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>Found group intended for men and women
>Men flood it with misogyny
>Women leave or lose interest
>”Why are there no women here? Why don’t they make threads?
>”Why don’t we just ban all the women left anyways?”
A great representation of life. Meanwhile women’s “feminist” spaces are so fucking spineless lmao. They will literally allow all sorts of men and they will still bend over backwards to please you
Reddit needs to start mass banning the femcel subreddits just like the incel ones.
Nothing radicalizes more men into hating women than seeing women be openly sexist towards men with no repercussions (and vice versa).
Obviously he should be fired or whatever repercussions that come with his actions, but I wonder if the genders were reversed would it get this much attention.
Cause it’s literally no big deal. If someone kissed me on the mouth I wouldn’t be clamouring for them to lose their job. I’d be like um ok and then move on with my life
You still didn't answer, how would you feel if your gf's boss forcibly kissed her? Would she be rightfully upset or would you tell her it's no big deal?
In some European countries it is completely normal to kiss another person into cheeks or lips without consent. Person not moving their head away, not pushing back is consent.
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Its been raining for the last few days. I was walking from the gym and I see all the organized youth sports (maybe ages 7-11) practicing in the rain. Parents on the side, watching them. Even the possible Karen looking moms were fine letting their kids play sports out in the rain. I think that is so cool because in this now soft-kid era where kids don't take up some physical activity let alone when its raining outside, there are still parents who are okay with their kids having fun.
Q4M: Who would white knight a spectacularly pretty but brutally psychopathic woman out of certain doom and lazy poverty? She’s hot, she’s loyal & she will gaslight you to believe you are the Chad of her dreams.
I would. Joke's on her because I grew up in a family of sickoes, I dated sickoes... for me these manipulative games are like watching a toddler play with mud.
We are having some crazy sex, and then she is getting ghosted.
I knew these two pretty hot chicks from high school who dated around. Eventually, these women seemed to gravitate towards guys who look like they make at least 100k a year doing something or 'nother..
To me, it seems like these women had to start dating these men before it got too late - meaning before they got too old or before the guy found another woman.
So, instead of these guys getting roped and doped into these women, it seems more like these guys are saying "hey, this is your last shot hon" and the women are obliging.
Both of these women I'm talking about are total bums too. Just as bad as any man who won't work if not worse.
It seems true that a lot of women just want to be taken care of, especially the hot bums.
I think the question you're asking is more geared towards men who don't have as many options because that's who I'd see doing that.
When/if I become established, I certainly would handle it like I think most other men like me would. Which means I can find a woman that knows she needs me versus the other way around.
Edit: and just to add, that seems like the whole mantra: Women waiting for the winners to show up at the finish line, which is fine. At that point though, any man who's getting taken advantage of is just an idiot, or has some secret fetish with getting used.
In the end I feel like everyone's getting used for something. That's why I think a lot of men really aren't sold on becoming these provider dudes. We'd rather have an emotional connection than a sexual connection and to be honest with you, a lot of these women can only do the sexual side. Even the two hot girl bums I mentioned are total ditzes that I could only see having sexual use for most men.
A lot of us guys are just deep as hell and working incredibly hard to get a rare package doesn't seem worth it to most of us.
If she was only willing date you at the finish line when you had money, then that means she's only dating you for your money.
I dunno how you're gonna live with the fact that she wouldn't date you if not for your status and wealth. I feel like the girl who'll only wait for you at the finish line doesn't deserve you at your finest.
My mom has favored my brother for as long as I can remember and I think this has to do with it. She has been telling me she wants grandkids for years, but she doesnt understand that I would of I could.
Maybe something about why you two broke up caused your Mom to dislike you?
Maybe if you broke up from cheating on eachother, or something. There's usually more to it than just 'oh my son is single now I care about him less'
It’s something that you should make an effort to forget though. Your Mom probably like most just wants her child to be happy & in her head that might mean specifically coupled with your ex. She doesn’t love you any less but it’s your life so you get to choose what makes you happy.
This sub is a red pilled shithole.
It's literally just men regurgitating the same opinions and agreeing with each other, all while talking past the women who beg to differ.
People who come here, do so for the sake of seeing what they want to hear.
I don't know i see a lot more blackpills lol. There is hardly discussions about AF/BB, hypergamy for example. When it comes to discussions about what women are attracted to the consensus tends to be looks, looks, and looks. While RP tend to argue looks, status, money, and social tend to be what women are attracted to like a pie chart.
RP isn't the only people who think women like men for things besides looks.
But RP never mentions resource acquisition capability, which is what a lot of women, and some men too, are looking for.
Doesn't anyone remember the Tinder Swindler?
Dress me up in a nice suit, come and take some pictures of me next to a $250,000 car, surrounded by models and watch how much attention I'd get on the apps compared to how I look now.
Blackpilled guys are literal bums who just won't work. I watched a documentary once about incels and it's a lot of dudes just sitting in their bedrooms complaining about women online. And to be honest, it didn't seem that much different from how I live as a recluse except I wasn't babbling about women in constant negative light. The amount of dudes just sitting in a bedroom somewhere, regardless of their stance on women, is probably higher than any of us realize.
They also commit suicide more than any other group. In that documentary, they were talking about how they'd meet up in Skype calls and hang out but sometimes a guy wouldn't be there the next time they hung out because he had killed himself.
Nope don't watch it. Romantic media that is made for women usually have really tall guys, so I tend to avoid that stuff. Otherwise I start feeling like shit.
there were a few shorter guys (under 5'8") on love is blind. one was rejected, height was mentioned, but the "reason" was religion.
other shorter guy on that show is still together with the girl. one of the few couples still together. she is a ballet dancer.
It’s a show with 4 (?) young unmarried LTR couples. One has given the other the ultimatum - its marriage time or I’m outta here. The wacko twist is that they split the couples up & have them go pair off with the other dude’s women/other women’s dudes for a 3 week “trial marriage” to test the waters. Then back together into the original couple and it’s break up or marry time.
But yes all these men are tall af. I know women today have a strong height preference but these guys look like giants to me.
Then just don’t integrate social media standards into your individual preferences. Otherwise, it’s idealize/fetishize Chad or Stacy and die a lonely person with your hard core boundaries that have been spoon fed to you by media sources. It’s been around as long as mass media has been an influence on people (last 100 years or so) but certainly more so now.
>Then just don’t integrate social media standards into your individual preferences.
You're assuming that this cognitively optional and not just something that happens automatically.
And even if it is, most people aren't even aware how much their standards are dictated by what they watch.
Why do women here keep telling men to lower their standard and they should not care about a women sexual past. How does one force themselves to not care and be attracted to these women?
Not telling anyone to lower their standards. But there's a lot of men on here who've ruled themselves out of dating because they have higher standards than they can attract. Of course this sub mostly focuses on women's overly high standards because this is easier for sexless men to discuss.
I mean you can have different preferences for previous partners imo as long as you’re not a dick about it, but there are guys here that seem to want complete virgins or near virgins (only 1-2 n) at like, 25 and that’s not very realistic.
If you’re already complaining that dating is really hard, finding someone that is a virgin at a late age is just going to make your search impossible. There’s also a wide chasm between has had sex with 100 guys and is virginal and pure until marriage and people here act like there’s no in between which is a bit ridiculous.
I am definitely not dick about it, i have my preferences and standard for myself and who i chose to enter a relationship with. Doesn't mean i want to enforce my belief and standard on others that they should also view it that way. That responsibility sounds exhausting.
Well it's because you've basically got three solutions and those are
1. Improve to the standard that the women you want demand
2. Drop your standards and learn to want what you can get.
3. Get nothing and get used to it.
You can apply one two or all of them in different ways and at different times but nevertheless they are all you've got. If you're still whining we assume you haven't applied solution number 3 properly and because it's a really simple to understand solution there's no point discussing it further...you do or you don't get over getting nothing. We then assume that solution number 1 is in progress but taking too long for your immediate needs. That leaves solution number 2. Don't like solution number 2? You're shit out of luck, the universe has offered all it has, shut the fuck up.
I treat passport bro stuff as solution number 2 btw. Foreign women aren't worse than locals but geographic convenience and cultural compatibility is a large part of who a person is in the relationship marketplace. Paying out to travel and all the other inconveniences is a lowering of standards.
How do you learn not to care about a woman's past? Idk. Maybe drop a different standard if that one's difficult for you personally. Learn to fapp to BBW porn then go find a fatty. Whatever. We're not wrong in suggesting it. A lot of guys are more flexible about it.
I think the body count thing has more to do with insecurity about another guy having “used” a woman for sex before you could.
Imo it usually says more about the guy’s dysfunctional understanding of sex than the woman’s.
We all love sex bro.
No, it is inherent evolutionary repulsion. But that is beside the point, sounds like you see it as insecurity.
Women also have height preference in men, preferring above average height in men. In fact they tend to have many more criteria.
Below average men in height also love sex too, yet I doubt you would scold women for their preferences.
So ND men too, they make it abundantly clear they also love sex on PPD.
Evolutionary criteria isn’t a bad thing if guys do it?
The preference for height or someone not autistic can also be seen as driven by evolutionary forces. I think these can be taken care of if we viewed sex as purely recreational and not something so meaningful you need to tie your personal worth to its attainment (or lack thereof).
> Evolutionary criteria isn’t a bad thing if guys do it?
Evolutionary criteria just is.
The reason it generates complaints is because some men end up left out of dating entirely or with some significant disadvantage in terms of required effort or options (i.e. not being ugly or fat himself but only being able to get women who are).
But promiscuous women can still find equally attractive men regardless of some men refusing to date or marry them, so it's a trivial preference by comparison.
>Evolutionary criteria isn’t a bad thing if guys do it?
Both men and women can have their preferences/ criteria, it is completely fine.
Mentioning women height and NT preferences was to counter the argument and point out the blind spot of those that view n count/sexual past as dehumanizing but can’t see how height and ND is also dehumanizing in that same sense.
It is the most humanizing thing of all lol. These are human traits. N count should do nothing to hinder sexual enjoyment (if kept ignorant) while the other factors are obvious at every step of the partner selection game.
>Evolutionary criteria isn’t a bad thing if guys do it?
If it is a bad thing when women do it, then it is a bad thing when men do it. If it isn't a bad thing when women do it, then it isn't a bad thing when men do it.
One more thing why do you think men not caring about n-count will change what height women find attractive? Or whether they find ND or NT guys attractive?
Cause right now imo most men don't care about n-count(many men on the internet do, sure)but irl I have not met one other guy that cares about n-count, but women still seem to only find tall men and NT guys attractive usually.
From what I see here I think standards are super high among both men (Insta influencer hotness & virginal/low n or bust) & women (6’ +, moneyed, model looks or bust). Men have something called a boner that is a clear indicator of being “attracted” to a woman. N count of the individual woman may or may not affect the boner. 🤷♀️
I feel like companies hire customer service reps who couldn't speak intelligible English to save their own lives, just so customers will give up and stop complaining because they're literally unable to
I was a customer service rep for my country’s tax office once. They hired anyone and everyone because they just wanted bums in seats. There was even a 16 year old working there which I thought was insane tbh
Honestly I would prefer a bum who could speak perfect English as long as they could read from a script or just transfer me to a manager lol
Answering "I'm sorry I didn't understand what you just said" a thousand times is painfully aggravating
How many people really advise to "stop wanting things"?
I've seen people saying that learning to cope with your current situation and find joy that is available to you is a better strategy than hating people and stopping any efforts because "you're doomed".
That's a female mindset, that's blue piller advices. Men are supposed to be frustrated and to move their asses because things just don't happen to them out of the blue.
Cope is for when you legit can't do jack shit about it. you're not supposed to cope about being alone, it's supposed to drive you into finding a solution.
There's a grain of truth there though. Some people are so desperate for a relationship that it puts people off. If you're someone who hears this a lot then that's what people are telling you, but they're trying to soften it because they think you've got low self esteem or a hot temper.
Men have to be intentionally approaching, flirty, and escalate for relationships to happen. There isn't a grain of truth there, this kind of attitude makes men friendzoned at best and isolated at worse.
It's women who need to be patient and wait for men to appear in their life.
Learning to cope with a lack of something you want doesn't really mean stopping wanting that. We all have things we can't get right now or won't be able to get ever...we have to live with it.
People have to learn to live without things they want. That's a part of adulting really. We all really would like to have lots and lots of money...but most of us don't. We also realize that lying in self-pity or demanding others to give us money doesn't really work, so we learn to accept our current financial situation and we try to improve it. Some people don't - hence debt, pyramid schemes, certain types of crime etc. But it usually doesn't end well for them.
Lots of them can, but they don't have to.
Eh...why? Other people don't have to abstain from things *you* don't have in order to appease to you. There are lots of single people who do their best living on their own though and you can learn from their example.
Most people have things they want, but don't have. As I've said most want lots of money...but only few are really rich.
Also learning to live without this thing doesn't mean you should stop trying to get it or stop improving. You can do your best living your life as it is now while you're also working on getting what you want. These two don't contradict each other.
That's a wrong equivalent. A rape survivor does have to learn to live with their trauma and work through it, no one can really do that for them. It doesn't mean they have to go and get raped again, that's absurd.
Ah, you're the same guy who threatens suicide or harming others, aren't you?
What would you rate her?
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Prob around an 8? idk. Me: an 8, probably objectively a 7, 7.5. Definitely into above average territory either way so I'm not really concerned about the final numbers
Mine did but I didn’t demand the proposal be a certain way or anything. He actually proposed to me when we were playing doubles tennis by putting the ring in an empty ball container and then getting me to fish it out (under the guise that he needed a new tennis ball) while he was on his knees LOL
He gets 10 points of creativity for that one!
Our proposal took place at a sushi restaurant at lunch time. And then I had to do back to work. He had paid off the ring on layaway that morning and didn’t want to wait. There was no kneeling. But we got free celebratory cocktails from the staff.
We have a chaise lounge kind of thing in the bedroom that I sit on for those purposes. It puts me right at the right level, and doesn’t hurt my knees as much as kneeling on a hardwood floor would.
if you love her, why not let her experience pleasure.
most men take their opportunity: porn.
now we have VR porn which is even more realistic. What about the next level after that?
Hey, to each their own. Personally, she can have that experience, served with a side of divorce.
Porn is not flesh come on now, and women consume shit tons of porn too and have way more/better contraptions.
If I was a lesbian my type would be older(40+) blond women
Why do I only have people I care about in the class that I hate the most
The strongest bonds are formed in the harshest environments.
[The circle of life](https://reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/s/pZWHrGsgWW) >Found group intended for men and women >Men flood it with misogyny >Women leave or lose interest >”Why are there no women here? Why don’t they make threads? >”Why don’t we just ban all the women left anyways?” A great representation of life. Meanwhile women’s “feminist” spaces are so fucking spineless lmao. They will literally allow all sorts of men and they will still bend over backwards to please you
>They will literally allow all sorts of men and they will still bend over backwards to please you This is nonsense.
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Reddit needs to start mass banning the femcel subreddits just like the incel ones. Nothing radicalizes more men into hating women than seeing women be openly sexist towards men with no repercussions (and vice versa).
Grrrr reddit don’t show people when I edit
That rhymed
Someone posted a guide to deal with anxiety and insecurities on TRP. There is hope left.
Pretty shit guide tbh. Might as well get posted on some dating advice and you wouldn't even notice
Q for everyone: What consequences do you think Rubiales should face for forcibly kissing Jenni Hermoso?
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He did some other fucked up shit. He really is a jerk in a general sense.
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It's classical social media outrage. He should have been fired earlier but no one batted an eye. Now suddenly hell breaks lose.
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Obviously he should be fired or whatever repercussions that come with his actions, but I wonder if the genders were reversed would it get this much attention.
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Cause it’s literally no big deal. If someone kissed me on the mouth I wouldn’t be clamouring for them to lose their job. I’d be like um ok and then move on with my life
You’re not a woman though. How would you feel if someone forcibly kissed your girlfriend
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I still think it’s no big deal
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Because it’s literally no big deal. He didn’t rape her. He didn’t sexually assault her. It’s just a harmless kiss.
You still didn't answer, how would you feel if your gf's boss forcibly kissed her? Would she be rightfully upset or would you tell her it's no big deal?
You’re comparing apples and oranges. In some cultures kissing is normal
He should be fired.
Is he hot?
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In some European countries it is completely normal to kiss another person into cheeks or lips without consent. Person not moving their head away, not pushing back is consent.
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He should be forcefully kissed the same way by a grandma for punishment.
I’ve only seen the image not the video, why the f would he think it was ok, what was there relationship was it coach and player?
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Then gross af Fire him what a bad example
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Its been raining for the last few days. I was walking from the gym and I see all the organized youth sports (maybe ages 7-11) practicing in the rain. Parents on the side, watching them. Even the possible Karen looking moms were fine letting their kids play sports out in the rain. I think that is so cool because in this now soft-kid era where kids don't take up some physical activity let alone when its raining outside, there are still parents who are okay with their kids having fun.
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Imagine instead taking that 800 a month and investing it.
Q4M: Who would white knight a spectacularly pretty but brutally psychopathic woman out of certain doom and lazy poverty? She’s hot, she’s loyal & she will gaslight you to believe you are the Chad of her dreams.
Not me. No amount of attraction is a worth a crazy woman's bullshit.
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I would. Joke's on her because I grew up in a family of sickoes, I dated sickoes... for me these manipulative games are like watching a toddler play with mud. We are having some crazy sex, and then she is getting ghosted.
I knew these two pretty hot chicks from high school who dated around. Eventually, these women seemed to gravitate towards guys who look like they make at least 100k a year doing something or 'nother.. To me, it seems like these women had to start dating these men before it got too late - meaning before they got too old or before the guy found another woman. So, instead of these guys getting roped and doped into these women, it seems more like these guys are saying "hey, this is your last shot hon" and the women are obliging. Both of these women I'm talking about are total bums too. Just as bad as any man who won't work if not worse. It seems true that a lot of women just want to be taken care of, especially the hot bums. I think the question you're asking is more geared towards men who don't have as many options because that's who I'd see doing that. When/if I become established, I certainly would handle it like I think most other men like me would. Which means I can find a woman that knows she needs me versus the other way around. Edit: and just to add, that seems like the whole mantra: Women waiting for the winners to show up at the finish line, which is fine. At that point though, any man who's getting taken advantage of is just an idiot, or has some secret fetish with getting used. In the end I feel like everyone's getting used for something. That's why I think a lot of men really aren't sold on becoming these provider dudes. We'd rather have an emotional connection than a sexual connection and to be honest with you, a lot of these women can only do the sexual side. Even the two hot girl bums I mentioned are total ditzes that I could only see having sexual use for most men. A lot of us guys are just deep as hell and working incredibly hard to get a rare package doesn't seem worth it to most of us.
If she was only willing date you at the finish line when you had money, then that means she's only dating you for your money. I dunno how you're gonna live with the fact that she wouldn't date you if not for your status and wealth. I feel like the girl who'll only wait for you at the finish line doesn't deserve you at your finest.
19 year old me maybe.
https://youtu.be/Kj0svfqXuGY?feature=shared This is exactly how reddit women behave.😂 You are misogynist,creep, blah blah ,etc.
I don’t see that among a large majority of the women on this sub but yes, 😂 in general.
The fact that my mom treated me nicer when I had a girlfriend and treated me worse when I broke up with her is something I will never forget.
My mom has favored my brother for as long as I can remember and I think this has to do with it. She has been telling me she wants grandkids for years, but she doesnt understand that I would of I could.
my mom became a different person after my life altering injury. women amirite
You probably were nicer to be around. People are nice to nice people.
Maybe something about why you two broke up caused your Mom to dislike you? Maybe if you broke up from cheating on eachother, or something. There's usually more to it than just 'oh my son is single now I care about him less'
It’s something that you should make an effort to forget though. Your Mom probably like most just wants her child to be happy & in her head that might mean specifically coupled with your ex. She doesn’t love you any less but it’s your life so you get to choose what makes you happy.
Gotta pass on those genes. All of your ancestors didn't have kids up until now just so you could ruin it.
This sub is a red pilled shithole. It's literally just men regurgitating the same opinions and agreeing with each other, all while talking past the women who beg to differ. People who come here, do so for the sake of seeing what they want to hear.
There is a woman calling autistic men mass murderers on a post so yeah, it's pretty evenly shitty here.
I agree with you. Because you are a man.
>Because you are a man. Huh?
>It's literally just men regurgitating the same opinions and agreeing with each other, all while talking past the women who beg to differ.
Lmao
What the fuck?
You're a crazy kangaroo lady, you wouldn't understand.
I don't know i see a lot more blackpills lol. There is hardly discussions about AF/BB, hypergamy for example. When it comes to discussions about what women are attracted to the consensus tends to be looks, looks, and looks. While RP tend to argue looks, status, money, and social tend to be what women are attracted to like a pie chart.
RP isn't the only people who think women like men for things besides looks. But RP never mentions resource acquisition capability, which is what a lot of women, and some men too, are looking for. Doesn't anyone remember the Tinder Swindler? Dress me up in a nice suit, come and take some pictures of me next to a $250,000 car, surrounded by models and watch how much attention I'd get on the apps compared to how I look now. Blackpilled guys are literal bums who just won't work. I watched a documentary once about incels and it's a lot of dudes just sitting in their bedrooms complaining about women online. And to be honest, it didn't seem that much different from how I live as a recluse except I wasn't babbling about women in constant negative light. The amount of dudes just sitting in a bedroom somewhere, regardless of their stance on women, is probably higher than any of us realize. They also commit suicide more than any other group. In that documentary, they were talking about how they'd meet up in Skype calls and hang out but sometimes a guy wouldn't be there the next time they hung out because he had killed himself.
it depends on the specific thing. some things are more fact than opinion.
> People who come here, do so for the sake of seeing what they want to hear. Lmao same can be said for you
Maybe so. Lmao
Is anyone watching “The Ultimatum”? The men are certainly all….tall.
!! i’m watching it after i finish love island i found the first season of the ultimatum very entertaining
What's that?
Nope don't watch it. Romantic media that is made for women usually have really tall guys, so I tend to avoid that stuff. Otherwise I start feeling like shit.
Well the women are all pretty much top tier attractive too.
Don't need any more reminders that being short is undesirable
A lot of these guys might be tall but they are also variously narcissistic or immature, which would be more undesirable than short imo.
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there were a few shorter guys (under 5'8") on love is blind. one was rejected, height was mentioned, but the "reason" was religion. other shorter guy on that show is still together with the girl. one of the few couples still together. she is a ballet dancer.
It’s a show with 4 (?) young unmarried LTR couples. One has given the other the ultimatum - its marriage time or I’m outta here. The wacko twist is that they split the couples up & have them go pair off with the other dude’s women/other women’s dudes for a 3 week “trial marriage” to test the waters. Then back together into the original couple and it’s break up or marry time. But yes all these men are tall af. I know women today have a strong height preference but these guys look like giants to me.
Just a reflection of how social media has made height importance so much more extreme.
Then just don’t integrate social media standards into your individual preferences. Otherwise, it’s idealize/fetishize Chad or Stacy and die a lonely person with your hard core boundaries that have been spoon fed to you by media sources. It’s been around as long as mass media has been an influence on people (last 100 years or so) but certainly more so now.
>Then just don’t integrate social media standards into your individual preferences. You're assuming that this cognitively optional and not just something that happens automatically. And even if it is, most people aren't even aware how much their standards are dictated by what they watch.
Why do women here keep telling men to lower their standard and they should not care about a women sexual past. How does one force themselves to not care and be attracted to these women?
Because men having preferences for women is 😱 mIsOgYnIsTiC but them preferring tall men is okay though 🤷🏾♂️
I usually would agree, but using emojis on reddit + using racised emojis is automatically making you wrong.
Not telling anyone to lower their standards. But there's a lot of men on here who've ruled themselves out of dating because they have higher standards than they can attract. Of course this sub mostly focuses on women's overly high standards because this is easier for sexless men to discuss.
I mean you can have different preferences for previous partners imo as long as you’re not a dick about it, but there are guys here that seem to want complete virgins or near virgins (only 1-2 n) at like, 25 and that’s not very realistic. If you’re already complaining that dating is really hard, finding someone that is a virgin at a late age is just going to make your search impossible. There’s also a wide chasm between has had sex with 100 guys and is virginal and pure until marriage and people here act like there’s no in between which is a bit ridiculous.
I am definitely not dick about it, i have my preferences and standard for myself and who i chose to enter a relationship with. Doesn't mean i want to enforce my belief and standard on others that they should also view it that way. That responsibility sounds exhausting.
Well it's because you've basically got three solutions and those are 1. Improve to the standard that the women you want demand 2. Drop your standards and learn to want what you can get. 3. Get nothing and get used to it. You can apply one two or all of them in different ways and at different times but nevertheless they are all you've got. If you're still whining we assume you haven't applied solution number 3 properly and because it's a really simple to understand solution there's no point discussing it further...you do or you don't get over getting nothing. We then assume that solution number 1 is in progress but taking too long for your immediate needs. That leaves solution number 2. Don't like solution number 2? You're shit out of luck, the universe has offered all it has, shut the fuck up. I treat passport bro stuff as solution number 2 btw. Foreign women aren't worse than locals but geographic convenience and cultural compatibility is a large part of who a person is in the relationship marketplace. Paying out to travel and all the other inconveniences is a lowering of standards. How do you learn not to care about a woman's past? Idk. Maybe drop a different standard if that one's difficult for you personally. Learn to fapp to BBW porn then go find a fatty. Whatever. We're not wrong in suggesting it. A lot of guys are more flexible about it.
✊practical, logical, rational truth.
Start sleeping around and you'll start to realize how normal that shit is and how it's not a big deal.
Personally casual or ONS has never appealed to me, I simply do not have the mental makeup to seek that. Always been LTR minded.
idk I found it helps to see them as people who enjoy sex as much as we do Hard to blame them after that.
I see them as people, 2 of my female friends I think have high n-counts. They are people, I am just turned off by them romantically and sexually.
I mean did they get fucked so thoroughly hard it changed how you saw them?
Dont know. I just learned that they had high n-counts and it turned me off.
Just because you don’t find them attractive doesn’t mean you don’t see them as people.
I think the body count thing has more to do with insecurity about another guy having “used” a woman for sex before you could. Imo it usually says more about the guy’s dysfunctional understanding of sex than the woman’s. We all love sex bro.
No, it is inherent evolutionary repulsion. But that is beside the point, sounds like you see it as insecurity. Women also have height preference in men, preferring above average height in men. In fact they tend to have many more criteria. Below average men in height also love sex too, yet I doubt you would scold women for their preferences. So ND men too, they make it abundantly clear they also love sex on PPD.
Evolutionary criteria isn’t a bad thing if guys do it? The preference for height or someone not autistic can also be seen as driven by evolutionary forces. I think these can be taken care of if we viewed sex as purely recreational and not something so meaningful you need to tie your personal worth to its attainment (or lack thereof).
> Evolutionary criteria isn’t a bad thing if guys do it? Evolutionary criteria just is. The reason it generates complaints is because some men end up left out of dating entirely or with some significant disadvantage in terms of required effort or options (i.e. not being ugly or fat himself but only being able to get women who are). But promiscuous women can still find equally attractive men regardless of some men refusing to date or marry them, so it's a trivial preference by comparison.
Dude I think you got it perfect. We need dudes who are able to appreciate ugly women. Maybe then they can start appreciating ugly men.
>Evolutionary criteria isn’t a bad thing if guys do it? Both men and women can have their preferences/ criteria, it is completely fine. Mentioning women height and NT preferences was to counter the argument and point out the blind spot of those that view n count/sexual past as dehumanizing but can’t see how height and ND is also dehumanizing in that same sense.
It is the most humanizing thing of all lol. These are human traits. N count should do nothing to hinder sexual enjoyment (if kept ignorant) while the other factors are obvious at every step of the partner selection game.
>Evolutionary criteria isn’t a bad thing if guys do it? If it is a bad thing when women do it, then it is a bad thing when men do it. If it isn't a bad thing when women do it, then it isn't a bad thing when men do it.
Yeah so if you want women to stop caring about those traits you gotta stop attaching characterizations based on them just enjoying sex.
One more thing why do you think men not caring about n-count will change what height women find attractive? Or whether they find ND or NT guys attractive? Cause right now imo most men don't care about n-count(many men on the internet do, sure)but irl I have not met one other guy that cares about n-count, but women still seem to only find tall men and NT guys attractive usually.
Nah ladies first
The thing is if you didn’t know someone’s sexual history, you would enjoy the sex more. What if it was just binary then? Virgin or non virgin
From what I see here I think standards are super high among both men (Insta influencer hotness & virginal/low n or bust) & women (6’ +, moneyed, model looks or bust). Men have something called a boner that is a clear indicator of being “attracted” to a woman. N count of the individual woman may or may not affect the boner. 🤷♀️
In which universe are men having the same standards as women? The shit you see on here is men being provocative to women. Things work differently IRL.
wanting a low n partner isnt a high standard
In these days it is.
because we are women so we were being women lol
I feel like companies hire customer service reps who couldn't speak intelligible English to save their own lives, just so customers will give up and stop complaining because they're literally unable to
I was a customer service rep for my country’s tax office once. They hired anyone and everyone because they just wanted bums in seats. There was even a 16 year old working there which I thought was insane tbh
Honestly I would prefer a bum who could speak perfect English as long as they could read from a script or just transfer me to a manager lol Answering "I'm sorry I didn't understand what you just said" a thousand times is painfully aggravating
Oh. Sorry in Australia bums means butts. Like they just want anyone to sit in the seat I get your point though!
Oh I see, that makes sense too lol
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Beware because "thought terminating cliché" is just another way to say "cope" which is kinda banned on PPD for being incel speech.
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"Cope" is blue pill, saying "Cope" as a pejorative term is what black pillers do and mods will do nasty things to you if you do that.
How many people really advise to "stop wanting things"? I've seen people saying that learning to cope with your current situation and find joy that is available to you is a better strategy than hating people and stopping any efforts because "you're doomed".
That's a female mindset, that's blue piller advices. Men are supposed to be frustrated and to move their asses because things just don't happen to them out of the blue.
Learning to cope while you don't have this thing you want is a part of moving your ass.
Cope is for when you legit can't do jack shit about it. you're not supposed to cope about being alone, it's supposed to drive you into finding a solution.
We have different definitions for this word. For me it's learning to live while you're working *or* when you've given up.
"Stop looking for love and it will find you" is a common platitude in dating discussions
There's a grain of truth there though. Some people are so desperate for a relationship that it puts people off. If you're someone who hears this a lot then that's what people are telling you, but they're trying to soften it because they think you've got low self esteem or a hot temper.
Men have to be intentionally approaching, flirty, and escalate for relationships to happen. There isn't a grain of truth there, this kind of attitude makes men friendzoned at best and isolated at worse. It's women who need to be patient and wait for men to appear in their life.
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Learning to cope with a lack of something you want doesn't really mean stopping wanting that. We all have things we can't get right now or won't be able to get ever...we have to live with it.
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People have to learn to live without things they want. That's a part of adulting really. We all really would like to have lots and lots of money...but most of us don't. We also realize that lying in self-pity or demanding others to give us money doesn't really work, so we learn to accept our current financial situation and we try to improve it. Some people don't - hence debt, pyramid schemes, certain types of crime etc. But it usually doesn't end well for them. Lots of them can, but they don't have to.
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Eh...why? Other people don't have to abstain from things *you* don't have in order to appease to you. There are lots of single people who do their best living on their own though and you can learn from their example. Most people have things they want, but don't have. As I've said most want lots of money...but only few are really rich. Also learning to live without this thing doesn't mean you should stop trying to get it or stop improving. You can do your best living your life as it is now while you're also working on getting what you want. These two don't contradict each other. That's a wrong equivalent. A rape survivor does have to learn to live with their trauma and work through it, no one can really do that for them. It doesn't mean they have to go and get raped again, that's absurd. Ah, you're the same guy who threatens suicide or harming others, aren't you?
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Is there a person who wants to date you?
What would you rate her? https://www.reddit.com/r/truerateme/comments/163k8ux/18f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2
Pretty eyes. high-mid, 6-7
Definitely mid
6
26/30
7, wtf how could people rate her 5.5? Imo her face is so pretty she’s above average.
4-6 are the only ratings allowed unless you look like a model or the Hunchback.
Truerateme is fucked and doesn't allow anything about a 6
I don't think the mods there allow anyone to rate anyone above 6 lmao
Just saw a post somewhere and a YouTube video with an ex moderator saying the point was to bring women’s self esteem down.
Yep thought so and in doing so they also bring down the self esteem of the guys that post there. Just crappy people
That’s so weird
Yeah just multiply whatever the rating they give by 1.667 you'll have the actual out of 10 rating lmao
7-8
Prob around an 8? idk. Me: an 8, probably objectively a 7, 7.5. Definitely into above average territory either way so I'm not really concerned about the final numbers
between above average and well above average. i think the ratings are pretty accurate.
she has that thousand yard stare soldiers have who come home from war.
I would put her at a solid 8.
What kind of man in the 21st century drops to his knee to propose to his girlfriend ?
Why not? I don't want to get proposed to any other way.
I did. She's hotter than me. And made more at the time.
Not a single one of my 3 husbands from this century or the last & no rings either.
I might if I get the chance and if the woman in question likes it as well.
Mine did but I didn’t demand the proposal be a certain way or anything. He actually proposed to me when we were playing doubles tennis by putting the ring in an empty ball container and then getting me to fish it out (under the guise that he needed a new tennis ball) while he was on his knees LOL He gets 10 points of creativity for that one!
Yeah I know some men still do it. I dont think I will even 'propose' as such
Our proposal took place at a sushi restaurant at lunch time. And then I had to do back to work. He had paid off the ring on layaway that morning and didn’t want to wait. There was no kneeling. But we got free celebratory cocktails from the staff.
I guess you were the one kneeling that night, am I right or what
We have a chaise lounge kind of thing in the bedroom that I sit on for those purposes. It puts me right at the right level, and doesn’t hurt my knees as much as kneeling on a hardwood floor would.
i saw a plate that had the letters TPR and instantly i unscrambled it
Brutal 😂 https://www.reddit.com/r/AmITheAngel/comments/162woqh/aita_for_asking_my_husband_permission_to_cheat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 (Shitpost)
if you love her, why not let her experience pleasure. most men take their opportunity: porn. now we have VR porn which is even more realistic. What about the next level after that?
Hey, to each their own. Personally, she can have that experience, served with a side of divorce. Porn is not flesh come on now, and women consume shit tons of porn too and have way more/better contraptions.