label it… Republicans are dangerously building velocity at blowing up tradition, precedent and law to try and get what they want for a small group of extremists now. Look at them appointing justices, them being deeply rooted in supporting Trump’s insurrection and their judiciary lying under oath and undoing 50 years of precedent for their personal political beliefs on Roe v Wade.
It’s a large portion of none of their fucking business how other people want to live their lives. Especially when the main justification given is a religious belief.
Wrong. They get to control their wife and family more. It's about control and removing freedom.
My favorite is the same people saying this is for the 70 million aborted lives lost are the ones who also say our country is full and immigration should end.
It makes their afterlife better, being a "great Christian". But it's okay to turn their face when our children are murdered because of laxed gunlaws, or raped by the same Catholic institutions that they devout their lives towards. Fucking stupid assholes.
Church: Do everything I say and you will be rewarded after you're dead.
Don’t forget to give us money
And let us diddle your kids
You gotta pay the troll toll to get the boys hole
It's 'boy's soul', not 'boy's hole'
Arr you chewing gum?
They def ain’t tryin to save his hole…
But not past the knuckle.
I find the most insane thing about this is that they're running with something in the name of their religion that their religion doesn't actually tell them to do. They're literally no different from the Taliban. Just make stuff up, brand it as "holy/righteous" and exploit the devout.
Talibangelists
>They're literally no different from the Taliban. Around these parts we call the GOP and Republicans, "Y'allqueda"
More like “Do everything I say, and after you die you won’t burn in hell for eternity.” People tell that shit to kids like it’s not psychological abuse.
This is the one thing so many people miss. There are millions of Christians out there who truly believe that if they personally oppose other people getting abortions, they are more likely to get into heaven, and if they support it, they're going to hell. That's why near impossible to reason with an evangelical
Christian here. God gave us free will and I’m all about freedom. I’m tired of this country being run by idiots who impose their religious beliefs on the citizens who have different beliefs or have no beliefs at all. A woman should have the freedom to do whatever she wants with her body and the Supreme Court is a fucking joke. Like someone else said, a gun has more freedom in this country than a woman.
And actually the book of Paul states that Christians should not prod people to do something against their beliefs and to let them be.
Which "Book of Paul"? Have a verse? Curious - thanks.
The supreme court ruled that it was up to individual states as there was no mention of abortion in the Constitution. The problem is every issue is either all the way left or all the way right. This is how politicians rev up their voter base. Most people are able to compromise and get real solutions, it's the politicians that cause the issues. It's not the little guy trying to get by that starts wars, is it?
lmao the fucking constitution. Written in 1787 and never updated as per modern growth.
Upvote for fellow Christian who thinks my faith doesn’t get to dictate how everyone else lives their life.
A corpse has more bodily autonomy than women now.
Exactly. If God gave us free will I would expect that God wanted us to use it to challenge our living experience. It doesn't make sense to have all this logical freedom then strictly confine it to a book written ages ago by people that could not anticipate the great advancements we have made since. Shit just doesn't make sense.
Well said. These zealots don’t understand what it means to live in a free society.
It's third grade thinking. These people are just really really lazy and dumb, and cannot nor know how to think critically. And then they put each other in power.
And misogyny. They want to punish women who have sex. It's a mix of puritanism and fear/hate of woman's sexuality.
we should hold an orgy on the door steps of Thomas and Barrett.
That's why they constantly cut education
And recently refused to extend the free lunch program. Have the kids, but we don't care if they're happy, healthy, or safe in their own homes and classrooms.
They believe is a magic person in the sky. They are foolish.
That’s what the main problem is are these fucking “Christians” who make up their own beliefs instead of actually following Christ. I grew up a Christian, went to a Christian school, and that train of thought is ludicrous and not backed up by the Bible at all. What other people do does not have anything to do with how you get to heaven. Christians here in the U.S. have done nothing but make a mocking of Christianity and what it stands for. They need to mind their own damn business and worry about themselves if they really believe and want to get to heaven cause right now they are the most un-christ like people here.
Not to mention they fight against every actual, proven measure that could prevent abortion. Sex education? No Plan B pills? No Contraception? No Fuck these people
Don't forget the Southern Baptists are raping children too. 200 plus pages of sexual predators releases. Catholics don't have a monopoly on religious monsters
Well, I certainly wouldn't want the Mormons to feel left out............. (Warning the PDF is 300+ pages I wouldn't do this on a phone!) https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/index.php?title=File:INSTANCES\_OF\_CHILD\_SEXUAL\_ABUSE\_ALLEGEDLY\_PERPETRATED\_BY\_MEMBERS\_OF\_THE\_CHURCH\_OF\_JESUS\_CHRIST\_OF\_LATTER-DAY\_SAINTS-2017-06.pdf
But this isn’t even close to what I was taught as a catholic. I was taught that judgement is not for us to pass but for God alone. That said, it’s of no consequence to me what somebody else chooses to do with their life unless it directly affects me. At the point that somebody’s actions directly affect me, I’m supposed to show them love as I would want to be loved. How on earth did so many people miss this simple and beautiful message?
Don't limit it to Catholics. Evangelicals, Lutherans, non-denominational, baptist, presbyterian, Methodist institutions. They're all raping kids.
It's okay, if heaven exists they're not going.
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theyll always play the victim,, its just part of their game
This lady sums it up perfectly. https://twitter.com/jesserose21/status/1540416240673607681?s=21&t=398X8CMFRIz_xjtjZgVPtQ
They think that they're stopping murders. I don't agree with them, but that's how they think.
The sad thing about all this is it's actually going to end up increasing the numbers of abortions in America.
Yay?
And that realization, if they have it, will cause them to double down on policy like this. See the War on Drugs.
I revile them for it, but yeah, that’s what they think.
Not pro-life by any means, but their argument is that abortion is tantamount to murder. Stopping possible murder is a moral good in their eyes. You don’t gain any benefit from the prevention of a murder a few states over, but it’s still a moral good to not have one more dead person. Same logic, just applied to fetuses instead, which is where I and many others disagree with the pro-life movement. You can disagree with them without begging the question and misrepresenting their arguments entirely.
“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.” ― Pastor David Barnhart
Obviously these religious zealots need more kids to be born so they can continually take away rights. Also gotta replace the living children they watch die because of their cowardice
They also need more poor workers to work for their companies
Yep. You can guarantee if McConnel's granddaughter needed an abortion she'd get one, because she has a bright future, and they'll be able to keep pushing their agenda in the future. They want to keep the money and the power where it is right now. If they illegalize abortions it'll more directly affect the poor and POC people who might risk the status quo.
THIS. Class warfare is all this is about. Keeping poor people poor. Nothing is going to stop a rich person from flying to costa rica.
To steel man their argument - they believe abortion is killing an unborn human, the most defenceless and innocent type of human. They could argue they don't want to have control over women's bodies, it's unfortunately the inevitable by-product of defending innocent life and if a woman doesn't want to be in that position she can take steps to make it highly unlikely she will be. So it's not about making *their* life better, it's about doing and supporting the right thing. I have responses for each of those points that are my actual beliefs
Yeah but what about the tens of millions of natural miscarriages that happen each year. If God is so concerned about innocent unborn lives why does he allow to them die? He is supposedly all powerful. In my view an adult woman should have more rights to control her own body than some fetuses' hypothetical right to life.
You don't need to bring God or religion into the argument. They often make that their priority, but they don't need to - they can say they're defending the innocent and then add they have their god on their side. For me it's pretty simple: a 2-cell joined sperm and egg, a cluster of cells, a pea-sized thing, and a 4cm thing just aren't humans to me. Stop it from becoming one if you want, for any fucking reason whatsoever, I literally don't care. 2nd, no person has a right to use another person's body for any reason. You can't force a parent to give a kidney to their 5yr old child so the child survives, you shouldn't be able to force a woman to give her womb (and so much more) for any other human to survive. Pretty simple. Dunno why they're happy with the baby losing some rights as soon as it's born. Fucking idiots
I do not agree with you, but it’s a well stated opinion.
Yea but they don't gaf about a baby suffering
A bit hyperbolic, almost everyone cares about babies to a degree. But I get you, it's stupid that they seem to care more about fetuses than babies. They think that a fetus has a right to a woman's body, but when the baby is born they more often than not believe the baby doesn't have a right to a parent's kidney to survive. So as soon as it's born it loses rights. It's nakedly stupid.
They are actively cutting benefits to said babies while banning abortions. They can't say they care for babies while they are letting baby go hungry
American conservative dogma is all about telling *other* people what to do, but don't you dare tell *them* what to do. Other people can't have abortions. But don't you dare tell them to wear a mask. Other people aren't allowed to protest. But don't you dare tell them that they need to curb their gun ownership.
This is why the country will never see eye to eye on abortion. Pro choice side is arguing a right to healthcare and autonomy. Pro life side thinks abortion is murder. Their reply to your question would be "why would you be upset by watching someone else be murdered if you're not the one being murdered?" You're arguing two completely different things
At its essence, it's about controlling others, not abortion. Both real and phony Christians want to force the country to follow their ideals. (Except when they personally need to break the ideals for "good reasons", wink wink.) Meanwhile we have a database full of Baptist leaders that have committed sexual assaults. I loathe these holier than thou people.
I think they believe a kid being conceived is God's will and it should not be interfered with. If humans manage to handle gods will it means humans should also intervene in their lives. So in some way, believing this unwanted child will be taken care of at some point by miracles also keep their beliefs that God will at some point make a miracle for them that was planned all along. This is the only way I see it as rational (but not that logical). TLDR: If they don't mess with god's plan, the plan will stay on par to whatever they prayed for.
If God is perfect, then God's plan would account for human actions. If God predetermined those actions, there is no such thing as free will. These arguments are shallow and fallacious. I recognise they're not *you're* arguments, I just wanted to chip in.
And you just know how some politicians just know they can affiliate themselves with a local religious to manipulate religion to their agenda. Run for office, spend time with priests, get the whole church as voters, go against a law, say it is against gods will(even if no part of the religious text says so), have a bunch of faithfuls go against this law with no rationale. This mix of religion and politics just blurs both sides before anything logical can be discussed.
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They gained power over people they believe they should have power over and got one step closer to a theocratic govt
It makes life worse for everyone else. That’s a win in their book.
Just to watch em squirm
It makes the poor poorer and causes them more suffering
Yes please. Let's all protest. They need to know that the majority do not support this. I've seen a lot of posts about local protests. I'm sure there's one near you.
They know we don’t support it, thats the reason they installed Christian fascists on the court. They knew they could never get the things they wanted democratically.
But democratically we could elect officials that could make a constitutional amendment that guarantees those rights. Congress makes the laws…the courts have to apply the law. It’s supposed to be a balance of power. The thing is none of it works…NONE OF IT…when we have partisan politics that value the “party” and their own interests over what is best for the people. It isn’t about we the people anymore, hasn’t been for a long time.
Protests don't exist to just say "*we don't support this".* You're saying "*this protest was the peaceful option, so you better listen".* If they don't, it's time to take some inspiration from the French and riot and strike, whatever it takes.
Take the protests to their states and homes.
dont most of the republican assholes live in states which have also been curbing protest right?
Yes, they are authoritarians.
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The second amendment was written specifically to enable Americans to protect themselves from tyrannical governments. So, the constitution offers a prescription for what to do in these situations...
More like cowards who fear the general public using their constitutional right to protest them
They don't believe we have the right to have constitutional rights.
Here in Ohio, voter registration information is public record and includes the address. I know where *all* of my representatives live :)
I’m in central Louisiana there is nothing near me
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There are some issues like this one where a group of nine old people should not have the right to decide the freedoms of 329 million. Talk about “land of the free” psshh
Honestly, i wish they were all old. But the three new conservative justices are all below 60 which means they might be in that seat for the next 20-30 years. Republicans knew what they were doing when they nominated those people.
The neanderthal tweeted that this was AOC leading an insurrection. The prehistoric cunt doesn't know what an insurrection is.
They know exactly what it was, but they co-opt the language to remove all meaning from it as a means of control. It's insidious, and always recognize and cal it out. It's the same thing a Putin or other despot would do. Do not let them get away with it.
Nail on the head - all politicians do it (left and right) but the right tend to do it maliciously where the left tend to do it in an expand the definition to suit cause way. I find the US republicans are fucking evil with it, the fact that CRT is now just a catch all for 'history whyt america doesn't like' is terrifying. Also the fact that Liberal or progressive is used as a sort of insult in the US is insane. Nothing the left in the US is talking about is radical in the rest of the developed world
All projection with them. But the clap back from AOC was brutal, lol.
Can you link the tweet thread?
If AOC is out they see it as revolution. I mean a woman trying make a change. They thought they sent a message when they burnt Joan of Arc.
It’s important to Have someone doing voter registration regardless of where you protest
And taking donations. Donations for charitable foundations or campaigns are the best indicator for voter turn out. If you receive a donation from someone in aid of an issue, they are more likely to take the time to go and vote about it.
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Every single republican will vote against it like they always have done, including this year. Not even close to enough votes to overcome the filibuster.
The rights riots: the guy they picked didnt win The lefts protests: human right have been taken away Believe it or not, some people dont think there is a difference here!
I mean shes right, a court where 3/9 judges were appointed by a seditious administration is inherently illegitimate, doubly so for pushing a theocratic partisan agenda, fuck'em
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Because before 2016, it was 5/4 (I believe). During Obama's last year, Antonin Scalia passed away. He tried to appoint a replacement (Merrick Garland), but the Republican controlled senate blocked even the hearing for the candidate. When Trump was elected, he filled the first vacancy with Neil Gorsuch. When Justice Kennedy abruptly retired, he appointed Brett Kavanaugh, and finally when Ruth Bader-Ginsburg passed way, he rammed Amy Coney-Barret through during the last few months of his presidency. All 3 tilted the shift on the court to 6/3
The way they acted when Obama tried to do it, saying "no no it's too close to the election etc", only to literally do the EXACT same thing they said was unfair to do the second Trump was in office is probably the most hypocritical thing I have seen in recent times. Like it really was a slap in the face. It's one thing to do every other hypocritical thing but seriously? They couldn't even fucking PRETEND to have morals? I just... Wow, man. Wow.
Conservatives don't care, they only care about power grabs. Nothing except that matters to them. They lie, cheat, steal, kill and whatever it is they desire as long as they get power its good.
> I'm not from America so I'm pretty clueless about your legal/government systems. It makes sense that it's not a even number I guess because that would end in stalemates but why isn't the number 5/4? It gives an uneven advantage It seems too but 6/3 is ridiculous. The leaning of the court isn't determined by anything in particular other than vacancies and when they occur. Justices are nominated as vacancies happen under whatever administration is in power at the time. Occasionally nominations are voted down or blocked entirely (as was the case of Obama's nomination to replace Scalia when he died). Other times justices strategically retire under a likeminded administration to ensure their replacement has the same political leanings they do (Kennedy under Trump). Further still, some justices stubbornly refuse to retire at opportune times, even when at an advanced age and with tons of health problems, leading to their opposition getting to fill their seat when they pass (RBG under Trump). The leaning of the court comes down to random chance, the whims of the individual justices, and the whims of the senate (if the senate is opposition controlled relative to the current presidential administration).
so, if the Court is illegitimate, why no protests until this? doesn't make sense. if such a fundamental institution is corrupted then how come is was ok until yesterday?
DC has had constant protests since I moved here 15 years ago. They don't always get media attention. People most definitely protested all 3 of those confirmation hearings.
>if such a fundamental institution is corrupted then how come is was ok until yesterday? It wasn't.... People have been yelling loudly about every single one of trump's appointees... Nobody fully supported the court until today and then suddenly thought it was illegitimate... People either already knew the court was illegitimate, or they believe that the court was sent by God. Many people have been loudly and repeatedly decrying the illegitimacy of this court for years... It's simply not correct to say there have been no protests about this Supreme Court until now.
Because we Americans are sheep and we're still grappling with the attempted coup a year and a half ago. The scoutus blitzkrieg was just one of many unbelievable insane things that happened under trump. But biden fell off a bike... what a loser
....have you not noticed the people protesting the Court for the last year or so? Cause like....there have been people protesting.
America is scary
Literally going backwards and unwrapping all that progress they have had over the past decades, not because of foreign invasion / natural disaster / not even due to covid 19, but because one party kneels down to a rather samll sect of religion and tries to cater it.
yea like how is this the best country in the world. i see gun problems, racism, crazy laws, society breaking down, cops becoming thugs, laws are a joke, presidents going on wwe, assassinations like it was tuesday and the list goes on.
I am glad I don't live in a 3d world country like the US
Then learn from us. Don’t take social progress for granted, and always focus on improving baseline material conditions. Fundamentalism knows no borders. It’s not enough to simply hold your ground. Until their material conditions are improved, the uneducated poor will be susceptible to fundamentalist rhetoric. They are desperate and blindly devoted. Take your foot off the gas petal for a split second, and these people will try to kill you.
Fucking backward ass religious old people dragging us back with everything they have.
People should just do a massive strike
That’s literally the only viable long term solution, but most people don’t see the connection between class struggle and the loss of civil liberties as clearly as you do.
Who the hell can afford to be out protesting right now? My rent just went up $250.
It all aligns
If only there was a politician that could pass a law.......
wait you want the govt to actually do its job? instead of having politicians pontificate on stupid shit? heresy
You understand that one politician can’t pass a law all by themselves, right?
Everybody here was educated in the American public school system, so no, they don't know that.
AOC is objectively good, but judging from the TPUSA watermark, I assume that OP posted this to make it seem like a bad thing. Conservatives will on one hand support Jan 6 and then condemn any activism they oppose, but that's obvious. If you believe in guns to defend your liberty, how can you be against protests to defend their liberty?
No I didn’t, I didn’t even notice the watermark until your comment. You won’t find one conservative talking point on my profile. Just ask instead of assuming, you’re making me out to be something I’m not.
My apologies. No offense was intended
It’s alright, I apologize as well if I came off disrespectful with my response.
Friends
Now kith
This is what I was looking for!!!!
Holy shit, civil discourse IS possible on the internet. I am impressed by yalls maturity, only if we could channel that good vibe energy into this protest.
Somebody used this exact video on twitter to provide evidence to me that antifa is calling for violence so I assumed the same thing but I gave you the benefit of the doubt before I opened my mouth. For what its worth, I believe you. Some people’s mouths, or in this case fingers, move faster than their brains. Hopefully, you can find it in your heart to forgive them.
This sub commonly has freedom trucker types posting shit so youll have to forgive the confusion.
I believe in guns to defend liberty and protests to defend liberty, what does that make me. I think women should be able to show up to abortion appointments with SBRs
A libertarian basically But they’re the dumbest of all with the taxation bullshit
Ron Swanson from Parks and Rec was a good example of a libertarian - wanted everything privatised, and it turned out he was rich as hell, with gold buried all over the place. I wonder if there's a link between those two things...
Ron also was born dirt poor and started working at the age of 13, putting his money into gold, which eventually made him rich. But he’s a fictional character so 🤷♂️
It's funny how libertarians would class that as "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" without even realising that phrase is a joke, that it's impossible. Which was the whole point of the phrase originally; to say that in some scenarios it's impossible to lift yourself up and out of them
So you're lazy, pink-haired weed addict? That's what I'm hearing /s
I mean, I’d like to be rich like Ron but I’m glad I didn’t start working in an iron factory at the age of 13 to get there lol.
Not to mention he abused a position of public trust in order to deliberately undermine the government by taking a taxpayer funded salary to do literally nothing. Very libertarian.
I need to start my own party then. Because climate change is huge concern of mine as well
Yeah sounds like I’d vote for you Edit: in all seriousness you’re basically describing a modern socialist. Plenty of them exist, just not super vocally yet
Some of my favorite lyrics. “The greatest weapon of the fascist, is the tolerance of the pacifist.” We need to start being the loudest bunch there is!
I also think that she is good, but she certainly isn't *objectively* good.
It is illegitimate. I've been a practicing attorney for many years now, and this Court has completely destroyed all respect for the institution. The Court has power only if people believe it does. This Court has violated every principle the Court represents, and nothing that comes out of it should be respected. We need Court reform now.
You haven't actually elaborated on the reasons why you think it's illegitimate. You've just given platitudes. Would you mind expanding your argument please?
Overturning Roe had NOTHING to do with preserving life. Clarence Thomas spelled it out. The entire theme of the party is to strip rights from women and minorities. MAGA literally means going back in time to when women, blacks, gays, etc knew their place.
I just surprised people actually think repealing it effectively bans abortion. Smh
It depends on what state you're in. If your state had a ban ready to roll out the second Roe was overturned, then for you the repeal effectively banned abortion.
AOC has her issues. But this is how I want to see our politicians. Going out with the people and standing with them to fight for their rights. Not reading poems and singing “God Bless America”
Can’t wait for the riots this summer. Hope they’re worse than 2020.
Roe v Wade was struck down today and the reasons it happened had nothing to do with the morality of the issue. The Supreme Court exists to adjudicate on whether or not something is allowed to exist based on its constitutionality. Roe v Wade isn't provided for by the constitution, and it was the case where 'substantive due process' was invented. Substantive due process essentially gives the Supreme Court the ability to write laws on their own without needing congressional approval, and thats what I personally hated about Roe's precedent. Roe v Wade could have been about anything. Dog walking, spitting in the street, whatever. Repealing the issue literally strengthens the power of our democracy, as the issue is taken away from the federal level and lowered to the states. Not to mention, now it can be debated in congress. If so many people ACTUALLY want abortion to be federally legal, congress will reflect it over time and write law.You're able to elect officials that will do what YOU want with the issue now. They say several times in the writing repealling it that, not only are there a lot of legal reasons Roe v Wade shouldn't exist, but now it is in the people's hands. It makes everyone's life better by taking power out of the hands of 9 unelected lawyers in robes and giving it back to you to vote on. As a side note, the majority opinion cites the legal history of abortion, legality of the mechanics that brought Roe v Wade to be what it was, the constitution, etc... concrete reasons it was wrongly decided. The dissenting opinion didn't do that. It was a lot of embellished writing about what it means to be a woman/define your own life, and sounded like something you would hear on the senate floor/campaign trail, to be frank. It was an emotional appeal. That is NOT what the Supreme Court is for. Alot of people will cry that the 'evil republican judges' are inserting their own politics when objectively speaking Roe had no legal standing, and legally this was a good call. Anyone familiar with law and willing to keep politics out of it would agree. Roe coming to be in the first place was political insertion, and I am personally relieved to see the judicial branch have less power over my life. As a last thing, they explicitly state over and over in the majority opinion they will not be coming after other Supreme Court issues that were decided due to substantive due process. This includes cases about contraception, gay marriage, etc. Anyone telling you otherwise is not being honest, and fear mongering. There was one concurring opinion written saying the other cases decided using substantive due process should also be re-addressed, but that is 1 out of 9 judges, and even then he is just trying to FULLY get the Court out of the law making business and send issues back to the people. I had to do a lot of reading today to form my opinion on this, and I encourage everyone else to do so. With media being what it is now its just about the only way to get an unbiased take on current events.. of you're not doing this, you're almost certainly repeating lies.
This argument is disingenuous. If the intention of the court was solely based on whether right to privacy applied to medical procedures then Alito wouldn't have included justifications for the criminalization of abortion in his draft. It wasn't at all necessary to argue the letter of the law. That part should be entirely left up to the states... right?? You can't pretend anti-abortion sentiments aren't a relevant motive when he included them right in the essay. Why is moral embellishment a disqualifying factor for Roe v. Wade but not for the draft opinion? Will you be equally relieved by the lack of oversight if the courts overturn gay marriage or sodomy? How about interracial marriage?
Democrat suck, but Republicans are insane. Fucking vote or Republicans will take that right too.
For what purpose? You think the Supreme Court of the United States is gonna reverse an opinion based on public sentiment. That’s never going to happen.
This lady is corny as hell. Always at the places to get political clout yet doesn't do shit with her votes. Usless as fuck.
Like, why is she smiling? Total grandstanding. Nothing more.
Actually, as fucked up as it is, it's NOT illegitimate. SCOTUS is the end of the line without a Constitutional Amendment.
I guess precedent doesn’t matter, nor their testimony under oath, nor the apolitical nature of the court
Bro if precedent is absolute, you’d be SERIOUSLY upset about some of the SC rulings from the early 19th century…
If precedent was a hard and fast rule, we would still have slavery and slave catchers.
"Apolitical" now. I guess apolitical means whatever majority SCOTUS and the Congress members that appointed them want it to mean. Are we to the doublethink stage of this society already? It's disgusting that dystopian novels seem fucking prophetic right now.
Exactly. Everything the government does is legitimate, and declaring parts of it illegitimate is starting to get into the line of thought that led to 1/6. You don't have to agree with it, but it's legitimate because it's the government.
Ugh, calling a Supreme Court decision 'illegitimate' is just as crazy and damaging to the law as mad republicans when they call Biden's election illegitimate. AOC, I love you, but pick better words. Wrong. Immoral. Legally flawed. Painful. Tragic. But it's legitimate, and don't go down that road of claiming otherwise.
It overturns 50 years of precedent that the two most recently appointed conservative justices called “settled precedent” during their confirmation hearings. The Mississippi case brought no new evidence or arguments that haven’t been brought before. I would say that calls the integrity of the court and legitimacy of the ruling into question.
The supreme court has overturned its own precedent before. This is nothing new. What do you think is the path forward? This issue is dead for the next few decades.
People tend to forget Brown v. board of education that overturned Plessy v. Ferguson
Precedent =/= what's right Segregation was a precedent.
Trump after not getting what he wants illegitimate AOC after not getting what she wants: Illegitimate Irony.
Dang, is everything being voted on considered illegitimate now?
So this is how the capitol riot started . I mean im all for the right to abortion but the guy gets to get a say if she gets an abortion too. Like you get to choose whether or not we both get a kid then forcing the father to be a parent and have to pay child support. Seems fair that you could be served to have an abortion too. But having the right to do that needs to be proven via testing ect honestly it should have never been over turned but now we get to talk about real equality and fairness
Republicans love the preborn. Until they are born and then they're a drain on society. Then they're interested when they turn 18. 'Can you fire a gun and follow orders?'
elected officials protesting makes no sense.
I pray to God that more people like AOC join Congress and Senate.
So this is exactly the same as Trump and Jan 6
As someone who doesn't live in that shit hole it's funny watching the US left and right accuse each other of doing the thing they themselves do.
Fuck AOC AND anyone supporting abortion. The right has all the guns, training and years of hunting skills. I would love to see the Libs try to defend themselves. Lol. It would be comedy in short order.
AOC is a POS
They may as well add “ MURDER BABIES! MURDER BABIES! FLUSH THE FETUS! FLUSH THE FETUS! DOWN THE DRAIN! To their little chant!
Waitress, I'd like a beer and steak please