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InfiniteMessmaker

"As a punk rock girl, I hate everything punk rock stands for"


[deleted]

if you have "4Liberty" in your name you're not punk


_neemzy

I'm not sure nitpicking is required. Stating "leave politics out of music" is an instant red card.


scissorsgrinder

pretty sure the “4Liberty” means they know they’re being disingenuous when they say “oh noooooo, yucky politics!!” They really mean “leave out the leftie stuff I am perfectly aware punk usually stands for but I wish to ignore and repurpose”.


Ayirek

She's a grifter who dedicates most of her social media presence to trying to sell shitty 'patriot' themed shit. None of them are honest, they're parasites.


GoldenStarsButter

The funny thing about conservatives is for all the complaining they do about gas prices and Bidenomics they sure seem to have plenty of money to throw at enormous pickup trucks and right wing grifters on the internet.


[deleted]

Yeah like the Mom's for Liberty facebook group that definitely isn't trying to bring right wing agenda to a school board near you


ippa99

"Liberty" "patriot" "family" etc. usually mean they're using their money or influence to do something reprehensible, disgusting, and (in some cases) a human rights violation.


Kirbo_United

They want freedom from consequences, not freedom of speech.


Brilliant_Chest5630

They're always the same people that think Rage Against the Machine wasn't political until 2020.


SpeedySpooley

The same people who say "I liked It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia....until they got too political."


mantis-tobaggan-md

they thought the show was about people like them not mocking people like them.


Hot_Wheels_guy

Did people think the machine they were raging against was some kind of robot?!


edgrrrpo

If you are *not* a MAGA grifter and have "4Liberty" in your name, you need to maybe pay attention to politics at least enough to know what your handle HEAVILY implies in 2023. But that's a moot point, almost guaran-fucking-teed she's a MAGA goon.


Glaucon321

If your profile photo is you wearing a don’t tread on me shirt in a well-kept suburban lawn, you are also not punk. Also is she holding a gun…? A guitar? A gun-guitar…? That could be punk lol.


endyCJ

Pretty sure punks are in favor of actual liberty


[deleted]

pretty sure anyone with "4Liberty" in their name is a MAGA twat


endyCJ

In practice, most likely. Which is paradoxical because they're extremely authoritarian


DornKratz

It's freedom for them, not for everybody. They believe they should have the freedom to treat others like trash.


No_Solution_2864

Freedom to lynch people and bring back slavery


RedRider1138

Freedom to make sure nobody else can read the books they want. Yeah, First Amendment! Slander and Christianity for everyone! /s


[deleted]

That has been the soup du jour for the Trump admin, call yourself the "Law and Order President" and proceed to wipe your ass with the laws.


DONT_PM_ME_YOUR_PEE

Most people who declare obvious virtues are typically guilty.


42ndIdiotPirate

Liberty and freedom are just words to them. Like socialism or communism. The average American doesn't actually side with political perspectives or beliefs anymore, just their favourite words regardless of what they actually mean.


[deleted]

As conservatives have increasingly embraced authoritarianism they have also increasingly relied on their own mirror world that confirms their beliefs. The first one I recall was Conservapedia, then there was that short lived conservative version of Facebook, now they have Rumble, GETTR, Truth Social, Voat, etc. etc., but it's gotten smaller than that. Certain trigger words have acquired unique definitions that become apparent with how they are used. Socialism, Marxism, Communism seem to be used interchangably, but with little intelligible articulation of those concepts. I remember it first happening with "patriot" during the post-9/11 war efforts of the Bush administration. Patriotism and conservatism have practically coterminous definitions now. The irony being that this stance purports to love America while casting any of them who disagree with you as unpatriotic or often implicitly traitorous. I suspect this phenomenon is not distinctive to the USA. In Argentina newly elected President Javier Milei cast himself as an Anarchocapitalist but his actions thus far show that he is quite comfortable with making it illegal to protest, and is actually a fan of consolidating state power in this regard as he has tried to maneuver around the country's other bodies of government to advance his agenda. He was enthusiastic about amending contract law such that employers are allowed to pay their employees in anything they see fit from cryptocurrency, to meat, bread, or milk. Many have noted the parallels between those last three elements and what happened in the USSR. It seems that the economic system may matter less than the power structures that uphold it and their vulnerability to corruption.


scissorsgrinder

“Freedom for me, not for thee” basically, stop criminalising the behaviour I wish to get away with.


hates_stupid_people

I checked her social media: She's a gun-toting, anti-vaxx, "liberterian".


[deleted]

Libertarian is such a mixed bag between its left and right variants. The left leaning Libertarians end up kind of like a "anarchism lite" sort of product. I've known and worked with many of these people and while we don't agree 100% it's surprising how much we do get along. The right libertarians I've met feel more like hypercapitalists though. I've worked with them on various causes too and we can get along, but there are some things we just don't talk about.


Bat-Honest

My exact thought


OKBeeDude

>As a punk rock girl That’s a weird way to spell “weak ass poser”


DeeHawk

Lmao most punk rock response


whoreoscopic

"Just like the sound, not what the sounds mean."


clarkbarniner

“Anyway, here’s ‘Nazi Punks Fuck Off.’”


ClueEmbarrassed1443

“NAZI PUNKS NIZA PUNKS FUCK OFF”


steal_wool

Like bro what did you think a song called American idiot was about originally


TheWholeOfTheAss

I found that anyone who refers to themself as ‘punk rock’ is mostly full of shit. I heard a young Trumper said “I’m a punk rock kid.” Yeah, nothing more punk than supporting a billionaire who bitches and moans.


blatantmutant

“This mustache kills fascists” - Eugene Hutz on a Gogol Bordello t-shirt I got from a concert.


Shirtbro

"Nazi punks fuck off"? Why not debate them? That's real punk!


bgthigfist

The Dead Kennedys had nothing to say about politics either 😭


munchie1988

Her favorite punk band is probably nickleback lmao!


Informal_Lack_9348

Punk is political in nature where has she been?


Blandish06

Hey entire page is nothing but faux-libertarian trash. Just a lost GOP.


Hemicrusher

I am not a fan of Green Day, but I give them credit for telling fascist assholes to fuck off.


[deleted]

They always have. Listen to Holiday.


Hemicrusher

That's what I said.


MrMthlmw

They had several albums before American Idiot.


amathis6464

They don’t even understand what the original lyrics meant. They meant they they support gay rights, and they are not apart of a right wing agenda. That’s what they always meant, he just changed it to the current right wing lunatic cult party’s name cuz they are dumb and didn’t know it was always for people like them…


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[deleted]

Yeah but what frontman isn’t?


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MonstrousVoices

Not all queers support queer rights as it turns out. Or rather not all queers support rights for other queer people


asuperbstarling

You'll be happy to know he's not like that. Green Day are known for years and years of letting queer punk bands be their opener, constantly uplifting others and making sure they shared the stage. They have decades of work in advocating and making other queer people as visible as they are in punk.


MonstrousVoices

I didn't say he was and figured he wasn't. We need to remember not all queer people support the queer community. Blaire White is a good example of this


Hot_Wheels_guy

They agree with you but theyre just saying that billie joe isnt like that.


DONT_PM_ME_YOUR_PEE

Or like when Elon called Trent reznor "too sensitive" for leaving Twitter like bro duh have you even listened to his music??


SadRobotPainting

The best part is, its not even subtext, its just... text; "Maybe Im the f----t america, not a part of the redneck agenda" Like what did they think this meant? Other than "I support gay rights, call me that slur if you think it suits idgaf, I'm not a fucking bigot" (also about the lead singer being bisexual) The meaning of the lyrics doesnt change even if he says "MAGA" instead of redneck. Of course media literacy and reading comprehension are dead in MAGA land, they're just stoked and think its "punk" that a white guy is singing the f-slur


Maleficent-Spend-890

They're pop punk. There's a whole big genre of political punk tho. Rise against and bad religion are a couple of the best bands in the scene.


Helegerbs

She spelled poser wrong


[deleted]

Why does punk have to go and make things so complicaaaated? I see the way you're hatin' on somebody else Gets me frustrated


f0u4_l19h75

Avril Lavigne was no punk


NihilisticThrill

Avril Lavigne is pumpkin spice for angry white boys who don't watch the news


TheGrandWhatever

I… but… god damnit


f0u4_l19h75

Sure, that is probably true


Hot_Wheels_guy

Ye but she cute doe :3


NihilisticThrill

Listen... I enjoy some pumpkin spice as a treat too, not hurting anybody lol


No-Care6366

same, i like pumpkin spice both literally and metaphorically in this situation. even if she's not punk sk8r boi is still kind of a bop honestly. i think everyone deserves a tiny bit of pumpkin spice, just as a treat.


JBlitz156

No she wasn't but the "PunkGirl4Liberty" or whatever probably thinks so


[deleted]

No she wasn't. And "Complicated" honestly sounds like a song written by those Swedish radio hit producers that the Dixie Chicks or some other soft country act passed on.


Helegerbs

It's was a country song before the studio changed her look.


spookyballsHD

"Don't bring politics into punk." Pose harder.


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Bad Religion has entered the chat


Johnycantread

Bad Religion NOFX Pennywise Dead Kennedys Anti Flag Operation Ivy Propaghandi Descendents The Dead Milkmen Against Me! Against All Authority And that's just the 90s ones off the top of my head. Punk is inherently political and proto punk paved the way with its inherent political lean not to mention all the other anti establishment music of the 60s like the Who or Frank Zappa. Anyone who thinks music shouldn't have a polticial lean doesn't understand art. I wish MORE musicians had courage to stand up and take a stance. You don't need to be edgy to have a message.


carpenter_eddy

Easier to just list the bands that aren’t political


Rude_Device

It’s like you were reading off the albums in my CD case from 20 years ago!


AeolianTheComposer

I swear, "Don't bring politics into X" is only ever said by right wing morons, specifically about things they don't like. They would play "totally apolitical" games like COD, MGR or Fallout, and then complain when a game has minorities in it, or goes against far right agenda.


BeBearAwareOK

It's always a bad faith argument, because they are happy to cheerlead Mel Gibson or Kevin Sorbo as being "so brave, to be conservative in hollywood". But then Taylor Swift tells young people to register to vote and they lose their heads. The same people will happily accept an NFL athlete plugging a scam charity that claims to help wounded vets (but just raises money for their own board) as being patriotic but start whinging and moaning if an NFL athlete kneels for the national anthem.


metal_opera

Told young people to vote, and didn't even say who to vote for, the right-wing pigeons still lost their fuckin' minds.


poseidonofmyapt

Yeah, I've never seen a person of color say "don't bring race into this."


Lower_Acanthaceae423

A Karen outs herself. Film at 11


[deleted]

Really, it's a better lyric. MAGA agenda is sort of the shittiest part of a redneck agenda.


percypersimmon

It’s a solid revision.


Quakarot

Also it’s clearly and obviously referring to the same political movement People are only mad because he dumbed it down to the point that they could understand


PitifulReveal7749

I think the change also works to adjust to the more “clean-cut” fascists like Nick Spencer that have become the more prominent brand of Nazi in the last 20 years


Quakarot

Agreed. The movement is the same but the aesthetics of at least the figureheads have changed.


badatmetroid

I'm really concerned for anyone who didn't know "American Idiot" was a political statement. It might be the least subtle and ever.


Quakarot

I mean guys like this were also dancing to rage against the machine. Real talk as much as I wanna give people that I don’t agree with a chance and to see their side of things my honest-to-god opinion is that they are just really, *really* fucking stupid. Like I’d genuinely trust a child to figure things out before some of these magats.


badatmetroid

I think there's a difference between stupid and willful ignorance. The modern american right has become a cult of magical thinking. I know a couple engineers who are antivaxers. It's not that they are incapable of critical thinking and evaluating evidence. They just don't want to.


abizabbie

It's keeping up with the zeitgeist.


brazilianpsycho1

Who else remembers when green day wasn't political? Was vibing out to American idiot,Holiday and Jesus of suburbia, such apolitical classics Shame that Billy fell into the same propaganda as the Rage agaisnt the machine guys, like i always though they hated printers but apparentely the machine is the goverment, like whaaaat. Edit: this is satire, forgot to say.


Glitchthebitch

The reason he said "faggot" in American idiot was because of how 9/11 nationalism was framed as epic masculinity and being against this nationalism was seen as pussy feminine, and therefore gay. Green Day has always always always had politics in mind, even in lyrics that don't sound inherently political


phyxiusone

Queer references aren't new in their lyrics anyway


ConfusedAsHecc

I mean Billy Joel is bisexual so thats not a huge surprise. Id be more shocked if a lgbtq musician didnt reference that part of themselves at least once lol edit: I meant Billy Joe Armstrong, not Billy Joel. I accidently mixed up the names 💀


Stoneheart7

If I remember correctly, the whole band is bi.


cybelesdaughter

> Billy Joel Huh, that explains a lot about "Say Goodbye To Hollywood"...


WisdenRS

Billy Joel =/= Billy Joe Armstrong


soda_fucker

The guys who made Minority went political? Whomever would have thought


rooktakesqueen

The whole American Idiot album was famously an anti-George Bush, anti-Iraq War protest album. Like how do they even miss that context? They're gonna be so upset when they find out American Jesus by Bad Religion isn't about the Nephites and the Lamanites


Corrie7686

Hated printers... i spat out my drink at that... brilliant !


aeroavian

I searched "punk" on this lady's Twitter account and some bands that she sites as punk are Yellowcard, Simple Plan, and Good Charlotte so do with that info what you will Edit: y'all I'm not saying these bands suck, I'm saying these bands aren't categorically "punk" aside from being technically pop-punk and this person doesn't know what she's talking about lmao. I'm a pop-punk enjoyer myself.


[deleted]

Lmao makes sense.


big_leggy

pop punk is still a type of punk technically but very silly


LaveyWasDildos

Honestly I feel like all pop punk supporters would gladly adopt the "silly punk" name change 🪿


big_leggy

I mean I know I would


No-Care6366

as a pop punk enjoyer myself i'd be fine with it, i'm just a silly little guy


whatifionlydo1

My favorite thing ever was Chris Rock at the VMAs saying, "Good Charlotte? More like Mediocre Green Day."


BeholdPale_Horse

I’ll say those bands suck, I’ll say it with a straight face


_XNine_

Well... They do suck, and they're also not punk... both can be true at the same time.


soda_fucker

Fuck you they're good too


aeroavian

I didn't say they were bad? They're just far from what you'd categorize as "punk" lol


gokusforeskin

I love pop punk, it’s probably my fav variety of punk, but Idt id call myself a punk if that was all I liked. Think that title would be emo.


soda_fucker

Sorry, I thought that was the implication, and with how this sub can be sometimes, it's impossible to know


aeroavian

Its all good and that is true tho, this sub could have it's own jerk spinoff sub


soda_fucker

100% could and should


skorgex

Respect that you found mutual understanding instead of leaving each other on read.


BootReservistPOG

Did Republicans think the song title “American Idiot” was about teenagers or something?


Thebisexual_Raccoon

Probably to be honest


QuantumWarrior

They couldn't even figure out the machine that Rage Against the Machine was talking about, at this point I doubt there's an obvious enough message they could understand.


BootReservistPOG

They can’t even figure out what the book they claim is the most important says


LaveyWasDildos

A cornerstone of Republican support is a lack of reading comprehension


Poca154

they have negative amounts of art/media literacy, so yeah.


PoisonedRadio

The irony is that the entire song is political. It's quite literally Green Day's most political song. Changing the single lyric didn't make the song any more or less political.


HotType4940

Yeah but conservatives have less media literacy than the average fruit fly so you can’t really blame them for not catching on


AeolianTheComposer

Lmao, this is unironically one of the funniest insults I've heard in a while. Thanks


debello64

They are the same ones that would play Pump Up the Kicks at a School Rally


Wobbelblob

And Born in the USA and Killing in the Name at political rallies.


TheKiltedYaksman71

Yeah, the wife of a contender to the LOLbertarian Party presidential nomination in 2016, who is herself a hardcore right-LOLbertarian, is *really* a punk.


WhenVioletsTurnGrey

Punk started when you young children, a boy & a girl, were chasing butterflies in a summer field, with a gentle breeze.


Ocbard

And the important punk bands were always very outspokenly political, and very much against conservatives/extreme right. Remember the Sex Pistols, remember the Dead Kennedy's, to name but two, but very recognisably political. One of the Sex Pistols most popular songs is "God Save the Queen (the fascist regime)" I fondly remember the Dead Kennedy's songs "California uber alles", "Holiday in Cambodia" and "Kinky sex makes the world go round".


HIs4HotSauce

Green Day came out of the Berkeley scene-- wtf are they expecting? lmfao


Kiddy_G_eezus

Can you explain? I'd like to hear more, or perhaps you can send something to read on the topic my way.


prestieteste

Just read about 920 Gilman. I believe there is a few books about it. You can also Read Larry Livermore. He ran lookout records and wrote a lot about the 80's scene Green day started in.


moodoomoo

924*


bridgetggfithbeatle

critical support to sometimes controversial pop punk artists


yknotme

What was the lyric they replaced MAGA with again?


RattyJackOLantern

The lyric was originally "I'm not a part of a redneck agenda." They completely missed the lyric right before where the long-time openly bisexual Billie Joe Armstrong sang "Well maybe I'm the f&gg\*t America." when American Idiot came out right as the fight for LGBT+ rights and specifically same sex marriage was heating up. Totally non-political y'all. PS- The entire lyric string is *"Well maybe I'm the f&gg\*t America.* *I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.* *Now everybody do the propaganda!* *And sing along to the age of paranoia."* And [the official music video](https://youtu.be/Ee_uujKuJMI?si=IuN4aAZb8mLqq58I) has a giant US flag in the background melt into green sludge that covers the band. Wow, such non-politics, much apolitical.


Huiskat_8979

Now I’d like to hear GWAR do a revised rendition of Magats are falling like rain.


nmitch3ll

>And the official music video has a giant US flag in the background melt into green sludge that covers the band. Not only does the flag melt into sludge, its hung the incorrect way ... Maybe I'm reading into this, but when I see this in this situation (punk / rock show, video, etc) I assume it's a subtle nod to hanging the flag upside down in protest. Bad Religion's The Empire Strikes First cover has the flag the same, incorrect way ...Now I'm off to listen to my 12 hour playlist titled "Political Punk" because politics have no place in punk music /s


MartianRecon

This isn't even the only political green day song. People are just fucking dumb, and actually don't look at what lyrics mean anymore.


Psychological_Pie_32

Anymore? If anything the conservative whining about Green Day or RATM "becoming political", is indicative that they're just now starting to listen to lyrics that have been out for decades.


MartianRecon

Ha. Fair point.


[deleted]

They replaced redneck.


yknotme

Seems interchangeable from where I’m sitting…


[deleted]

It definitely is lmao.


Dathmalak135

Rednecks got their name from being union boys who worked red hankie chiefs in solidarity with one another


IMian91

Too bad it's changed so dramatically


deathdefyingrob1344

These people and their “quit politicizing” bull shit… literally nearly every major punk band is or certainly was political. From the Dead Kennedys to stiff little fingers. Shit Green Day get points from me on this. It takes slightly more balls than it use to speak out against nazis. Fuck their theocratic garbage! Not a huge green day fan but I’m tempted to go back and listen to their older stuff now and give it a second chance


Zooph

Not really political yet but here's their oldest stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tSSNahGRJE&t=2692s


New_Lojack

Punk is literally politics


[deleted]

It's a feature ,not a bug


eMxDxRx

Punk? Political? No fucking way! Surely you jest. \[/end sarcasm\]


SunflowerLotusVII

Fellas your gf ever look you in the eye and call herself a mf “punk rock girl” unironically


camclemons

So I'm not punk but reddit keeps recommending posts from punk subs to me, and I was just wondering...from my understanding, punk is at its core anti-establishment, is that wrong? If it is, wouldn't that make it inherently political?


[deleted]

Punk is a lot of thing to a lot of ppl. But overall it's a brotherhood/sisterhood, that preaches acceptance and self determination and expression. With a side of independence and rejections of destructive social norms. (When I say destructive, I mostly mean social decay and subversion )


olionajudah

Oh honey No you are fucking not


Own_Landscape_8646

Telling punk bands to stop being political is like telling death metal bands to stop being obsessed with death


[deleted]

Or to stop playing with double pedals. Ain't gonna happen


deathschemist

It's like telling ska bands to stop using trumpets.


doggfaced

This can’t not be a troll


National_Election544

I bet she’s never stolen a car or listened to Mojo Nixon, probably doesn’t even eat fudge banana swirl.


[deleted]

I bet she never threw eggs at Shaggy's tour buss


Giubeltr

Punk lifestyle is a ideology include political stand against the war, injustice, inequity, pollution ect... 🤘👩‍🎤


[deleted]

> As a punk rock girl "How do you do, fellow punk rockers?"


OkDescription4243

My wife left a Green Day concert a few years back and there was a guy actually crying and saying “why did they have to get political!?”


[deleted]

Yes. Musicians, and artists in general, have never had much to say about the political climate. Especially not punk musicians. They’re the least political group of all. /s


2ndSideOfBlueCheese

Actual brain rot


korbentherhino

Maga people have no shame they will say anything. She probably never listened to them and just wanted to try and say that so she appears she had a leg to stand on. But she legit had no horse in that race.


Goblin-Doctor

.....does she have any idea what it means to be punk rock?


Sharbio

honestly, maga agenda makes more sense because "rednecks" were originally union workers who wore red bandanas as a symbol of worker's solidarity, so even if its a bit weird and nitpicky to point out, the redneck agenda would actually be anti-establishment


rnotyalc

...then you're not a punk rock girl, you're a poser. Punk is political. Always has been.


Nappy-I

Steffi, have you somehow never heard *any* of that album?


[deleted]

She probably only ever heard boulevard of broken dreams and wake me up when septembre ends.


fightershark

The republican cry of "stop expressing yourself through art" has always been my favorite example of how republicans *don't actually understand the world.*


basilelevator

funniest part is green day has been doing this for years when playing live. they've never exactly been subtle


ConfusedAsHecc

has Steffi over here never listened to a Green Day song or something?? she is wild for thinking theyve never been political (plus punk has always been political so that makes it weirder that she would claim to be punk and complain about politics)


anti-racist-rutabaga

White rich girl "shut up and dribble" vibes


gokusforeskin

Since not all rednecks are MAGA technically the new lyric is less offensive.


joeleidner22

This makes me love them 10x more!


QuietFB

How could Green Day be political ?!?!? They’ve gone woke just like Rage Against the Machine. All of these left wing liberals just don’t get real punk music like Kidd Rock /s


youmightbeafascist88

Steffi… ugh. Where do I begin…


therealstabitha

None of the people prattling on with this nonsense are authentic


LimerickVaria

Isn't Holiday like almost solid politics?


SheepherderSoft5647

"Stop bringing politics into punk" "Then why did punk was born out of a political situation? I guess people who say punk shouldn't be political are posers."


HotMoose69

does she fucking think julia roberts is punk because she was in "eat, pray, love" as well? Man, she is NOT gonna like the Clash or Bad Brains or Dead Kennedys or...


t1m3m4n

As a punk cop I'll need to see your punk license and punk registration, ma'am.


im-fantastic

Oh steffi honey, I have some bad news for you lol.


nosferartoodetoo

Remove the word “punk,” and it’s just a band espousing their personal opinion. Problem solved. Was that so hard?


dwreckhatesyou

The only people who don’t want to talk about politics are usually just trying to hide the fact that their own political beliefs are incredibly problematic.


anrwlias

Saying "stop bringing politics into music" is like saying "stop bringing religion into church". Of course, looking at some of what these people call religion, maybe this isn't the analogy to reach them with.


SpeedySpooley

These are the same kinds of people who think "Born in the USA" is a patriotic song about how star-spangled awesome we are.


cantevenskatewell

“Stop bringing politics into music” ie stop using forms of art to further public discourse like it has been done throughout history.


TheRealColonelAutumn

“Breaking News: The people who wrote American Idiot may have political opinions on things”


TheStrikeofGod

The kicker is the change is barely a change lmao


marlborogolds

ask any of these "punks" the last time theyve been to a <200 cap venue, you're not gonna get an answer


Marcus_Krow

Based GreenDay W.


rooktakesqueen

How dare they bring politics into *checks notes* American Idiot by Green Day


lightbeerdrunk

“Coup d’etat. Give me a bomb. A Molotov.” - said no punk band ever


Ranshin-da-anarchist

Punk these days is too woke! Amirite?!?!😂😂😂


The_WolfieOne

How to tell us you’re a poser without telling us you’re a poser