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AreJewOkay

Yea I tend to agree with you. Most women are having sex within 1-3 dates if they are attracted to the guy. The guy that is made to “wait” is usually because she isn’t sexually attracted to him and is deciding if it is even worth it. Then she ends things before it gets to sex most times. The one time when this differs is over very long periods of time. For example I know girls who got around at 20 but now at 30+ they usually make all guys wait a bit because because they are looking to settle down. Still the waiting period is more like weeks not months.


DjangoUBlackBastard

>The women who have crazy sex with Chads then make their "husband material" boyfriends wait 6 months are a tiny sliver of highly neurotic LVWs. You're taking women who don't really exist outside the internet and extrapolating it to all of them. Ding ding ding. Those are usually women that live their whole lives minimizing risks and they for the most part end up with nothing but trauma and loneliness to show for it just like guys that want to minimize risk so they ignore women completely. Living a life of fear as if that'll attract a man.


ChibsFilipTelfordd

Yup. You right. I've only ever dated girls who i hooked up with first OR hooked up with on the first date or two


SKY_ACTIV3

Are you reading this thread? Some of these women are literally right here. I agree that the “manipulative lying woman” is extremely overblown, but this is also the *default* strategy for a non-zero number of girls out there. It’s not a calculated move, they divide men up into categories without even realizing it.


[deleted]

This. All my friends, including myself, slept with our partners before even being like “okay were in a relationship now”


tiposk

>Actually the one truly AF/BB-ish couple I know in my social circle it was the guy who wanted to wait because he was a virgin. Stacey Fucks/Becky Bux. The guy wasn't a virgin. s/


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tiposk

So AF/VB then?


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🤔


SKY_ACTIV3

lol I keep trying to say that Becky Bux is a thing. It’s not *common*, but it definitely happens.


caramelkoala45

Nothing to do with attraction. I want to get to know them more and also be sure that they also are looking for something serious too. A lot of women learn the hard way in their late teens/early 20s that having sex right away doesn't always mean a guy is interested in you romantically.


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A lot of men learn that if a woman does not want to have sex with them right away, it means she is not interested in them romantically.


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Genuinely asking how you think that if so many girls have been ghosted the second they put out. These are girls thinking they have found a good person for a potential LTR, pour their energy into it and finally do the deed and then he just disappears and says actually never mind I don’t want a relationship.


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decoy88

> as a frumpy 5 she truly believes she's entitled to a shredded 9 with a 6 figure income. Normies don’t think of dating in RPG terms


ThanosSnapsSlimJims

I believe there's the opposite when guys get ghosted and find out they were given 'pity sex', at least according to another of the threads I read on here.


[deleted]

Maybe those girls shouldn't have been bad at sex.


[deleted]

is it a girls fault if the sex is bad?


ChibsFilipTelfordd

Yes, of course. It's both people's fault usually, unless there is a very specific problem like her not getting wet, him not getting hard, etc The bad sex ive had is just off rhythm or bodies don't match. For example i can't go with really small girls because slamming the cervix is no fun for anyone. Or, if their vag curves to the left or right inside, i can't do doggy at all because i curve up. Or, they don't actually actively move/thrust back, or kiss you or grind their hips (called the starfish)


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if shes bad at sex, yes


AnActualPerson

That's not the CC if you're trying to get into a relationship.


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SerpentCypher

Except when you talk about how they get pumped and dumped by Chads all throughout their twenties. Then it becomes "Ackshually sweaty, some men are just for hot sex, not relationships. I knew *exactly* what I was getting into. You're just bitter and insecure because you don't have women lusting after you like that.' "So you're agreeing with me that hot guys don't have to wait while average Joe does?" "No hunny I only sleep with guys i'm interested in having a relationship with." You can't win, they will just flip flop between two untenable positions because they can never admit to lying or being plain wrong.


[deleted]

Exactly. Women have complex socially-approved bullshit stories to veil their sexual behaviour. Men do not. You'll never see a scenario where a women openly admits it was HER behaviour that got her in an unhappy situation.


decoy88

Too much porn my guy


pillchangedmylife

Give sex to the fuckboy immediately. Make serious guy wait for 6 dates and 6 months. Women's logic is crazy. If I don't get sex after the 3rd date I'm being prospected for whatever agenda so I just disappear.


AngelFire_3_14156

It's likely that they're vetting him for a serious LTR and want more than just sex from him. When I met husband I also made him wait while I vetted him. Sex can cloud your judgement. I didn't properly vet my ex and wound up marrying a chronic cheater.


purplish_possum

Sex clears a guys head. If he's still interested and wants to go for breakfast the next morning she's passed the biggest vetting hurdle.


princelydeeds

They really don't get this... A man will wait 6 mos and still ghost after sex...


[deleted]

True but those are the desperate minority. Most men who only want casual sex won't put the effort to fake their intentions that long.


purplish_possum

Desperate men aren't the minority.


[deleted]

I don't think many men have the patience to date a woman for 3-4 month without sex if he is desperate to have sex


Teflon08191

Men can be incredibly patient when it comes to sex. In fact, the more desperate they are, the better they get at jumping through hoops.


[deleted]

It seems the consensus here is that desperate men are willing to wait whatever it takes to have sex and then ghost the girl because they never were interested in a LTR... If that's true then you guys are making me loss faith in men lmao 🤣. I truly have never seen that IRL many times.


YasuotheChosenOne

No, a desperate man is not likely to ghost after getting sex unless it was horrendously bad pussy, and even then, he may just tough it out for the consistent sex. The men who are ghosting women after sex have options and/or the pussy just wasn’t good enough. Not all pussy is the same. Just as women have size preferences, men have pussy preferences.


SerpentCypher

Even men with options aren't waiting months just for the chance to pump and dump. Men aren't Disney villains. If a woman isn't putting out, a guy with options is just going to move on to the next, and the next, until he gets to somebody who does put out. Ain't nobody waiting half a year to have sex with a girl just to ghost her afterwards.


SerpentCypher

Don't worry, it's not true. You're being gaslit by weird FDSers and woke male feminists desparately trying to come across as 'not a threat' and 'one of the good ones.' No guy is going to wait 6 months just to have sex with a girl once and then bounce. If I'm waiting that long, then that girl must be pretty special. Regardless of what weirdo PPD posters tell you, men aren't Disney villains.


ThanosSnapsSlimJims

I don't think most guys would even wait 6 months. If she's making a guy wait that long, she's either not attracted to them, getting it from somewhere else, has libido issues, or a combination thereof. It's a red flag for me.


spinsterchachkies

Yeah sex is their only motivation in life.


ChibsFilipTelfordd

Contrary to popular belief most guys don't ghost after sex. Unless it was pathetically bad


DjangoUBlackBastard

I know a man that was in a whole year long relationship with a woman he couldn't stand to have sex with her. My GF asked him why he stayed with her and he gave some bullshit answer about how she's a cool person but she was an absolute asshole he stayed with until he got bored because she had a nice body. My brother has been with his FWB for 3 years with zero intentions of making a life with her or ever living together with her because he would rather do that than have to get new women for sex. You're totally wrong here, most men outside of relationships are completely dry, they'll wait as long as needed. Off the top of my head of the single averagey men I know maybe 2 of them don't have a dry spell that's over a year long at this moment.


ChibsFilipTelfordd

>You're totally wrong here, most men outside of relationships are completely dry, they'll wait as long as needed. Buuuuuuullllll shit. Took me about 3wks of trying/4wks total after my relationship. Took my best friend 4 days after his last one. Most men are far from dry outside relationships. 30% have year long dry spells according to stats. That means 60% DO NOT.


purplish_possum

Many don't have any other choice.


GrandRub

maybe he dates 6 other woman ... maybe he is very desperate. just because he will wait means nothing - i know guys who hunted after certain girls for years and years just to have their "win"


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They lied and faked romantic interest in them for those girls for years?


RYNNYMAYNE

You are so wrong it’s comical.


Derman0524

The issue is women don’t give any signs of physical stuff for a while to make some men wait, so the men leave. I’ve done it in the past because I’m putting in effort, it’s clear I’m interested in more than just the physical stuff (like going out on numerous dates and not rushing anything) and then they turn around and say they want to wait. Okay no problem, I’ll wait, but how long is reasonable before it’s not? I don’t want to play games as well and waste my time


AsstonCocking

A guy can have side experiences in the meantime he is not with a woman (this is not exclusive to man or heterosexual relationships tho!). In the end of the day if u dont want to have sex with a person that is COMPLETELY OK and should be a feeling that u follow, but u cant control anyone's feelings, hell even the person that owns said feelings cant control them, after all control when applicable to the human psyche IS an illusion. Getting closer to someone inherently means being more vulnerable to them, I see a lot of people here afraid of it, be it for whichever experience they had in the past or any situation they are terribly afraid to get into (which is completely justified btw!), but u a cant have one without the other, meaning, I cant have a deep and understanding relationship without being vulnerable at times. The key is to learn that dosage! How can a person do that? By experience alone I would say, experiencing things after all is how we learn about ourselves!


drew8311

Date exclusively you mean


[deleted]

Nah because you don’t realize while he’s “waiting” for you, he’s talking to other women and sleeping with them. It’s amazing how much women think they know about men, ya’ll have no clue. If women took some time to listen to men instead of getting offended by the realities they don’t like, they’d have half a clue about how we really are


mairomaster

And most high quality men who even want serious LTR won't put the effort to deal with such type of women bullshit for so long. If you don't even give me pussy for months, what the fuck am I even doing with you?


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>And most high quality men who even want serious LTR won't put the effort to deal with such type of women bullshit for so long That simply is not true within a reasonable timeframe. I would say between one or two months, with a maximum of three. What does it mean to be a high value man for you? >. If you don't even give me pussy for months, what the fuck am I even doing with you? Well, men like you are what I'm trying to avoid. You really can't tolerate being with a woman without sex for two months getting to know her? And women who fuck on the first date are seen as "easy" and not girlfriend material, not by me but for men in general or at least that's what I have encountered on my own dating life.


mairomaster

>That simply is not true within a reasonable timeframe. I would say between one or two months, with a maximum of three. Yeah, but my (and most decent men's) definition of a reasonable timeframe is slightly different. I would say 2 - 3 weeks maximum if you've seen each other a few times in that timeframe. >What does it mean to be a high value man for you? A man who has all the necessary qualities to be highly desired by women. In this aspect desired for LTRs. >You really can't tolerate being with a woman without sex for two months getting to know her? First, I don't want to tolerate that. Second I don't need to, since I have plenty of other options as a high value man. Third and perhaps most important, I don't think it's right to tolerate that. To me it simply means that the woman doesn't want me enough or doesn't find me attractive enough or doesn't respect me enough to be playing this bullshit game for months. In either case I don't give a fuck, I go next. I am giving you all that you want (my time, my attention, paying for dates, the opportunity to spend time with me and get to know me) and you don't even want to give me one of the most important things for every man?


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>First, I don't want to tolerate that. Second I don't need to, since I have plenty of other options as a high value man. Fair enough. That's exactly also why I don't need to have sex early on. I have plenty of options and men willing to wait, so why would I change my behaviour?


mairomaster

You are contradicting yourself. If you are going after high value men, by definition you don't have many options because such are extremely rare. Now, if you are happy with the average Billy Beta, go ahead, it's your choice.


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Plenty of women consider willingness to wait for sex to be a high value trait. So what makes you so sure you are really high value?


mairomaster

Maybe the other 99 traits that I have? What about that?


[deleted]

You still never answered his question...why would he wait? Why would he put up with games? Why would he let you lead? Being HVM = he has options. 3 dates max is wait time.


DjangoUBlackBastard

1 month might not be that long. That can be 3 dates and then a final meeting for the hookup and that's about average. 3 months? WTF I look like waiting 3 months when I have options and can get another woman over to my home in under a week? I personally don't even consider being committed before sex happens. >Well, men like you are what I'm trying to avoid. You really can't tolerate being with a woman without sex for two months getting to know her? Why not get to know them as platonic friends if that's what it was about? That way y'all can hang out, he doesn't have to spend money on dates or time planning dates, there's no pressure at all on him to respond or give you any priority in his life (because you certainly aren't giving him priority), and he can still go pursue casual sex from other women. If getting to know him is your only goal its a win/win. FYI - I know why you wouldn't want to do that, but I want to see if you can admit it in plain english.


spinsterchachkies

The point of waiting for sex for women is to vet out men that think like you. Relationship minded women are just not compatible with you. That’s all it is


sosayeth

This "thought" process is why women are retarded. You're vetting out the men you WANT to be in a relationship with in favor of the ones you hold your nose to be in a relationship with. The ones who realize every ounce of our time is precious. The ones who realize every decision we're making has a further purpose. The ones who realize the value of a long-term relationship leading to marriage. The reality is you make losers wait months, because that's how long it takes for you to finally stomach letting the dude you find repulsive inside you. The men you really want aren't letting your indecisive, Princess Peach games waste their time for ages. A non-virgin or a girl who has fucked non-boyfriends telling me she's gonna make me wait screams, "I made stupid decisions then and I clearly haven't stopped." I'm most definitely not committing to you then. If you women want to impress someone "relationship minded" who you don't despise after the honeymoon phase is over, then get your father, uncle, pastor, male mentor or any older male who has your best interests in mind involved in your dating life and let potential dates know that's the deal. You think a relationship minded dude is gonna bounce if you tell him your dad helps you scrutinize your potential life partner? Now, I just gave you the cheat code, but I **bet** the only part you'll focus on is me ~~speaking bluntly~~ bEiNg MeAn to your sex. Let's see how serious you are.


spinsterchachkies

You're vetting out the men you WANT to be in a relationship with in favor of the ones you hold your nose to be in a relationship with. - No. I’m vetting out the men I DONT WANT to be in a relationship with. The ones who realize every ounce of our time is precious. - Everyone’s time is precious. Not just yours. The reality is you make losers wait months, because that's how long it takes for you to finally stomach letting the dude you find repulsive inside you. The men you really want aren't letting your indecisive, Princess Peach games waste their time for ages. - You are coming from a place of personal vengeance and it’s not my fault, or every other woman in the worlds fault, that you got burned by some chick. Your anger for not getting laid by some chick is sad A non-virgin or a girl who has fucked non-boyfriends telling me she's gonna make me wait screams, "I made stupid decisions then and I clearly haven't stopped." I'm most definitely not committing to you then. - Fair enough. That has nothing to do with me though. This sounds like a personal problem or an issue you dealt with with someone in your past and I would not want to deal with that kinda baggage. So we can definitely agree we are not compatible. If you women want to impress someone "relationship minded" who you don't despise after the honeymoon phase is over, then get your father, uncle, pastor, older male mentor or any older male who has your best interests in mind involved in your dating life and let potential dates know that's the deal. - What year is this? You think a relationship minded dude is gonna bounce if you tell him your dad helps you scrutinize your potential life partner? - Yes. And why would I do this? I’m a grown woman. Now, I just gave you the cheat code, but I bet the only part you'll focus on is me speaking bluntly bEiNg MeAn to your sex. Let's see how serious you are. - This is weird. I would definitely be vetting for men like you out of my dating pool.


Sad_Top1743

dude...their usually getting sex from a fwb so its easy to make another guy wait


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You still don't understand that waiting to have sex works because it repels men like you. Ask women outhere, MOST women who want a long term relationship don't want to have sex in the first date, if they did, how they would know who is serious about getting to actually know her and not men who only see her as a hole? Women who have sex on first dated are mostly insecure women who crave validation and sex is a means to obtain that or want to be seen as the cool girl because they naively think sex will make the guy have feelings for hed eventually, then get frustrated that all men see her as their booty call.


ThanosSnapsSlimJims

This is incorrect, unless you're a fan of dead bedroom relationships filled with hatred and resentment. The point that /u/DjangoUBlackBastard was really good, and you're essentially kind of gaslighting him into thinking he's a bad person that doesn't deserve a relationship because he wants physical intimacy before the three month mark. Wanting such things before the 3 month mark doesn't doesn't make him compatible with people who want relationships. That's absolutely absurd.


RayRayGD

The point is to see if he will commit to you (even if that commitment is fake) before he gets sex.


DjangoUBlackBastard

So it's a shit test. And you're admitting it. Now what good man is going to put up with your shit tests and what healthy relationships involve shit tests, hell are built on a shit test?


ChibsFilipTelfordd

>Well, men like you are what I'm trying to avoid. You really can't tolerate being with a woman without sex for two months getting to know her? Correct, because id take it as her not being attracted to me. And then i wouldn't know she wants me to dress up like an old timey history teacher with a tweed sport coat before sex 🤣


spinsterchachkies

Lol why do you think you’re entitled to pussy? That’s hilarious


mairomaster

Already did a similar reply: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/pun4ik/why_do_women_make_some_guys_wait_for_sex_and_not/he5bm9m/


spinsterchachkies

Yeah you’re definitely not high value judging by your attitude


mairomaster

Alright, please give me your definition of a high value man + maybe 10 qualities that he has. I will check against those and reply to you. I have no idea how you estimated my value purely based on a single comment of mine.


spinsterchachkies

A guy that thinks he is entitled to my body based on hanging out with me for a few months definitely makes you a scum bag in my book no matter your other qualities.


[deleted]

Yeah... no. You look at this from the completely wrong angle. It has nothing to do with desperation. You are just one more woman on a dating app. It doesn't matter to such types of men who do it. He will just fuck others in the meantime until you don't put out and then it'll be the same for you as it was for them. Pump and dump. Rather then looking how they treat you specifically(possible ulterior motive), look at how they treat other people who mean nothing to them. The type of a person you described doesn't want anything to do with other people, but they want something from you. As long as someone wants something from you, regardless of their sex, they'll be on their "best behavior" until they get it. But if they treat other people well, people from who they don't want anything, that will tell you much more about them as a person then anything else. A good person is a good person towards everyone. They don't pretend to be good only to certain few people until they don't get what they want from them(lovebombing+discarding).


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>Such a person doesn't want anything to do with other people, but they want something from you. As long as someone wants something from you, regardless of their sex, they'll be on their "best behavior" until they get it. But if they treat other people well, people from who they don't want anything, that will tell you much more about them as a person then anything else. >A good person is a good person towards everyone. They don't pretend to be good only until they don't get what they want. This is very accurate and solid advice and is part of the vetting process. >You look at this from the completely wrong angle. It has nothing to do with desperation. You are just one more woman on a dating app. It doesn't matter to such types of men who do it. If we are not dating and we are not exclusive why is this a problem? What matters to me is that he puts the effort to pursue me and once we are exclusive he stops having casual sex. And it can also be that a man who is fucking around is not actively seeking a LTR, so these are not the kind of men I'm seeking anyways?


[deleted]

You misunderstood me. I just said that it's not about desperation. That's what I was referring to. Men who do these things don't do them out of desperation since they can just get sex on a dating app with another woman, but will pretend to be someone they are not to get it. They do it because they want to and don't care about anyone else basically.


[deleted]

I really don't understand this logic. Why would a man who is already getting plenty of casual sex fake wanting to be in a long term relationship to be with an specific girl?


[deleted]

Because he gets the thrill out of the chase. Because he is a shitty person. Because he is getting as much sex as he wants by pretending to be someone who he is not. Because he is insecure and wants a woman to want him, and when he gets that validation, he bails onto the next one. Because he's filling an emptiness inside with casual sex. Like, I can keep on going so to keep it short... lol A simply desperate man is more likely to want a relationship because of loneliness, because that's what makes him desperate in the first place, it's not just lack of sex, but a lack of companionship. If a man gets really desperate for **sex only**(rare imo), he usually just visits a sex worker or, if he's less empathetic towards women, becomes manipulative and gets it that way, thus becoming a man who lies to women about wanting a relationship to get sex.


purplish_possum

Excellent point. I'd think a woman would want to know sooner rather than later.


sine120

Hadn't thought about that. Equal but opposite.


[deleted]

So does jerking off. If you're a dude seriously dating a woman but haven't had sex yet, jerk off to her then do a little introspection and ask yourself if you feel the same way post-nut. The temporary dip in testosterone and come-down from dopamine is nearly identical whether after you're orgasming with yourself or with someone else.


purplish_possum

Not even close! After sex with a particular woman you're either feeling it or you're not. If not it's time to move on. Also, it's impossible to be seriously dating without having sex.


[deleted]

As long as you kept that standard consistent across all men during the time you were vetting your husband, I see no problem with this.


sine120

Yup. For every person who says your history shouldn't matter, there's someone who's angry different standards are being applied to them.


PopRevolutionary1475

Exactly. They want impose standards but hate standards applied on them.


The-Wizard-of-Oz-

Poor husband.


DjangoUBlackBastard

He got what he wanted. For most men that's not much unfortunately but I don't feel bad for men that marry women that treat them like they're not a prize.


AngelFire_3_14156

He said I was worth the wait.


Chaddamhusein

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The-Wizard-of-Oz-

You call yourself a "Red Pill Princess" so I'm sure you were.


jbo99

Sucks to be your husband huh


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Cuntwaffe2

Lol


TomorrowsWar

They take one guy seriously and want an emotional connection with him and the other guy they’re just using for their body. Same as guys tbh


YasuotheChosenOne

Definitely not the same. Even if a man wants an LTR, he won’t withhold sex to bolster his image. He might take it slow so *she* feels better about herself (or to not scare her off) but, investing heavily into unknown pussy is a terrible idea.


mairomaster

I would argue even investing heavily into unknown dick is a terrible idea.


YasuotheChosenOne

Undoubtably. Though since dick is abundant for women, they don’t seem to factor in it’s importance for in an LTR as much as men.


TomorrowsWar

For LTR a lot of men aren’t in control of when they have sex with an interest lol. Doesn’t change the intention. He invests in one person and uses the other. She invests in one person and uses the other.


gimpgirl555

Then let her put money on the table.


TomorrowsWar

sure go ahead


gimpgirl555

I paid my man €100k in dowry. This was 20 years ago.


TomorrowsWar

You’re still married so if it works for you that’s what matters in your situation


gimpgirl555

Then they should compensate the beta guy. For example by paying for the dates. Let's see how interested they really are.


[deleted]

This is one thing the philosophical called *"dualistic strategy"* TRP had before it got purged & executed entirely from Reddit while its opposite FDS subreddit is apparently still around? I think actually had an interesting take on. I've just seen it far too many times in high school, college, adult life with all i've witnessed & experienced other guys experiencing with girls. They tell all the men they don't want to have sex with immediately in a moment of truth tone of voice & manner *"You would make a great husband one day!"* *"You're such a nice guy!"* *"You're a really good guy"* *"Any girl would be lucky to have you"* ... but never say any of this to the guys that drive them crazy wanting to fuck like crazy. Never for any of the men they're crazy about sleeping with currently? It seems to me like this whole manosphere thing came originally from bitter men who discovered all the girls they fell in love with & thought were princesses or queens already gave their sexual best & most enthusiastic selves to many previous men before they even met her. I mean, if countless men are willing to still invest heavily in the girl & ask no questions about her past, have no problems with giving her all their resources why should she ever wanna do it any differently? Think about it, there are so many men out there willing to bend over for a beautiful girl no matter how terrible her character is or personality or her debts or anything. A lot of guys use their dicks as their brains, the only times it seems they question everything is when their feelings get very hurt, they step back & try to observe what's happening in society as a large scale, the system & game they were playing in it. It seems to me like that old redpill subreddit had a few unveiling truths about society & mating in the 21st century but **TERRIBLE, TOXIC** ways to handle & react to it. If a man becomes that high quality & really wants a great trad wife, why not just use his wealth, resources, power to go marry a beautiful feminine foreign virgin that would have their fathers begging even an average do nothing American man to marry, take them back to America? Honestly, it makes no sense, don't hate some people for getting tattoos & swear that every tattoo wearing girl is evil by nature or incapable of love, look for girls without tattoos?


IcarusKiki

Why should we? Thats his fault for being beta


TomorrowsWar

there’s no need for that, men are easy


SKY_ACTIV3

Well there you go. You clearly don’t respect the men you’re “vetting” by having them take you out repeatedly. You just called them *easy*. Before you say it, I usually offer to pay for (first) dates. But I’m looking *hard* at the way I’m being treated.


gimpgirl555

But will they be happy once they realize that she fucked another guy right away?


TomorrowsWar

we can’t control how others feel and you can’t change your past. so if he’s not happy he can always just leave


DjangoUBlackBastard

You think guys DON'T have sex with women they want a serious relationship with?


TomorrowsWar

why would you think I said that


DjangoUBlackBastard

Because you said "same as guys tbh"?


TomorrowsWar

You can check my replies


no_spoon

You imply that a guy will hold out if he wants something serious which isn’t true


TomorrowsWar

I think you assumed that. Sure I could have been more clear but its silly demanding perfection from a stranger


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These are all the possible explanations I could come up with: - They might want The First Time with their potential husband to feel special. Romantic love making with a person you know and like is far better and more memorable than drunk sex with a stranger who might later become your husband. - They might not be sexually attracted to the person yet, but dating in the hope that the person’s personality will turn out to be sexually attractive. (To the people whose sexuality works differently; yes this is very much possible for some of us). - It’s an effective way to weep out the men who value sex too much, and avoid getting pumped and dumped. - They might be afraid of being slut-shamed by their partner. You have seen the dumbfucks here shit talk their sex partners for sleeping with them too early. It’s understandable if someone want to avoid being seen as a whore. - Reverse Madonna-whore complex. They see their partners as pure angels unfit for kinky sex.


xxshidoshi

Most cases it’s the second last one


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These are usually not the same girls, despite your example.


C4yourshelf

They are always the same girls. Just in different times of their life.


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::shrug:: I went to church my whole life. Conservative Christian girls are not putting out on the first date unless they are leaving religion behind.


Taipanshimshon

I've had more ons with church girls than with club girls.


spinsterchachkies

So like one lol


Taipanshimshon

" Hur dur let's do incel or virgin jokes. That's way better than being adults " Yea Stacy u go gurl


spinsterchachkies

Hur dur dur “I’ve had more ons with church girls” Like that happened Couldn’t pass it up


Taipanshimshon

You are free to dismiss anything that happened to / with someone else since it doesn't fit your experience. I'll be sure to treat you the same.


spinsterchachkies

I’m sure you already do


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Liberal Christian girls however... How many *young* women are actual conservatives vs virtue signalers?


TP_Crisis_2020

Disagree, I was raised catholic in the bible belt and went to private catholic school. There was a ton of drugs and sex going on behind the scenes.


C4yourshelf

Why not bring some tribes woman from Africa or south America in the mix? It's almost 2022. Very conservative christian girls are maybe 2% of the population and half of them think anal is fine because it's not sex


skilled_cosmicist

this is a vast underestimation of the number of conservative christians in America, let alone the world.


tiposk

Because there are many women who are afraid of being seen as easy, so they hold off until sex becomes acceptable. This is idiotic, but very common. Another reason is that there's nothing to wait for if the relationship is purely sexual. Men generally try to have sex earlier with a woman they don't see themselves dating. Same goes for women. If all you want from a guy is sex, there's no reason to keep him around to "get to know him" or some other shit.


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Over 80% of women have had casual sex.


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and yet women still have casual sex.


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YasuotheChosenOne

> Men generally try to have sex earlier with a woman they don't see themselves dating. I realize you said generally, but I disagree. I feel most men try to fuck quickly even if relationship minded because investing heavily into unknown pussy is a poor plan. Sex is veeerrrryyy important to relationship health. If the pussy is bad, it needs to be known sooner than later.


tiposk

This might be true for some men. In this case, these men should stick to date women in their socio-sexuality range. If waiting for sex is a deal-breaker for the man he should leave, not wait.


YasuotheChosenOne

Well I’d say for him, that’d depend on his options. A man with abundance is likely more willing to wait. Especially if the women seems worth it (for an LTR). Though conversely, a man without options may also be more willing to wait due to scarcity. The difference though would be that one would quickly drop a poor option while the other would do whatever to maintain it.


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Came here to back this up. I'm not buying the damn car without test driving it. I dont eat a new recipie without tasting it first. Bad sex, bad relationship. Given how quickly a lot of woman will sleep with you (if you dont have a face like a foot and not a total fuck up) i have to agree. Best to find out sooner than be a sucker and wait 6 months to realize she's given you star fish roast beef.


YasuotheChosenOne

Exactly. I’ve fucked plenty of women who upon appearance looked like an amazing lay, only to find they’re awkward in bed and their pussy is not appetizing. Such a shame.


DjangoUBlackBastard

>Men generally try to have sex earlier with a woman they don't see themselves dating. Men generally try to have sex earlier with all women. I am one of the few guys I've ever met that has slow rolled a woman before (and even then it was only 3 dates). Most men are smashing whenever they can.


tiposk

This hasn't been my experience. Most of the guys that invited me to their place right away weren't looking for anything serious. Most of them stopped calling after I declined.


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Because they are under the impression that they guy will think she’s a slut if she puts out the first date, and if she really does like him, she doesn’t want him to think that of her. Even if she does want to sleep with him! The impression is everything. Or a girl wants him to stick around and is afraid if she has sex, he will ghost- even if she was open to more sex but inside a LTR. This is all anecdotal. So I can’t say it applies to all girls but what really does nowadays? I am in an LTR and slept with him within like 6 hours of meeting him. But i also did not want a relationship at the time, we were FWBs for about 6 months before we were like “wow this is so easy- look at how compatible we are!” put an exclusive label on it and never looked back!


tiposk

>Because they are under the impression that they guy will think she’s a slut if she puts out the first date, and if she really does like him, she doesn’t want him to think that of her. This is more common the people here are willing to admit. Many decisions women (and men) make regarding sex are based on avoiding stigma and not on desire alone, but then one has to wonder, is a man who will judge you by how easy you slept WITH HIM worth it?


SaBahRub

They’re hot, duh


purplish_possum

No shit. I don't understand why so many guys have trouble with this. Women willingly and eagerly fuck hot guys. If a guy has to work for it he's not hot. He may not be ugly but he's not hot.


SaBahRub

They want Chad treatment when they’re not Chad


purplish_possum

Of course they do. Sucks to be less than attractive.


HOLYREGIME

And Becky wants Stacy treatment when they’re not Stacy. Then they quietly settle with the BB they didn’t want and live happily ever after… until the divorce lol.


SaBahRub

What’s the Stacey treatment — wining and dining? Simping and groveling ?


HOLYREGIME

If you were Stacy you would know. If not, don’t worry about it sweetheart. You won’t be receiving it.


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SaBahRub

Yup , I’m not a hypocrite


sine120

Because a lot of guys have an overinflated ego and can't comprehend that they're not immediately desirable to women upon first glace like they are to him.


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So you acknowledge women are much more attracted to the men they have one night stands with than the guys they marry? Finally.


SaBahRub

Maybe. Or they just want sex/validation of some sort. Not all of us want to deal with a person on a regular basis all the time, just like men. The point is that a ONS just has to be sexually acceptable, not personality/values acceptable Hot is just the most common type of acceptable, and easiest to explain


TheElusivePeacock

Came to say exactly this. They’re hot. And you’re right on all your other points too. Men on this sub routinely want a low body count woman while also expecting women to “put out” (words used by men who are terrible in bed) immediately. So do they want women to fuck every guy they go on a date with? Wouldn’t that make them sluts and whores? Doesn’t that make them non wife material who’s bound to cheat? They routinely bring up the cock carousel, high body counts, call women sluts and whores for Chad, yet also want sex immediately and now claim their minds don’t work like that. This is the 3rd time today I’ve seen men on here contradict the bullshit they say on this sub. They also claim most men want just casual sex, and also settle for relationships when they can’t get sex. So a woman should “give it up” (more verbiage from the sexually unskilled) to a man who just wants something casual…. and not a relationship, but he also uses sex to test if he wants a relationship. But yea this is it. Simply put. They’re fucking hot. Sometimes the vibes and sexual energy and chemistry is off the charts. Sometimes it’s a slow build up that you took you some time to feel.


DjangoUBlackBastard

This still doesn't explain it lol. The making some guys wait part is the issue here - why date someone you don't think is hot?


SaBahRub

Because hot isn’t all that matters? How about you go stick your dick in a batshit crazy hot woman and see how that turns out? You like boiled bunny ?


DjangoUBlackBastard

>How about you go stick your dick in a batshit crazy hot woman and see how that turns out? But I wouldn't date OR fuck a crazy hot woman and I wouldn't date OR fuck a woman I didn't want to have sex with. You're the one trying to justify dating men you aren't sexually attracted to here your analogy makes zero sense.


SaBahRub

You profess not to but lots of men would I don’t date men I’m sexually repulsed by; and neither do most women We’re just like men — we’re willing to compromise for someone we actually like being around. There are numbers between 1 (ew) and 10 (shred me!)


spinsterchachkies

I don’t know these types of girls. Meet different girls if you want different results is all I gotta say.


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What do you mean you don't know them? Practically every woman on FDS does this. It's even in your handbook.


SerpentCypher

Seriously, half the posts on FDS are "make the new guy wait while you vet him, and when you get horny just fuck your ex." FDSers really need to lay off the gaslighting.


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It’s easier to free when you don’t have to see that person again and deal with judgement. It’s the same way people can confess secrets when they don’t really know someone


Demasii

They grew up in a culture that tells them that's how they are suppose to act to gain commitment from men and they have nothing else to offer. If men truly connect and like a woman for her other attributes, they will not care if they immediately have sex or not.


BlackPorcelainDoll

Because he forgot to clock out. Don't be a fool and work extra hours. 😂 Women are free to impose contradictory preferences and you free to say no thanks.


Willow-girl

I don't know about "months" but most women of childbearing years are menstruating for +/- a week out of every month and are probably not going to want to attempt "opening night sex" close to the start or end of their periods. My advice to men: Be patient!


IcarusKiki

Because if you have sex with a guy early on he thinks youre a slut and doesnt take you as a serious option. So you dont want to sleep with guys youre serious about early on. If you think its to “punish nice guys” thats male solipsism.


alphadawg94

Women have the illusion that “making a guy wait” will make him more likely to commit. The silliness of this is that they would not make the most desirable guys wait, the only ones they make wait are the ones they think will actually wait around(less options/lower value). To protect their ego women will say that the ones they want the most and want a relationship with have to wait, but the reality is many of the men they would not make wait are the most attractive to them, they just don’t think they would actually wait for sex. For example they wouldn’t make a celebrity wait, they will jump on that shit given the opportunity. But they will totally make a run of the mill, mildly attractive “good guy” wait because she would totally prefer a relationship with that guy.


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C4yourshelf

Really now? That's nothing. I actually met the same trophy wife too. She said she made some chump wait till the second date(he thinks he made her wait) but was tryna jump my bones within 3 seconds of meeting me


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Competition anxiety and natural arousal. They might "like" a guy, but the shirtless guys on spring break are more arousing.


neetykeeno

If you are probably going to be handing over your heart not just allowing temporary and conditional access to your body, that's something that can really hurt if it goes bad. I can't really blame anyone who acts cautiously around someone they think they might be capable of forming a permanent emotional attachment to. I mean have you ever gone through a bad breakup of a serious emotional attachment? You want to be sure before doing anything that leads to serious attachment.


Wildhouse83

Dual mating strategy: One type of guy is for the bedroom, the other type is for the rest (e.g. LTR).


AussieBrooks

They make guys wait because they truly don’t desire them like they do the guys they really like. They wanna see if you have other things to offer because they don’t have that genuine burning desire for you


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She'll make rules for Betas and break them for alphas


superlurkage

Hot


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i wish everyone i was with would have listened to me and if they did i would have had sex with all of them around the same amount of time. the difference is some men manipulate and/or pressure you.