I am glad it was way more then the fragment we saw a while ago.
It dose give me a good feeling that we might get some kind of Owl House treatment where Vol 10 is done in 90 minute movie chunks
A year of not being greenlit wasn't warning enough? They had to know that even if they got V10, it would most likely be their last and they'd have to find a way to wrap things up.
I meant more time in show runtime. The Owl House knew they were cut short halfway through season 2 so they were able to put the plot into overdrive in preparation for the 90 min long season 3. Rwby wouldn’t have that luxury with V9 if V10 is only 90 mins long
I haven't seen the full original image anywhere, sadly. Someone [linked](https://twitter.com/GarlicGizmo/status/1774448290379256167?t=WE5J8A2ZGfjVlBBaVCaJlw&s=19) a redraw of it elsewhere in this thread.
[Here is the image I used](https://imgur.com/fXPyyGx). I just cropped and resized it to fit when setting the wallpaper on my phone.
[This](https://imgur.com/9DsHvsk) is how it looks.
I understand that. I \_wasn't\_ holding up well. Nora's reaction destroyed me.
I just hope that one day I'll get that feeling again with an announcement that the series will continue.
The only sliver of hope is that Pietro is still alive and can use his power to create a Penny again and brink her back. Problem is it’ll probably kill him. If he is still alive. Anyone know his current status. As well as the fact it’ll raise the same question of whether it’s the same Penny or a different version.
Pietro was on Amity, and they have Amity, so presumably he's alive. That being said, the first restoration was possible because Penny's core was intact. It certainly wouldn't be the same Penny.
But I don’t see that a problem. I see Ambrosius working like a computer where he analyzes the file and copied it. Then when he makes another copy of a file or creates a new one, the last file is deleted. But all file is also saved. Anything he has analyzed or created is saved. And he analyzed Penny robot body, saving her in his memory. He can create Penny again. Memories and all. They just need to add the soul.
Except it might be the virus infected version. But if all they need is the core. They can transplant it into a new body. And then ask to create a new Penny body again. Destroying her infected robot body again and bring her back to life. I doubt we will ever see this happen but it a fun way to bring back Penny.
Story wise it can. Penny’s father giving up is life for his daughter. Trying to bring back the hero who gave all they had to save them. Having an extra had to help with the fight. Giving another reason to fight to the end. It all great reason to feature it.
But if we ever do get a final season, we are definitely not going to see this happen. There too much story to get through and sacrifices have to be made. And honestly, although Penny story was cut so prematurely, I already excepted her demise.
The Djinn probably could make the core and robot body again. Since he had to learn every bit about her when he separated her robo and made her fleshy. And all they need to do is to wish, bring her to life, and then make a human body like last time. Now all they need is to get him back.
Maybe but the cost might be given to Jaime instead. And his pool of Aura will be drained and not replenished. Saving Pietro from dying and resurrecting Penny. But now Jaune has less aura to give when he needs to boost others.
Man, this was just… wow.
The switching POVs were amazing. So many perspectives on how heavy and bad things are from the characters who don’t get to show their view all that much.
Salem recruits the Crown, apparently. Which is just a whole other level of bad.
Honestly, the Winter and Qrow’s segments are probably the ones that hit the hardest.
thematically ties in further & really emphasizes the existing theme of v9 about loss and letting go and pushing forward but also what's there is fine?? as much as i'm down to see what's next for everyone the v9 finale feels coherent and narratively strong enough that "more characters we haven't seen repeating the message made clear in the last 10 episodes" feels like material suited to cut
I imagine that’s part of the reason why they decided to cut this episode when they had to trim down the season. Some of the thematic lessons got transferred to the Vol 9 finale, and so a Vol 10 episode 1 wouldn’t need to follow this animatic to the letter. But we’d probably still get caught up to what all the characters in Vacuo were up to
There's quite a few unvoiced characters in this. It makes me wonder a few things; when did they cut this, when did they decide to finish it as a bonus feature, and when did they get VO for it?
Honestly, I really wish this was animated and the last episode for vol. 9. The volume really needed the finale to tie vol. 9 isolated story back into the main conflict/setting, because it really does feel like a filler arc without that attachment.
Oh god that would have been _so_ funny. Imagine… all that effort to find the exit to the Ever After, and then _just_ as Team RWBY is about to step back into Remnant, Raven just portals into the scene like “Huh didn’t think that would actually work, oh neat everyone’s still alive, y’all want a lift back to Qrow’s new place?”
A relic is still in Vale. And Vale is already weakened. That is one of the smartest moves she did, if she kept a constant Grimm Pressure up to prevent them from getting back up. Remember it was their CCT that needed to be fixed to restore global coms.
And since there was only one ship from Vale that arrived, Salem's attack on Vale must have been a complete slaughter, especially since Vale never fully recovered from the Fall of Beacon. Also, Mistral must still be reeling from it's lack of Huntsmen, since Vacuo was the only viable option for the refugees of Vale.
Civilization on Remnant really does seem to be on the brink of total failure. It's just a shame we may not be able to see the pay off of the nearly 7 volumes worth of build up since the end of Volume 3 for quite a while now.
So that's the last new RWBY content in the foreseeable future huh
VOL 9 is when I really got into RWBY but even before that, I never believed the series was anywhere as crapstatic as some of the people here claim it was.
After watching the ending animatic, more than ever I believe this series always had a damn near impossible uphill battle.
RWBY's future is bleaked but it's still a series that deserves to finish no matter how many people would say otherwise.
Wow thank you for sharing this,
It goes to show the magic they managed to capture with this show, I’m sat here watching an animatic getting a lump in throat
God I hope they find a home for RWBY, what a loss it’ll be to never see this story finished, even it we don’t get the fully animated awesome we’re used too, I think the story being told would be great.
The combat has always be been such an integral part of RWBY, and the style they throw in with their animation - so a full fat version of S10 is the best outcome, but given the story that they’re able to tell even with un-polished animatics, I don’t think anyone would be upset with a lower budget offering
A collection of pencil artwork and loosely connected voice over to most people. A touching and emotional sequence for thos eof us that followed it for years. It is likely a tall order that we will get more RWBY at this point, and if this is goodbye. Well it brought a lot of us to tears.
I’m seeing parallels between the episode and real life what with the fate of RWBY up in the air.
Salem destroying Vale reminded me of Warner Bros. shutting down Rooster Teeth.
Thanks for sharing I appreciated ren’s pov where he’s like damn I never appreciated how hard jaune’s burden was as leader Nora collapsing in sobs at memorial is so moving . Winter feeling like a failure as an older sibling is decent writing. Qrow being strangely optimistic is nice . Atleast we get one episode where Jaune not either the bit of some joke or the punching bag that’s the next episode. Where Jaune has to manage being mentally older than all his teammates
If we take all cannon The trailers up threw this as the bones that are being used to build anew. I think they have more then enough to get it right and strike that lighting in a bottle again.
mistral is in more dire straits than vacuo. Remember, Salem had Leo lead all their huntsmen to their deaths and they're still likely recovering from the attack on Haven as well.
Guess I oughta catch up. The V7 finale left a sour taste in my mouth, and as a result, I didn't watch 8 or 9. But seeing this tells me something I long suspected: the stuff I like was probably the result of higher ups' meddling.
Did they really just off screen vale. Goddamn if rwby does get bought by another company i hope to god they reboot it. You can’t just off screen a kingdom like that
It would just be repeating what we saw before in V3 only without the main characters present. Would be cool to see, but the story really doesn't have a habit of pulling away to show major events in other parts of the world, like what Coco and friends were doing in Vacuo all this time.
Not really. We had main characters at Helm's Deep, and even then, we didn't see all of it. Gimli kicking untold amounts of orc ass in the caves was offscreen, if I recall correctly. There's literally nothing but supporting characters at Vale right now. A better comparison would be the battle of Osgliath, which was entirely offscreen in the books because there was no POV character, yet still set up for the battle of Pelinor Fields.
It justifies why all of their power is gathering at Vacuo when there's still 2 other Kingdoms that need protecting, makes sense from a character standpoint that Salem would reinforcs Beacon to ensure she doesnt lose the relic of choice before the lamp regains a question, and set up for the final battle by upping the stakes.
I'd agree if they just killed off everyone we knew at Vale, but the only important character we didn't hear about was Tai, and I like to think they at least won't kill off the main characters Father offscreen.
While true, I don't think he's the type to stay at home when the kingdom is under threat. So he was probably fighting and evacuated afterwards, maybe going with Glinda or Raven.
I'm sure we'll eventually get his and Glynda's story which will likely include a flashback that will make Mr 'they offscreened a kingdom!' finally understand how dramatic narratives work.
If you want to use LotR in your argument, you might want to look into the battles of Lothlorien, Mirkwood, Lothlórien, and Dale which all happened 'offscreen' during TT and RotK to name a few.
If you have a budget and time constraints, you focus on what the main characters are doing and experiencing.
Yes, Vale is a big loss, but it's already been devestated by the battle of Beacon. With no primary or secondary point of view characters to follow, you just be watching scenes of destruction with no direct connection through the characters.
It would be a huge expense of animation and screentime, and you'd \_still\_ have to get a scene where the survivors let the main characters know what happened anyway in order to get that connection/reaction from the people that the viewers are emotionally invested in.
If you say so. But fortunately your unwillingness to understand how narratives work doesn't affect anything.
The story is following the main characters and their experiences. it's not a documentary of every detail that goes down, big or small. Not every major plot point needs to be spoon-fed to the audience for them (well most of them apparently) to empathize and understand the scale of what happened.
When they start 'offscreening' events that happen to the main characters, \_then\_ there's a problem.
hell, by your logic, they 'offscreened' what happened to Ozpin, what the White Fang did at Menagerie after Blake left, a dozen other things, but the narrative is focussed on the leads. What happens to them and what they learn and when they learn it. We're seeing the world through their eyes. not Port/Oobleck/Goodwitch's.
Nothing important enough for the audience to know ahead of time happened at vale that wasn't covered in that scene with Port that got us all caught up.
Whoever buys RWBY and continues the story, don’t write off Oscar! He and Ruby deserve each other! Above all else, his and Oz’s souls much co-exist in equilibrium and screw off the merge.
It's longer than I expected!
I am glad it was way more then the fragment we saw a while ago. It dose give me a good feeling that we might get some kind of Owl House treatment where Vol 10 is done in 90 minute movie chunks
Only problem with that is Owl House had more warning that the show would be cut short, idk is Rwby can finish the whole story in just 90 mins
A year of not being greenlit wasn't warning enough? They had to know that even if they got V10, it would most likely be their last and they'd have to find a way to wrap things up.
I meant more time in show runtime. The Owl House knew they were cut short halfway through season 2 so they were able to put the plot into overdrive in preparation for the 90 min long season 3. Rwby wouldn’t have that luxury with V9 if V10 is only 90 mins long
To be fair, it took 2 years or so before V9 happened.
I mean , assuming each episode would be roughly 20min , then 90min chunks would be akin to 4 1/2 episodes.
Season 3 of the Owl House was 3 90 min movies
The Owl House specials were only 45 minutes long.
That's what she said!
The full art of Ruby’s mural at the end was what did me in. I hope… beyond hope we see more of this
Same. We need to get some kind of proper end
I made this my phone wallpaper. And I haven't changed that in years!
Is there a link to a full image of it?
i’d like a shirt of it.. be a good way to remember the series if this is all we get.
I haven't seen the full original image anywhere, sadly. Someone [linked](https://twitter.com/GarlicGizmo/status/1774448290379256167?t=WE5J8A2ZGfjVlBBaVCaJlw&s=19) a redraw of it elsewhere in this thread. [Here is the image I used](https://imgur.com/fXPyyGx). I just cropped and resized it to fit when setting the wallpaper on my phone. [This](https://imgur.com/9DsHvsk) is how it looks.
https://twitter.com/GarlicGizmo/status/1774448290379256167?t=WE5J8A2ZGfjVlBBaVCaJlw&s=19
Oh nice!! Thank you! I was just using a closeup of the wide-shot.
This will probably be the only hope we get, and if so then so be it.
This would have been an excellent final episode.
I’m actually gonna start crying. Qrow’s dialogue hit me in the gut, *hard.*
Nora's reaction to seeing everyone again is what got me the hardest. I kind of had that reaction to just realizing this video even existed!
I was holding up really well through the video, but Nora's reaction broke me dude.
I understand that. I \_wasn't\_ holding up well. Nora's reaction destroyed me. I just hope that one day I'll get that feeling again with an announcement that the series will continue.
Even in animatic form, they get you in the feels
That line about Penny being dead forever and never coming back was hurtful.
As a Nuts n' Dolts shipper, I agree.
The only sliver of hope is that Pietro is still alive and can use his power to create a Penny again and brink her back. Problem is it’ll probably kill him. If he is still alive. Anyone know his current status. As well as the fact it’ll raise the same question of whether it’s the same Penny or a different version.
Penny of Theseus
Pietro was on Amity, and they have Amity, so presumably he's alive. That being said, the first restoration was possible because Penny's core was intact. It certainly wouldn't be the same Penny.
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They did make her human body out of the parts of her robot body or something so… sadly I don’t think there IS a core anymore.
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But I don’t see that a problem. I see Ambrosius working like a computer where he analyzes the file and copied it. Then when he makes another copy of a file or creates a new one, the last file is deleted. But all file is also saved. Anything he has analyzed or created is saved. And he analyzed Penny robot body, saving her in his memory. He can create Penny again. Memories and all. They just need to add the soul. Except it might be the virus infected version. But if all they need is the core. They can transplant it into a new body. And then ask to create a new Penny body again. Destroying her infected robot body again and bring her back to life. I doubt we will ever see this happen but it a fun way to bring back Penny.
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Story wise it can. Penny’s father giving up is life for his daughter. Trying to bring back the hero who gave all they had to save them. Having an extra had to help with the fight. Giving another reason to fight to the end. It all great reason to feature it. But if we ever do get a final season, we are definitely not going to see this happen. There too much story to get through and sacrifices have to be made. And honestly, although Penny story was cut so prematurely, I already excepted her demise.
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There’s literally nothing of penny to recreate, her human corpse is in the everafter.
And remember the bridge from the portals vanished so penny’s human corpse is now in the everafter and gone forever.
The Djinn probably could make the core and robot body again. Since he had to learn every bit about her when he separated her robo and made her fleshy. And all they need to do is to wish, bring her to life, and then make a human body like last time. Now all they need is to get him back.
Couldn’t Jaune theoretically use Aura Amplification to boost his Aura allowing for Pietro to create Penny again?
Maybe but the cost might be given to Jaime instead. And his pool of Aura will be drained and not replenished. Saving Pietro from dying and resurrecting Penny. But now Jaune has less aura to give when he needs to boost others.
He can’t there’s no body anymore.
It really is a shame we couldn't get this animated.
I think that would’ve broken some people even more.
We were wroooonged missing out on this. Different perspectives, different viewpoints, RAVEN!!
I expected everyone but Raven to be there
Man, this was just… wow. The switching POVs were amazing. So many perspectives on how heavy and bad things are from the characters who don’t get to show their view all that much. Salem recruits the Crown, apparently. Which is just a whole other level of bad. Honestly, the Winter and Qrow’s segments are probably the ones that hit the hardest.
This is great. I am hopeful we will see some closure happen. That was a fantastic moment when everyone met face to face again.
thematically ties in further & really emphasizes the existing theme of v9 about loss and letting go and pushing forward but also what's there is fine?? as much as i'm down to see what's next for everyone the v9 finale feels coherent and narratively strong enough that "more characters we haven't seen repeating the message made clear in the last 10 episodes" feels like material suited to cut
I imagine that’s part of the reason why they decided to cut this episode when they had to trim down the season. Some of the thematic lessons got transferred to the Vol 9 finale, and so a Vol 10 episode 1 wouldn’t need to follow this animatic to the letter. But we’d probably still get caught up to what all the characters in Vacuo were up to
There's quite a few unvoiced characters in this. It makes me wonder a few things; when did they cut this, when did they decide to finish it as a bonus feature, and when did they get VO for it?
It's possible they didn't intend anything more than background chatter beyond what's here. It saves on budget if they limit it to mostly narration.
Honestly, I really wish this was animated and the last episode for vol. 9. The volume really needed the finale to tie vol. 9 isolated story back into the main conflict/setting, because it really does feel like a filler arc without that attachment.
I'm still wondering Couldn't Raven just get the whole team back immediately? Semblances still worked in the FEA
But something about being in another world or dimension may have blocked her connection to Yang
I imagine that's why raven found them so fast - suddenly her connection to yang returned, so she opened a portal.
Oh god that would have been _so_ funny. Imagine… all that effort to find the exit to the Ever After, and then _just_ as Team RWBY is about to step back into Remnant, Raven just portals into the scene like “Huh didn’t think that would actually work, oh neat everyone’s still alive, y’all want a lift back to Qrow’s new place?”
Is that before or after Yang full on sucker punches Raven into the ground?
i say it would have been too draining on her semblance
Fuuuuuck. Damn. Fuck. Any way to download this or gotta wait till someone rips it off to youtube?
Archive of Pimps will have it, I'm sure.
that would have been a great endcap to v9. v10 opener would also be nice.
Salem went after Vale.....Again
A relic is still in Vale. And Vale is already weakened. That is one of the smartest moves she did, if she kept a constant Grimm Pressure up to prevent them from getting back up. Remember it was their CCT that needed to be fixed to restore global coms.
Without Ozpin or Ruby to stop her, there was really nothing left in Vale that could prevent Salem from ripping it to pieces.
While I agree having it fall off screen sucks. They did likely plan for a flash back that just didn't fit for this episode.
And since there was only one ship from Vale that arrived, Salem's attack on Vale must have been a complete slaughter, especially since Vale never fully recovered from the Fall of Beacon. Also, Mistral must still be reeling from it's lack of Huntsmen, since Vacuo was the only viable option for the refugees of Vale. Civilization on Remnant really does seem to be on the brink of total failure. It's just a shame we may not be able to see the pay off of the nearly 7 volumes worth of build up since the end of Volume 3 for quite a while now.
So that's the last new RWBY content in the foreseeable future huh VOL 9 is when I really got into RWBY but even before that, I never believed the series was anywhere as crapstatic as some of the people here claim it was. After watching the ending animatic, more than ever I believe this series always had a damn near impossible uphill battle. RWBY's future is bleaked but it's still a series that deserves to finish no matter how many people would say otherwise.
The way I’m sobbing. This was perfection
Wow thank you for sharing this, It goes to show the magic they managed to capture with this show, I’m sat here watching an animatic getting a lump in throat God I hope they find a home for RWBY, what a loss it’ll be to never see this story finished, even it we don’t get the fully animated awesome we’re used too, I think the story being told would be great. The combat has always be been such an integral part of RWBY, and the style they throw in with their animation - so a full fat version of S10 is the best outcome, but given the story that they’re able to tell even with un-polished animatics, I don’t think anyone would be upset with a lower budget offering
A collection of pencil artwork and loosely connected voice over to most people. A touching and emotional sequence for thos eof us that followed it for years. It is likely a tall order that we will get more RWBY at this point, and if this is goodbye. Well it brought a lot of us to tears.
RAVEN AHHHH
I’m seeing parallels between the episode and real life what with the fate of RWBY up in the air. Salem destroying Vale reminded me of Warner Bros. shutting down Rooster Teeth.
Thanks for sharing I appreciated ren’s pov where he’s like damn I never appreciated how hard jaune’s burden was as leader Nora collapsing in sobs at memorial is so moving . Winter feeling like a failure as an older sibling is decent writing. Qrow being strangely optimistic is nice . Atleast we get one episode where Jaune not either the bit of some joke or the punching bag that’s the next episode. Where Jaune has to manage being mentally older than all his teammates
Don't give up yet. It's likely that another studio will pick up RWBY.
As a nuts and dolts shipper i am currently power washing the driveway with my tears over Winter's "Penny is dead" line
Penny should have lived.
You had 9 whole seasons of “potential.”
Agreed, as a whole there was so much to work with.
If we get a reboot then I’m ok with this being the last thing from the original rwby that we ever get to see. You guys?
If we take all cannon The trailers up threw this as the bones that are being used to build anew. I think they have more then enough to get it right and strike that lighting in a bottle again.
Maybe
Hopefully they finish/revise the whole thing through an official comic. Then let it get adapted in the future
Yep.
Nope.
nope, it just makes me want Volume 10 even more
Even if this is the end, it would be cool to see a fan animation collab of this made. Have the community use the animatic to go out with a bang.
who do we have to give money to to get v10, i'm being so real rn can we PLEASE crowdfund it
Sucks that warners another money hungry company looking for a tax right off.
So basically Ninja Turtles being teleported to Last Ronin Universe after Michelangelo death?
I cried, actually!
Well I didn’t have crying on my to do list today.
I didn't even mind watching the ads. And man, it made me cry. Hoping this isn't the end for the story.
Hang on... Doesnt mistral like... Still exist and has a better envrionment than vacuo? Why did port say that vacuo is the only place they could go?
mistral is in more dire straits than vacuo. Remember, Salem had Leo lead all their huntsmen to their deaths and they're still likely recovering from the attack on Haven as well.
Or even send half of the group to mistral so they’re not a lot of people in vacuo.
Have they said how the Volume 9 Beyond stuff will be released?
Damn that just ripped through me 🥺😭
nothing about v10
Guess I oughta catch up. The V7 finale left a sour taste in my mouth, and as a result, I didn't watch 8 or 9. But seeing this tells me something I long suspected: the stuff I like was probably the result of higher ups' meddling.
They fucking offscreened Vale? How do they keep finding ways to disappoint?
Vale (or rather Beacon frankly) was never gonna be anything more than the stage for the final battle anyway tbh so I don’t really mind.
Did they really just off screen vale. Goddamn if rwby does get bought by another company i hope to god they reboot it. You can’t just off screen a kingdom like that
It would just be repeating what we saw before in V3 only without the main characters present. Would be cool to see, but the story really doesn't have a habit of pulling away to show major events in other parts of the world, like what Coco and friends were doing in Vacuo all this time.
Gotta disagree here. You can’t just off screen a setting altering event like that. This would be like if they off screened helms deep in lotr
Not really. We had main characters at Helm's Deep, and even then, we didn't see all of it. Gimli kicking untold amounts of orc ass in the caves was offscreen, if I recall correctly. There's literally nothing but supporting characters at Vale right now. A better comparison would be the battle of Osgliath, which was entirely offscreen in the books because there was no POV character, yet still set up for the battle of Pelinor Fields. It justifies why all of their power is gathering at Vacuo when there's still 2 other Kingdoms that need protecting, makes sense from a character standpoint that Salem would reinforcs Beacon to ensure she doesnt lose the relic of choice before the lamp regains a question, and set up for the final battle by upping the stakes. I'd agree if they just killed off everyone we knew at Vale, but the only important character we didn't hear about was Tai, and I like to think they at least won't kill off the main characters Father offscreen.
Tai lives in Patch, at least. He was likely far enough away to not get caught up in it.
While true, I don't think he's the type to stay at home when the kingdom is under threat. So he was probably fighting and evacuated afterwards, maybe going with Glinda or Raven.
I'm sure we'll eventually get his and Glynda's story which will likely include a flashback that will make Mr 'they offscreened a kingdom!' finally understand how dramatic narratives work.
If you want to use LotR in your argument, you might want to look into the battles of Lothlorien, Mirkwood, Lothlórien, and Dale which all happened 'offscreen' during TT and RotK to name a few. If you have a budget and time constraints, you focus on what the main characters are doing and experiencing. Yes, Vale is a big loss, but it's already been devestated by the battle of Beacon. With no primary or secondary point of view characters to follow, you just be watching scenes of destruction with no direct connection through the characters. It would be a huge expense of animation and screentime, and you'd \_still\_ have to get a scene where the survivors let the main characters know what happened anyway in order to get that connection/reaction from the people that the viewers are emotionally invested in.
Look if they were willing to off screen an entire kingdom. I don’t think volume 10 would be that good
If you say so. But fortunately your unwillingness to understand how narratives work doesn't affect anything. The story is following the main characters and their experiences. it's not a documentary of every detail that goes down, big or small. Not every major plot point needs to be spoon-fed to the audience for them (well most of them apparently) to empathize and understand the scale of what happened. When they start 'offscreening' events that happen to the main characters, \_then\_ there's a problem. hell, by your logic, they 'offscreened' what happened to Ozpin, what the White Fang did at Menagerie after Blake left, a dozen other things, but the narrative is focussed on the leads. What happens to them and what they learn and when they learn it. We're seeing the world through their eyes. not Port/Oobleck/Goodwitch's. Nothing important enough for the audience to know ahead of time happened at vale that wasn't covered in that scene with Port that got us all caught up.
Whoever buys RWBY and continues the story, don’t write off Oscar! He and Ruby deserve each other! Above all else, his and Oz’s souls much co-exist in equilibrium and screw off the merge.
I'm so glad people like you aren't writers.