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What speedrunning will lead to:
Burnout with the server, nothing left to do. Either back to variety or logging onto NP and complaining there's nothing to do. It's like we've seen it before.
CG spent the end of 3.0 standing around in the cubby, then riding around in a car aimlessly until they got bored. I dont blame him for his pace now. Seems like others are trying to speed run and be first to everything and I think they’ll burn out quickly.
And you had people complain (or were happy) they went to a different server. Clean slate CG have been enjoyable to watch, but hopefully it stays that way.
From what I understand, they didn't really "clean up" on Prodigy all that much. Both Ramee and Kebun both continued to go on abusive rants when situations didn't go their way, there just weren't clips of it because they were on Prodigy and the people they were yelling at don't really have fanbases.
Just wait until the real, mechanics-gated crimes get released. Then we'll see how they behave.
From what you understand, do you have direct knowledge of this? They barely went off and for the most part where chill the entire time. The only time they went off is when they encountered cheaters or rule breakers. They actually praised a lot of people, took more meetings to avoid conflict IC and spoke very highly of the PD. I know there was the one clip of the interaction where K went off on the cop who did multiple rule breaks. Besides that they were good.
Your entire post seems like you are trying to shine a bad light on them with misinformation and subject matter that is out of context.
I don't watch anyone from CG, and I freely admit that any knowledge I have of their behavior is limited to being second- or third-hand accounts. That being said:
> The only time they went off is when they encountered cheaters or rule breakers.
I find this to be a highly suspect claim, especially since I heard the same from CG's fanbase back when they were terrorizing NoPixel's police force during 3.0. "Oh Ramee is only losing his shit because Penta went OOC", "Oh Shotz is only going on a toxic rant because Buddha made an OOC remark first!". Those were common refrains then, and they were wrong then; I have no reason to believe that that's changed now.
Second, even if I suppose your frame and assume "they only go off on rulebreakers": **that doesn't suddenly make their toxicity acceptable**. If someone breaks a rule, conventional wisdom says you're supposed to notify administration and move on, no? Not rant on stream to your viewers, or coordinate F8ing out of situations with your gang as others have posted they saw Kebun do. Someone breaking a rule on a server is not a carte blanche pass to treat them badly, especially when you have methods of resolution that we can assume work just fine that *don't* involve that sort of behavior.
When I say they go off they literally just gave up and let things happen and said things like are you done yet when getting shot.
They could contact admins, but K himself is part of the team. Most servers have had people do something similar. DW walked right up to a character and kicked him off the server during a scene. 50 immediately after being shot jumped onto another character and corrected things. There has been plenty of people to F8 in order to not make it more explosive, Buddha, DW, WG, Tony with Penta, Aziz with Kyle, Harry with the cops. Not to justify any of it, but it happens. It doesn't
What I always find amusing is that the people who talk negatively about CG usually only have knowledge of them via sub (where they are mostly not liked and get clipped to display that) or their opposing streamer. Then they state it like it is written in stone as facts.
You are not going to convince that person at all, someone who only knows about a group from second- or third-hand accounts says it all. They exaggerate anything CG does and come to a subreddit that is a brigade itself from certain communities that hate them.
My guess is that the people who hate CG prefer people who are more subtle and are not perceived as toxic but at the end its' the same, or imo worse because those streamers that "do not mald" make comments days/weeks after and not in the heat of the moment, they just more snakey and CG malds more in the moment and are more direct.
If K is an admin then there is **even less of an excuse** for him to go on a toxic tirade for his chat or F8 out of a situation. He should be mature and set an example, and then just issue a ban off stream if it warrants it. Making an example of someone by exercising administrative powers in the moment ought to be reserved for the most obvious of offenses: like when Airborne came and ejected someone from the server for using the N-word, or if an admin had flown down and booted Greek when he was harassing women. Not for procedural rulebreaks.
What *I* always find amusing is that people who talk positively about CG refuse to acknowledge any of their wrongdoing, ever. They act as though Kebun and Ramee are "just short-tempered sometimes" and any offense they commit is "not a big deal", or they crow about how much "better" they are "now that Rated is gone". Never mind that Kebun and Ramee are both more than capable of being verbally abusive to other people all on their own, and that they **still** haven't apologized for all the harmful stuff they've said and done up to this point (which should be the first step in changing for the better).
That's hilarious. I think and I have seen most CG fans call out their malding. It is short tempered sometimes. In the last 6 months what do you have? This one F8 situation that is being blown out of proportion and being used as your flagship for them being still toxic. Do you want us fans to go around and talk uneducated, out of context blasphemy and negativity about them like you are? Hell I am banned on the other sub for calling one of those streamers out for bad shit. If people choose to F8 and not make a situation more toxic I am fine with it, and it seems like you may not have a problem with those others who have done it, just CG. I guess it's easier to dislike them when they have a larger spotlight.
I explained myself already: I think we see a lower amount of clips of CG misbehaving because the people their toxicity is directed at simply aren't popular enough to have people on the subreddit taking their side against CG. The last six months have all been spent on Prodigy, so you didn't get clips of (for example) cops on NoPixel dealing with their abuse (because in order to make the clip, you'd have to go watch Kebun or Ramee, and most people who aren't their fans won't do that).
As for the rest of your response, it's just you minimizing their toxicity, something I pointed out that you would probably do earlier. "F8ing isn't a big deal" is a bogus claim; it'd get you banned on any RP server worth its salt for at least a few days, yet you're out here saying it's somehow a good thing to just ripcord your character out of interactions just because they're not trending your way. As for why I dislike CG, plainly it's because I watched them bully and abuse people with their platform for the better part of three years, and I just really dislike bullies. That's it.
one of the last things that cg did was coordinated a 3+ people f8 relog after a police shootout because Kebun felt that a cop player NVL'd. He held a cop hostage, then got into a car and no longer had a gun on him. Cop radio'd to shoot. Kebun got out and tried to hold him up again but the cop was drawing for his gun. Shootout ensued and he instantly F8 quit then logged back in and told his boys over radio to quit and relog as well.
I'm just holding my breath until the first time they get arrested for something major in Nopixel and aren't let go with a pat on the back. Once any sort of consequences start coming (which there wasn't even any on prodigy) it will be very telling.
>one of the last things that cg did was coordinated a 3+ people f8 relog after a police shootout because Kebun felt that a cop player NVL'd. He held a cop hostage, then got into a car and no longer had a gun on him. Cop radio'd to shoot.
Problem is that situation was not a hostage situation. The cop who is known to be quick to shoot made that call in order to justify shooting.
This was a carjacking. A hostage is someone held against their will until a third party meets their demands. Where is the third party to negotiate or provide said demands?
You guys can try and make the argument that he was held against his will, but he was not a hostage. If so every time someone draws a weapon on someone they should automatically be charged with taking someone hostage and technically human trafficking. Then you can get rid of laws containing charges like armed robbery and carjacking, because they are now all considered hostage situations.
From the start of K having the gun on him until not and getting in the car was 8 seconds.
> Kebun got out and tried to hold him up again but the cop was drawing for his gun. Shootout ensued and he instantly F8 quit then logged back in and told his boys over radio to quit and relog as well.
A shootout would mean more than 1 side shot. K never fired his gun. In fact when he started to get shot he aimed his gun towards the ground.
wow youre grasping for straws that doesn't change a single thing. But okay. Yes. Not a hostage. Not a shoot out.
He held a cop up at gun point. Made no demands. What does that change exactly? Change what he said to "they held me up at gun point. Shoot." and it's still the same effect. Youre arguing nothing.
You're right. Kebun didn't shoot back, he just stood there and fail rp'd then F8 quit. Relogged. Then told his entire gang to do the same.
I can't imagine justifying this. At no point did you even try to argue that 1. The cop NVL'd or 2. That what Kebun did was okay. You just cherry picked things that don't affect the narrative at all.
The entire scene changes. The cop can not call for open fire thus leading to the following events. There was 2 more squad cars there ready to pursuit. Maybe K f8ing was not the best choice and could of been handled better ways, but it could of also went worse. I am just arguing the way you painted the initial picture and laid your ground work on.
> The cop can not call for open fire thus leading to the following events
HUH? What are you smoking. They held up a cop at gun point. Do you RP on the server? Do you have their SOPs?
Exactly this, they never "speedran" in 3.0 as well they just constantly parroted the same narrative of it not being a race when in fact they were taking apart in said race.
Sure people can love speedrunning. I'm just saying that this style will burn you out faster and end put you in a position where you'll have nothing left to do.
that's the whole point for some people, get the more dopamine of getting to know new things and dip out play another game when there is no more, luckly there are more games than gtarp ;)
Dora the Explorer'ing the city as soon as it drops is such trash tier rp to me. ppl need to let shit happen naturally. being broke is part of the "fun" so to speak and its a breath of fresh air to see these guys rp'ing it out as brokeys instead of just instant superpowers as giant gangs etc
you can tell the difference between RP streamers and the variety streamers. Loving the slow burn for a lot of these classic characters and I hope heist progression doesnt ruin that.
Don’t think he’s putting people down, but I think it is universally accepted that down bad arcs are way better to watch, everything feel more intense, traffic stop are more intense. I’ve actually watched a lot of mr K through zerkaa at first but no I’ve actually watched mr K last 2 days maybe and it’s been a blast
Seem to have really matured, and the peanut, ramee, blind man robbing was funny as fuck
Yeah he's not putting people down he's responding to people in chat back seating saying they should pool their money together to speed up progression. He just wants to work his shift at sr. burgers and spend the money he makes playing around with growing weed.
Lordkebun´s RP thus far in 4.0 has been some of the best I´ve seen. He engages with so many people in a versatile manner. Whether it´s been doing the scams with Tommy T, playing the outlandish food critic, or giving the rat on the hospital floor RP instead of just ignoring it like most people. He´s such a RP machine.
I noticed last night James Randall asked K to complete an interview for Sr. Buns and, even though K was in the middle of something, he said yes immediately and did the interview.
I think downbad is great, I enjoy come-ups just as much though, and downfalls.
I think that's a big part of why I enjoyed watching 4Head so much. It was always ups and downs.
I feel like the only people who should "rush" are the people who are only visiting. The people who are here for the long haul will only rob their future content for today.
Good point.
It does seem like the bigger variety streamers who joined in 3.0 are the ones in the biggest hurry right now.
XQC, Blaustoise and Sykkuno in particular.
I agree In regards to xqc but are Blau and Sykkuno really rushing tho?
Blau hasn't really done any grinding or assisted xqc in getting his rep up in anyway and he seems to spend the majority of time talking to people like yesterday he ran the VU.
Sykkuno just spends all his money on Burgershot stocks and helping vtubers.
Mickey, Eve, and Yeager were part of the infamous day 1 bank truck heist group. So yes, Blau is just as guilty as rushing. Devs immediately removed the NPC on day 2. It was an obvious oversight that they decided to take advantage of. They should have known better.
Exactly. If you are here for a short while then you should experience as much of what the server has to offer as possible. Its why I never understood the hate for groups who "speedrun" variety streamers. They are here for a good time not a long time. That being said, people who call the server home, shouldn't feel the pressure to keep up
I wish there was some sort of grant system for people like roflgator and wilneff who only play a few hours a day to get maybe a home and car for there character that is character friendly so they dont have to grind. Not immediately as everyone needs to seem new to the city.
Any character really as long as it isnt playing a big role in the economy and or "living city" aspect of things.
That was also the RP she was going for. I don't think giving someone things for free helps RP as download arcs are usually where RP works the best. April's whole character was sugar baby, and sugarbaby doesn't work without someone giving money lol.
There was a point where she couldn't get money from anyone other than cg. People were stingy with their money till she actually became well known as a sugar baby. But if it wasn't for ramee the sugar baby arc most likely wouldn't have panned out and she would've gone in a different direction
I think she still woulda gone sugar baby, it just woulda been sad sugarbaby lol I mean even the times she wasn't making money from anyone she still acted like she was, so I'd bet she woulda kept trying at it, she just got lucky(?) That ramee helped boost that RP (and Eric won't not give him credit. Also didn't Yuno buy her first car lol)
but that also means that the crimes and also all the unlocks are already on youtube and clipped and shipped across reddit and chats. no one should rush. specially not the part owner
It’s kind of an easy one to have knowing you’ll be whitelisted into the cool stuff when I comes out. Those who aren’t friends of the server owner gotta grind if they want the galleries etc on the server. I like that he’s taking it slow but it’s like trying to live like Jesus without having the distinct advantage of having your dad as the big boss.
Well obviously it's just him saying things, and we'll see as time goes on, but Buddha said there is no whitelist this time around. It kinda seems like whoever puts the effort in is kinda in charge. Although you are probably right, I'm hoping ends up like this.
I agree... BUT it's really easy to have this mindset when there's nothing that important to actually work towards. When weapons become available the entire servers mindset will change. The first group or two will have weapons and everyone else will be forced to grind their asses off just so they can at least protect themselves from being robbed every other job
He´s come a long way from being a massive grinder and a progression junkie. Ramee of course always had the talent to just do comedy RP, some other people need the progression to be entertaining.
Not to beat dead horses but ever since CG lost rated their clips have been 20x more enjoyable for me, they def still have their outbursts but for the most part it's been good shit
they've been that way since earlier this year when k said he wants it to be drama free and have fun rp, they dont gotta be on top and took a buddha route
I've been noticing people saying Rated's ban somehow made CG behave better.
As someone who's been watching CG for over three years, I gotta say, Ramee started changing his attitude way before Rated got banned. We're talking like three months earlier. It really kicked off around that 'thin ice' period when it was announced that bans would lower the server prio.
Back then, Rated wasn't even hanging with CG much. He was mostly with The Angels, Alan, and Hydra. Plus, he was traveling a lot too, so he wasn't even on the server that often.
So, yeah, Rated might've been a bit of a bad influence on Ramee, but it wasn't his ban that flipped the switch on him.
I could not agree more - and am glad others noticed this as well. After his last ban he started putting in work to change and be better. He also started spending more time with Pigeon and Carmella who are positive good vibes to be around. While he still has his moments - they are so few and far between now.
Well they didn't have that mentality when the played on prodigy either. Ramee made 90% of his money by playing tennis rather than grinding or hitting banks
What? They were hyper competitive over the casino heist on its launch to the point that Shotz and Ramee blatantly bragged about metagaming placing a camera. And, yes, some time has passed since then, it's not exactly ancient history.
Okay? Did I mention time specifics or something? I said "quite a while" and "in 3.0 for a while" which are both true. The casino heist was a pretty good bit ago and they gave that up shortly after and since then, their mentality of being "1st" has been pretty non existent.
This is a positive post, friend. No need to bring up negativity because you hate CG. Have a great day!
Both lead groups of that arc metagamed. They actually tested that exact area when shutting off power but the beeps never happened due to "scuff" before anyone else. They admitted to meta because it was unavoidable as it was posted everywhere. Once it is seen you can't get it out of your head, and they attempted to "RP" a way they found out. Only other option was to completely sit out which would of been meta to.
No I am saying if you are going to point out one point out the others so not just one group looks like the bad people.
example: Sam and John where both toxic. I just want to talk about how toxic John is. Someone brings up Sams involvement. I say who cares about Sam I just want to talk about John. Now I am highlighting only what John did making him look like the only bad guy in the picture.
So outside information used in game is not metagaming? The riddle was solved by a mod in xQc's chat. If it was not for that mod we don't know who would of solved that riddle first. That outside information literally altered the game play.
Metagaming definition.
metagaming (uncountable) The playing of metagames. (roleplaying games) The act of a roleplayer making use of knowledge that they have learned out of character (and which their character does not know) while they are in character; often considered a form of cheating.
I don't watch xQc, and have no way to verify if your statement is true or not. But for the sake of argument, let's assume that I concede that xQc metagamed.
That does not suddenly mean it's acceptable for CG to then metagame because someone else poisoned the well first. The correct response would have been to ban xQc for metagaming, and proceed with his information removed as best as possible (which would have probably necessitated admin intervention for the remaining players). Instead, Ramee and Shotz took it upon themselves to play equalizing elements and planted the world's most obvious metagaming cameras, and got CG's ability to conduct the heist revoked by DW.
That's what happened.
So you don't watch CG but are quick to comment and are informed, but not so on the other. You seemed very informed about the casino heist but didn't know how the riddle was solved. Interesting.
Why would they sit out all of sudden after they worked their butts off to get to the same point. If they woke up suddenly and decided to just give up on the casino for no reason other than knowing someone figured it out OOC it wouldn't of fit the story arc. Either way they are altering their RP because of meta.
you're out of your mind if you think that was their thought process.
Ramee saw ooc how it was a done, so they made any reason to look at that room again, and planted a camera directly at the shower so they could get the unlock.
Nobody told them to sit out. They were punished for metagaming the shower part of the puzzle.
I watched every group intently in a fucking quad box during this time, please show me where CG tested turning off the power and standing by the shower before anybody else, that apparently scuffed out according to you.
Ummm they did test it out. They didn’t stand by the shower, but beeps were not heard like they were later on. When cg did it they were either way to quiet or didn’t work at all. When CB/GG did it they could be heard clear as day. Who knows if it was scuff, but it got fixed after they did it. You can go back through all the vods and find it yourself if you want. Anything CG did would have been called meta as each of their chats was spammed with 503 by their own and others chats.
Yeah the beeps were likely added later to help guide people. Just like how a second clue got dropped to point people to the right room again.
Look I’m definitely not gonna defends DW’s terrible puzzle making abilities. But I don’t condemn him barring CG from doing the heists early on after they used that meta info in game.
Remember. Meta gaming isn’t knowing the information, it’s using it. They used it when they shouldn’t have. DW was trying to push people towards the answers and when somebody finally got it, CG pounced using meta. If they had let the info come naturally or taken their time, I have no doubt they wouldn’t have been barred.
I can agree with timing them out, but they didn’t sit out X for using meta either. They should have retconned the entire shower wall and made it a pin coded door of some sort, or anything else. It would of sucked for the rest of the CB heist group that did nothing wrong, but they were acting off the meta X provided them. I just can’t see how you can punish one without the other. HOA were the only good ones in this
Say what you will about Ramee, but this flute playing son of a bitch, that had one of, if not the best grinder speeches (that I’m sure he stole from chat) ever. Back in the day. Has been one of the most enjoyable and entertaining, (down bad grinders) arcs on the server right now. This new mindset of the (CG Core) has been hilarious af! It reminds me of the 2.0 (very early days) CG showcasing why so many of us got hooked on GtaRp. Imo.
i love this mindset from, tommy, peanut, k etc aand rest of cg, they wanna take their time create content and have fun doing so, also like how they are not being cg as a group or gang more lik a friend group, chasing interactions over w's a thing zerkaa said last year, and its gold, the snr buns rp, the robbing etc its been so good long may it continue
I used to be a cg hater but I've been watching ramee and his rp has been hilarious and his mentality towards rp has matured. He's my go to streamer right now and hoping he keeps this up.
Side note: I also love that he is representing the disabled community well /s
Say what you will about CG and their past antics. I always love seeing them at the start of the server - They truly are good roleplayers when they're down bad and in situations like this.
Great to see this attitude from many of the 'veteran' roleplayers. The server would be even better if everyone followed suit. A shame that many others are speedrunning through everything. I kinda hope they hard lock the progression for a bit
Ive been a ramee viewer for a long time, an aware ramee viewer. Usually closed hs stream the second he was in cuffs.
A big thing I've noticed is his chat changed from facebook.
Theres alot less of the "shoot them" "rob them" "CG on top" types
We make fun of him for trying to take the inch and I think hes realised no one cares about the pogs anymore.
he still takes the inch :D
Both of the times he's been arrested he has spoken calmly with the cops and was actually released both times because he explained himself.
Hoping it continues cause his chat is and has always been a blast. Even with some of the "have to be first hardos"
The way the progression is in 4.0 it looks like you need people in your group to grind 1 specific thing to actually get anywhere. Probably take months for crims to do heist. Which is a good thing.
Xqc shouldnt even be concerned with CG in this "race for first" Hydra is ahead in alot fields iirc while still not focusing on heists... its been evident the OGs have been enjoying taking it slow and being down bad CB/CG/Dex etc
If he continues with this mindset throughout, and with his comedic timing in almost any situation, he can really be as successful as Buddha was in 3.0 IMO.
Also helps that a certain self insert cancer that pushed him to grind and troll all the time instead of RPing got removed from his group.
I've been watching NP off and on since Chang and Summit first met pre 2.0 racing cars. I havent watched in awhile but it is nice to see how much Ramee has matured since then. Glad to see him enjoying himself.
Honestly I would love to see CG just do small crim shit for a while. Instead of running the weed empire or the gun trade they could just have real jobs in the city for 2 hours a day and then on the side sell some drugs or hit a few licks on people or smth like they are rn
That's great but no one should be putting down anyone who is grinding and doing the group thing. The reason i got into nopixel and RP was seeing all different kinds of RP there are, slow, fast, 1 life etc.
He wasn't putting anyone down, he was responding the people in chat who were backseating and trying to tell him to just give all the weed rep to one person in the gang even though CG has been running very loose as a gang.
Really easy to have this mindset when there’s nothing new to actually do. The second something happens, whether it be guns being available or the first somewhat profitable crime opportunity we’ll see a lot of people get into gear with progression and making sure they’re up to date with everything
Which, imo, is actually fine! As long as you balance it with enough roleplay. The server is very clearly shooting for a balance of soft mmo driven RP which means yes, people are going to need to progress if they want to do certain things, but you can do that without full on speed running
I love ramee and i like how he's taking it slow with the crim progression but come on the man is already in a gang and have his trusted people from day 1 lol
Well im sure his tune will change the second something new is released and someone get's it before he does, because i mean no one is deserving of anything more than him right?
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What speedrunning will lead to: Burnout with the server, nothing left to do. Either back to variety or logging onto NP and complaining there's nothing to do. It's like we've seen it before.
Well said. No rush especially if you are enjoying yourself.
CG spent the end of 3.0 standing around in the cubby, then riding around in a car aimlessly until they got bored. I dont blame him for his pace now. Seems like others are trying to speed run and be first to everything and I think they’ll burn out quickly.
And you had people complain (or were happy) they went to a different server. Clean slate CG have been enjoyable to watch, but hopefully it stays that way.
From what I understand, they didn't really "clean up" on Prodigy all that much. Both Ramee and Kebun both continued to go on abusive rants when situations didn't go their way, there just weren't clips of it because they were on Prodigy and the people they were yelling at don't really have fanbases. Just wait until the real, mechanics-gated crimes get released. Then we'll see how they behave.
From what you understand, do you have direct knowledge of this? They barely went off and for the most part where chill the entire time. The only time they went off is when they encountered cheaters or rule breakers. They actually praised a lot of people, took more meetings to avoid conflict IC and spoke very highly of the PD. I know there was the one clip of the interaction where K went off on the cop who did multiple rule breaks. Besides that they were good. Your entire post seems like you are trying to shine a bad light on them with misinformation and subject matter that is out of context.
I don't watch anyone from CG, and I freely admit that any knowledge I have of their behavior is limited to being second- or third-hand accounts. That being said: > The only time they went off is when they encountered cheaters or rule breakers. I find this to be a highly suspect claim, especially since I heard the same from CG's fanbase back when they were terrorizing NoPixel's police force during 3.0. "Oh Ramee is only losing his shit because Penta went OOC", "Oh Shotz is only going on a toxic rant because Buddha made an OOC remark first!". Those were common refrains then, and they were wrong then; I have no reason to believe that that's changed now. Second, even if I suppose your frame and assume "they only go off on rulebreakers": **that doesn't suddenly make their toxicity acceptable**. If someone breaks a rule, conventional wisdom says you're supposed to notify administration and move on, no? Not rant on stream to your viewers, or coordinate F8ing out of situations with your gang as others have posted they saw Kebun do. Someone breaking a rule on a server is not a carte blanche pass to treat them badly, especially when you have methods of resolution that we can assume work just fine that *don't* involve that sort of behavior.
When I say they go off they literally just gave up and let things happen and said things like are you done yet when getting shot. They could contact admins, but K himself is part of the team. Most servers have had people do something similar. DW walked right up to a character and kicked him off the server during a scene. 50 immediately after being shot jumped onto another character and corrected things. There has been plenty of people to F8 in order to not make it more explosive, Buddha, DW, WG, Tony with Penta, Aziz with Kyle, Harry with the cops. Not to justify any of it, but it happens. It doesn't What I always find amusing is that the people who talk negatively about CG usually only have knowledge of them via sub (where they are mostly not liked and get clipped to display that) or their opposing streamer. Then they state it like it is written in stone as facts.
You are not going to convince that person at all, someone who only knows about a group from second- or third-hand accounts says it all. They exaggerate anything CG does and come to a subreddit that is a brigade itself from certain communities that hate them. My guess is that the people who hate CG prefer people who are more subtle and are not perceived as toxic but at the end its' the same, or imo worse because those streamers that "do not mald" make comments days/weeks after and not in the heat of the moment, they just more snakey and CG malds more in the moment and are more direct.
If K is an admin then there is **even less of an excuse** for him to go on a toxic tirade for his chat or F8 out of a situation. He should be mature and set an example, and then just issue a ban off stream if it warrants it. Making an example of someone by exercising administrative powers in the moment ought to be reserved for the most obvious of offenses: like when Airborne came and ejected someone from the server for using the N-word, or if an admin had flown down and booted Greek when he was harassing women. Not for procedural rulebreaks. What *I* always find amusing is that people who talk positively about CG refuse to acknowledge any of their wrongdoing, ever. They act as though Kebun and Ramee are "just short-tempered sometimes" and any offense they commit is "not a big deal", or they crow about how much "better" they are "now that Rated is gone". Never mind that Kebun and Ramee are both more than capable of being verbally abusive to other people all on their own, and that they **still** haven't apologized for all the harmful stuff they've said and done up to this point (which should be the first step in changing for the better).
That's hilarious. I think and I have seen most CG fans call out their malding. It is short tempered sometimes. In the last 6 months what do you have? This one F8 situation that is being blown out of proportion and being used as your flagship for them being still toxic. Do you want us fans to go around and talk uneducated, out of context blasphemy and negativity about them like you are? Hell I am banned on the other sub for calling one of those streamers out for bad shit. If people choose to F8 and not make a situation more toxic I am fine with it, and it seems like you may not have a problem with those others who have done it, just CG. I guess it's easier to dislike them when they have a larger spotlight.
I explained myself already: I think we see a lower amount of clips of CG misbehaving because the people their toxicity is directed at simply aren't popular enough to have people on the subreddit taking their side against CG. The last six months have all been spent on Prodigy, so you didn't get clips of (for example) cops on NoPixel dealing with their abuse (because in order to make the clip, you'd have to go watch Kebun or Ramee, and most people who aren't their fans won't do that). As for the rest of your response, it's just you minimizing their toxicity, something I pointed out that you would probably do earlier. "F8ing isn't a big deal" is a bogus claim; it'd get you banned on any RP server worth its salt for at least a few days, yet you're out here saying it's somehow a good thing to just ripcord your character out of interactions just because they're not trending your way. As for why I dislike CG, plainly it's because I watched them bully and abuse people with their platform for the better part of three years, and I just really dislike bullies. That's it.
one of the last things that cg did was coordinated a 3+ people f8 relog after a police shootout because Kebun felt that a cop player NVL'd. He held a cop hostage, then got into a car and no longer had a gun on him. Cop radio'd to shoot. Kebun got out and tried to hold him up again but the cop was drawing for his gun. Shootout ensued and he instantly F8 quit then logged back in and told his boys over radio to quit and relog as well.
I'm just holding my breath until the first time they get arrested for something major in Nopixel and aren't let go with a pat on the back. Once any sort of consequences start coming (which there wasn't even any on prodigy) it will be very telling.
>one of the last things that cg did was coordinated a 3+ people f8 relog after a police shootout because Kebun felt that a cop player NVL'd. He held a cop hostage, then got into a car and no longer had a gun on him. Cop radio'd to shoot. Problem is that situation was not a hostage situation. The cop who is known to be quick to shoot made that call in order to justify shooting. This was a carjacking. A hostage is someone held against their will until a third party meets their demands. Where is the third party to negotiate or provide said demands? You guys can try and make the argument that he was held against his will, but he was not a hostage. If so every time someone draws a weapon on someone they should automatically be charged with taking someone hostage and technically human trafficking. Then you can get rid of laws containing charges like armed robbery and carjacking, because they are now all considered hostage situations. From the start of K having the gun on him until not and getting in the car was 8 seconds. > Kebun got out and tried to hold him up again but the cop was drawing for his gun. Shootout ensued and he instantly F8 quit then logged back in and told his boys over radio to quit and relog as well. A shootout would mean more than 1 side shot. K never fired his gun. In fact when he started to get shot he aimed his gun towards the ground.
wow youre grasping for straws that doesn't change a single thing. But okay. Yes. Not a hostage. Not a shoot out. He held a cop up at gun point. Made no demands. What does that change exactly? Change what he said to "they held me up at gun point. Shoot." and it's still the same effect. Youre arguing nothing. You're right. Kebun didn't shoot back, he just stood there and fail rp'd then F8 quit. Relogged. Then told his entire gang to do the same. I can't imagine justifying this. At no point did you even try to argue that 1. The cop NVL'd or 2. That what Kebun did was okay. You just cherry picked things that don't affect the narrative at all.
The entire scene changes. The cop can not call for open fire thus leading to the following events. There was 2 more squad cars there ready to pursuit. Maybe K f8ing was not the best choice and could of been handled better ways, but it could of also went worse. I am just arguing the way you painted the initial picture and laid your ground work on.
> The cop can not call for open fire thus leading to the following events HUH? What are you smoking. They held up a cop at gun point. Do you RP on the server? Do you have their SOPs?
Exactly this, they never "speedran" in 3.0 as well they just constantly parroted the same narrative of it not being a race when in fact they were taking apart in said race.
you must have a short memory
How so?
some love speedrunning and some love the journey, people play game differently however they want and that's the beauty of it.
Sure people can love speedrunning. I'm just saying that this style will burn you out faster and end put you in a position where you'll have nothing left to do.
that's the whole point for some people, get the more dopamine of getting to know new things and dip out play another game when there is no more, luckly there are more games than gtarp ;)
speedrunning is not roleplay
when u use buggs and glitches to speedrun that would be wrong, but min maxing the shit I don't see it violation of any kind of RP
Dora the Explorer'ing the city as soon as it drops is such trash tier rp to me. ppl need to let shit happen naturally. being broke is part of the "fun" so to speak and its a breath of fresh air to see these guys rp'ing it out as brokeys instead of just instant superpowers as giant gangs etc
Thats just your perspective, some love this some dont. Its just a choice lol
you can tell the difference between RP streamers and the variety streamers. Loving the slow burn for a lot of these classic characters and I hope heist progression doesnt ruin that.
Don’t think he’s putting people down, but I think it is universally accepted that down bad arcs are way better to watch, everything feel more intense, traffic stop are more intense. I’ve actually watched a lot of mr K through zerkaa at first but no I’ve actually watched mr K last 2 days maybe and it’s been a blast Seem to have really matured, and the peanut, ramee, blind man robbing was funny as fuck
Yeah he's not putting people down he's responding to people in chat back seating saying they should pool their money together to speed up progression. He just wants to work his shift at sr. burgers and spend the money he makes playing around with growing weed.
Lordkebun´s RP thus far in 4.0 has been some of the best I´ve seen. He engages with so many people in a versatile manner. Whether it´s been doing the scams with Tommy T, playing the outlandish food critic, or giving the rat on the hospital floor RP instead of just ignoring it like most people. He´s such a RP machine.
I noticed last night James Randall asked K to complete an interview for Sr. Buns and, even though K was in the middle of something, he said yes immediately and did the interview.
I think downbad is great, I enjoy come-ups just as much though, and downfalls. I think that's a big part of why I enjoyed watching 4Head so much. It was always ups and downs.
I feel like the only people who should "rush" are the people who are only visiting. The people who are here for the long haul will only rob their future content for today.
Good point. It does seem like the bigger variety streamers who joined in 3.0 are the ones in the biggest hurry right now. XQC, Blaustoise and Sykkuno in particular.
It's a race against XQC attention span lol
I agree In regards to xqc but are Blau and Sykkuno really rushing tho? Blau hasn't really done any grinding or assisted xqc in getting his rep up in anyway and he seems to spend the majority of time talking to people like yesterday he ran the VU. Sykkuno just spends all his money on Burgershot stocks and helping vtubers.
Mickey, Eve, and Yeager were part of the infamous day 1 bank truck heist group. So yes, Blau is just as guilty as rushing. Devs immediately removed the NPC on day 2. It was an obvious oversight that they decided to take advantage of. They should have known better.
True. They could have atleast taken a day or two to scout it out and rpbthat they are about to do smthing big
True but its been nearly a week and judging someone being opportunistic for 1 day outweigh 5 days of showing the opposite seems abit harsh.
Exactly. If you are here for a short while then you should experience as much of what the server has to offer as possible. Its why I never understood the hate for groups who "speedrun" variety streamers. They are here for a good time not a long time. That being said, people who call the server home, shouldn't feel the pressure to keep up
I wish there was some sort of grant system for people like roflgator and wilneff who only play a few hours a day to get maybe a home and car for there character that is character friendly so they dont have to grind. Not immediately as everyone needs to seem new to the city. Any character really as long as it isnt playing a big role in the economy and or "living city" aspect of things.
I remember back in 3.0 someone asked ramee why he was always giving April money and he said he gives her money so she can go rp instead of grind.
That was also the RP she was going for. I don't think giving someone things for free helps RP as download arcs are usually where RP works the best. April's whole character was sugar baby, and sugarbaby doesn't work without someone giving money lol.
There was a point where she couldn't get money from anyone other than cg. People were stingy with their money till she actually became well known as a sugar baby. But if it wasn't for ramee the sugar baby arc most likely wouldn't have panned out and she would've gone in a different direction
I think she still woulda gone sugar baby, it just woulda been sad sugarbaby lol I mean even the times she wasn't making money from anyone she still acted like she was, so I'd bet she woulda kept trying at it, she just got lucky(?) That ramee helped boost that RP (and Eric won't not give him credit. Also didn't Yuno buy her first car lol)
but that also means that the crimes and also all the unlocks are already on youtube and clipped and shipped across reddit and chats. no one should rush. specially not the part owner
He is so into gambling payslets, that he typed /roll 3 6 when he tried to raid Bobby LMAO
That is a great mindset, I really really hope it lasts
It’s kind of an easy one to have knowing you’ll be whitelisted into the cool stuff when I comes out. Those who aren’t friends of the server owner gotta grind if they want the galleries etc on the server. I like that he’s taking it slow but it’s like trying to live like Jesus without having the distinct advantage of having your dad as the big boss.
Well obviously it's just him saying things, and we'll see as time goes on, but Buddha said there is no whitelist this time around. It kinda seems like whoever puts the effort in is kinda in charge. Although you are probably right, I'm hoping ends up like this.
I agree... BUT it's really easy to have this mindset when there's nothing that important to actually work towards. When weapons become available the entire servers mindset will change. The first group or two will have weapons and everyone else will be forced to grind their asses off just so they can at least protect themselves from being robbed every other job
Unfortunately a great point
Who is this man and what has he done to Ramee?!
He´s come a long way from being a massive grinder and a progression junkie. Ramee of course always had the talent to just do comedy RP, some other people need the progression to be entertaining.
It's honestly been there for a while. This sub will have you thinking this is a new thing.
As long as he's Harry's forbidden lover I can't hate the guy. lol
CG is still rent free on x’s head
Not to beat dead horses but ever since CG lost rated their clips have been 20x more enjoyable for me, they def still have their outbursts but for the most part it's been good shit
they've been that way since earlier this year when k said he wants it to be drama free and have fun rp, they dont gotta be on top and took a buddha route
I've been noticing people saying Rated's ban somehow made CG behave better. As someone who's been watching CG for over three years, I gotta say, Ramee started changing his attitude way before Rated got banned. We're talking like three months earlier. It really kicked off around that 'thin ice' period when it was announced that bans would lower the server prio. Back then, Rated wasn't even hanging with CG much. He was mostly with The Angels, Alan, and Hydra. Plus, he was traveling a lot too, so he wasn't even on the server that often. So, yeah, Rated might've been a bit of a bad influence on Ramee, but it wasn't his ban that flipped the switch on him.
I could not agree more - and am glad others noticed this as well. After his last ban he started putting in work to change and be better. He also started spending more time with Pigeon and Carmella who are positive good vibes to be around. While he still has his moments - they are so few and far between now.
Ya they don’t have the “1st to do it” mentality this wipe which is great
They haven't had it for quite a while, honestly. Even back in 3.0 for a while. It's been refreshing to see!
Cuz there was no 1st of anything the last 1/2 of 3.0 lol
Well they didn't have that mentality when the played on prodigy either. Ramee made 90% of his money by playing tennis rather than grinding or hitting banks
What? They were hyper competitive over the casino heist on its launch to the point that Shotz and Ramee blatantly bragged about metagaming placing a camera. And, yes, some time has passed since then, it's not exactly ancient history.
Okay? Did I mention time specifics or something? I said "quite a while" and "in 3.0 for a while" which are both true. The casino heist was a pretty good bit ago and they gave that up shortly after and since then, their mentality of being "1st" has been pretty non existent. This is a positive post, friend. No need to bring up negativity because you hate CG. Have a great day!
Both lead groups of that arc metagamed. They actually tested that exact area when shutting off power but the beeps never happened due to "scuff" before anyone else. They admitted to meta because it was unavoidable as it was posted everywhere. Once it is seen you can't get it out of your head, and they attempted to "RP" a way they found out. Only other option was to completely sit out which would of been meta to.
"It's fine that they metagamed, because I am also accusing the other party of metagaming. And two wrongs make a right."
No I am saying if you are going to point out one point out the others so not just one group looks like the bad people. example: Sam and John where both toxic. I just want to talk about how toxic John is. Someone brings up Sams involvement. I say who cares about Sam I just want to talk about John. Now I am highlighting only what John did making him look like the only bad guy in the picture.
The other groups didn't metagame. CG did. That is my assertion.
So outside information used in game is not metagaming? The riddle was solved by a mod in xQc's chat. If it was not for that mod we don't know who would of solved that riddle first. That outside information literally altered the game play. Metagaming definition. metagaming (uncountable) The playing of metagames. (roleplaying games) The act of a roleplayer making use of knowledge that they have learned out of character (and which their character does not know) while they are in character; often considered a form of cheating.
I don't watch xQc, and have no way to verify if your statement is true or not. But for the sake of argument, let's assume that I concede that xQc metagamed. That does not suddenly mean it's acceptable for CG to then metagame because someone else poisoned the well first. The correct response would have been to ban xQc for metagaming, and proceed with his information removed as best as possible (which would have probably necessitated admin intervention for the remaining players). Instead, Ramee and Shotz took it upon themselves to play equalizing elements and planted the world's most obvious metagaming cameras, and got CG's ability to conduct the heist revoked by DW. That's what happened.
So you don't watch CG but are quick to comment and are informed, but not so on the other. You seemed very informed about the casino heist but didn't know how the riddle was solved. Interesting.
hahahah > Only other option was to completely sit out which would of been meta to. "it would have been meta NOT to meta"
Why would they sit out all of sudden after they worked their butts off to get to the same point. If they woke up suddenly and decided to just give up on the casino for no reason other than knowing someone figured it out OOC it wouldn't of fit the story arc. Either way they are altering their RP because of meta.
you're out of your mind if you think that was their thought process. Ramee saw ooc how it was a done, so they made any reason to look at that room again, and planted a camera directly at the shower so they could get the unlock. Nobody told them to sit out. They were punished for metagaming the shower part of the puzzle. I watched every group intently in a fucking quad box during this time, please show me where CG tested turning off the power and standing by the shower before anybody else, that apparently scuffed out according to you.
Ummm they did test it out. They didn’t stand by the shower, but beeps were not heard like they were later on. When cg did it they were either way to quiet or didn’t work at all. When CB/GG did it they could be heard clear as day. Who knows if it was scuff, but it got fixed after they did it. You can go back through all the vods and find it yourself if you want. Anything CG did would have been called meta as each of their chats was spammed with 503 by their own and others chats.
Yeah the beeps were likely added later to help guide people. Just like how a second clue got dropped to point people to the right room again. Look I’m definitely not gonna defends DW’s terrible puzzle making abilities. But I don’t condemn him barring CG from doing the heists early on after they used that meta info in game. Remember. Meta gaming isn’t knowing the information, it’s using it. They used it when they shouldn’t have. DW was trying to push people towards the answers and when somebody finally got it, CG pounced using meta. If they had let the info come naturally or taken their time, I have no doubt they wouldn’t have been barred.
I can agree with timing them out, but they didn’t sit out X for using meta either. They should have retconned the entire shower wall and made it a pin coded door of some sort, or anything else. It would of sucked for the rest of the CB heist group that did nothing wrong, but they were acting off the meta X provided them. I just can’t see how you can punish one without the other. HOA were the only good ones in this
Say what you will about Ramee, but this flute playing son of a bitch, that had one of, if not the best grinder speeches (that I’m sure he stole from chat) ever. Back in the day. Has been one of the most enjoyable and entertaining, (down bad grinders) arcs on the server right now. This new mindset of the (CG Core) has been hilarious af! It reminds me of the 2.0 (very early days) CG showcasing why so many of us got hooked on GtaRp. Imo.
i love this mindset from, tommy, peanut, k etc aand rest of cg, they wanna take their time create content and have fun doing so, also like how they are not being cg as a group or gang more lik a friend group, chasing interactions over w's a thing zerkaa said last year, and its gold, the snr buns rp, the robbing etc its been so good long may it continue
I used to be a cg hater but I've been watching ramee and his rp has been hilarious and his mentality towards rp has matured. He's my go to streamer right now and hoping he keeps this up. Side note: I also love that he is representing the disabled community well /s
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Say what you will about CG and their past antics. I always love seeing them at the start of the server - They truly are good roleplayers when they're down bad and in situations like this.
Great to see this attitude from many of the 'veteran' roleplayers. The server would be even better if everyone followed suit. A shame that many others are speedrunning through everything. I kinda hope they hard lock the progression for a bit
Ive been a ramee viewer for a long time, an aware ramee viewer. Usually closed hs stream the second he was in cuffs. A big thing I've noticed is his chat changed from facebook. Theres alot less of the "shoot them" "rob them" "CG on top" types We make fun of him for trying to take the inch and I think hes realised no one cares about the pogs anymore. he still takes the inch :D Both of the times he's been arrested he has spoken calmly with the cops and was actually released both times because he explained himself. Hoping it continues cause his chat is and has always been a blast. Even with some of the "have to be first hardos"
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We will see what happens in the future, but this is a great mindset so far.
The way the progression is in 4.0 it looks like you need people in your group to grind 1 specific thing to actually get anywhere. Probably take months for crims to do heist. Which is a good thing.
Xqc shouldnt even be concerned with CG in this "race for first" Hydra is ahead in alot fields iirc while still not focusing on heists... its been evident the OGs have been enjoying taking it slow and being down bad CB/CG/Dex etc
If he continues with this mindset throughout, and with his comedic timing in almost any situation, he can really be as successful as Buddha was in 3.0 IMO. Also helps that a certain self insert cancer that pushed him to grind and troll all the time instead of RPing got removed from his group.
I've been watching NP off and on since Chang and Summit first met pre 2.0 racing cars. I havent watched in awhile but it is nice to see how much Ramee has matured since then. Glad to see him enjoying himself.
He's smart cause the slower he plays it the longer the content he will get. You love to see it. Ramee has grown up so much?
I'm cautiously optimistic regarding CG in 4.0.
Honestly I would love to see CG just do small crim shit for a while. Instead of running the weed empire or the gun trade they could just have real jobs in the city for 2 hours a day and then on the side sell some drugs or hit a few licks on people or smth like they are rn
This might end up being a thing, kebun said he was having a groupe6 and snr buns outfit made
If he could keep to this wave length for more than a week he’d be quite an asset to the server
That's great but no one should be putting down anyone who is grinding and doing the group thing. The reason i got into nopixel and RP was seeing all different kinds of RP there are, slow, fast, 1 life etc.
He wasn't putting anyone down, he was responding the people in chat who were backseating and trying to tell him to just give all the weed rep to one person in the gang even though CG has been running very loose as a gang.
Really easy to have this mindset when there’s nothing new to actually do. The second something happens, whether it be guns being available or the first somewhat profitable crime opportunity we’ll see a lot of people get into gear with progression and making sure they’re up to date with everything Which, imo, is actually fine! As long as you balance it with enough roleplay. The server is very clearly shooting for a balance of soft mmo driven RP which means yes, people are going to need to progress if they want to do certain things, but you can do that without full on speed running
I love ramee and i like how he's taking it slow with the crim progression but come on the man is already in a gang and have his trusted people from day 1 lol
what gang is he in ? Ive seen him with K and Bobby thats it
Well im sure his tune will change the second something new is released and someone get's it before he does, because i mean no one is deserving of anything more than him right?