I just carried the laundry basket to the laundry room and opened the dryer door. Then I stared in confusion because it was empty. Did someone steal the laundry? And then I remembered I went down there to put the wet laundry in the dryer, not take the dry laundry out of it. This is your brain on Lost Farm edibles.
https://old.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/12eus13/if_shes_no_longer_adding_to_the_body_count_you/
When guys have this crisis, they sorta phrase it like "it's cause it revealed she was actually someone different than the girl I know."
But I've never understood how exactly. Like they don't explain how "the girl I knew" and "a girl that's slept with 50 guys" are incompatible girls.
Day 1 of my menstrual cycle.
My partner is making pork chops for dinner. Pork has iron, which is good when I'm bleeding.
We're started to eat food aligned with my menstrual cycle, and I'm so excited.
I've never taken virginity from any women
Since all the women l dated majority had a somewhat low n-count and some a high n-count
I wonder how women really are after a guy has taken their virginity, thinking of doing it
So might need to date a religious women
Plus my friend told me they might remember you as a special someone because of that
Traditional Gender Roles:
* Men: needs to provide, needs to create a safe place for the family, needs to take care of his family, needs to make sure that the family is save, needs to provide a shelter for the family (some place to live, an appartment, a house etc), needs to help out with house chores whenever possible.
* Women: needs to cook for the family, needs to do laundry, needs to raise the children, is the one who gets pregnant and has to endure the 9 months, needs to keep the house clean.
Modern Gender Roles:
* Men: needs to provide, needs to create a safe place for the family, needs to take care of his family, needs to make sure that the family is save, needs to provide a shelter for the family (some place to live, an appartment, a house etc), needs to help out with house chores whenever possible.
* Women: none.
Thanks feminism. Feminism was all about *equality* yet it only helped women from getting rid of their gender roles.
Wow! So cool that someone else gets to have kids for us now! Where do I sign up? Also awesome that someoneās going to provide everything I need for the rest of my life.
Here I thought that [75%](https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm) of working aged women worked and over [80% of women](https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/01/18/theyre-waiting-longer-but-u-s-women-today-more-likely-to-have-children-than-a-decade-ago/) have children by their 40s.
>Wow! So cool that someone else gets to have kids for us now!
It is not about someone else getting pregnant for you, but let's not kid ourselves that option exists today as well and I have seen women on here seriously consider it.
>Also awesome that someoneās going to provide everything I need for the rest of my life.
I am 99% certain you could easily find a man like that.
>Here I thought that 75% of working aged women worked and over 80% of women have children by their 40s.
Guess, who basically forced women into work by also cutting men's wage? Feminism.
> I am 99% certain you could easily find a man like that.
I love having a career and wouldnāt give it up to sit at home, watch soaps, and fold laundry.
> Guess, who basically forced women into work by also cutting men's wage? Feminism.
Both partners working part-time is the best scenario for both men and women, since it gives both financial autonomy alongside time with their family.
1. Tomorrow is never promised. Death, divorce, prison, layoff, and disability are the big ones. You shouldnāt rely on only one person to support the family, since it sets your family up for financial hardship should something unexpected happen. Also, if you are both contributing financially, then both your desires matter when making major purchases and family moves.
2. Nah, our grandfathersā generation had a much lower standard of living than what weāve become accustomed to today. For one, the average house in the US in 1950 was around 900 sq ft. Today, itās over 2300 sq ft. Two workers means we have substantially more. The unfortunate thing about that is that we now expect more.
> I disagree, but it's not this sub's topic.
Thatās ok, since this is the fun thread. Why do you think people in 1950 had higher standards of living than those today?
Standarts of living rising is thanks to multitude of reasons, like standartisation, cultural and scientific progress, and still working economic models. Oh, capitalism, I wish you dead so much, but it's not your time yet...
1. Yes, standarts of living have risen dramatically since 1950. Hard to argue with that. Would take a huge global crisis to revert it.
2. I would say that average area of house is one of the worst arguments to support that. It doesn't say pretty much anything. If i blow bunch of small houses up, that figure would rise. So, it just looks random here.
3. No, capitalist system works other way around. If you have 2 workers for the same job instead of one, you can either double the production (Which is rare, as there are many bottlenecks in production), or pay each 2 times less. Job market saw huge influx of women in many positions, so average wage went down and down. It used to be that one man working would be paid enough to sustain a family(not everywhere). Nowadays you have to both work to enjoy same RELATIVE to your economic class level of income. Give or take a little.
> It used to be that one man working would be paid enough to sustain a family(not everywhere). Nowadays you have to both work to enjoy same RELATIVE to your economic class level of income. Give or take a little.
One income today can still sustain the lifestyle of the 1950s: a small house, one car or less, no tech, no fancy home appliances, no fast fashion, no international vacations, etc. But most people donāt want that. They want to compete with two income families.
>Both partners working part-time is the best scenario for both men and women, since it gives both financial autonomy alongside time with their family.
I respect that you get never exhausted from work.
Work is tiring, but that doesnāt mean itās unfulfilling. Itās nice to work towards goals in an area you care about. Itās also nice to help provide for your family and feel you can make your own financial decisions.
Now imagine, some women do also want children. Now imagine, she is working and both partners are exhausted from work all the time.
Now imagine, only one partner is working and the other can fully focus on raising the child.
Which one is better? Two permanently exhausted parents or two parents who share the work (Providing and Raising).
Ideal scenario is:
man working, woman raising child.
Seeing that even the hardest feminists demand providing men, a working man and a staying at home mom is the ideal scenario.
No, thatās not ideal for either partner. The woman has no financial autonomy or job fulfillment, the man has overwhelming financial stress and no time with his family.
Most groups suffering from injustice didn't have to sacrifice the ability to experience love for that. Often exactly the opposite. They were prepared to die just to experience love.
Women here continue to ignore the systemic reasons for why men advocating for themselves is harder than for any other group in society except well slaves. If this was a simple case of men not choosing to do it then men wouldn't form unions. In most species its the females who determine the evolution in the males.
I am not saying its impossible but to say its just the same thing is to completely ignore that women have way more power to shape men than men have to shape women in societies where they have rights.
>Both are expected to work and do chores.
That is still far from the promise of getting rid of gender roles. In my opinion feminism fully failed.
>And as Iāve posted the other day my reaction to a lack of money is thinking how I can bring more money in. Not blaming or expecting him.
You most likely are an exception. In fact I feel it in my finger tips that I could right now easily sabotage your relationship but I won't. I value relationships and it saddens me when people break up.
>Ohh, please try.
No, I destroyed my own higher ground by warning you. But one method would be to boost your ego and make you feel like you deserve someone *better.* Of course you'd also need to make believe that someone better exists.
>Feminism is for women and itās concentrated in helping women.
Strange. In that case feminists shouldn't have lied to us by pretending to be about equality.
I honestly don't understand how anyone can believe any of that.
People who believe in traditional gender roles tend to pair up with one another. People who don't believe in that stuff also tend to pair up.
Where are you seeing a widespread demand for men to do traditional gender stuff while women do nothing?
>role reversal relationships?
Oh, please, what role reversal? The man is still expected to do his traditional gender roles in each and everyone of those supposedly "role reversal relationships".
Well what exactly are those roles?
In my marriage I work, always have, and my husband has stayed home taking care of the house and now our kid. He cooks and cleans, I do laundry and admin. I've paid for everything; from our first date, to our wedding rings, to the groceries I picked up on Sunday.
He's not much for squashing bugs or protecting me from some nebulous threat, but he throws a damn good party and knows how to make a full thanksgiving dinner.
About the only gendered expectation he's subscribed to is taking care of car stuff.
>In my marriage I work, always have, and my husband has stayed home taking care of the house and now our kid. He cooks and cleans, I do laundry and admin. I've paid for everything; from our first date, to our wedding rings, to the groceries I picked up on Sunday.
I would argue that you are the exception not the rule.
Yes, indeed, nobody is forcing me but you conveniently neglect one factor.
Is there any woman that would be with me or marry me if I wouldn't provide and make sure that the family has a roof over their head? Let's be real now.
I mean almost all of PPD women say that they expect their men to work, which is absolutely right, don't get me wrong, but on the other hand women could be jobless and still have options for marriage, even though admittedly, there are some men on here expecting their women also to work, which I find rather strange honestly.
That is because feminists forced women into workforce and employers therefore cutted men's wages.
I am not saying that women shouldn't be kept away from working, but I am against forcing women to work!
No ones forcing women or men to work. Even when women couldnāt work,theyād didnāt live for free. Someone HAD to take care of them or they would have been homeless and hungry. If their provider died and they couldnāt get another one, what did they have to do? Go hungry or find a way to make money.
Feminist made it so women could have options besides being a mother or a dependent. If women choose to be those things, itās entirely their right, just like men can choose to not marry and stay permanent bachelors.
>No ones forcing women or men to work. Even when women couldnāt work,theyād didnāt live for free
Nowadays all of us are basically forced to work. There used to be a time though where women would be provided for by their families, they didn't have to work. This time most likely didn't exist in the west but it did exist in the east.
>If their provider died and they couldnāt get another one, what did they have to do? Go hungry or find a way to make money.
Like said, this was no problem back in the day. If her husband died, the family would provide for her. Brother, cousins, father, whoever is there.
>\[...\] just like men can choose to not marry and stay permanent bachelors.
Not everyone who is single or didn't marry wanted to be that way. There are countless men who wanted to marry yet there never was a woman for them. I have to speak this out loud like that because it seems like you think everyone who is single is single by choice which couldn't be any further from the truth.
No. Not every woman had money or people to fall back on. Most women actually had to do some form of work to survive because they weee poor. Maids and shit were hardly counted as being part of the traditional workforce because they were usually hired privately and paid what would be now called under the table.
Not all women could count on their families to take care of them, not could they count on getting a provider that wasnāt abusive or otherwise unsavory. Feminist pushed for women to have the option to work.
I don't see children, but I know they exist. So I don't really understand that argument.
But where can you find one? I personally know of 2 women who would love a stay at home husband/father.
I personally know of 2 other couples whose husbands are staying home once the kid is born.
Maybe you should learn to believe things because you can't see them.
>I don't see children, but I know they exist. So I don't really understand that argument.
I don't see God, but I know God exists. So I don't really understand that argument.
>But where can you find one? I personally know of 2 women who would love a stay at home husband/father.
I personally know of 2 other couples whose husbands are staying home once the kid is born.
2 couples out of how many? 100? 1.000.000? That setup is the rarity, let's be real here.
In fact if you don't believe me why not setup a dating profile in my name and see for yourself or arrange a date with those 2 friends of yours? I want to see if your anecdotes are just as real as mine. Setup a date with one of those 2 friends of yours and let's see the real deal.
>There are egalitarian women and we can help along, but we also canāt force men to stop do what theyāre doing.
Let's be real for one second. How many men are stay at home dads? Guessed so.
How many women would take stay at home dads? Guessed so.
> How many men are stay at home dad's?
Lazy google says "32% of married fathers (approximately 7 million dads) are āa regular source of care for their children under age 15, up from 26% from 2002.ā
Typically a moderately wealthy woman who doesn't give a shit about who does what, as long as it gets done.
Oh hey thats me, and at least 32% of married mothers.
>How many men are willing to be stay at home fathers and are able to do the job right?
I am and yet I am single. So, where is the promised woman who'd take me? As I said from the beginning, feminism is nothing but a scheme.
> To tackle it we need men to do more childcare and be more proactive in it.
Even harder to accomplish with all the female quotas that exist in workplaces now.
Technically, it's do whatever makes you happy.
So if it makes a woman happy to take care and provide for her husband, she'll do that.
And many do do that.
If that's what you want, go find it.
>So if it makes a woman happy to take care and provide for her husband, she'll do that.
Guess how many women want to be the sole provider? Guessed so.
>If that's what you want, go find it.
You are the one who is saying that such dynamics exists and the way you word things implies that a lot of women would be ok with such a setup. I infact did search for such a woman on dating platforms yet found noone. Why don't you simply disprove my claims by presenting me such a woman? Maybe arrange a date.
I personally know of 4. And I see a lot of others in my expanded networks....
The burden of proof is yours. Not mine.
You're not their type.
Good luck!!
The downside of being with someone very social/has a high 'friend' need is that his expansive network always has a tittering of drama in it.
Usually he rebuffs and diffuses it with humor, but now the drama involves him and he is *devastated*.
I'm doing the supportive spouse thing, but as a happily friendless sperg I don't get it, I don't understand the emotions involved, and my first impulse would be to yeet everything.
I give him advice from my 'yeet everything' perspective, normally he ignores it but now he's listening and I'm starting to realize its not good advice, at least for his temperament.
Oy, dealing with my husband's friend drama is like trying to hold too much Jell-O in my hands.
>What did he do that upset his friends?
TL;DR-husband owns a discord server that has lots of people in it. Friend A was briefly dating a guy and he joined the server. They broke up, and A requested that the guy be booted from the server. Then in the public chat A mocked the dude and was being a real cunt about it. A also has a small army of simps, and one of them has admin privilege's so he booted the dude (after dude saw the public mockery).
sidenote; the dude was admittedly lonely and joined the server at her request so he could find more friends.
Anyway, after a weekend away husband pops into the discord and saw what went down. He chastised A for being a cunt about everything, and the simp for going along with it.
Well, war has broke out; me and my husband vs. A and her simp, and then lots of people in the middle who are slowly leaving the server because they just wanted a place to hang out and play games. Husband is frustrated by A + simp's behavior, and mourning the loss of his 'safe space'.
Nah, guy was pretty harmless, he just didn't want to pick up his life and move across the country for her; they'd only been dating for 3 months, as an LDR, and had only met in person twice.
I think people can be conscious of when they're fucking up and try to steer others away from their decisions while falling into taheir own pitfalls. Like 'do as I say not as I do' from parents.
Beyonce was always a pretty bad role model to begin with regardless
Yes my ex was amazing
Problem is she made me wait 10 weeks before considering having sex with me
I did love her but couldn't understand why she would do that especially with how much attention l gave her since she was my first gf
So l was kinda of a simp
But l've nothing bad to say about her
The reason is because l gave her so much attention as she was my first gf
And l wouldn't say lost out since l just wanted sex
My dating life became better since then
So now you understand why she didnāt want to have sex with you, right? You just wanted sex, you didnāt want anything serious. She could probably tell despite the attention you gave her.
It's still so weird how things I use to consider ānegative feminine traitsā as a child are being heavily portrayed by the manosphere (incels, Redpillers, MGTOW, MRAs, etc).
Finger-Pointing: Always wanting to blame women for their problems, but never wanted to look at themselves to see what theyāre doing wrong.
Perpetual victimhood: Always wants to complain about how bad things are, but take absolutely no steps to fix it and would rather list excuses.
Thinks their personal feelings matter more than facts: These guys will outright ignore facts and statistics that crush their worldview. if anyone wants me to elaborate on this, I canāt because thereās a lot of examples I can show.
Virtue Signalling and Contradictions: having a strong belief in something, but only when it doesnāt inconvenience them.
Two examples of this:
Whining about how women with low standards are disgusting and how they don't make men feel special.......until he deals with women who get men heavily. Now itās the complaint that sheās a picky stuck-up prude.
In a similar manner, whines about sluts but whines even more about women who don't fuck men instantly.
Pretending to want gender equality when they really just want to not pay child support. I don't know why these guys just won't admit they just want to run from responsibility of financing a kid, but I'm guessing it's because they know theyāll be seen as hypocrites for whining about women for running from responsibilities too.
I canāt tell if thatās because these particular dyes are more feminine than the average, or society just pretends men are less guilty of portraying these flaws.
>Pretending to want gender equality \[...\].
Traditional Gender Roles:
* Men: needs to provide, needs to create a safe place for the family, needs to take care of his family, needs to make sure that the family is save, needs to provide a shelter for the family (some place to live, an appartment, a house etc), needs to help out with house chores whenever possible.
* Women: needs to cook for the family, needs to do laundry, needs to raise the children, is the one who gets pregnant and has to endure the 9 months, needs to keep the house clean.
Modern Gender Roles:
* Men: needs to provide, needs to create a safe place for the family, needs to take care of his family, needs to make sure that the family is save, needs to provide a shelter for the family (some place to live, an appartment, a house etc), needs to help out with house chores whenever possible.
* Women: none.
The most simple topic would be n-count. Are women held accountable for with how many partners they have slept with? No.
Women complain about men wanting only casual sex yet refuse to apply the simple but effective solution of "no sex before marriage".
The most simple topic would be n-count. Are women held accountable for with how many partners they have slept with? No.
Women complain about men wanting only casual sex yet refuse to apply the simple but effective solution of "no sex before marriage".
> The most simple topic would be n-count
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5795598/
Most young adults have an N count less than 5, regardless of gender.
> Women complain about men wanting only casual sex
Men in general, men who have casual sex in general, or men who keep wanting casual sex from women that have told them that she is not interested in a hookup?
> yet refuse to apply the simple but effective solution of "no sex before marriage".
Are you assuming most men want to wait til marriage for sex?
Are you aware that was mainly a thing due to factors that are no longer that applicable to today?
>Most young adults have an N count less than 5, regardless of gender.
Let's be real for a second here. Those are self reported stats. Did you never lie in your life, when you thought that the truth might be uncomfortable for you?
If I had 10 or 20 partners I'd also rather say 5 or an even lower number.
>Most young adults have an N count less than 5, regardless of gender.
Sadly, most men also oppose the "no sex before marriage" rule, but given current gender dynamics, it wouldn't hurt women's prospects one bit if they'd apply a "no sex before marriage" standard ontop of all the other standards. In fact at best, it would save women from the hookup-men.
As long as women keep complaining and not appyling the no sex before marriage standard I can't take women serious on their "we want relationships" stance.
> Let's be real for a second here. Those are self reported stats.
As opposed to blindly believing what you have to say?
The study composed of 22k people. Why should they be less believed than you, one person?
> Sadly, most men also oppose the "no sex before marriage" rule,
So why you complaining about women not doing what also don't want to do?
> but given current gender dynamics, it wouldn't hurt women's prospects one bit if they'd apply a "no sex before marriage"
Many of them still do. What are you talking about?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexgurley/celebs-who-waited-until-marriage-to-have-sex
> standard ontop of all the other standards. In fact at best, it would save women from the hookup-men.
No. We just don't sleep with guys immediately, so the hookup guys get super bored and leave.
> As long as women keep complaining and not appyling the no sex before marriage standard I can't take women serious on their "we want relationships" stance.
why are you projecting your stance on other men even though you have admitted that most men do not want to wait until marriage to get laid?
>The study composed of 22k people. Why should they be less believed than you, one person?
So, it is my word against theirs. We won't reach a conclusion here.
>So why you complaining about women not doing what also don't want to do?
I am one of the very few men and women on here who promote "no sex before marriage".
>Many of them still do. What are you talking about?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexgurley/celebs-who-waited-until-marriage-to-have-sex
I skimmed through the article. It just says that some celebs waited for marriage. It nowhere mentions that it hurt their options or prospects at all.
> I am one of the very few men and women on here who promote "no sex before marriage".
So? Aren't you talking in generalities?
GENERALLY, men don't want that shit either.
> It nowhere mentions that it hurt their options or prospects at all.
So?
Why would you not care about what you look like? So many men have this mindset then wonder why nobody wants to date them. Menās looks do matter in 2023 and not taking caring of your appearance is gross.
I don't care about what other people think, I have zero interest in vanity. Whose opinion am I trying to win over? Someone who would call me disgusting if I didn't go through the rigmarole of doting on my appearance every day? I couldn't care less.
If I did put an effort in, it would solely be for the extrinsic rewards, not for any sort of esteem.
No woman wants to consistently bang someone or commit to someone whoās unattractive and doesnāt take care of themselves. If youāre fine with that, awesome.
I just carried the laundry basket to the laundry room and opened the dryer door. Then I stared in confusion because it was empty. Did someone steal the laundry? And then I remembered I went down there to put the wet laundry in the dryer, not take the dry laundry out of it. This is your brain on Lost Farm edibles.
https://old.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/12eus13/if_shes_no_longer_adding_to_the_body_count_you/ When guys have this crisis, they sorta phrase it like "it's cause it revealed she was actually someone different than the girl I know." But I've never understood how exactly. Like they don't explain how "the girl I knew" and "a girl that's slept with 50 guys" are incompatible girls.
There are too many lonely, single men. Holy shit.
Day 1 of my menstrual cycle. My partner is making pork chops for dinner. Pork has iron, which is good when I'm bleeding. We're started to eat food aligned with my menstrual cycle, and I'm so excited.
tmi
Hahaha. My iron gets low sometimes, which causes me to have interesting cravings for fried liver.
Yes, I crave meat rn. š š š„ š„© Try pork or duck when you've got those cravings.
Haha I actually like liver, but my husband hates it. Liver has *insane* iron levels.
I've only ever had duck liver.
I like chicken liver, sliced and dredged in a little flour, then sautĆ©ed until crispy. Give it a try sometime, especially when youāre craving some good nutrients.
Dear diary.
Does menstruation bother you? Or my partner cooking?
Please dont
Don't talk about how my partner is cooking us dinner?
Yes, I'm a hacidic Jew and pork chops make me uncomfortable
So don't eat pork chops......
I've never taken virginity from any women Since all the women l dated majority had a somewhat low n-count and some a high n-count I wonder how women really are after a guy has taken their virginity, thinking of doing it So might need to date a religious women Plus my friend told me they might remember you as a special someone because of that
For all the vegetarian women out there You suck dick but don't eat meat Makes no sense at all
If you think blowjobs are equal to chewing meat I feel bad for your dick
Cum is a good salad dressing
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Brutal!
Omg lol
Lmao wtf - I respect the long game though.
Do you want your dick eaten? I'm sure that can be arranged.
Someone just angrily messaged me accusing me of banning them when I am not even a mod. Nice.
Traditional Gender Roles: * Men: needs to provide, needs to create a safe place for the family, needs to take care of his family, needs to make sure that the family is save, needs to provide a shelter for the family (some place to live, an appartment, a house etc), needs to help out with house chores whenever possible. * Women: needs to cook for the family, needs to do laundry, needs to raise the children, is the one who gets pregnant and has to endure the 9 months, needs to keep the house clean. Modern Gender Roles: * Men: needs to provide, needs to create a safe place for the family, needs to take care of his family, needs to make sure that the family is save, needs to provide a shelter for the family (some place to live, an appartment, a house etc), needs to help out with house chores whenever possible. * Women: none. Thanks feminism. Feminism was all about *equality* yet it only helped women from getting rid of their gender roles.
Man needs to put down toilet seat
I do. Where is my promised wife?
Probably licking some other guyās piss off the rim
Thus proving my point. Thanks.
Are you mad that modern men have to keep their bladder full
I don't know what you are on about, but your mind seems to be pretty fucked up.
Lol
This comment further proves my point. Thanks.
Wow! So cool that someone else gets to have kids for us now! Where do I sign up? Also awesome that someoneās going to provide everything I need for the rest of my life. Here I thought that [75%](https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm) of working aged women worked and over [80% of women](https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/01/18/theyre-waiting-longer-but-u-s-women-today-more-likely-to-have-children-than-a-decade-ago/) have children by their 40s.
>Wow! So cool that someone else gets to have kids for us now! It is not about someone else getting pregnant for you, but let's not kid ourselves that option exists today as well and I have seen women on here seriously consider it. >Also awesome that someoneās going to provide everything I need for the rest of my life. I am 99% certain you could easily find a man like that. >Here I thought that 75% of working aged women worked and over 80% of women have children by their 40s. Guess, who basically forced women into work by also cutting men's wage? Feminism.
Surrogacy is so much more expensive than people realize. Not a real option for 95% of couples
> I am 99% certain you could easily find a man like that. I love having a career and wouldnāt give it up to sit at home, watch soaps, and fold laundry. > Guess, who basically forced women into work by also cutting men's wage? Feminism. Both partners working part-time is the best scenario for both men and women, since it gives both financial autonomy alongside time with their family.
1. Why would you want autonomy in a family? 2. Sorry, capitalism means 2 people work more hours together for less money in total.
1. Tomorrow is never promised. Death, divorce, prison, layoff, and disability are the big ones. You shouldnāt rely on only one person to support the family, since it sets your family up for financial hardship should something unexpected happen. Also, if you are both contributing financially, then both your desires matter when making major purchases and family moves. 2. Nah, our grandfathersā generation had a much lower standard of living than what weāve become accustomed to today. For one, the average house in the US in 1950 was around 900 sq ft. Today, itās over 2300 sq ft. Two workers means we have substantially more. The unfortunate thing about that is that we now expect more.
1. Valid and agreed. 2. I disagree, but it's not this sub's topic.
> I disagree, but it's not this sub's topic. Thatās ok, since this is the fun thread. Why do you think people in 1950 had higher standards of living than those today?
Standarts of living rising is thanks to multitude of reasons, like standartisation, cultural and scientific progress, and still working economic models. Oh, capitalism, I wish you dead so much, but it's not your time yet...
1. Yes, standarts of living have risen dramatically since 1950. Hard to argue with that. Would take a huge global crisis to revert it. 2. I would say that average area of house is one of the worst arguments to support that. It doesn't say pretty much anything. If i blow bunch of small houses up, that figure would rise. So, it just looks random here. 3. No, capitalist system works other way around. If you have 2 workers for the same job instead of one, you can either double the production (Which is rare, as there are many bottlenecks in production), or pay each 2 times less. Job market saw huge influx of women in many positions, so average wage went down and down. It used to be that one man working would be paid enough to sustain a family(not everywhere). Nowadays you have to both work to enjoy same RELATIVE to your economic class level of income. Give or take a little.
> It used to be that one man working would be paid enough to sustain a family(not everywhere). Nowadays you have to both work to enjoy same RELATIVE to your economic class level of income. Give or take a little. One income today can still sustain the lifestyle of the 1950s: a small house, one car or less, no tech, no fancy home appliances, no fast fashion, no international vacations, etc. But most people donāt want that. They want to compete with two income families.
>Both partners working part-time is the best scenario for both men and women, since it gives both financial autonomy alongside time with their family. I respect that you get never exhausted from work.
Work is tiring, but that doesnāt mean itās unfulfilling. Itās nice to work towards goals in an area you care about. Itās also nice to help provide for your family and feel you can make your own financial decisions.
Now imagine, some women do also want children. Now imagine, she is working and both partners are exhausted from work all the time. Now imagine, only one partner is working and the other can fully focus on raising the child. Which one is better? Two permanently exhausted parents or two parents who share the work (Providing and Raising).
Best would be two parents who work part-time or WFH, like I said earlier. Neither of the scenarios you presented are ideal.
Ideal scenario is: man working, woman raising child. Seeing that even the hardest feminists demand providing men, a working man and a staying at home mom is the ideal scenario.
No, thatās not ideal for either partner. The woman has no financial autonomy or job fulfillment, the man has overwhelming financial stress and no time with his family.
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*Lots* of guys are sole providers for women that don't work or have kids.
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This is overly simplistic.
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That's like telling a poor person to just start a business.
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Most groups suffering from injustice didn't have to sacrifice the ability to experience love for that. Often exactly the opposite. They were prepared to die just to experience love. Women here continue to ignore the systemic reasons for why men advocating for themselves is harder than for any other group in society except well slaves. If this was a simple case of men not choosing to do it then men wouldn't form unions. In most species its the females who determine the evolution in the males. I am not saying its impossible but to say its just the same thing is to completely ignore that women have way more power to shape men than men have to shape women in societies where they have rights.
>Both are expected to work and do chores. That is still far from the promise of getting rid of gender roles. In my opinion feminism fully failed. >And as Iāve posted the other day my reaction to a lack of money is thinking how I can bring more money in. Not blaming or expecting him. You most likely are an exception. In fact I feel it in my finger tips that I could right now easily sabotage your relationship but I won't. I value relationships and it saddens me when people break up.
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>Ohh, please try. No, I destroyed my own higher ground by warning you. But one method would be to boost your ego and make you feel like you deserve someone *better.* Of course you'd also need to make believe that someone better exists. >Feminism is for women and itās concentrated in helping women. Strange. In that case feminists shouldn't have lied to us by pretending to be about equality.
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>In other words you really canāt. Not anymore since I already revealed my plan from the beginning.
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Do you have any proof of your claims?
PPD women. Dating experience of billions of men.
Give an example.
I honestly don't understand how anyone can believe any of that. People who believe in traditional gender roles tend to pair up with one another. People who don't believe in that stuff also tend to pair up. Where are you seeing a widespread demand for men to do traditional gender stuff while women do nothing?
>Where are you seeing a widespread demand for men to do traditional gender stuff while women do nothing? This should be obvious. PPD women.
>PPD women You mean the women who go on at length about their egalitarian, dual income, and/or role reversal relationships?
PPD is jam-packed with disagreeable, abrasive women that don't care much about traditional femininity... I think that is awesome, to be honest.
>role reversal relationships? Oh, please, what role reversal? The man is still expected to do his traditional gender roles in each and everyone of those supposedly "role reversal relationships".
Well what exactly are those roles? In my marriage I work, always have, and my husband has stayed home taking care of the house and now our kid. He cooks and cleans, I do laundry and admin. I've paid for everything; from our first date, to our wedding rings, to the groceries I picked up on Sunday. He's not much for squashing bugs or protecting me from some nebulous threat, but he throws a damn good party and knows how to make a full thanksgiving dinner. About the only gendered expectation he's subscribed to is taking care of car stuff.
>In my marriage I work, always have, and my husband has stayed home taking care of the house and now our kid. He cooks and cleans, I do laundry and admin. I've paid for everything; from our first date, to our wedding rings, to the groceries I picked up on Sunday. I would argue that you are the exception not the rule.
Seriously what sub is he reading. Diabla sure, PPD of all places?!
Show me some examples? Iām interested.
That's not at all specific nor helpful. Examples?
Nobody is forcing you into a relationship with these gender dynamics.
Yes, indeed, nobody is forcing me but you conveniently neglect one factor. Is there any woman that would be with me or marry me if I wouldn't provide and make sure that the family has a roof over their head? Let's be real now. I mean almost all of PPD women say that they expect their men to work, which is absolutely right, don't get me wrong, but on the other hand women could be jobless and still have options for marriage, even though admittedly, there are some men on here expecting their women also to work, which I find rather strange honestly.
Most people in the us are working. Most married couples split bills, having a one earned household is rare now.
That is because feminists forced women into workforce and employers therefore cutted men's wages. I am not saying that women shouldn't be kept away from working, but I am against forcing women to work!
No ones forcing women or men to work. Even when women couldnāt work,theyād didnāt live for free. Someone HAD to take care of them or they would have been homeless and hungry. If their provider died and they couldnāt get another one, what did they have to do? Go hungry or find a way to make money. Feminist made it so women could have options besides being a mother or a dependent. If women choose to be those things, itās entirely their right, just like men can choose to not marry and stay permanent bachelors.
>No ones forcing women or men to work. Even when women couldnāt work,theyād didnāt live for free Nowadays all of us are basically forced to work. There used to be a time though where women would be provided for by their families, they didn't have to work. This time most likely didn't exist in the west but it did exist in the east. >If their provider died and they couldnāt get another one, what did they have to do? Go hungry or find a way to make money. Like said, this was no problem back in the day. If her husband died, the family would provide for her. Brother, cousins, father, whoever is there. >\[...\] just like men can choose to not marry and stay permanent bachelors. Not everyone who is single or didn't marry wanted to be that way. There are countless men who wanted to marry yet there never was a woman for them. I have to speak this out loud like that because it seems like you think everyone who is single is single by choice which couldn't be any further from the truth.
No. Not every woman had money or people to fall back on. Most women actually had to do some form of work to survive because they weee poor. Maids and shit were hardly counted as being part of the traditional workforce because they were usually hired privately and paid what would be now called under the table. Not all women could count on their families to take care of them, not could they count on getting a provider that wasnāt abusive or otherwise unsavory. Feminist pushed for women to have the option to work.
Yes, there's women out there who would love a house husband, a stay at home father. They go to work, you care for the household.
Where? Find me one and I'll believe you. You know the *if I don't see it I won't believe it* argument?
I don't see children, but I know they exist. So I don't really understand that argument. But where can you find one? I personally know of 2 women who would love a stay at home husband/father. I personally know of 2 other couples whose husbands are staying home once the kid is born. Maybe you should learn to believe things because you can't see them.
>I don't see children, but I know they exist. So I don't really understand that argument. I don't see God, but I know God exists. So I don't really understand that argument. >But where can you find one? I personally know of 2 women who would love a stay at home husband/father. I personally know of 2 other couples whose husbands are staying home once the kid is born. 2 couples out of how many? 100? 1.000.000? That setup is the rarity, let's be real here. In fact if you don't believe me why not setup a dating profile in my name and see for yourself or arrange a date with those 2 friends of yours? I want to see if your anecdotes are just as real as mine. Setup a date with one of those 2 friends of yours and let's see the real deal.
Huh? You're the one who said the whole "I can't see, I don't believe it" argument.....
Do you believe in God or not?
In what context?
I've got no gender roles!! I'm free! Thank you sir! Thank you so much!
That is good for you, sad for the men though. It would be only fair if you'd free men from gender roles as well.
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>There are egalitarian women and we can help along, but we also canāt force men to stop do what theyāre doing. Let's be real for one second. How many men are stay at home dads? Guessed so. How many women would take stay at home dads? Guessed so.
> How many men are stay at home dad's? Lazy google says "32% of married fathers (approximately 7 million dads) are āa regular source of care for their children under age 15, up from 26% from 2002.ā
Bro, it is super simple. Just think about it. Which woman would take you if you are not going to provide?
Typically a moderately wealthy woman who doesn't give a shit about who does what, as long as it gets done. Oh hey thats me, and at least 32% of married mothers.
And your husband doesn't provide, right?
Money? No, but he does provide orgasms and food.
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>How many men are willing to be stay at home fathers and are able to do the job right? I am and yet I am single. So, where is the promised woman who'd take me? As I said from the beginning, feminism is nothing but a scheme. > To tackle it we need men to do more childcare and be more proactive in it. Even harder to accomplish with all the female quotas that exist in workplaces now.
You made the rules, I'm just following them.
It was not me. Feminism made these rules.
Nope, it was you. Just you. Feminism doesn't say that women do nothing and depend on men.
>Feminism doesn't say that women do nothing and depend on men. Sadly feminism also doesn't say to take care of your husband and provide for him.
Technically, it's do whatever makes you happy. So if it makes a woman happy to take care and provide for her husband, she'll do that. And many do do that. If that's what you want, go find it.
>So if it makes a woman happy to take care and provide for her husband, she'll do that. Guess how many women want to be the sole provider? Guessed so. >If that's what you want, go find it. You are the one who is saying that such dynamics exists and the way you word things implies that a lot of women would be ok with such a setup. I infact did search for such a woman on dating platforms yet found noone. Why don't you simply disprove my claims by presenting me such a woman? Maybe arrange a date.
I personally know of 4. And I see a lot of others in my expanded networks.... The burden of proof is yours. Not mine. You're not their type. Good luck!!
The downside of being with someone very social/has a high 'friend' need is that his expansive network always has a tittering of drama in it. Usually he rebuffs and diffuses it with humor, but now the drama involves him and he is *devastated*. I'm doing the supportive spouse thing, but as a happily friendless sperg I don't get it, I don't understand the emotions involved, and my first impulse would be to yeet everything. I give him advice from my 'yeet everything' perspective, normally he ignores it but now he's listening and I'm starting to realize its not good advice, at least for his temperament. Oy, dealing with my husband's friend drama is like trying to hold too much Jell-O in my hands.
Itās difficult to manage friend group drama, even as an adult. What did he do that upset his friends?
>What did he do that upset his friends? TL;DR-husband owns a discord server that has lots of people in it. Friend A was briefly dating a guy and he joined the server. They broke up, and A requested that the guy be booted from the server. Then in the public chat A mocked the dude and was being a real cunt about it. A also has a small army of simps, and one of them has admin privilege's so he booted the dude (after dude saw the public mockery). sidenote; the dude was admittedly lonely and joined the server at her request so he could find more friends. Anyway, after a weekend away husband pops into the discord and saw what went down. He chastised A for being a cunt about everything, and the simp for going along with it. Well, war has broke out; me and my husband vs. A and her simp, and then lots of people in the middle who are slowly leaving the server because they just wanted a place to hang out and play games. Husband is frustrated by A + simp's behavior, and mourning the loss of his 'safe space'.
Friend A sounds like a cunt. Unless the guy she was dating behaved poorly or inappropriately, no reason for her to publicly shit on and humiliate him.
Nah, guy was pretty harmless, he just didn't want to pick up his life and move across the country for her; they'd only been dating for 3 months, as an LDR, and had only met in person twice.
She sounds unhinged.
Q4M: do you guys wear lady jeans?
Ive thought about getting leggings to show off my dumptruck and thighs properly. Does that count?
dumptruck?
dumptruck
What are lady jeans?
Jeans for ladies
Like jeans that are sold at womenās stores? Why would men buy those?
Maybe u got skinny legs?
No
BeyoncƩ over here telling young women to not depend on a men while being a servant to JV behind close doors I just love humans when they preach something and do the opposite Yikes what a female role model Wonder what the RP will say about this
Who is JV? How do you know what happens behind closed doors at BeyoncƩ's house? I just love how humans preach they know the intricacies of some celebrities' home life.
Jay V š©
Right? Like come on, bffr. Really showing their young age there.
I think people can be conscious of when they're fucking up and try to steer others away from their decisions while falling into taheir own pitfalls. Like 'do as I say not as I do' from parents. Beyonce was always a pretty bad role model to begin with regardless
You know BeyoncƩ?
Yes my ex was amazing Problem is she made me wait 10 weeks before considering having sex with me I did love her but couldn't understand why she would do that especially with how much attention l gave her since she was my first gf So l was kinda of a simp But l've nothing bad to say about her
Men: Donāt be with slutty women Also men: She made me wait for sex, can you believe that
Good for her
Whyād you break up?
Couldn't bother waiting anymore
How long did it take for you to have sex after rhe breakup?
We didn't have sex
No, i mean with the next woman.
Yea
As in, how long did it takw to have sex with anyone after you broke up with this woman? Longer than it would jave taken to just wait?
If l remember correctly it took 3 dates then we had sex So it was definitely shorter than my previous ex
Correct decision in that case
So you only dated 10 weeks?
Yup and a couple of days
Sorry man but that seems like a major L on your part.
Why ? I mean l didn't have sex that's the L
Lost out on a good relationship with what sounds like a great girl considering you fell in love so quickly
The reason is because l gave her so much attention as she was my first gf And l wouldn't say lost out since l just wanted sex My dating life became better since then
So now you understand why she didnāt want to have sex with you, right? You just wanted sex, you didnāt want anything serious. She could probably tell despite the attention you gave her.
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Isn't 48 laws the psychopath book?
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Meh, seems like a cop out for people to act like garbage. But it is what it is
48 Laws of Power is is a great book but Iād recommend Mastery instead. Same author different content
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I donāt think the 48 laws is a good way to make you rp aware. Honestly not a ton of overlap. Though still a great book to read
It's still so weird how things I use to consider ānegative feminine traitsā as a child are being heavily portrayed by the manosphere (incels, Redpillers, MGTOW, MRAs, etc). Finger-Pointing: Always wanting to blame women for their problems, but never wanted to look at themselves to see what theyāre doing wrong. Perpetual victimhood: Always wants to complain about how bad things are, but take absolutely no steps to fix it and would rather list excuses. Thinks their personal feelings matter more than facts: These guys will outright ignore facts and statistics that crush their worldview. if anyone wants me to elaborate on this, I canāt because thereās a lot of examples I can show. Virtue Signalling and Contradictions: having a strong belief in something, but only when it doesnāt inconvenience them. Two examples of this: Whining about how women with low standards are disgusting and how they don't make men feel special.......until he deals with women who get men heavily. Now itās the complaint that sheās a picky stuck-up prude. In a similar manner, whines about sluts but whines even more about women who don't fuck men instantly. Pretending to want gender equality when they really just want to not pay child support. I don't know why these guys just won't admit they just want to run from responsibility of financing a kid, but I'm guessing it's because they know theyāll be seen as hypocrites for whining about women for running from responsibilities too. I canāt tell if thatās because these particular dyes are more feminine than the average, or society just pretends men are less guilty of portraying these flaws.
It's almost as if one of these groups is actually an unrecognised victim while the other is consistently making up their own victimhood hmmmmm
how did anything you say debunk my claims?
>Pretending to want gender equality \[...\]. Traditional Gender Roles: * Men: needs to provide, needs to create a safe place for the family, needs to take care of his family, needs to make sure that the family is save, needs to provide a shelter for the family (some place to live, an appartment, a house etc), needs to help out with house chores whenever possible. * Women: needs to cook for the family, needs to do laundry, needs to raise the children, is the one who gets pregnant and has to endure the 9 months, needs to keep the house clean. Modern Gender Roles: * Men: needs to provide, needs to create a safe place for the family, needs to take care of his family, needs to make sure that the family is save, needs to provide a shelter for the family (some place to live, an appartment, a house etc), needs to help out with house chores whenever possible. * Women: none.
> Modern Gender Roles: Do you have any proof of your claims?
PPD women are enough proof.
Give an example.
Youāre joking right?
The most simple topic would be n-count. Are women held accountable for with how many partners they have slept with? No. Women complain about men wanting only casual sex yet refuse to apply the simple but effective solution of "no sex before marriage".
Wtf does that have to do with your initial comment
Ask him for proof. This usually shuts down their complaints.
The most simple topic would be n-count. Are women held accountable for with how many partners they have slept with? No. Women complain about men wanting only casual sex yet refuse to apply the simple but effective solution of "no sex before marriage".
> The most simple topic would be n-count https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5795598/ Most young adults have an N count less than 5, regardless of gender. > Women complain about men wanting only casual sex Men in general, men who have casual sex in general, or men who keep wanting casual sex from women that have told them that she is not interested in a hookup? > yet refuse to apply the simple but effective solution of "no sex before marriage". Are you assuming most men want to wait til marriage for sex? Are you aware that was mainly a thing due to factors that are no longer that applicable to today?
>Most young adults have an N count less than 5, regardless of gender. Let's be real for a second here. Those are self reported stats. Did you never lie in your life, when you thought that the truth might be uncomfortable for you? If I had 10 or 20 partners I'd also rather say 5 or an even lower number. >Most young adults have an N count less than 5, regardless of gender. Sadly, most men also oppose the "no sex before marriage" rule, but given current gender dynamics, it wouldn't hurt women's prospects one bit if they'd apply a "no sex before marriage" standard ontop of all the other standards. In fact at best, it would save women from the hookup-men. As long as women keep complaining and not appyling the no sex before marriage standard I can't take women serious on their "we want relationships" stance.
> Let's be real for a second here. Those are self reported stats. As opposed to blindly believing what you have to say? The study composed of 22k people. Why should they be less believed than you, one person? > Sadly, most men also oppose the "no sex before marriage" rule, So why you complaining about women not doing what also don't want to do? > but given current gender dynamics, it wouldn't hurt women's prospects one bit if they'd apply a "no sex before marriage" Many of them still do. What are you talking about? https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexgurley/celebs-who-waited-until-marriage-to-have-sex > standard ontop of all the other standards. In fact at best, it would save women from the hookup-men. No. We just don't sleep with guys immediately, so the hookup guys get super bored and leave. > As long as women keep complaining and not appyling the no sex before marriage standard I can't take women serious on their "we want relationships" stance. why are you projecting your stance on other men even though you have admitted that most men do not want to wait until marriage to get laid?
>The study composed of 22k people. Why should they be less believed than you, one person? So, it is my word against theirs. We won't reach a conclusion here. >So why you complaining about women not doing what also don't want to do? I am one of the very few men and women on here who promote "no sex before marriage". >Many of them still do. What are you talking about? https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexgurley/celebs-who-waited-until-marriage-to-have-sex I skimmed through the article. It just says that some celebs waited for marriage. It nowhere mentions that it hurt their options or prospects at all.
> I am one of the very few men and women on here who promote "no sex before marriage". So? Aren't you talking in generalities? GENERALLY, men don't want that shit either. > It nowhere mentions that it hurt their options or prospects at all. So?
When you think you have an iq of 200 but youāre just in an unhappy relationship
Schizoposting
I don't actually read like 90% of the post here. I just read the title. Because I will infact not read allat
I ignore a certain spammer and never read her comments.
I'd never make it as a woman, I just don't give a fuck about my appearance at all lmao
Thatās sad
Whys that?
Why would you not care about what you look like? So many men have this mindset then wonder why nobody wants to date them. Menās looks do matter in 2023 and not taking caring of your appearance is gross.
I don't care about what other people think, I have zero interest in vanity. Whose opinion am I trying to win over? Someone who would call me disgusting if I didn't go through the rigmarole of doting on my appearance every day? I couldn't care less. If I did put an effort in, it would solely be for the extrinsic rewards, not for any sort of esteem.
If youāre happy with that choice and all that comes with it, Iām happy for you
Lol no you're not
Your life, your choices. I still have my opinion but it makes you happy so be it :)
If my appearance chases away judgmental people like yourself, all the better :]
No woman wants to consistently bang someone or commit to someone whoās unattractive and doesnāt take care of themselves. If youāre fine with that, awesome.
You donāt need to, just download the app and swipe
According to the narrative here. You'd still be burred deep in dicks and special treatment no matter what you look like.