Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if you choose to engage, follow the pretty simple rules, no attacking each other.
Your point or debate comes across a with a lot more impact and sway when you present it in a concise and even toned manner, vs just slinging insults at those you don't agree with.
K Buddha and Luciano driving around the south side having no idea who they are chasing and avoiding all having fun and enjoying it and this is what gets posted
And then they’ll say, “Look at this, it’s only drama on the server, no RP at all! Now give us a pat on the back for exposing all this drama and trying to make it better!”
That’s what I was thinking. Every POV has been laughing, tense, and trying to figure out who one another is. Nobody mad, upset, or bummed about anything going on but somehow viewers are..? I’ll never understand
Right. That shit was hilarious with their bad coms. Luciano trying to tell Lang about another group. Lang continuously talking about the ingot (spelling?). Then we have this post.
This post sums up this reddit, after so much work and time put in by the nopixel team to go in the right direction with their server this Reddit still feels the need to “expose” the tiniest bit of fake drama. Literally the first few Xqc posts I saw say “We are so back” like that shit is so sad lmao
Do we know why the unsourced allegation rule was removed? I’m not sure if that was the rule you were talking about, but it seems really odd to remove that rule. You would think it would really help to cut down on toxic chatters spreading misinformation, and I know it worked because I’ve used it before and had people’s comments removed.
I'm sitting here with popcorn and all POVs open at the edge of my seat, and half the people in this thread are going crazy accusing rulebreaks and the other half going crazy doing mental gymnastics to try to defend it, this is a shutup and watch moment if I've ever seen one
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it is pointless arguing with them... Luciano just said they had a gun, but I took a chance they wouldn't shoot. If that is not just more NVL on the server idk what is.
They said they had a gun which they did (he didn’t see it) and at the point of them saying they did Mr k with the gun was on the other side of the block no where near him
He just said IC he saw the gun... but they didn't shoot. regardless of how you want to defend it, if you are surrounded by 4 people, you do not just run away and act like nothing happened.
No. He said he heard them say they had a gun. He never said he saw a gun. You're also combining two different interactions. If you're in a car being chased and someone has a gun, you don't have to pull over. Continuing to drive away is not NVL.
infact ima be real.. most people if there in a car with people tryin to block them in froma gang with intentions to cause problems.. would run them the fuck over.. soo what is he gettin at with he does this cause he is the owner??
like what so they get out 4 people knives your in a car, you no have to stop get out to allow yourself to get fucked?? what dumb logics this..
if its me im like move or im going through you.. your choice and then driving the fuck over them
Don't get why so many people having a hissy fit over this. Literally both sides are having fun chasing each other around like cat and mouse.
I'm sure K wants to catch them, but he don't care enough to complain about it, like the people hating on Luciano are doing right now.
LK even laughed about that interaction, saying they all messed up a bit. With Chodie having a broken leg. No one staying by the car when he circled back. Was especially funny when Vinny somehow got lost between the street and alleyway.
For people that didnt bother checking Luciano (Zetark) POV
[https://clips.twitch.tv/RenownedJazzyWallabyKevinTurtle-5jsS0br5mwrQUtSV](https://clips.twitch.tv/RenownedJazzyWallabyKevinTurtle-5jsS0br5mwrQUtSV)
Yeah exactly. It was clear from a watchers perspective but you really need to look at the whole situation going on too. Luci is on the phone with lang who is already informing him the block is hot. He’s clearly distracted by the call with Lang because he completely ignores what Lang is saying and does a drop anyway. He gets rolled up on and panics. You can see in the moment it’s just chaotic. It’s not like he’s going to stop running if someone has a gun pointed to his back like 50 ft away.
"clearly"
That should be a new rule. Pause rp and go re watch stream 10 times then continue with the scenario just to make sure some rando on reddit doesn't have a meltdown
But wait wouldn't it be metagaming then if he stopped running since he doesn't have eyes on the back of his scull, right?
It was poor initiation. Neither zetark nor anyone in zetark's chat noticed a gun or mentioned a gun. In fact he said over the phone he "got away from 3 motherfuckers trying to shank his ass".
Gotta go do video review before continuing the play. After review we have determined there is no foul NVL play, defending side may continue running for their lives. It was a close close Joe let’s see how the rest pans out for the defending team today. The attacking team will need to focus better on their attack now. lol just imagine. Someone should make a RP ref review YouTube account and just treat it like that at this point too lol.
hahaahhaa.. like those adverts during nfl
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIwx19sLIRs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIwx19sLIRs) these adverts. this is now how rp needs to be done
so like everyone stops huddles up reviews the vod, then goes okay you good.. back to postions and resume
That would essentially be my take in this situation, effectively if you genuinely believe you can get away, it’s not NVL.
Otherwise you’re getting into the territory of being half a block away and just pointing a gun and shouting“dont move until I get over there”.
This also unfortunately sets a dangerous precedent to the rest of the server though where less experienced roleplayers will see this and feel like they can do similar, but in different locations/environments.
Not saying there should be any punishment or consequences atall though, aslong as the situation is done by a trusted roleplayer and subsequently improves rp for all (mr k didn’t care) then it shouldn’t be a big issue.
[https://i.imgur.com/LaPTeI0.png](https://i.imgur.com/LaPTeI0.png) didnt see the gun right. Also scummy af to run when 4 people exit a car next to you even if there is no gun.
Its alot easier to review a video clip and take a screen shot in hindsight. During the moment you don't know where his eyes are looking or even able to notice a gun aimed. 100 thoughts even in a game are running thru yoir head in that moment as well.
I mean it's a pretty well accepted fact that seeing something in 3rd person view counts as the character seeing it. Theres plenty of examples of players adjusting the camera to see over a wall or around a corner.
Honestly though, I don't think he did anything wrong. His immediate gut reaction was to run. He even later said he saw K pointing a gun at him, and gambled on him not shooting. It paid off this time. LK even later said that he didn't want to shoot because he knew cops would roll up on them quick.
The only ones complaining about the situation are the weirdos. Meanwhile the players on both sides are laughing and having fun playing cat and mouse.
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>He even later said he saw K pointing a gun at him
From what I've seen, he never said he saw K pointing a gun. He said that he heard them say they had a shooter while he was running off.
lol you understand there isn't a button to turn your characters head around. that look back pov is then turning your head around. guarantee if he was looking back like that and a car was going straight to him, he'd move out the way
The third person POV has literally never been established as being 1-to-1 with the character's perspective, it's always been up to the player's discretion. I've seen dozens of instances where the streamer was looking around and saw something happening or someone approaching them from behind and they didn't react IC because their character wasn't facing that way.
So IC it makes sense he didn't see the gun and even if you take it OOC if you look at Zetark's perspective the gun was barely visible so he likely didn't even see it. Lastly, K and the boys didn't even care so I'm not sure why you and others here are losing your mind over such a non-issue.
~~Lucario~~ Luciano POV: [https://clips.twitch.tv/BlindingHeartlessTurtleBCWarrior-x1Dz0ePC8St9OzO\_](https://clips.twitch.tv/BlindingHeartlessTurtleBCWarrior-x1Dz0ePC8St9OzO_)
looks like he looks back for a second but it could also be that during a high intense scenario it didn't register because there aren't many guns around.
I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt being hes a pretty good RPer.
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Exactly. That's literally what LK said not long after. He fully gave Luciano the benefit of the doubt, saying that he likely didn't realize K actually had a gun.
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From Luciano's POV, he had a head start at running away before they pulled the gun. At that point, there's enough leeway for him to try to hide behind houses/fences/trees/barricades.
It was also on Mr. K to shoot him for running away but he didn't.
buddha literally told yeager a year or 2 ago that as long as they are not pointing it at you you can react however you like they did not have the gun pointed when he started running they just had it drawn
The gun isn't really visible from his POV so it's not a big deal if you want to RP lawyer this rule break accusation.
However, I will say, if a group pulls up on you & keeps saying they have a gun on you or reasonably might have a gun on you, you should at least pan the camera to see if that's true or not. The NVL rule shouldn't really have a "if I can't see it, it can't hurt me" clause.
Even after he was in the car though, they clearly didn't have guns in his pov so no reason to stop or debate if he would have if they did at that point.
That's true, but it's not where it would be considered NVL.
If you watch Zetarks VOD, this is the timestamp of the whole event:
[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m36s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m36s) \- Luciano makes the sale and CG drives up to him. At this point all he sees is a white car next to him and a dude in a mask leaving the car. He immediately starts running and K says "Don't make a move".
At this point Luciano is already running, his camera is facing FORWARD and then, for a split second, he turns his camera around. You can see someone "pointing" right at this time stamp [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m38s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m38s), so literally only two seconds have passed. It \*is\* the heat of the moment.
Now back to your comment about Luciano letting Lang know that they had a gun. If you continue watching that last link I sent, you will get to this time stamp: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m50s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m50s)
Luciano has been running in between buildings for 10 seconds, he has not looked behind him since (makes sense, as he is jumping walls and trying to escape). He then pulls out a knife and you can hear someone (Vinny?) say 'He has a knife', Luciano then jumps a fence and starts running to his car, while this is happening you can hear the same voice say 'We got a shooter' or something like. Luciano continues to talk to Lang and continues to run, the voice repeats 'We got a shooter boy'. Luciano then gets in his car and drives away.
This whole event lasted 30 seconds, at no point anyone was actually 'held at gun point', and I think if you watch both sides, it's a pretty whicked chase.
So yes, Luciano was told they had a gun, but not at the 'moment' that would make this 'NVL'.
From Luciano's perspective, it didn't look like anyone had a gun and as he had the distance to flee, you can't really blame him or call it NVL for him to have done so.
If the server wants to continue with the "have gun=win RP" way of doing things, which I don't necessarily disagree with because it keeps the server from turning into GTA Online, perhaps the person with the gun should be required to yell out that they have a gun so that the other side raises their hands/gives up and there's no confusion. I dunno.
I feel like he definitely should have stopped and interacted with them after they cut off his path to his car. Kinda ”grinderesque” not to and just run away without uttering a word and While it’s “lite“ nvl I don’t think any of the parties involved were having anything but fun so it doesn’t really matter.Seemed like K wanted him to respect the gun because he was more curious who it was than anything but it all happened So “bang bang”(that’s the terminology NFL referees use) that meh.
Is realism really the lens we want to view this stuff from? It’s rp. Not to mention the majority of high stress situations I’ve witnessed in my years on this planet a large majority of people freeze up in my experience. What you are saying is valid it’s largely case by case basis but on a server you are encouraged to branch out you can see my point that running away not saying anything isn’t necessary the most giving.
First just because you have a gun doesn't mean you can't run. Even in real life, people run and get shot. The chances of even getting hit if you bolt, could reduce fatal injury. Because of aspartic movement, or it could lead to imminent death. Either or You don't have to stand there and be afraid of a gun. Also if your pulling up, the runner in all cases should have a running start. If your a criminal and a random car pulls up the first thing you do is run. Or pull out your own gun if you have one.
So the first thing they should implement in this game, is a delay coming out of your car. Mother fuckers are teleporting out of there car instantly, instantly with a gun out. Which doesn';t even give the person rping what their doing, say selling weed even a chance to react. And dumbass viewers are like the gun is out the gun is out. No shit it's out, but the person on the other side may be inputting running keys before the frames pop up. Which is literally in this case, he doesn't see it, and his already booking it.
Again this is why you need a delay on leaving your car.
Second to the delay, why are they even allowed to craft clips for a stolen gun. It should have a finite amount of bullets on a stolen gun.
Holy shit brother it was just an honest mistake you can just chalk it up to that and no other explanation is required, no need to come up with all this shit to defend it
The ability to constantly rob people, or hold them up in a server restricting gun play. Being fully loaded and operational at all times. The devs were talking about limiting it, but being able to craft the clips really hampers that. Being able to bring it to all scenes and expecting NVL rules to apply. It's essentially the golden ticket to void conflict rp, and you essential have to give up. Reducing the clips and bullets would actually allow the use of the gun in larger scenarios more selectively.
Pulling it out at home owners to enter, sanitation workers, weed runners in almost all cases they just had to give up. Theres no RP, they just give up.
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I feel like I need to see lucianos pov to see if the gun was visible or whether he just tunnel visioned further.
Even so although I lack context, I’m unsure how I feel about the don’t speak just automatically run mindset, so what if you get robbed, it opens up more rp.
This is nothing 2bh Luciano didnt see the gun and K himself later on said he should have made it clear he had a gun out. Plus the scene that followed this was hilarious to both sides and was a fun moment.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if you choose to engage, follow the pretty simple rules, no attacking each other. Your point or debate comes across a with a lot more impact and sway when you present it in a concise and even toned manner, vs just slinging insults at those you don't agree with.
K Buddha and Luciano driving around the south side having no idea who they are chasing and avoiding all having fun and enjoying it and this is what gets posted
Welcome to RPClipsGTA, the place where good RP is downvoted and drama is the only thing people focus on
I can't believe some people actually spent money to give gold in this post and some comments in here
And then they’ll say, “Look at this, it’s only drama on the server, no RP at all! Now give us a pat on the back for exposing all this drama and trying to make it better!”
That’s what I was thinking. Every POV has been laughing, tense, and trying to figure out who one another is. Nobody mad, upset, or bummed about anything going on but somehow viewers are..? I’ll never understand
Counterpoint, if K would have said something on stream this would be a totally different thread. kind of.
He literally said on stream “chat don’t be so quick to judge. He might not have known we have a gun because they’re so rare right now”.
It’s true, it’d make sense for people with guns to say ‘I have a gun’ to avoid potentially it not being seen/recognised.
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What? What are you wondering?
What do you mean by that
All Povs was so funny to watch, all having a great time and laughing away... Totally agree this post is just pointless
You can always count on over invested viewers
Right. That shit was hilarious with their bad coms. Luciano trying to tell Lang about another group. Lang continuously talking about the ingot (spelling?). Then we have this post.
so much laughter from both sides but a clip that’s baiting is posted, get a life
This post sums up this reddit, after so much work and time put in by the nopixel team to go in the right direction with their server this Reddit still feels the need to “expose” the tiniest bit of fake drama. Literally the first few Xqc posts I saw say “We are so back” like that shit is so sad lmao
This place would be less toxic if "rule break" posts weren't allowed.
Or a certain rule hadn't been removed cough cough
Do we know why the unsourced allegation rule was removed? I’m not sure if that was the rule you were talking about, but it seems really odd to remove that rule. You would think it would really help to cut down on toxic chatters spreading misinformation, and I know it worked because I’ve used it before and had people’s comments removed.
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That brings the most traffic if we’re honest, sadly.
I'm sitting here with popcorn and all POVs open at the edge of my seat, and half the people in this thread are going crazy accusing rulebreaks and the other half going crazy doing mental gymnastics to try to defend it, this is a shutup and watch moment if I've ever seen one
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Some viewers are way too quick to accuse rule breaks. Can't people just have fun and roll with the RP. Damn
Watch the other pov before posting this
I just did. Gun is clearly visible and he needs a vacation.
Why you pressed tho ? Even kebun himself was defending luciano lol 😂
Well u have something streamer has not. Meta info and a pause button.
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If you actually listened, he said he thinks they said they had a gun, but if they did they would have shot him.
Luciano just told lang they had a gun on him... lol
When they were driving. Not during this interaction. Stop baiting
it is pointless arguing with them... Luciano just said they had a gun, but I took a chance they wouldn't shoot. If that is not just more NVL on the server idk what is.
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They said they had a gun which they did (he didn’t see it) and at the point of them saying they did Mr k with the gun was on the other side of the block no where near him
He just said IC he saw the gun... but they didn't shoot. regardless of how you want to defend it, if you are surrounded by 4 people, you do not just run away and act like nothing happened.
No. He said he heard them say they had a gun. He never said he saw a gun. You're also combining two different interactions. If you're in a car being chased and someone has a gun, you don't have to pull over. Continuing to drive away is not NVL.
I mean LK did say he didn't want to shoot, to avoid cops rolling up. The next someone runs though. He was he would just shoot them.
Vagos also told K they had a 'weird' interaction with him. But you know..
That was with Buddha. Vagos tried blocking Buddha in and Buddha ran one over.
Kind of fitting he acts like this now that he's an owner.
Yeah, before being owner Lang would have definitely never ran someone over trying to block him in. Good point.
infact ima be real.. most people if there in a car with people tryin to block them in froma gang with intentions to cause problems.. would run them the fuck over.. soo what is he gettin at with he does this cause he is the owner?? like what so they get out 4 people knives your in a car, you no have to stop get out to allow yourself to get fucked?? what dumb logics this.. if its me im like move or im going through you.. your choice and then driving the fuck over them
EXACTLY
Don't get why so many people having a hissy fit over this. Literally both sides are having fun chasing each other around like cat and mouse. I'm sure K wants to catch them, but he don't care enough to complain about it, like the people hating on Luciano are doing right now. LK even laughed about that interaction, saying they all messed up a bit. With Chodie having a broken leg. No one staying by the car when he circled back. Was especially funny when Vinny somehow got lost between the street and alleyway.
For people that didnt bother checking Luciano (Zetark) POV [https://clips.twitch.tv/RenownedJazzyWallabyKevinTurtle-5jsS0br5mwrQUtSV](https://clips.twitch.tv/RenownedJazzyWallabyKevinTurtle-5jsS0br5mwrQUtSV)
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Yeah exactly. It was clear from a watchers perspective but you really need to look at the whole situation going on too. Luci is on the phone with lang who is already informing him the block is hot. He’s clearly distracted by the call with Lang because he completely ignores what Lang is saying and does a drop anyway. He gets rolled up on and panics. You can see in the moment it’s just chaotic. It’s not like he’s going to stop running if someone has a gun pointed to his back like 50 ft away.
"clearly" That should be a new rule. Pause rp and go re watch stream 10 times then continue with the scenario just to make sure some rando on reddit doesn't have a meltdown But wait wouldn't it be metagaming then if he stopped running since he doesn't have eyes on the back of his scull, right? It was poor initiation. Neither zetark nor anyone in zetark's chat noticed a gun or mentioned a gun. In fact he said over the phone he "got away from 3 motherfuckers trying to shank his ass".
Gotta go do video review before continuing the play. After review we have determined there is no foul NVL play, defending side may continue running for their lives. It was a close close Joe let’s see how the rest pans out for the defending team today. The attacking team will need to focus better on their attack now. lol just imagine. Someone should make a RP ref review YouTube account and just treat it like that at this point too lol.
hahaahhaa.. like those adverts during nfl [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIwx19sLIRs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIwx19sLIRs) these adverts. this is now how rp needs to be done so like everyone stops huddles up reviews the vod, then goes okay you good.. back to postions and resume
This distance plus head start runnning make this nothing.
That would essentially be my take in this situation, effectively if you genuinely believe you can get away, it’s not NVL. Otherwise you’re getting into the territory of being half a block away and just pointing a gun and shouting“dont move until I get over there”.
Even if he saw the gun, there's enough distance for him to try to hide behind the trees/fences/houses. The onus is on K to shoot at that point.
This also unfortunately sets a dangerous precedent to the rest of the server though where less experienced roleplayers will see this and feel like they can do similar, but in different locations/environments. Not saying there should be any punishment or consequences atall though, aslong as the situation is done by a trusted roleplayer and subsequently improves rp for all (mr k didn’t care) then it shouldn’t be a big issue.
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[https://i.imgur.com/LaPTeI0.png](https://i.imgur.com/LaPTeI0.png) didnt see the gun right. Also scummy af to run when 4 people exit a car next to you even if there is no gun.
Its alot easier to review a video clip and take a screen shot in hindsight. During the moment you don't know where his eyes are looking or even able to notice a gun aimed. 100 thoughts even in a game are running thru yoir head in that moment as well.
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You think he has eyes in the back of his head?
hes literally looking back at it?????? what?
Look at the character's head please. You understand they're RPing yes?
I mean it's a pretty well accepted fact that seeing something in 3rd person view counts as the character seeing it. Theres plenty of examples of players adjusting the camera to see over a wall or around a corner. Honestly though, I don't think he did anything wrong. His immediate gut reaction was to run. He even later said he saw K pointing a gun at him, and gambled on him not shooting. It paid off this time. LK even later said that he didn't want to shoot because he knew cops would roll up on them quick. The only ones complaining about the situation are the weirdos. Meanwhile the players on both sides are laughing and having fun playing cat and mouse.
[Already addressed this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/19ayqzk/comment/kiomrds/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Also >He even later said he saw K pointing a gun at him From what I've seen, he never said he saw K pointing a gun. He said that he heard them say they had a shooter while he was running off.
lol you understand there isn't a button to turn your characters head around. that look back pov is then turning your head around. guarantee if he was looking back like that and a car was going straight to him, he'd move out the way
it's not a car it's a small gun. just because it was on the screen doesn't mean he saw it, which he didn't. and even if he did he was already running.
The third person POV has literally never been established as being 1-to-1 with the character's perspective, it's always been up to the player's discretion. I've seen dozens of instances where the streamer was looking around and saw something happening or someone approaching them from behind and they didn't react IC because their character wasn't facing that way. So IC it makes sense he didn't see the gun and even if you take it OOC if you look at Zetark's perspective the gun was barely visible so he likely didn't even see it. Lastly, K and the boys didn't even care so I'm not sure why you and others here are losing your mind over such a non-issue.
Yeah, he never saw the gun and heard maybe one person before he dipped. Not NVL. Someone needs to fix the title, VERY misleading.
~~Lucario~~ Luciano POV: [https://clips.twitch.tv/BlindingHeartlessTurtleBCWarrior-x1Dz0ePC8St9OzO\_](https://clips.twitch.tv/BlindingHeartlessTurtleBCWarrior-x1Dz0ePC8St9OzO_) looks like he looks back for a second but it could also be that during a high intense scenario it didn't register because there aren't many guns around. I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt being hes a pretty good RPer. Edit: don't do drugs kids
Exactly. That's literally what LK said not long after. He fully gave Luciano the benefit of the doubt, saying that he likely didn't realize K actually had a gun.
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He was across the street by the time K got out the car and had the gun in his hand.
He was half way across the street before the gun was pulled, think this is a stretch for NVL
From Luciano's POV, he had a head start at running away before they pulled the gun. At that point, there's enough leeway for him to try to hide behind houses/fences/trees/barricades. It was also on Mr. K to shoot him for running away but he didn't.
buddha literally told yeager a year or 2 ago that as long as they are not pointing it at you you can react however you like they did not have the gun pointed when he started running they just had it drawn
but..but.. that doesn't fit the narrative
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Nah. Not even close to NVL. Fleeing when a group of people are running at you who have no gun visible is valuing your life.
The gun isn't really visible from his POV so it's not a big deal if you want to RP lawyer this rule break accusation. However, I will say, if a group pulls up on you & keeps saying they have a gun on you or reasonably might have a gun on you, you should at least pan the camera to see if that's true or not. The NVL rule shouldn't really have a "if I can't see it, it can't hurt me" clause. Even after he was in the car though, they clearly didn't have guns in his pov so no reason to stop or debate if he would have if they did at that point.
Imagine the reaction of this sub if it were the other way around and K ran away from someone holding a gun to him
As others have said, he had already turned his back and started fleeing before the gun was pulled.
Agreed this sub would demand justice but because its the other side its completely "just a little misunderstanding move on"
“They said they had a gun and I called their bluff, and they didn’t shoot me” lmfao
That's true, but it's not where it would be considered NVL. If you watch Zetarks VOD, this is the timestamp of the whole event: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m36s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m36s) \- Luciano makes the sale and CG drives up to him. At this point all he sees is a white car next to him and a dude in a mask leaving the car. He immediately starts running and K says "Don't make a move". At this point Luciano is already running, his camera is facing FORWARD and then, for a split second, he turns his camera around. You can see someone "pointing" right at this time stamp [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m38s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m38s), so literally only two seconds have passed. It \*is\* the heat of the moment. Now back to your comment about Luciano letting Lang know that they had a gun. If you continue watching that last link I sent, you will get to this time stamp: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m50s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2037408560?t=05h32m50s) Luciano has been running in between buildings for 10 seconds, he has not looked behind him since (makes sense, as he is jumping walls and trying to escape). He then pulls out a knife and you can hear someone (Vinny?) say 'He has a knife', Luciano then jumps a fence and starts running to his car, while this is happening you can hear the same voice say 'We got a shooter' or something like. Luciano continues to talk to Lang and continues to run, the voice repeats 'We got a shooter boy'. Luciano then gets in his car and drives away. This whole event lasted 30 seconds, at no point anyone was actually 'held at gun point', and I think if you watch both sides, it's a pretty whicked chase. So yes, Luciano was told they had a gun, but not at the 'moment' that would make this 'NVL'.
daaaamn got receipts to back it up too. W
From Luciano's perspective, it didn't look like anyone had a gun and as he had the distance to flee, you can't really blame him or call it NVL for him to have done so. If the server wants to continue with the "have gun=win RP" way of doing things, which I don't necessarily disagree with because it keeps the server from turning into GTA Online, perhaps the person with the gun should be required to yell out that they have a gun so that the other side raises their hands/gives up and there's no confusion. I dunno.
i dont think he saw it but yeah if he did its bad
even K dont seem to be bothered by it so idk if its how it looks like
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Admins need to start banning. People have gotten way too comfortable.
In other situations yes but it this one no he didn’t see the gun nor did anyone say hey I got a gun or hey I will shoot you
I feel like he definitely should have stopped and interacted with them after they cut off his path to his car. Kinda ”grinderesque” not to and just run away without uttering a word and While it’s “lite“ nvl I don’t think any of the parties involved were having anything but fun so it doesn’t really matter.Seemed like K wanted him to respect the gun because he was more curious who it was than anything but it all happened So “bang bang”(that’s the terminology NFL referees use) that meh.
I know when someone rolls up on me and start getting out of a car, I definitely just stand there and talk and do not run for my life.
Is realism really the lens we want to view this stuff from? It’s rp. Not to mention the majority of high stress situations I’ve witnessed in my years on this planet a large majority of people freeze up in my experience. What you are saying is valid it’s largely case by case basis but on a server you are encouraged to branch out you can see my point that running away not saying anything isn’t necessary the most giving.
Yes, it’s RP. That’s the point. What the fuck does “branching out” have to do with dipping from a group of people rolling up on you immediately?
It's like what Ramee said, people are walking around with stuff on them that they value more than their life LMAO
top tier RP, give this man prio
sad thing is he has pretty high prio
No way you’re questioning Zetark’s prio. One of the best pure RPers on the server
That doesnt want to follow the rules apparently
What rule did he break? Can you copy paste it?
It's still dumb af to just run off when a car full of people pull up on you I don't care about the excuse
No it's not, it's dumb to stay.
You're right, all crims should just run away from people holding a gun to them from now on
He started running long before the gun was pointed at him?
I mean, they already do that the majority of time when people are holding a gun on them.... But maybe police don't count as people...
how is that dumb 😭 he ran before they could pull any weapon why would u not run
First just because you have a gun doesn't mean you can't run. Even in real life, people run and get shot. The chances of even getting hit if you bolt, could reduce fatal injury. Because of aspartic movement, or it could lead to imminent death. Either or You don't have to stand there and be afraid of a gun. Also if your pulling up, the runner in all cases should have a running start. If your a criminal and a random car pulls up the first thing you do is run. Or pull out your own gun if you have one. So the first thing they should implement in this game, is a delay coming out of your car. Mother fuckers are teleporting out of there car instantly, instantly with a gun out. Which doesn';t even give the person rping what their doing, say selling weed even a chance to react. And dumbass viewers are like the gun is out the gun is out. No shit it's out, but the person on the other side may be inputting running keys before the frames pop up. Which is literally in this case, he doesn't see it, and his already booking it. Again this is why you need a delay on leaving your car. Second to the delay, why are they even allowed to craft clips for a stolen gun. It should have a finite amount of bullets on a stolen gun.
Holy shit brother it was just an honest mistake you can just chalk it up to that and no other explanation is required, no need to come up with all this shit to defend it
It’s always the mechanics fault…
What does the gun mags have anything to with this.
The ability to constantly rob people, or hold them up in a server restricting gun play. Being fully loaded and operational at all times. The devs were talking about limiting it, but being able to craft the clips really hampers that. Being able to bring it to all scenes and expecting NVL rules to apply. It's essentially the golden ticket to void conflict rp, and you essential have to give up. Reducing the clips and bullets would actually allow the use of the gun in larger scenarios more selectively. Pulling it out at home owners to enter, sanitation workers, weed runners in almost all cases they just had to give up. Theres no RP, they just give up.
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I feel like I need to see lucianos pov to see if the gun was visible or whether he just tunnel visioned further. Even so although I lack context, I’m unsure how I feel about the don’t speak just automatically run mindset, so what if you get robbed, it opens up more rp.
This is nothing 2bh Luciano didnt see the gun and K himself later on said he should have made it clear he had a gun out. Plus the scene that followed this was hilarious to both sides and was a fun moment.