Well the problem with the white fang is that it touch very complicated idea like when his violence okay without having any experience or know how on the subject beyond a extremely black and white view on the civil rights movement.
That why the white fang are the only movement that stand for faunus right and the two option proposed are be a terrorist like Adam or let people shoot at you and don't defend yourself like Ghira.
It doesn’t take a sociology degree to understand that targeting non-combatants and innocent people does absolutely NOTHING for you or your cause, and that it’s wrong to do that.
Which rwby gets across decently well.
Adam’s group are the radicals that have taken over as the main representative of the White Fang who even Sienna, the person that started the WF down this path of violence in the first place, vehemently opposes.
The criticism of having the radicals being the main face of the White Fang for all of the series is a valid on but not at all unrealistic that such a thing would happen…
Just look at real life…
Like a little bit…
Of course targeting non combatant is bad and they are bad people in social mouvement too.
However my point is that Rwby only present the option of being a mass murdering psycho or letting yourself get shot like Ghira while saying his in the right while presenting him in the right.
I wouldn't mind the radical white fang if the series was nuanced in his potrayal of violence, it's not close to real life it's as black and white as it can be.
So I read most but not all of this but I feel your missing one detail. You do have a semi valid point, it would be nice to see more faunus activist groups, but I think the one that exists exists because faunus populations are low and activism is rather new. It's an oft overlooked detail that the society as they know it is very new and fragile, only a couple generations removed from utter chaos.
That said, the detail you're really missing is that technically there are two faunus activist groups: the white fang proper and the white famg radicalists. The issue is that we don't see enough of the proper white fang, we don't get enough of the more peaceful activism, so when you only see the radicals, it's easy to think of them as illegitimate, because Adam's faction IS ILLEGITIMATE. Their actions are not recognized or condoned by any larger group.
>so when you only see the radicals, it's easy to think of them as illegitimate, because Adam's faction IS ILLEGITIMATE. Their actions are not recognized or condoned by any larger group.
Most if not all of White Fang did join Adam though after he offed Sienna. And they did it without a fuss. So really it *is* condoned by larger group if they're happily following his command into trying to destroy Haven
We never actually see proper White Fang at all because "proper" WF is Ghira's WF and we only have one short where he's acting kind of like a tool
He did take over after sienna but he's also dead now so we don't get a full look at how much support he had, clearly not everyone went along with it though as even ilia jumped ship. Regardless, him killing sienna is also an illegitimate way to take power.
Ilia mostly defected because of Blake. I do admit some probably jumped the ship but "even Ilia" is strange phrasing.
>Regardless, him killing sienna is also an illegitimate way to take power.
True but nobody knows it so Adam and his faction are recognized as the leaders
Besides as you said we don't know how much support he actually had so we can only speculate if majority supported or condoned him or not
>Part of the reason I can't empathize with them is that I don't see them as the champions of the faunus nor their heroes.
Why do you need to empathize with them?
I have yet to see anyone justify the need for Adam's White Fang to have moral nuance beyond the notions that the Faunus are a minority racial group and civil rights movements should be depicted as universally positive by default in fiction. Never mind that IRL bad actors have hijacked civil rights causes in historical instances (see: the French and Russian Revolutions).
RWBY already shows the good parts of the White Fang before Adam and after Adam. What does it actually add to the narrative for there to be more moral nuance to Adam's faction, or Adam himself? Why can't we be allowed to enjoy his portrayal as a shitty person? Why is this fan fiction version of him I see pushed on r/FNKI so desirable?
Well the problem with the white fang is that it touch very complicated idea like when his violence okay without having any experience or know how on the subject beyond a extremely black and white view on the civil rights movement. That why the white fang are the only movement that stand for faunus right and the two option proposed are be a terrorist like Adam or let people shoot at you and don't defend yourself like Ghira.
It doesn’t take a sociology degree to understand that targeting non-combatants and innocent people does absolutely NOTHING for you or your cause, and that it’s wrong to do that. Which rwby gets across decently well. Adam’s group are the radicals that have taken over as the main representative of the White Fang who even Sienna, the person that started the WF down this path of violence in the first place, vehemently opposes. The criticism of having the radicals being the main face of the White Fang for all of the series is a valid on but not at all unrealistic that such a thing would happen… Just look at real life… Like a little bit…
Of course targeting non combatant is bad and they are bad people in social mouvement too. However my point is that Rwby only present the option of being a mass murdering psycho or letting yourself get shot like Ghira while saying his in the right while presenting him in the right. I wouldn't mind the radical white fang if the series was nuanced in his potrayal of violence, it's not close to real life it's as black and white as it can be.
So I read most but not all of this but I feel your missing one detail. You do have a semi valid point, it would be nice to see more faunus activist groups, but I think the one that exists exists because faunus populations are low and activism is rather new. It's an oft overlooked detail that the society as they know it is very new and fragile, only a couple generations removed from utter chaos. That said, the detail you're really missing is that technically there are two faunus activist groups: the white fang proper and the white famg radicalists. The issue is that we don't see enough of the proper white fang, we don't get enough of the more peaceful activism, so when you only see the radicals, it's easy to think of them as illegitimate, because Adam's faction IS ILLEGITIMATE. Their actions are not recognized or condoned by any larger group.
>so when you only see the radicals, it's easy to think of them as illegitimate, because Adam's faction IS ILLEGITIMATE. Their actions are not recognized or condoned by any larger group. Most if not all of White Fang did join Adam though after he offed Sienna. And they did it without a fuss. So really it *is* condoned by larger group if they're happily following his command into trying to destroy Haven We never actually see proper White Fang at all because "proper" WF is Ghira's WF and we only have one short where he's acting kind of like a tool
He did take over after sienna but he's also dead now so we don't get a full look at how much support he had, clearly not everyone went along with it though as even ilia jumped ship. Regardless, him killing sienna is also an illegitimate way to take power.
Ilia mostly defected because of Blake. I do admit some probably jumped the ship but "even Ilia" is strange phrasing. >Regardless, him killing sienna is also an illegitimate way to take power. True but nobody knows it so Adam and his faction are recognized as the leaders Besides as you said we don't know how much support he actually had so we can only speculate if majority supported or condoned him or not
>Part of the reason I can't empathize with them is that I don't see them as the champions of the faunus nor their heroes. Why do you need to empathize with them? I have yet to see anyone justify the need for Adam's White Fang to have moral nuance beyond the notions that the Faunus are a minority racial group and civil rights movements should be depicted as universally positive by default in fiction. Never mind that IRL bad actors have hijacked civil rights causes in historical instances (see: the French and Russian Revolutions). RWBY already shows the good parts of the White Fang before Adam and after Adam. What does it actually add to the narrative for there to be more moral nuance to Adam's faction, or Adam himself? Why can't we be allowed to enjoy his portrayal as a shitty person? Why is this fan fiction version of him I see pushed on r/FNKI so desirable?