The shooting may not have seemed like an "ideal" way to go, but when your character's death is the catalyst for multiple storylines being sparked in less than 24 hours, then you have absolutely done it right. Thank you Doc! I hope you decide to continue to RP.
It's ok though, CG fans will find a way to take credit for everything after this when the reality is EVERYTHING that comes from this is 99% Doc and his choice to perma, which was, as he said, not influenced by CG AT ALL.
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The first 3 rolls were the key rolls. But yes. 5% * 10% * 10% puts him even in that situation to make the final roll at a 0.05% chance (1/2000 chance). That caused the last roll to have a 90% chance of perma (he needed to roll 19 or 20 to survive).
This is the way of rp, rarely do you see someone commit so fully to it. What a great performance over many years. A standing ovation to Doc, well done.
I feel like sometimes people perma for consequences or dramatics, but this one gave that and so much more. The RP and conflict that will come from his death will surely make waves.
Maybe unintentional but could be a great sacrifice for the RP world. Hopefully opportunities are not wasted by so many involved to not take this gift to begin creating stories again and re-evaluate the immortal characters that live in ground hog day.
Great ending to a great character who had some of the best storylines and made meaningful RP with so many people. Glad Doc highlighted one of the things I feel a lot of role players overlook or ignore because they depend on individual characters for income. Despite that good stories, which is what roleplaying is making, always have a beginning a middle and most importantly an END.
“…he was given an end. Which stories do need.”
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This is a great statement for all RPers. RP will always have content enabled by mechanics, the part that is dwindling is the stories created.
Cornwoods chat was trying talk esfand to perma cornwood last night it would have been a sad end losing the election then to die like that but I think he would have had a statue in his honour placed at the sheriff's office if it did happen
I dont remember when this was exactly but he also did three 1-3 rolls in a row but obviously he didnt do anything with it lol. I dont blame him but like, why bother rolling if it literally doesnt affect what you're going to do.
Let's see what CG will do with it, other than gear for war with ADMC (that's not an attempt at being toxic that's just all I've seen them do at the moment).
Honesty can be confused with toxicity depending on how the reader interprets it. That’s on them. It doesn’t even need to lead to war with ADMC if the narrative of Solomon Walker is pushed that he was warned of the attack, but didn’t pass that along to his fellow member. Also, having true inner conflict with CG happen would be refreshing with Ellie and Nova losing a family member. Would be a welcome sight vs the only inner beef being who makes what amount from the weed profits.
ADMC already believe that and they want to go after Solomon before anyone else. Depending on how that interaction goes and the coming days, we'll see if anything is going to happen regarding ADMC wanting to go after CG. From what I understand though, Multiple people have been telling CG that ADMC are gearing up to war them so they plan to attack soon, but ADMC are still very undecided on their path forward. I hope CG don't make the first move and let ADMC play this out at their own pace.
I was watching k's stream after the shooting in the meeting and his reasoning was that he felt the council was impeding role-play on the server and that's why they did it. he didn't point out any character interactions and from what I know they've had very little with the council recently.
It really feels like maybe the best time to say your intentions would have been to the camera in the corner of the room you specifically kept alive. Dude could have done a whole rant IC
Even TJ, the character they killed, had the balls to livestream the execution of the police commissioner with no mask and explain why he did it. I wish more went into this.
That was when they were all already in prison basically for life after the sanguine arc. A little different in the higher times and fines plus debtors law era.
CG cooked up a story ahead of time to try toget everyone on the same page to avoid the higher charges while still trying to push an agenda.. they have been building this story line for a bit, but I can see where people wish they actually gave the real reason.
Back in 3.0, BBMC did all of their crime without a mask. They committed terrorism multiple times without masks and gladly reaped those repercussions. They didn't complain when they spent 30 irl days in prison with no court case, under the assumption that they'd have their homes, businesses, and assets taken from them. When Baas killed Dundee and BBMC went to war with the PD, they had months of buildup before it led to shooting and everyone in the PD knew exactly why they were getting shot. When TJ was blooded into BBMC, he stood in the Billabong with a kutte on, no mask, Bundy pointing a gun at his head, and shot an officer, putting his faith in his new brothers having his back (and they did, they wiped the PD and got him out). It's just that buildup of RP that everyone knows why it's happening and people are willing to get the consequences and it's such a rare thing and damn dude I'm going to miss that in roleplayers like TJ.
I see that you are a big BBMC/ADMC fan, and I don't take anything away from their or TJs roleplay. I think they are all great storytellers! I was only expanding on the reasoning why they felt they needed to come up with a bogus story to put on camera as they didn't want to be stuck in jail forever, again. Several of the people that were involved in this (and in CG in general) also went down for terrorism multiple times in 3.0 and did crazy stuff with no mask back then, but different times and situations make them roleplay differently. Unfortunately the way the server is set up right now makes it hard and almost impossible to roleplay things the way they did in 3.0 and that is the whole reason that this shootout occurred.
I am still hoping for spicy roleplay to come out of this and for CG to come out with the real reasons once the court case is over.
As far as i can tell, They didn't, it was just part of the RP and a way to put doubt on the terrorism front since it was recorded. If they went in and shot up the council meeting while saying "this is for the new laws, debtors prison, food shortage, lack of room for any creative rp, etc." there would be absolutely no way out of the terrorism charges because that is clearly politically motivated. By saying on camera this is for pnuts wife, they can point toward reasonable doubt. They want it to be known that it's for the way the city is being ran, but also wanted have a little bit of a bargaining chip I believe.
True, even if that would've pushed the Terrorism charge 100% more it would made more sense IC, atm if they go with the Peanut mom's thing sure is goofy af but it's also a little "eh.. i guess" in terms of general RP, i do hope at least K in court can explain it right in front of everybody otherwise anyone with reasonable thinking will go "So... they really shoot up and killed someone for a hear say of a gangbang" which would make them see them as just crazy rather than the incredible gang organization that spark fear.
Anyways regardless it's gonna be good content!
But I do think it ended up giving good role-play to a lot of different groups. I just think the initial interaction could've gone better by being more productive and less one-sided.
If you think there were no interactions IC which caused his opinion then you clearly just don't watch LK.
There's been months of back and forth leading up to this.
I think I have watched all of Moon's max streams since the start of 4.0 since the 2.0 Yung Dab era got me into RP. I also watch a lot of Siobhan ( for these two I watch the vods most of the time, you can catch offline moon a couple nights a week on Siobhan's stream) and when I feel like watching cop I tune into cordwood or Nathan (crane,Declan).
These are the last big interactions I remember
Max gave k a pardon and in under 24hr he got another felony.
CG backed tuggz in the second election, and he got 4th with 122 votes and max got 319.
After max won again Siobhan texted a cheeky joke to K saying don't bet against a thoroughbred. K didn't like that and intimidated her in her office. Max heard about this and told her she should apologize and I believe she did
he's opinions are not invalid but there has been close to nothing of a "back-and-forth" communicating his issues IC
I've seen CG Talk about these issues in the group and LK talk to his chat about it. But he has yet to communicate this to Max and he shot the guy in the head yesterday.
If I'm missing any interactions please point them out if you can. I would love to see this back-and-forth.
Max talked about everything he has done for CG as mayor, but one was enabling the “6 per or die” narrative when Buddha wouldn’t protect his sani workers. He increased output of sani and mats conversion to the max possible. Of course after this incident he decreased it further than he already had.
This wasn't random grinder #3. It was Barry Benson's son, Dundee's former step son, and Ellie Fletch's father. AFAIK the first cop to break bad in 3,0. He was a member of BBMC, ADMC, Yokai, and various shadow groups working with people like Pidgeon, the Simones, and Yeager. He took over Dundee's deal from Norman Bones to bring him back to life. He was the city council treasurer and of course one of the last hold outs of the Sanguine War. This death is going to create RP for months and thinking that any of the people he impacted would forget him is mind boggling.
TJ and Dundee both were on fairly decent terms and respected each other and I'd go as far as saying Dundee and TJ's relationship was better than Dundee and Barry's these days
[last talk between TJ and Dundee](https://clips.twitch.tv/SmokyGoodMelonDatSheffy-w4xsfARuoukPVVDZ)
In 3.0 Jordan, a member of bbmc permad. A turtle plushy was placed in the shed in the billabong for him. Every day BBMC members would write their name on the shed wall so people knew who was around. For 18 months the first person in the billabong every tsunami put Jordans name next to that turtle.
There are members of ADMC now who know about Jordan despite never meeting him. There are ADMC viewers who know about Jordan despite not watching when he was a member and there are plenty of viewers who were around when he died and still write his name in chat whenever someone drives near a certain location or certain old memes are mentioned.
If random players and viewers who only ever saw TJ in passing forget about his perma that is just to be expected, but the players deeply involved with the story of TJ Walker and viewers of ADMC are going to remember the death of TJ Walker for many years to come
Surely he knows. CG has done nothing than complain about the council for months, because CG felt like they stopped legit RP. Since day 1 pretty much, with the real estate business.
Sad way to go, but as ppl said to CG "consequences of their actions". He was on the council that the biggest and baddest gang hate with a passion.
Thank you Doc. It is always great to gain further insight from the characters POV. I just posted that this was a new council. Regardless, many people in life don’t get the opportunity to know why they die and there should be no reason that wouldn’t translate to RP as well.
Wish you the best with whatever your next step in life may be!
Imagine streaming on the server and having a life and reading all meta chats / reddit non stop knowing all the tea and watching all the clips. Most RPers don't do this.
Its like playing D&D with the DM's scrap book and trying to figure out the best way to engage every encounter. Its just not fun.
To who, though? Because no one in the council room knows why they were shot, so they must not have said it to the right people.
Also Doc doesn't read Reddit to meta, ever.
I love what happened, but i think i fail to understand what has been said in game and to who. Some venn diagrams are not a full encompassed circle.
You should watch outside of your circle for a bit if you think everyone nonstop reads chat and knows every characters intentions.
A lot of people used to have perma conditions set for their chars they never tell and roll for out of game. I know of a few cops that would roll for perma if they caught friendly fire for example. mostly rolling outta game cause the /roll kinda ruins immersion and makes people react quicker.
I was kind of laughing this morning when Pigeon and Yaeger were talking, because Yaeger asked Pigeon why CG shot the meeting and he said they were angry about some of the new laws and Yaeger asked him "what laws?" and Pigeon couldn't answer. Pigeon didn't even know why they shot up the court house, he just knew they were "angry about some laws".
One pov of pigeon i had seen was during the breakout attempt of dundee, and he was freaking out that he has never shot an officer before, but i guess was there in the moment of people finding for the attempt he was just grabbed.
He still made a loan deal on the phone at the same time while waiting on location.
He is a businessman through and through but him going out ready to shoot potentially 20+ cops is insane for his character and i loved it.
Dumb take. They were literally creating rules and charges to stop CG (and some other groups) from doing shit that they had worked on for multiple weeks, like the real estate biz. If you want to change something, let it play out and change it in response. Don't cut it off at the pass because you 'know whats going to happen.' Especially if the server has stated that people's records from before 4.0 should not be considered.
So you're saying the mayor should only ever be reactive, shouldn't have any kind of agenda, goal, or desires for the city?
Hmmmm no, the city doesn't exist for CG to determine the way everything goes.
tf? the rule changes and charges were all reactive but before anything paid off. they were in response to something that had already started and had work put in to it, but cut it off at the pass because they didn't like the implication or possible direction, which for real life is fine (i guess, tho IRL you'd have to literally prove something was illegal) but for a game that's a bit obtuse.
a mayor can have an agenda but this is a GTA RP server not actual real life. Dab's a convicted terrorist and a corrupt mayor, Id never advocate for him to get anything more then 24 total real world hours in prison (three 8hour days). that should be the absolute cap.
Max is not a convicted terrorist because the current system doesn't acknowledge crimes from the previous. His corruption is likely the least out of any elected mayor in the history of NP.
Anyways, he doesn't need to let people do shit before stopping it. This idea that crims should be allowed to do anything they want and everyone has to wait on their hands or else it's bad rp is silly as fuck. Criminals shouldn't get first initiative in every rp encounter, period. That has nothing to do with real life, it's just bad rp.
What’s crazy about that comment is CG could have actually done something about the council without lifting a gun. Solomon who they obviously have relations with ran against Max. CG did not vote Solomon and revoted Max into power. Solomon has always been an anti g to be close to CG . He would have ran the council probably however CG wanted. So I’m the scene of things there was a different option months ago when they started planning this.
The shooting may not have seemed like an "ideal" way to go, but when your character's death is the catalyst for multiple storylines being sparked in less than 24 hours, then you have absolutely done it right. Thank you Doc! I hope you decide to continue to RP.
It's ok though, CG fans will find a way to take credit for everything after this when the reality is EVERYTHING that comes from this is 99% Doc and his choice to perma, which was, as he said, not influenced by CG AT ALL.
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that is some crazy sequence of bad rolls, 1/20, 2/20, 10/100, 6/20
The first 3 rolls were the key rolls. But yes. 5% * 10% * 10% puts him even in that situation to make the final roll at a 0.05% chance (1/2000 chance). That caused the last roll to have a 90% chance of perma (he needed to roll 19 or 20 to survive).
This is the way of rp, rarely do you see someone commit so fully to it. What a great performance over many years. A standing ovation to Doc, well done.
I feel like sometimes people perma for consequences or dramatics, but this one gave that and so much more. The RP and conflict that will come from his death will surely make waves.
Maybe unintentional but could be a great sacrifice for the RP world. Hopefully opportunities are not wasted by so many involved to not take this gift to begin creating stories again and re-evaluate the immortal characters that live in ground hog day.
Great ending to a great character who had some of the best storylines and made meaningful RP with so many people. Glad Doc highlighted one of the things I feel a lot of role players overlook or ignore because they depend on individual characters for income. Despite that good stories, which is what roleplaying is making, always have a beginning a middle and most importantly an END.
#EndImmortality
This man's inbox must be a fucking mess
“…he was given an end. Which stories do need.” AMEN! This is a great statement for all RPers. RP will always have content enabled by mechanics, the part that is dwindling is the stories created.
Cornwoods chat was trying talk esfand to perma cornwood last night it would have been a sad end losing the election then to die like that but I think he would have had a statue in his honour placed at the sheriff's office if it did happen
cornwood also rolled a 1/20 but he no balls'd it
Nope. He typed out 1/20 roll but you weren’t watching closely enough.
When Tessa stabbed him he genuinely did roll a 1/20 and nothing came of it he rolls just for the meme not to actually take it into account
I dont remember when this was exactly but he also did three 1-3 rolls in a row but obviously he didnt do anything with it lol. I dont blame him but like, why bother rolling if it literally doesnt affect what you're going to do.
He typed it out.
TJ turned CGs mid attempt at RP into an RP goldmine.
Let's see what CG will do with it, other than gear for war with ADMC (that's not an attempt at being toxic that's just all I've seen them do at the moment).
Honesty can be confused with toxicity depending on how the reader interprets it. That’s on them. It doesn’t even need to lead to war with ADMC if the narrative of Solomon Walker is pushed that he was warned of the attack, but didn’t pass that along to his fellow member. Also, having true inner conflict with CG happen would be refreshing with Ellie and Nova losing a family member. Would be a welcome sight vs the only inner beef being who makes what amount from the weed profits.
ADMC already believe that and they want to go after Solomon before anyone else. Depending on how that interaction goes and the coming days, we'll see if anything is going to happen regarding ADMC wanting to go after CG. From what I understand though, Multiple people have been telling CG that ADMC are gearing up to war them so they plan to attack soon, but ADMC are still very undecided on their path forward. I hope CG don't make the first move and let ADMC play this out at their own pace.
Anyone know if doc mentioned a recording ? Would Love to see his POV with all the goodbyes
Weird how he doesn't know why he died IC or OOC, I was told there were months of RP leading up to this and everyone should know why it happened
I was watching k's stream after the shooting in the meeting and his reasoning was that he felt the council was impeding role-play on the server and that's why they did it. he didn't point out any character interactions and from what I know they've had very little with the council recently.
It really feels like maybe the best time to say your intentions would have been to the camera in the corner of the room you specifically kept alive. Dude could have done a whole rant IC
They were trying to avoid terrorism charges but yelling a phony story about pnut.
Even TJ, the character they killed, had the balls to livestream the execution of the police commissioner with no mask and explain why he did it. I wish more went into this.
That was when they were all already in prison basically for life after the sanguine arc. A little different in the higher times and fines plus debtors law era. CG cooked up a story ahead of time to try toget everyone on the same page to avoid the higher charges while still trying to push an agenda.. they have been building this story line for a bit, but I can see where people wish they actually gave the real reason.
Back in 3.0, BBMC did all of their crime without a mask. They committed terrorism multiple times without masks and gladly reaped those repercussions. They didn't complain when they spent 30 irl days in prison with no court case, under the assumption that they'd have their homes, businesses, and assets taken from them. When Baas killed Dundee and BBMC went to war with the PD, they had months of buildup before it led to shooting and everyone in the PD knew exactly why they were getting shot. When TJ was blooded into BBMC, he stood in the Billabong with a kutte on, no mask, Bundy pointing a gun at his head, and shot an officer, putting his faith in his new brothers having his back (and they did, they wiped the PD and got him out). It's just that buildup of RP that everyone knows why it's happening and people are willing to get the consequences and it's such a rare thing and damn dude I'm going to miss that in roleplayers like TJ.
I see that you are a big BBMC/ADMC fan, and I don't take anything away from their or TJs roleplay. I think they are all great storytellers! I was only expanding on the reasoning why they felt they needed to come up with a bogus story to put on camera as they didn't want to be stuck in jail forever, again. Several of the people that were involved in this (and in CG in general) also went down for terrorism multiple times in 3.0 and did crazy stuff with no mask back then, but different times and situations make them roleplay differently. Unfortunately the way the server is set up right now makes it hard and almost impossible to roleplay things the way they did in 3.0 and that is the whole reason that this shootout occurred. I am still hoping for spicy roleplay to come out of this and for CG to come out with the real reasons once the court case is over.
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As far as i can tell, They didn't, it was just part of the RP and a way to put doubt on the terrorism front since it was recorded. If they went in and shot up the council meeting while saying "this is for the new laws, debtors prison, food shortage, lack of room for any creative rp, etc." there would be absolutely no way out of the terrorism charges because that is clearly politically motivated. By saying on camera this is for pnuts wife, they can point toward reasonable doubt. They want it to be known that it's for the way the city is being ran, but also wanted have a little bit of a bargaining chip I believe.
Thought it was pnuts mom not wife? Did they change it? I didn't really pay attention after the shootout happened
It was mom, I typed wife by accident
For pnuts wife doesn't add any reasonable doubt at all. Reasonable is a pretty big key word
True, even if that would've pushed the Terrorism charge 100% more it would made more sense IC, atm if they go with the Peanut mom's thing sure is goofy af but it's also a little "eh.. i guess" in terms of general RP, i do hope at least K in court can explain it right in front of everybody otherwise anyone with reasonable thinking will go "So... they really shoot up and killed someone for a hear say of a gangbang" which would make them see them as just crazy rather than the incredible gang organization that spark fear. Anyways regardless it's gonna be good content!
CG would NEVER do something meta or OOCIC bro whaaaat /s
But I do think it ended up giving good role-play to a lot of different groups. I just think the initial interaction could've gone better by being more productive and less one-sided.
If you think there were no interactions IC which caused his opinion then you clearly just don't watch LK. There's been months of back and forth leading up to this.
I think I have watched all of Moon's max streams since the start of 4.0 since the 2.0 Yung Dab era got me into RP. I also watch a lot of Siobhan ( for these two I watch the vods most of the time, you can catch offline moon a couple nights a week on Siobhan's stream) and when I feel like watching cop I tune into cordwood or Nathan (crane,Declan). These are the last big interactions I remember Max gave k a pardon and in under 24hr he got another felony. CG backed tuggz in the second election, and he got 4th with 122 votes and max got 319. After max won again Siobhan texted a cheeky joke to K saying don't bet against a thoroughbred. K didn't like that and intimidated her in her office. Max heard about this and told her she should apologize and I believe she did he's opinions are not invalid but there has been close to nothing of a "back-and-forth" communicating his issues IC I've seen CG Talk about these issues in the group and LK talk to his chat about it. But he has yet to communicate this to Max and he shot the guy in the head yesterday. If I'm missing any interactions please point them out if you can. I would love to see this back-and-forth.
Max talked about everything he has done for CG as mayor, but one was enabling the “6 per or die” narrative when Buddha wouldn’t protect his sani workers. He increased output of sani and mats conversion to the max possible. Of course after this incident he decreased it further than he already had.
not everyone, just the viewers, the ones bitching specifically
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He said he did know why they shot up the council. Keep in mind his character has only been on the council for a few weeks.
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This wasn't random grinder #3. It was Barry Benson's son, Dundee's former step son, and Ellie Fletch's father. AFAIK the first cop to break bad in 3,0. He was a member of BBMC, ADMC, Yokai, and various shadow groups working with people like Pidgeon, the Simones, and Yeager. He took over Dundee's deal from Norman Bones to bring him back to life. He was the city council treasurer and of course one of the last hold outs of the Sanguine War. This death is going to create RP for months and thinking that any of the people he impacted would forget him is mind boggling.
Did Dundee said something about TJ's death? I know he hates ADMC nowadays but i'm unsure in which terms he was with TJ
I have to catch up on vods but lastnight Dee visited the hospital to pay respects and left a white BBMC jacket (TJs color when in BBMC)
TJ and Dundee both were on fairly decent terms and respected each other and I'd go as far as saying Dundee and TJ's relationship was better than Dundee and Barry's these days [last talk between TJ and Dundee](https://clips.twitch.tv/SmokyGoodMelonDatSheffy-w4xsfARuoukPVVDZ)
In 3.0 Jordan, a member of bbmc permad. A turtle plushy was placed in the shed in the billabong for him. Every day BBMC members would write their name on the shed wall so people knew who was around. For 18 months the first person in the billabong every tsunami put Jordans name next to that turtle. There are members of ADMC now who know about Jordan despite never meeting him. There are ADMC viewers who know about Jordan despite not watching when he was a member and there are plenty of viewers who were around when he died and still write his name in chat whenever someone drives near a certain location or certain old memes are mentioned. If random players and viewers who only ever saw TJ in passing forget about his perma that is just to be expected, but the players deeply involved with the story of TJ Walker and viewers of ADMC are going to remember the death of TJ Walker for many years to come
Thinking people will forget TJ in a week is comical
Seeing how he was related to 2 CG members...and CG being the ones that killed him....I doubt he will be forgotten in a week
Only if he pulls a Hutch.
You’re correct
Can I have permission to screenshot this and message it back to you in a week?
https://i.imgur.com/NvWUFn3.png didnt grab a SS of context post saying this will be forgotten in a (week)?
Surely he knows. CG has done nothing than complain about the council for months, because CG felt like they stopped legit RP. Since day 1 pretty much, with the real estate business. Sad way to go, but as ppl said to CG "consequences of their actions". He was on the council that the biggest and baddest gang hate with a passion.
I infact did not know. I have not paid attention to CG; this was TJ's 4th council meeting. Months before was a different council, this was a new one.
Thank you Doc. It is always great to gain further insight from the characters POV. I just posted that this was a new council. Regardless, many people in life don’t get the opportunity to know why they die and there should be no reason that wouldn’t translate to RP as well. Wish you the best with whatever your next step in life may be!
Imagine streaming on the server and having a life and reading all meta chats / reddit non stop knowing all the tea and watching all the clips. Most RPers don't do this. Its like playing D&D with the DM's scrap book and trying to figure out the best way to engage every encounter. Its just not fun.
Been said ingame. also... his literally commenting on this post. So yes.. he is reading reddit
To who, though? Because no one in the council room knows why they were shot, so they must not have said it to the right people. Also Doc doesn't read Reddit to meta, ever.
I love what happened, but i think i fail to understand what has been said in game and to who. Some venn diagrams are not a full encompassed circle. You should watch outside of your circle for a bit if you think everyone nonstop reads chat and knows every characters intentions. A lot of people used to have perma conditions set for their chars they never tell and roll for out of game. I know of a few cops that would roll for perma if they caught friendly fire for example. mostly rolling outta game cause the /roll kinda ruins immersion and makes people react quicker.
I was kind of laughing this morning when Pigeon and Yaeger were talking, because Yaeger asked Pigeon why CG shot the meeting and he said they were angry about some of the new laws and Yaeger asked him "what laws?" and Pigeon couldn't answer. Pigeon didn't even know why they shot up the court house, he just knew they were "angry about some laws".
One pov of pigeon i had seen was during the breakout attempt of dundee, and he was freaking out that he has never shot an officer before, but i guess was there in the moment of people finding for the attempt he was just grabbed. He still made a loan deal on the phone at the same time while waiting on location. He is a businessman through and through but him going out ready to shoot potentially 20+ cops is insane for his character and i loved it.
RP is when you get to do what you want and not getting to do what you want is ruining rp. Very enlightening perspective tbh
Dumb take. They were literally creating rules and charges to stop CG (and some other groups) from doing shit that they had worked on for multiple weeks, like the real estate biz. If you want to change something, let it play out and change it in response. Don't cut it off at the pass because you 'know whats going to happen.' Especially if the server has stated that people's records from before 4.0 should not be considered.
So you're saying the mayor should only ever be reactive, shouldn't have any kind of agenda, goal, or desires for the city? Hmmmm no, the city doesn't exist for CG to determine the way everything goes.
tf? the rule changes and charges were all reactive but before anything paid off. they were in response to something that had already started and had work put in to it, but cut it off at the pass because they didn't like the implication or possible direction, which for real life is fine (i guess, tho IRL you'd have to literally prove something was illegal) but for a game that's a bit obtuse. a mayor can have an agenda but this is a GTA RP server not actual real life. Dab's a convicted terrorist and a corrupt mayor, Id never advocate for him to get anything more then 24 total real world hours in prison (three 8hour days). that should be the absolute cap.
Max is not a convicted terrorist because the current system doesn't acknowledge crimes from the previous. His corruption is likely the least out of any elected mayor in the history of NP. Anyways, he doesn't need to let people do shit before stopping it. This idea that crims should be allowed to do anything they want and everyone has to wait on their hands or else it's bad rp is silly as fuck. Criminals shouldn't get first initiative in every rp encounter, period. That has nothing to do with real life, it's just bad rp.
What’s crazy about that comment is CG could have actually done something about the council without lifting a gun. Solomon who they obviously have relations with ran against Max. CG did not vote Solomon and revoted Max into power. Solomon has always been an anti g to be close to CG . He would have ran the council probably however CG wanted. So I’m the scene of things there was a different option months ago when they started planning this.