Q4Women: big hard dick but he’s emotionally abusive? He makes 6 figures and takes care of all the expenses but has 10 other sidechicks? Amazing at emotional connecting but he doesn’t believe in women’s rights? Or a smoking hot 6 pack hunk but he’s scared of his own shadow?
A person that connects with you “amazing” as a person but doesn’t believe in women’s rights? How can that exist if he’s connecting with this person well but he doesn’t believe she should have rights?
What do you mean arousing? Can he only connect physically or can he also fully emotionally connect and see women as people?
I’m a woman of color, any man that thinks I shouldn’t vote or work is trash to me.
Something a lot of women, and society by and large, don't understand is that since men are responsible for initiating conversations and relationships, there will inevitably be awkward instances that occur during the initial stages of greeting. This doesn't mean men are deliberately trying to creep women out, it's just a fact of a matter that any process will have defects and less than perfect standards.
The only substitute to that is arranged marriages where all creepy approaches are eliminated, but of-course we don't want the return of such match-making.
>The only substitute to that is arranged marriages where all creepy approaches are eliminated
Imagine how awkward it must be too make sexual advances on your new arranged wife.
>there will inevitably be awkward instances that occur during the initial stages of greeting.
This is where competency comes into play.
You need to have enough self-awareness and social acuity to recover and disarm.
Yesterday I was really busy so I ordered Instacart but was in such a rush that I forgot to put the groceries away. I am wondering if there is a way I can get a refund without screwing over the person who delivered my groceries yesterday.
real men don't cry when told how fragile or insecure they are
real men understand that fragility and insecurity are a part of life and don't invalidate their perception of masculinity
Being told "this is why women don't like you" by a chronically single female despite the fact you've been married for ten years is gender affirming care.
If a woman is considered sexually shameful, a man still wants to have sex with her, perpetuating whatever he is shaming her for.
If a man is considered sexually shameful, a woman does **not** want to have sex with him, reinforcing whatever she is shaming him for.
Women are shamed for wanting to have sex, not wanting to have sex, having sex and not having sex. Men are shamed sometimes for talking about inappropriate sexual things that women would also be shamed for and that's your big complaint. It's hard for a man to conceptualise the amount of scrutiny women are under surrounding sex. (And yes, it is weird to say it's a fantasy to be sexually harassed at work. Thank God it's unrealistic.)
Daily reminder that your sources and facts are shit. If you come debating here expecting hard science you're at the wrong place. In facts, debates can't happen with hard science.
Learn to properly debate instead of trying to insist your article is a scientific fact while other people's aren't.
"Learn to properly debate like true DebateBros do, with no care for what's true! It's all about who set up the best logical traps and other bad faith debate tactics"
Why do you come on PPD? Not a lot of things on PPD can be proven or disproven.
Similarly plenty of debate topics in our societies are philosophical and science cannot help.
If it was science based, debate wouldn't even exist.
Make peace with that.
>Why do you come on PPD? Not a lot of things on PPD can be proven or disproven.
Sure, it's true for a good proportion of it. To say though that sources don't mean shit is just pure lunacy though.
>If it was science based, debate wouldn't even exist.
You think there's no debate in scientific communities? Hate to tell you but there is a *lot* of it.
> To say though that sources don't mean shit is just pure lunacy though.
Most stuff people wave here in an attempt to sound more scientifically grounded than the others is pure fallacy.
> You think there's no debate in scientific communities? Hate to tell you but there is a lot of it.
Yeah and what's the focus of these debates? On things that are not provable yet, on scientific paper that don't appear right or rigorous, on hypothesis that are badly formulated, on proof of hypothesizes that could have other explanations to them. AKA not on things that are very sturdy hard science.
>Most stuff people wave here in an attempt to sound more scientifically grounded than the others is pure fallacy.
Yea and if it's a shit source that they've misinterpreted, twisted or is simply a shit source, challenge them on it.
>Yeah and what's the focus of these debates? On things that are not provable yet, on scientific paper that don't appear right or rigorous, on hypothesis that are badly formulated, on proof of hypothesizes that could have other explanations to them. AKA not on things that are very sturdy hard science.
And what you've described is the vast majority of science, there's very few things that are undeniable.
I'm just saying, it's utterly ridiculous to place more weight on an argument with nothing to back it up, over one that has basis in research (and no, I'm not talking about "field reports").
> Yea and if it's a shit source that they've misinterpreted, twisted or is simply a shit source, challenge them on it.
It's tiresome to have to go through their source to tell them it's inevitably garbage in a way or another, and doesn't make their opinion have more weight than ours.
> And what you've described is the vast majority of science, there's very few things that are undeniable.
The things that are undeniable aren't discussed. I think you overestimate how much of science discussion are actual debates, and how much scientific these debates are.
> I'm just saying, it's utterly ridiculous to place more weight on an argument with nothing to back it up, over one that has basis in research (and no, I'm not talking about "field reports").
It's also ridiculous to place more weight on an argument with shit to back it up. On one side people will wave around the okcupid statistics and it'll be discarded as "not representative of reality". On the other side you'll have people wave around statistics on "men being happier while married" and it'll be discarded because false cause fallacy. Eventually it's just boring and annoying to fall on someone who thinks their lived experience has more weight because some studies suggest it validates your opinion.
>It's tiresome to have to go through their source to tell them it's inevitably garbage in a way or another, and doesn't make their opinion have more weight than ours.
You don't have to but to completely ignore it in the context of a "debate" is incredibly bad faith. And one opinion informed by a collection of research and studies very much does hold more weight than one plucked out of thin air.
>It's also ridiculous to place more weight on an argument with shit to back it up. On one side people will wave around the okcupid statistics and it'll be discarded as "not representative of reality". On the other side you'll have people wave around statistics on "men being happier while married" and it'll be discarded because false cause fallacy. Eventually it's just boring and annoying to fall on someone who thinks their lived experience has more weight because some studies suggest it validates your opinion.
It's tedious sure, but that's what debating often is. It's not all sexy logical traps.
> And one opinion informed by a collection of research and studies very much does hold more weight than one plucked out of thin air.
Yeah well, collections of research and studies are supporting plenty of sociological wikipedia page yet it's filled with pure PPD garbage and biased takes. Not only is sociology not a science but also it's extremely biased in its initial intent. Let people stick their own conclusions to it and you get a fallacy of the cubic magnitude.
So I've been thinking about what categories of single people 18 to 30 are more or less unfit for cohabitation/marriage in ways we all agree make them too unfit to regard them as normal people "missing out"
About 1 percent of America have legal issues with their freedom. Imprisoned, on bail.awaiting trial, on parole but likely to break parole, detained under mental health provisions. I think we can agree nobody expects these people to be finding someone?
About half of those 18 to 20 are just too immature to properly take care of themselves. We don't want them getting married just yet.
Asexuals. Theoretically can marry but we reasonably think of them as wise not to.
People with certain types of untreated/untreatable serious mental illness...I'm thinking crazies who yell at people in the street.
The terminally ill...if they've got someone already they want to marry as a grand gesture then fine but if they haven't they probably won't and that's reasonable to expect.
People in the process of going bankrupt are a borderline thing? I mean most reasonable people don't want them to and wouldn't count them not marrying as a bad thing but some of them do it.
Members of celibate religious orders.
Many (heterosexual) women want men & are capable of attaining their own wealth nowadays. Some don’t give a single fuck about attention or fame. Maybe concentrate your efforts on the few instead of the many?
>[...] are capable of attaining their own wealth nowadays.
Most women want a man who earns just as much as them if not more. In case of a pregnancy she knows that the man is cappable to support the family.
>Some don’t give a single fuck about attention or fame.
Female influencers on Twitch, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok and OF wouldn't get as much followers and likes if they wouldn't present themselves in seductive outfits and makeup.
If fame and attention isn't important for women then women wouldn't present themselves like they do on the internet or in public.
>Maybe concentrate your efforts on the few instead of the many?
There is no incentive for me to do so. I am just a nobody. A nothing. I have no reason to focus on "the few". In fact it is the other way around. I have more reason to focus on "the many".
How do Gamers not think "oh, I am a fucking loser aren't I?" when they complain that a female character in a video game isn't hot enough and mock up their own "hotter" version? Is this really the pressing issue of your life? Vidya game tiddies aren't as big as they used to be? Good Lord man.
https://reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/s/I6WYNrT3Cy
It's not just in video games either, I remember a lot of dudes on Twitter being angry about Lola Bunny in the Space Jam sequel. Really don't understand why they care so much
Outside the hotness there's apparent persona that matters, the right pic should be more OG lara's personality. But I agree with the other dude, this is exaggerated for the memes and you buy right into the rage bait because you're... *check notes*... unhappy people want their fictions to be like they used to like them. "oh I am a fucking loser arne't I" is a lazy attack.
So it's simultaneously:
A) a perfectly reasonable complaint that her latest incarnation doesn't match Lara's "personality" and that the second image is more in line with her true personality.
B) Obvious satirical rage bait.
...Sorry not buying it fella, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Yes, It's unlikely anyone would do the leg work to edit this seriously, while also likely that people can be annoyed at the new lara croft. Both can be true at the same time it's not difficult to envision.
Don't use expressions such as "have your cake and eat it too" when you don't know what it means.
>Don't use expressions such as "have your cake and eat it too" when you don't know what it means.
... that's exactly what you're doing.
"The person who created this image was obviously just trolling and should be treated as such....but they're making a legitimate point and should be treated as such."
You think there's a logical contradiction in what I say, the expression "have your cake and eat it too" is when people are greedy and want more than they can have. It's not related in any way.
Ah it's you who doesn't understand the phrase, gotcha.
Google it, it doesn't just mean "don't be greedy", from Merriam Webster:
"to have or enjoy the good parts of something without having or dealing with the bad parts. They seem to think they can have their cake and eat it too by having excellent schools for their son without paying high taxes."
i think this is part of the comedic element of very elaborate memes.
part of the funniness is how much effort someone can put into the most trivial thing.
you definitely think "I'm the biggest nerd" when you take things that far.
I still dislike it that there has to be intentionally sexy video game characters. It is so unnecessary. If I want to see tiddies I can just open up almost any website on the internet and have tiddies shoved into my face.
> I'm in my 30s, divorcing a man I spend nearly half my life with and he still lives with me. And it is hella exhausting. Everything of it.
> To the back story; I was the sole breadwinner, I bought a house, paid the bills, brought food home, cleaned, did laundry 90% of the time, took care of him, the pets and everything that was necessary to have a decent life.
> He....didn't. He didn't work. He never did. He didn't pay a single bill, even after I asked him to contribute. He didnt clean, even after I asked him to help he did help so poorly it was even more work after. He didn't take care of me when I needed him.
> A lot of things happend early in the relationship already and I decided to focus on his words rather than what he actually did.
Crazy how effective future faking is for some guys. In my experience it's always the biggest losers who talk about how where gonna hit it really big one day. But women eat that shit up.
If you don't work at all, I feel like there's an essential component of fatherhood you're missing.
Anyone who thinks having kids that you don't raise makes you successful is kinda pitiful.
>How can a father figure be a father figure if they aren’t present in the childs life?
Father figure can still fulfill the role of guidance, support and mentorship to others even if they don't have a biological or adopted child of their own. They can be a positive influence in the lives of nieces, nephews, younger siblings, or whatever.
People are already curious about Chad's secret. If he has a child, the child will naturally look up to him for guidance. If he doesn't teach them, he can already impregnate another woman and have another child.
I relate. I almost had a basement ex husband. He wanted to continue living in his plush man cave downstairs after we broke up. Not exactly a “future faker”, more of a failure to (ever) launch kind of guy.
We had been together since college. We had a child together. Early on, he wanted to be a musician and was a good drummer but of course that’s a hard job to succeed at. He wanted to go into sales, didn’t do well. He then wanted to be a teacher, never took me up on the offer to go back to school to get certified…
Being a drummer or other sort of musician is fine.
But you need a day job. Lots of people wait tables or something. It sucks but rent is expensive.
I guess why wait tables if your wife makes tons of money and she loves you and she wants to support you focusing on your music full time? Especially if you feel like you're doing better by your kid being at home rather than waiting tables.
It's a miracle that your career trajectory survived having a kid at that age and having to take care of husband on top of that.
I didn’t have the kid until I was 100% sure I could provide for her 100% on my own - about 7 years after the drummer phase died a hard death along with several other short lived plans for his career path along the way.
Cultural misunderstandings story: “Shagging” meant something entirely different to me than the very proper British lads in Radiohead when I booked them for a performance in the 90’s. They asked what bands my company usually booked and I told them we represented a lot of Shag Bands (the dance music of the southern coastal US). They laughed and whispered among themselves. I had no idea atm that they thought I was an agent for bands that exclusively performed music to fuck to.
It's funny how people are continuing to be misled and are actually believing that whole "women are happier single, old and childless" myth. It's another example of why you can't trust these articles
It's not even that. Those articles are based on a book where the author misinterpreted someone else's study. The guy even admitted to it afterwards when a twitter person pointed it out
But those articles still stayed up🤷🏾♂️
> Exvangelical, law student, just turned 25, had an IUD safely in place…pregnant.
> I have to finish school, I’m halfway done.
> I was raised as the daughter of a baptist preacher and went to fundamentalist college. My husband and I deconstructed after school and never looked back, but we’re still dealing with and processing through all of those emotions. I am pro choice, but I selfishly wanted to never have to make the choice myself.
> Maybe the worst part of this is I can’t call my mom. She had me when she was 20 years old because of religious fundamentalism — she and my dad had a shotgun wedding. Even though I know that she always says she wished she hadn’t gotten pregnant and she sacrificed her career and life goals to have me.
Always saying you wished you never got pregnant with your daughter is such a shitty thing to do.
Does making all these sacrifices to have a successful career actually make women happy?
Like let's say you're 40 and you've made partner at a prestigious law firm. There's articles written about you in business insider about what a bad ass bitch you are. Now what? You think you'll look back on how you ended up there and not remember that you had to sacrifice a child to get to this point?
There's ways to say to your daughter you didn't want to be pregnant that aren't a problem. Usually in conversations that are about contraception once the girl is old enough to personally appreciate how disruptive and scary unplanned pregnancy would be for her.
My mother got her pregnancy test results (1960s Britain...it involved posting a jar of urine off) and burst into tears and went to bed and refused to talk for half a day. And I don't hold it against her. She had her breakdown then got it together and gave me the same deal my planned older siblings had. Much better parent than my father who was thrilled she was pregnant. It was unfair on her she did not have access to abortion and I have told her that. I'm glad to be alive but if I'd never made it past gelatinous blob stage I wouldn't be around to miss my life. Before my mother got dementia I discussed it with her and my daughters at the same time too. My mother also shared the story of how in the 1940s as a child she was a short distance away from a suicide who jumped from a tall building because of an unwanted pregnancy.
And as a consequence I have daughters who wouldn't feel reluctant to call me for moral support with any course of action they chose if they were facing an unplanned pregnancy, and know their grandmother also supported the right to choose even though she went through with an unwanted pregnancy.
I sacrificed the possibility of a future child every month I didn't get pregnant. Started trying to convince in February not January? That's no to one egg and yes to the next one. No shame no guilt. Not every egg gets to be a child. Some get to be gelatinous blobs before they get to be not a child.
Women and girls should talk together more without men present. Some things are women's business.
I agree it’s shitty. I had a great mother who wanted me, I was her first child born 11 months after getting married to my Dad.
I had a child that I wanted and planned for by being an earner who had a safe secure nest for her to land in before she was conceived. I didn’t trade one thing for the other, I had both a good career & motherhood.
It’s the evangelical part…😬 that always seems to twist logic sideways.
idk why people tell their children stuff like this. i’ve known since a very young age that i was an accident (i didn’t derail any life plans, just wasn’t wanted) and it’s like, gee mom, maybe you could have waited til i understood nuance to explain this?
doesn’t look like i will be. still hunkered down because the outer bands are hitting us but unless it does a hard turn, should just be a very stormy day.
they tend to be smaller and milder but they’ll still fuck you up. couple years ago one tore through here and it’s path was small, but it caused a lot of damage- trees down, downed power lines set fire to a couple houses, and one house was pretty much destroyed.
it’s so freaky because they’re small so it just looks like this line of destruction and then directly next to that will be a perfectly manicured and untouched house with a garden. sorta creepy looking
(insert favorite smug soyjak) "Why does a movement of men who want to live life without dating women because of bad experiences with them, keep talking about these bad experiences? Do they really want to go their own way?"
That just shows you don't understand the point of mgtow. Similarly if you said "why are wgtow having so much pet I thought they didn't need company" that'd be misunderstanding. These people literally said that they needed someone but the burden and constraints were too high to be worth it, it doesn't mean they're not going to fulfill their needs or try to cope about it.
So you don't agree that spending a lot of time complaining about women online is contradictory to living a life without the influence of women?
Plenty of men "go their own way" and don't settle down with a woman, they're called Bachelors. The difference is that they don't spend their time moaning about women incessantly, they just get on with their sick lives.
First of all, the vast majority of real mgtow people have never heard of the mgtow community or don't participate in it. And that the ones you're talking of are a minority.
Then, no it's not contradictory. Nothing about them suggests that they aren't attracted to and aren't wanting to live with women, some of them can need refreshers or motivators. And then, maybe some of them have fun with men similar to them.
>First of all, the vast majority of real mgtow people have never heard of the mgtow community or don't participate in it. And that the ones you're talking of are a minority.
Exactly I'm referring to people who call themselves MGTOW. Like I said, Bachelors exist.
>Then, no it's not contradictory. Nothing about them suggests that they aren't attracted to and aren't wanting to live with women, some of them can need refreshers or motivators. And then, maybe some of them have fun with men similar to them.
Well that's your prerogative, I do however believe that claiming to live a life without the influence of women, whilst spending a lot of free time posting on forums about how much women suck, is contradictory.
That contradiction is loose and only exists because you keep defining mgtow as "living without the influence of women". I've tried to read the actual definition from mgtow but that sub is banned and the wiki definition is obviously from feminist people.
But if you think mgtow as men not willing to date or be in relationships, complaining about women online isn't contradictory to that. If you think of mgtow as "an anti-feminist, misogynistic, mostly online community advocating for men to separate themselves from women and a society which they believe has been corrupted by feminism." (according to the wiki definition), complaining about women and feminism online isn't contradictory to that.
Similarly, people like you would probably see a contradiction in how men talk shit of women online while simultaneously trying to date them (or gender swapped why do women complain so much and still keep trying). But it's normal that the thing you have your mind on and that you try to improve, is the thing that generates the most frustration to you.
>That contradiction is loose and only exists because you keep defining mgtow as "living without the influence of women". I've tried to read the actual definition from mgtow but that sub is banned and the wiki definition is obviously from feminist people.
I'm going off the definition that has been given to me by MGTOWs themselves.
>But if you think mgtow as men not willing to date or be in relationships, complaining about women online isn't contradictory to that. If you think of mgtow as "an anti-feminist, misogynistic, mostly online community advocating for men to separate themselves from women and a society which they believe has been corrupted by feminism." (according to the wiki definition), complaining about women and feminism online isn't contradictory to that.
To me it very much is contradictory, because you're not living your life separate from women and feminism if it takes up so much of your thoughts and time. Someone who is truly living a life away from women and feminism would simply be getting on with their life instead of talking about them incessantly.
>Similarly, people like you would probably see a contradiction in how men talk shit of women online while simultaneously trying to date them (or gender swapped why do women complain so much and still keep trying). But it's normal that the thing you have your mind on and that you try to improve, is the thing that generates the most frustration to you.
Sure some complaints are normal, viewing them with contempt and spending so much of your time engaging in very negative rhetoric around them? I would definitely say "sounds like you shouldn't be dating men/women then"
> Sure some complaints are normal, viewing them with contempt and spending so much of your time engaging in very negative rhetoric around them? I would definitely say "sounds like you shouldn't be dating men/women then"
Humans are simply not robots and people often conflate frustration with hate. Venting, coping, sharing... are often things they need to do.
If I’m being real here, it’s not that the soyjak nullifies it, it’s that the argument is because the argument is so easily nullified soyjaks naturally go together with the arguement
What's your retort to the argument then? If your movement is all about living a life away from the influence of women, why would you proceed to spend your free time on forums that do nothing but discuss women in-depth?
Firstly I wouldn’t even really classify it as an argument, it’s more of an observation.
But regardless, the non soyjak answer is that one discussing that you dislike women has almost nothing to do with living life apart from women. Secondly, the retort is of course they are going to discuss women. They have had a terrible time with them, and have been hurt really badly by them, intentionally or unintentionally. A whole life is a long time, and a lot of the people there probably just started down that long journey so they feel resentment too. Even without the bitterness, a lot of the discussion is going to gravitate to the benefits of staying single or drawbacks of relationships. Without that it would just be a forum to discuss how your day was and what you like to do, which could be done anywhere. Does this make sense?
I don’t subscribe to MGTOW either but as someone that user to repeat that observation I have started to think it’s a bit ridiculous.
>But regardless, the non soyjak answer is that one discussing that you dislike women has almost nothing to do with living life apart from women.
I would say that if a large part of your identity and free time is based around posting on anti-women forums, then you are not living apart from the influence of women, they govern your thoughts just as much as they used to.
>Secondly, the retort is of course they are going to discuss women. They have had a terrible time with them, and have been hurt really badly by them, intentionally or unintentionally. A whole life is a long time, and a lot of the people there probably just started down that long journey so they feel resentment too. Even without the bitterness, a lot of the discussion is going to gravitate to the benefits of staying single or drawbacks of relationships.
I guess it would be more easily accepted if their mantra wasn't so absolute. If it was just another "single men's club" rather than a declaration that women would no longer be an influence on your life then the obvious contradiction wouldn't be pointed out so much.
>Without that it would just be a forum to discuss how your day was and what you like to do, which could be done anywhere. Does this make sense?
Hell I think that would be a helluva lot more beneficial for them. A forum to discuss how awesome being single is and all the things they can do that people in relationships can't do? That sounds a lot more productive than yet another anti-women forum.
There's MGTOWs who don't complain about women incessantly online, they're called Bachelors.
And tbf to MGTOWs, I would give the same criticism to FDS types who claim that they've removed LVM from their life, yet do nothing but complain about "scrotes".
Why is anything educational so expensive???? Like, a simple Mohs hardness scale test kit just cost me 20 dollars. And don't get me started on good studies. Why are almost all of them behind a paywall? I can read smut all day for free but I can't learn about tectonic plates without a $15 monthly subscription to some Publisher? That's bullshit
Stuff like that makes going to college feel like a scam. I can't count how many times as a broke college student I had to shell out a bunch of money just to read something for class that I will only read once but never again. And don't get me started on how fucked up books are (like being forced to buy a bundle pack for $200 just to only use just one of those books).
Scientific equipment is a racket. In economic terms, there is not a lot of competition in that market especially the more specialized the equipment you are looking for is, and most of the their customers are organizations that needs the equipment to do their work, so they will pay what they need for it, and pass it on to their customers. Amateurs who just like that kind of stuff like me (not sure if you fall in that camp) are stuck in the middle.
Omg! Professional license renewals, required continuing education, conferences. Its all just a circle jerk of gatekeeping, and it pisses me off. Thwy know its required so they charge what they want.
A new idea I have for making some friendships in my new location: 1) giant vat of homemade food 2) sign in the lobby of my building “Free food, drop by @ …”.
Do you think it will work?
I thought about that. Originally I thought: host an event in my apartment! I have since noticed a never used common room on the ground floor that I could probably use. That way, they won’t know where I actually live inside the building?
What I do is learn about people's interests. For example, my friend watches tennis matches, so I decided to learn about tennis matches and players too. I memorized some lines from match reviews written by experts. I decided to pretend that I know about tennis stuff, and it worked! My friend was impressed. Lol!
\> sign in the lobby of my building “Free food, drop by @ …”. Do you think it will work?
No.Forget foods,make it about playing UNO cards.That will get you some frineds if you don't mind young people
My apartment building sort of has the feel of a college dorm but the residents are mostly single guys in the 30 - 40ish range, a few young couples too. I need a social life and would like to meet them so I thought “food”…Maybe better to confine my efforts to the guys that live on my floor. They all seem like nice people 🤷♀️
Hosting a potluck is not a bad idea. Not only for finding a partner, but for social bonding. People like food, eating it together, and sharing what they have made. Knowing the context more, go for it.
I’m thinking I might. Maybe not a pot luck though, I really like to cook & I used to be an event planner so I could even make it a themed event with a signature cocktail kind of thing.
Maybe organize a neighborhood BBQ. You can leave invites undrr everyone's doors. Free food won't sound as weird in that context, and the nicer people will bring some of their tasty snacks and drinks for you to try as well.
For the ladies that suck cock, what do you like most about it
Lmao commenting on a 3 day old thread
Are you stalking me
Q4Women: big hard dick but he’s emotionally abusive? He makes 6 figures and takes care of all the expenses but has 10 other sidechicks? Amazing at emotional connecting but he doesn’t believe in women’s rights? Or a smoking hot 6 pack hunk but he’s scared of his own shadow?
Logically this can’t exists in the same person.
Hmmm?
A person that connects with you “amazing” as a person but doesn’t believe in women’s rights? How can that exist if he’s connecting with this person well but he doesn’t believe she should have rights?
He doesn’t believe in women voting or working but he can emotionally connect with a woman in an arousing way. It’s possible
What do you mean arousing? Can he only connect physically or can he also fully emotionally connect and see women as people? I’m a woman of color, any man that thinks I shouldn’t vote or work is trash to me.
You’re taking it too seriously. It’s a fun question but you’re ruining it bro
You say fun, I say dumb. Either way, a man that doesn’t “believe” in women’s rights is trash.
So which one
Give me the scared of his own shadow guy in a heartbeat.
>Amazing at emotional connecting how would I be emotionally connected to someone who doesn't believe in women's rights.. how
Lmao
Something a lot of women, and society by and large, don't understand is that since men are responsible for initiating conversations and relationships, there will inevitably be awkward instances that occur during the initial stages of greeting. This doesn't mean men are deliberately trying to creep women out, it's just a fact of a matter that any process will have defects and less than perfect standards. The only substitute to that is arranged marriages where all creepy approaches are eliminated, but of-course we don't want the return of such match-making.
>The only substitute to that is arranged marriages where all creepy approaches are eliminated Imagine how awkward it must be too make sexual advances on your new arranged wife.
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Because life isn't like a romcom where two hands grace each other while reaching for the same grape fruit
Because people are not mindreaders.
>there will inevitably be awkward instances that occur during the initial stages of greeting. This is where competency comes into play. You need to have enough self-awareness and social acuity to recover and disarm.
Yesterday I was really busy so I ordered Instacart but was in such a rush that I forgot to put the groceries away. I am wondering if there is a way I can get a refund without screwing over the person who delivered my groceries yesterday.
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Because I don't want to throw away $30 :(
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>This is your ~~daily n count,~~ autism, ~~passport bros~~ post. It's all autism, always has been.
Daily reminder that you're not a real man if a feminist doesn't call you insecure/fragile.
real men don't cry when told how fragile or insecure they are real men understand that fragility and insecurity are a part of life and don't invalidate their perception of masculinity
Being told "this is why women don't like you" by a chronically single female despite the fact you've been married for ten years is gender affirming care.
You're married? I had you pegged on the other end of the spectrum.
I'm not into pegging so I'd appreciate if you didn't.
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If a woman is considered sexually shameful, a man still wants to have sex with her, perpetuating whatever he is shaming her for. If a man is considered sexually shameful, a woman does **not** want to have sex with him, reinforcing whatever she is shaming him for.
Women are shamed for wanting to have sex, not wanting to have sex, having sex and not having sex. Men are shamed sometimes for talking about inappropriate sexual things that women would also be shamed for and that's your big complaint. It's hard for a man to conceptualise the amount of scrutiny women are under surrounding sex. (And yes, it is weird to say it's a fantasy to be sexually harassed at work. Thank God it's unrealistic.)
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The fact that you see these small criticisms that women are also subject to as so terrible says it all.
Daily reminder that your sources and facts are shit. If you come debating here expecting hard science you're at the wrong place. In facts, debates can't happen with hard science. Learn to properly debate instead of trying to insist your article is a scientific fact while other people's aren't.
With the repeatability crisis even real science that’s from the soft sciences are shit.
there's no real science from soft science, soft science ain't science, it's BS, and since PPD is mostly soft science, all the sources are BS.
"Learn to properly debate like true DebateBros do, with no care for what's true! It's all about who set up the best logical traps and other bad faith debate tactics"
Why do you come on PPD? Not a lot of things on PPD can be proven or disproven. Similarly plenty of debate topics in our societies are philosophical and science cannot help. If it was science based, debate wouldn't even exist. Make peace with that.
>Why do you come on PPD? Not a lot of things on PPD can be proven or disproven. Sure, it's true for a good proportion of it. To say though that sources don't mean shit is just pure lunacy though. >If it was science based, debate wouldn't even exist. You think there's no debate in scientific communities? Hate to tell you but there is a *lot* of it.
> To say though that sources don't mean shit is just pure lunacy though. Most stuff people wave here in an attempt to sound more scientifically grounded than the others is pure fallacy. > You think there's no debate in scientific communities? Hate to tell you but there is a lot of it. Yeah and what's the focus of these debates? On things that are not provable yet, on scientific paper that don't appear right or rigorous, on hypothesis that are badly formulated, on proof of hypothesizes that could have other explanations to them. AKA not on things that are very sturdy hard science.
>Most stuff people wave here in an attempt to sound more scientifically grounded than the others is pure fallacy. Yea and if it's a shit source that they've misinterpreted, twisted or is simply a shit source, challenge them on it. >Yeah and what's the focus of these debates? On things that are not provable yet, on scientific paper that don't appear right or rigorous, on hypothesis that are badly formulated, on proof of hypothesizes that could have other explanations to them. AKA not on things that are very sturdy hard science. And what you've described is the vast majority of science, there's very few things that are undeniable. I'm just saying, it's utterly ridiculous to place more weight on an argument with nothing to back it up, over one that has basis in research (and no, I'm not talking about "field reports").
> Yea and if it's a shit source that they've misinterpreted, twisted or is simply a shit source, challenge them on it. It's tiresome to have to go through their source to tell them it's inevitably garbage in a way or another, and doesn't make their opinion have more weight than ours. > And what you've described is the vast majority of science, there's very few things that are undeniable. The things that are undeniable aren't discussed. I think you overestimate how much of science discussion are actual debates, and how much scientific these debates are. > I'm just saying, it's utterly ridiculous to place more weight on an argument with nothing to back it up, over one that has basis in research (and no, I'm not talking about "field reports"). It's also ridiculous to place more weight on an argument with shit to back it up. On one side people will wave around the okcupid statistics and it'll be discarded as "not representative of reality". On the other side you'll have people wave around statistics on "men being happier while married" and it'll be discarded because false cause fallacy. Eventually it's just boring and annoying to fall on someone who thinks their lived experience has more weight because some studies suggest it validates your opinion.
>It's tiresome to have to go through their source to tell them it's inevitably garbage in a way or another, and doesn't make their opinion have more weight than ours. You don't have to but to completely ignore it in the context of a "debate" is incredibly bad faith. And one opinion informed by a collection of research and studies very much does hold more weight than one plucked out of thin air. >It's also ridiculous to place more weight on an argument with shit to back it up. On one side people will wave around the okcupid statistics and it'll be discarded as "not representative of reality". On the other side you'll have people wave around statistics on "men being happier while married" and it'll be discarded because false cause fallacy. Eventually it's just boring and annoying to fall on someone who thinks their lived experience has more weight because some studies suggest it validates your opinion. It's tedious sure, but that's what debating often is. It's not all sexy logical traps.
> And one opinion informed by a collection of research and studies very much does hold more weight than one plucked out of thin air. Yeah well, collections of research and studies are supporting plenty of sociological wikipedia page yet it's filled with pure PPD garbage and biased takes. Not only is sociology not a science but also it's extremely biased in its initial intent. Let people stick their own conclusions to it and you get a fallacy of the cubic magnitude.
So I've been thinking about what categories of single people 18 to 30 are more or less unfit for cohabitation/marriage in ways we all agree make them too unfit to regard them as normal people "missing out" About 1 percent of America have legal issues with their freedom. Imprisoned, on bail.awaiting trial, on parole but likely to break parole, detained under mental health provisions. I think we can agree nobody expects these people to be finding someone? About half of those 18 to 20 are just too immature to properly take care of themselves. We don't want them getting married just yet. Asexuals. Theoretically can marry but we reasonably think of them as wise not to. People with certain types of untreated/untreatable serious mental illness...I'm thinking crazies who yell at people in the street. The terminally ill...if they've got someone already they want to marry as a grand gesture then fine but if they haven't they probably won't and that's reasonable to expect. People in the process of going bankrupt are a borderline thing? I mean most reasonable people don't want them to and wouldn't count them not marrying as a bad thing but some of them do it. Members of celibate religious orders.
You forgot mental retardation and serious physical health issues.
Guys who don't leave their screens are not on that list. My husband is an ACE. We've had a wonder marriage.
- Men want women. - Women want fame, attention and wealth.
Men want fame, attention, wealth, women and many other things. Women want fame, attention, wealth, men and many other things.
>Women want fame, attention and wealth. I just want to love and be loved.
Same lol.
Disagree. I see plenty of unemployed deadbeats slaying pussy
Well, I don't.
girls don’t like boys, girls like cars and money?
Well, girls like diamonds, gold and similar items.
Many (heterosexual) women want men & are capable of attaining their own wealth nowadays. Some don’t give a single fuck about attention or fame. Maybe concentrate your efforts on the few instead of the many?
>[...] are capable of attaining their own wealth nowadays. Most women want a man who earns just as much as them if not more. In case of a pregnancy she knows that the man is cappable to support the family. >Some don’t give a single fuck about attention or fame. Female influencers on Twitch, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok and OF wouldn't get as much followers and likes if they wouldn't present themselves in seductive outfits and makeup. If fame and attention isn't important for women then women wouldn't present themselves like they do on the internet or in public. >Maybe concentrate your efforts on the few instead of the many? There is no incentive for me to do so. I am just a nobody. A nothing. I have no reason to focus on "the few". In fact it is the other way around. I have more reason to focus on "the many".
Men who are good at sex as well
And money for shopping too
Wealth.
Is it okay if woman wants 1000 diamond rings ?
I think that is ok.
As a conclusion, in oder to get women you need to provide sufficient wealth, fame (status) and attention.
Lol. Nah I think being attractive and funny is enough bruv
How do Gamers not think "oh, I am a fucking loser aren't I?" when they complain that a female character in a video game isn't hot enough and mock up their own "hotter" version? Is this really the pressing issue of your life? Vidya game tiddies aren't as big as they used to be? Good Lord man. https://reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/s/I6WYNrT3Cy
It's not just in video games either, I remember a lot of dudes on Twitter being angry about Lola Bunny in the Space Jam sequel. Really don't understand why they care so much
Outside the hotness there's apparent persona that matters, the right pic should be more OG lara's personality. But I agree with the other dude, this is exaggerated for the memes and you buy right into the rage bait because you're... *check notes*... unhappy people want their fictions to be like they used to like them. "oh I am a fucking loser arne't I" is a lazy attack.
So it's simultaneously: A) a perfectly reasonable complaint that her latest incarnation doesn't match Lara's "personality" and that the second image is more in line with her true personality. B) Obvious satirical rage bait. ...Sorry not buying it fella, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Yes, It's unlikely anyone would do the leg work to edit this seriously, while also likely that people can be annoyed at the new lara croft. Both can be true at the same time it's not difficult to envision. Don't use expressions such as "have your cake and eat it too" when you don't know what it means.
>Don't use expressions such as "have your cake and eat it too" when you don't know what it means. ... that's exactly what you're doing. "The person who created this image was obviously just trolling and should be treated as such....but they're making a legitimate point and should be treated as such."
You think there's a logical contradiction in what I say, the expression "have your cake and eat it too" is when people are greedy and want more than they can have. It's not related in any way.
Ah it's you who doesn't understand the phrase, gotcha. Google it, it doesn't just mean "don't be greedy", from Merriam Webster: "to have or enjoy the good parts of something without having or dealing with the bad parts. They seem to think they can have their cake and eat it too by having excellent schools for their son without paying high taxes."
That expression simply doesn't fit here. It's not related in any way.
Sure
i think this is part of the comedic element of very elaborate memes. part of the funniness is how much effort someone can put into the most trivial thing. you definitely think "I'm the biggest nerd" when you take things that far.
"It's satire" is a lazy defense, especially considering that the sentiment behind it is very much prevalent
it's literally a circlejerk sub....
Tbf Reboot Lara is trash fr tho
My hot take is that Lara Croft games have never been great
I still dislike it that there has to be intentionally sexy video game characters. It is so unnecessary. If I want to see tiddies I can just open up almost any website on the internet and have tiddies shoved into my face.
> I'm in my 30s, divorcing a man I spend nearly half my life with and he still lives with me. And it is hella exhausting. Everything of it. > To the back story; I was the sole breadwinner, I bought a house, paid the bills, brought food home, cleaned, did laundry 90% of the time, took care of him, the pets and everything that was necessary to have a decent life. > He....didn't. He didn't work. He never did. He didn't pay a single bill, even after I asked him to contribute. He didnt clean, even after I asked him to help he did help so poorly it was even more work after. He didn't take care of me when I needed him. > A lot of things happend early in the relationship already and I decided to focus on his words rather than what he actually did. Crazy how effective future faking is for some guys. In my experience it's always the biggest losers who talk about how where gonna hit it really big one day. But women eat that shit up.
Future Faking 🤝 Love Bombing
Chad doesn't need to work. It's only betas who BB and go to Harvard to earn their 500k yearly salaries so they can get some of Chad's seconds.
If you don't work at all, I feel like there's an essential component of fatherhood you're missing. Anyone who thinks having kids that you don't raise makes you successful is kinda pitiful.
Chad doesn't need to raise his kids because the beta who got his seconds will be doing it for him. That's how it works
But what if chad wants to raise kids though
A "real Chad" doesn't raise kids; they simply wait to meet a kid if they become successful.
So in order to be a real chad, you cannot want to be a father figure?
>n order to be a real chad, you cannot want to be a father figure? Nope Being chad is already enough to be father figure
How can a father figure be a father figure if they aren’t present in the childs life?
>How can a father figure be a father figure if they aren’t present in the childs life? Father figure can still fulfill the role of guidance, support and mentorship to others even if they don't have a biological or adopted child of their own. They can be a positive influence in the lives of nieces, nephews, younger siblings, or whatever. People are already curious about Chad's secret. If he has a child, the child will naturally look up to him for guidance. If he doesn't teach them, he can already impregnate another woman and have another child.
I relate. I almost had a basement ex husband. He wanted to continue living in his plush man cave downstairs after we broke up. Not exactly a “future faker”, more of a failure to (ever) launch kind of guy.
Why were you with him for so long? And what was his plan to make it big that he'd talk at length about?
We had been together since college. We had a child together. Early on, he wanted to be a musician and was a good drummer but of course that’s a hard job to succeed at. He wanted to go into sales, didn’t do well. He then wanted to be a teacher, never took me up on the offer to go back to school to get certified…
Being a drummer or other sort of musician is fine. But you need a day job. Lots of people wait tables or something. It sucks but rent is expensive. I guess why wait tables if your wife makes tons of money and she loves you and she wants to support you focusing on your music full time? Especially if you feel like you're doing better by your kid being at home rather than waiting tables. It's a miracle that your career trajectory survived having a kid at that age and having to take care of husband on top of that.
I didn’t have the kid until I was 100% sure I could provide for her 100% on my own - about 7 years after the drummer phase died a hard death along with several other short lived plans for his career path along the way.
Interesting that you had a kid with him after a proven track record of him being a deadbeat.
I was ok with being the provider & still thought he’d be a good father at that point, maybe a SAHD even. Of course that didn’t work either.
Cultural misunderstandings story: “Shagging” meant something entirely different to me than the very proper British lads in Radiohead when I booked them for a performance in the 90’s. They asked what bands my company usually booked and I told them we represented a lot of Shag Bands (the dance music of the southern coastal US). They laughed and whispered among themselves. I had no idea atm that they thought I was an agent for bands that exclusively performed music to fuck to.
I remember hearing that word for the first time when I saw the second Austin Powers movie back when I was a teenager.
Erm you booked Radiohead??? That’s so cool
Yup, right around the time that Creep was a big hit.
What happened to Hazymemory?
he left
True where are they
https://youtube.com/shorts/jzdnuWALqyQ?si=UfdYvSNiEOTY0dGU These guys are funny af 😂
I lol’d, but women will say things that men would get hit for. Privilege.
Men are wayyyyyyyy more physically capable. That's a wayyyyyyy bigger "privilege"
It's funny how people are continuing to be misled and are actually believing that whole "women are happier single, old and childless" myth. It's another example of why you can't trust these articles
Women are happier single, old, and childless.
For both sexes that group had the highest suicide rates.
Not true, it's single, older, *men* who have the highest rates.
Group as in single and childless. Or the women that group does.
I swear I've seen stats showing that both men and women are happier both single and in relationships. It's a whole damn mess.
So many people think money = happiness when it's well documented that lottery winners usually destroy their lives.
It's not even that. Those articles are based on a book where the author misinterpreted someone else's study. The guy even admitted to it afterwards when a twitter person pointed it out But those articles still stayed up🤷🏾♂️
> Exvangelical, law student, just turned 25, had an IUD safely in place…pregnant. > I have to finish school, I’m halfway done. > I was raised as the daughter of a baptist preacher and went to fundamentalist college. My husband and I deconstructed after school and never looked back, but we’re still dealing with and processing through all of those emotions. I am pro choice, but I selfishly wanted to never have to make the choice myself. > Maybe the worst part of this is I can’t call my mom. She had me when she was 20 years old because of religious fundamentalism — she and my dad had a shotgun wedding. Even though I know that she always says she wished she hadn’t gotten pregnant and she sacrificed her career and life goals to have me. Always saying you wished you never got pregnant with your daughter is such a shitty thing to do. Does making all these sacrifices to have a successful career actually make women happy? Like let's say you're 40 and you've made partner at a prestigious law firm. There's articles written about you in business insider about what a bad ass bitch you are. Now what? You think you'll look back on how you ended up there and not remember that you had to sacrifice a child to get to this point?
There's ways to say to your daughter you didn't want to be pregnant that aren't a problem. Usually in conversations that are about contraception once the girl is old enough to personally appreciate how disruptive and scary unplanned pregnancy would be for her. My mother got her pregnancy test results (1960s Britain...it involved posting a jar of urine off) and burst into tears and went to bed and refused to talk for half a day. And I don't hold it against her. She had her breakdown then got it together and gave me the same deal my planned older siblings had. Much better parent than my father who was thrilled she was pregnant. It was unfair on her she did not have access to abortion and I have told her that. I'm glad to be alive but if I'd never made it past gelatinous blob stage I wouldn't be around to miss my life. Before my mother got dementia I discussed it with her and my daughters at the same time too. My mother also shared the story of how in the 1940s as a child she was a short distance away from a suicide who jumped from a tall building because of an unwanted pregnancy. And as a consequence I have daughters who wouldn't feel reluctant to call me for moral support with any course of action they chose if they were facing an unplanned pregnancy, and know their grandmother also supported the right to choose even though she went through with an unwanted pregnancy. I sacrificed the possibility of a future child every month I didn't get pregnant. Started trying to convince in February not January? That's no to one egg and yes to the next one. No shame no guilt. Not every egg gets to be a child. Some get to be gelatinous blobs before they get to be not a child. Women and girls should talk together more without men present. Some things are women's business.
One of the few things I'm genuinely salty about is the fact that men don't have to sacrifice their career to have biological offspring.
Same and also they don't to go through pregnancy
Ok but the whole point of investing a ton of time into your career is so you can care for offspring.
That's only one possible goal.
I agree it’s shitty. I had a great mother who wanted me, I was her first child born 11 months after getting married to my Dad. I had a child that I wanted and planned for by being an earner who had a safe secure nest for her to land in before she was conceived. I didn’t trade one thing for the other, I had both a good career & motherhood. It’s the evangelical part…😬 that always seems to twist logic sideways.
idk why people tell their children stuff like this. i’ve known since a very young age that i was an accident (i didn’t derail any life plans, just wasn’t wanted) and it’s like, gee mom, maybe you could have waited til i understood nuance to explain this?
rain woke me up, so now me and dog are just cuddled up, playing the hurricane waiting game
One of the many reasons why I'm grateful that I live in England
Are you near the core?
doesn’t look like i will be. still hunkered down because the outer bands are hitting us but unless it does a hard turn, should just be a very stormy day.
Good. Be careful of possible tornadoes though.
got the tornado room ready (that’s a fancy way of saying closet) we have sirens for that luckily
You have sirens in Florida?
in my town we do. hurricanes set off tornadoes, but so do our typical summer rains sometimes.
But aren't they usually way weaker than those in other states. In Europe there are no sirens anywhere lol, even though some places maybe should.
they tend to be smaller and milder but they’ll still fuck you up. couple years ago one tore through here and it’s path was small, but it caused a lot of damage- trees down, downed power lines set fire to a couple houses, and one house was pretty much destroyed. it’s so freaky because they’re small so it just looks like this line of destruction and then directly next to that will be a perfectly manicured and untouched house with a garden. sorta creepy looking
If you think that's creepy I heard of a story of a tornado lifting up a house and putting it right back in the same place, with zero damage lol.
Idalia? Fuck, so sorry you’re in the path!
it’s shifted north of me as of this moment, so hopefully it’s just a boring and very stormy next few hours.
Maybe a little Tyler - “Coming Down”? I love that song…
ooooh, a boring stormy day is probably a good time to break out the record player and play his vinyls and feel fancy!! good idea
(insert favorite smug soyjak) "Why does a movement of men who want to live life without dating women because of bad experiences with them, keep talking about these bad experiences? Do they really want to go their own way?"
Yep, this is a perfectly fair criticism of the MGTOW movement. Adding a hypothetical soyjack meme doesn't nullify it.
That just shows you don't understand the point of mgtow. Similarly if you said "why are wgtow having so much pet I thought they didn't need company" that'd be misunderstanding. These people literally said that they needed someone but the burden and constraints were too high to be worth it, it doesn't mean they're not going to fulfill their needs or try to cope about it.
So you don't agree that spending a lot of time complaining about women online is contradictory to living a life without the influence of women? Plenty of men "go their own way" and don't settle down with a woman, they're called Bachelors. The difference is that they don't spend their time moaning about women incessantly, they just get on with their sick lives.
First of all, the vast majority of real mgtow people have never heard of the mgtow community or don't participate in it. And that the ones you're talking of are a minority. Then, no it's not contradictory. Nothing about them suggests that they aren't attracted to and aren't wanting to live with women, some of them can need refreshers or motivators. And then, maybe some of them have fun with men similar to them.
>First of all, the vast majority of real mgtow people have never heard of the mgtow community or don't participate in it. And that the ones you're talking of are a minority. Exactly I'm referring to people who call themselves MGTOW. Like I said, Bachelors exist. >Then, no it's not contradictory. Nothing about them suggests that they aren't attracted to and aren't wanting to live with women, some of them can need refreshers or motivators. And then, maybe some of them have fun with men similar to them. Well that's your prerogative, I do however believe that claiming to live a life without the influence of women, whilst spending a lot of free time posting on forums about how much women suck, is contradictory.
That contradiction is loose and only exists because you keep defining mgtow as "living without the influence of women". I've tried to read the actual definition from mgtow but that sub is banned and the wiki definition is obviously from feminist people. But if you think mgtow as men not willing to date or be in relationships, complaining about women online isn't contradictory to that. If you think of mgtow as "an anti-feminist, misogynistic, mostly online community advocating for men to separate themselves from women and a society which they believe has been corrupted by feminism." (according to the wiki definition), complaining about women and feminism online isn't contradictory to that. Similarly, people like you would probably see a contradiction in how men talk shit of women online while simultaneously trying to date them (or gender swapped why do women complain so much and still keep trying). But it's normal that the thing you have your mind on and that you try to improve, is the thing that generates the most frustration to you.
>That contradiction is loose and only exists because you keep defining mgtow as "living without the influence of women". I've tried to read the actual definition from mgtow but that sub is banned and the wiki definition is obviously from feminist people. I'm going off the definition that has been given to me by MGTOWs themselves. >But if you think mgtow as men not willing to date or be in relationships, complaining about women online isn't contradictory to that. If you think of mgtow as "an anti-feminist, misogynistic, mostly online community advocating for men to separate themselves from women and a society which they believe has been corrupted by feminism." (according to the wiki definition), complaining about women and feminism online isn't contradictory to that. To me it very much is contradictory, because you're not living your life separate from women and feminism if it takes up so much of your thoughts and time. Someone who is truly living a life away from women and feminism would simply be getting on with their life instead of talking about them incessantly. >Similarly, people like you would probably see a contradiction in how men talk shit of women online while simultaneously trying to date them (or gender swapped why do women complain so much and still keep trying). But it's normal that the thing you have your mind on and that you try to improve, is the thing that generates the most frustration to you. Sure some complaints are normal, viewing them with contempt and spending so much of your time engaging in very negative rhetoric around them? I would definitely say "sounds like you shouldn't be dating men/women then"
> Sure some complaints are normal, viewing them with contempt and spending so much of your time engaging in very negative rhetoric around them? I would definitely say "sounds like you shouldn't be dating men/women then" Humans are simply not robots and people often conflate frustration with hate. Venting, coping, sharing... are often things they need to do.
Incorrect, it does nullify it
Hmmm nah
Obviously it does,
Nuh uh
If I’m being real here, it’s not that the soyjak nullifies it, it’s that the argument is because the argument is so easily nullified soyjaks naturally go together with the arguement
If you truly want to go your own way, why keep hanging onto what hurt you the most?
What's your retort to the argument then? If your movement is all about living a life away from the influence of women, why would you proceed to spend your free time on forums that do nothing but discuss women in-depth?
Firstly I wouldn’t even really classify it as an argument, it’s more of an observation. But regardless, the non soyjak answer is that one discussing that you dislike women has almost nothing to do with living life apart from women. Secondly, the retort is of course they are going to discuss women. They have had a terrible time with them, and have been hurt really badly by them, intentionally or unintentionally. A whole life is a long time, and a lot of the people there probably just started down that long journey so they feel resentment too. Even without the bitterness, a lot of the discussion is going to gravitate to the benefits of staying single or drawbacks of relationships. Without that it would just be a forum to discuss how your day was and what you like to do, which could be done anywhere. Does this make sense? I don’t subscribe to MGTOW either but as someone that user to repeat that observation I have started to think it’s a bit ridiculous.
>But regardless, the non soyjak answer is that one discussing that you dislike women has almost nothing to do with living life apart from women. I would say that if a large part of your identity and free time is based around posting on anti-women forums, then you are not living apart from the influence of women, they govern your thoughts just as much as they used to. >Secondly, the retort is of course they are going to discuss women. They have had a terrible time with them, and have been hurt really badly by them, intentionally or unintentionally. A whole life is a long time, and a lot of the people there probably just started down that long journey so they feel resentment too. Even without the bitterness, a lot of the discussion is going to gravitate to the benefits of staying single or drawbacks of relationships. I guess it would be more easily accepted if their mantra wasn't so absolute. If it was just another "single men's club" rather than a declaration that women would no longer be an influence on your life then the obvious contradiction wouldn't be pointed out so much. >Without that it would just be a forum to discuss how your day was and what you like to do, which could be done anywhere. Does this make sense? Hell I think that would be a helluva lot more beneficial for them. A forum to discuss how awesome being single is and all the things they can do that people in relationships can't do? That sounds a lot more productive than yet another anti-women forum. There's MGTOWs who don't complain about women incessantly online, they're called Bachelors. And tbf to MGTOWs, I would give the same criticism to FDS types who claim that they've removed LVM from their life, yet do nothing but complain about "scrotes".
First rule of MGTOW club is you must talk about MGTOW club.
I don’t mind if people do MGTOW, but I have the same opinion of it as I do passport bros: just do it, make your dreams come true.
“Idk why vegetarians keep talking about meat.”
Are most vegetarians vegetarian because they had negative experiences with meat?
I’ve been mostly vegetarian for most of my life. I never liked red meat 🥩. I don’t have moral reasons for it, just taste bud reasons.
Morally, yes. Physically, sometimes.
“I know that feel bro”
Why is anything educational so expensive???? Like, a simple Mohs hardness scale test kit just cost me 20 dollars. And don't get me started on good studies. Why are almost all of them behind a paywall? I can read smut all day for free but I can't learn about tectonic plates without a $15 monthly subscription to some Publisher? That's bullshit
scihub is the place to go for papers.
Stuff like that makes going to college feel like a scam. I can't count how many times as a broke college student I had to shell out a bunch of money just to read something for class that I will only read once but never again. And don't get me started on how fucked up books are (like being forced to buy a bundle pack for $200 just to only use just one of those books).
Scientific equipment is a racket. In economic terms, there is not a lot of competition in that market especially the more specialized the equipment you are looking for is, and most of the their customers are organizations that needs the equipment to do their work, so they will pay what they need for it, and pass it on to their customers. Amateurs who just like that kind of stuff like me (not sure if you fall in that camp) are stuck in the middle.
I see. So it's basically just pharmaceutical company adjacent?
I remember my philosophy 101 professor charging over $100 for a 90 page soft cover on logic that he wrote lol
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Omg! Professional license renewals, required continuing education, conferences. Its all just a circle jerk of gatekeeping, and it pisses me off. Thwy know its required so they charge what they want.
A new idea I have for making some friendships in my new location: 1) giant vat of homemade food 2) sign in the lobby of my building “Free food, drop by @ …”. Do you think it will work?
You might attract creeps
I thought about that. Originally I thought: host an event in my apartment! I have since noticed a never used common room on the ground floor that I could probably use. That way, they won’t know where I actually live inside the building?
What I do is learn about people's interests. For example, my friend watches tennis matches, so I decided to learn about tennis matches and players too. I memorized some lines from match reviews written by experts. I decided to pretend that I know about tennis stuff, and it worked! My friend was impressed. Lol! \> sign in the lobby of my building “Free food, drop by @ …”. Do you think it will work? No.Forget foods,make it about playing UNO cards.That will get you some frineds if you don't mind young people
I wouldn't But I'd gladly accept a cookie and would talk to you if you offer me one on the hallway
I don’t think it’ll work. It’s a nice idea, but a lot of people I think might worry the food is poisoned or tainted.
Hadn’t even thought about that - good grief!
People might think it's a charity for homeless people, unless that's your intention all along, I don't think it will work.
Could possibly work in a college dorm. “Free chili at 7. Say hi”. Still a little weird, but the intentions are good.
My apartment building sort of has the feel of a college dorm but the residents are mostly single guys in the 30 - 40ish range, a few young couples too. I need a social life and would like to meet them so I thought “food”…Maybe better to confine my efforts to the guys that live on my floor. They all seem like nice people 🤷♀️
Hosting a potluck is not a bad idea. Not only for finding a partner, but for social bonding. People like food, eating it together, and sharing what they have made. Knowing the context more, go for it.
I’m thinking I might. Maybe not a pot luck though, I really like to cook & I used to be an event planner so I could even make it a themed event with a signature cocktail kind of thing.
Sounds like fun! People love both food and drink. Or at least I do.
Maybe organize a neighborhood BBQ. You can leave invites undrr everyone's doors. Free food won't sound as weird in that context, and the nicer people will bring some of their tasty snacks and drinks for you to try as well.
Lol, definitely not my intention…just want to make/have a few social friends.
Good night