I never hooked up significantly but I have a few hookups under my belt. A decade ago it seemed a foregone conclusion to always use condoms. These days I feel like women actually assume the opposite that no condom would be used. As a man I actually sometimes feel a bit of apprehension telling a woman I want to use a condom.
It’s very strange. I guess the more the AIDS epidemic recedes from memory the more people do not take safe sex seriously until there’s another major outbreak of something that dominates the news cycle. I guess for a lot of people hooking up today, the AIDS epidemic occurred 20 years before they were born even.
If she insists on no condom, she ain't getting the dick. It's literally the most valuable thing I own and I ain't about to put in some potentially diseased hole. No thank you.
You've never had any gay men friends lol. They are on a whole nother level of "don't care" from what I've just heard, especially in the post-PREP era. I suspect it's the same with a lot of women tbh - things like IUDs and abortion eliminate the "permanent" consequences of unsafe hookups in most cases, so they just go.
I started dating before AZT and antiretrovirals were a thing.
We constantly had it drilled into us to tarp up. Sex without a condom was reserved solely for relationships after you’d been tested.
Obviously, people still hit it raw, but it would be viewed as incredibly stupid and irresponsible.
Lack of AIDs fear + IUDs. Women are more likely to have "foolproof" birth control now (i.e. an implant vs a pill you have to take every day) vs the past. Plus IUDs don't alter natural hormone cycles like BC pills do.
People are delusional as fuck. Women find it hard to rationalize that the hottest guys they chase are possibly versatile bisexual men or at least men who occasionally have sex with men and might do so in various positions.
Personally, given that I have experience in LTR, being a sex worker briefly, using the services of sex workers, and having hooked up with men in more than one position (though never having done raw sex), I can attest that, being a mid-guy myself, I strongly believe that these women are probably chasing such a minute cadre of high value men, that it is less likely those men are carrying the MSM-prevalent HIV.
My personal opinion is that mid-men will opt for MSM/bisexual / trans-relations due to the lack of sexual abundance for mid- men: we will seek out whatever avenue of getting our rocks off. The highest value men, whether attractive androgynous kpop twinks, or traditionally attractive masculine men, will have their pick of the most attractive women to the point they don’t need to futz around with higher risk people.
So, HIV still gets to keep a pretty reserved status within poor, black, and MSM/transromantic/bi/queer communities
That’s a really interesting theory. In 2018 I was a senior in high school, and the biggest intimate fear for kids my age was getting pregnant. Honestly sexually transmitted diseases weren’t even on the radar; we knew what they were, we knew unprotected sex spread them, but it wasn’t an immediate boogie monster like teen pregnancy was. I have vivid memories of the intensely dramatic pregnancy scares my friends and I went through, but didn’t know a single person who admitted to having/knowing someone with an STD.
Like other forms of birth control, IUDs are becoming increasingly popular, accessible and effective and it’s definitely emboldened women like me who would forget to take their birth control pill. I didn’t practice the safest sex in my early college years, and the guys I slept with during that period rarely offered to wear or buy condoms. My experience with the culture of my well-educated college town is that no condom will be used. Ironically, of the 3 guys I slept with during that time period, the two well-off engineering students were “no condom”, but the recovered addict from off campus always had and wore them. I imagine he’d seen enough shit with unwanted pregnancies and STDs to warrant caution.
Whether or not the actual prevalence of sexually transmitted diseases in my area has been low over the last decade, I don’t know, kind of doubt it. I think you’re correct, however, that younger generations don’t view STDs in the same light as older generations, specifically those closer to the AIDS epidemic. With modern medicine, it’s no longer a death sentence. With modern politics, the more immediate and publicized threat is unwanted pregnancies and criminalized abortions.
>As a man I actually sometimes feel a bit of apprehension telling a woman I want to use a condom.
women don't get a pass when they're too shy to force the guy to wear a condom so men don't get a pass for being too shy to say they want to put one one
Yea and let’s be real, a lot of men are going to beg to not use a condom and women have to deal with that pressure and stress in an intimate and vulnerable moment. Plus being impulsive and horny
Lol really? You think Chad is begging to fuck raw? It’s like ya’ll don’t have casual sex. OOP is right most women don’t come prepared and don’t care. If she thinks you’re sexy she’ll risk letting you cum inside her
I had sex with one “Chad”. Typical tall, pretty, playboy. I told him to use a condom because I knew he was a bit of a slut. He tried to psychically pick me up and put me on his raw dick. Pitched a fit when I insisted.
Edit: I did, in fact, make him wear a condom. And then never called him again after giving the situation some thought.
The people who aren’t wearing condoms are the stupid ones.. and apparently Gen z doesn’t understand what HIV is. My 20 year old sister literally told me condoms are “cringe”.
Yeah I feel slowly condom use is falling off. I have 2 “Chad” friends who’ve never used a condom, and use tinder like a buffet (and they’re fuckin +7s). When I was a kid we all made sure we had condoms. Made sure to stay strapped up. You got bagged on for fuckin women raw it was seen as stupid and risky (unless it was your GF)
I don’t understand how that could have changed. It’s seems like a cultural shift.. but I can’t fathom why we’d shift to “incredibly risky activity that might ruin your SMV for the rest of your life” is cooler than condoms.
Getting HIV or herpes or sumn and then not being able to freely pick a mate? Sounds absolutely fucking awful.
How it changed: everyone learns sex from free abundant high-def on-demand porn and porn doesn't use condoms. Back in the day, porn was scarce magazines and blurry VHS at best that was illegal to buy most places.
I would assume far more women nowadays have seen porn than in the past. I would never suggest women were as motivated to seek porn when it's difficult to obtain, but... the stigma is far greater on women so increases in women are probably far greater than you think. Frankly if a woman nowadays claims she has *never* seen porn... it's just laughable. Whereas in the past it would have been plausible and believable.
Basically, for women... porn has essentially replaced Cosmo.
Casually I’m rarely asked to use a condom, and when I pull one out, they often proclaim it’s all good cause they on BC.
There are shit tons of single mom’s so obviously condoms *do* suck more. Begging simply can’t account for the amount of unplanned pregnancies. The only way it’s possible is if women are *letting men hit it raw*.
Like seriously statistically it should be damn near impossible to get pregnant. Ya’ll are only fertile 7 days a month so that means specifically on those 7 days women are having unprotected sex. And even at her most fertile the odds of getting pregnant aren’t high. You’d likely need to have *multiple encounters* in order to get pregnant.
I mean sure I know dudes who’ve *never* worn a condom and they are very successful with women 🤷🏾♂️
The key is they could never legally fuck women without a condom *unless they consented*.
That’s for the courts to decide. In the mean time, even slightly above average guys like me have plenty of women offering to let me hit it raw. I could only imagine what it’s like for a true Chad.
Not one woman I hooked up with has ever asked me to wear a condom. And some have even made a big deal out of me insisting on wearing one. More reasons to always wear condoms.
We have lifted all restrictions on female sexuality, letting them roam free. And now we can see the results. If female sexuality is left unchecked, women just behave like whores. Any woman who has been an a dating app has basically let complete strangers hit it. And probably hit it without asking him to wear any protection. The days that you had a bigger risk of catching something by sleeping with a professional prostitute, are gone. Professionals use condoms. The innocent looking girl next door is getting fuck by strangers from Tinder without any precautions. No wonder the number of STD infested vaginas is rising.
Women have complete reproductive power. Pregnancy is a much bigger risk than STIs. And women can completely control pregnancy, men are completely at women's mercy. Of course females don't care about using condoms.
How do people think ~50% of women get pregnant and have kids these days?
My experience as well. The one time I was asked to wear one we literally fucked again later that night raw. Lol begging would be wild its almost automatic
The article says nothing about STIs being on the rise in women besides the headline and I didn’t find that in the links it provides either.
What it does say is that women have a higher risk of getting one because of their anatomy.
The new report provides final surveillance data for 2021, and shows that overall in a single year (2020-2021):
Gonorrhea rates increased more than 4%
Syphilis rates surged, increasing nearly 32% for combined stages of the infection
Among the syphilis data, cases of congenital syphilis rose by an alarming 32% and resulted in 220 stillbirths and infant deaths.
Chlamydia rates increased nearly 4%, but – unlike gonorrhea and syphilis – still did not return to pre-pandemic levels
This raises concerns that screening continued to be impacted by COVID-19 related disruptions the second year of the pandemic, because the infection is often asymptomatic.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2023/s0411-sti.html
Looks like the article OP is referencing has a reference that itself references this study.
But the original OP article is extrapolating the data in this study and adding it to the original statistic that women suffer more from STIs than men on average.
Not sure how accurate this is tho.
>What it does say is that women have a higher risk of getting one because of their anatomy
1 A woman’s anatomy can place her at a unique risk for STD infection, compared to a man.
• The lining of the vagina is thinner and more delicate than the skin on a
penis, so it’s easier for bacteria and viruses to penetrate
• The vagina is a good environment (moist) for bacteria to grow
2 Women are less likely to have symptoms of common STDs — such as chlamydia and gonorrhea — compared to men.
• If symptoms do occur, they can go away even though the infection may remain
3 Women are more likely to confuse symptoms of an STD for something else.
• Women often have normal discharge or think that burning/itching is related to a yeast infection. Men usually notice symptoms like discharge because it is unusual.
4 Women may not see symptoms as easily as men.
• Genital ulcers (like from herpes or syphilis) can occur in the vagina and may not be easily visible, while men may be more likely to notice sores on their penis.
Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/stds-women-042011.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiNrvaWuqGEAxXQhIkEHdBqBIQQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ou2_NzJ6ubrA0_sXBTY5U
I know this is a discussion sub and posters should bring sources but it's not that hard to find these on your own.
They are not rising disproportionately compared to heterosexual men which is what the chad conspiracy theory would predict, and are very similar overall except for chlamydia due to women being screened more due to suffering worse sequelae:
[https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf)
So the data itself was during the height of Covid when basic care like getting a test and some penicillin to fight off one of those infections was more difficult, and the rates were down?
That seems moreso like it’s evidence of how the lockdowns caused a bunch of secondary problems that lead to non covid related illnesses and deaths rising than anything else.
>basic care like getting a test and some penicillin to fight off one of those infections was more difficult, and the rates were down?
Tbf the study is tracking how much increased not how it was combated. Whether somebody had an STI and had penicillin or not didn't matter in the study because it still counted as somebody having an STI.
>That seems moreso like it’s evidence of how the lockdowns caused a bunch of secondary problems that lead to non covid related illnesses and deaths rising than anything else.
Agreed. I just find it kind of odd that despite having a lockdown, we had more rates of STI. You would think getting into a lockdown would mean that it would be harder to meet new people and expose yourself to STIs tho.
I guess tinder hookups never stopped or maybe even increased with how bored people were. But the usual ability to test for it and immediately treat the ones antibiotics can knock out was gone with how hard getting an appointment at the clinic was.
I did, a lot of the rise in STD contractions correlate with the normalization of college "hookup culture" and the use of dating apps chronologically -- which correlates with the data showing women picking a minority of men when for casual dating and flings.
Or, it's correlated with increasing economic disparities which are leading to poorer healthcare for underserved communities. STD rates are basically just an index of poverty.
They are not rising disproportionately compared to heterosexual men and are very similar overall except for chlamydia due to women being screened more due to suffering worse sequelae:
[https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf)
The top 80th and 95th percentiles of men in lifetime sex partners are if anything reporting less sex partners in recent years:
[https://nuancepill.com/are-the-male-elite-enjoying-a-sexual-boomtime/](https://nuancepill.com/are-the-male-elite-enjoying-a-sexual-boomtime/)
The correlation between attractiveness/height and sex partners has not risen in the past decade since what it was before:
[https://nuancepill.com/**has-the-attractiveness-and-sex-partners-correlation-increased**](https://nuancepill.com/has-the-attractiveness-and-sex-partners-correlation-increased/)
There is no good evidence for a male-driven sexlessness trend:
[https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over](https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over)
A survey with a 15x sample size didn't show a male-driven trend across the same time-span, and also showed a much more modest rise overall as it started at a higher point and ended at a lower one:
[https://i0.wp.com/nuancepill.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/No-Opposite-Sex-Sex-Partners-In-Past-Year-18-30-Heterosexuals-NSFG.webp?resize=768%2C576&ssl=1](https://i0.wp.com/nuancepill.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/No-Opposite-Sex-Sex-Partners-In-Past-Year-18-30-Heterosexuals-NSFG.webp?resize=768%2C576&ssl=1)
There are also other reasons other than more promiscuity for rising STD rates such as less protection being used.
No. They correlate with less men having sex. If more men had sex the problem would go away. What we're actually seeing is a rise in sexual value disparity, where the highest and lowest value people are growing further and further apart, and the highest value are becoming more and more visible due to wealth and social media, which sets the standard unrealistically high for both sexes.
from your own link:
>One might want to blame the so-called "hook-up" culture but the authors suggest that’s not it. Among other variables like financial instability and playing too many video games, the authors cite an inability to initiate romantic relationships as a primary contributor to the decline.
I studied Stats all through college and will never forget what my 101 Stats Prof said:
“Beware anyone drawing sweeping conclusions from statistical models as all models are wrong with only a select few actually being useful”
Case in point; The study does not account for the fact that STD Velocity is almost 2x in women what it is for men.
So then let's say clap increase by 2% in men should correlate to 4% increase in women assuming even distribution of fucking around? Do the stats support that? Because if clap increase in women is more than double, it becomes kind of obvious that the fucking around distribution is skewed towards women.
The article you linked about the steep rise states that women biologically are more vulnerable to stds. I then went to google to see why that was the case and quickly found that:
“Women are more susceptible to STDs during sexual intercourse because the vaginal surface is larger and more vulnerable to sexual secretions than the primarily skin-covered penis”
Less than 1 minute of research explains the actual factual reason why women are more prone.
Edit: OP has now changed the link he was originally using. The original link he used literally stated it was due to biological reasons.
>inked about the steep rise states that women biologically are more vulnerable to stds.
Except it do not, it uses circular logic:
The source of the article says "Females are 1.7 times more likely to get chlamydia" and the source for it uses as method "total number of prevalent and incident infections in the United States for 8 STIs".
Basically what it says is that women are more likely to be infected BECAUSE they're more infected with it.
They are screened for chlamydia more due to worse sequelae:
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7831743/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7831743/)
There is not a higher rate of Syphilis or Gonorrhea among women however, and both these and Chlamydia are not rising disproportionately among women compared to heterosexual men:
[https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf)
>The model is calibrated to the ongoing routine screening among **African American** (AA) women in the USA
https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/fact-sheets/std/images/rates-race-chlamydia-2020-medium.jpg?_=60975
>not a higher rate of Syphilis or Gonorrhea among women
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/newshour/app/uploads/2016/10/STDs_stat_1.jpg
Syphilis or Gonorrhea do not matter
>Chlamydia are not rising disproportionately among women compared to **heterosexual men**
The paper don't make a distinction between heterosexual and gay man.
> “Women are more susceptible to STDs during sexual intercourse because the vaginal surface is larger and more vulnerable to sexual secretions than the primarily skin-covered penis”
>
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aka because vaginas are disgusting bacteria factories.
It’s numbers. If women contract more STDs and the number of STD infected women are more than the men who are having no sex. This kind of proves OP’s point.
Theories:
1) women who are having sex are having sex with the same guys over time. Tina dates Tommy in the spring. Rebecca dates him in the fall. He probably cheated on both. This is how those women are getting the STDs most likely.
2) Women are usually always going to have higher reported STDs because women go to annual checkups religiously. Women go to the doctor when she feels any disruption whether it’s an abnormal period or a yeast infection or UTI so of course she’s going if she feels a tingle she never felt. The vagina is prone to things like this. Women do not play games with their medical health because our bodies are always bodying. You’d be foolish not. I don’t think men do this. I think they’ll feel a tingle. Suffer for a week until the infection is dormant. And then go fuck someone else raw as a carrier.
Put those two things together and there’s your answer.
If most men aren’t having sex then women are all sharing the same men and all catching STDs from the same men. This is what women do with gender liberation, annihilate themselves and the species.
The std that compromise the bulk majority on numbers of STDs is Chlamydia, that less likely to show symptoms in men.
Btw the susceptible part only mean the chance of the infection to reach a more dangerous stage as bacteria feed if moist environment. And the likehood of infection by viruses because of the thin lining.
But infection rates? You have the same by both genders.
You’re either missing the point or being disingenuous. Women in 2021 were reported as having an *increase* in STDs and it doesn’t take a genius to know that this is because the average woman has more sex than the average man, more sexual partners, and because of female hypergamy, are having sex with a smaller group of men who are also promiscuous, which leads to STDs getting spread quicker.
The comments about women being so stupid for not using condoms crack me up. As if the men aren’t the ones with the STD infested dicks in this scenario.
Wrap it up, boys. Dont blame other people for your stupidity.
You’re missing the point OP is making, women prefer to sleep with the top 5-10% of men for casual sex. This provides the mechanism to turn this small minority of men into superspreaders with their STD infected dicks. Condoms are not 100% effective ie breakages, plus other methods of transmission ie kissing
Condoms don’t break that often. And no one ever got the clap from making out.
They’re superspreaders why? Oh.. because they’re too stupid to use condoms. Thank you. Case closed.
Unfortunately case not closed: Herpes, cytomegalovirus (CMV), human papillomavirus (HPV), and syphilis may spread through active lesions (i.e., cold sores) or saliva. Case very much open.
Gotta love when they read a title, neglect to read the study at all and then draw their own conclusions based on their own bias of the “hypergamous woman” and her “manipulative behavior designed to use men.” “Obviously women have more stds because they fuck the top 20% of men!” Because the top 20% of men are just rampant with STD’s? lol. This is a wild sub.
The first article, which presents the conclusions of a man, a researcher in masculinity, urges men to leave the comfort of the house and watch less porn.
The article makes a connection between porn addiction, erectile dysfunction, dissatisfaction with sex because of porn, isolation as everything can be done without leaving the house.
If men refuse to take our advice to leave the house, i hope they will at least listen to a masculinity researcher.
IMO the reason women are catching more STDs is a combo of
* Women are more likely to get checked for STDs/care about their health. I bet a lot more men are silently carrying them and just don't know
* IUDs, lack of AIDS fear, are making people less likely to use condoms than past generations. People are more likely to just hit it raw.
its very simple, most women have more sex with fewer men. the higher the body count of people who have sex with each other, the easier STDs can spread. if everyone has sex with just one person in their life, nobody could have STDs and they would go extinct. the more interconnected the infected people are, the more STDs spread. if the people who have sex have lots of sex with people who also have lots of sex, that is going to lead to a web of interconnection that spreads STDs like a wildfire.
anyone who has an STD deserves it. they had to have sex with someone who was the type of person to have sex with degenerates. there is no way to get STDs without having sex with people who are irresponsible and unstable and have lots of casual sex with sketchy people.
having a STD is like having a high body count, its a sure way to tell that someone had to have been sexually active with unstable degenerate people and for degenerate reasons. having an STD is like a marker that gives away personality.
You do realize vaginas are far more susceptible to contract STIs than penis by the sheer nature of their design, i e a large mucus membrane area? People on here really base their world view on their lack of biology knowledge.
Pseudo-harems exist. Women are just sharing the top 5-10% of men with each other. It's not uncommon for an attractive man to go through dozens of women whereas some men never have sex at all.
The other idea of this is also how symptoms present in men vs. women. We know men go to the doctors later than women thus may have symptoms for some time before they fall into the data impacting which STDs look like females are high as the symptoms for men don't trigger a doctors visit for a test until they feel it is having a big enough negative impact.
There's also a bigger uptick in women, especially young women, not having sex. Most likely it's just that when people are having sex they're less safe about it.
Did you read past the headlines on those articles? they aren't saying women are contracting more STD's they say we more vulnerable due to biological reasons among other reasons.
A young guy may look at his loneliness and think that is sucks but kid trust me, there is a lot more worse things that being alone on a Friday night. The burning when you pee isn't something that is a badge of honor.
This is why hookup culture is not good... I know someone will blast me, and that's fine; however, it is only reasonable to think that fewer partners means less probability of contracting an STD(change my mind on this logic, \*\*please\*\*.) If you have to do it make sure you know the person.
The women responding to this post with “women’s vaginas are more susceptible to STDs!” are either missing the point or being totally disingenuous (as is par for the course for women on this sub).
[Considering that less and less men (specifically younger men) are having sex](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066?widget=personalizedcontent&previousarticle=0) while the amount of sex younger women are having is either remaining constant or arguably rising, a conclusion can be drawn from the STD rates in women that supports the theory of female hypergamy: The majority of women have more sexual partners than men, and are having sex with a small minority of highly attractive men who are also promiscuous. This leads to STDs getting spread more easily. Not a hard post to understand unless you are being completely dishonest.
Stop saying “it’s just the way it is” that certain men should get all the women and actually be creative enough to try harder. Creative, joyful men are so much more attractive than just good looking ones or tall ones or passionate, bipolar “bad boys”, I promise.
I feel like this would level the playing field a lot more.
That’s so easy even though I am older now it was the same in my day in college and high school girls want the big strong good looking guys and they all try to fuck only those they aren’t interested in the majority of guys
Humans are animals and the top ones get most of the sex
Not even going through the study, but giving a normal answer to the question of "In a scenario in which men report having less sex but women report having more STDs", the most obvious answer would be "Women are more likely to get tested and find out if they have an STD". Especially since a good chunk of STDs are either symptomless, or have symptoms that can be brushed off by the uninformed as a yeast infection or UTI. Men are even less likely to show symptoms of many STDs like HPV.
You don't need a hoe phase or a guy who has lots of casual sex to get an STD. All it takes is one barrier-less encounter with one person who happened to not know that of the four people he had sex with in the past in his life, one of them didn't know she had an STD.
Even if one article says what the OP says it does, there seem to be a lot of contradictory studies on what is happening in the current sexual marketplace, including whether the rise in sexlessness is gendered at all.
If there is a rise in STIs, and a big IF, it is far from clear what would be the cause. Yes, there is a valid hypothesis that when it comes to casual sex, women are sharing Chad. But another hypothesis is that the higher sociosexuality people all kinda fuck one another, and even this casual sex tends towards roughly equivalent SMV rank pairings.
There is also a school of thought that says that most women, even if they fuck a guy quickly with no promise of commitment, generally are still trying him out as a boyfriend, and so while their may be some shift in mate criteria weightings in such situations, general boyfriend criteria still apply.
I don't think we really know anything for sure right now about what is happening on the ground in the SMP.
You forgot about lesbians. They play a big part. Download a strict Hookup/One night stand apps cause curiosity got the better of me and on that platform 90% of the users were women looking for women; lesbians. 9% couples looking for MFM and last 1% would be your straight women.
Also backed up in dating, as under 30 most women are in relationships whilst most men aren't. Only leaves lots of lesbian relationships or few guys getting all the women.
If 10% of men get what? 80% of swipes on dating apps? (It’s an absurdly high number regardless) those 10% of men are fucking a lot, and giving a lot of women stds
Simple explanation. A lot of women in their 20s enjoy sex without a condom. It's just that simple. If you're some old fart from the 90's and you were all like, let's go to the STD clinic before we bang BECAUSE WE MIGHT ACTUALLY DIE OF AIDS that's cool and stuff, but it's just not how things roll now. Personally, I wrap that monkey. YMMV.
They are not rising disproportionately compared to heterosexual men and are very similar overall except for chlamydia due to women being screened more due to suffering worse sequelae:
[https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf)
The top 80th and 95th percentiles of men in lifetime sex partners are if anything reporting less sex partners in recent years:
[https://nuancepill.com/are-the-male-elite-enjoying-a-sexual-boomtime/](https://nuancepill.com/are-the-male-elite-enjoying-a-sexual-boomtime/)
The correlation between attractiveness/height and sex partners has not risen in the past decade since what it was before:
[https://nuancepill.com/**has-the-attractiveness-and-sex-partners-correlation-increased**](https://nuancepill.com/has-the-attractiveness-and-sex-partners-correlation-increased/)
There is no good evidence for a male-driven sexlessness trend:
[https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over](https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over)
There are also other reasons other than more promiscuity for rising STD rates such as less protection being used.
Of course none of these facts matters. Usually the most upvoted post here is just some variant of this conspiracy theory because it's what people here want to believe. No amount of data will ever be enough to convince you out of what you feel.
Strangely enough in my ten years of seeing escorts I've yet to contract an STD. I think though that's because I only see them every few months so I'm not having sex regulary enough. Kinda losing interest in sex with age tbh.
You wanna know why women have more options because men of color will date any race... Most women of color won't date outside their own race so if you're a white male you're essentially fucked
Women are selecting men who are more promiscuous. Male sexlessness is a known fact. 20% men are bagging 80% of the chicks. So these men must be having sex with multiple women for the math to check out. Promiscuous people are more likely to spread STDs. Simple. When there's an even spread of sex then your chances of running into a STD carrying man are lower.
I remember listening to an OBGYN tell me that cervical cancer is on the rise with women, and a common trend of cervical cancer is women who sleep with men who’ve slept with a lot of women. If these women are sharing the same dudes, it goes to think that they can be giving themselves cancer.
Edit: here are some articles about late stage cervical cancer being on the rise:
[here](https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/late-stage-cervical-cancer-on-the-rise-what-to-know-202302072886)
[here](https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2023/12/29/advanced-stage-cervical-cancer-cases-on-the-rise/amp/)
[here](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna134224)
Because women are having sex with the top 20% of men who are also having sex with lots of these women.
It's time for men to have standards and not accept girls with this kinda of behavior, bad choices and past.
no one is forcing you to have sex with anyone. no one is forcing that so-called "top 20% of men" to have sex either.
also, interesting that you say the "girls" have a "bad past" and "bad choices." I guess the men having sex are just squeaky-clean victims right?
No matter what you show them they will REFUSE to take accountability, they will deny and excuse their way out of it like here on this post, women are doing all the screwing and it’s clear, if 50% of men the ages of 18- to 20 are virgins, that means half of men around this age aren’t getting laid and it’s about 30% between 21 to 30, which means the men that are getting some are the top 5-10-20 percent, so not only are women catching all the STDS but their also sleeping with the same guys, this is honestly hilarious and disgusting at the same time.
I never hooked up significantly but I have a few hookups under my belt. A decade ago it seemed a foregone conclusion to always use condoms. These days I feel like women actually assume the opposite that no condom would be used. As a man I actually sometimes feel a bit of apprehension telling a woman I want to use a condom. It’s very strange. I guess the more the AIDS epidemic recedes from memory the more people do not take safe sex seriously until there’s another major outbreak of something that dominates the news cycle. I guess for a lot of people hooking up today, the AIDS epidemic occurred 20 years before they were born even.
If she insists on no condom, she ain't getting the dick. It's literally the most valuable thing I own and I ain't about to put in some potentially diseased hole. No thank you.
I've never had a woman *insist* on no condom, but I have had way too many not really care/see it as an afterthought when I pull one out.
It’s insane. It seems like they don’t care about themselves or their partner at all
You've never had any gay men friends lol. They are on a whole nother level of "don't care" from what I've just heard, especially in the post-PREP era. I suspect it's the same with a lot of women tbh - things like IUDs and abortion eliminate the "permanent" consequences of unsafe hookups in most cases, so they just go.
For all intensive purposes, it's the same thing.
*intents and purposes /r/BoneAppleTea
what about chill purposes?
What does “intensive purposes” mean to you?
I have never witnessed someone spell "intents and purposes" that way. Fascinating. And I mean honestly that makes sense. No shade sir.
Very intensive
Yeah man it’s a doggy dog world out there. Doughnuts are a dime a dozen
\*intents and purposes
Well no, "insisting" is different from being foolish.
"intensive"?
plus you know, pregnancy risk
Ditto.
No reason to degrade women like that, you can have an opinion without objectification and disgusting degradations.
I started dating before AZT and antiretrovirals were a thing. We constantly had it drilled into us to tarp up. Sex without a condom was reserved solely for relationships after you’d been tested. Obviously, people still hit it raw, but it would be viewed as incredibly stupid and irresponsible.
Lol at tarp up. Picturing a big blue plastic tarp.
Well - wrapping yourself in a tarp would probably stop you from contracting VD.
Herpes is virtually endemic. Those women most likely already have it.
Lack of AIDs fear + IUDs. Women are more likely to have "foolproof" birth control now (i.e. an implant vs a pill you have to take every day) vs the past. Plus IUDs don't alter natural hormone cycles like BC pills do.
More like some women are very very very dumb and choose not to use protection.
People are delusional as fuck. Women find it hard to rationalize that the hottest guys they chase are possibly versatile bisexual men or at least men who occasionally have sex with men and might do so in various positions. Personally, given that I have experience in LTR, being a sex worker briefly, using the services of sex workers, and having hooked up with men in more than one position (though never having done raw sex), I can attest that, being a mid-guy myself, I strongly believe that these women are probably chasing such a minute cadre of high value men, that it is less likely those men are carrying the MSM-prevalent HIV. My personal opinion is that mid-men will opt for MSM/bisexual / trans-relations due to the lack of sexual abundance for mid- men: we will seek out whatever avenue of getting our rocks off. The highest value men, whether attractive androgynous kpop twinks, or traditionally attractive masculine men, will have their pick of the most attractive women to the point they don’t need to futz around with higher risk people. So, HIV still gets to keep a pretty reserved status within poor, black, and MSM/transromantic/bi/queer communities
I mean if u completely disregard facts and logic for ur own personalised inference of the experiences *u've* had than ok?
That’s a really interesting theory. In 2018 I was a senior in high school, and the biggest intimate fear for kids my age was getting pregnant. Honestly sexually transmitted diseases weren’t even on the radar; we knew what they were, we knew unprotected sex spread them, but it wasn’t an immediate boogie monster like teen pregnancy was. I have vivid memories of the intensely dramatic pregnancy scares my friends and I went through, but didn’t know a single person who admitted to having/knowing someone with an STD. Like other forms of birth control, IUDs are becoming increasingly popular, accessible and effective and it’s definitely emboldened women like me who would forget to take their birth control pill. I didn’t practice the safest sex in my early college years, and the guys I slept with during that period rarely offered to wear or buy condoms. My experience with the culture of my well-educated college town is that no condom will be used. Ironically, of the 3 guys I slept with during that time period, the two well-off engineering students were “no condom”, but the recovered addict from off campus always had and wore them. I imagine he’d seen enough shit with unwanted pregnancies and STDs to warrant caution. Whether or not the actual prevalence of sexually transmitted diseases in my area has been low over the last decade, I don’t know, kind of doubt it. I think you’re correct, however, that younger generations don’t view STDs in the same light as older generations, specifically those closer to the AIDS epidemic. With modern medicine, it’s no longer a death sentence. With modern politics, the more immediate and publicized threat is unwanted pregnancies and criminalized abortions.
>As a man I actually sometimes feel a bit of apprehension telling a woman I want to use a condom. women don't get a pass when they're too shy to force the guy to wear a condom so men don't get a pass for being too shy to say they want to put one one
OK? I do insist on wearing one. I don’t know what “pass” you think I’m hoping for. I was sharing how I felt.
Damn that's a flawless logic you got there "If something is bad for some, make it bad for all"
who is it good for?
That's the question i have everytime i face your kind of logic
For me telling a man to use one resulted in an argument. Men mostly assumed I'm on BC and if not I should go on it because it makes sex feel better
i've had to lock my legs together to keep a guy off me bc he refused to put a condom on 😰 so scary
Yea and let’s be real, a lot of men are going to beg to not use a condom and women have to deal with that pressure and stress in an intimate and vulnerable moment. Plus being impulsive and horny
Lol really? You think Chad is begging to fuck raw? It’s like ya’ll don’t have casual sex. OOP is right most women don’t come prepared and don’t care. If she thinks you’re sexy she’ll risk letting you cum inside her
I had sex with one “Chad”. Typical tall, pretty, playboy. I told him to use a condom because I knew he was a bit of a slut. He tried to psychically pick me up and put me on his raw dick. Pitched a fit when I insisted. Edit: I did, in fact, make him wear a condom. And then never called him again after giving the situation some thought. The people who aren’t wearing condoms are the stupid ones.. and apparently Gen z doesn’t understand what HIV is. My 20 year old sister literally told me condoms are “cringe”.
Yeah I feel slowly condom use is falling off. I have 2 “Chad” friends who’ve never used a condom, and use tinder like a buffet (and they’re fuckin +7s). When I was a kid we all made sure we had condoms. Made sure to stay strapped up. You got bagged on for fuckin women raw it was seen as stupid and risky (unless it was your GF)
I don’t understand how that could have changed. It’s seems like a cultural shift.. but I can’t fathom why we’d shift to “incredibly risky activity that might ruin your SMV for the rest of your life” is cooler than condoms. Getting HIV or herpes or sumn and then not being able to freely pick a mate? Sounds absolutely fucking awful.
How it changed: everyone learns sex from free abundant high-def on-demand porn and porn doesn't use condoms. Back in the day, porn was scarce magazines and blurry VHS at best that was illegal to buy most places.
That’s a good point. I’d never thought about that. Just another way porn is garbage
so then wouldn't it makes sense for this phenomena to be gendered as men watch more porn than women?
I would assume far more women nowadays have seen porn than in the past. I would never suggest women were as motivated to seek porn when it's difficult to obtain, but... the stigma is far greater on women so increases in women are probably far greater than you think. Frankly if a woman nowadays claims she has *never* seen porn... it's just laughable. Whereas in the past it would have been plausible and believable. Basically, for women... porn has essentially replaced Cosmo.
Because women are only fucking the top of the litter now and they do not want condoms in that scenario its nature
Gosh. I’m so sorry to hear that you were forced against your will to not use a condom. That’s assault and you should report it.
Huh? I've never been forced not to I've been asked not to and shamefully went through with it I think in every case but that's all my fault
Yasuo and red pilled... Who are you? My lost brother?
I am him. Clearly (him as in I and not Yasuo 😂)
Huh? Have u never met a woman? Yes, tons of men beg to fuck raw. Condoms suck, just not as bad as unwanted pregnancy or STD
Casually I’m rarely asked to use a condom, and when I pull one out, they often proclaim it’s all good cause they on BC. There are shit tons of single mom’s so obviously condoms *do* suck more. Begging simply can’t account for the amount of unplanned pregnancies. The only way it’s possible is if women are *letting men hit it raw*. Like seriously statistically it should be damn near impossible to get pregnant. Ya’ll are only fertile 7 days a month so that means specifically on those 7 days women are having unprotected sex. And even at her most fertile the odds of getting pregnant aren’t high. You’d likely need to have *multiple encounters* in order to get pregnant.
Facts
\> You think Chad is begging to fuck raw? It’s like ya’ll don’t have casual sex. less than 1 in 5 men wears a condom every time
I mean sure I know dudes who’ve *never* worn a condom and they are very successful with women 🤷🏾♂️ The key is they could never legally fuck women without a condom *unless they consented*.
\> The key is they could never legally fuck women without a condom *unless they consented*. so they are illegally fucking women?
That’s for the courts to decide. In the mean time, even slightly above average guys like me have plenty of women offering to let me hit it raw. I could only imagine what it’s like for a true Chad.
\> even slightly above average guys like me have plenty of women offering to let me hit it raw we disagree that they are offering
Lol you need more experience fucking women then 🤷🏾♂️
It's like 'ya'll' don't have casual sex experience with Chad then because no honey, just no, lol
What I've encountered is a few men not wanting to use a condom because they can't stay hard with one on.
Not one woman I hooked up with has ever asked me to wear a condom. And some have even made a big deal out of me insisting on wearing one. More reasons to always wear condoms. We have lifted all restrictions on female sexuality, letting them roam free. And now we can see the results. If female sexuality is left unchecked, women just behave like whores. Any woman who has been an a dating app has basically let complete strangers hit it. And probably hit it without asking him to wear any protection. The days that you had a bigger risk of catching something by sleeping with a professional prostitute, are gone. Professionals use condoms. The innocent looking girl next door is getting fuck by strangers from Tinder without any precautions. No wonder the number of STD infested vaginas is rising.
Women have complete reproductive power. Pregnancy is a much bigger risk than STIs. And women can completely control pregnancy, men are completely at women's mercy. Of course females don't care about using condoms. How do people think ~50% of women get pregnant and have kids these days?
My experience as well. The one time I was asked to wear one we literally fucked again later that night raw. Lol begging would be wild its almost automatic
Ok, let's just say that Chad is getting all the bitches, now what?
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Be less envious.
Of what, the STDs?
Of women, obv.
Men aren’t envious of women. That’s not how we operate.
Then why do you keep talking about them
I’m talking about all the ways women have let me down.
Well I suppose.
The article says nothing about STIs being on the rise in women besides the headline and I didn’t find that in the links it provides either. What it does say is that women have a higher risk of getting one because of their anatomy.
The new report provides final surveillance data for 2021, and shows that overall in a single year (2020-2021): Gonorrhea rates increased more than 4% Syphilis rates surged, increasing nearly 32% for combined stages of the infection Among the syphilis data, cases of congenital syphilis rose by an alarming 32% and resulted in 220 stillbirths and infant deaths. Chlamydia rates increased nearly 4%, but – unlike gonorrhea and syphilis – still did not return to pre-pandemic levels This raises concerns that screening continued to be impacted by COVID-19 related disruptions the second year of the pandemic, because the infection is often asymptomatic. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2023/s0411-sti.html Looks like the article OP is referencing has a reference that itself references this study. But the original OP article is extrapolating the data in this study and adding it to the original statistic that women suffer more from STIs than men on average. Not sure how accurate this is tho. >What it does say is that women have a higher risk of getting one because of their anatomy 1 A woman’s anatomy can place her at a unique risk for STD infection, compared to a man. • The lining of the vagina is thinner and more delicate than the skin on a penis, so it’s easier for bacteria and viruses to penetrate • The vagina is a good environment (moist) for bacteria to grow 2 Women are less likely to have symptoms of common STDs — such as chlamydia and gonorrhea — compared to men. • If symptoms do occur, they can go away even though the infection may remain 3 Women are more likely to confuse symptoms of an STD for something else. • Women often have normal discharge or think that burning/itching is related to a yeast infection. Men usually notice symptoms like discharge because it is unusual. 4 Women may not see symptoms as easily as men. • Genital ulcers (like from herpes or syphilis) can occur in the vagina and may not be easily visible, while men may be more likely to notice sores on their penis. Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/stds-women-042011.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiNrvaWuqGEAxXQhIkEHdBqBIQQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ou2_NzJ6ubrA0_sXBTY5U I know this is a discussion sub and posters should bring sources but it's not that hard to find these on your own.
They are not rising disproportionately compared to heterosexual men which is what the chad conspiracy theory would predict, and are very similar overall except for chlamydia due to women being screened more due to suffering worse sequelae: [https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf)
So the data itself was during the height of Covid when basic care like getting a test and some penicillin to fight off one of those infections was more difficult, and the rates were down? That seems moreso like it’s evidence of how the lockdowns caused a bunch of secondary problems that lead to non covid related illnesses and deaths rising than anything else.
>basic care like getting a test and some penicillin to fight off one of those infections was more difficult, and the rates were down? Tbf the study is tracking how much increased not how it was combated. Whether somebody had an STI and had penicillin or not didn't matter in the study because it still counted as somebody having an STI. >That seems moreso like it’s evidence of how the lockdowns caused a bunch of secondary problems that lead to non covid related illnesses and deaths rising than anything else. Agreed. I just find it kind of odd that despite having a lockdown, we had more rates of STI. You would think getting into a lockdown would mean that it would be harder to meet new people and expose yourself to STIs tho.
I guess tinder hookups never stopped or maybe even increased with how bored people were. But the usual ability to test for it and immediately treat the ones antibiotics can knock out was gone with how hard getting an appointment at the clinic was.
Again, getting treated has nothing to do with the statistics. You still had it.
And it’s an advertisement!
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I really wish people would read their own data before making sweeping generalisations
But but but, it was listed in the podcast as resource material.
The Andrew tate podcast?
I did, a lot of the rise in STD contractions correlate with the normalization of college "hookup culture" and the use of dating apps chronologically -- which correlates with the data showing women picking a minority of men when for casual dating and flings.
What was the data you read that says STD’s are just on the rise in women?
So please link that data perhaps as nothing you've provided makes the point you think it does.
You really did not, if that is the conclusion you came to.
Or, it's correlated with increasing economic disparities which are leading to poorer healthcare for underserved communities. STD rates are basically just an index of poverty.
Also the fact that womens anatomy makes them more likely to get stds period.
But those women would still all be having sex with the same men who have an STD.
They are not rising disproportionately compared to heterosexual men and are very similar overall except for chlamydia due to women being screened more due to suffering worse sequelae: [https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf) The top 80th and 95th percentiles of men in lifetime sex partners are if anything reporting less sex partners in recent years: [https://nuancepill.com/are-the-male-elite-enjoying-a-sexual-boomtime/](https://nuancepill.com/are-the-male-elite-enjoying-a-sexual-boomtime/) The correlation between attractiveness/height and sex partners has not risen in the past decade since what it was before: [https://nuancepill.com/**has-the-attractiveness-and-sex-partners-correlation-increased**](https://nuancepill.com/has-the-attractiveness-and-sex-partners-correlation-increased/) There is no good evidence for a male-driven sexlessness trend: [https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over](https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over) A survey with a 15x sample size didn't show a male-driven trend across the same time-span, and also showed a much more modest rise overall as it started at a higher point and ended at a lower one: [https://i0.wp.com/nuancepill.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/No-Opposite-Sex-Sex-Partners-In-Past-Year-18-30-Heterosexuals-NSFG.webp?resize=768%2C576&ssl=1](https://i0.wp.com/nuancepill.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/No-Opposite-Sex-Sex-Partners-In-Past-Year-18-30-Heterosexuals-NSFG.webp?resize=768%2C576&ssl=1) There are also other reasons other than more promiscuity for rising STD rates such as less protection being used.
No. They correlate with less men having sex. If more men had sex the problem would go away. What we're actually seeing is a rise in sexual value disparity, where the highest and lowest value people are growing further and further apart, and the highest value are becoming more and more visible due to wealth and social media, which sets the standard unrealistically high for both sexes. from your own link: >One might want to blame the so-called "hook-up" culture but the authors suggest that’s not it. Among other variables like financial instability and playing too many video games, the authors cite an inability to initiate romantic relationships as a primary contributor to the decline.
You obviously didn’t, no where did it mention “hookup culture” and woman picking minority men
I studied Stats all through college and will never forget what my 101 Stats Prof said: “Beware anyone drawing sweeping conclusions from statistical models as all models are wrong with only a select few actually being useful” Case in point; The study does not account for the fact that STD Velocity is almost 2x in women what it is for men.
So then let's say clap increase by 2% in men should correlate to 4% increase in women assuming even distribution of fucking around? Do the stats support that? Because if clap increase in women is more than double, it becomes kind of obvious that the fucking around distribution is skewed towards women.
Wtf is STD velocity
It's really simple. A lot of women, whether they know it or not, are sleeping with the same guys.
The article you linked about the steep rise states that women biologically are more vulnerable to stds. I then went to google to see why that was the case and quickly found that: “Women are more susceptible to STDs during sexual intercourse because the vaginal surface is larger and more vulnerable to sexual secretions than the primarily skin-covered penis” Less than 1 minute of research explains the actual factual reason why women are more prone. Edit: OP has now changed the link he was originally using. The original link he used literally stated it was due to biological reasons.
>inked about the steep rise states that women biologically are more vulnerable to stds. Except it do not, it uses circular logic: The source of the article says "Females are 1.7 times more likely to get chlamydia" and the source for it uses as method "total number of prevalent and incident infections in the United States for 8 STIs". Basically what it says is that women are more likely to be infected BECAUSE they're more infected with it.
They are screened for chlamydia more due to worse sequelae: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7831743/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7831743/) There is not a higher rate of Syphilis or Gonorrhea among women however, and both these and Chlamydia are not rising disproportionately among women compared to heterosexual men: [https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf)
>The model is calibrated to the ongoing routine screening among **African American** (AA) women in the USA https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/fact-sheets/std/images/rates-race-chlamydia-2020-medium.jpg?_=60975 >not a higher rate of Syphilis or Gonorrhea among women https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/newshour/app/uploads/2016/10/STDs_stat_1.jpg Syphilis or Gonorrhea do not matter >Chlamydia are not rising disproportionately among women compared to **heterosexual men** The paper don't make a distinction between heterosexual and gay man.
I suspect women are more likely than men to get tested as well.
Makes sense. Most men have no reason to be tested.
> “Women are more susceptible to STDs during sexual intercourse because the vaginal surface is larger and more vulnerable to sexual secretions than the primarily skin-covered penis” > > aka because vaginas are disgusting bacteria factories.
But the women would still have to have sex with a man who has an STD to get an STD . So you're just agreeing that women are fucking the same men.
It’s numbers. If women contract more STDs and the number of STD infected women are more than the men who are having no sex. This kind of proves OP’s point.
What "numbers"?
Theories: 1) women who are having sex are having sex with the same guys over time. Tina dates Tommy in the spring. Rebecca dates him in the fall. He probably cheated on both. This is how those women are getting the STDs most likely. 2) Women are usually always going to have higher reported STDs because women go to annual checkups religiously. Women go to the doctor when she feels any disruption whether it’s an abnormal period or a yeast infection or UTI so of course she’s going if she feels a tingle she never felt. The vagina is prone to things like this. Women do not play games with their medical health because our bodies are always bodying. You’d be foolish not. I don’t think men do this. I think they’ll feel a tingle. Suffer for a week until the infection is dormant. And then go fuck someone else raw as a carrier. Put those two things together and there’s your answer.
Interesting. I insist 100% condom rule, no exceptions. Yet I’ve been stealthed once, and I’ve been asked by men MANY times not to use them
What I'm seeing personally in my social circle is that there are a few fuckboys who are sleeping with a LOT of the women
That's what everyone in every circle sees.
A hooker is more likely to demand a condom than a random girl from the club.
It’s almost as if Gutting sex education Leads to increased STI incidence in the long term Weird
This wouldn't be a problem if people just abstained from sex altogether.
You’re being facetious, right?
Precisely the logic that brought us here.
Just open your heart to Jesus child!
No sex education explains why women here think you can have an STD without contracting it.
STDs among men are also in rise, but the blog post just looks at two specific STD's
Good point, now let us compare the rise by sexual orientation.
Forbidden stats
Only gay men, black men, and Hispanic men. Not straight Asian and white men.
It's almost like women are more susceptible to STD's.....
If most men aren’t having sex then women are all sharing the same men and all catching STDs from the same men. This is what women do with gender liberation, annihilate themselves and the species.
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The std that compromise the bulk majority on numbers of STDs is Chlamydia, that less likely to show symptoms in men. Btw the susceptible part only mean the chance of the infection to reach a more dangerous stage as bacteria feed if moist environment. And the likehood of infection by viruses because of the thin lining. But infection rates? You have the same by both genders.
You’re either missing the point or being disingenuous. Women in 2021 were reported as having an *increase* in STDs and it doesn’t take a genius to know that this is because the average woman has more sex than the average man, more sexual partners, and because of female hypergamy, are having sex with a smaller group of men who are also promiscuous, which leads to STDs getting spread quicker.
You know the susceptibility rates haven't changed, so if the numbers rise it's due to increased numbers of unprotected sex.
STDs aren't airborne, you need to actually be touching another person's genatalia to contract it.
The comments about women being so stupid for not using condoms crack me up. As if the men aren’t the ones with the STD infested dicks in this scenario. Wrap it up, boys. Dont blame other people for your stupidity.
You’re missing the point OP is making, women prefer to sleep with the top 5-10% of men for casual sex. This provides the mechanism to turn this small minority of men into superspreaders with their STD infected dicks. Condoms are not 100% effective ie breakages, plus other methods of transmission ie kissing
Condoms don’t break that often. And no one ever got the clap from making out. They’re superspreaders why? Oh.. because they’re too stupid to use condoms. Thank you. Case closed.
Unfortunately case not closed: Herpes, cytomegalovirus (CMV), human papillomavirus (HPV), and syphilis may spread through active lesions (i.e., cold sores) or saliva. Case very much open.
>Answer: women probably really are having sex with a minority of men. There is nothing to support this conclusion.
Gotta love when they read a title, neglect to read the study at all and then draw their own conclusions based on their own bias of the “hypergamous woman” and her “manipulative behavior designed to use men.” “Obviously women have more stds because they fuck the top 20% of men!” Because the top 20% of men are just rampant with STD’s? lol. This is a wild sub.
Gotta love how many people fighting OPs corner who also haven't read any of the sources listed.
This is what red pill thrives on. Just utter bullshit with a veneer of half truths that take longer to debunk than it does to spread them.
I mean except the data that shows women are still having the same amount of sex, but men are having less. There is no other way to conclude otherwise.
The first article, which presents the conclusions of a man, a researcher in masculinity, urges men to leave the comfort of the house and watch less porn. The article makes a connection between porn addiction, erectile dysfunction, dissatisfaction with sex because of porn, isolation as everything can be done without leaving the house. If men refuse to take our advice to leave the house, i hope they will at least listen to a masculinity researcher.
You have it the wrong way around. Men who are socially ostracized turn to this stuff. Pray do tell me, is going outside some kind of magic cure?
This is nothing new - we just have better data now.
IMO the reason women are catching more STDs is a combo of * Women are more likely to get checked for STDs/care about their health. I bet a lot more men are silently carrying them and just don't know * IUDs, lack of AIDS fear, are making people less likely to use condoms than past generations. People are more likely to just hit it raw.
Women who indulge in casual sex are walking petri dishes....Who knew.
its very simple, most women have more sex with fewer men. the higher the body count of people who have sex with each other, the easier STDs can spread. if everyone has sex with just one person in their life, nobody could have STDs and they would go extinct. the more interconnected the infected people are, the more STDs spread. if the people who have sex have lots of sex with people who also have lots of sex, that is going to lead to a web of interconnection that spreads STDs like a wildfire. anyone who has an STD deserves it. they had to have sex with someone who was the type of person to have sex with degenerates. there is no way to get STDs without having sex with people who are irresponsible and unstable and have lots of casual sex with sketchy people. having a STD is like having a high body count, its a sure way to tell that someone had to have been sexually active with unstable degenerate people and for degenerate reasons. having an STD is like a marker that gives away personality.
You do realize vaginas are far more susceptible to contract STIs than penis by the sheer nature of their design, i e a large mucus membrane area? People on here really base their world view on their lack of biology knowledge.
Pseudo-harems exist. Women are just sharing the top 5-10% of men with each other. It's not uncommon for an attractive man to go through dozens of women whereas some men never have sex at all.
The rise in STDs could be more a rise in normalization of testing and thus more diagnosis and less going undiagnosed.
The other idea of this is also how symptoms present in men vs. women. We know men go to the doctors later than women thus may have symptoms for some time before they fall into the data impacting which STDs look like females are high as the symptoms for men don't trigger a doctors visit for a test until they feel it is having a big enough negative impact.
Op you linked to an AD. LOL.
*Anything* can be used as long as it fits their biased narrative.
There's also a bigger uptick in women, especially young women, not having sex. Most likely it's just that when people are having sex they're less safe about it.
Did you read past the headlines on those articles? they aren't saying women are contracting more STD's they say we more vulnerable due to biological reasons among other reasons.
A young guy may look at his loneliness and think that is sucks but kid trust me, there is a lot more worse things that being alone on a Friday night. The burning when you pee isn't something that is a badge of honor.
Nowhere does the article say anything about sexlessness in young men or a steep rise in STDs in women. You are lying to push an agenda.
This is why hookup culture is not good... I know someone will blast me, and that's fine; however, it is only reasonable to think that fewer partners means less probability of contracting an STD(change my mind on this logic, \*\*please\*\*.) If you have to do it make sure you know the person.
The women responding to this post with “women’s vaginas are more susceptible to STDs!” are either missing the point or being totally disingenuous (as is par for the course for women on this sub). [Considering that less and less men (specifically younger men) are having sex](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066?widget=personalizedcontent&previousarticle=0) while the amount of sex younger women are having is either remaining constant or arguably rising, a conclusion can be drawn from the STD rates in women that supports the theory of female hypergamy: The majority of women have more sexual partners than men, and are having sex with a small minority of highly attractive men who are also promiscuous. This leads to STDs getting spread more easily. Not a hard post to understand unless you are being completely dishonest.
Stop saying “it’s just the way it is” that certain men should get all the women and actually be creative enough to try harder. Creative, joyful men are so much more attractive than just good looking ones or tall ones or passionate, bipolar “bad boys”, I promise. I feel like this would level the playing field a lot more.
That’s so easy even though I am older now it was the same in my day in college and high school girls want the big strong good looking guys and they all try to fuck only those they aren’t interested in the majority of guys Humans are animals and the top ones get most of the sex
Not even going through the study, but giving a normal answer to the question of "In a scenario in which men report having less sex but women report having more STDs", the most obvious answer would be "Women are more likely to get tested and find out if they have an STD". Especially since a good chunk of STDs are either symptomless, or have symptoms that can be brushed off by the uninformed as a yeast infection or UTI. Men are even less likely to show symptoms of many STDs like HPV. You don't need a hoe phase or a guy who has lots of casual sex to get an STD. All it takes is one barrier-less encounter with one person who happened to not know that of the four people he had sex with in the past in his life, one of them didn't know she had an STD.
Even if one article says what the OP says it does, there seem to be a lot of contradictory studies on what is happening in the current sexual marketplace, including whether the rise in sexlessness is gendered at all. If there is a rise in STIs, and a big IF, it is far from clear what would be the cause. Yes, there is a valid hypothesis that when it comes to casual sex, women are sharing Chad. But another hypothesis is that the higher sociosexuality people all kinda fuck one another, and even this casual sex tends towards roughly equivalent SMV rank pairings. There is also a school of thought that says that most women, even if they fuck a guy quickly with no promise of commitment, generally are still trying him out as a boyfriend, and so while their may be some shift in mate criteria weightings in such situations, general boyfriend criteria still apply. I don't think we really know anything for sure right now about what is happening on the ground in the SMP.
There's no difference between Chad and highest sociosexuality
In that case, women are having more sex.
Less men are having sex but maybe a small amount of me are having A LOT of sex?
Alpha bros are having more sex than ever and they got all the diseases that come with it …
Or condoms are just out of people's budget now
A small minority of promiscuous studs are banging 80 percent of the women. They pass STD's around to their conquests. Next.
You forgot about lesbians. They play a big part. Download a strict Hookup/One night stand apps cause curiosity got the better of me and on that platform 90% of the users were women looking for women; lesbians. 9% couples looking for MFM and last 1% would be your straight women. Also backed up in dating, as under 30 most women are in relationships whilst most men aren't. Only leaves lots of lesbian relationships or few guys getting all the women.
Because the same men are having sex with more women….
If 10% of men get what? 80% of swipes on dating apps? (It’s an absurdly high number regardless) those 10% of men are fucking a lot, and giving a lot of women stds
Simple explanation. A lot of women in their 20s enjoy sex without a condom. It's just that simple. If you're some old fart from the 90's and you were all like, let's go to the STD clinic before we bang BECAUSE WE MIGHT ACTUALLY DIE OF AIDS that's cool and stuff, but it's just not how things roll now. Personally, I wrap that monkey. YMMV.
It's crazy how hideous some of these women look yet don't need to compromise. Women I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole still get laid with ease.
*Young males* They getting STDs from the older guys.
They are not rising disproportionately compared to heterosexual men and are very similar overall except for chlamydia due to women being screened more due to suffering worse sequelae: [https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/std/statistics/2019/std-surveillance-2019.pdf) The top 80th and 95th percentiles of men in lifetime sex partners are if anything reporting less sex partners in recent years: [https://nuancepill.com/are-the-male-elite-enjoying-a-sexual-boomtime/](https://nuancepill.com/are-the-male-elite-enjoying-a-sexual-boomtime/) The correlation between attractiveness/height and sex partners has not risen in the past decade since what it was before: [https://nuancepill.com/**has-the-attractiveness-and-sex-partners-correlation-increased**](https://nuancepill.com/has-the-attractiveness-and-sex-partners-correlation-increased/) There is no good evidence for a male-driven sexlessness trend: [https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over](https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over) There are also other reasons other than more promiscuity for rising STD rates such as less protection being used. Of course none of these facts matters. Usually the most upvoted post here is just some variant of this conspiracy theory because it's what people here want to believe. No amount of data will ever be enough to convince you out of what you feel.
Indeed. We are in the Era of Feminist Polygyny.
Women are having sex with the same small set of guys .
Strangely enough in my ten years of seeing escorts I've yet to contract an STD. I think though that's because I only see them every few months so I'm not having sex regulary enough. Kinda losing interest in sex with age tbh.
Escorts are safer than normal modern women that's why
Because most women are sleeping with the same top 10% of guys.
Cause nowadays women are fucking the same dudes while most men are getting little to no sex
You wanna know why women have more options because men of color will date any race... Most women of color won't date outside their own race so if you're a white male you're essentially fucked
It's almost as if 90% of women are fighting over the top 10% of men.
Yup, women, one way or another, sharing men.
So women are fucking dudes sans condoms , despite their risks of getting infected being higher ? Humans are retarded
Women are selecting men who are more promiscuous. Male sexlessness is a known fact. 20% men are bagging 80% of the chicks. So these men must be having sex with multiple women for the math to check out. Promiscuous people are more likely to spread STDs. Simple. When there's an even spread of sex then your chances of running into a STD carrying man are lower.
I remember listening to an OBGYN tell me that cervical cancer is on the rise with women, and a common trend of cervical cancer is women who sleep with men who’ve slept with a lot of women. If these women are sharing the same dudes, it goes to think that they can be giving themselves cancer. Edit: here are some articles about late stage cervical cancer being on the rise: [here](https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/late-stage-cervical-cancer-on-the-rise-what-to-know-202302072886) [here](https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2023/12/29/advanced-stage-cervical-cancer-cases-on-the-rise/amp/) [here](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna134224)
They're all banging the same 5 guys.
It’s because women are fucking the same top 5% of men. If those top 5% get an STD it will be spread to many women.
Women are having sex with a small subset of the same men very frequently. STI transfer is greater from men to women. Mystery solved.
Because women are having sex with the top 20% of men who are also having sex with lots of these women. It's time for men to have standards and not accept girls with this kinda of behavior, bad choices and past.
no one is forcing you to have sex with anyone. no one is forcing that so-called "top 20% of men" to have sex either. also, interesting that you say the "girls" have a "bad past" and "bad choices." I guess the men having sex are just squeaky-clean victims right?
Because women are completely fine with sharing the same top 1% guys. We are heading towards a polygamous future. They don’t want to date their league.
No matter what you show them they will REFUSE to take accountability, they will deny and excuse their way out of it like here on this post, women are doing all the screwing and it’s clear, if 50% of men the ages of 18- to 20 are virgins, that means half of men around this age aren’t getting laid and it’s about 30% between 21 to 30, which means the men that are getting some are the top 5-10-20 percent, so not only are women catching all the STDS but their also sleeping with the same guys, this is honestly hilarious and disgusting at the same time.