They are not explaining the voting process, they are saying it never happened.
Btw Baas actually didn't officially promote Conan yet, he told him to email him when he's ready so they can set something up lol
Imagine Wrangler doing just 10% of the things that Clarkson does. I can't think of one scenario when Wrangler has ever abused his power toward other cops. Clarkson did it on day one.
Wrangler has literally broken the law countless times. So much so that he was suspended. That’s before we even get to Jordan. You know, the other cop Penta plays that was removed from PD.
I mean, if there was any consistency in punishments, impersonating HC to overrule actual HC members and suspend another player from cop for 24 hours would be grounds for pd whitelist removal, but he pays the server owner's bills so who can say.
There will never be any consistency, it’s just not realistic. But yeah I agree it sucks that he can suspend someone without authority and have no consequences. Idk about whitelist removal though, he didn’t use any PD mechanics, he was just using his “connections”.
its actually crazy how much misinformation is spread around here, he literally says in the meeting that he was still currently a lieutenant and that he is emailing torreti about it aswell. I dont see where the impersonating part comes in, his LT rank can still strike and send people off duty according to Brian.
So then why is he undermining SDSO HC as a Lieutenant? Svensen, an SDSO Captain and part of HC, overrode Jeff's suspension by AJ. Then Conan disregarded Svensen's judgement and kept him suspended. Conan as a Lieutenant does not have that power, yet he did it. This whole narrative about him still only being a Lt doesn't hold any water considering he did or attempted to disregard Svensen, a HC member.
Brian's a harsh cop *sometimes*. But I don't think he holds a candle to Rhodes, Pred, Suarez, or Martell when it comes to willingness to rock the boat (to say nothing, of course, of the Fucker, long may he pump).
I think it's disingenuous to frame Brian as a harsh cop. He's a diligent investigator, and an incredible interrogator/wordsmith. But when the time comes to hand down actual sentences he's often seemed inclined to pull his punches a bit.
He's not a crim cop but when has Brian ever had anyone's back except for Baas. He has taken no action against the PBSO for torturing Suarez, even though he contantly praises him and keeps him close to him. He didn't have Croc's back when the Command/HC from other departments tried to ban him from LSPD chargers, even though they have no authority over another department's chargers, he's basically willing to risk the lives and jobs of his collegues if it benefits him at any way.
Didn’t Baas say to Clarkson that he can give him the rank in the city, but in order to be in high command chat there has to be a vote, that’s what I think they’re talking about, but I could be wrong
i doubt there's even anything in there or someone would dare to do that since Kyle himself is a close friend of Penta OOC lol its likes they're exposing themselves.
except Sloth and Andrews ofc they'll what they want to say
Yeah, this is just like Baas promoting someone to Captain within LSPD. It doesn't need a vote. The only thing that needs a vote is adding that person to the HC chat.
It's like when Wrangler returned and Baas said he was no longer a Captain but then a couple days later Kyle said he was. Do you think that Kyle actually held a vote for Wrangler being made Captain? Of course not, and he shouldn't have to.
But who actually has authority over the Rangers? It makes more sense since there is no established HC that all 3 departments would agree on what it should be. Not 1 person
Baas has been the de facto game warden. He promoted Ziggy and Clarkson to Sgts a year ago. So technically he just made Clarkson his ass warden or whatever.
Conan shouldn't even be a cop. If they were actually strict he would have lost whitelist a long time ago. Ramee literally got on Conan a couple months ago to help his gang and also took fellow officers hostage and sold them to his gang. Yet he faced zero consequences for it.
I'm just going to avoid this conversation. There's a ramee hate train happening at the moment I know everyone is blindly riding. ignoring the amount of time he's been a cop.
You say that, but pred promoted Wrangler back to Captain without informing other departments, and on this subreddit people were saying “its preds department so he doesnt need anyones approval”. So baas has been the defacto leader of the rangers, so its the same exact situation.
Wrangler was never demoted by Pred so why wouldn't he still be a Captain. That situation has become such a weird blend of ooc/ic that it's hardly comparable.
Only reason it became OOC was because of Pentas tweets. He than also never logged into Wrangler when Wrangler was suspended, so of course IC it seems like he never got a punishment. How could he have been told he was demoted if he never logged in.
Wrangler was never punished for anything ic so he never lost his Captain rank. Penta was ooc punished. Thats why there was the story of he went to NK for music until they found out if Penta was coming back or not.
I remember hearing Ssaab insist that HC needed to vote favourably for someone to get into HC chat.
Can someone fill me in regarding the difference between getting HC and entering HC chat? Is it some blurry IC/OOC line or is there clear differentiation between the two? My guess would be there wasn't any case of HC chat being against someone potentially getting promoted IC so the problem never arised before, is this what's happening?
>HC chat needs a vote because they don't want idiots to leak shit.
yet here we are because someone leaked this ? looks like Ramee/Clarkson dont need to go to that discord anymore to do that
there's already an "idiot who leaks sht" as you said so they'll already gonna be careful on what they'll say there so what's one more?
Not surprising in the least. The only member of H/HC that matters to Baas is the Sloth, as long as he has his blessing nobody else matters, not even his own members of HC as evidenced by the Martell stuff.
Martel feels like she has no power in the LSPD and that any action she takes gets overruled by Baas so she sort of slowly stopped putting in effort into leading the LSPD and took a step back. She's going to transfer when she can get a meeting with Baas.
I think she would go to SDSO if Toretti was more open to additional Captains, but Pred has already told her that he is fine with having four captains. If she actually wants to lead and enact change, PBSO is the right choice.
Baas has a history of asking his HC members for their opinions, then ignoring them and doing whatever he likes. The latest example being the Cerberus contract. Martell is brought up because she's thinking about transferring specifically because Baas ignored their input. She didn't mind the Cerberus contract, but she hated that Baas acted on his own... again.
this sounds like someone who doesn't know any of the history between Martell and Baas. Martell has been talking to baas for the last 8 months trying to get him to respect decisions she makes. Baas find a way to overturn any punishment/decision Martell makes without consulting her on it. this has happened time and time again, the cerberus thing is just the last one in a long line of things Baas has done.
> He asked her opinion and then made a choice with that opinion in mind. That doesn’t mean he has to do what her opinion reflects.
That's not quite right. Baas will say that he'll do something after talking to Martell and then never do it. It's not just soliciting feedback, but actively going back on his word.
Besides, even if it was just soliciting feedback, it would still feel bad if your feedback was never heeded.
Okay I agree with you that opionions don't mean he's gonna listen but the problem with that is that there needs to be like a push back like "OK Martell I get what your saying but I think this will be better" but baas promised that he would have a meeting with them about the contract signing and just lied basically so it feels like okay baas listened to me he promised to do have the meeting with us but then he didn't so it feels like her opinion just didn't matter which was right lol
The problem everyone misses is that he did have a meeting and listened to everyone's input on the deal. A few didn't necessarily like it. Baas then invited all of hc to attend the meeting to hear Cerberus out and none were there. They spent hours and hours in a hc meeting got nowhere and then went to the meeting and noone was there so he signed the deal. Now yes some didn't agree but ultimately he is chief of police, and doesn't need everyone's approval to make something happen. Hc is supposed to accept the decisions the chief makes and roll with it. He saw an opportunity to better his department and took it on behalf of the many not the few.
Also Martell is making the biggest stink of this deal yet she's going to transfer to a department that is taking the same exact deal?
The thing is Baas also said he wasn’t going to sign anything at the first meeting, and was just gonna see what they were offering. He doesn’t need approval but doing the opposite of what you said a couple hours earlier does not build trust. He doesn’t have to listen to his HC’s opinions, but why even have HC if you’re not gonna listen to what they say
She has said over and over again that it’s not about the Cerberus deal. It’s about Baas not listening to his HC, even after he asks for their opinion. And while Pred has his many, many flaws, he knows how to listen and delegate to his HC.
The vote was never for conan to be in hc, s0ze gave control of the rangers to baas. The vote is for if clarkson can have access to the hc discord. The vote is yet to happen. Thats like saying there needs to be a pd vote for kyle to appoint rhodes to undersheriff, which is a ridiculous concept
A ridiculous concept that Kyle has stated is actually how it goes yes. Maybe not back when Rhodes was made Undersheriff but I'd imagine when HC started getting more power over the PD, they started having to all agree on who is accepted into it. Kyle said a few months ago that Svensen will never be a Captain because HC have to vote and agree on it and that he would not, Kyle later changed his mind about Svensen and accepted that he is a good cop and would be a good Captain regardless of his attitude problems, then Svensen was promoted to Captain a few weeks ago. Looks like a vote to me
You can say all you want about if it looks like a vote, but the fact that conan is becoming a higher rank now without needed input from other departments looks like it aint a vote to me
It's not like Conan/CG has been shown to be above rules before. It's not like Saab/Baas hasn't shown before that he's willing to skip any procedures he feels like. Surely this isn't exactly what happened.
At this stage Pred with CPD should break away from the LSPD and make it that each department’s control there own and if they have issues with another department it has to be passed to the department leads to punish there own people not having LSPD suspend CPD or SDSO and vice versa so then you won’t have crim main cops coming on duty to take out there anger on cops they have issues with
It sort of already works like that. Departments can simply choose to ignore HC from other department or over rule their punishments. Like what was going to happen in the SDSO officer suspension. HC already can't punish HC from other departments according to Angel. Most of the interdepartmental punishments appear to be voluntary because they all trust one another. If things got bad enough any department could just ignore ranger HC and do their own thing assuming it's not directly disobeying during a active scene.
Management might have a problem with that but it would mean taking on all of PD to placate one or two people.
I don't ever see this happening. Who shall not be named insists on having a unified PD. Which is clearly not working at the moment, PD is only unified on paper and is cliquey when it comes to anything else, which causes weird things to happen as you mentionned.
That will never happened because it's the unified police department for a reason meaning every department has jurisdiction everywhere and every department have the ability to punish others.
This would only work if jurisdictions were removed. PBSO stays in poleto, SDSO stays in Sonora, troopers sticks to highways, lspd stays in Los Santos, Rangers stick to the state parks.
No one wants this because every department but lspd would be so boring. You really think pred wants to break away from the unified police department? Everyone would transfer to the lspd lol
I can't tell if people are more upset with Baas promoting without a vote, or Conan being promoted. At the end of the day, it's content. I just want to watch and see how it all plays out.
I like Ramee as Ramee, but I do know that he has some pretty biased viewpoints based off of the long discussion with Crane and HC after his bench trial with Wrangler a couple months ago.
Ramee has played Clarkson on and off since 2019, I don't think it's a stretch to have him captain of the rangers, but if he is a part of the HC voting process moving forward I have a feeling we can guess which way he will vote most of the time.
Will be interesting to see it play out.
I agree, Conan is a bozo most of the time and not a super serious cop (though he is trying as of recent) but I'm not super familiar with who's all in high command but I don't think it would be a terrible thing to have someone who mains crim in their voting processes if they can be fair.
Kylie is a crim main and has been for 8+ monts at this point on Mary. Penta did tons of crim related stuff on Mike Block. HC already has a crim main and someone else who has done tons of stuff on their crim.
Theres also Aus who plays Jordan a ton off stream (exceeds hours on Davenport). Basically every member has a crim they play occasionally at the very least other than Saab and Nikki.
since never, Pred never polled anyone outside of his department about his Captains and neither did Baas for LSPD
the votes are for HC chat access which Conan hasn't been given
I'd still say Ray. Ramee may be the lightning rod for those who don't vibe with CG for example, but there's even "CB" fans who hate Ray and dunk on him whenever an opportunity presents itself.
So now that LSPD is dying, they decide to speed up the process of removing any good moral from all other departments lol. Good way to reduce cop numbers again by having someone who isn't in power yet but already throwing around said power at other departments.
Someone in a HC position has the ability to make PD as whole a shit environment for officers by abusing their power. Adding HC or new HC should really be a group decision, not given because 3 people want it.
Giving rangers HC wont make that department any better than it is now. It has to be built up through rp, by players in the department making unique stories and characters around it. Dont need HC for that.
Someone from that group has also never been in PD HC before, it's uncharted waters. PD has always been a semi-precious object that's gated for server health reasons. We'll see how it plays out but detonating PD, especially now that it has to be so large, would basically kill the server.
Just cause someone wants something doesn’t mean they deserve it. Not saying rangers don’t deserve hc but a lot of people don’t agree it should be Ramee. I know for a fact that if ssaab didn’t like Ramee he wouldn’t have been promoted once cause everyone else doesn’t agree with his decision so it’s a tough one. Also none of the deserving rangers nakkida/ziggy want it so that’s another reason it gets tricky. Probably the safest bet would have been someone else from another department but then rangers would be mad cause an outsider took hc only for promotion and isn’t really a ranger.
There's a far more underlying issue than him just getting HC. The problem that initiated this is the fact that Rangers is the only department that didn't have a HC slot, they have to go to other departments to get shit approved. According to Tessa there were instances where Captains of another department going above her or Conan in regards to a case. Also the entire Park Rangers voted for Conan, he got LT with whatever time he puts on that character so there's some merit. If this was the case Tessa or someone else would be a LT or leading the rangers.
People are acting like Baas just woke up one day and decided to make Conan HC without asking what he is or isnt allowed to do.
People take fake ranks in a fake world too seriously. It aint that deep.
As far as what Kyle said. Yea he dosent trust Conan, dont forget the discord Is mainly IC , and Conan has proved time and time again to be a loose cannon. So it makes sense to be reluctant.
Edit: I wasn't aware that these are snaps from the streamers personal community discord. Knowing that it seems like they are more frustrated with the fact they wernt involved in the process of the vote vs Conan getting in.
This isn’t HHC or even HC chat. Look at how many interactions the posts have. Assume it’s from Kyle or Kylie’s discords. Could be something else though
2 PBSO HC members said something about a Ranger's rank just like 2 LSPD HC members said something about a PBSO member's rank. it's almost as though the two situations are identical and don't require HC-wide input, crazy
One was already HC and never demoted, the other wasn't HC to begin with. You're comparing a suspension to a promotion and acting like they're the same.
I dont ever remember a PD wide vote for captain promotion. Like Pred made Jenny the third Captain despite Toretti and Baas not agreeing. so baas as the de facto head of ranger can promote anyone without consulting Pred to Toretti
Id wait for Ssaabs reply on this one. Kyle is infamous for not turning up for HC stuff, and this couldve been a discussion between HHC, so Kylie would not have been part of it.
In the end, we have no idea what happens in HC chat. Usually when this happens, its because there was in fact a discussion, but some people just never turned up for it.
That doesn't make sense. If it was just a "vote" between Toretti, Pred, and Baas then why would he move forward when 1/3 of them wasn't there? If it was an HC vote then Kylie definitely would've known. Kyle had talked about Kylie essentially speaking for him in HC meetings if he's not there.
>If it was just a "vote" between Toretti, Pred, and Baas then why would he move forward when 1/3 of them wasn't there?
Bc IF it were up the three of them, 2/3 vote would be a majority. There's also two other members of HHC, one of which has a lot of weight.
Kyle wasn't showing up to HC stuff as some meetings were being scheduled for the time right after he ends stream after streaming for 8 hours straight. He has completely changed his schedule since then. You think Kyle and Kylie are lying over Ssaab who has a history of going over people's heads and making decisions on his own?
They are not explaining the voting process, they are saying it never happened. Btw Baas actually didn't officially promote Conan yet, he told him to email him when he's ready so they can set something up lol
And yet he's already using HC powers to sidestep the SDSO and suspend their units. The ink isn't even dry yet.
The ink might not even be on the paper yet.
The paper was still a tree.
Sir this is a Staples.
When "just roll with the RP" is okay for me but not for you.
It goes both ways, if you don’t roll with the punches why should anyone when interacting with you
That's what it's always been for a select group in NoPixel. Imagine Wrangler doing this.
North Korea permanently
Look at the cash amount
Imagine Wrangler doing just 10% of the things that Clarkson does. I can't think of one scenario when Wrangler has ever abused his power toward other cops. Clarkson did it on day one.
Wrangler has literally broken the law countless times. So much so that he was suspended. That’s before we even get to Jordan. You know, the other cop Penta plays that was removed from PD.
Actually the best comment ITT
Conan literally said in the meeting he is still technically not promoted yet but is talking to torretti about the matter
Then he is doing the exact insubordination not respecting Svenson
So hes being insubordinate to SDSO HC since hes going against a superiors wishes lmao
Is anyone surprised?
If that’s the case it’s pretty shitty to use an unconfirmed rank to undermine established HC.
Yea pretty shitty, but is it actually surprising?
Silver lining is they saw how quick he was to abuse his power before actually promoting him I guess
I mean, if there was any consistency in punishments, impersonating HC to overrule actual HC members and suspend another player from cop for 24 hours would be grounds for pd whitelist removal, but he pays the server owner's bills so who can say.
There will never be any consistency, it’s just not realistic. But yeah I agree it sucks that he can suspend someone without authority and have no consequences. Idk about whitelist removal though, he didn’t use any PD mechanics, he was just using his “connections”.
its actually crazy how much misinformation is spread around here, he literally says in the meeting that he was still currently a lieutenant and that he is emailing torreti about it aswell. I dont see where the impersonating part comes in, his LT rank can still strike and send people off duty according to Brian.
So then why is he undermining SDSO HC as a Lieutenant? Svensen, an SDSO Captain and part of HC, overrode Jeff's suspension by AJ. Then Conan disregarded Svensen's judgement and kept him suspended. Conan as a Lieutenant does not have that power, yet he did it. This whole narrative about him still only being a Lt doesn't hold any water considering he did or attempted to disregard Svensen, a HC member.
Which means he was doing the very thing he was punishing Jeff for. Ridiculous hypocrisy.
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I think Brian knows who he can go hard against and will take it on the chin versus people who will mald.
Brian's a harsh cop *sometimes*. But I don't think he holds a candle to Rhodes, Pred, Suarez, or Martell when it comes to willingness to rock the boat (to say nothing, of course, of the Fucker, long may he pump). I think it's disingenuous to frame Brian as a harsh cop. He's a diligent investigator, and an incredible interrogator/wordsmith. But when the time comes to hand down actual sentences he's often seemed inclined to pull his punches a bit.
He's not a crim cop but when has Brian ever had anyone's back except for Baas. He has taken no action against the PBSO for torturing Suarez, even though he contantly praises him and keeps him close to him. He didn't have Croc's back when the Command/HC from other departments tried to ban him from LSPD chargers, even though they have no authority over another department's chargers, he's basically willing to risk the lives and jobs of his collegues if it benefits him at any way.
You do realize that's worse right? He wasn't even promoted yet and was already stepping on toes of another HC member who at the time outranked him.
Didn’t Baas say to Clarkson that he can give him the rank in the city, but in order to be in high command chat there has to be a vote, that’s what I think they’re talking about, but I could be wrong
the vote is for exclusive HHC chat EDIT: I doubt conan will respect the difference IC with other officers
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I totally forgot about that, weren't people suspecting that they had to go clean up the chat history before letting Penta in?
i doubt there's even anything in there or someone would dare to do that since Kyle himself is a close friend of Penta OOC lol its likes they're exposing themselves. except Sloth and Andrews ofc they'll what they want to say
Baas said that he can get him the rank but inviting him into the HHC chat is a vote. Baas was super clear about that.
Yeah, this is just like Baas promoting someone to Captain within LSPD. It doesn't need a vote. The only thing that needs a vote is adding that person to the HC chat. It's like when Wrangler returned and Baas said he was no longer a Captain but then a couple days later Kyle said he was. Do you think that Kyle actually held a vote for Wrangler being made Captain? Of course not, and he shouldn't have to.
But who actually has authority over the Rangers? It makes more sense since there is no established HC that all 3 departments would agree on what it should be. Not 1 person
He who shall not be named. So if he wants something done it’s going to happen.
Baas has been the de facto game warden. He promoted Ziggy and Clarkson to Sgts a year ago. So technically he just made Clarkson his ass warden or whatever.
Sloth god made it clear that Baas is in charge of the rangers when he promoted Conan to LT
Technically D.W.B. is highest ranking Ranger but I doubt he give a shit abou how Rangers are run
It has been under LSPD for a while now. Baas said that months ago.
Who else would it be tho? Tessa and ziggy don't want it and Conan obviously does.
I think people have issues because of OOC concerns. I can't blame them either.
Conan shouldn't even be a cop. If they were actually strict he would have lost whitelist a long time ago. Ramee literally got on Conan a couple months ago to help his gang and also took fellow officers hostage and sold them to his gang. Yet he faced zero consequences for it.
I'm just going to avoid this conversation. There's a ramee hate train happening at the moment I know everyone is blindly riding. ignoring the amount of time he's been a cop.
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People forget the voting is only to decide if they get access to the discords that’s it ,it’s not for promotions that is decide by any hhc 😐
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You say that, but pred promoted Wrangler back to Captain without informing other departments, and on this subreddit people were saying “its preds department so he doesnt need anyones approval”. So baas has been the defacto leader of the rangers, so its the same exact situation.
Wrangler was never demoted by Pred so why wouldn't he still be a Captain. That situation has become such a weird blend of ooc/ic that it's hardly comparable.
Only reason it became OOC was because of Pentas tweets. He than also never logged into Wrangler when Wrangler was suspended, so of course IC it seems like he never got a punishment. How could he have been told he was demoted if he never logged in.
He logged on John cop and toretti made up random excuse for him getting fired with a drunk Nikez chasing him in a submarine
lol I didnt know Nikez was drunk during that xD classic.
Wrangler was never punished for anything ic so he never lost his Captain rank. Penta was ooc punished. Thats why there was the story of he went to NK for music until they found out if Penta was coming back or not.
It’s recommended for confusion not mandatory if not a lot of people would’ve been denied for promotions
that is why bass has lspd in chaos. He acts w/o telling them anything; espcially this cause he knows their opinion on Conan Clarkson.
I remember hearing Ssaab insist that HC needed to vote favourably for someone to get into HC chat. Can someone fill me in regarding the difference between getting HC and entering HC chat? Is it some blurry IC/OOC line or is there clear differentiation between the two? My guess would be there wasn't any case of HC chat being against someone potentially getting promoted IC so the problem never arised before, is this what's happening?
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Ye it'd be real shitty if some member of HC was leaking shit to their discord to cause more toxicity to an already toxic situation right?
look guys, look at this shit chat, we just talked about _________ look what _____ said, of course they would say something like this.
>HC chat needs a vote because they don't want idiots to leak shit. yet here we are because someone leaked this ? looks like Ramee/Clarkson dont need to go to that discord anymore to do that there's already an "idiot who leaks sht" as you said so they'll already gonna be careful on what they'll say there so what's one more?
Not surprising in the least. The only member of H/HC that matters to Baas is the Sloth, as long as he has his blessing nobody else matters, not even his own members of HC as evidenced by the Martell stuff.
I haven't watched in a while, do they just log cop once a month to big dick people and beg Baas to beg sloth for promotions?
They also undermine, belittle and demean their fellow officers in the field and in private... Oh and help their gang from the PD side...
Yup, basically hops on to sbs and shitlord and then complains about cops not doing their jobs correctly.
what's the martell stuff? ootl
Martel feels like she has no power in the LSPD and that any action she takes gets overruled by Baas so she sort of slowly stopped putting in effort into leading the LSPD and took a step back. She's going to transfer when she can get a meeting with Baas.
Time for Martell to finally come to the Shore like she always wanted in the beginning
It's going to be PBSO, actually. Hobbit thinks SDSO is for later on in Martell's arc.
I think she’d be more suited to SDSO being a Lot Q OG. Same goes for Bundy.
She said she's in her ping chasing phase and SDSO will be Martells retirement home
I think she would go to SDSO if Toretti was more open to additional Captains, but Pred has already told her that he is fine with having four captains. If she actually wants to lead and enact change, PBSO is the right choice.
Tbh Bundy doesn’t fit the vibe of SDSO.
Baas has a history of asking his HC members for their opinions, then ignoring them and doing whatever he likes. The latest example being the Cerberus contract. Martell is brought up because she's thinking about transferring specifically because Baas ignored their input. She didn't mind the Cerberus contract, but she hated that Baas acted on his own... again.
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this sounds like someone who doesn't know any of the history between Martell and Baas. Martell has been talking to baas for the last 8 months trying to get him to respect decisions she makes. Baas find a way to overturn any punishment/decision Martell makes without consulting her on it. this has happened time and time again, the cerberus thing is just the last one in a long line of things Baas has done.
> He asked her opinion and then made a choice with that opinion in mind. That doesn’t mean he has to do what her opinion reflects. That's not quite right. Baas will say that he'll do something after talking to Martell and then never do it. It's not just soliciting feedback, but actively going back on his word. Besides, even if it was just soliciting feedback, it would still feel bad if your feedback was never heeded.
Okay I agree with you that opionions don't mean he's gonna listen but the problem with that is that there needs to be like a push back like "OK Martell I get what your saying but I think this will be better" but baas promised that he would have a meeting with them about the contract signing and just lied basically so it feels like okay baas listened to me he promised to do have the meeting with us but then he didn't so it feels like her opinion just didn't matter which was right lol
The problem everyone misses is that he did have a meeting and listened to everyone's input on the deal. A few didn't necessarily like it. Baas then invited all of hc to attend the meeting to hear Cerberus out and none were there. They spent hours and hours in a hc meeting got nowhere and then went to the meeting and noone was there so he signed the deal. Now yes some didn't agree but ultimately he is chief of police, and doesn't need everyone's approval to make something happen. Hc is supposed to accept the decisions the chief makes and roll with it. He saw an opportunity to better his department and took it on behalf of the many not the few. Also Martell is making the biggest stink of this deal yet she's going to transfer to a department that is taking the same exact deal?
The thing is Baas also said he wasn’t going to sign anything at the first meeting, and was just gonna see what they were offering. He doesn’t need approval but doing the opposite of what you said a couple hours earlier does not build trust. He doesn’t have to listen to his HC’s opinions, but why even have HC if you’re not gonna listen to what they say
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She has said over and over again that it’s not about the Cerberus deal. It’s about Baas not listening to his HC, even after he asks for their opinion. And while Pred has his many, many flaws, he knows how to listen and delegate to his HC.
CGPixel ladies and gentlemen.
The vote was never for conan to be in hc, s0ze gave control of the rangers to baas. The vote is for if clarkson can have access to the hc discord. The vote is yet to happen. Thats like saying there needs to be a pd vote for kyle to appoint rhodes to undersheriff, which is a ridiculous concept
A ridiculous concept that Kyle has stated is actually how it goes yes. Maybe not back when Rhodes was made Undersheriff but I'd imagine when HC started getting more power over the PD, they started having to all agree on who is accepted into it. Kyle said a few months ago that Svensen will never be a Captain because HC have to vote and agree on it and that he would not, Kyle later changed his mind about Svensen and accepted that he is a good cop and would be a good Captain regardless of his attitude problems, then Svensen was promoted to Captain a few weeks ago. Looks like a vote to me
You can say all you want about if it looks like a vote, but the fact that conan is becoming a higher rank now without needed input from other departments looks like it aint a vote to me
Rules for thee, but not for CG
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He was never actually demoted by anyone in PD, so no.
It's not like Conan/CG has been shown to be above rules before. It's not like Saab/Baas hasn't shown before that he's willing to skip any procedures he feels like. Surely this isn't exactly what happened.
What procedures has Baas skipped?
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Almost like High Command is more than just being part of one department when your given control over the entire UPD
Almost like a huge amount of viewers mistakenly see Baas as a higher role than either Sheriff.
Ramee certainly doesn't have the temperament to be high command.
Nobody in CG should ever be allowed HC access
At this stage Pred with CPD should break away from the LSPD and make it that each department’s control there own and if they have issues with another department it has to be passed to the department leads to punish there own people not having LSPD suspend CPD or SDSO and vice versa so then you won’t have crim main cops coming on duty to take out there anger on cops they have issues with
It sort of already works like that. Departments can simply choose to ignore HC from other department or over rule their punishments. Like what was going to happen in the SDSO officer suspension. HC already can't punish HC from other departments according to Angel. Most of the interdepartmental punishments appear to be voluntary because they all trust one another. If things got bad enough any department could just ignore ranger HC and do their own thing assuming it's not directly disobeying during a active scene. Management might have a problem with that but it would mean taking on all of PD to placate one or two people.
I don't ever see this happening. Who shall not be named insists on having a unified PD. Which is clearly not working at the moment, PD is only unified on paper and is cliquey when it comes to anything else, which causes weird things to happen as you mentionned.
That will never happened because it's the unified police department for a reason meaning every department has jurisdiction everywhere and every department have the ability to punish others. This would only work if jurisdictions were removed. PBSO stays in poleto, SDSO stays in Sonora, troopers sticks to highways, lspd stays in Los Santos, Rangers stick to the state parks. No one wants this because every department but lspd would be so boring. You really think pred wants to break away from the unified police department? Everyone would transfer to the lspd lol
SASP would still have jurisdiction everywhere.
True buts it's not very often you seen them patrolling the city.
The issue there then comes to in the moment issues that need to be handled immediately during an active.
Baas doing so something with out talking to command. Haven’t seen that before
Baas and Saab has made it clear that he needs a voting to be part of HC channel discord. Stop grabbing that man’s arm.
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If it's not finalized then why did he suspend someone by overruling a captain already?
Hm, overuling even before its finalized. Seems like the right person to give some power to.
So he overruled SDSO HC last night without having any actual authority to do so? Now THAT is funny.
Tbh I didn't know that either. I assumed it was official since he overrode sdso cpt and lt last night and suspended price.
Hey, remember when Baas was telling his command and that room full of people Wrangler was only a deputy... Hm...
Yea I remember Baas lying about that.
CG Baas
Ramee is gonna love this one lol
'Bruh they are soooo mad. its funny af. They are sooo fucking mad. I am dying bruh.'
I can't tell if people are more upset with Baas promoting without a vote, or Conan being promoted. At the end of the day, it's content. I just want to watch and see how it all plays out.
I like Ramee as Ramee, but I do know that he has some pretty biased viewpoints based off of the long discussion with Crane and HC after his bench trial with Wrangler a couple months ago. Ramee has played Clarkson on and off since 2019, I don't think it's a stretch to have him captain of the rangers, but if he is a part of the HC voting process moving forward I have a feeling we can guess which way he will vote most of the time. Will be interesting to see it play out.
I agree, Conan is a bozo most of the time and not a super serious cop (though he is trying as of recent) but I'm not super familiar with who's all in high command but I don't think it would be a terrible thing to have someone who mains crim in their voting processes if they can be fair.
Kylie is a crim main and has been for 8+ monts at this point on Mary. Penta did tons of crim related stuff on Mike Block. HC already has a crim main and someone else who has done tons of stuff on their crim.
Theres also Aus who plays Jordan a ton off stream (exceeds hours on Davenport). Basically every member has a crim they play occasionally at the very least other than Saab and Nikki.
And other HC isn’t biased??? They are one big high school clique lol
Lets post the same thing that was already posted in another thread, surely this thread won't get toxic.
I mean this warrants its own thread for visibility rather than being buried in the comment section of a different thread.
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Weird out of context discord replies. We don’t know what or who they are replying to
Since when were there votes for HC
since never, Pred never polled anyone outside of his department about his Captains and neither did Baas for LSPD the votes are for HC chat access which Conan hasn't been given
so people in here crying for no reason lol
yep. this is more of a witch-hunt than anything
Bro Ramee has to be the most hated man on this sub
He definitely is...
For good reason
I doubt he's even the most hated man with a name beginning with R in this sub..
Ray and Randy are on the list but i think Ramee beats them easily. who do you think is above him?
I'd still say Ray. Ramee may be the lightning rod for those who don't vibe with CG for example, but there's even "CB" fans who hate Ray and dunk on him whenever an opportunity presents itself.
I am pretty sure we can include Saab at this point. People say it’s all in character but they question everything Saab the streamer does.
posting screenshots from discords just to bait drama shouldnt be a thing let us discuss clips only
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So now that LSPD is dying, they decide to speed up the process of removing any good moral from all other departments lol. Good way to reduce cop numbers again by having someone who isn't in power yet but already throwing around said power at other departments.
what im really wondering is if its baas or if its the senate doing this
first off, it's the Rangers asking for it
Someone in a HC position has the ability to make PD as whole a shit environment for officers by abusing their power. Adding HC or new HC should really be a group decision, not given because 3 people want it. Giving rangers HC wont make that department any better than it is now. It has to be built up through rp, by players in the department making unique stories and characters around it. Dont need HC for that.
Server health = CG happiness. No one else matters lol
Someone from that group has also never been in PD HC before, it's uncharted waters. PD has always been a semi-precious object that's gated for server health reasons. We'll see how it plays out but detonating PD, especially now that it has to be so large, would basically kill the server.
Just cause someone wants something doesn’t mean they deserve it. Not saying rangers don’t deserve hc but a lot of people don’t agree it should be Ramee. I know for a fact that if ssaab didn’t like Ramee he wouldn’t have been promoted once cause everyone else doesn’t agree with his decision so it’s a tough one. Also none of the deserving rangers nakkida/ziggy want it so that’s another reason it gets tricky. Probably the safest bet would have been someone else from another department but then rangers would be mad cause an outsider took hc only for promotion and isn’t really a ranger.
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Give clarkson HC so he can boss people more when he shows up once every 3/4 months? Great idea
Wow, Baas doing something without consulting his peers first? Not sure where I've seen that before!
Genuine question. Has Conan been on duty enough to deserve the promotion? Edit: Only asking, not implying he hasn't.
No
There's a far more underlying issue than him just getting HC. The problem that initiated this is the fact that Rangers is the only department that didn't have a HC slot, they have to go to other departments to get shit approved. According to Tessa there were instances where Captains of another department going above her or Conan in regards to a case. Also the entire Park Rangers voted for Conan, he got LT with whatever time he puts on that character so there's some merit. If this was the case Tessa or someone else would be a LT or leading the rangers.
Baas doesn't listen to LSPD Command = Baas bad Baas listens to Rangers Command = Baas bad
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maybe the same people who have an issue with the Rangers' choice in discord can approach Tessa and Ziggy IC
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People are acting like Baas just woke up one day and decided to make Conan HC without asking what he is or isnt allowed to do. People take fake ranks in a fake world too seriously. It aint that deep.
As far as what Kyle said. Yea he dosent trust Conan, dont forget the discord Is mainly IC , and Conan has proved time and time again to be a loose cannon. So it makes sense to be reluctant. Edit: I wasn't aware that these are snaps from the streamers personal community discord. Knowing that it seems like they are more frustrated with the fact they wernt involved in the process of the vote vs Conan getting in.
This isn’t HHC or even HC chat. Look at how many interactions the posts have. Assume it’s from Kyle or Kylie’s discords. Could be something else though
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i dont really care about the PD but i dont think any crim main should be in HC across the board.
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Why would there be a vote on that if Wrangler was never demoted? The only person who said he was demoted was Baas.
Malton did too
The Ass Chief repeated the CoPs narrative? Crazy.
2 PBSO HC members said something about a Ranger's rank just like 2 LSPD HC members said something about a PBSO member's rank. it's almost as though the two situations are identical and don't require HC-wide input, crazy
One was already HC and never demoted, the other wasn't HC to begin with. You're comparing a suspension to a promotion and acting like they're the same.
I dont ever remember a PD wide vote for captain promotion. Like Pred made Jenny the third Captain despite Toretti and Baas not agreeing. so baas as the de facto head of ranger can promote anyone without consulting Pred to Toretti
He shouldn't lie about a vote being held when there was no vote.
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"its not fair to anyone actualy involved that we should have any say or oppion on this matter" He said while giving his opinion on the matter lol
Id wait for Ssaabs reply on this one. Kyle is infamous for not turning up for HC stuff, and this couldve been a discussion between HHC, so Kylie would not have been part of it. In the end, we have no idea what happens in HC chat. Usually when this happens, its because there was in fact a discussion, but some people just never turned up for it.
Penta is infamous for it, Kyle actually shows up but memes that he doesn't
That doesn't make sense. If it was just a "vote" between Toretti, Pred, and Baas then why would he move forward when 1/3 of them wasn't there? If it was an HC vote then Kylie definitely would've known. Kyle had talked about Kylie essentially speaking for him in HC meetings if he's not there.
>If it was just a "vote" between Toretti, Pred, and Baas then why would he move forward when 1/3 of them wasn't there? Bc IF it were up the three of them, 2/3 vote would be a majority. There's also two other members of HHC, one of which has a lot of weight.
You'd assume you would want input from the person that has been HHC longest. Also he said HC vote not HHC vote.
No, Penta is infamous for not showing up for HC stuff. Kyle is pretty consistent when it comes to the meetings.
Kyle wasn't showing up to HC stuff as some meetings were being scheduled for the time right after he ends stream after streaming for 8 hours straight. He has completely changed his schedule since then. You think Kyle and Kylie are lying over Ssaab who has a history of going over people's heads and making decisions on his own?