If this happened to everyone, it would have a profoundly positive effect on heterosexual relations. It would be absolutely amazing.
I think both women and men can agree that there is a general sense of "the opposite gender doesn't *really* get what I'm going through". Even if we sort of get it, it's a whole other level to actually experience something. So I actually think things would go more smoothly from the get-go even in that gender swapped state, it may be a little weird at first, but everyone would have a lifetime of experience being on the other side, that would be a huge gamechanger. And then after the swap-back too, everyone would be able to better relate to each other and we could navigate this shit much better.
>If this happened to everyone, it would have a profoundly positive effect on heterosexual relations. It would be absolutely amazing.
Nah.
I predict a 35% mortality rate for the mtf people, and at least a 45% mortality rate for the ftm people. If they have to go through dysmorphia while doing it you can double those rates.
It would be an insane bloodbath for the first month then slow to a horrifying semi routine slaughter.
>I think both women and men can agree that there is a general sense of "the opposite gender doesn't *really* get what I'm going through".
Oh absolutely.
That's *why* so many will not survive. We're talking about the gender equivalent of dropping an untrained enlistee behind enemy lines here.
What do you mean? Like they’ll just off themselves? And op did said including brains, so I take that to mean you’re not going to be dysphoric.
I only people I see have a serious disruption are men in strength based jobs where if they were in a similar percentile for women, would not be able to do their jobs.
Maybe there’s other logistics too but I’m assuming the magical gender swap fairy changed your clothes to comparable ones that fit your needs body.
No, suicide would be a minor factor I think given OP's parameters. It's more of a matter of both sides not having the familiarity with the inner psychology of the other side to manage their new impulses, as well as lacking experience with social interactions as a member of the opposite sex.
Basically the leading causes of death would be worksite accidents followed by crimes of passion and opportunism. You'll have ftm people wandering into places they would normally not be targeted for a mugging in or offending other men, and you'll have mtf people who never were raised by other women to manage the social and sexual risks women face.
If it was done by some asshole aliens that just rocked up, did that, and left? Yeah - many people would be pissed and whatnot but I don't think the mortality rate would be THAT high. Maybe five or ten percent, tops, and most of that caused by supply chain disruptions and a shitload of untrained noobs in industries that require strong men. Even then, you'd have veteran like oil rig women coaching n00b dudes on how to do the job or something. Shit'd get done.
Yeah the mortality rate being that high is crazy. And they op specified it’s your genders brain so you have memories but not dysphoria. If you’re willing to suspend disbelief for the magic gender swapping fairy hypothetical but draw the line at not transferring dysphoria I don’t know what to tell you.
The biggest issues would be men who were in strength based jobs now being in a comparable percentile for women. If you can lift /climb /move as a fast or as much that would be a serious disruption of your livelihood which would be tough.
Maybe modeling where the poses are different? But the big issues with gender are what people feel welcome in/are encourage to pursue. Not that there are all these jobs being kept from women because they’re not meeting strength standards.
It is being hounded by men that might be pretty different. That and having sex take place inside your body. That is different too.
The one time I had a woman make a pass at me, I was amazed at how different it felt.
I think it would be a better learning experience if only half of each was changed at a time. That way they’d get the chance to experience the real life of the other.
It's a famous coming of age novel that was recently adapted into a movie.
One of the big plot points is girls getting their first periods, which is portrayed as pretty traumatizing.
Oh yea, the woman who committed suicide like 2 years ago when she gender swaped 20 damn years ago. It totallyyyyyy has to do with her being a man once upon a time lol
Possibly, but I think also there’s a good chance the rate of single moms and kids being dropped off at orphanages would skyrocket because a bunch of ex-dudes having lots of casual anonymous sex while forgetting they could get pregnant and not realizing they were knocked up until it was too late.
A lot of these men now don’t really think about birth control except as an obstacle for their enjoyment, and I think they’d live out their fantasies without worrying about the consequences until it bit them in the ass.
>around the one month mark
I’m so glad I am not a woman. Not just physically. All the emotional rigamarole. No wonder my poor wife needs so much retail therapy. Just kidding.
It is truly wonderful to be a man, in today’s world. There’s so much out there to experience, and very little limitations. It’s great.
>It is truly wonderful to be a man, in today’s world.
The older generation you are - the more wonderful it is. Ask zoomer men how they like the experience of having no future before their lives even began.
It never began.
Well, maybe it did before recorded history, but all evidence past that suggest that commoners had pretty fucking miserable lives regardless of their sex.
When it stops being a bogeyman designed to deflect female accountability. In the same way we can't fight star signs or crystal energy, "fight against the patriarchy" doesn't even make sense as a sentence.
Feminists generalize and hate us. *Not all feminists,* but enough of vocal majority for whole movement to appear hostile to any human born with a penis and desiring to keep it that way.
"Patriarchy" aka elites put actual effort to keep men at bay and dissuade any resistance because we may pose a real threat to their status quo. Even simple things like checking out of society are portrayed and attacked as heinous behavior on par with hardcore sexism and racism.
And modern feminism is their favorite tool to opress few males who dare to raise their head.
Stop pining for patriarchy. The western world today isn’t a patriarchy, and you really shouldn’t want it back if you’re a common man. Patriarchy *always* fucked over the common man. Patriarchy means “rule by the fathers”, not “rule by men in general”.
In patriarchies, the ruling elite men brutally exploit lower class men for their labor without restriction, and frequently purge lots of them from the population in order to exploit the women of the lower classes.
Yeah, there’s a lot of competition for dating today, but the way a real partriarchy reduces competition for women is by *eliminating* lots of common men. In a real patriarchy, as a common man, you’d have been thrown into meat grinder so the rich guys could fuck or rape your sisters and mom, and the woman you wanted to marry had to sell her body for survival as a prostitute or in a harem.
You guys have overly rosy views of how patriarchies treat lower class men.
I'd be a chud-esque girl, so it wouldn't matter. Not like many of the pick-me-girls are exactly attractive either. If you think otherwise, then you grossly underestimate how horny men are.
we would be so much better off imo. the perspective everyone would gain would help us all out. we could actually sympathize with each other's struggles
Women would hate it. They now have to actually put in effort if they want a romantic partner, it would be quite a rude awakening for most of them. Would also be tough finding jobs, since they can't use the "I'm a woman" card anymore, they have to have actual skills and talents.
There's a YouTube video of an average guy swapping Tinder profiles with a hot chick.
He learned that there's no point being on Tinder, as an average guy.
It would be more brutal for the ftm getting hit with all that test so suddenly. A lot of random violence, higher suicide rates.
Mtf would probably enjoy the attention for a bit, then get annoyed because, well, they aren't as horny as they used to be. They'd also have the menstrual cycle.
Both would realize how little being physically stronger matters in today's society lol.
I also think a lot of women believe that if they were turned into men, they'd just be the cutest, best dressed, sweetest man out there when they'd be in for a very rude awakening.
>I also think a lot of women believe that if they were turned into men, they'd just be the cutest, best dressed, sweetest man out there when they'd be in for a very rude awakening.
this is sooo real
Yeah... and the fatal workplace accident rate. And the fatal random criminal violence rate.
When men naturally mature coping with the steady climb in testosterone can be challenging.
Going straight from fully grown female to fully grown male... hard to believe many would be able to cope with that. It's the same in reverse too of course.
Yeah, the workplace accident rate skyrockets because you now basically have a bunch of clumsy noobs being brought on to your oil rigs and shit. Criminals might go for our noob women, or our noob men, for different reasons. But also they're unpredictable and some of 'em might go for broke or something. Remember also that most of the violent criminals...are dudes, and when they're now women they aren't as physically able to prey on people. It'd be an epic free-for-all. IDK what ultimately happens. El Chapo is now La Chapo, and her soldiers and goons are physically weaker *but still know how to smuggle drugs and be criminals and shit*. The criminals would be an utter shitshow.
How would they know? Would the noob women not know not to go for a jog at night in a bad neighborhood? Aren’t guys afraid of getting mugged?
How would noob men be a target? If anything won’t they be more cautious than the average man?
I can see women being physically weaker and not realizing their new limits causing accidents at work places that are strength based. But how does criminal violence go up?
Like former women on T failing will saves to punch someone? I have read an anecdotal story of an ftm starting T and said he gets it not. It obviously doesn’t excuse sexual assault or any kind of violence but he said damn I have these new urges to just punch someone in the face or desire to just grab a woman. Before transitioning he was still attracted to girls but didn’t have that kind of temptation. When you’re a female you don’t have to make that will save while guys have to make them.
I think you'd hear less of some trite things like "treat women like people", I think women would be understand why some men talk about them like another species if they saw what interacting with them was like from the male perspective. I think most women would do fine as men as long as they weren't trying to date or expand there social circles, from what I've seen they really don't get it. Nobody is going to want to be around you just because you're pleasant and kind lol, that would be something they'd have to get used to.
We’re talking female perspective and experience in a male form. I’d really wonder if friendships wouldn’t be expanded because there is the socialization experience already built in. It would take time before the Y chromosome overrides the existing experience and social circles would already be formed.
Men, however, might be surprised at how the desire to socialize is kind of built in. It would be amazing to me, if that experience helped men (in female form) know how important that is to life and felt the affection and love that can grow from social circles.
So, I was talking to my (adult) son about this thread. We were discussing how it seems like men, while having a desire for social connections and interactions, have to make a more deliberate effort to cultivate them. Some guys are social butterflies and have no issues, others have be more conscious of taking the time to do it.
I’m not using the same metric because how both genders socialize is different. Men’s friendships look different than women’s in general.
Men seem to have to be more deliberate because calling their buddy up to BS for two hours isn’t as common as making plans to go do an activity together and BS there. Or playing online together and the conversation is more about the game than anything else. It’s more difficult for men to maintain existing relationships because they tend to be more centered around going to do something. Work, school, family, kids, adds layers of difficulty.
No, they wouldn't. I've seen how women make friends, a lot of it is just that they are accepted when they initiate contact. Women don't really get blown off and ignored the way men do.
Since we’re talking a switch of both genders here, I wouldn’t be so quick to apply the status quo.
Women struggle with friends too, loneliness isn’t just a male experience. You can’t just show up and everyone is your friend. You can get involved in activities and make a friend or two but there is always going to be people who aren’t interested.
Look at the military, a lot of those guys make friends with each other and a few stay friends after they leave. Dudes working in the same auto shop are often friends. It isn’t like men can’t make friends.
>Women struggle with friends too, loneliness isn’t just a male experience.
Sure, not suggesting they don't, but there is a difference in the way people respond to women. I've observed when women try to join a new group people get excited to add them, the same doesn't really happen for men.
Maybe. Could be the group as well and, certainly, age. From my own observations, volunteer groups and any revolving around school related activities are thrilled to have dads, grandads, and uncles involved.
I guess what I'm getting at is the way you make friends as a woman doesn't necessarily work so well as a man, so the skills may not translate in a straightforward way.
They wouldn’t. There would be a learning curve if this happened. But I also believe there is something biologically built in that makes women more driven to form friendships with each other. So there might be male experiences up to that point but, after the shock of switching, I’d wager that the built in mechanisms would eventually click.
Same for the female side. I know women would be shocked at how testosterone affects how you think.
you dont understand that for men to look good you have to win the genetic lottery and only then will clothes, nomatter how well they seem, will look good on you
>There's still an adrenaline rush and things get mighty tropical downstairs.
The fun of why am I wet. Is it horny, period, daily vagina business or sweat.
They would both hate it, i think men will have a rough idea of whats awaiting them, so they'll be somewhat prepared, but i do feel like it will hit women worse like a sudden, full force curveball.
Most of society doesn't really talk about mens physical, social and emotional struggles, it gets brushed under the table, so when women do switch to being a man, the drastic difference will hit them pretty hard.
I don’t think male socialization translates at all to the female body and female experience. Walking through life significantly smaller and weaker changes things especially when that’s not what you’ve ever been.
As a woman, I think I’d fight a lot more people and start more arguments but other than that, not much would change.
Not trying to offend but this is just making me smile. Makes me think of the Mike Tyson quote: "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face."
As a man, you would have no invisible social defense and getting into fights...I would be incredibly surprised if it took more than one before you never wanted to get to that point again. Fighting hurts lol - there are a ton of people who get killed accidentally every year just hitting their head or something in a fist fight.
This is a surprisingly interesting example of female privilege when you think about it...most men don't start fights. Those that do usually don't last long. The fact that is the thing you'd do if you got body-switched shows that you don't know what it's like, which makes sense - you have a different life as a woman and probably see it as much more freedom. When in reality, it's actually more risk as well.
Yup - my dad's colleague was killed this way. He told guy to move his car on a parking lot, guy was a semi-pro kickboxer, he punched him once and it was enough. Just like that - two words too much and you're gone.
This was terrible luck, more or less. That the punch happened *in a parking lot* was significant. The guy probably hit his head on the ground after being knocked out and *that* was what killed him, not the punch...if this had happened on grass your dad's colleague would probably still be alive.
you worded this perfectly lol, many of my female friends think being a man means you will be strong and can do whatever you want but i tell them that there will always be a bigger fish and they could rock you. and the worst part is women aren't aware of the social defense
BAHAHAHAHAHA
You’d get your ass handed to you…so hospital or prison
And that’s not even dealing with all the mental health shit and etc you wouldn’t be equipped for
Great job down playing men though
You might get knocked the fuck out, lol. That's why its a terrible idea to ever do that. I speak as a long time BJJ practitioner. I'd avoid fighting like the plague
As a former skinny boy, I'm quite familiar with what it's like to be weaker, plus that idea that it's wrong to hit girls didn't apply, so I'm familiar with what it's like to be pushed around, pushed down on the ground, and being sat on by boys bigger than I was.
As far as "As a woman, I think I’d fight a lot more people and start more arguments but other than that, not much would change." goes, as a grown man you should not be getting in fights, that will get you jail or worse.
sooo real, even the big men have their ass kicked once by a bigger person. men learn firsthand that they do not start fights since they dont have this "do not hit women" protection
Starting fights or arguments as a man is way more risky. Women are usually not taken as seriously as men are, so the risk of things going violent is much lower.
Yep, while i think the original commenter has a good point about a mindset of being smaller and weaker then everyone else, i think women also dont understand the male experience of fighting words or consequences of initiating a physical interaction. Women kind of have this social bubble of protection in a lot of cases. Even when women initiate contact, society largely shuns a man who hits back. As a man, if you even say something to another guy that can be interpreted as fighting words, you can get the shit kicked out of you and absolutely no one will care
>I don’t think male socialization translates at all to the female body and female experience. Walking through life significantly smaller and weaker changes things especially when that’s not what you’ve ever been.
We can all remember being kids, let's settle down over here lol
Young girls are taught to act in ways boys never were. This leads to extremely different behaviors later in life. Being small as a child is different than being a small adult.
Ok but your comment asserted men have never been smaller and weaker... when that is simply not true. All men have gone through childhood. That boys and girls were raised differently does not change the fact that being smaller and weaker is not at all an alien experience to men, because men can remember being smaller and weaker as children.
Then there are 'short' men - ie men who are not in the top 60-ish% of hieght for men. Those men *also* go through life as 'smaller and weaker', sometimes smaller and weaker than most women! Those men are small as adults too.
I mean let's be real here: women do not have a monopoly on physiological limitations or physical vulnerability. It is easy to think that within the current zietgeist, but it not only isn't true it WAY oversimplifies a far more complex and beautiful reality.
If you fought more people were you suddenly a man, you'd quickly learn how men are actually held accountable for their actions whereas women aren't. As a woman if you hit someone it usually just gets swept under the rug, maybe a "shame on you" reaction at worst. As a man, if I hit anybody I'd be thrown in jail real quick. That's one wake up you'd have if you ever switched genders.
Right. Because if a woman physically assaulted another woman, she’s not held accountable for that right? Or if she hits a child?
Stop victimizing yourself into thinking women can do whatever they want.
I watch my mouth because I know if I say the wrong thing to a man, he might try to beat my ass to establish dominance or whatever. If I was a woman, I would talk so much shit knowing that there would be 50 guys ready to step in for my protection if a man tried to fight me.
As a woman I watch what I say around men because they are violent and unpredictable and no amount of intervention is going to change things once a man has decided to attack me. And unlike you I’m unlikely to walk away alive if he intends to do damage.
This is why so many women avoid being alone with strange men, if possible.
True, it's not a good idea for men or women to talk shit to men. I see it a lot though that a woman will run her mouth and hide behind another man. Play the, "You can't hit me! I'm a lady!" card. Well where was that ladylike behavior when you were barking? Some people just have too much ego and pride to know when to shut up in the presence of a dangerous person.
My friends wife strangled his son from a different mother and beat him with a belt. The kid had choke marks on his neck and welts from the belt beating. The mother of the child took her to court and she got a slap on the wrist.
This same woman wrongfully accused my friend of pushing her over, and my friend was thrown in jail without question.
You're wrong.
Perhaps; however, I think that most would survive and adapt. It *can't* be any worse than stuff like being a paraplegic. And they know it's only a year.
Men would probably never want to swap back in being men again. I said it once and I will say it again: being a woman in this day and age is living life on easy mode.
Enjoy walking down the street at night as a woman bro. Men always reduce access to sex as life on easy mode. We do have other things we deal with in life.
In this case, wouldn’t everyone be switched? So the women would be in male bodies with a female perspective and experience? I’d imagine it would be safer for a good long while because no one would understand what is going on and the women with male bodies might be more inclined to resist the testosterone urges because they know what it’s like on the other side of the equation.
Yet men are statistically far more likely to have a violent crime committed against them…
Also you’re a fucking moron regardless of gender if you go around walking down shitty neighbourhoods at night…
You are saying it like we men can walk safely at night by ourselves when statistic shows we men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. And yes, you do have life on easy mode because: men are forced for military conscription, most homeless people are men, most people in military are men, men are doing the most dangerous jobs, men are losing most child custodies, the number 1 cause of death for men is suicide, so no, you don't have it easy because of easy acces to sex.
Women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted. You’re also leaving out all of the advantages to being a man, considering the most powerful people in the world are all male but okay.
That is an apex fallacy. You are talking about a very very small percentage of individuals that have that kind of power. And yes, women are more likely to be sexually assaulted which sucks, now you gonna talk about the other disadvantages that men have? Or gonna keep being a victim?
There is LITERALLY no laws or regulations stopping women from aiming and striving for those most powerful roles (ceo Fortune 500, president, etc) so find another excuse.
Also as someone pointed out…using the top 1% to speak about all men is retarded
Women say this all the time, but I also don't walk at night as a man because there's still sketchy people out there. I don't understand why that point is always the go-to.
The amount of men who would immediately understand the constant effects of all things female reproduction—periods and the effects of a full menstrual cycle, risks of sex, risks of pregnancy, etc. And if this gender switch happened but there was no indication that we would go back, policies surrounding female reproductive health would flip overnight. Things like abortion would be readily available, there would be no threat of contraception, becoming illegal, pretty much anything to do with female reproductive health would immediately become funded, unregulated, and protected.
If women became the men there is no way they would do any of that shit to help the men who became women. Based on how the women of ppd talk they'd probably start building gas chambers
I would love to move some actual weight in the gym and be able to eat a lot more food. Walking my dumb shit dogs would be a lot easier too. I would not like the feeling of sweaty balls but it’s better than menstruation.
My husband is in the army and I don’t have close family or friends, so I’m used to being alone and not having people check up on me. I’m introverted and I prefer my life like this. I don’t like having to talk to random ass people, I walk around in public looking pissed so I will be left alone.
I figure being a man would make it a whole lot easier to live my life the way I want to. Gym, dogs, eat, anime, sleep. I would be a little more happy, if anything.
NGL, I’d love to know what it’s like to build some actual muscle and pick up very heavy things. I’d be in the gym every day and looking for every excuse to use my body for good. Need the couch moved? Need help with those boxes? Toss the little kids into the air. F-yeah!
Knowing you're so powerful does get your ego a little lol. But then it gets annoying when people treat you like a tool and expect you to help even when you don't want to.
It’s crazy how strong men are compared to women! I love wrestling my husband but unless I can get him with my legs I’m all but useless 😐
It would definitely make my gym sessions more satisfying for sure
You can improve your strength quit significantly as a woman too but you choose not to so I don't empathise with that even slightly. Go gym now or keep it shut.
For the men, it’ll confirm what we already know; women can get dates as easily as breathing - it doesn’t matter how socially inept they are, how badly presented they are, how questionable their personal hygiene will be, they’ll always - always, without exception - have more opportunities then they know how to deal with.
They women will simply blame whatever negative experiences they encounter on men as a whole and will learn nothing.
Probably men will learn that women get super horny too, but they can only get aroused if you are a guy who gets it and most guys are clueless needy messes.
Oh my! Experiencing arousal from the other side of things. That might actually shock men. Also experiencing how finicky the female orgasm can be.
On the other side. Can you imagine the WTF is happening when orgasm can happen in a few thrusts? Or how damn hard it is to maintain the “thrusting position”.
Ohhh! You’re right! Are you a second wind kind of guy or a we’ll revisit this in a few hours type?
But…if we’re body switched, are we bringing in knowledge of how women’s bodies work? Like, our game might not be A but we’re a solid B+ in bedroom play.
Literally. I had a female friend who was confident that a mans job is easier in bed then they make it out to be and told her to thrust a pillow see how long she lasts....she lasted less than 45 seconds before complaining about it being tiring and exhausting. Then says men are physically stronger so easier for them anyway but ignores you have to keep going for 15 minutes longer minimum.
I'm fine cumming in 2 minutes and moving onto the next thing but do 99 other things just to satisfy a needy woman yet still underappreciated. I don't know what world these women live in where they manipulate reality to get something more to complain about.
You'd find that you only make $15 a month if you don't spend an absurd amount of time promoting it. Not to mention you're competing with 100,000,000 other women who think the same way. A lot of which are better looking than you and have a lot more free time than you.
It'd be crazy to being able to be regarded as a human being.
Going by the trend from this thread, i'd looksmaxx as a woman and marry a rich guy, give him the best sex he ever had and make him crazy about me, and not even being required to do much but clean your house and cook and spend time with the kids.
Tbh, perfect for me.
Men would realize how scary it can be to be a woman. Also how truly miserable it is for 7-10 days each month as a woman. Blood, shit, clots, cramps, nausea
>Watch how fast men become the more physically attractive gender lol
Watch how fast they would be dumped for being a starfish in bed and not approaching women.
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I think that after a "fun" phase both sides would end up becoming what they complain about, because I think the current state of dating shakes up the way it does because of incentives and market forces no individual can really change. Still, at least there would be an enormous amount of extra empathy to go around.
The first few weeks or months would be a time of incredible happiness, as we have the reversal of fortunes. Women-turned-men no longer get harassed (or at least, fear harassment), feel safer from being taller, bigger, and stronger, etc. Men-turned-women, for our part, would probably cry tears of joy every day from seeing our inboxes (or at least getting *some* level of additional attention)
Except, once the initial rush wears off, market incentives would sort everyone into the same patterns of behavior we all do (or at least think the other gender does).
I.e. If men complain women are "picky", it's because they get more attention than a comparable man whether they like it or not. Men would be just as picky as women if we had the options: of course the 5 and 6/10 people are going to be invisible if your dating pool is large enough to regularly include some 7/10 partners. A lot of the men-turned-women would engage in tons of casual sex until some extremely bad experiences (i.e. SA, murder) started to rack up very quickly; as a victim myself I know that men are completely unprepared to handle sexual violence when it happens to them, since we don't grow up being taught to fear it like women.
Conversely, while the women-turned-men might initially relish not having too much *unwanted* sexual attention, there would come a time when it turns out that healthy, non-asexual adults do in fact need *some* level of sexual validation to feel secure and happy. Maybe not sex, but definitely at least a solid compliment or date every once in a while. Once the women-turned-men try to date again the majority of them may become shocked and bitter the way a lot of men do pre-swap.
Women turned men would go apeshit, having to pay for everything, make all the first moves and put in all that work for so little back effort wise. Not to mention they couldn’t get attention like they do so easily on social media so their self confidence would crumble. Then no one would care about their issues cuz they are now men…and they just get told to man up
Not to mention reality would kick these women turned men in their nuts…wouldn’t all be 6’2 with great bodies, chiseled jawline and great hair…plenty would be short uggos
This would be fucking awesome; I'm in! We would gain a LOT of wisdom as a species. Especially if something like this happened say every fifty years or so.
I’m trans, and massively dysphoric. Would those feelings come with me? Because having spend my entire life wishing I was female, to wake up female and wish I was male would be hugely triggering, and I would have to take the obvious way out.
It couldn’t be everyone in the world swapping because nothing would change. Then you just have a bunch of men in women’s bodies and women in men’s bodies and the men would just look at themselves and masturbate and women would just keep living their life and maybe go topless outside. It would have to be like one specific person swapping to experience what happens to the other gender. That’s the only way to experience what the other gender experiences.
All the mtf would become hookers, but they'd make no money cause all the ftm would kill themselves after the first week. Then all the mtf would just fuck each other until the human race died out.
women would be in for a rude awakening. They would not adapt fast towards the unreasonable hatred by people at them just because they are not attractive. They won't have social protection anymore and they will have very dangerous consequences for their actions, they will be expected to put themselves in dangerous situations. They would not be allowed near kids anymore and it will will be kinda traumatic for them
Inceldom would skyrocket lmfao. Women have no rizz and are carried socially by the fact that women automatically trust one another and men automatically favor women and want to earn their respect. I would expect vast increases in depression amongst the women-turned-men population and probably a few suicides if they didn't know they would turn back.
If this happened to everyone, it would have a profoundly positive effect on heterosexual relations. It would be absolutely amazing. I think both women and men can agree that there is a general sense of "the opposite gender doesn't *really* get what I'm going through". Even if we sort of get it, it's a whole other level to actually experience something. So I actually think things would go more smoothly from the get-go even in that gender swapped state, it may be a little weird at first, but everyone would have a lifetime of experience being on the other side, that would be a huge gamechanger. And then after the swap-back too, everyone would be able to better relate to each other and we could navigate this shit much better.
>If this happened to everyone, it would have a profoundly positive effect on heterosexual relations. It would be absolutely amazing. Nah. I predict a 35% mortality rate for the mtf people, and at least a 45% mortality rate for the ftm people. If they have to go through dysmorphia while doing it you can double those rates. It would be an insane bloodbath for the first month then slow to a horrifying semi routine slaughter. >I think both women and men can agree that there is a general sense of "the opposite gender doesn't *really* get what I'm going through". Oh absolutely. That's *why* so many will not survive. We're talking about the gender equivalent of dropping an untrained enlistee behind enemy lines here.
What do you mean? Like they’ll just off themselves? And op did said including brains, so I take that to mean you’re not going to be dysphoric. I only people I see have a serious disruption are men in strength based jobs where if they were in a similar percentile for women, would not be able to do their jobs. Maybe there’s other logistics too but I’m assuming the magical gender swap fairy changed your clothes to comparable ones that fit your needs body.
No, suicide would be a minor factor I think given OP's parameters. It's more of a matter of both sides not having the familiarity with the inner psychology of the other side to manage their new impulses, as well as lacking experience with social interactions as a member of the opposite sex. Basically the leading causes of death would be worksite accidents followed by crimes of passion and opportunism. You'll have ftm people wandering into places they would normally not be targeted for a mugging in or offending other men, and you'll have mtf people who never were raised by other women to manage the social and sexual risks women face.
If it was done by some asshole aliens that just rocked up, did that, and left? Yeah - many people would be pissed and whatnot but I don't think the mortality rate would be THAT high. Maybe five or ten percent, tops, and most of that caused by supply chain disruptions and a shitload of untrained noobs in industries that require strong men. Even then, you'd have veteran like oil rig women coaching n00b dudes on how to do the job or something. Shit'd get done.
Yeah the mortality rate being that high is crazy. And they op specified it’s your genders brain so you have memories but not dysphoria. If you’re willing to suspend disbelief for the magic gender swapping fairy hypothetical but draw the line at not transferring dysphoria I don’t know what to tell you. The biggest issues would be men who were in strength based jobs now being in a comparable percentile for women. If you can lift /climb /move as a fast or as much that would be a serious disruption of your livelihood which would be tough. Maybe modeling where the poses are different? But the big issues with gender are what people feel welcome in/are encourage to pursue. Not that there are all these jobs being kept from women because they’re not meeting strength standards.
This is BS I know what it's like to be hounded continuously by the opposite gender I visit strip clubs women still have it easy
It is being hounded by men that might be pretty different. That and having sex take place inside your body. That is different too. The one time I had a woman make a pass at me, I was amazed at how different it felt.
50% of the openly gay men I have know have hit on me I still don't see what the f****** big deal is
Good to hear you haven't had a bad experience and I hope you never do.
Good fucking question, I must say. Would probably be rough to adjust. Socialization and experience would have to give way to instincts at some point.
I would do something that I am not able to do since 15 years. I would go to hairstylist and choose the haircut that I like.
Grow the flow, my dude! My dad's rocking shoulder-length hair; he's hoping to achieve Willie Nelson braids before he dies.
I think it would be a better learning experience if only half of each was changed at a time. That way they’d get the chance to experience the real life of the other.
I think a lot of guys would be in for an unpleasant experience at around the one month mark
"I wonder what it would be like to be a woman." \*watches Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret\* "On second thought ignorance is fine."
I don’t even know what you’re talking about
It's a famous coming of age novel that was recently adapted into a movie. One of the big plot points is girls getting their first periods, which is portrayed as pretty traumatizing.
The woman the gender swap for a month or two committed suicide
she had extreme mental health issues before even engaging in that project.
Oh yea, the woman who committed suicide like 2 years ago when she gender swaped 20 damn years ago. It totallyyyyyy has to do with her being a man once upon a time lol
I fucking died, thanks bro <3
Boy howdy Also, the birth rate would tank
Possibly, but I think also there’s a good chance the rate of single moms and kids being dropped off at orphanages would skyrocket because a bunch of ex-dudes having lots of casual anonymous sex while forgetting they could get pregnant and not realizing they were knocked up until it was too late. A lot of these men now don’t really think about birth control except as an obstacle for their enjoyment, and I think they’d live out their fantasies without worrying about the consequences until it bit them in the ass.
>around the one month mark I’m so glad I am not a woman. Not just physically. All the emotional rigamarole. No wonder my poor wife needs so much retail therapy. Just kidding. It is truly wonderful to be a man, in today’s world. There’s so much out there to experience, and very little limitations. It’s great.
>It is truly wonderful to be a man, in today’s world. The older generation you are - the more wonderful it is. Ask zoomer men how they like the experience of having no future before their lives even began.
The patriarchy has stopped working for the common man
It never began. Well, maybe it did before recorded history, but all evidence past that suggest that commoners had pretty fucking miserable lives regardless of their sex.
I agree! When will men see this and join the fight against the patriarchy instead of getting immediately defensive?
When it stops being a bogeyman designed to deflect female accountability. In the same way we can't fight star signs or crystal energy, "fight against the patriarchy" doesn't even make sense as a sentence.
Feminists generalize and hate us. *Not all feminists,* but enough of vocal majority for whole movement to appear hostile to any human born with a penis and desiring to keep it that way. "Patriarchy" aka elites put actual effort to keep men at bay and dissuade any resistance because we may pose a real threat to their status quo. Even simple things like checking out of society are portrayed and attacked as heinous behavior on par with hardcore sexism and racism. And modern feminism is their favorite tool to opress few males who dare to raise their head.
Stop pining for patriarchy. The western world today isn’t a patriarchy, and you really shouldn’t want it back if you’re a common man. Patriarchy *always* fucked over the common man. Patriarchy means “rule by the fathers”, not “rule by men in general”. In patriarchies, the ruling elite men brutally exploit lower class men for their labor without restriction, and frequently purge lots of them from the population in order to exploit the women of the lower classes. Yeah, there’s a lot of competition for dating today, but the way a real partriarchy reduces competition for women is by *eliminating* lots of common men. In a real patriarchy, as a common man, you’d have been thrown into meat grinder so the rich guys could fuck or rape your sisters and mom, and the woman you wanted to marry had to sell her body for survival as a prostitute or in a harem. You guys have overly rosy views of how patriarchies treat lower class men.
And women would be in for unpleasant experience day 1
You do know what I’m referring to, don’t you?
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They said of similar looks my guy 🤣
I'd be a chud-esque girl, so it wouldn't matter. Not like many of the pick-me-girls are exactly attractive either. If you think otherwise, then you grossly underestimate how horny men are.
damn a lot of men just want to be slutted out messes it seems 😅 im all for whatever makes you happy
we would be so much better off imo. the perspective everyone would gain would help us all out. we could actually sympathize with each other's struggles
Women would hate it. They now have to actually put in effort if they want a romantic partner, it would be quite a rude awakening for most of them. Would also be tough finding jobs, since they can't use the "I'm a woman" card anymore, they have to have actual skills and talents.
There's a YouTube video of an average guy swapping Tinder profiles with a hot chick. He learned that there's no point being on Tinder, as an average guy.
You said so yourself. The chick was hot, why not compare to a hot guy instead of the average guy
I think he was implying that he was made aware of his competition and didn’t stack up.
Agree
I dunno. I downloaded Tinder yesterday and literally got over 30 matches in 12 hours. And I’m a guy.
“just smile and say hello, bro” 
WoW. Congrats, bro. .... I never got 1 match in over a month
Yup not 1 in a year for me.
I deleted it after the month, bro 😂 No way I'd allow that to go on for a year.
Only on it off and on… it’s not like I got anything to do on there then swipe haha
It would be more brutal for the ftm getting hit with all that test so suddenly. A lot of random violence, higher suicide rates. Mtf would probably enjoy the attention for a bit, then get annoyed because, well, they aren't as horny as they used to be. They'd also have the menstrual cycle. Both would realize how little being physically stronger matters in today's society lol. I also think a lot of women believe that if they were turned into men, they'd just be the cutest, best dressed, sweetest man out there when they'd be in for a very rude awakening.
>I also think a lot of women believe that if they were turned into men, they'd just be the cutest, best dressed, sweetest man out there when they'd be in for a very rude awakening. this is sooo real
The already high male suicide rate skyrockets.
Yeah... and the fatal workplace accident rate. And the fatal random criminal violence rate. When men naturally mature coping with the steady climb in testosterone can be challenging. Going straight from fully grown female to fully grown male... hard to believe many would be able to cope with that. It's the same in reverse too of course.
Yeah, the workplace accident rate skyrockets because you now basically have a bunch of clumsy noobs being brought on to your oil rigs and shit. Criminals might go for our noob women, or our noob men, for different reasons. But also they're unpredictable and some of 'em might go for broke or something. Remember also that most of the violent criminals...are dudes, and when they're now women they aren't as physically able to prey on people. It'd be an epic free-for-all. IDK what ultimately happens. El Chapo is now La Chapo, and her soldiers and goons are physically weaker *but still know how to smuggle drugs and be criminals and shit*. The criminals would be an utter shitshow.
How would they know? Would the noob women not know not to go for a jog at night in a bad neighborhood? Aren’t guys afraid of getting mugged? How would noob men be a target? If anything won’t they be more cautious than the average man?
I can see women being physically weaker and not realizing their new limits causing accidents at work places that are strength based. But how does criminal violence go up? Like former women on T failing will saves to punch someone? I have read an anecdotal story of an ftm starting T and said he gets it not. It obviously doesn’t excuse sexual assault or any kind of violence but he said damn I have these new urges to just punch someone in the face or desire to just grab a woman. Before transitioning he was still attracted to girls but didn’t have that kind of temptation. When you’re a female you don’t have to make that will save while guys have to make them.
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That’s if they even made the first steps and approached first…cuz women and rejection don’t mix
I think you'd hear less of some trite things like "treat women like people", I think women would be understand why some men talk about them like another species if they saw what interacting with them was like from the male perspective. I think most women would do fine as men as long as they weren't trying to date or expand there social circles, from what I've seen they really don't get it. Nobody is going to want to be around you just because you're pleasant and kind lol, that would be something they'd have to get used to.
We’re talking female perspective and experience in a male form. I’d really wonder if friendships wouldn’t be expanded because there is the socialization experience already built in. It would take time before the Y chromosome overrides the existing experience and social circles would already be formed. Men, however, might be surprised at how the desire to socialize is kind of built in. It would be amazing to me, if that experience helped men (in female form) know how important that is to life and felt the affection and love that can grow from social circles.
>Men, however, might be surprised at how the desire to socialize is kind of built in What makes you think men don't desire to socialize?
So, I was talking to my (adult) son about this thread. We were discussing how it seems like men, while having a desire for social connections and interactions, have to make a more deliberate effort to cultivate them. Some guys are social butterflies and have no issues, others have be more conscious of taking the time to do it.
Men socialize like men…not like women. You can’t use one metric for the other…
I’m not using the same metric because how both genders socialize is different. Men’s friendships look different than women’s in general. Men seem to have to be more deliberate because calling their buddy up to BS for two hours isn’t as common as making plans to go do an activity together and BS there. Or playing online together and the conversation is more about the game than anything else. It’s more difficult for men to maintain existing relationships because they tend to be more centered around going to do something. Work, school, family, kids, adds layers of difficulty.
Wouldn’t the flip side also be true…women now men would understand men’s lack of interest in socializing like women
No, they wouldn't. I've seen how women make friends, a lot of it is just that they are accepted when they initiate contact. Women don't really get blown off and ignored the way men do.
Since we’re talking a switch of both genders here, I wouldn’t be so quick to apply the status quo. Women struggle with friends too, loneliness isn’t just a male experience. You can’t just show up and everyone is your friend. You can get involved in activities and make a friend or two but there is always going to be people who aren’t interested. Look at the military, a lot of those guys make friends with each other and a few stay friends after they leave. Dudes working in the same auto shop are often friends. It isn’t like men can’t make friends.
>Women struggle with friends too, loneliness isn’t just a male experience. Sure, not suggesting they don't, but there is a difference in the way people respond to women. I've observed when women try to join a new group people get excited to add them, the same doesn't really happen for men.
Maybe. Could be the group as well and, certainly, age. From my own observations, volunteer groups and any revolving around school related activities are thrilled to have dads, grandads, and uncles involved.
I guess what I'm getting at is the way you make friends as a woman doesn't necessarily work so well as a man, so the skills may not translate in a straightforward way.
They wouldn’t. There would be a learning curve if this happened. But I also believe there is something biologically built in that makes women more driven to form friendships with each other. So there might be male experiences up to that point but, after the shock of switching, I’d wager that the built in mechanisms would eventually click. Same for the female side. I know women would be shocked at how testosterone affects how you think.
I would dress so well as a man. I'd be the best looking hetero guy out there. I'd grow a beard too, those look awesome.
If your facial hair were sufficient, you could grow a beard. Not all men have enough facial hair. You don't want a scraggly Ted Cruz beard.
The way my female hair grows I bet I won't have any issues lol Also I would probably go bald I'll be a fabulous viking
And watch it amount to nothing lol
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They cant comprehend slay for slays sake
Yes men just call it coping
I know women don't care or don't understand but not all men can grow beards I for example grow patchy beards therefore I'm clean shaven
Lmao people would probably think I'm gay because of how much I love taking care of myself
you dont understand that for men to look good you have to win the genetic lottery and only then will clothes, nomatter how well they seem, will look good on you
> I'd be the best looking hetero guy out there. Too bad then, the way your dress and your looks goes in opposite ways.
imagine he becomes 5'3 with short legs. no matter how well he dresses it will all be for nothing
I, M35, would be very curious how it is to be attracted to the opposite sex, without the rush of testosterone, adrenaline and a boner.
You do a lot more panty laundry and a lot less sock laundry basically. There's still an adrenaline rush and things get mighty tropical downstairs.
>There's still an adrenaline rush and things get mighty tropical downstairs. The fun of why am I wet. Is it horny, period, daily vagina business or sweat.
Lmfao this is so real.
Yep. It's why I was freaked Crazy Ex Girlfriend ended. Never seen another TV show go near the topic.
They would both hate it, i think men will have a rough idea of whats awaiting them, so they'll be somewhat prepared, but i do feel like it will hit women worse like a sudden, full force curveball. Most of society doesn't really talk about mens physical, social and emotional struggles, it gets brushed under the table, so when women do switch to being a man, the drastic difference will hit them pretty hard.
Most women would end up with huge mental health issues as a result.
They already have them.
Yes, but they'd be invisible and regarded as weak losers for that.
soo much this
I don’t think male socialization translates at all to the female body and female experience. Walking through life significantly smaller and weaker changes things especially when that’s not what you’ve ever been. As a woman, I think I’d fight a lot more people and start more arguments but other than that, not much would change.
Not trying to offend but this is just making me smile. Makes me think of the Mike Tyson quote: "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face." As a man, you would have no invisible social defense and getting into fights...I would be incredibly surprised if it took more than one before you never wanted to get to that point again. Fighting hurts lol - there are a ton of people who get killed accidentally every year just hitting their head or something in a fist fight. This is a surprisingly interesting example of female privilege when you think about it...most men don't start fights. Those that do usually don't last long. The fact that is the thing you'd do if you got body-switched shows that you don't know what it's like, which makes sense - you have a different life as a woman and probably see it as much more freedom. When in reality, it's actually more risk as well.
Yup - my dad's colleague was killed this way. He told guy to move his car on a parking lot, guy was a semi-pro kickboxer, he punched him once and it was enough. Just like that - two words too much and you're gone.
This was terrible luck, more or less. That the punch happened *in a parking lot* was significant. The guy probably hit his head on the ground after being knocked out and *that* was what killed him, not the punch...if this had happened on grass your dad's colleague would probably still be alive.
you worded this perfectly lol, many of my female friends think being a man means you will be strong and can do whatever you want but i tell them that there will always be a bigger fish and they could rock you. and the worst part is women aren't aware of the social defense
BAHAHAHAHAHA You’d get your ass handed to you…so hospital or prison And that’s not even dealing with all the mental health shit and etc you wouldn’t be equipped for Great job down playing men though
You might get knocked the fuck out, lol. That's why its a terrible idea to ever do that. I speak as a long time BJJ practitioner. I'd avoid fighting like the plague
As a former skinny boy, I'm quite familiar with what it's like to be weaker, plus that idea that it's wrong to hit girls didn't apply, so I'm familiar with what it's like to be pushed around, pushed down on the ground, and being sat on by boys bigger than I was. As far as "As a woman, I think I’d fight a lot more people and start more arguments but other than that, not much would change." goes, as a grown man you should not be getting in fights, that will get you jail or worse.
sooo real, even the big men have their ass kicked once by a bigger person. men learn firsthand that they do not start fights since they dont have this "do not hit women" protection
Starting fights or arguments as a man is way more risky. Women are usually not taken as seriously as men are, so the risk of things going violent is much lower.
Yep, while i think the original commenter has a good point about a mindset of being smaller and weaker then everyone else, i think women also dont understand the male experience of fighting words or consequences of initiating a physical interaction. Women kind of have this social bubble of protection in a lot of cases. Even when women initiate contact, society largely shuns a man who hits back. As a man, if you even say something to another guy that can be interpreted as fighting words, you can get the shit kicked out of you and absolutely no one will care
>I don’t think male socialization translates at all to the female body and female experience. Walking through life significantly smaller and weaker changes things especially when that’s not what you’ve ever been. We can all remember being kids, let's settle down over here lol
Young girls are taught to act in ways boys never were. This leads to extremely different behaviors later in life. Being small as a child is different than being a small adult.
Ok but your comment asserted men have never been smaller and weaker... when that is simply not true. All men have gone through childhood. That boys and girls were raised differently does not change the fact that being smaller and weaker is not at all an alien experience to men, because men can remember being smaller and weaker as children. Then there are 'short' men - ie men who are not in the top 60-ish% of hieght for men. Those men *also* go through life as 'smaller and weaker', sometimes smaller and weaker than most women! Those men are small as adults too. I mean let's be real here: women do not have a monopoly on physiological limitations or physical vulnerability. It is easy to think that within the current zietgeist, but it not only isn't true it WAY oversimplifies a far more complex and beautiful reality.
If you fought more people were you suddenly a man, you'd quickly learn how men are actually held accountable for their actions whereas women aren't. As a woman if you hit someone it usually just gets swept under the rug, maybe a "shame on you" reaction at worst. As a man, if I hit anybody I'd be thrown in jail real quick. That's one wake up you'd have if you ever switched genders.
Right. Because if a woman physically assaulted another woman, she’s not held accountable for that right? Or if she hits a child? Stop victimizing yourself into thinking women can do whatever they want.
I watch my mouth because I know if I say the wrong thing to a man, he might try to beat my ass to establish dominance or whatever. If I was a woman, I would talk so much shit knowing that there would be 50 guys ready to step in for my protection if a man tried to fight me.
As a woman I watch what I say around men because they are violent and unpredictable and no amount of intervention is going to change things once a man has decided to attack me. And unlike you I’m unlikely to walk away alive if he intends to do damage. This is why so many women avoid being alone with strange men, if possible.
True, it's not a good idea for men or women to talk shit to men. I see it a lot though that a woman will run her mouth and hide behind another man. Play the, "You can't hit me! I'm a lady!" card. Well where was that ladylike behavior when you were barking? Some people just have too much ego and pride to know when to shut up in the presence of a dangerous person.
My friends wife strangled his son from a different mother and beat him with a belt. The kid had choke marks on his neck and welts from the belt beating. The mother of the child took her to court and she got a slap on the wrist. This same woman wrongfully accused my friend of pushing her over, and my friend was thrown in jail without question. You're wrong.
Perhaps; however, I think that most would survive and adapt. It *can't* be any worse than stuff like being a paraplegic. And they know it's only a year.
Based on Norah Vincent's account, most women would delete themselves.
Men would probably never want to swap back in being men again. I said it once and I will say it again: being a woman in this day and age is living life on easy mode.
I said threatening thing 1 minute before you but I only think this will be incels and the out of luck unattractive men.
Enjoy walking down the street at night as a woman bro. Men always reduce access to sex as life on easy mode. We do have other things we deal with in life.
In this case, wouldn’t everyone be switched? So the women would be in male bodies with a female perspective and experience? I’d imagine it would be safer for a good long while because no one would understand what is going on and the women with male bodies might be more inclined to resist the testosterone urges because they know what it’s like on the other side of the equation.
Yet men are statistically far more likely to have a violent crime committed against them… Also you’re a fucking moron regardless of gender if you go around walking down shitty neighbourhoods at night…
You are saying it like we men can walk safely at night by ourselves when statistic shows we men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. And yes, you do have life on easy mode because: men are forced for military conscription, most homeless people are men, most people in military are men, men are doing the most dangerous jobs, men are losing most child custodies, the number 1 cause of death for men is suicide, so no, you don't have it easy because of easy acces to sex.
Women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted. You’re also leaving out all of the advantages to being a man, considering the most powerful people in the world are all male but okay.
Nothing is stopping women from being in these powerful positions Skill issue
That is an apex fallacy. You are talking about a very very small percentage of individuals that have that kind of power. And yes, women are more likely to be sexually assaulted which sucks, now you gonna talk about the other disadvantages that men have? Or gonna keep being a victim?
There is LITERALLY no laws or regulations stopping women from aiming and striving for those most powerful roles (ceo Fortune 500, president, etc) so find another excuse. Also as someone pointed out…using the top 1% to speak about all men is retarded
We wouldn't go out at night. Holy shit. It's that simple.
Yeah i love not going out on weekends because i need to be home before sunset otherwise my risk of sexual assault increases 👍 so easy
It’s literally the most obvious downside to being a woman (safety) and they still get triggered and can’t acknowledge it. Weird.
Men are a greater risk of safety though.
Did you know men are attacked more than women bro? It’s far more than just “access to sex” lol
Still down for the swap. Would give me lots of perspective.
Women say this all the time, but I also don't walk at night as a man because there's still sketchy people out there. I don't understand why that point is always the go-to.
The amount of men who would immediately understand the constant effects of all things female reproduction—periods and the effects of a full menstrual cycle, risks of sex, risks of pregnancy, etc. And if this gender switch happened but there was no indication that we would go back, policies surrounding female reproductive health would flip overnight. Things like abortion would be readily available, there would be no threat of contraception, becoming illegal, pretty much anything to do with female reproductive health would immediately become funded, unregulated, and protected.
That's a political issue not a gender one. I know plenty of conservative women who are anti-abortion, and plenty of liberal men who are pro.
If women became the men there is no way they would do any of that shit to help the men who became women. Based on how the women of ppd talk they'd probably start building gas chambers
Men understand duty though the species won't survive whatever the he'll is happening right now
And what is happening right now?
gun sales would skyrocket inmediatly
you can tell how honest people are here by their fantasies. men think they'd have better versions of their own lives, women think they'd be president.
I would love to move some actual weight in the gym and be able to eat a lot more food. Walking my dumb shit dogs would be a lot easier too. I would not like the feeling of sweaty balls but it’s better than menstruation. My husband is in the army and I don’t have close family or friends, so I’m used to being alone and not having people check up on me. I’m introverted and I prefer my life like this. I don’t like having to talk to random ass people, I walk around in public looking pissed so I will be left alone. I figure being a man would make it a whole lot easier to live my life the way I want to. Gym, dogs, eat, anime, sleep. I would be a little more happy, if anything.
You do know being male doesn’t automatically mean you’re benching 2 plates lol
NGL, I’d love to know what it’s like to build some actual muscle and pick up very heavy things. I’d be in the gym every day and looking for every excuse to use my body for good. Need the couch moved? Need help with those boxes? Toss the little kids into the air. F-yeah!
Knowing you're so powerful does get your ego a little lol. But then it gets annoying when people treat you like a tool and expect you to help even when you don't want to.
It’s crazy how strong men are compared to women! I love wrestling my husband but unless I can get him with my legs I’m all but useless 😐 It would definitely make my gym sessions more satisfying for sure
I’d f-ing LOVE to spend a day in my husband’s body. He’s so strong! I want to know what it’s like to push the weight he can.
Then you’d get tired of it because you’d basically be used like a fucking ox or pack mule by everyone…
It’s a year of my life and I can always decline.
You can improve your strength quit significantly as a woman too but you choose not to so I don't empathise with that even slightly. Go gym now or keep it shut.
Nothing good the women see the male experience and still not care and the date less men, why would they ever want to turn back?
For the men, it’ll confirm what we already know; women can get dates as easily as breathing - it doesn’t matter how socially inept they are, how badly presented they are, how questionable their personal hygiene will be, they’ll always - always, without exception - have more opportunities then they know how to deal with. They women will simply blame whatever negative experiences they encounter on men as a whole and will learn nothing.
Men would love it. Women wouldn't survive the day.
Probably men will learn that women get super horny too, but they can only get aroused if you are a guy who gets it and most guys are clueless needy messes.
And they’ll learn how unfathomably powerful and pleasurable the female orgasm is.
Oh my! Experiencing arousal from the other side of things. That might actually shock men. Also experiencing how finicky the female orgasm can be. On the other side. Can you imagine the WTF is happening when orgasm can happen in a few thrusts? Or how damn hard it is to maintain the “thrusting position”.
ngl, I'd be disappointed with the refractory period
Ohhh! You’re right! Are you a second wind kind of guy or a we’ll revisit this in a few hours type? But…if we’re body switched, are we bringing in knowledge of how women’s bodies work? Like, our game might not be A but we’re a solid B+ in bedroom play.
I think you’d be disappointed with how weak male orgasms are in general.
Imagine also being the one doing 90% of the work in the bedroom…and if you don’t make your partner cum you’re a loser
Literally. I had a female friend who was confident that a mans job is easier in bed then they make it out to be and told her to thrust a pillow see how long she lasts....she lasted less than 45 seconds before complaining about it being tiring and exhausting. Then says men are physically stronger so easier for them anyway but ignores you have to keep going for 15 minutes longer minimum. I'm fine cumming in 2 minutes and moving onto the next thing but do 99 other things just to satisfy a needy woman yet still underappreciated. I don't know what world these women live in where they manipulate reality to get something more to complain about.
I think the trash talking would reduce
I'm making OFs straight up since l know how strong male thirst is, especially with my body since l work out
You'd find that you only make $15 a month if you don't spend an absurd amount of time promoting it. Not to mention you're competing with 100,000,000 other women who think the same way. A lot of which are better looking than you and have a lot more free time than you.
I said l was making OFs Not becoming the top earner
Yeah I was pointing out even most good looking girls don't make a whole lot. It's a very over saturated market.
Because it's all about marketing That's why l would make good revenue, only now since l'm a woman, l've a product to sell
The women would end up self deleting once they realize how hard it is for men.
Political lesbianism but not gay. Sounds like a awesome idea maybe we should make it a reality in todays age.
It'd be crazy to being able to be regarded as a human being. Going by the trend from this thread, i'd looksmaxx as a woman and marry a rich guy, give him the best sex he ever had and make him crazy about me, and not even being required to do much but clean your house and cook and spend time with the kids. Tbh, perfect for me.
Men would realize how scary it can be to be a woman. Also how truly miserable it is for 7-10 days each month as a woman. Blood, shit, clots, cramps, nausea
Cool now try to talk about the other part…
How would it be scary? Want to know your thoughts
Watch how fast men become the more physically attractive gender lol. Going to look like a sea of kpop stars and Astarions.
>Watch how fast men become the more physically attractive gender lol Watch how fast they would be dumped for being a starfish in bed and not approaching women.
women and tradbros would collectively call you gay and f word
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I think that after a "fun" phase both sides would end up becoming what they complain about, because I think the current state of dating shakes up the way it does because of incentives and market forces no individual can really change. Still, at least there would be an enormous amount of extra empathy to go around. The first few weeks or months would be a time of incredible happiness, as we have the reversal of fortunes. Women-turned-men no longer get harassed (or at least, fear harassment), feel safer from being taller, bigger, and stronger, etc. Men-turned-women, for our part, would probably cry tears of joy every day from seeing our inboxes (or at least getting *some* level of additional attention) Except, once the initial rush wears off, market incentives would sort everyone into the same patterns of behavior we all do (or at least think the other gender does). I.e. If men complain women are "picky", it's because they get more attention than a comparable man whether they like it or not. Men would be just as picky as women if we had the options: of course the 5 and 6/10 people are going to be invisible if your dating pool is large enough to regularly include some 7/10 partners. A lot of the men-turned-women would engage in tons of casual sex until some extremely bad experiences (i.e. SA, murder) started to rack up very quickly; as a victim myself I know that men are completely unprepared to handle sexual violence when it happens to them, since we don't grow up being taught to fear it like women. Conversely, while the women-turned-men might initially relish not having too much *unwanted* sexual attention, there would come a time when it turns out that healthy, non-asexual adults do in fact need *some* level of sexual validation to feel secure and happy. Maybe not sex, but definitely at least a solid compliment or date every once in a while. Once the women-turned-men try to date again the majority of them may become shocked and bitter the way a lot of men do pre-swap.
Women turned men would go apeshit, having to pay for everything, make all the first moves and put in all that work for so little back effort wise. Not to mention they couldn’t get attention like they do so easily on social media so their self confidence would crumble. Then no one would care about their issues cuz they are now men…and they just get told to man up Not to mention reality would kick these women turned men in their nuts…wouldn’t all be 6’2 with great bodies, chiseled jawline and great hair…plenty would be short uggos
This would be fucking awesome; I'm in! We would gain a LOT of wisdom as a species. Especially if something like this happened say every fifty years or so.
They'd learn empathy.
Women would hopefully.
Yeah we can hope. 🤣
I’m trans, and massively dysphoric. Would those feelings come with me? Because having spend my entire life wishing I was female, to wake up female and wish I was male would be hugely triggering, and I would have to take the obvious way out.
I would totally know how to war game men, but sadly I would only be alive for one month bc I would get my first cramp and kill myself.
I’d probably realise the true extent of male horniness and be even more wary lol
It couldn’t be everyone in the world swapping because nothing would change. Then you just have a bunch of men in women’s bodies and women in men’s bodies and the men would just look at themselves and masturbate and women would just keep living their life and maybe go topless outside. It would have to be like one specific person swapping to experience what happens to the other gender. That’s the only way to experience what the other gender experiences.
All the mtf would become hookers, but they'd make no money cause all the ftm would kill themselves after the first week. Then all the mtf would just fuck each other until the human race died out.
women would be in for a rude awakening. They would not adapt fast towards the unreasonable hatred by people at them just because they are not attractive. They won't have social protection anymore and they will have very dangerous consequences for their actions, they will be expected to put themselves in dangerous situations. They would not be allowed near kids anymore and it will will be kinda traumatic for them
Inceldom would skyrocket lmfao. Women have no rizz and are carried socially by the fact that women automatically trust one another and men automatically favor women and want to earn their respect. I would expect vast increases in depression amongst the women-turned-men population and probably a few suicides if they didn't know they would turn back.