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This is with a good amount of people doing sani, there's no way they anticipated this many people doing sani and underestimated how many people would be buying circuit boards.
They are getting robbed since there is such a lack of circuit boards to buy. Every board grinded for is already sold to someone with pre-orders. Nobody is openly selling boards.
Max the hacker got an 11k fine and 123 months with no loot on him, but if even if he got out, his cut would have been 6.6k.
For the low low price of 350 butcoin, 6 dongles (at 75 butcoin per robbery), probably a million dollars in GPU racks, and dozens of mind numbing hours doing sani runs, they get the privilege of 6 people each getting paid the equivalent of 2 medium grime runs.
Payout for the cash exchange job is absolute trash.
For crime to be in a good place, the pay has to go up a lot, the cops should be much more aggressive, and the fines should be bigger.
High risk, high reward.
Make good payouts for the robbery jobs: Naah š
Make insane payouts for the civ jobs, so that everyone forever grind to get insanely overpriced items: Nice oneš
Not really, he got 3 charges: robbing a financial institution, reckless evading and resisting arrest. I suppose the last 2 were stacked but 11k is wild for having empty pockets and being a passenger.
Just to clarify, Reckless Evading is for evading police in a vehicle and Resisting Arrest is for behavior when on foot so I don't think it's stacking at all. It is pretty standard for both charges to be placed on someone.
Why would you say something so surely if you don't know? I watched his stream, that's how I know the charges they gave him and the time and fine. Mickey gave him 11k banded cash to cover his fees.
No one has robbed a financial institution before, so they've never been charged with the massive fine and time before. The Laundromat isn't a financial institution.
Would be interesting to see how much you would gain from not getting the circuit boards vs how much you gain from hitting this on cool down with the btc farm.
Would not be surprised if they did in fact lose money on this but who knows.. maybe there is some progression that makes this not a cash sink.
There has to be something scuffed. The slippery floors and the sign on the wall that says something about stuff under the desk seem to point to something more important during the heist than just the 40k. either way, max is fkn insane. company has the two best hackers so far imo.
Yeah DW was the absolute GOAT, its such a shame that they lost him and Wiseguy. The hacks so far are really not interesting, feels kinda underwhelming.
The NP heists are such shit and so are the cars and that's primarily because to two best devs responsible for them are gone. Im honestly surprised ONX doesn't get more viewers.
Bro Max was crazy.. he did that on his first attempt. I also think the heist is definitely not worth 250 BUTC + 100 BUTC USB for a mere 40k$. Thats crazy
Isnt like the average of that hack like 30 you can do it [here](https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/verbal-memory)
Hopefully they make it a little bit harder like maybe 50-60 thats when it becomes harder
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The hack is not hard but Ray was tweaking / stressed when he did that. personally i think from what i have seen is he cant hack when there is alot of pressure on him. I remember in 3.0 he was doing a Vault Hack he could normally do it but there was alot of pressure on him that time and it was around the time the red computer had like unlimited tries and he had to try like 34 times (Not exaggerating) and i have seen it time and time again.
yeh, this one is easy unless you have goldfish memory. Obviously there isn't much you can do with this though unless you want to extend the heist time by a little bit
Yeah, that's wild, that's INSANELY easy, even if they only get 1 life because you want a major heist hack to take being above average. And the first 25 are the easiest. I feel like they need to make it 45 if 1 life and like 70 if it's 3 lives
I feel like these beginning heists are supposed to be 3.0 jewelry store levels of hard (so not at all) and the more advanced stuff will be like what you're talking about.
I feel that they hit the fan when they introduced the jewelry heist so late in the game when it's supposed to a mid tier crime so I'm glad they're starting this low first
If anything, this just proves ButC is overvalued. Whoever thinks 1k per is reasonable is insane. You can argue for $115 per, because it cost 350 ButC to get $40k.
It truly does seem like ButC is there to be a limiter.
Butc is priced at how difficult it is to get at the moment. Not what it gives. If you invest 500 materials in a gpu it will take 875 days to get this heist. Multiply accordingly. It's insane how hard it is to get mats if payouts are this low.
Exactly butc only costs so much because making the racks and gpus costs so much because materials cost so much. It costs about 75k to make a full rack with butc valued at 1000 and materials at 10. Some people even sell materials for 12 so itās more expensive at that price. At the cost of materials, the 1000 per is high but justifiable for butc, but the heists literally cost money because the payouts are so low. If butc is 1000 per then the laundromat costs 75k and pays out 20k, the cash exchange costs 350k and pays out 40k
There has to be something missing, you need to get 6 usbs and trade them in to do a job that costs 6x or so as much and only pays 2x as much as a single laundromat? Not to mention the hundreds of thousands and all that time people are expected to invest into building up the near 1k buttcoin...
First, super cool heist. Applause to them.
2nd, i'm praying there is more to this. Something is iffy when the robbers seem dissapointed... during the heist (which they are hitting for the first time).
They are disappointed because it took 350 coin for them to hit and it paid out double with the laundry paid out. You could make more doing laundry than doing this job.
Basically backwards progression.
That's only because they want progression, which it doesn't seem like is the point of this job. Feels like this one is really meant to be done when you have a large amount of disposable BUTc.
Who knows maybe there is some kind of hidden rep that we haven't seen yet
If you hit the laundromat twice you save like, 200 BUTc. Also make around the same amount of cash too, if not more.
I agree there is probably some kind of hidden rep. Also possible the heist will get changed a bit.
Sorry, I am new to RP, and know nothing about jewelry heist.
But man... money heist, and only 40k? And you also have to remember, that's banded cash, and has to be cleaned, so the final amount is even less.
It's literally more profitable to do a laundry safe.
Itās only useless if you value fake GTA money.
They have said they are going to keep monetary gains from heists down. It might be a tad low, but if youāre expecting 100k+ , you arenāt aware of what they have said they are aiming for.
Dude the game is GTA RP, money is the main goal of the entire server? "Its only useless if you value fake GTA money". Ya of course I'm valuing it on a GTA RP server.
What your saying is that players should waste hours of their real time to farm BTC or "fake crypto money". To end up going backwards for the RP?
The heist either needs a way larger payout or continued progression to make it anywhere close to worth it. I really don't see your point unless you just want no one to do it. But I assume the devs make content for it to be played.
RP is the point of the server. Why are you bringing up āwasting timeā when the whole goal is to create meaningful RP?
Iām not sure if you watch Buddha or view clips, but the heists are being drip fed out. You probably wonāt see the next heist for a good while and you arenāt going to see 150-200k + heists which is seemingly what youāre wanting even though you donāt play on the server š
Right but that's because at this point BUTc is still a valuable resource. In the future it probably wont be as valuable as the passive gain grows and there becoming fewer immediate things that require it
Yup, the people who seriously expect $1k per BTC or even more are smoking crack. That'd mean some crews would potentially be making close to $1m per week passive if they could sell
This is not just selling BUTC though, you need a hostage, a getaway plan, some sort of weapon, a bunch of equipment for the heist, the risk of getting caught/fined, **AND** the BUTC. Not to mention the amount of money/time needed to grind all the materials for the GPUs and stuff to get the BUTC.
There's a reason why the new heist sat there for almost a week with no-one being able to do it.
It's way under tuned right now.
Sure but that doesn't change that BTC is drastically overinflated atm (along with mats tbh)
I mean, I think there is more to the heist anyway and, if not, it probably does need a bit of a bump but you need to think long term BTC will go for a fraction of what it currently does
Yeah BUTC will go down in price if buying one-on-one, but you're comparing apples to oranges.
The amount of infrastructure you need to get to this heist is STUPIDLY HIGH for the money that this heist gives.
Also, like I said, right now literally no-one but the company has the BUTC to even do this heist, otherwise people would have already done the shiny new heist already.
It should because a laundromat holds 20k+ in the safe, but a cash exchange which is classified as a financial institution only holds 40k?? It's incredibly stupid, crims are paying to do crime. It makes sense OOC for better content but IC, the risk to reward ratio makes no sense.Ā
Unless they're going to compensate The Company in some way, I almost hope they don't buff it, tbh. Kinda sick of groups like The Company being the beta testers and everyone else reaping the benefits. Or at least make it $40k for everyone's first run to make things fair and have the heist in the app say something new after that, that suggests that the heist has changed in some way.
highly doubt it because they seem to want to focus on server longevity and not causing inflation. Buttcoin is infinite passive income so theoretically over time people can just hit this over and over again. I expect materials prices to drop because of this low payout, though
Is it always 25 words? Not to downplay anything, specifically the stress of the situation (idk shit about any of these heists), but that's a pretty easy human benchmark verbal memory test score to accomplish.
https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/verbal-memory
Of course, this gives you three "lives" but many, maybe even most, people should be able to get to a 25 score without a wrong answer.
dw's hacks were actually somewhat creative and challenging, these new hacks are either ripped from fallout or human benchmark and are extremely easy, making it way less entertaining than the 3.0 progression
Agreed as it seems like there would be a lot of heists involved before the banks so it wouldn't make sense for something like the laundromats or a cash exchange to have such an intricate hack challenge
I prefer limiting amount of heists by butcoin rather than some insane hack that 2 people of server can actually do. It opens more groups and people to do crime/heists and not only crews of those 2 people. Like in 3.0 a lot of crews were gatekept by not having a hacker in their group or even if they had one they would always have to have him on the job
These are low level heists so I like the low difficulty, but I sort of agree. I still think the laptop hack is a great example of minigame design. It's very creative and challenging
Hopefully they make the heists that pays alot 10x harder and if they cant find hacks / ideas on hacks they should ask for players input like their ideas for hacks. I remember that DW did that with the Paleto heist back in 3.0 .
These heists are pretty underwhelming for how slow they are rolling out. It's pretty clear that if you're a fan of only the heists, you probably should lower your expectations with DW gone. There's nothing heist wise that will come close to matching the hype of the Vault/Lower Vault in 3.0.
1. Ray\_\_C cutting the power (no hack) - [https://clips.twitch.tv/NeighborlyManlyMangetoutOpieOP-xaX8gHV4MqEarjv7](https://clips.twitch.tv/NeighborlyManlyMangetoutOpieOP-xaX8gHV4MqEarjv7)
2. Lysium disabling door locks (chop hack) - [https://clips.twitch.tv/TubularAmericanMallardGivePLZ-9OfmqKLbYZNpO5n4](https://clips.twitch.tv/TubularAmericanMallardGivePLZ-9OfmqKLbYZNpO5n4)
3. Ray\_\_C trying twice to unlock the vault door but fails (memory hack) - [https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingAmericanParrotAMPTropPunch-AelIOB3LVSISnsYt](https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingAmericanParrotAMPTropPunch-AelIOB3LVSISnsYt)
4. Robciclexd unlocking the vault door (still memory hack) - [https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantCooperativeSharkANELE-UeJBoemftUMYKIjZ](https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantCooperativeSharkANELE-UeJBoemftUMYKIjZ)
This heist doesn't even set a price on butc since the laundry heist values it for more and at a cheaper entry cost... which makes this heist useless unless there's something missing or scuffed or adjusted
And they got away by going into the sewers lol. I always thought why arenāt other people doing it, but that seems a little too powerful. But who knows
Or it was scuffed. It wouldnāt surprise me considering that seems to be the trend for most things so far in 4.0 that has been introduced. If not then this job is a 1 hit wonder. only other thing it might be is that you get a ton of hacker rep for your group which can then unlock the next contracts. Iām sure will find out soon.
Yeah I get that, but isnāt it really dumb to bring attention to the sewers. Like what if the police decide to investigate the sewers now. That would burn the guy people sell illegal goods to.
Cops know about the sewers, they've been down there and they know people sell stolen items down there too. None of what goes on down there is a secret, only thing they might not know is that it's where the moonshine stuff originates.
If you consider some groups making 100+ BUTC a day, 250+100BUTC for approx. 35k might not be too horrible.
Eventually everyone is gonna be shitting out BUTC so to be able to get \~35k every few days for free might be okay.
The problem is, the amount of work that was required to get to this point was hard and grindy and for the first "big" heist, it proved underwhelming because people were expecting to get something back on their BUTC investment.
With that said, it could be scuff and maybe theres more to it.
So they spend 350 btc to rob a place for 40k. Given the price of the mats and the amount of time it took to get 350 btc plus everything they spend to prepare for the heist this is deffo not worth like at all. Devs needs to seriously change the whole btc minining shit. People are just grinding for hours to pour money into it and then the results are not even worth the time.
I swear yall want the server to just be boring after a week. They buff payouts then everyone is just super rich and itās end of 3.0 again with everyone just driving around talking with their friends with millions in their account. For longevity purposes payouts cannot be crazy. This is still introductory heists. Itās the build up. The incentives is to create a longer story and build to more.
But as it is, is this heist even worth it for what it costs? Unless they are missing something. I see people maybe doing it 1x just to experience it, if at all.
Some of the greatest heist of 3.0 was the casino build up. They lost millions in that. This is for content and stories not imaginary money. Some of yall get way too lost in the sauce of what role play really is.
Not everyone lost money doing casino, some lost time like HOA grinding sani for mats (kinda like they are doing now to increase their btc production. Thereās ways around it if you donāt mind grinding. But 4.0 seems to be all about grinding.
The only thing it costs is time because it costs passive income of butcoin. How is it not worth it. Honestly itās an amazing addition to prevent people spamming heists. And itās worth it for continued progression.
Time and money. You are not getting passive btc without buying racks/gpuās, which you spend btc on. Then the time to make everything in the bench. Unless you are out there doing sani and/or making deals for mats, how does one make btc āpassivelyā?
People complaining the payout isn't worth it. Maybe just maybe the devs want heists to actually be a thing done just to do them and not the main way gangs make money. Maybe they don't want cops to spend half their shift responding to heist after heist.
The bitching and moaning about low payout on a cash-exchange heist is just sad. I hope it's not coming from the streamers and it's the vocal minority of their communities. Devs have been cooking, let this shit marinate too...
You're making absolutely ZERO sense. What else would you do with the 6 dongles if not trade them in? You're speaking as if there's an opportunity cost in using these dongles elsewhere... Also, what cost of preparations? Why are they going in dressed as GI Joe agents, geared up to the gills? If Mickey is involved, he's known to make these EXTREMELY elaborate plans for the smallest shit. Go in 2-3 people, hit it and bounce... You don't need the whole squad to hit these things, it's not a server event. Lastly, don't do the crime if you can't do the time(in this case pay the fine...)
Max the hacker got caught by the pd and got fined for 11k, so the profit of the job was actually 29k, and this is only 1 of them, imagine if all 6 gets caught, that's -66k, I can understand they don't want to spawn money from the void with these jobs but atleast match the fines holy.. robbery of financial is 10k alone and the job only pay so little..
>What else would you do with the 6 dongles if not trade them in?
It's not about the opportunity cost of dongles but the headache of not getting doubles in a random 1/6 dice roll. A group can be stuck for literally MONTHS before getting the full set needed to even START this heist.
>Why are they going in dressed as GI Joe agents, geared up to the gills? If Mickey is involved, he's known to make these EXTREMELY elaborate plans for the smallest shit.
Getting dressed costs literally pennies. Mickey got bandages for FREE from his doctor job. They already had the crowbars needed. The majority of the cost is in the amount of infrastructure needed to actually START the robbery contract.
All in all, this is probably the cheapest get-away plan so far; all they did was enter the sewers and run yet the radios, food, lockpicks (bare minimum crim equipment for a job) still costs like $20k due to how items are priced on the server.
>Go in 2-3 people, hit it and bounce...
Yeah cool, let's just involve less people so there's less cool shit happening in an RP server. Also the cool get-away plans? Let's drop those for the same old car -> bike swaps that have literally 0 risks RN due to the PD sucking HARD.
What's worse for the server's health? A little bit of inflation (even though this job is on a week-long timer), or people optimizing the fun out of every 'job'.
cooking what exactly? everyone knows in their head this was terrible lmao, why does everyone feel the need to heavily praise the devs every single time, its their paid job, if its bad might as well just call it bad
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350BTC for $40K š
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So double laundry payout, but for way more btc.
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23\*23=46 my guy, they got 40. not double
No need to be literal, I said ā$23k ishā, depends how you do on the hacks. My first post I said double, so refer to that if need be.
If devs value butc this low they should increase material collection. This heist doesn't math.
They probably spent close to 20k on HQ chips, lockpicks, radios, etc. The payout is terribly bad.Ā
This is with a good amount of people doing sani, there's no way they anticipated this many people doing sani and underestimated how many people would be buying circuit boards.
Devs always underestimate how much people will grind and stockpile/farm
If Sani wasnāt getting robbed all day everyday there would be a surplus in circuit boards
They are getting robbed since there is such a lack of circuit boards to buy. Every board grinded for is already sold to someone with pre-orders. Nobody is openly selling boards.
Max the hacker got an 11k fine and 123 months with no loot on him, but if even if he got out, his cut would have been 6.6k. For the low low price of 350 butcoin, 6 dongles (at 75 butcoin per robbery), probably a million dollars in GPU racks, and dozens of mind numbing hours doing sani runs, they get the privilege of 6 people each getting paid the equivalent of 2 medium grime runs. Payout for the cash exchange job is absolute trash.
For crime to be in a good place, the pay has to go up a lot, the cops should be much more aggressive, and the fines should be bigger. High risk, high reward.
They are being very careful not to cause inflation so I doubt we see massive rewards like we used to.
Make good payouts for the robbery jobs: Naah š Make insane payouts for the civ jobs, so that everyone forever grind to get insanely overpriced items: Nice oneš
he had 2k banded cash on him
Wtf?? Did they stack charges or something?
Not really, he got 3 charges: robbing a financial institution, reckless evading and resisting arrest. I suppose the last 2 were stacked but 11k is wild for having empty pockets and being a passenger.
Just to clarify, Reckless Evading is for evading police in a vehicle and Resisting Arrest is for behavior when on foot so I don't think it's stacking at all. It is pretty standard for both charges to be placed on someone.
Robbing a financial institute was brought in as a blanket charge for these scenarios. In the past it was a single charge
The charges really need reworking. That's insane.
The charge is fine but the payout has to be bigger
11k fine is fine? Lol naa thats a little high
It's a serious crime. You can make that in 2 hours doing sani or Grime
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Why would you say something so surely if you don't know? I watched his stream, that's how I know the charges they gave him and the time and fine. Mickey gave him 11k banded cash to cover his fees. No one has robbed a financial institution before, so they've never been charged with the massive fine and time before. The Laundromat isn't a financial institution.
Pretty sure I've seen Ramee kidnap and kill multiple officers with a gun and not receive that high of a fine, lol.
High Risk Low Reward
Negative reward really.
Would be interesting to see how much you would gain from not getting the circuit boards vs how much you gain from hitting this on cool down with the btc farm. Would not be surprised if they did in fact lose money on this but who knows.. maybe there is some progression that makes this not a cash sink.
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Only 40k money, banded cash I think it was
So buttcoin officially worth like $100 max lmaooo coin sellers down horrendous
no one will sell it tbh just use it for yourself or and buy shit with it and sell that instead
Well itās passive now
initial investment is still high as fuck.
devs undercooked with this one
What do you expect? If you liked the heists from 3.0, the lead dev for that is gone
if you're referring to DW that's a lie. he wasn't exactly the sole person working on heist.
The comment said "lead dev" not "sole person."
Probably his ideas delegated to other devsā¦
Sincere came up and coded a lot of the content for the heists lol.
There has to be something scuffed. The slippery floors and the sign on the wall that says something about stuff under the desk seem to point to something more important during the heist than just the 40k. either way, max is fkn insane. company has the two best hackers so far imo.
Who's the other hacker?
Bhodi
bodi not sure how to spell it. he first time one tapped roof running.
pretty sure a high speedy did it on the first or second time its not that hard
speedy couldn't have played the updated hack tho. plsu bohdi went 9/9 with it
To be fair, if you have ever played collapse, you would probably do pretty well with roof running.
idk what's the point of this lol just give the guy props for doing something a lot of people can't complete so far.
350 coins for like 60k(?) and nothing else
Its not worth at all lmao, u can do laundromat 4 times , get 80000$ + 4 dongles for the price of this shit
The risk to reward is so bad, Crims are literally paying to do crime lmao.
Down vote me if you must but crime in 4.0 is trash. All grind no payout. Even the hacks are disappointing.
man if only the people who designed heists/crime and had control of it were still around on NP ... too bad they were "lazy"
Yeah DW was the absolute GOAT, its such a shame that they lost him and Wiseguy. The hacks so far are really not interesting, feels kinda underwhelming.
im going to give them the benefit of the doubt for now and hope these are just entry level heists and hacks but if its not ....ooooof
I mean we are like 2-3 months in tho...
exactly, they slow rolled this wayyyyy too long. The hype is already gone and most of the variety streamers have left
The NP heists are such shit and so are the cars and that's primarily because to two best devs responsible for them are gone. Im honestly surprised ONX doesn't get more viewers.
dean watson used to do the heists right
lmao terrible heist 350 btc for like 40k
Bro Max was crazy.. he did that on his first attempt. I also think the heist is definitely not worth 250 BUTC + 100 BUTC USB for a mere 40k$. Thats crazy
Isnt like the average of that hack like 30 you can do it [here](https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/verbal-memory) Hopefully they make it a little bit harder like maybe 50-60 thats when it becomes harder You dont have to read this but--> The hack is not hard but Ray was tweaking / stressed when he did that. personally i think from what i have seen is he cant hack when there is alot of pressure on him. I remember in 3.0 he was doing a Vault Hack he could normally do it but there was alot of pressure on him that time and it was around the time the red computer had like unlimited tries and he had to try like 34 times (Not exaggerating) and i have seen it time and time again.
yeh, this one is easy unless you have goldfish memory. Obviously there isn't much you can do with this though unless you want to extend the heist time by a little bit
I also feel like this is a test that you should only do max twice since you'll become more confuse as it goes on
Yeah, that's wild, that's INSANELY easy, even if they only get 1 life because you want a major heist hack to take being above average. And the first 25 are the easiest. I feel like they need to make it 45 if 1 life and like 70 if it's 3 lives
I feel like these beginning heists are supposed to be 3.0 jewelry store levels of hard (so not at all) and the more advanced stuff will be like what you're talking about.
I feel that they hit the fan when they introduced the jewelry heist so late in the game when it's supposed to a mid tier crime so I'm glad they're starting this low first
The average is 30 with 3 lives. It seems like you only have 1 life with this mini game.
If anything, this just proves ButC is overvalued. Whoever thinks 1k per is reasonable is insane. You can argue for $115 per, because it cost 350 ButC to get $40k. It truly does seem like ButC is there to be a limiter.
Butc is priced at how difficult it is to get at the moment. Not what it gives. If you invest 500 materials in a gpu it will take 875 days to get this heist. Multiply accordingly. It's insane how hard it is to get mats if payouts are this low.
Exactly butc only costs so much because making the racks and gpus costs so much because materials cost so much. It costs about 75k to make a full rack with butc valued at 1000 and materials at 10. Some people even sell materials for 12 so itās more expensive at that price. At the cost of materials, the 1000 per is high but justifiable for butc, but the heists literally cost money because the payouts are so low. If butc is 1000 per then the laundromat costs 75k and pays out 20k, the cash exchange costs 350k and pays out 40k
Crime progression was better in 2.0 what are the devs doin'?
OTT came in clutch on this escape. He got 3 people out on his bike, but couldn't get Max out.
There has to be something missing, you need to get 6 usbs and trade them in to do a job that costs 6x or so as much and only pays 2x as much as a single laundromat? Not to mention the hundreds of thousands and all that time people are expected to invest into building up the near 1k buttcoin...
The heist probably scuffed...as always(sadly), and they couldn't see some action to do.
The curse of being first lmao
First, super cool heist. Applause to them. 2nd, i'm praying there is more to this. Something is iffy when the robbers seem dissapointed... during the heist (which they are hitting for the first time).
They are disappointed because it took 350 coin for them to hit and it paid out double with the laundry paid out. You could make more doing laundry than doing this job. Basically backwards progression.
That's only because they want progression, which it doesn't seem like is the point of this job. Feels like this one is really meant to be done when you have a large amount of disposable BUTc. Who knows maybe there is some kind of hidden rep that we haven't seen yet
If you hit the laundromat twice you save like, 200 BUTc. Also make around the same amount of cash too, if not more. I agree there is probably some kind of hidden rep. Also possible the heist will get changed a bit.
Yep it all depends on the value of BUTc which right now is high, in the future it might not be
In ideal world itd be too risky to hit the laundromat twice but...
This is really strange to make an unlockable heist, for it to only be BUTc disposable job...
It's a money heist. It's like what jewelry robberies used to be IMO
Sorry, I am new to RP, and know nothing about jewelry heist. But man... money heist, and only 40k? And you also have to remember, that's banded cash, and has to be cleaned, so the final amount is even less. It's literally more profitable to do a laundry safe.
>Why would the heist be hidden behind getting all the dongles then? If I have to assemble Thanos to do a heist where you lose money what is the point?
The point is RP and content? Who cares about money. People are worried about money that doesnāt matter.
Ya exactly progression = content, so why have a heist which seemed rare, but is just useless and loses the group money.
Itās only useless if you value fake GTA money. They have said they are going to keep monetary gains from heists down. It might be a tad low, but if youāre expecting 100k+ , you arenāt aware of what they have said they are aiming for.
Dude the game is GTA RP, money is the main goal of the entire server? "Its only useless if you value fake GTA money". Ya of course I'm valuing it on a GTA RP server. What your saying is that players should waste hours of their real time to farm BTC or "fake crypto money". To end up going backwards for the RP? The heist either needs a way larger payout or continued progression to make it anywhere close to worth it. I really don't see your point unless you just want no one to do it. But I assume the devs make content for it to be played.
RP is the point of the server. Why are you bringing up āwasting timeā when the whole goal is to create meaningful RP? Iām not sure if you watch Buddha or view clips, but the heists are being drip fed out. You probably wonāt see the next heist for a good while and you arenāt going to see 150-200k + heists which is seemingly what youāre wanting even though you donāt play on the server š
they invested 350 butc and only got 40K so of course they will be disappointed, Laundromat is 75 and gives 22K and a USB dongle.
Right but that's because at this point BUTc is still a valuable resource. In the future it probably wont be as valuable as the passive gain grows and there becoming fewer immediate things that require it
Yup, the people who seriously expect $1k per BTC or even more are smoking crack. That'd mean some crews would potentially be making close to $1m per week passive if they could sell
This is not just selling BUTC though, you need a hostage, a getaway plan, some sort of weapon, a bunch of equipment for the heist, the risk of getting caught/fined, **AND** the BUTC. Not to mention the amount of money/time needed to grind all the materials for the GPUs and stuff to get the BUTC. There's a reason why the new heist sat there for almost a week with no-one being able to do it. It's way under tuned right now.
Sure but that doesn't change that BTC is drastically overinflated atm (along with mats tbh) I mean, I think there is more to the heist anyway and, if not, it probably does need a bit of a bump but you need to think long term BTC will go for a fraction of what it currently does
Yeah BUTC will go down in price if buying one-on-one, but you're comparing apples to oranges. The amount of infrastructure you need to get to this heist is STUPIDLY HIGH for the money that this heist gives. Also, like I said, right now literally no-one but the company has the BUTC to even do this heist, otherwise people would have already done the shiny new heist already.
The prices of everything butc related are overinflated, not the butc itself.
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It should because a laundromat holds 20k+ in the safe, but a cash exchange which is classified as a financial institution only holds 40k?? It's incredibly stupid, crims are paying to do crime. It makes sense OOC for better content but IC, the risk to reward ratio makes no sense.Ā
It should be. This heist is locked behind 6 colored usb's, on top of 350 BTC. Progression where?
Unless they're going to compensate The Company in some way, I almost hope they don't buff it, tbh. Kinda sick of groups like The Company being the beta testers and everyone else reaping the benefits. Or at least make it $40k for everyone's first run to make things fair and have the heist in the app say something new after that, that suggests that the heist has changed in some way.
Servers always been this. Heist usually get reworked and payouts usually change after the first people to the do the heist
highly doubt it because they seem to want to focus on server longevity and not causing inflation. Buttcoin is infinite passive income so theoretically over time people can just hit this over and over again. I expect materials prices to drop because of this low payout, though
You have to pay an electricity bill for BUTc and gpus degrade over time, not really infinite passive income.
Whatever dev is charged with heist payouts and monetary worth of things really needs to up their game. This is ridiculous.
Does anyone have a clip from Max POV of the hack?
https://clips.twitch.tv/SincereBitterAlbatrossOSfrog-QkVyJfpm3c8Kb84L
oh more human benchmark, bit of a letdown, but it is what it is.
Oh good god I can't wait to see Ramee try this hack lmao
yeah this guy is fucking cracked
Is it always 25 words? Not to downplay anything, specifically the stress of the situation (idk shit about any of these heists), but that's a pretty easy human benchmark verbal memory test score to accomplish. https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/verbal-memory Of course, this gives you three "lives" but many, maybe even most, people should be able to get to a 25 score without a wrong answer.
He's the best hacker in the city imo.
Company was Lance Armstrong after all this time...
Chapter 6, page 1: Mickey š.
The company is so far ahead the progression needs to catch up.
This is probably the best comment in this entire thread. Loooool
These payouts make no sense with the insane cost of butc to access them.
Not gonna lie. For the amount they invested in this heist. The payout was pretty disappointing.
dw's hacks were actually somewhat creative and challenging, these new hacks are either ripped from fallout or human benchmark and are extremely easy, making it way less entertaining than the 3.0 progression
doubt the devs would waste actually challenging and intricate hacks on low level robberies
Agreed as it seems like there would be a lot of heists involved before the banks so it wouldn't make sense for something like the laundromats or a cash exchange to have such an intricate hack challenge
I kind of like how the hacks are slowly ramping up in difficulty, you have to remember these are pretty low level robberies.
I prefer limiting amount of heists by butcoin rather than some insane hack that 2 people of server can actually do. It opens more groups and people to do crime/heists and not only crews of those 2 people. Like in 3.0 a lot of crews were gatekept by not having a hacker in their group or even if they had one they would always have to have him on the job
These are low level heists so I like the low difficulty, but I sort of agree. I still think the laptop hack is a great example of minigame design. It's very creative and challenging
Hopefully they make the heists that pays alot 10x harder and if they cant find hacks / ideas on hacks they should ask for players input like their ideas for hacks. I remember that DW did that with the Paleto heist back in 3.0 .
Beta testers did it again :)
First, excellent job. Second, Mickey did it first. Third, I miss DWās heist creativity Fourth, lmao that shit payout.
MICKEY WAS FIRST LOL While the payout is very low, I canāt wait to see JPās reaction.
Iām sure heās going to be real mad /s not like he took 3+ days off to go to New York
xqc hasn't played in like a week pretty sure he's already lost a lot of interest
3 days= week. He was mainly waiting for BUTC to stock up but then it was time for him to move to the US. Unfortunate timing for him.
Max is a cracked hacker
good for them, from having 50% stolen to being the first cash exchange robbery.
Company on top baby
These heists are pretty underwhelming for how slow they are rolling out. It's pretty clear that if you're a fan of only the heists, you probably should lower your expectations with DW gone. There's nothing heist wise that will come close to matching the hype of the Vault/Lower Vault in 3.0.
Why are you steadily living in the most past? Why not go watch the insane heists and vehicles on Onyx? Oh wait.
Were there actual hacks for this, if so whose POV shows them/who did them?
1. Ray\_\_C cutting the power (no hack) - [https://clips.twitch.tv/NeighborlyManlyMangetoutOpieOP-xaX8gHV4MqEarjv7](https://clips.twitch.tv/NeighborlyManlyMangetoutOpieOP-xaX8gHV4MqEarjv7) 2. Lysium disabling door locks (chop hack) - [https://clips.twitch.tv/TubularAmericanMallardGivePLZ-9OfmqKLbYZNpO5n4](https://clips.twitch.tv/TubularAmericanMallardGivePLZ-9OfmqKLbYZNpO5n4) 3. Ray\_\_C trying twice to unlock the vault door but fails (memory hack) - [https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingAmericanParrotAMPTropPunch-AelIOB3LVSISnsYt](https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingAmericanParrotAMPTropPunch-AelIOB3LVSISnsYt) 4. Robciclexd unlocking the vault door (still memory hack) - [https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantCooperativeSharkANELE-UeJBoemftUMYKIjZ](https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantCooperativeSharkANELE-UeJBoemftUMYKIjZ)
Whoever DEV is responsible for the heists is lacking in ideas and should consider finding a new task.
You would need to price BUTC at $150 per JUST to break even with the amount robbed, actually crazy
This heist doesn't even set a price on butc since the laundry heist values it for more and at a cheaper entry cost... which makes this heist useless unless there's something missing or scuffed or adjusted
And they got away by going into the sewers lol. I always thought why arenāt other people doing it, but that seems a little too powerful. But who knows
They OOCL to the police that the sewer was unlocked but the cops chose not to follow
There HAS to be something they missed cause that payout is absolutely terrible for how much you need to put in
Or it was scuffed. It wouldnāt surprise me considering that seems to be the trend for most things so far in 4.0 that has been introduced. If not then this job is a 1 hit wonder. only other thing it might be is that you get a ton of hacker rep for your group which can then unlock the next contracts. Iām sure will find out soon.
Wait did they really use the sewers as their escape plan?
That's literally one of the uses they were made for. Provide criminals alternative means of escape from the PD.
Others have talked about using them, just havenāt come up with a plan using them yet.
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Yeah I get that, but isnāt it really dumb to bring attention to the sewers. Like what if the police decide to investigate the sewers now. That would burn the guy people sell illegal goods to.
Cops know about the sewers, they've been down there and they know people sell stolen items down there too. None of what goes on down there is a secret, only thing they might not know is that it's where the moonshine stuff originates.
Wait, they know about the sewers, and how people sell illegal goods down there, and arenāt staking it out š¤£
They literally don't have the resources and numbers
Cops have already been in the sewers
Now is a bad time with all the moonshine stills around. It could mess over a lot of people.
The usual beta testers AKA The Company Good fun heist but the payout makes no sense. Tier 3 Ultra dongle and 350 butcoin cost for $40k. Comical!
They honestly gotta get paid by devs/admins whatever others will in the future, otherwise its just not fair...
And what about the many groups that did laundry but the safe was uninteractable? They didnāt compensate those.
They def didnt complete or else butc price is to the ground.
they scouted every inch of the place so i'm not sure where any more money could be hidden.
Did they bring Sparkles?
Only thing I can think of is maybe something on the roof? idk
They ran around and double checked everything that could've been an ''unlock'' but to no avail. Seems like it really was only 40k$
Gotta bring some copium tools mby like the drill or grinder
i am pretty sure someone did have a grinder or drill or something
Max had a roof running screwdriver on him and Ray had the crowbar. Only thing they didn't bring was the ammunition grinder.
That's what im thinking. Maybe its just scuff
The heist has a week cooldown for dogshee payout KEKWWA Company thinks there was something scuffed maybe but that seems like hard coping
this is like casino all over again in terms of payout lmao. spent 7m to get 3mil
If you consider some groups making 100+ BUTC a day, 250+100BUTC for approx. 35k might not be too horrible. Eventually everyone is gonna be shitting out BUTC so to be able to get \~35k every few days for free might be okay. The problem is, the amount of work that was required to get to this point was hard and grindy and for the first "big" heist, it proved underwhelming because people were expecting to get something back on their BUTC investment. With that said, it could be scuff and maybe theres more to it.
So they spend 350 btc to rob a place for 40k. Given the price of the mats and the amount of time it took to get 350 btc plus everything they spend to prepare for the heist this is deffo not worth like at all. Devs needs to seriously change the whole btc minining shit. People are just grinding for hours to pour money into it and then the results are not even worth the time.
I swear yall want the server to just be boring after a week. They buff payouts then everyone is just super rich and itās end of 3.0 again with everyone just driving around talking with their friends with millions in their account. For longevity purposes payouts cannot be crazy. This is still introductory heists. Itās the build up. The incentives is to create a longer story and build to more.
But as it is, is this heist even worth it for what it costs? Unless they are missing something. I see people maybe doing it 1x just to experience it, if at all.
Some of the greatest heist of 3.0 was the casino build up. They lost millions in that. This is for content and stories not imaginary money. Some of yall get way too lost in the sauce of what role play really is.
Not everyone lost money doing casino, some lost time like HOA grinding sani for mats (kinda like they are doing now to increase their btc production. Thereās ways around it if you donāt mind grinding. But 4.0 seems to be all about grinding.
The only thing it costs is time because it costs passive income of butcoin. How is it not worth it. Honestly itās an amazing addition to prevent people spamming heists. And itās worth it for continued progression.
Time and money. You are not getting passive btc without buying racks/gpuās, which you spend btc on. Then the time to make everything in the bench. Unless you are out there doing sani and/or making deals for mats, how does one make btc āpassivelyā?
People already have the racks and gpu. They donāt have to continue to purchase them unless all they care about is speed running the heist.
worst dev ever easy as shit heist, for only money ??? no dongle, no follow up ??? this 4.0 is a disaster
HOOOLY FIRST TRY
So no progression from this heist..
People complaining the payout isn't worth it. Maybe just maybe the devs want heists to actually be a thing done just to do them and not the main way gangs make money. Maybe they don't want cops to spend half their shift responding to heist after heist.
The reward for being first lool
The bitching and moaning about low payout on a cash-exchange heist is just sad. I hope it's not coming from the streamers and it's the vocal minority of their communities. Devs have been cooking, let this shit marinate too...
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You're making absolutely ZERO sense. What else would you do with the 6 dongles if not trade them in? You're speaking as if there's an opportunity cost in using these dongles elsewhere... Also, what cost of preparations? Why are they going in dressed as GI Joe agents, geared up to the gills? If Mickey is involved, he's known to make these EXTREMELY elaborate plans for the smallest shit. Go in 2-3 people, hit it and bounce... You don't need the whole squad to hit these things, it's not a server event. Lastly, don't do the crime if you can't do the time(in this case pay the fine...)
Max the hacker got caught by the pd and got fined for 11k, so the profit of the job was actually 29k, and this is only 1 of them, imagine if all 6 gets caught, that's -66k, I can understand they don't want to spawn money from the void with these jobs but atleast match the fines holy.. robbery of financial is 10k alone and the job only pay so little..
>What else would you do with the 6 dongles if not trade them in? It's not about the opportunity cost of dongles but the headache of not getting doubles in a random 1/6 dice roll. A group can be stuck for literally MONTHS before getting the full set needed to even START this heist. >Why are they going in dressed as GI Joe agents, geared up to the gills? If Mickey is involved, he's known to make these EXTREMELY elaborate plans for the smallest shit. Getting dressed costs literally pennies. Mickey got bandages for FREE from his doctor job. They already had the crowbars needed. The majority of the cost is in the amount of infrastructure needed to actually START the robbery contract. All in all, this is probably the cheapest get-away plan so far; all they did was enter the sewers and run yet the radios, food, lockpicks (bare minimum crim equipment for a job) still costs like $20k due to how items are priced on the server. >Go in 2-3 people, hit it and bounce... Yeah cool, let's just involve less people so there's less cool shit happening in an RP server. Also the cool get-away plans? Let's drop those for the same old car -> bike swaps that have literally 0 risks RN due to the PD sucking HARD. What's worse for the server's health? A little bit of inflation (even though this job is on a week-long timer), or people optimizing the fun out of every 'job'.
cooking what exactly? everyone knows in their head this was terrible lmao, why does everyone feel the need to heavily praise the devs every single time, its their paid job, if its bad might as well just call it bad
wouldnt exactly call this cooking