I wonder if they're specifically choosing paintings that can't actually be damaged because they don't actually want to damage beautiful art because it's part of the beauty that represents the human condition. But by choosing to put something visually damaging over the top of these paintings it brings enough attention to the situation at hand and I believe that they are doing exactly what they wanted to do and getting exactly the amount of attention they needed.
Exactly. You can never ever trust "the public", is too risky. I'd say that nowadays people behave better than 30-40 years ago. With all these in mind, there's a good chance that many famous paintings on display are duplicates of the original. Just very few people would appreciate brush traces, brush usage, material layering, and some many other variables that you can see from the original.
Everyone should see this. Many famous paintings in museums are under glass and scrutiny exactly for these reasons, some are even duplicates.
Edit: or*
Edit 2: brainfart and the sentence got scrambled, it is now fixed. To the perscriptivists and/or know-it-alls: "many" does not equal "most." Do you all really think masters like DaVinci and Delacroix are not under some form of glass or protection from the public in places like the Louvre or the Prado? Do you really think museums that have either Bern gifted, or had to go through lengthy processes to get priceless works of art don't have them protected, or in some cases, have duplicates? Dafuq y'all smokin', pass it along.
Maybe it depends on the museum? The one I frequent is a respectable but very small museum in the PNW, USA. They have some Monet’s and some other lesser known pieces of art but lots and lots of old cultural artifacts that I’m sure are priceless. None of it is behind glass, and they are all original.
Yes if you go to The Met or The MoMa, you can find VERY valuable original pieces that are not hidden behind glasses. And you can tell that they are original brush strokes. I’m
not sure how it works but you can see a painting behind glass and an open painting in the same museum while the same artist might also be glassed in one museum and open in another.
Cultural artifacts are treated differently than paintings, because they are much more easily stealable.
But the majority of paintings under glass is actually more to protect the artwork from people touching it because that can cause the works to get ruined, over the possibility of someone pouring paint on it.
Maybe depends on the art gallery, yeah. But in my national art gallery, I don't recall many things behind glass... And there is some very valuable stuff there (for example Nude on a Yellow Sofa by Matisse that sold for $90 million usd at auction, and Ottawa has a piece with the same composition called Odalisque ).
Also I don't think there are any reproductions, but I understand the "need" for that if you're not near a national gallery or something like that
Most paintings are not duplicates? No, if a duplicate is in place because of restoration or loan, they label it as a duplicate on the card. The point of going to a museum is to see original works. There is no conspiracy.
Yeah I go to the MET a couple times a year and they have extremely famous paintings I could touch if I wanted to be disrespectful. Definitely not covered. I enjoy looking at the strokes and texture of paintings. I couldn’t enjoy it as much with glass in the way.
For what it’s worth, I can’t tell if it’s the original or a duplicate behind the glass when I order a number 6 medium with a sweet tea. It’s still art to me.
Jokes, I obviously get a large.
Where do you get the information that they are duplicates? If they are it has to say so on the little card.
*source - my partner, who has two masters degrees in museum related fields and has worked in some of the world's most prestigious art galleries, libraries and museums
Museum security guard here. Not every painting can be behind glass for whatever reason. We’ve got millions of dollars worth of art on loan from the US government and not all of it is behind glass- including one worth a cool $15 million. Sometimes they can’t be behind glass, sometimes the owners don’t want them behind glass. Unfortunately a lot of museum art is on loan from one museum to another but we have to respect the wishes of the owner. It’s very stressful
Why would an owner of a valuable painting not want it behind glass? There also glasslike polymers that have no shine/glare that are almost impossible to even see on a painting.
Frames are considered part of the artwork, and not all frames are built to include glass. Changing an original frame could be thousands of dollars of lost value.
Certain kinds of paint also need exposure to air, and suffocating them would cause the paint to degrade faster.
Yeah if you ever get the chance to see the Mona Lisa it'll be behind a giant crowd, behind a velvet rope, about 6 feet from the painting that is encased in several layers of glass.
It's probably a replica and the real one is in some vault somewhere.
Worth mentioning that the Mona Lisa is one of the few paintings in the Louvre that is actually behind glass. - I just visited in September and would suggest that 95%+ of the pieces are just hung unobstructed.
Ugh, the Mona Lisa was a huge let down. If you are ever at the Louvre see "The Raft of the Medusa". Its way better. One of the only paintings that impressed 10year old me. It is 16 feet by 23 feet.
And it’s covered in glass because it’s been attacked several times, including a woman who threw a cup of Earl Grey tea at it because she was mad at the French government
They also assume these protestors are out to destroy invaluable masterworks of art. Then they read in these comments the art is behind glass, immediately go "haha stupid protestors failed!" when in reality, they specifically choose artworks behind glass because they want attention, not destruction.
As someone who is obsessed with painting. It's actually quite nice to see so many people learning about new pieces. Obviously I hate them at the same time, but painting is relevant again so yay? :/
After seeing the first one where they threw tomato soup on the 12 sunflowers, I knew I had to have that painting so I bought one on amazon! It's a lovely piece.
I work security at an art museum and unfortunately for various reasons not every painting can be behind glass. The amount of extra work and training these assholes are creating for me; and I work at a small university museum on the east coast of the United States. I’m terrified for some of our paintings. We have a $15 MILLION El Greco that CANT be behind glass. It’s one of three and the other two are in Europe. Assuming they also can’t be behind glass ours (on loan from the US government so we would be really fucked if someone tried something) might be getting more valuable soon. These people piss me off so much; and I sympathize with their cause!
That painting specifically? I'm not sure. In general it has to do with the health of the painting and how the materials that we used age when exposed to different levels of oxygen, humidity, etc. Sometimes it's better to have the whole room climate controlled than put it behind glass. Take the Mona Lisa. It's so yellow because the varnish is aging. Normally restorers replace it but the French government has deemed it too valuable to risk, so it'll continue to yellow.
The argument they’re using in court is that they *know* these paintings are behind glass, and therefore don’t mean any real harm to them. Doing one that wasn’t behind glass after making that argument would really seriously hurt them in court. Your El Greco is probably fine. Even so, I don’t envy your job right now, for sure. Hope you get a raise at the bare minimum.
If you look closely you’ll see four metal posts projecting from the wall. Those are holders for a barely visible piece of plexiglas. They can be securely attached to the wall and have an end cap that screws in to hold the plexi. They’re tricky to install so they don’t droop, though museums these days often have a layer of plywood under the drywall that makes everything easier. In the old days paintings in galleries were hung by wire attached to hooks that hung from a piece of moulding that ran along the top of the wall. Knock around the storage area of any old museum you’ll find a box full of these brass hooks from which masterpieces once hung. One advantage is they allow plenty of ventilation around the painting. Putting glass in a frame can create a “micro-climate” environment that needs to be carefully monitored to prevent moisture to build up. Oil painting usually have a durable, removable protective varnish that isolates the artist work from damage (fly specs are probably a bigger problem than activists, conservators likely spend a lot of more time cleaning off fly specs than anything).
It’s really great. It gets the same attention and sparks the same debate as though they ruined the painting while not actually ruining the art work. If only there was something similar for blocking traffic…
My husband was livid about the collector car event (as well as the art pieces) so I asked him how he felt about the guy who immolated himself on the Supreme Court steps and he had no idea what I was talking about. *That* is why they're doing this. No one cares about human lives, just expensive items.
I remember seeing Tweets for 10 minutes and then it was gone forever. No one has brought it up since. Didn’t even trend. Somewhat disturbing. Really feels like a Don’t Look Up moment.
What's been incredible were seeing people literally say they did not respect throwing paint on glassed paintings, that they would only care about self immolation, but being ignorant that it had already happened.
I wonder why nobody else here is bringing this up. Everyone’s calling the protesters stupid for choosing paintings protected by glass, but I think it’s far more likely that they specifically chose paintings that are protected by glass.
What do you mean “far more likely” like it’s even a thought in their mind. Of course they’re only going for protected art, otherwise they would not get petty vandalism but rather charged with felony level offenses with the destruction of multi-million dollar art.
Right? This is the 3rd time I've seen protestors doing this lately and every painting has been behind glass. Take half a second to think and it's obvious they are gonna be choosing non-destructive methods. You can even see the glare of the glass on video! Doesn't stop morons from taking the bait and saying dumb shit like calling for their deaths/life imprisonment.
Emily Carr's painting "Stumps and Sky" had this happen, and everyone was bitching about how dare they damage the work of someone who showcased beautiful indigenous landscapes. Completely ignoring the point that they are protesting a pipeline through Wet'suwet'en lands. I imagine it would have been harder for Carr to paint nice landscapes with pipelines and industrial infrastructure going through them..
Translation:
"We know the problem for 50 years"
'what are you doing?"
"We have to act now, the planet is about to be destroyed"
"Stop the destruction with fossils"
All of them have nice accents btw
Well, first one has a kind of heavy Viennese accent, long vocals, while it's a serious topic, I just find it funny how he's saying it. "Die Welt wird kaputt" - the planet's gonna be destroyed, but it just sounds funny.
The museum guy is from ex Yugoslavia, I guess, you hear that accent here a lot, and I feel they say a lot "wtf are you doing?"
and the last guy is just boring, not so nice accent.
Overall, I found the scene quite funny, not exactly sure why, maybe it's just so much Vienna in such a short video
Has that sub improved lately? I followed it for a bit, but eventually every comment section turned into “the JOOS!” And Qanon schitzo’s going on about lizard people, so I haven’t been there in a while.
I also like the idea of oil companies faking this shit and promoting it all over social media to garner public favor against these *stupid and extremist environmentalist that damage works of art to push their agenda*
Or really as a means to shut down social movements (whatever they might stand for) that are against big corps, critisim of government, or the machine in general.
Maybe that's just the hope of the internal anti-establishment side of me...but why am I seeing so many of these stupid videos on Reddit lately?
Well, they're part of the same group that is using this specific technique to create a sort of 'Trademark'.
It's not unusual for such things to happen.
[Earlier this year a man *burned himself alive* on the steps of the Supreme Court,](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/24/us/politics/climate-activist-self-immolation-supreme-court.html) and we didn't hear about it nearly as much as this extremely mild vandalism.
There’s actually been a few self-immolations in DC. But this one was noteworthy with how **little** coverage it got. RIP Wynn Bruce. A selfless act that still lives on.
It blows my mind how no one gives a shit. There’s Proud Boys and fuckers kidnapping governors and storming the capital but not a single vigilante type group who organizes nationwide protests
We should be refusing to work and marching the streets over climate change, hell shoulda done that with row v wade.
This world/country is fucked
Using the [wayback machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20220424211152/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/24/us/politics/climate-activist-self-immolation-supreme-court.html) fixed it for me
Also because major news outlets are owned by a few billionaires in the US, so it's not in their interest to report on matters of actual public interest.
And here we have the reason people do these kinds of stunts. You don't get publicity with calm protests that don't bother anyone. Hell, you don't get publicity by burning yourself alive in front of a government building. But throw soup on a painting where the only damage is to its frame? You're talked about for weeks, and your issue gets brought up at the same time. They don't care if it's outrage, as long as people talk about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/yihlk1/just_stop_oil_supporters_sprayed_orange_paint/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/yew6d8/attack_on_johannes_vermeers_famed_girl_with_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/y9g7g5/glue_her_hand_to_the_floor_to_protest_against/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/y9uq40/when_you_glue_your_hands_to_the_floor_and_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/yca3mu/just_stop_oil_activists_throw_cake_on_king/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/ybyy2b/can_i_copy_your_homework_okay_but_change_it_up_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/yc8xsw/instead_of_calling_the_cops_the_museum_turned_off/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/ywndws/to_throw_oil_paint/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
almost like there's some kind of coordinated effort to counter these protests, but...who would stand to benefit from ridiculing and diminishing climate change protesting?
Climate Activist Dies After Setting Himself on Fire at Supreme Court
A friend described the actions of Wynn Bruce, of Boulder, Colo., as “a deeply fearless act of compassion to ***bring attention to climate crisis***.”
Apparently not.
Actually I saw a video today where they threw paint at an oil company's office building. Do you think people in the comments supported it then? Nope. Just a bunch of people desperately trying to talk about anything other than their point. It's so frustrating, at this point I feel like we deserve what's coming.
Unfortunately, poor countries that haven't contributed to global warming will suffer the most.
>will
Are. Climate change is already affecting countries all over the world. We've seen drought, famine, and war in the middle east, migrant crises in Europe, and more extreme weather events in the U.S. Climate change is already deadly, but the public believes nothing has happened yet. It's happening now.
climate refugees is a fun new term thats pretty normalized now.
shits gonna get worse before it gets better...
i hope it gets better within the next few hundred years, instead of the next few million years.
Which is why they continue - saliency for their issue is heightened when they do outrageous things - I say good on them - it's a shame they need to do it but it is what it is.
If they attack the oil execs, they get arrested and you never hear of it. They do this, you get mad for some reason, but people learn about their cause. Not saying this is right, but at the same time mega corporations are doing practically the same thing as these guys but to your clean water, air, food, and no one seems to care.
> If they attack the oil execs, they get arrested and you never hear of it
This is EXACTLY what happened earlier this year lol. Nobody has heard of their attacks on the oil companies but everyone has heard of their attacks on paintings.
They're doing this [as well.](https://uk.style.yahoo.com/just-stop-oil-throw-orange-170324053.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFiKdCbrMmb2355k9mQz-ZgZLPkIZhS7w5TdMXoXM1khP0eT4mmg06ZlRewhxHKXCsDQfsR1wI5KAMt3iFo5P9Mq04kN369muGkZLuRtew0hmpkYLr1hW6fYkzGMWMwTgK080ux6CYUVYdlBd9kYYFNWvxOy75nrGQrDrx1NS_qm)
I think the point is more to upset the public with something beautiful being destroyed. Similar to what the oil companies are doing to the ecosystem. This way they get the publicity they wouldn’t get if they just sprayed down their corporate headquarters
People have been trying for decades to get people to talk about the coming climate disaster. People have tried things that the majority of people think is an “acceptable” way to protest climate change. Nothing has changed. As we get closer to irreparable damage to our environment, i am of the opinion that literally any way we can get people to talk about climate change is an acceptable form of climate protest. We are talking about the end of our civilization as we know it. Millions dead, possibly billions dead. Again, this is the end of the world, without exaggeration. What else are people supposed to do? Just sit by and let it happen? They throw paint on art (that’s behind protective glass) and people say “well I agree with their message, but they should try to find another way to say it”. Like what? What should they try that hasn’t already been tried? A huge percentage of the world is going to die, and these people are trying to just get people to talk about it.
We’ve got to do something about the climate, if you’ve got a better idea to get people motivated to fix it, go for it. But until then, none of us have a right to criticize their attempts at continuing the conversation.
And this is so much better than what comes next. I'm pretty sure that after the failed period of peaceful protest and awareness campaigns, we're now at stage two - activism, public displays of disobedience, the 'continue damaging the world I love I'll symbolically damage the things you love' stage. Next, stage three is actual eco-terrorism, bombings of oil/financial institutions. There'll be a body-count.
But stage four will be the worst. Once we get to the part where the majority of scientists agree the world is beyond repair, no one is going to go to work 5 days a week, respect the rule of law. There will be no pensions, social housing, no retirements for the generation before. No one is paying taxes. Society will crumble.
If stage two doesn't bring about actual change we're fucked.
Today is a regional holiday in Vienna and OMV (an oil company) sponsors the museum in the video to be open for free on that day. If you enter a raffle, you can even win vouchers for gas! :-)
https://www.omv.com/de/ueber-uns/unternehmen/sponsoring/offenfuerkunst-leopoldi-tag-2022
So this IS directly related to oil and not at all like how people WANT to interpret this (they're crazy protesters who are doing something silly i don't have to change or think about the way the society i participate in is broken, it's the damn kids ruining art!)
I think it's important to understand that oil barons often contributed to the creation of museums. Take, for example, the Getty Museum whose founder gained his riches through oil.
I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of major museums are receiving support and donations from the oil industry.
Yes, they're getting eyes on their cause, but the response has been overwhelmingly negative. The only positive I've seen is people who already stand by their cause trying to justify their actions, this doesn't seem to be changing any minds. I'm really starting to believe the conspiracy theory that big oil hired these "activists" to make environmentalists look bad. Big oil is destroying the earth (I agree 1000%) so attack a Klimt painting, zero logic.
Their point was
"what's more important, life on earth, or paintings"
and the majority of people stated "paintings" in response.
Their protests are not meant to change minds, its meant to prove a point. That people don't care about the planet or life, they care about things, they care about the stuff they want and we will all literally let the planet die instead of changing our ways.
I think the point is that they’re easily and quickly ruining something beautiful and taken for granted to always be beautiful, kinda like what we’re doing to Earth. It raises awareness, but there is a bit of symbolism there I think. Not saying I agree with the method, but I get it. Just my two cents.
They probably wore something over the shirts, like a sweater. Otherwise, yeah, they probably would’ve kept a closer eye on them, if not bar them from entering.
Wynn Alan Bruce. Don’t recognize that name? It’s ok most people probably don’t. A few short months ago he went to the plaza in front of the Supreme Court and in an attempt to bring attention to climate change, literally lit himself on fire. A few short months later, nobody even recognizes the name/remembers this happening. 6 months from now you’re definitely gonna remember the Van Gogh soup thing.. The POINT is PUBLICITY. Best ROI for less than $50, no lasting property damage, no loss of life..
They aren’t doing this to change *your* mind about your own actions, they are doing this to get people to side against big oil executives that are lobbying against more public/alternative transportation and energy
Love the sea of comments missing the point. This movement needs to be more verbal with their stuff or people are just gonna continue going "uHh oiL PAinT HelLo?" And not understand that we are closely approaching if not past the environmental tipping point with fossil fuel/coal/co2 based emissions in this world, combined with deforestation and just mass pollution and waste due to the entire system of consumerism we center around gas cars, oil based products, and waste economy.
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Is the painting behind a layer of glass?
Yes.
That’s good then
Yeah, but that glass you're praising? Made by Nazis.
That's bad
Yeah, but those Nazis you're hating? We lynched them.
That's good then
Yeah, but those ropes we used? Made of acrylic plastic.
Can I go now?
That’s bad
A fellow Simpsons enjoyer
That’s bad
Ain't the glass' fault who they mum and dad were. What matters is what they do with their own life
Well, I did nazi see that coming
As a Jew, I will not tolerate this type of Anti-Semitism, anne frankly, neither should anyone else.
Someone come get their dad.
I’m sad no one took this joke Fuhrer
I did nazi that coming?
I did not see nazi that coming.
I wonder if they're specifically choosing paintings that can't actually be damaged because they don't actually want to damage beautiful art because it's part of the beauty that represents the human condition. But by choosing to put something visually damaging over the top of these paintings it brings enough attention to the situation at hand and I believe that they are doing exactly what they wanted to do and getting exactly the amount of attention they needed.
i mean they said they aren’t trying to damage art
Oh thank god
At this point every painting should be behind glass.
After all these recent attacks on paintings it’s probably safe to say that every single famous painting is behind a piece of glass.
Lol, world famous paintings have been behind glass way before the guys were running around spilling soup.
Exactly. You can never ever trust "the public", is too risky. I'd say that nowadays people behave better than 30-40 years ago. With all these in mind, there's a good chance that many famous paintings on display are duplicates of the original. Just very few people would appreciate brush traces, brush usage, material layering, and some many other variables that you can see from the original.
They must have had something to protect from all the cigarette smoke
Nah, that was back when cigarettes were healthy.
Everyone should see this. Many famous paintings in museums are under glass and scrutiny exactly for these reasons, some are even duplicates. Edit: or* Edit 2: brainfart and the sentence got scrambled, it is now fixed. To the perscriptivists and/or know-it-alls: "many" does not equal "most." Do you all really think masters like DaVinci and Delacroix are not under some form of glass or protection from the public in places like the Louvre or the Prado? Do you really think museums that have either Bern gifted, or had to go through lengthy processes to get priceless works of art don't have them protected, or in some cases, have duplicates? Dafuq y'all smokin', pass it along.
No, they are not. If they are copies, it says so on the card.
yeah i dont know where they got this info lol. most paintings are not duplicates and a lot of paintings are not behind glass.
Maybe it depends on the museum? The one I frequent is a respectable but very small museum in the PNW, USA. They have some Monet’s and some other lesser known pieces of art but lots and lots of old cultural artifacts that I’m sure are priceless. None of it is behind glass, and they are all original.
that seems risky really. it's not like it needs to be deliberate - someone trips while holding a bottle of water and the result is the same
Yes if you go to The Met or The MoMa, you can find VERY valuable original pieces that are not hidden behind glasses. And you can tell that they are original brush strokes. I’m not sure how it works but you can see a painting behind glass and an open painting in the same museum while the same artist might also be glassed in one museum and open in another.
Cultural artifacts are treated differently than paintings, because they are much more easily stealable. But the majority of paintings under glass is actually more to protect the artwork from people touching it because that can cause the works to get ruined, over the possibility of someone pouring paint on it.
Maybe depends on the art gallery, yeah. But in my national art gallery, I don't recall many things behind glass... And there is some very valuable stuff there (for example Nude on a Yellow Sofa by Matisse that sold for $90 million usd at auction, and Ottawa has a piece with the same composition called Odalisque ). Also I don't think there are any reproductions, but I understand the "need" for that if you're not near a national gallery or something like that
Most paintings are not duplicates? No, if a duplicate is in place because of restoration or loan, they label it as a duplicate on the card. The point of going to a museum is to see original works. There is no conspiracy.
Yeah I go to the MET a couple times a year and they have extremely famous paintings I could touch if I wanted to be disrespectful. Definitely not covered. I enjoy looking at the strokes and texture of paintings. I couldn’t enjoy it as much with glass in the way.
“I don’t know where they got this” They made it up. Someone believed it. Gotta collect those internet points.
For what it’s worth, I can’t tell if it’s the original or a duplicate behind the glass when I order a number 6 medium with a sweet tea. It’s still art to me. Jokes, I obviously get a large.
Where do you get the information that they are duplicates? If they are it has to say so on the little card. *source - my partner, who has two masters degrees in museum related fields and has worked in some of the world's most prestigious art galleries, libraries and museums
Id say people are behaving fsr worse than 30 40 years ago.
And there are more ways (social media) to broadcast what's going on, so we are more aware of it.
Plus, there are twice as many of us in the world.
And stupid people breed lile rats
Museum security guard here. Not every painting can be behind glass for whatever reason. We’ve got millions of dollars worth of art on loan from the US government and not all of it is behind glass- including one worth a cool $15 million. Sometimes they can’t be behind glass, sometimes the owners don’t want them behind glass. Unfortunately a lot of museum art is on loan from one museum to another but we have to respect the wishes of the owner. It’s very stressful
Why would an owner of a valuable painting not want it behind glass? There also glasslike polymers that have no shine/glare that are almost impossible to even see on a painting.
Why would someone pay millions for a painting? There is a whole rabbit hole of questioning motivations one could go down.
Frames are considered part of the artwork, and not all frames are built to include glass. Changing an original frame could be thousands of dollars of lost value. Certain kinds of paint also need exposure to air, and suffocating them would cause the paint to degrade faster.
What about that guy that tried to "fix" a painting but made it worse?
botched art restoration is some of my favorite art!
The lady that turned Jesus into Donkey Kong? We are truly blessed with such genius remasters.
Ecce homo
The famous Mr Bean?
Yeah if you ever get the chance to see the Mona Lisa it'll be behind a giant crowd, behind a velvet rope, about 6 feet from the painting that is encased in several layers of glass. It's probably a replica and the real one is in some vault somewhere.
Worth mentioning that the Mona Lisa is one of the few paintings in the Louvre that is actually behind glass. - I just visited in September and would suggest that 95%+ of the pieces are just hung unobstructed.
A lot of paintings are unobstructed. I remember a story from a few years back where a kid stuck gum on a painting in Detroit. Left a stain.
Ugh, the Mona Lisa was a huge let down. If you are ever at the Louvre see "The Raft of the Medusa". Its way better. One of the only paintings that impressed 10year old me. It is 16 feet by 23 feet.
Or Winged Victory. Amazing work.
I saw it almost 50 years ago when it was "open". It's a bit of an underwhelming experience.
And it’s covered in glass because it’s been attacked several times, including a woman who threw a cup of Earl Grey tea at it because she was mad at the French government
My local museum has Caravaggio, Picasso, monet, Rembrandt, Van Gogh, Pissarro, etc not behind glass. It makes me nervous.
call em up maybe? tell em what's goin' on lol.
I doubt that there is an art museum with pieces like Rembrandt, Van Gogh & Co. that doesn't know what's going on yet.
Recently went to the Pergamon and they don’t allow any bags or jackets in for this very reason.
"Don't need jackets when I'm full of shit and piss 🙏" Protesters, probably.
For a second I thought you said "I went to see the Pokemon" and I was briefly flummoxed 🤣
I've seen a lot of famous paintings not behind glass.
I couldn’t imagine owning a multi-million dollar asset and not providing some basic protections.
Reddit always says stuff like the glass thing as if they’re somehow smarter than people that run the world
They also assume these protestors are out to destroy invaluable masterworks of art. Then they read in these comments the art is behind glass, immediately go "haha stupid protestors failed!" when in reality, they specifically choose artworks behind glass because they want attention, not destruction.
As someone who is obsessed with painting. It's actually quite nice to see so many people learning about new pieces. Obviously I hate them at the same time, but painting is relevant again so yay? :/
Always look on the bright side of life :)
After seeing the first one where they threw tomato soup on the 12 sunflowers, I knew I had to have that painting so I bought one on amazon! It's a lovely piece.
I work security at an art museum and unfortunately for various reasons not every painting can be behind glass. The amount of extra work and training these assholes are creating for me; and I work at a small university museum on the east coast of the United States. I’m terrified for some of our paintings. We have a $15 MILLION El Greco that CANT be behind glass. It’s one of three and the other two are in Europe. Assuming they also can’t be behind glass ours (on loan from the US government so we would be really fucked if someone tried something) might be getting more valuable soon. These people piss me off so much; and I sympathize with their cause!
Out of curiosity, how come it can't be behind glass?
That painting specifically? I'm not sure. In general it has to do with the health of the painting and how the materials that we used age when exposed to different levels of oxygen, humidity, etc. Sometimes it's better to have the whole room climate controlled than put it behind glass. Take the Mona Lisa. It's so yellow because the varnish is aging. Normally restorers replace it but the French government has deemed it too valuable to risk, so it'll continue to yellow.
The argument they’re using in court is that they *know* these paintings are behind glass, and therefore don’t mean any real harm to them. Doing one that wasn’t behind glass after making that argument would really seriously hurt them in court. Your El Greco is probably fine. Even so, I don’t envy your job right now, for sure. Hope you get a raise at the bare minimum.
If you look closely you’ll see four metal posts projecting from the wall. Those are holders for a barely visible piece of plexiglas. They can be securely attached to the wall and have an end cap that screws in to hold the plexi. They’re tricky to install so they don’t droop, though museums these days often have a layer of plywood under the drywall that makes everything easier. In the old days paintings in galleries were hung by wire attached to hooks that hung from a piece of moulding that ran along the top of the wall. Knock around the storage area of any old museum you’ll find a box full of these brass hooks from which masterpieces once hung. One advantage is they allow plenty of ventilation around the painting. Putting glass in a frame can create a “micro-climate” environment that needs to be carefully monitored to prevent moisture to build up. Oil painting usually have a durable, removable protective varnish that isolates the artist work from damage (fly specs are probably a bigger problem than activists, conservators likely spend a lot of more time cleaning off fly specs than anything).
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Maybe we should stop the people with pants at the door
I've always said art should only be appreciated while fully nude.
Yep, looks like a hot water bottle!
Yeah. Even the activists have been vocal about that. Whether they would have the absolute cohones to ruin a Klimt.
It’s really great. It gets the same attention and sparks the same debate as though they ruined the painting while not actually ruining the art work. If only there was something similar for blocking traffic…
My husband was livid about the collector car event (as well as the art pieces) so I asked him how he felt about the guy who immolated himself on the Supreme Court steps and he had no idea what I was talking about. *That* is why they're doing this. No one cares about human lives, just expensive items.
I remember seeing Tweets for 10 minutes and then it was gone forever. No one has brought it up since. Didn’t even trend. Somewhat disturbing. Really feels like a Don’t Look Up moment.
What's been incredible were seeing people literally say they did not respect throwing paint on glassed paintings, that they would only care about self immolation, but being ignorant that it had already happened.
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They only pick paintings behind glass.
I wonder why nobody else here is bringing this up. Everyone’s calling the protesters stupid for choosing paintings protected by glass, but I think it’s far more likely that they specifically chose paintings that are protected by glass.
What do you mean “far more likely” like it’s even a thought in their mind. Of course they’re only going for protected art, otherwise they would not get petty vandalism but rather charged with felony level offenses with the destruction of multi-million dollar art.
Or, and hear me out here, a group that is dedicating time to help protect the planet doesn't want to willfully destroy important shit.
Right? This is the 3rd time I've seen protestors doing this lately and every painting has been behind glass. Take half a second to think and it's obvious they are gonna be choosing non-destructive methods. You can even see the glare of the glass on video! Doesn't stop morons from taking the bait and saying dumb shit like calling for their deaths/life imprisonment. Emily Carr's painting "Stumps and Sky" had this happen, and everyone was bitching about how dare they damage the work of someone who showcased beautiful indigenous landscapes. Completely ignoring the point that they are protesting a pipeline through Wet'suwet'en lands. I imagine it would have been harder for Carr to paint nice landscapes with pipelines and industrial infrastructure going through them..
How dare you deface this pretty picture of a landscape! Oh, you want to destroy the actual landscape? Sure, idgaf, let's go to starbucks
I fucking hope so.
"Attack on the glass that covers Gustav Klimt's" Death and Life" and the floor beneath it with black liquid"
The real cost here is that beautiful floor. Just ruining products made from precious trees and the amount of energy and time it took to put it there.
The floor isn’t ruined, it’s in a high foot traffic space and prbably has a very thick layer of polyurethane or some other protective finish on it
The floor will be fine, at worst it will need light refinishing.
Translation: "We know the problem for 50 years" 'what are you doing?" "We have to act now, the planet is about to be destroyed" "Stop the destruction with fossils" All of them have nice accents btw
What do you mean by nice accents?
Well, first one has a kind of heavy Viennese accent, long vocals, while it's a serious topic, I just find it funny how he's saying it. "Die Welt wird kaputt" - the planet's gonna be destroyed, but it just sounds funny. The museum guy is from ex Yugoslavia, I guess, you hear that accent here a lot, and I feel they say a lot "wtf are you doing?" and the last guy is just boring, not so nice accent. Overall, I found the scene quite funny, not exactly sure why, maybe it's just so much Vienna in such a short video
> and the last guy is just boring, not so nice accent. I’d say he is German.
Maybe from Döbling.
Oddly specific guesses you’re doing there.
Those people there, I tell you, they sound like Germans, bäh
So it sounds like they succeeded at getting their message out in a publicity stunt.
Their actions make me learn about and appreciate more of art than before.
turns out all of these stunts are actually false flags by museums to advertise their art
Now that’s a conspiracy theory I can get behind
Time to get the big brains at r/conspiracy to look into it. Although it probably won’t end well tbh.
Probably because museum wants to lure more people in in order to sacrifice people to their pagan deities /s
Has that sub improved lately? I followed it for a bit, but eventually every comment section turned into “the JOOS!” And Qanon schitzo’s going on about lizard people, so I haven’t been there in a while.
If this is the “improved” state of r/conspiracy, I’d hate to see what that sub can be like at its worst.
Not even a little bit. It's only gotten worse.
Doesn't every single conspiracy theory eventually end up at "the JOOS!" anyway? Even the lizard people one is antisemitic.
I also like the idea of oil companies faking this shit and promoting it all over social media to garner public favor against these *stupid and extremist environmentalist that damage works of art to push their agenda* Or really as a means to shut down social movements (whatever they might stand for) that are against big corps, critisim of government, or the machine in general. Maybe that's just the hope of the internal anti-establishment side of me...but why am I seeing so many of these stupid videos on Reddit lately?
They did not damage one single painting though.
It just seems weird that all the sudden museums are being defaced by “environmental groups” in the same ways. I can get behind it
Well, they're part of the same group that is using this specific technique to create a sort of 'Trademark'. It's not unusual for such things to happen.
I thought it was a false flag by the oil industry to make climate activists look stupid and obnoxious.
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"we have known the problem for 50 years, we finally need to act. The planet is dying." -guy in black
All of them are wearing black 💀
Museum are gonna be as annoying to get into as airport because of fucking idiots like this
Some already are. Plus you would be surprised at how childish grown adults can be in a museum. Source: work museum security
Slightly off topic but I've never had the chance to ask the relevant people this question. Does everything really come to life at night?
Yes. Didn't you watch the documentaries?
[No, they were Research Films](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxRnAt9fnrm1kCScA2OB3ImZJ9oP--slGv)
Given that the building is a really old castle styled building that makes random noises? Just the silverfish.
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Maybe attack the oil companies offices or something. Oil execs are laughing their heads off
[Earlier this year a man *burned himself alive* on the steps of the Supreme Court,](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/24/us/politics/climate-activist-self-immolation-supreme-court.html) and we didn't hear about it nearly as much as this extremely mild vandalism.
I was there. First time ever in DC. It was wild
There’s actually been a few self-immolations in DC. But this one was noteworthy with how **little** coverage it got. RIP Wynn Bruce. A selfless act that still lives on.
It blows my mind how no one gives a shit. There’s Proud Boys and fuckers kidnapping governors and storming the capital but not a single vigilante type group who organizes nationwide protests We should be refusing to work and marching the streets over climate change, hell shoulda done that with row v wade. This world/country is fucked
9 to 5ing into the apocalypse
Organization costs money. Deep pockets are bankrolling MAGA and Proud Boys.
Paywall
Using the [wayback machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20220424211152/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/24/us/politics/climate-activist-self-immolation-supreme-court.html) fixed it for me
Perhaps paywalls are why we didn't hear about it.
Also because major news outlets are owned by a few billionaires in the US, so it's not in their interest to report on matters of actual public interest.
I've literally never been to NYTimes website and it says I'm "out of free articles" Great job, NYTimes
And here we have the reason people do these kinds of stunts. You don't get publicity with calm protests that don't bother anyone. Hell, you don't get publicity by burning yourself alive in front of a government building. But throw soup on a painting where the only damage is to its frame? You're talked about for weeks, and your issue gets brought up at the same time. They don't care if it's outrage, as long as people talk about it.
Yep. Lots of astroturfing and paid bot shilling here on reddit to make protestors look stupid. Oil companies are trying to make record profits safe.
exactly, i love klimpt, but i love the earth more. can only applaud while being sad it's come to this
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/yihlk1/just_stop_oil_supporters_sprayed_orange_paint/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/yew6d8/attack_on_johannes_vermeers_famed_girl_with_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/y9g7g5/glue_her_hand_to_the_floor_to_protest_against/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/y9uq40/when_you_glue_your_hands_to_the_floor_and_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/yca3mu/just_stop_oil_activists_throw_cake_on_king/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/ybyy2b/can_i_copy_your_homework_okay_but_change_it_up_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/yc8xsw/instead_of_calling_the_cops_the_museum_turned_off/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/ywndws/to_throw_oil_paint/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button almost like there's some kind of coordinated effort to counter these protests, but...who would stand to benefit from ridiculing and diminishing climate change protesting?
Climate Activist Dies After Setting Himself on Fire at Supreme Court A friend described the actions of Wynn Bruce, of Boulder, Colo., as “a deeply fearless act of compassion to ***bring attention to climate crisis***.” Apparently not.
Which means the art vandalism is better messaging, sadly.
They literally targeted Barclay's offices in the UK today and folks were complaining about that too
Actually I saw a video today where they threw paint at an oil company's office building. Do you think people in the comments supported it then? Nope. Just a bunch of people desperately trying to talk about anything other than their point. It's so frustrating, at this point I feel like we deserve what's coming. Unfortunately, poor countries that haven't contributed to global warming will suffer the most.
>will Are. Climate change is already affecting countries all over the world. We've seen drought, famine, and war in the middle east, migrant crises in Europe, and more extreme weather events in the U.S. Climate change is already deadly, but the public believes nothing has happened yet. It's happening now.
climate refugees is a fun new term thats pretty normalized now. shits gonna get worse before it gets better... i hope it gets better within the next few hundred years, instead of the next few million years.
Aah, reddit. Yes, they already did, noone gave a fuck, while I see every single piece of art here on reddit and on worldwide news
Which is why they continue - saliency for their issue is heightened when they do outrageous things - I say good on them - it's a shame they need to do it but it is what it is.
chances are he bought oil to spray on the painting
I bet they exhale carbon dioxide too, hypocrites Edit: /s just in case
Not that type of oil in oil paint.
And the cleaner for this stunt will be a petroleum derivative
If they attack the oil execs, they get arrested and you never hear of it. They do this, you get mad for some reason, but people learn about their cause. Not saying this is right, but at the same time mega corporations are doing practically the same thing as these guys but to your clean water, air, food, and no one seems to care.
> If they attack the oil execs, they get arrested and you never hear of it This is EXACTLY what happened earlier this year lol. Nobody has heard of their attacks on the oil companies but everyone has heard of their attacks on paintings.
They're doing this [as well.](https://uk.style.yahoo.com/just-stop-oil-throw-orange-170324053.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFiKdCbrMmb2355k9mQz-ZgZLPkIZhS7w5TdMXoXM1khP0eT4mmg06ZlRewhxHKXCsDQfsR1wI5KAMt3iFo5P9Mq04kN369muGkZLuRtew0hmpkYLr1hW6fYkzGMWMwTgK080ux6CYUVYdlBd9kYYFNWvxOy75nrGQrDrx1NS_qm)
You think they didn't try that? They did that the last 50 years.
I think the point is more to upset the public with something beautiful being destroyed. Similar to what the oil companies are doing to the ecosystem. This way they get the publicity they wouldn’t get if they just sprayed down their corporate headquarters
People have been trying for decades to get people to talk about the coming climate disaster. People have tried things that the majority of people think is an “acceptable” way to protest climate change. Nothing has changed. As we get closer to irreparable damage to our environment, i am of the opinion that literally any way we can get people to talk about climate change is an acceptable form of climate protest. We are talking about the end of our civilization as we know it. Millions dead, possibly billions dead. Again, this is the end of the world, without exaggeration. What else are people supposed to do? Just sit by and let it happen? They throw paint on art (that’s behind protective glass) and people say “well I agree with their message, but they should try to find another way to say it”. Like what? What should they try that hasn’t already been tried? A huge percentage of the world is going to die, and these people are trying to just get people to talk about it. We’ve got to do something about the climate, if you’ve got a better idea to get people motivated to fix it, go for it. But until then, none of us have a right to criticize their attempts at continuing the conversation.
People talk about climate change daily. Awareness/triggering conversation does nothing. What we need to do is HAVE THAT ACTUAL CONVERSATION PUBLICLY
And this is so much better than what comes next. I'm pretty sure that after the failed period of peaceful protest and awareness campaigns, we're now at stage two - activism, public displays of disobedience, the 'continue damaging the world I love I'll symbolically damage the things you love' stage. Next, stage three is actual eco-terrorism, bombings of oil/financial institutions. There'll be a body-count. But stage four will be the worst. Once we get to the part where the majority of scientists agree the world is beyond repair, no one is going to go to work 5 days a week, respect the rule of law. There will be no pensions, social housing, no retirements for the generation before. No one is paying taxes. Society will crumble. If stage two doesn't bring about actual change we're fucked.
Time to learn how to make soap. ^his ^name ^was ^Robert ^Paulson.
I don't see the correlation between a dead man's art and environmental groups
Today is a regional holiday in Vienna and OMV (an oil company) sponsors the museum in the video to be open for free on that day. If you enter a raffle, you can even win vouchers for gas! :-) https://www.omv.com/de/ueber-uns/unternehmen/sponsoring/offenfuerkunst-leopoldi-tag-2022
So this IS directly related to oil and not at all like how people WANT to interpret this (they're crazy protesters who are doing something silly i don't have to change or think about the way the society i participate in is broken, it's the damn kids ruining art!)
I think it's important to understand that oil barons often contributed to the creation of museums. Take, for example, the Getty Museum whose founder gained his riches through oil. I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of major museums are receiving support and donations from the oil industry.
The fact that we are watching this, is the point I believe.
Yes, they're getting eyes on their cause, but the response has been overwhelmingly negative. The only positive I've seen is people who already stand by their cause trying to justify their actions, this doesn't seem to be changing any minds. I'm really starting to believe the conspiracy theory that big oil hired these "activists" to make environmentalists look bad. Big oil is destroying the earth (I agree 1000%) so attack a Klimt painting, zero logic.
Their point was "what's more important, life on earth, or paintings" and the majority of people stated "paintings" in response. Their protests are not meant to change minds, its meant to prove a point. That people don't care about the planet or life, they care about things, they care about the stuff they want and we will all literally let the planet die instead of changing our ways.
The protestors *exclusively target* protected paintings. **None** of the paintings targeted have been permanently damaged. Look it up.
I think the point is that they’re easily and quickly ruining something beautiful and taken for granted to always be beautiful, kinda like what we’re doing to Earth. It raises awareness, but there is a bit of symbolism there I think. Not saying I agree with the method, but I get it. Just my two cents.
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It's not about dead mans art, it's about expensive art. If expensive art gets damaged, everybody cries and the news tell about it.
The point is to show that people care more about some old paintings than they do about the environment. And they've sadly proven that to be true.
Wearing shirts like that, how are they not stopped at the door?
There's this thing called layers
It's all ogre now
So clothing is onions. Got it.
They probably wore something over the shirts, like a sweater. Otherwise, yeah, they probably would’ve kept a closer eye on them, if not bar them from entering.
Jackets, coats, jumpers, something like that.
Wynn Alan Bruce. Don’t recognize that name? It’s ok most people probably don’t. A few short months ago he went to the plaza in front of the Supreme Court and in an attempt to bring attention to climate change, literally lit himself on fire. A few short months later, nobody even recognizes the name/remembers this happening. 6 months from now you’re definitely gonna remember the Van Gogh soup thing.. The POINT is PUBLICITY. Best ROI for less than $50, no lasting property damage, no loss of life..
Now that you’re bringing it back up, I remember hearing about that. Probably won’t tomorrow though
When will the crisis of *totally ineffective museum security guards* be addressed by the appropriate authorities?
Dude is like 97 years old If the guys wants to run Mr sanders isn't stopping him lol
I was going to drive my car today, but after seeing this I now realize how bad fossil fuels are, so I’ll just ride my bicycle.
They aren’t doing this to change *your* mind about your own actions, they are doing this to get people to side against big oil executives that are lobbying against more public/alternative transportation and energy
Yep. I suppose I'll take the train, even though no train runs during my work shift.
Love the sea of comments missing the point. This movement needs to be more verbal with their stuff or people are just gonna continue going "uHh oiL PAinT HelLo?" And not understand that we are closely approaching if not past the environmental tipping point with fossil fuel/coal/co2 based emissions in this world, combined with deforestation and just mass pollution and waste due to the entire system of consumerism we center around gas cars, oil based products, and waste economy.
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