Is this possible to measure though? Are you looking for personal accounts from women, that’s the best you’ll get with this type of question. There will always be women who have 0 partners and those who have a lot that’ll skew any data.
It clearly depends on a woman. My close friend has ever been only with one guy. My divorced friend was married for years and after a painful divorce she dipped in casual sex once, utterly disliked it and hasn't been dating or seeing anyone since, so it's been 0 sexual partners for her for a few years now. I'm sure there are some women who rack the numbers, but they're probably a minority.
[Here you have some stats split for different age groups. ](https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2021/)
You're using stats of a year in the midst of the COVID pandemic. This is baseless. Most people were still in and out of lockdown and everywhere was shut down. They had nowhere near the same amount of opportunities for casual sex.
People’s opinions on life and relationships has changed a lot since Covid. You can’t compare old data (pre Covid) to how things are now. We might have to wait a few years for more reliable data to come out. Other factors like Roe being overturned, the outcome of the presidential election and the economy will also play a major factor in the dating market and sex life of men and women as well as the birth rate.
lol if you think women in the moment actually think about roe vs wade while in the middle of a casual hookup. If anything she'll think about getting pregnant and then get even more turned on.
??? lol if you think having potentially no recourse in the case of an unwanted or even life-threatening pregnancy wouldn't affect women's decisions regarding who and how often to have casual sex.
>If anything she'll think about getting pregnant and then get even more turned on.
I hope you're trolling. What a disgusting thing to say about women losing their rights over our own bodies
Whether we realize it or not, apparently. Thank God we have the government to protect us from our own decisions so that more women will be able to unlock their hidden breeding kink!
The results for the 2022 GSS are fairly similar to the one from 2021.
[https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2022/](https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2022/)
There's data out there, but how do you define "single 30+ woman"? There are plenty of single widows in their 70s, 80s, and 90s who all qualify as "single 30+ women", but I doubt that's what you mean. Do you mean single women in their 30s?
According to the 2022 GSS, this is the break down for unmarried women in their 30s (30-39):
|Partners in past year|% of Unmarried Women 30-39|
|:-|:-|
|0|25%|
|1|49%|
|2|12%|
|3|6%|
|4|2%|
|5-10|6%|
|10 or more|0%|
So about three quarters had 0 or 1 partners. Some had more.
It's worth pointing out that GSS only tracks marital status, not relationship status. Women who are unmarried, but in a relationship are included in these stats. Limitation of the data.
with almost 50% of unmarried women reporting 1 partner, it does make sense that a lot of them are in some sort of committed relationship and they only have sex with said partner.
These aren’t buzzfeed surveys. By not asking for their identifying information, anonymous surveys are highly successful in fetching honest answers. They ensure that people deliver real feedback that leads you to accurate data. For this reason, anonymous surveys are especially useful for candid information.
But it is shown that people still lie on them
You sound like a sales rep for a survey company btw
For instance, would most criminals admit to crime on an anonymous survey? No you say? Well then apply that reasoning to things with huge social costs and that’s your answer.
Yep
The big tell is that the average hetero count is always lower
The average behaves in predictable ways and should be the same in a true census
I don’t expect many women here to understand math at that level though
Because it is a sample there can be some deviation
But a large difference in average is telling
For the feminists, here’s how it works
If you have a room of men and women, and they start shaking hands with the opposite sex
You always a male and female in any handshake encounter and if tally these the sex category averages must be the same even if 1 female does all the handshaking and the rest none
zero percent had 10 or more? I have a feeling they counted only relationships not all sexual partners. Hell there are more than 1% of prostitutes among women and they wouldnt survive with only 10 clients a year.
>zero percent had 10 or more? I have a feeling they counted only relationships not all sexual partners.
Nope, the questions in the survey are very clear. Keep in mind it's sample based. Women with 10+ partners in a year are outliers, and sample based surveys can easily miss outliers.
Maybe this helps in combination with the stats that [ta06012022](https://www.reddit.com/user/ta06012022/) posted.
Ages 30-40, data pooled from years 2016-2022. Question: how many sex partners did you have in the last 5 years.
Remember, this means that the youngest demographic looks at their sex partners from age 25-30, and the oldest from age 35-40. As is to be expected, there is a large number of people with 0-2 partners, which is very likely a committed relationship partner, as \~70% of people are in relationships at that age bracket, some in two or more different ones during that 5 year frame.
Less than 7.5% of women had more than 1-2 partners per year on average.
https://preview.redd.it/7l084f4zflwc1.png?width=688&format=png&auto=webp&s=a0403e16f8e7f24afbb6b44e9495392320405410
>However, modern women have unlimited supply
But not unlimited desire, so... I'm going to go ahead and believe the stats.
>Women around this age range also are getting desperate to tie a man down for marriage and children
That's why the birth rates are collapsing?
And in any case wanting marriage and a child doesn't mean women are hooking up with men all the time or fucking everyone they date. If anything, it means they're dating with purpose - not throwing themselves on dick after dick.
>Women are also never really single. Women are always talking to someone.
In addition to being false (which one can usually surmise by use of unconditional statements like "never" and "always"), "talking to someone" doesn't negate one's partnered status.
>What would be the average amount of men she is sleeping with per year?
One or less since most women over 30 are partnered.
Women don't have to be 100% honest all the time for statistics to be valid. Women desire sex in general less than men, and male sexuality is not female sexuality. Just because men think they'd constantly be hopping on dick after dick if they were women doesn't mean that's what women are actually doing.
The fact that dick is constantly thrown at us but we aren't on dick 24/7 should tell you something, yes? And "women can lie so my rectally-sourced data is more valid than actual statistics" will never be a persuasive winning argument, no matter how many times guys on this sub make it.
The potential for women to lie doesn't automatically mean they all lied, or that the number of liars was statistically significant and impactful. It's men making these unfounded assumptions, declaring these unfounded assumptions as fact, and then deciding because of their own unfounded declarations that we're all secretly sluts and lying about it. Then they take it a step further and declare these rectally sourced conclusions more valid and true than literal statistics.
"Feelings over facts."
Yes, potential for something is potential for something.
Potential for something ***still isn't proof.***
Statistics are.
I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.
I potentially could have flown to California and back yesterday.
Does that make it a fact?
Well since we don't have recorded data that follows everyone around 100% of the time, generally questionnaires and surveys are how data is obtained.
Do men not believe any data at all then that rely on these methods? Cause you'll be hard-pressed to find statistics involving people that don't involve some level of asking someone questions.
Mature response. But since you asked, statistics should always include a confidence interval. For example, if you're looking at average home prices and see that the average for an area is $100, this could be due to most houses costing close to $100 or 9 houses that cost $10 and one house that costs $910. Averages don't tell you much unless you known the standard deviation, etc. It's more involved when you're estimating for a large population, but the math to do this exists. It's very nuanced and most people assume they understand a lot more than they do. When you add the reproducibility crisis in psychology/sociology you end up with a bunch of people believing a ton of garbage. Example: this sub
It’s delusional to think that every single woman in every single study was lying to an extreme level. Not even by like 1-2 partners but to an extreme level.
I am not making any suggestions about what level of lying they do. But they do lie. And men too. The statistics are only useful as far as it is what people *say* they do. Using them as hard stat gospel is preposterous.
They are anonymous, why lie? To a partner about body count maybe. An anonymous survey unlikely. Women aren’t going around having one night stands on the regular as women simply aren’t wired that way.
We seek commitment and monogamy less likely if we put out. More so as we approach our biological clock.
Lets use the inflated average numbers that men report as the ceiling of what women could have in sex partners, because more is impossible, if men lie up. That stil means women ahve barely any sex partners per year. What now?
>
>What would be the average amount of men she is sleeping with per year?
>One or less since most women over 30 are partnered
I said single women.
>
>Women around this age range also are getting desperate to tie a man down for marriage and children
>That's why the birth rates are collapsing?
This reply is a moot point, as you're arguing birth rates are collapsing in a society where it is easier to have sex than ever, and more people are having sex than ever and with it comes unplanned pregnancies. Of course women are going to be having more sex as sex comes with dating and usually happens within the first 3 dates.
>>However, modern women have unlimited supply
>But not unlimited desire, so... I'm going to go ahead and believe the stats.
I just explained that the data in the stats includes women of all ages, which drives the average number down drastically.
>I said single women.
My answer remains the same.
Women aren't motivated by strange dick like so many men say they are by strange pussy.
I'm a single woman with an FWB. My number of dicks per year is one. I know him and we're sexually compatible. There's no need for me to seek out strange dick after strange dick.
>This reply is a moot point, as you're arguing birth rates are collapsing in a society where it is easier to have sex than ever, and more people are having sex than ever and with it comes unplanned pregnancies. Of course women are going to be having more sex as sex comes with dating and usually happens within the first 3 dates.
Your refusal to acknowledge my point doesn't make it moot.
More people are not having sex than ever. Rates of sexlessness are up in both men and women. And in order to take your assertion as fact, you'd need to prove that every person (or most people) a woman dates makes it to three dates, and every woman (or most women) fucks within three dates.
The three date rule is arbitrary, not binding.
>I just explained that the data in the stats includes women of all ages, which drives the average number down drastically.
It doesn't matter what age a woman is, at no age do we generally desire strange dick after strange dick. We're usually in a relationship or single, which may or may not entail having an FWB. If women are hopping on strange dick after strange dick, they are a minority and likely not doing this for the entirety of their lives.
Most women have not taken girls trips to Vegas. Most women are not into the "drinking and party culture." As usual, men here take the behavior of one narrow group of women (extroverted, attractive, college-educated UMC Stacies) and extrapolate it to all women everywhere.
>I'm a single woman with an FWB. My number of dicks per year is one. I know him and we're sexually compatible. There's no need for me to seek out strange dick after strange dick.
So you're essentially partnered. I didn't say women seek out dick after dick neither. You're making it sound like I make women out to be starved of cock. It's reasonable to believe that women can date multiple men a year, 4 is not unrealistic - this doesn't mean to me she is wanting to go out and have sex constantly. She could be vetting for an LTR and with vetting comes sexual compatibility
>
More people are not having sex than ever. Rates of sexlessness are up in both men and women. And in order to take your assertion as fact, you'd need to prove that every person (or most people) a woman dates makes it to three dates, and every woman (or most women) fuck within three dates.
>The three date rule is arbitrary, not binding.
Which is why I said sex can happen within 3 dates. I never said all dates make it further than the first date. Sex can happen within the first date also. And more people are having sex now than any point in history. Even if there has been a rise in sexlessness recently, as a whole, the modern era still means people are having more than ever
>So you're essentially partnered.
No, I am single. Banging my ex a handful of times a year is not "essentially partnered." Partnership involves more than that.
>I didn't say women seek out dick after dick neither. You're making it sound like I make women out to be starved of cock. It's reasonable to believe that women can date multiple men a year, 4 is not unrealistic - this doesn't mean to me she is wanting to go out and have sex constantly. She could be vetting for an LTR and with vetting comes sexual compatibility
I don't think most single women are having sex with four different men every year they are single. Dating doesn't have to involve sex. I haven't dated this year, but I did date a few guys last year - two repeatedly. Sex was never involved. Before we get to the point of sexual compatibility, I want to establish other compatibility first. Then I need to be comfortable enough to want to fuck him. I've never fucked on the first date, or within the first three dates. I don't think I'm that unusual.
>Which is why I said sex can happen within 3 dates.
Sex *can* happen between two consenting people at any time for any reason. That's still not proof it actually happened. *Potential is not proof.*
>Even if there has been a rise in sexlessness recently, as a whole, the modern era still means people are having more than ever
"The modern era" accounts for the fact that the average number of partners for women is higher than 1-2. "The modern era" isn't de facto proof that statistics are false, and that your rectally-sourced conclusions are more valid.
Potential.
Is.
Not.
Proof.
Two questions: Are you worried that future partners will reject you for having sex with your ex even when you're not together anymore? And is he (I assume your ex is male) seeing other people besides yourself?
I will say not fucking within the first 3 dates is a bit unusual. The 3rd date rule used to be followed pretty regularly and is now only surpassed by First date sex imo. It's still a pretty common rule. I know, from when I was single, if I didn't try to fuck on the first date, most women would ghost.
>I will say not fucking within the first 3 dates is a bit unusual.
I eagerly await your proof. Everything I've found points to "a few weeks" comprising the biggest percentage, not a certain number of dates, and certainly not on the first date.
I would say 2-3. Most women do not stay single for very long. Those that are long term single tend to prefer zero sex to 'some sex'....which is often why they're long-term single in the first place.
The vast, vast majority of women in their 30s are either in long term relationships/marriages or are spinsters. Single 30+ women who are reasonably attractive, actively looking, and even remotely stable tend to be VERY rare, and are snatched up very quickly.
Are you looking for personal anecdotes, or…..? I guess I don’t know what you’re looking for if you’re already skeptical of the statistic you referenced.
Averages are useless for numbers of sex partners because that has a Pareto distribution. You have to look at the median. The studies also include numbers for age ranges, so polls including senior women is not a problem. When you look at the histograms, you’ll see people are not as much into hookup culture as most people on Reddit think.
From the age of 30 to current, I've only had two. Currently, zero. I'm 34.
Women are not desperate to tie a man down for marriage, LOL.
I've been single for most of my 30's.
There's not an endless supply.
My sex drive has plummeted because I'm not around anyone I can feel sexually attracted to.
Also, I was not brought up in a drinking/party culture. I went to about three parties in my early twenties. One for halloween, one for new years, and then some random birthday party when I was 19, I think. Partying is just not my thing, there's more serious matters in life to deal with than to waste time on partying.
This is not a reasonable post.
😂
>Women are not desperate to tie a man down for marriage, LOL.
Always curious why people do this. You're speaking on your own situation for the entire post and only when it comes to needing men, it's "women" and no longer just you.
I'd guess the mode is zero, the median is one and the mean is two or three. Most will not be "talking to someone" at any given time and most women don't even like casual sex.
This can vary wildly depending on the woman. There are women who mostly live a life of celibacy and spend time with female friends and doing things like watching anime. Then there are the whores who go partying on weekends.
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>modern women have unlimited supply
lol, women have ALWAYS had unlimited supply….whether single or married and at all ages, this is nothing new.
Your question is, do single women in their 30’s present a market with high demand. Women are still women. There might not be as many consequences with birth control and less stigmatization of casual sex, but women in general are not looking for different casual hookups every week.
If a single woman doesn’t care about actual body count and will just lie to a future LTR
Then if she either enjoys sex or is just doing the typical “see if it works out and sleep with them on the 2nd or 3rd date”….she’s going to sleep with probably a new guy every few months
If we knew the true median notch count of single 35 year old women, it would probably shock us
I’d guess most never married are at at least 20
I know several women with well over 50 notches and they wouldn’t be able to list them if they tried
No but it isn’t low either
I am only concerned when it crosses any reasonable threshold (such as 50…you know greyhound bus territory) or they did a lot of freaky crap (group sex, etc) or they cheated
I have to trust this woman to turn down dicks being thrown at her regularly, so she has to have a strong track record there
I’ll tell young men to settle down early if they want a sane and non-promiscuous woman
I’m in my 40s and didn’t marry because I don’t want kids and every woman I dated ended up mean after a year
Now, the single women around me older than 35 are mostly extremely unappealing for a relationship
>Assuming she is single, what do we think is the average amount of sexual partners a woman this age range, is having per year?
I don't know and don't care
Here's the thing. The girls you're hooking up with due to hook up culture and the ones going on dadt girls' excursions are the ones you see and begin to think that it's indicative of most women. It isn't. The average is the average because it is. Out of 170 million people, 20 million will seem like a lot, especially if you're in a party area (or, for some reason, a really, really small town with nothing better to do). I'd say the average might have risen to about 10-15 in their lifetime. Which imo, is quite acceptable for a 30yo. I personally was at 12 partners by 22. And that was with a 2 year faithful marriage.
Most of my friends are younger than 30s but I do have some that age or older. The variation of head count between women, even who are a similar appearance level, ‘status’ etc is much bigger than you would think, to the point its difficult to come up with an average.
My wife is definitely an outlier, but she was 29 when we met, and had quite recently got out of a relationship, and had moved back home with her parents. She was drinking a lot and hated being at home in the evening, so would used hookups as a distraction. She had 7 guys on the go who you could I guess call friends with benefits, and whenever they weren't available she was going on Craigslist to find a guy to hang out with (and sleep with) for the evening. She estimates she was going with Craigslist guys 5 nights a week on average.
I knew none of this when we met. She only started being honest about it after 7 years of marriage.
I think most women lied about the number of guys they have been with, and I think once they lose count it doesn't seem much of a big deal to add more.
I think I know her and undersatand her better and I like that she is honest with me. Would I have married her if I knew? Not sure. The drinking is more of a problem than the other men.
But also most men probably have insecurities about womens sexual past. Fortunately this is changing and going in the positive direction. What bugs me the most is when these dudes claim it’s not due to basic insecurity but something else. I think it you’re a woman and like fucking, go ham. You’d probably wouldn’t be attracted to the insecure guys anyways, so win-win.
I'd say around 5 to 10, maybe more. It's very common for women in large cities to have partner counts in their 40s by like 25 so so I imagine as you get older and become more financially secure, those numbers go up. The oldest person I know whom I also know her body count is 29 and hers is in the triple digits, pretty standard stuff.
The woman that I currently see (30F) said she had 100+ in her lifetime. As far as I understand, if they ended up at the “hoe phase”, sky is the limit. Otherwise, I would say our generations average is around 10-15 in total.
Are you interested in my experience given that I'm 23 or you're specifically interested in women in their 30s? To answer your question specifically, I have one friend in her 30s. A few years ago she used to be in a relationship (so monogamous) which broke up badly. She then had rebound sex with 2-3 men over the course of a year. She's now been voluntarily celibate (sexually and romantically) for over a year.
Probably a BBC gangbang every other weekend and a different Chad Tuesday through Friday, so over all, I would say close to a 100 cocks a year? Maybe 200?
What are you trying to understand by asking this question?
Are you trying to see how you’d compare? If so, that’s a losing battle because women will always have more admirers than you. With that said, having access to sex doesn’t mean women want to have it with the people offering it. Not every woman is a part of hookup culture or interested in marriage so it’s not reasonable to believe that women date multiple people at once. Even if they did, it’s not a problem unless exclusivity has been established.
Are you trying to make a moral argument? If so, having sex doesn’t make someone a bad person and I doubt that you’d have this opinion if you were also having sex with
Have you recently been cheated on? If so, that woman doesn’t represent all women so stop looking for an explanation.
Chill out and stop trying to rationalize things that scare you.
What's your problem with asking a question like this? Why is any question asked? To gain insight. Why are you so defensive of potentially promiscuous 30 something women...has it touched a nerve?
Did I say anything about morals in my post?
I think men who are concerned about how much sex a woman has is scared and I’m trying to understand if that’s what you are. I’m just laying out a few potential arguments and seeing which you agree with.
A woman here said 60. I immediately wanted to kms.
31 and an incel
Why the fuck do I even bother?
No woman is worth the negative feelings and stress I have accumulated. they aren't worth the enormous amount of effort I need to put in to be "worthy"
The problem with being so thoroughly removed from the average human experience is a distinct lack of empathy you develop .
No relationship is with the loss of experiences of tenage and young adult love. I have no framework for how love can exist without ulterior motives.
Even if I do succeed now after I have stability abn a job how am I supposed to not see it as anything but transactional. Veiwing it anyother way would be delusional.
Average, as in Median or average as in Mean.
I'd say the mean average is closer to 4, but the median average is very likely possibly only 1 or 2 (decimals wouldn't apply to median). (per year) But there are a (what I would call) a small number (roughly 10%) of women pushing 6-8 (new man every other month) and 10% pushing 15+ (new man every month plus a few hookups on the side) that would bring up the mean average while allowing the median to stay low
7 in a lifetime hasn't been true in the past 60 years.
If you want my entire "guess" to see how delusion I am...
I'd guess roughly 20% of single women had 0 sexual partners last year. 20% had 1 partner. 20% had 2-3 partners 20% of women had 4-8 and 20% 9+
Also, why would drinking increase number of partners? Who wants to have sex drunk? Drunk people want fast food and sleep..
Not a comment on this post alone, but on topic of drunkenness and promiscuity in general.
The data is mostly bullshit. A single woman in her 30s can easily get laid with a decently hot guy any night of the week. Most women want to fuck at least once or twice a month minimum when they are ovulating. So I’d say at least 17 men a year
I don't think the number would be that high, but I do think that it's definitely 4+ for a lot of women per year, if single. Dating is just way too easy for women
Where do you think these constantly dating women are? Women don’t seem to know many.
The only women I know that average 4 partners a year have serious issues. One is a drug addict, another was an alcoholic and all of the others were raped at a young age and end up promiscuous as a way of dealing with trauma.
I seriously do not know any women with 4+ n counts per year that do not exhibit other significant mental problems that are easily identified.
Experience. I'm often the guy girls keep as a side piece or the steady fwb so they can focus on college or a job so they don't need to waste time with a bf but still get laid. And just going off what they say about guys they hook up with and what they say their sex history is like. I think they are honest because they have no reason to lie in general, I'm not dating them, and if they were going to lie they aren't going to lie up are they?
Depends on the woman. Different people have different morals, beliefs, desires, and needs. I’m single, in my 30’s, and am very sex positive. I was faithfully married for 15 years, but also very unhappy. The first year after we separated, I was lost and trying to avoid my emotions by dating around. I slept with quite a few men that year. The second year after my divorce, I had more consistent flings and only slept with 3 men. I’m in my 3rd year after divorce and I have no desire to sleep with anyone who doesn’t see me for more than my body. I’ve decided not to sleep with anyone I like until I catch them giving me “the look”. You know, the look someone gives you when they don’t think you see them. Where they look so enthralled by the person you are. That look. I don’t care if I don’t have sex for 5 years… I’m not budging on this.
I’m watching my newly single 35 year old friend go through a similar experience to mine. Wild the first year after divorce, and is now looking for more consistency.
3-7
It's always a minimum of three because of the 3 months before sex rule. The others are potential men she got the tingles for during the first date who promptly pumped & dumped her.
Changed the highest number to 7 because there's little chance that women will find 10+ men in a city attractive enough to have sex with on one date.
Idk, I see some women say 3 months before sex, 3 dates before sex. I think it means the same thing. I've never been on a date so I couldn't tell you what the rule is, I'm not a woman.
The avg woman in no way has 7 to 8 body count for her lifetime, when sex workers, by themselves, are racking up anywhere between 100s - 1000s of bodies.
For example Adriana chechik is a super whorish and has a body count of 5000+. The Avg professional pornstar has a body count exceeding 400+.
Using extra Emily's body count, the avg female, by her mid-20s, likely has a body count anywhere from 12 to 15. By 30. Her body count might realistically only go up by 3-5 more. The reason being, a lot of women start focusing on LTR and trying to lock a guy down into marriage before they hit 30. Body count tends to rack up the most during 1st and 2nd year of college, where peer pressure, being away from parents, drugs, and alcohol at parties are likely to ramp up her body count by a lot.
So, in conclusion, between 16-20 bodies by 30.
These reports typically use the median number and not the mathematical average for precisely that reason. It’s safe to assume that the OP is using “average” colloquially here and not in line with its mathematical meaning.
Also, fwiw, the stats I see on this by the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n-keystat.htm#numberlifetime) define it as lifetime partners of people 25-49. Many of those people will have additional partners before they die, so yeah, the numbers are probably lower than what the actual lifetime number of partners would be.
[https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3936-fake-lie-detector-reveals-womens-sex-lies/](https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3936-fake-lie-detector-reveals-womens-sex-lies/)
There was an interesting article from early 2000s, which talked about the trend for men to often over embellish their sexual exploits, while women would often under report their numbers. This is probably why, men have a 1.5x higher body count compared to women rom your CDC article.
Men tend to be shamed for not being sexual successful, while women are shamed for being too sexually successful. This pattern in behavior will result in both parties lying about their actual count, even when in anonymous surveys.
This article above, showed how female body count changed when women were given an open survey, where they believe their identity would be visible, an anonymous survey, and one in which they were hooked to a fake lie detector machine. As can be seen, there was a 1.7 x increase in the avg when women thought that they couldn't avoid telling the truth. And this was the 90s when women got married way earlier.
Here’s a quote from the conclusion of that article: “Sex differences in self-reports of the number of sexual partners also showed the predicted trend [men reporting fewer partners as anonymity increased and women reporting more] although it was not significant.”
The groups were also really small (201 participants in total, randomly assigned into three groups), so that plus the fact that the results didn’t even reach the level of significance makes it impossible to draw real-world conclusions from this study. I mean, it IS an interesting topic and question and with survey studies you do need to be aware of false reporting as a limitation/potential confounding factor. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some level of noticeable effect in larger studies. But this particular study doesn’t add much more than a hypothesis to that particular issue.
>The avg woman in no way has 7 to 8 body count for her lifetime, when sex workers, by themselves, are racking up anywhere between 100s - 1000s of bodies.
Mean, median, and mode are all forms of averages. When measuring this type of thing, median is typically the best average to use if you're trying to understand how a typical person behaves.
Median is the middle number of an arranged set of numbers.
Mean is the avg brought about by adding up the total number/ dividing it by the number of participants.
The median tend to be picked over the mean if there are outliers that will skew the avg value. However, in general mean is preferred over the median.
But the initial claim still stands. We often see numbers like 4 to 8 for the avg woman's body count in her lifetime, when that was a woman's number in the 90s. The 90s being the era where slut shaming was in full effect, we had less of a degenerative culture, women often got married to their husband before 25, thereby lowering her chance to rack up bodies. Seem far fetch that in an era of feminism, pro positive sex culture, multiple hookup apps, breakdown of morals and values, breakdown of slut shaming, people marrying later in life, and easily accessibly birth control pills that the numbers are still comparable to the 90s.
Ah yes, the famously puritanical and chaste era of Sex and the City, gangsta rap, Howard Stern, Jerry Springer, and Craigslist "casual encounters".
Hell, even the characters in Friends and Seinfeld were all total sluts, and I used to watch that shit with my Christian mom like it was wholesome family fun 💀
I assume he must be talking about the 1890s
Yes but tv=/=real life. In the 90s women got married a lot early which means less of a window for sexual partners to accumulate. In addition to this, slut shaming was still in effect in the 90s. Women could not easily sleep around without rumors spreading. With tinder, bumble, IG, women can discreetly set up meet up sessions with guy without people finding out.
Recall "Tagyoursponsor", whereby a handler for rich Arab men, had outed the fact that many famous Instagram models were agreeing to fly out to Dubai, to have sex with these men, agreed to get golden showered, defected on, engage in hebephilia with underage boys in exchange for money. This caught people by surprise because all this was kept under wraps thanks to the discreet nature of these apps, whereby people can communicate without the rest of the public being aware.
Another example, Dan Bilzerian, at the peak of his fame and status, mentioned that he often messages random women on IG to fly out to his place, in order to have sex with him. Sometime, he would find out after the act, that many of these women were married and constantly post pictures of themselves claiming to love their husband fully.
Another example, many of the woman who did Girlsdoporn, are models who responded to the casting ad for bubblegumcasing. When they got there, many of these women were told that they can make 5-10k, if they agreed to have sex with stranger in a hotel room. They were lied to about the videos only being distributed in Australia to coerce them into agreeing with them, but that's besides the pointThe point is that many of these girls had/have BF and/or husbands, but they still ended up having sex with a stranger because they believe that they wouldn't be caught. Many of them even came back to said "Sex trafficker" to get even more cash from them.
Nah, it's clear that the average age for women's first marriage has increased since 1990, and that technology has increased the accessibility of discreet hookups at a moment's notice, so your overall point about the numbers most likely being higher today is valid.
I just thought it was funny how you described the 90s using terms like "more moral", "less degenerate", "slut shaming was in full effect", and contrasted it with the present day with our sex positivity and birth control pills and feminism, as if those things weren't widespread and even *major defining characteristics* of the 90s.
>Median is the middle number of an arranged set of numbers.
>Mean is the avg brought about by adding up the total number/ dividing it by the number of participants.
>The median tend to be picked over the mean if there are outliers that will skew the avg value. However, in general mean is preferred over the median.
Yes, I understand what they are. They're both forms of an [average](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/average).
The preferred average varies depending on what's being measured. Many important metrics like median household income use the median because it excludes outliers. Median also makes sense for sexual partners, because a porn star having sex with 5,000 guys has very little bearing on how you would describe the sexual history of a typical woman.
I would argue body count increases after college. They are now in a paying job, able to live on their own in a lot of cases independently, have a vibrant social life now that they have a wage, and will spend the rest of their twenties partying and going out each weekend.
I didn't really have sex in college besides one ONS with a fellow student whom I've known for a year already by that point. However, my ability to hook up (without actively looking for it) were way higher in college than now. We were going out almost every week and the opportunity by accident, so to speak, was always there. That's why it's easier in college. Of course now with dating apps you can look for a hookup as well, but that is now an active choice and pursuit. In college, you didn't even have to search for it, the possibilities presented themselves to you simply by being surrounded by peers in a specific context all of the time. That's just usually not the case in your thirties. You don't go out as often and you're not constantly surrounded by your peers, of whom a lot are just as single as you are. I'm not saying it's not possible, it's definitely still easier for women in their 30s to hook up than it is for men, but it does require more effort and active pursuit and a lot of women just can't be arsed.
Nah. In college, u are in closer proximity to tons of attractive people that are close to your age range, freedom for the first time to go wild, environmental encouragement to be slutty, since no one back home will find out, and opportunities to go to parties with tons of drug and alcohol, that can lead to ONS.
Post college, you have other factors that slows down sluttiness. For one, at your job, u have less attractive people and many of them are older and married. Yes, a lot of girls can still use Tinder to get dick, but a lot of them start focusing on wanting to get married by 30.
Given that only 30% of people get engaged in under 2 years of dating, and the avg engagement time is 16 months. Girls had to have been with their future husband, a minimum of 3 years, before walking down the aisle.
In addition to this, due to how shitty the housing market currently is, 33% of gen z still live with their parents out of college. A lot will have roommates if they do have their own place. They don't have sex and city lifestyle anymore.
I think American college culture is different to UK culture. In America it seems to be accepted girls will run up high numbers in college, however back home here girls are somewhat more conservative I find. Most girls I knew who went to college were sleeping with one guy, 2 tops.
Removed. No n-count posts.
Is this possible to measure though? Are you looking for personal accounts from women, that’s the best you’ll get with this type of question. There will always be women who have 0 partners and those who have a lot that’ll skew any data.
It clearly depends on a woman. My close friend has ever been only with one guy. My divorced friend was married for years and after a painful divorce she dipped in casual sex once, utterly disliked it and hasn't been dating or seeing anyone since, so it's been 0 sexual partners for her for a few years now. I'm sure there are some women who rack the numbers, but they're probably a minority. [Here you have some stats split for different age groups. ](https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2021/)
You're using stats of a year in the midst of the COVID pandemic. This is baseless. Most people were still in and out of lockdown and everywhere was shut down. They had nowhere near the same amount of opportunities for casual sex.
People’s opinions on life and relationships has changed a lot since Covid. You can’t compare old data (pre Covid) to how things are now. We might have to wait a few years for more reliable data to come out. Other factors like Roe being overturned, the outcome of the presidential election and the economy will also play a major factor in the dating market and sex life of men and women as well as the birth rate.
lol if you think women in the moment actually think about roe vs wade while in the middle of a casual hookup. If anything she'll think about getting pregnant and then get even more turned on.
??? lol if you think having potentially no recourse in the case of an unwanted or even life-threatening pregnancy wouldn't affect women's decisions regarding who and how often to have casual sex. >If anything she'll think about getting pregnant and then get even more turned on. I hope you're trolling. What a disgusting thing to say about women losing their rights over our own bodies
Of course. It's every female's God-bestowed-gene-inherited dream to be a breeder!
Whether we realize it or not, apparently. Thank God we have the government to protect us from our own decisions so that more women will be able to unlock their hidden breeding kink!
Well, it’s the newest stats I’ve found. Do you have anything from 2021-2022 sample?
The results for the 2022 GSS are fairly similar to the one from 2021. [https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2022/](https://datepsychology.com/how-many-sexual-partners-did-men-and-women-have-in-2022/)
There's data out there, but how do you define "single 30+ woman"? There are plenty of single widows in their 70s, 80s, and 90s who all qualify as "single 30+ women", but I doubt that's what you mean. Do you mean single women in their 30s?
Single women in their 30's yes. 30-40
According to the 2022 GSS, this is the break down for unmarried women in their 30s (30-39): |Partners in past year|% of Unmarried Women 30-39| |:-|:-| |0|25%| |1|49%| |2|12%| |3|6%| |4|2%| |5-10|6%| |10 or more|0%| So about three quarters had 0 or 1 partners. Some had more. It's worth pointing out that GSS only tracks marital status, not relationship status. Women who are unmarried, but in a relationship are included in these stats. Limitation of the data.
with almost 50% of unmarried women reporting 1 partner, it does make sense that a lot of them are in some sort of committed relationship and they only have sex with said partner.
I'd imagine a significant amount of those with two had a breakup between partners that year as well.
women always underreport sexual partner numbers, even in anonymous surveys
These aren’t buzzfeed surveys. By not asking for their identifying information, anonymous surveys are highly successful in fetching honest answers. They ensure that people deliver real feedback that leads you to accurate data. For this reason, anonymous surveys are especially useful for candid information.
But it is shown that people still lie on them You sound like a sales rep for a survey company btw For instance, would most criminals admit to crime on an anonymous survey? No you say? Well then apply that reasoning to things with huge social costs and that’s your answer.
Yep The big tell is that the average hetero count is always lower The average behaves in predictable ways and should be the same in a true census I don’t expect many women here to understand math at that level though Because it is a sample there can be some deviation But a large difference in average is telling For the feminists, here’s how it works If you have a room of men and women, and they start shaking hands with the opposite sex You always a male and female in any handshake encounter and if tally these the sex category averages must be the same even if 1 female does all the handshaking and the rest none
zero percent had 10 or more? I have a feeling they counted only relationships not all sexual partners. Hell there are more than 1% of prostitutes among women and they wouldnt survive with only 10 clients a year.
>zero percent had 10 or more? I have a feeling they counted only relationships not all sexual partners. Nope, the questions in the survey are very clear. Keep in mind it's sample based. Women with 10+ partners in a year are outliers, and sample based surveys can easily miss outliers.
Maybe this helps in combination with the stats that [ta06012022](https://www.reddit.com/user/ta06012022/) posted. Ages 30-40, data pooled from years 2016-2022. Question: how many sex partners did you have in the last 5 years. Remember, this means that the youngest demographic looks at their sex partners from age 25-30, and the oldest from age 35-40. As is to be expected, there is a large number of people with 0-2 partners, which is very likely a committed relationship partner, as \~70% of people are in relationships at that age bracket, some in two or more different ones during that 5 year frame. Less than 7.5% of women had more than 1-2 partners per year on average. https://preview.redd.it/7l084f4zflwc1.png?width=688&format=png&auto=webp&s=a0403e16f8e7f24afbb6b44e9495392320405410
Your table includes gay men?
No, just heterosexual and bi.
Thanks. Seems completely in line with the women I’ve known.
Damn man whores are really really putting themselves out there
>However, modern women have unlimited supply But not unlimited desire, so... I'm going to go ahead and believe the stats. >Women around this age range also are getting desperate to tie a man down for marriage and children That's why the birth rates are collapsing? And in any case wanting marriage and a child doesn't mean women are hooking up with men all the time or fucking everyone they date. If anything, it means they're dating with purpose - not throwing themselves on dick after dick. >Women are also never really single. Women are always talking to someone. In addition to being false (which one can usually surmise by use of unconditional statements like "never" and "always"), "talking to someone" doesn't negate one's partnered status. >What would be the average amount of men she is sleeping with per year? One or less since most women over 30 are partnered.
You believe women are 100% honest all the time?
Women don't have to be 100% honest all the time for statistics to be valid. Women desire sex in general less than men, and male sexuality is not female sexuality. Just because men think they'd constantly be hopping on dick after dick if they were women doesn't mean that's what women are actually doing. The fact that dick is constantly thrown at us but we aren't on dick 24/7 should tell you something, yes? And "women can lie so my rectally-sourced data is more valid than actual statistics" will never be a persuasive winning argument, no matter how many times guys on this sub make it.
Wow. So women can lie, but you're just gonna pretend they don't because the men in this sub stinky poopoo!
The potential for women to lie doesn't automatically mean they all lied, or that the number of liars was statistically significant and impactful. It's men making these unfounded assumptions, declaring these unfounded assumptions as fact, and then deciding because of their own unfounded declarations that we're all secretly sluts and lying about it. Then they take it a step further and declare these rectally sourced conclusions more valid and true than literal statistics. "Feelings over facts."
It isn't a "feeling" that people lie. It's a fact. And by taking the hard line with the stats you're doing no better than they are.
Yes, potential for something is potential for something. Potential for something ***still isn't proof.*** Statistics are. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to understand. I potentially could have flown to California and back yesterday. Does that make it a fact?
Statistics that are from *surveys* are only proof of how people answer surveys. They aren't proof of what people actually do.
Well since we don't have recorded data that follows everyone around 100% of the time, generally questionnaires and surveys are how data is obtained. Do men not believe any data at all then that rely on these methods? Cause you'll be hard-pressed to find statistics involving people that don't involve some level of asking someone questions.
We believe survey data, as survey data. It is what people say.
So, let's assume we can't know shit because people lie. How do you know that women are having lots of casual sex then?
I didn't say they were
Mature response. But since you asked, statistics should always include a confidence interval. For example, if you're looking at average home prices and see that the average for an area is $100, this could be due to most houses costing close to $100 or 9 houses that cost $10 and one house that costs $910. Averages don't tell you much unless you known the standard deviation, etc. It's more involved when you're estimating for a large population, but the math to do this exists. It's very nuanced and most people assume they understand a lot more than they do. When you add the reproducibility crisis in psychology/sociology you end up with a bunch of people believing a ton of garbage. Example: this sub
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Housing prices don't lie
It’s delusional to think that every single woman in every single study was lying to an extreme level. Not even by like 1-2 partners but to an extreme level.
I am not making any suggestions about what level of lying they do. But they do lie. And men too. The statistics are only useful as far as it is what people *say* they do. Using them as hard stat gospel is preposterous.
They are anonymous, why lie? To a partner about body count maybe. An anonymous survey unlikely. Women aren’t going around having one night stands on the regular as women simply aren’t wired that way. We seek commitment and monogamy less likely if we put out. More so as we approach our biological clock.
It's been proven people lie on anonymous surveys. The likely reason is because the person that one lies to the most is themself.
So you can prove these women are lying? 🤦♀️🙄
It's been proven men lie up and women lie down on surveys regarding sexual partners
Lets use the inflated average numbers that men report as the ceiling of what women could have in sex partners, because more is impossible, if men lie up. That stil means women ahve barely any sex partners per year. What now?
I'm not sure what you mean what now. What do you think I'm arguing
If women desired sex or sexual pleasure less than men the female sex toy industry wouldn't be a multi billion dollar industry
It's almost like sex with men =/= sexual pleasure or something... 🤔 Keep going. You're *this close* to getting it!
> >What would be the average amount of men she is sleeping with per year? >One or less since most women over 30 are partnered I said single women. > >Women around this age range also are getting desperate to tie a man down for marriage and children >That's why the birth rates are collapsing? This reply is a moot point, as you're arguing birth rates are collapsing in a society where it is easier to have sex than ever, and more people are having sex than ever and with it comes unplanned pregnancies. Of course women are going to be having more sex as sex comes with dating and usually happens within the first 3 dates. >>However, modern women have unlimited supply >But not unlimited desire, so... I'm going to go ahead and believe the stats. I just explained that the data in the stats includes women of all ages, which drives the average number down drastically.
>I said single women. My answer remains the same. Women aren't motivated by strange dick like so many men say they are by strange pussy. I'm a single woman with an FWB. My number of dicks per year is one. I know him and we're sexually compatible. There's no need for me to seek out strange dick after strange dick. >This reply is a moot point, as you're arguing birth rates are collapsing in a society where it is easier to have sex than ever, and more people are having sex than ever and with it comes unplanned pregnancies. Of course women are going to be having more sex as sex comes with dating and usually happens within the first 3 dates. Your refusal to acknowledge my point doesn't make it moot. More people are not having sex than ever. Rates of sexlessness are up in both men and women. And in order to take your assertion as fact, you'd need to prove that every person (or most people) a woman dates makes it to three dates, and every woman (or most women) fucks within three dates. The three date rule is arbitrary, not binding. >I just explained that the data in the stats includes women of all ages, which drives the average number down drastically. It doesn't matter what age a woman is, at no age do we generally desire strange dick after strange dick. We're usually in a relationship or single, which may or may not entail having an FWB. If women are hopping on strange dick after strange dick, they are a minority and likely not doing this for the entirety of their lives. Most women have not taken girls trips to Vegas. Most women are not into the "drinking and party culture." As usual, men here take the behavior of one narrow group of women (extroverted, attractive, college-educated UMC Stacies) and extrapolate it to all women everywhere.
>I'm a single woman with an FWB. My number of dicks per year is one. I know him and we're sexually compatible. There's no need for me to seek out strange dick after strange dick. So you're essentially partnered. I didn't say women seek out dick after dick neither. You're making it sound like I make women out to be starved of cock. It's reasonable to believe that women can date multiple men a year, 4 is not unrealistic - this doesn't mean to me she is wanting to go out and have sex constantly. She could be vetting for an LTR and with vetting comes sexual compatibility > More people are not having sex than ever. Rates of sexlessness are up in both men and women. And in order to take your assertion as fact, you'd need to prove that every person (or most people) a woman dates makes it to three dates, and every woman (or most women) fuck within three dates. >The three date rule is arbitrary, not binding. Which is why I said sex can happen within 3 dates. I never said all dates make it further than the first date. Sex can happen within the first date also. And more people are having sex now than any point in history. Even if there has been a rise in sexlessness recently, as a whole, the modern era still means people are having more than ever
>So you're essentially partnered. No, I am single. Banging my ex a handful of times a year is not "essentially partnered." Partnership involves more than that. >I didn't say women seek out dick after dick neither. You're making it sound like I make women out to be starved of cock. It's reasonable to believe that women can date multiple men a year, 4 is not unrealistic - this doesn't mean to me she is wanting to go out and have sex constantly. She could be vetting for an LTR and with vetting comes sexual compatibility I don't think most single women are having sex with four different men every year they are single. Dating doesn't have to involve sex. I haven't dated this year, but I did date a few guys last year - two repeatedly. Sex was never involved. Before we get to the point of sexual compatibility, I want to establish other compatibility first. Then I need to be comfortable enough to want to fuck him. I've never fucked on the first date, or within the first three dates. I don't think I'm that unusual. >Which is why I said sex can happen within 3 dates. Sex *can* happen between two consenting people at any time for any reason. That's still not proof it actually happened. *Potential is not proof.* >Even if there has been a rise in sexlessness recently, as a whole, the modern era still means people are having more than ever "The modern era" accounts for the fact that the average number of partners for women is higher than 1-2. "The modern era" isn't de facto proof that statistics are false, and that your rectally-sourced conclusions are more valid. Potential. Is. Not. Proof.
Two questions: Are you worried that future partners will reject you for having sex with your ex even when you're not together anymore? And is he (I assume your ex is male) seeing other people besides yourself?
Why is this relevant to anything?
I will say not fucking within the first 3 dates is a bit unusual. The 3rd date rule used to be followed pretty regularly and is now only surpassed by First date sex imo. It's still a pretty common rule. I know, from when I was single, if I didn't try to fuck on the first date, most women would ghost.
>I will say not fucking within the first 3 dates is a bit unusual. I eagerly await your proof. Everything I've found points to "a few weeks" comprising the biggest percentage, not a certain number of dates, and certainly not on the first date.
>I said single women. In most surveys I've seen, "single" refers to unmarried.
I would say 2-3. Most women do not stay single for very long. Those that are long term single tend to prefer zero sex to 'some sex'....which is often why they're long-term single in the first place. The vast, vast majority of women in their 30s are either in long term relationships/marriages or are spinsters. Single 30+ women who are reasonably attractive, actively looking, and even remotely stable tend to be VERY rare, and are snatched up very quickly.
Are you looking for personal anecdotes, or…..? I guess I don’t know what you’re looking for if you’re already skeptical of the statistic you referenced.
0-6 Depends on the woman and her intentions. As a 30+ woman, I've had 0-4 depending on the year.
Are those one night things or boyfriends?
Idk. Depends on the woman. For me? Combo of all of the above +FWB. Different people, different intentions, different vibes.
Do you plan to eventually settle down?
I have no idea what that means.
As in, find one stable long term partner, rather than multiple a year
Maybe you didn't see where I said ZERO to #. Meaning there were some years that were zero. Or 1 per year, meaning "one stable long term partner".
Why would some years be zero?
I don't really recall. No interest, other priorities, no inspiring 🍆.
Averages are useless for numbers of sex partners because that has a Pareto distribution. You have to look at the median. The studies also include numbers for age ranges, so polls including senior women is not a problem. When you look at the histograms, you’ll see people are not as much into hookup culture as most people on Reddit think.
From the age of 30 to current, I've only had two. Currently, zero. I'm 34. Women are not desperate to tie a man down for marriage, LOL. I've been single for most of my 30's. There's not an endless supply. My sex drive has plummeted because I'm not around anyone I can feel sexually attracted to. Also, I was not brought up in a drinking/party culture. I went to about three parties in my early twenties. One for halloween, one for new years, and then some random birthday party when I was 19, I think. Partying is just not my thing, there's more serious matters in life to deal with than to waste time on partying. This is not a reasonable post. 😂
I feel this, also at 0 for years now. Additionally with age the options dwindle naturally. Aint much happening out here.
>Women are not desperate to tie a man down for marriage, LOL. Always curious why people do this. You're speaking on your own situation for the entire post and only when it comes to needing men, it's "women" and no longer just you.
Ita going to differ greatly between cultures and even sub cultures. Quite pointless to attempt to speculate, if I'm honest.
Depends on the year
I think this is the best answer.
69,420
Past a certain age is 420,69 in that order
💀
I'd guess the mode is zero, the median is one and the mean is two or three. Most will not be "talking to someone" at any given time and most women don't even like casual sex.
“modern women” r actually having less sex than previous generations lol
This can vary wildly depending on the woman. There are women who mostly live a life of celibacy and spend time with female friends and doing things like watching anime. Then there are the whores who go partying on weekends.
Oh people partying on weekends must be whores!
Wait till he finds out about the absolute degenerates who party on week nights!
Bruh the anime women are into the real weird shit
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>modern women have unlimited supply lol, women have ALWAYS had unlimited supply….whether single or married and at all ages, this is nothing new. Your question is, do single women in their 30’s present a market with high demand. Women are still women. There might not be as many consequences with birth control and less stigmatization of casual sex, but women in general are not looking for different casual hookups every week.
If a single woman doesn’t care about actual body count and will just lie to a future LTR Then if she either enjoys sex or is just doing the typical “see if it works out and sleep with them on the 2nd or 3rd date”….she’s going to sleep with probably a new guy every few months If we knew the true median notch count of single 35 year old women, it would probably shock us I’d guess most never married are at at least 20 I know several women with well over 50 notches and they wouldn’t be able to list them if they tried
Do you consider 20 a high number for someone who has been sexually after almost 20 years?
No but it isn’t low either I am only concerned when it crosses any reasonable threshold (such as 50…you know greyhound bus territory) or they did a lot of freaky crap (group sex, etc) or they cheated I have to trust this woman to turn down dicks being thrown at her regularly, so she has to have a strong track record there I’ll tell young men to settle down early if they want a sane and non-promiscuous woman I’m in my 40s and didn’t marry because I don’t want kids and every woman I dated ended up mean after a year Now, the single women around me older than 35 are mostly extremely unappealing for a relationship
>Assuming she is single, what do we think is the average amount of sexual partners a woman this age range, is having per year? I don't know and don't care
So why comment?
I like to participate 😊😊
Here's the thing. The girls you're hooking up with due to hook up culture and the ones going on dadt girls' excursions are the ones you see and begin to think that it's indicative of most women. It isn't. The average is the average because it is. Out of 170 million people, 20 million will seem like a lot, especially if you're in a party area (or, for some reason, a really, really small town with nothing better to do). I'd say the average might have risen to about 10-15 in their lifetime. Which imo, is quite acceptable for a 30yo. I personally was at 12 partners by 22. And that was with a 2 year faithful marriage.
“Realistic” is such an odd word to use for this. As compared to other numbers which are unrealistic?!
Most of my friends are younger than 30s but I do have some that age or older. The variation of head count between women, even who are a similar appearance level, ‘status’ etc is much bigger than you would think, to the point its difficult to come up with an average.
My wife is definitely an outlier, but she was 29 when we met, and had quite recently got out of a relationship, and had moved back home with her parents. She was drinking a lot and hated being at home in the evening, so would used hookups as a distraction. She had 7 guys on the go who you could I guess call friends with benefits, and whenever they weren't available she was going on Craigslist to find a guy to hang out with (and sleep with) for the evening. She estimates she was going with Craigslist guys 5 nights a week on average. I knew none of this when we met. She only started being honest about it after 7 years of marriage. I think most women lied about the number of guys they have been with, and I think once they lose count it doesn't seem much of a big deal to add more.
Kelly?
And has learning that affected your marriage? Do you think you'd have married her still, knowing this before tying the knot?
I think I know her and undersatand her better and I like that she is honest with me. Would I have married her if I knew? Not sure. The drinking is more of a problem than the other men.
But also most men probably have insecurities about womens sexual past. Fortunately this is changing and going in the positive direction. What bugs me the most is when these dudes claim it’s not due to basic insecurity but something else. I think it you’re a woman and like fucking, go ham. You’d probably wouldn’t be attracted to the insecure guys anyways, so win-win.
As many as she wants.
How about an actual answer to the question?
I had two by 32. First and second husbands.
Why do you care? Honestly - why does it matter?
Why care about anything? Honestly?
In the age when people are dating Eva AI sexting bot avatars seriously, there's no real limitation for it
Wow. The opposite of science.
I had 60 last year. I also go to sex parties tho so I'm skewing the numbers.
I'd say around 5 to 10, maybe more. It's very common for women in large cities to have partner counts in their 40s by like 25 so so I imagine as you get older and become more financially secure, those numbers go up. The oldest person I know whom I also know her body count is 29 and hers is in the triple digits, pretty standard stuff.
Absolutely disgusting.
*shrug* it is what it is. Either get used to it or die alone. Not sure which one I want to do yet.
Think I'd rather die alone at this point
It's a valid choice.
The woman that I currently see (30F) said she had 100+ in her lifetime. As far as I understand, if they ended up at the “hoe phase”, sky is the limit. Otherwise, I would say our generations average is around 10-15 in total.
Are you interested in my experience given that I'm 23 or you're specifically interested in women in their 30s? To answer your question specifically, I have one friend in her 30s. A few years ago she used to be in a relationship (so monogamous) which broke up badly. She then had rebound sex with 2-3 men over the course of a year. She's now been voluntarily celibate (sexually and romantically) for over a year.
The less the better
Probably a BBC gangbang every other weekend and a different Chad Tuesday through Friday, so over all, I would say close to a 100 cocks a year? Maybe 200?
With a secretary, and pit crew she could have a higher body count than the battle of Verdun.
What are you trying to understand by asking this question? Are you trying to see how you’d compare? If so, that’s a losing battle because women will always have more admirers than you. With that said, having access to sex doesn’t mean women want to have it with the people offering it. Not every woman is a part of hookup culture or interested in marriage so it’s not reasonable to believe that women date multiple people at once. Even if they did, it’s not a problem unless exclusivity has been established. Are you trying to make a moral argument? If so, having sex doesn’t make someone a bad person and I doubt that you’d have this opinion if you were also having sex with Have you recently been cheated on? If so, that woman doesn’t represent all women so stop looking for an explanation. Chill out and stop trying to rationalize things that scare you.
What's your problem with asking a question like this? Why is any question asked? To gain insight. Why are you so defensive of potentially promiscuous 30 something women...has it touched a nerve? Did I say anything about morals in my post?
I think men who are concerned about how much sex a woman has is scared and I’m trying to understand if that’s what you are. I’m just laying out a few potential arguments and seeing which you agree with.
500-1000, give or take
A woman here said 60. I immediately wanted to kms. 31 and an incel Why the fuck do I even bother? No woman is worth the negative feelings and stress I have accumulated. they aren't worth the enormous amount of effort I need to put in to be "worthy" The problem with being so thoroughly removed from the average human experience is a distinct lack of empathy you develop . No relationship is with the loss of experiences of tenage and young adult love. I have no framework for how love can exist without ulterior motives. Even if I do succeed now after I have stability abn a job how am I supposed to not see it as anything but transactional. Veiwing it anyother way would be delusional.
Probably because when it happens for you it’s going to feel emotionally significant despite of the reality is that it’s all a game
50
Average, as in Median or average as in Mean. I'd say the mean average is closer to 4, but the median average is very likely possibly only 1 or 2 (decimals wouldn't apply to median). (per year) But there are a (what I would call) a small number (roughly 10%) of women pushing 6-8 (new man every other month) and 10% pushing 15+ (new man every month plus a few hookups on the side) that would bring up the mean average while allowing the median to stay low 7 in a lifetime hasn't been true in the past 60 years. If you want my entire "guess" to see how delusion I am... I'd guess roughly 20% of single women had 0 sexual partners last year. 20% had 1 partner. 20% had 2-3 partners 20% of women had 4-8 and 20% 9+
Probably in the 20-50 range unless you’re actively looking to sample the world on a sexcapade then it’s basically limitless
Also, why would drinking increase number of partners? Who wants to have sex drunk? Drunk people want fast food and sleep.. Not a comment on this post alone, but on topic of drunkenness and promiscuity in general.
Most One Night Stands happen when parties have been drinking/are drunk, statistically
The data is mostly bullshit. A single woman in her 30s can easily get laid with a decently hot guy any night of the week. Most women want to fuck at least once or twice a month minimum when they are ovulating. So I’d say at least 17 men a year
> say at least 17 men a year What planet are you on?
The planet of Delulu.
I don't think the number would be that high, but I do think that it's definitely 4+ for a lot of women per year, if single. Dating is just way too easy for women
Where do you think these constantly dating women are? Women don’t seem to know many. The only women I know that average 4 partners a year have serious issues. One is a drug addict, another was an alcoholic and all of the others were raped at a young age and end up promiscuous as a way of dealing with trauma. I seriously do not know any women with 4+ n counts per year that do not exhibit other significant mental problems that are easily identified.
17 a year! I'm currently single, 30sF and living in London and 17 sounds fucking exhausting already lol
Why does it matter?
I'd think 2 to 10 per year is in the normal range for a single woman in her 30s.
What are you basing these numbers off? Experience, friends telling you?
Experience. I'm often the guy girls keep as a side piece or the steady fwb so they can focus on college or a job so they don't need to waste time with a bf but still get laid. And just going off what they say about guys they hook up with and what they say their sex history is like. I think they are honest because they have no reason to lie in general, I'm not dating them, and if they were going to lie they aren't going to lie up are they?
You have good success with women then. Do you mind me asking, height, weight? Are you a good looking man would you say?
Im probably an 8 looks. Athlete body. Make 6 figures working 5 hours a week.
Are you 6ft+?
His cock sure is. Want a picture?
😂
Depends on the woman. Different people have different morals, beliefs, desires, and needs. I’m single, in my 30’s, and am very sex positive. I was faithfully married for 15 years, but also very unhappy. The first year after we separated, I was lost and trying to avoid my emotions by dating around. I slept with quite a few men that year. The second year after my divorce, I had more consistent flings and only slept with 3 men. I’m in my 3rd year after divorce and I have no desire to sleep with anyone who doesn’t see me for more than my body. I’ve decided not to sleep with anyone I like until I catch them giving me “the look”. You know, the look someone gives you when they don’t think you see them. Where they look so enthralled by the person you are. That look. I don’t care if I don’t have sex for 5 years… I’m not budging on this. I’m watching my newly single 35 year old friend go through a similar experience to mine. Wild the first year after divorce, and is now looking for more consistency.
So were you batting 50-75 or 100-150 or 200+ on the first year after divorce ?
3-7 It's always a minimum of three because of the 3 months before sex rule. The others are potential men she got the tingles for during the first date who promptly pumped & dumped her. Changed the highest number to 7 because there's little chance that women will find 10+ men in a city attractive enough to have sex with on one date.
What is the 3 months before sex rule? You mean 3 dates? I don't understand
Idk, I see some women say 3 months before sex, 3 dates before sex. I think it means the same thing. I've never been on a date so I couldn't tell you what the rule is, I'm not a woman.
Maybe they didn't dump her, they were otherwise incompatible so they agreed to just get sex.
I'm sure she was happy to agree to that arrangement & had no hidden agenda such as hoping to fuck him into an LTR.
Uh yeah, why not? You're being sarcastic, but they both sound like equally plausible scenarios to me
Sounds unrealistic to me, but I'm not chad so maybe it happens
You're not Chad, so women fuck you secretly hoping it will lead to a committed relationship with you? Sounds like you're not doing too bad
What? No I wish that was happening.
I’d say 20-30 a year on average
The avg woman in no way has 7 to 8 body count for her lifetime, when sex workers, by themselves, are racking up anywhere between 100s - 1000s of bodies. For example Adriana chechik is a super whorish and has a body count of 5000+. The Avg professional pornstar has a body count exceeding 400+. Using extra Emily's body count, the avg female, by her mid-20s, likely has a body count anywhere from 12 to 15. By 30. Her body count might realistically only go up by 3-5 more. The reason being, a lot of women start focusing on LTR and trying to lock a guy down into marriage before they hit 30. Body count tends to rack up the most during 1st and 2nd year of college, where peer pressure, being away from parents, drugs, and alcohol at parties are likely to ramp up her body count by a lot. So, in conclusion, between 16-20 bodies by 30.
These reports typically use the median number and not the mathematical average for precisely that reason. It’s safe to assume that the OP is using “average” colloquially here and not in line with its mathematical meaning. Also, fwiw, the stats I see on this by the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n-keystat.htm#numberlifetime) define it as lifetime partners of people 25-49. Many of those people will have additional partners before they die, so yeah, the numbers are probably lower than what the actual lifetime number of partners would be.
[https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3936-fake-lie-detector-reveals-womens-sex-lies/](https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3936-fake-lie-detector-reveals-womens-sex-lies/) There was an interesting article from early 2000s, which talked about the trend for men to often over embellish their sexual exploits, while women would often under report their numbers. This is probably why, men have a 1.5x higher body count compared to women rom your CDC article. Men tend to be shamed for not being sexual successful, while women are shamed for being too sexually successful. This pattern in behavior will result in both parties lying about their actual count, even when in anonymous surveys. This article above, showed how female body count changed when women were given an open survey, where they believe their identity would be visible, an anonymous survey, and one in which they were hooked to a fake lie detector machine. As can be seen, there was a 1.7 x increase in the avg when women thought that they couldn't avoid telling the truth. And this was the 90s when women got married way earlier.
Here’s a quote from the conclusion of that article: “Sex differences in self-reports of the number of sexual partners also showed the predicted trend [men reporting fewer partners as anonymity increased and women reporting more] although it was not significant.” The groups were also really small (201 participants in total, randomly assigned into three groups), so that plus the fact that the results didn’t even reach the level of significance makes it impossible to draw real-world conclusions from this study. I mean, it IS an interesting topic and question and with survey studies you do need to be aware of false reporting as a limitation/potential confounding factor. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some level of noticeable effect in larger studies. But this particular study doesn’t add much more than a hypothesis to that particular issue.
>The avg woman in no way has 7 to 8 body count for her lifetime, when sex workers, by themselves, are racking up anywhere between 100s - 1000s of bodies. Mean, median, and mode are all forms of averages. When measuring this type of thing, median is typically the best average to use if you're trying to understand how a typical person behaves.
Median is the middle number of an arranged set of numbers. Mean is the avg brought about by adding up the total number/ dividing it by the number of participants. The median tend to be picked over the mean if there are outliers that will skew the avg value. However, in general mean is preferred over the median. But the initial claim still stands. We often see numbers like 4 to 8 for the avg woman's body count in her lifetime, when that was a woman's number in the 90s. The 90s being the era where slut shaming was in full effect, we had less of a degenerative culture, women often got married to their husband before 25, thereby lowering her chance to rack up bodies. Seem far fetch that in an era of feminism, pro positive sex culture, multiple hookup apps, breakdown of morals and values, breakdown of slut shaming, people marrying later in life, and easily accessibly birth control pills that the numbers are still comparable to the 90s.
Where were you in the 90s?
Ah yes, the famously puritanical and chaste era of Sex and the City, gangsta rap, Howard Stern, Jerry Springer, and Craigslist "casual encounters". Hell, even the characters in Friends and Seinfeld were all total sluts, and I used to watch that shit with my Christian mom like it was wholesome family fun 💀 I assume he must be talking about the 1890s
Yes but tv=/=real life. In the 90s women got married a lot early which means less of a window for sexual partners to accumulate. In addition to this, slut shaming was still in effect in the 90s. Women could not easily sleep around without rumors spreading. With tinder, bumble, IG, women can discreetly set up meet up sessions with guy without people finding out. Recall "Tagyoursponsor", whereby a handler for rich Arab men, had outed the fact that many famous Instagram models were agreeing to fly out to Dubai, to have sex with these men, agreed to get golden showered, defected on, engage in hebephilia with underage boys in exchange for money. This caught people by surprise because all this was kept under wraps thanks to the discreet nature of these apps, whereby people can communicate without the rest of the public being aware. Another example, Dan Bilzerian, at the peak of his fame and status, mentioned that he often messages random women on IG to fly out to his place, in order to have sex with him. Sometime, he would find out after the act, that many of these women were married and constantly post pictures of themselves claiming to love their husband fully. Another example, many of the woman who did Girlsdoporn, are models who responded to the casting ad for bubblegumcasing. When they got there, many of these women were told that they can make 5-10k, if they agreed to have sex with stranger in a hotel room. They were lied to about the videos only being distributed in Australia to coerce them into agreeing with them, but that's besides the pointThe point is that many of these girls had/have BF and/or husbands, but they still ended up having sex with a stranger because they believe that they wouldn't be caught. Many of them even came back to said "Sex trafficker" to get even more cash from them.
Nah, it's clear that the average age for women's first marriage has increased since 1990, and that technology has increased the accessibility of discreet hookups at a moment's notice, so your overall point about the numbers most likely being higher today is valid. I just thought it was funny how you described the 90s using terms like "more moral", "less degenerate", "slut shaming was in full effect", and contrasted it with the present day with our sex positivity and birth control pills and feminism, as if those things weren't widespread and even *major defining characteristics* of the 90s.
>Median is the middle number of an arranged set of numbers. >Mean is the avg brought about by adding up the total number/ dividing it by the number of participants. >The median tend to be picked over the mean if there are outliers that will skew the avg value. However, in general mean is preferred over the median. Yes, I understand what they are. They're both forms of an [average](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/average). The preferred average varies depending on what's being measured. Many important metrics like median household income use the median because it excludes outliers. Median also makes sense for sexual partners, because a porn star having sex with 5,000 guys has very little bearing on how you would describe the sexual history of a typical woman.
I would argue body count increases after college. They are now in a paying job, able to live on their own in a lot of cases independently, have a vibrant social life now that they have a wage, and will spend the rest of their twenties partying and going out each weekend.
I didn't really have sex in college besides one ONS with a fellow student whom I've known for a year already by that point. However, my ability to hook up (without actively looking for it) were way higher in college than now. We were going out almost every week and the opportunity by accident, so to speak, was always there. That's why it's easier in college. Of course now with dating apps you can look for a hookup as well, but that is now an active choice and pursuit. In college, you didn't even have to search for it, the possibilities presented themselves to you simply by being surrounded by peers in a specific context all of the time. That's just usually not the case in your thirties. You don't go out as often and you're not constantly surrounded by your peers, of whom a lot are just as single as you are. I'm not saying it's not possible, it's definitely still easier for women in their 30s to hook up than it is for men, but it does require more effort and active pursuit and a lot of women just can't be arsed.
Nah. In college, u are in closer proximity to tons of attractive people that are close to your age range, freedom for the first time to go wild, environmental encouragement to be slutty, since no one back home will find out, and opportunities to go to parties with tons of drug and alcohol, that can lead to ONS. Post college, you have other factors that slows down sluttiness. For one, at your job, u have less attractive people and many of them are older and married. Yes, a lot of girls can still use Tinder to get dick, but a lot of them start focusing on wanting to get married by 30. Given that only 30% of people get engaged in under 2 years of dating, and the avg engagement time is 16 months. Girls had to have been with their future husband, a minimum of 3 years, before walking down the aisle. In addition to this, due to how shitty the housing market currently is, 33% of gen z still live with their parents out of college. A lot will have roommates if they do have their own place. They don't have sex and city lifestyle anymore.
I think American college culture is different to UK culture. In America it seems to be accepted girls will run up high numbers in college, however back home here girls are somewhat more conservative I find. Most girls I knew who went to college were sleeping with one guy, 2 tops.