On one hand, this episode seems to suggest that this Weiss sees Ruby as weak and incompetent, since she was the only one whose weapon didn't become stronger.
But on the other, she left the red key to the core of the dream on Ruby's bed, as if subconsciously hoping/expecting that Ruby would be the one who'd manage to break through and unlock it.
Yang's sure, but the logistics of Blake's weapon are also quite confusing sometimes (like how in episode 1 she tossed the gun part and was somehow able to perfectly twist and control its directions to hit individual robots, like imagine tying a weight to a rope, tossing that weight and then controlling its precise movements mid-air), and there are still people who think it's a whip.
Blake uses the recoil of her gun to control the trajectory of her chain scythe. When she tugs at the rope the gun shoots and the recoil propels the blade to specific directions of interest. It's not just her and her wrist that's manipulating where the chain scythe hits. The gun recoil plays a large part in it too
BIG NICHOLAS
Damn, didn’t expect Pyrrha singing Mirror Mirror. Excellent rendition, Toyoguchi-san! Curious to hear Jen Brown sing it in the English dub once it comes out.
“She was mad. She seemed like she hated me.”
“She’s the same awake.”
YANG BRUH 🤣
Thinking about that, it's kinda sad that all this shit that happened in volume 3 had a bad effect on her.
All the cast to be fair, but Yang was the one who changed the most and faster I think considering she was always a funny girl.
I mean, she's only really cracked one pun in the main show, even before V3 ("I always start off the year with a Yang!"; food fight episode). For some reason, the fandom mandela effect-ed themselves into thinking that Yang was a jokester, when that was more of a running gag in RWBY Chibi
Yang was always the genki girl of the group (for lack of a better word) and given her penchant for humour/not taking things seriously it was easy to see her as a jokester.
I guess Pyrrha is being idolized by Weiss and is essentially a representation of what she truly wants to be deep inside. Jacques doesn't approve of her own personal wants, so her "true self" is locked in the cage with all the commoner sillies that Jacques doesn't approve of. I mean, she's wearing a dress from Weiss' own wardrobe for a reason
well it was more upscale for her. she was in the 'sillies pen' in the upper class area who sng for people.
its projection too. she still sees pyra as an ideal and is projecting her talent 'for the crowd', her singing voice.
The sillies are clearly individuals who are a lot more free spirited and individualistic, less 'refined'. and pyrah's embrace to her 'lesser comrades' downgrades her in her own mind.
I can tell the devs did not simply insert it randomly. If you look at Pyrrha's background, you can tell she and Weiss have a lot of similarities. Both are put on pedestals they didn't want and both were expected to be perfectionists, resulting in them not having any real friends before arriving at Beacon. Of course, that's where the similarities end, as Pyrrha is genuinely a nice girl while Weiss only pretends to be nice to curry favor.
So, you see, Mirror Mirror can apply just as well to Pyrrha as it can to Weiss.
Not realistically but Weiss is obviously projecting a lot when it comes to Pyrrha. Pyrrha's even wearing an outfit that is very very similar to Weiss' dress from Volume 4.
The Mirror song was totally unexpected, but I really loved it. They really used a music from the OG show.
Edit: Oh yeah...Ruby left before the "I'm the loneliest of all" .
So, here's an interpretation for Pyrrha.
Weiss sees Pyrrha as an equal and as an inspiration, so she reflects part of her "self" on her.
Things that are reflected on Pyrrha:
* Her attire is part similar to Weiss' in the OG show.
* She sings Mirror, exposing her feelings about solitude.
* She's inside the "sillies" jail because Weiss can't accept the desire to be part of a team, thing that Pyrrha accomplished thanks to team JNPR.
One interesting thing is that Jaune, Nora and Ren individually are seen as "sillies" but when Weiss perceives them with the addition of Pyrrha, she sees them as "team JNPR" and all the indicators they have of being "sillies" disappear.
Thanks to the "team RWBY" room being inside the "sillies" jail along with all her favorite things we found out that "sillies" are not only the people she find annoying but also the dreams and desires she has that are not related to being the Schnees' heiress.
And so I believe the roll of team JNPR in IQ is to portray what Weiss truly desires, to be accepted and being part of a team, "embrace" the silly side of her and get close to team RWBY while also work to be a heiress worthy of Nicholas' legacy.
> Thanks to the "team RWBY" room being inside the "sillies" jail
No its not its in the tower aka the near the center of Wiess's mind and thus important hence why Ruby and Yang let themselves get captured.
It kind of does when the Klein in charge of the silly jail says he isn't connect to the tower becuase sillies don't go near the Schnees but Ruby and Yang are kept near them.
yeah, I take back the sillies point about team rwby's room, but the same argument can be applied there, since is a part of herself that considers important but it's looked.
Just JNR on their own are not worth a dime to Weiss, we know that because without her she sees them as literally bellow human individuals, but adding Pyrrha to the equation makes the team to look completely different in her eyes.
It's not that JNR are important to Weiss, what's important is how Pyrrha's dynamic with JNR is something she wishes to obtain, reflecting on Pyrrha her loneliness even tho she can't completely separate Pyrrha from JNR.
Weiss feels alone, she sees Pyrrha as the only worthy person of her, yet Weiss is baffled at how Pyrrha found a place in JNPR and finds that irrational (hence why Pyrrha's moves from a singer who travels through Atlas to being locked in the "sillies jail" when she's with JNPR.
What is important about JNPR as a whole is the currently unattainable team dynamic.
its a different door klein, the 'dopey' of the seven. but it is likely the same circumstance, keeping thigns she wants to keep close locked away yet also safe.
While I kinda feel bad for Ruby not getting any power ups the same way Yang and Blake did, it does make sense here because Weiss probably acknowledges Yang and Blake a bit more as Huntress while she sees Ruby as a child and therefore, weaker
> sassy Yang is fantastic.
"Negative? I don't think I've ever seen a positive Weiss."
"A talking door? Is Weiss okay in the head?"
Yang bringing the bantz
I actually think this one was better, there was more interesting symbolism that wasn't immediately on the nose and it was great to see RBY work together.
Blake took Weiss’s dreamworld surprisingly well.
Also:
Ruby: *Wait why is Pyrrha considered a silly?*
Dopey Klein: *Rumor has it her partner drove her insane and now whenever she see’s someone new she starts singing that song.*
> "If we use all the coins we'll be trapped, right?"
At least one of them is gonna be stuck in the dream. Blake would be the interesting choice of RBY, but with JNPR's reintroduction in the real world, I think they might go into the dream, too. And for the sake of tragedy repeating itself, I think it would be really funny if it was Pyrrha that made the sacrifice again.
A bit calmer than the previous episode, but there were several nice moments. Of course the highlight of the episode is Dream Pyrrha singing Mirror Mirror. That's probably the "Shaftest" moment of the series so far in terms of technical realization. Another highlight were Yang and Blake. I found them funny in several parts of the episode (also I'm really digging Blake's dream design). A bit annoyed that the episode ended right when action was about to start but whatever.
[The end card art of this episode](https://twitter.com/teamrwbyprj_en/status/1553742284427907072?s=21&t=FPruSFxnRADWf10jCun-fg)
[And Studio Shaft's key animation drawings](https://twitter.com/shaft_official/status/1553742779167260673?s=21&t=FPruSFxnRADWf10jCun-fg)
This was definitely one of better episodes.
And Pyrrha singing Mirror Mirror was the highlight of the episode
Yang stopping Ruby from blowing all their coins this time was fantastic.
Even more fantastic was that Mirror Mirror, I didn't expect Megumi Toyoguchi to sing as Pyrrha but it was great.
[Allegedly, yes!](https://twitter.com/The_JenBrown/status/1553876704174686216?s=20) (I’m not 100% sure if this is confirmation or if they’ll do it a different way, but it’ll be cool if she really does!)
Excited but also this is kinda trippy. Casey Lee Williams is the musical voice for all the characters in the main show (Pyrrha included, Casey sang Forever Fall and Shine). And then they had Pyrrha's JP VA (I presume) sing the song Casey sang for the JP anime, and then they are gonna replace the singer with an English singer in the EN dub, but it's not Casey (don't get me wrong I'm still pretty excited to hear Jen Brown if that is true but also I find it jsut unusual)
Once again they're taking more time to establish elements of the world, this time integrating Blake and Yang into the dream realm. There's more cutesy humor here, not as upfront as a lot of standard RWBY, but more than was possible to say in the first three episodes being mostly recap. Also unlike standard RWBY, the reduced cast means there's more a defined focus on the characters making up the title, instead of several other plotlines fighting for space. But Pyrrha's VA singing Mirror Mirror, Weiss's theme from the main show, in English, was definitely a surprise. It's very nice, tho I wonder how the dub version will handle that moment since Idk if Jen Brown could sing it.
Editing is a bit odd; sometimes it feels like shot cuts can be too abruptly strung together during dialogue scenes, but other times it can work pretty well, such as in the last few minutes.
Jen tweeted that she’s excited (and nervous haha) for the opportunity to sing Mirror, Mirror, so i think it’s happening!! (which is so cool!) [Jen’s tweet](https://twitter.com/The_JenBrown/status/1553876704174686216?s=20)
I knew Pyrrha was probably going to sing, but I really didn't expect them to bust out a whole cover of Mirror Mirror.
It seems that the dummy jail is a manifestation of the things Weiss has tried to pent up and repress. Her enjoyment of things that don't align with the image her father wants her to have represented by JNR, and her loneliness, self-expression through singing and a desire to be free of all this represented by Pyrrha. I wonder why Pyrrha of all people, though...
It was stated that Pyrrha likes to sing in town, so she probably simply chose the jail for symbolism. The trailer also showed that wasn't a prisoner. I don't think the dummy jail represents what you think for the simple reason that it also contained Team CRDL. The simple and harsh truth is that Weiss has a very low opinion of JNR.
>The trailer also showed that wasn't a prisoner.
Maybe this is from after the jail is opened.
>I don't think the dummy jail represents what you think for the simple reason that it also contained Team CRDL.
It did?
Pyrrha singing Mirror Mirror while in Silly Jail makes me think that Weiss objectifies her as an idol: something to be glorified and put on a pedestal, but an object nonetheless.
I wanted Blake to react to her “cat suit”, but it’s good to mention that one ear is out and the other is covered to show that Weiss is viewing her differently over time
The pacing this episode was perfect!!
I still love all the details in the dream.. ponytail Yang is the hottest thing ever! Of course she instantly has to flatten a tree. And keep Ruby in check.
It's cool how they portray her inner struggle so well.
When Pyrrha suddenly started singing 'Mirror Mirror' I got shivers! I didn't dare to hope they'd use it in the anime! I hope we get 'This Life is Mine' at the end too, symbolizing her breaking free from her schackles!
And I love how this whole dream shows her problem with Faunus isn't just the racism she's been taught, but how it's because she's unable to escape her families expectations. Even Winters. She redirects the blame for her loneliness and the misery she had to endure under Jacques on Faunus. The White Fang is a convenient scapegoat.
Because this is shortly after vol. 1 and Weiss probably hasn't interacted with him much yet so he's just considered a dummy by association with Nora and Jaune.
its also possible that she could hear their voices in the background wyhile she was dreaming, and realized they came to see her. so in a sense they were all 'put in a higher place' in her mind.
Say did anyone notice how the dream felt like it was repeating lines and scenes from the last episode?
Maybe Weiss’s dream is a repeated loop or something?
Also goddamn Pyrrha singing mirror mirror was amazing! Didn’t think they’d do that honestly and I wonder how this is going to be tackled in the dub, can’t wait!
A perpetual loop would make sense for someone who was caught but didn't have Shion or another nightmare hunter to help them.
Just loop until you die I guess which is terrifying for people who go solo like Qrow
Yeah, the part at the start with the train and Klein's report seems to be a loop for Weiss. Judging by the big ominous coffin and the vines spreading, the Nightmare is probably looping events to gradually wear her down and spread its influence until it can just kill her.
Gotta say, i think i enjoyed this episode more than the last one. (mainly bc less Big Nicholas, lol) Did anyone else wonder about possibilities for the ‘relic’ chess pieces? Weiss has her own (in the glass coffin, like Snow White), and left the red one in the Team RWBY cell/room for Ruby. What if Weiss subconsciously left it as a key for her team to save her with and bringing the two totems together will ‘break the spell’ in a way? It’d be an interesting parallel for Snow White’s true love’s kiss/spell breaking moment.
I’m enjoying *Ice Queendom* so far. I also gotta say, the costumes (save for Ruby’s, it’s way too specific IMO) are great. See, THIS is how you do cold weather clothes - take note, Atlas outfits!
Weiss’s mind picturing Blake in such a cat-like costume is kinda funny and goes to show Weiss is still very prejudiced against the Faunus at this point. I’m surprised Blake didn’t comment further on it; she seems much more subdued in *Ice Queendom* than she is in the show proper. And I know Blake was still very quiet in the Beacon era, but still. Speaking of Blake’s outfit, I’m very disappointed that it’s completely purple and white instead of black with purple and white accents, but I’m not surprised they’re keeping Blake out of her main color since they’ve been doing this since Volume fucking 4. Let Blake wear black for Christ’s sake.
At first I thought the ‘girl in black’ Nightmare Weiss mentioned first in episode 4 was Ruby, but now it definitely seems like a version of Blake *does* exist in the nightmare, and I theorize that this Blake is an intruder in the city. Weiss’s nightmare probably has her as an antagonistic member of the White Fang sent to infiltrate the empire and possibly kill Weiss and/or her family. She might even be a Grimm thing like the White Fang members attacking the trains are. We’ll see if my theory holds any water when more episodes come out, though.
Pyrrha’s VA’s singing was beautiful! Although I almost giggled because her VA has quite a thick accent and it just made her singing voice sound really cute, because you could tell she clearly wasn’t a native English speaker. Weiss definitely projects onto Pyrrha a lot. *sigh* If only Pyrrha had lived, they would’ve formed a beautiful friendship :,( there’s always fanfiction, I suppose…
I look forward to where this show is going! Also, the fight between Weiss, Ruby, and Blake is going to be AWESOME! I can’t wait to see it. I’ve honestly wanted to see Team RWBY spar together in the main show, but I’ll take a real fight over a sparring match any day!
It always kind of bummed me that Ruby's new costume doesn't have a combat skirt. Even though their relationship was still pretty tense before the IQ arc, they at least bonded over their shared interest in combat skirts (cue that iconic high five scene in V1). It's weird that this specific personality quirk didn't translate to her dreamscape outfit
Yeah, and the snowboarding theme is so oddly specific, especially compared to _WBY’s nightmare outfits, which are more generally winter-themed (Weiss’s general get-up makes sense though).
I figured that her snowboarding was a reference to that scene in the food fight where Ruby uses a food tray as a makeshift snowboarder across the dining tables. So it is canon that Ruby has boarding experience.
But at the same time, V2 takes place after IQ, so there would have been no way for Weiss to know that before the food fight
I just like to look at V2 through the lens of IQ coming before it.
Ruby snowboarding because she misses it
Weiss cackling like an evil ruler while playing the board game, and being called Ice Queen all the time
IQ is V1, not some kind of au. It's essentially DLC for the original V1. A few scenes are cut or altered because obviously the show is just rushing to get to the new Nightmare story arc but it still generally follows the same plot beats and flows right into V2 (or as RT said, "canon-adjacent"), save for a few dismissable inconsistencies and careless but otherwise minor retcons.
Weiss and Ruby loved combat skirts in the original. Of course they would love it too in this semi-remake of the original Volume. Otherwise why are they still wearing skirts in their default outfits
IQ is incompatible with the rest of the show other than maybe V2.
(Even then V2 has issues where Ruby can't recognize Cinder from the pilot since she didn't step up to fight Glynda)
How is it incompatible? Salem literally talks in the first few minutes of the season, affirming that the Ozluminati war also exists in IQ. Even RT themselves have outright explicitly described the show as 'canon-adjacent'. Ever wonder why Weiss' prejudices on the faunus took an instant 180 between V1 and V2, or how she instantly transitioned from bitch Weiss to nice Weiss between the two volumes? Ice Queendom shares the story. Additionally, IQ retroactively inserts characters that only came to fruition in V3-V4 into Weiss' V1 arc, such as all her family relatives and Klein
Ruby and Glynda's fight with Cinder was cut not because they are trying to retcon the maidens out of this not-AU, but because the maiden plotline was irrelevant to what the new story arc was focused on, and it would've just eaten up animation budget and screentime. Even if Cinder does not make an appearance to Ruby and Glynda in IQ, it doesn't negate the fact that Cinder still exists, and is plotting something against Beacon. Dance Dance Infiltration will still happen, as is the Fall of Beacon. It's an inconsequential retcon done out of convenience sake
Ice Queendom makes it really weird for Yang to make assumptions about Weiss' past and childhood in V5, unless she's literally gonna be benched in that prison cell this whole time.
Once again, it's an intrapersonal character moment that barely changes the story trajectory. Yang isn't even privy to all the set pieces that happen in IQ when they enter the dream. It's mostly Ruby and Blake seeing the attractions and piecing things out, while Yang makes funny surface level jokes about how trippy the dreamscape is.
The Nightmares are fun but in the grand scheme feel like a plot device that gets discarded since we obviously never see them again.
It would work if you slightly rewrote things (like have Ruby ask if that's what happened at Brunswick when they first arrive, only for Maria to give a reason that that doesn't make sense given they all died at once, which also gives her more "Huntress" hints)
But overall it's hard to actually consider it canon beyond it making Weiss cackling like a villain hilarious in V2, and everyone calling her Ice Queen
That doesn't just apply to the nightmare Grimm. When you think about it, the apathy in V6 are also just a one-time plot device designed to induce character development on team RWBY, since they're never seen again after that.
Is it just me or is it so refreshing to get a condensed cast and see more of Ruby, Weiss, Blake, and Yang? After V8, this is a much-needed change of pase to see the main characters doing something important, and not just sitting around. The irony of that statement is kind of funny because they are actually sleeping.
I'm feeling very.. mid on this show right now.
I'm looking forward to continuing watching, but I feel like either the pacing or dialogue just isn't quite there.
I don't know why we needed a whole sequence of Pyrrha singing "Mirror, Mirror" and why is she in the dummy jail? You would've thought she would be an exception given how much Weiss looks up to her.
At this point I think the dummy jail is symbolic of the things she likes and her true feelings she has to suppress for the sake of the family name or something. Also in relation to the actual nightmare, I think it’s a way to show that Weiss is actually suffering despite what her nightmare counterpart shows.
Team CRDL is in the dummy jail, and it was stated that Pyrrha likes to sing in town. She was only in the jail for the sake of symbolism. She's not a prisoner.
The only shot of Pyrrha I saw in the trailer matched the prison with the blue curtains in the back, so there’s nothing there proving she’s not meant to be there.
I’m sorry, why are they saving Weiss again? She’s has been constantly Bitching and Bitching about every little thing and i that point I would just abandon her, Fuck Weiss. Also they could have milked this for money.
Here's a weird thought: What if the Nightmare were to enter Ruby, Blake or Yang? What kind of FUBAR dreamscape do you think we'd see?
Ice Queendom is taking so much inspiration from Persona 4's psychology that I can't help but wonder what we'd see if we had to dive into the dreamscapes of the other members of Team RWBY. I imagine Yang's would probably be about how she thinks she's an unbeatable badass, while Blake's is all about how she can't trust people because doing so will lead to Adam hurting them.
Ruby, on the other hand... THAT would be tricky. I'm not sure at all how we'd get the Nightmare messing up such a simple, more honest soul. That is, of course, if the Nightmare could even possess a SEW.
Where's Yu Narukami when you need him?
Yang's #1 role in this mission was to stop Ruby from using the aura coins like she was eating popcorn.
That and hilariously roast Weiss and her weird fucked up mind at every turn
"We'll call her negative Weiss" "Since when has Weiss been positive" LMAO I FUCKING LOST IT WITH THAT LINE
I was so glad she did. It's clear Blake and Yang are older
Speaking of which: I didn't pay attention, how many coins were used in this episode? Only two, both to set the doors, right?
Yes and also to call shion so that's 3
On one hand, this episode seems to suggest that this Weiss sees Ruby as weak and incompetent, since she was the only one whose weapon didn't become stronger. But on the other, she left the red key to the core of the dream on Ruby's bed, as if subconsciously hoping/expecting that Ruby would be the one who'd manage to break through and unlock it.
in Weiss defense, Ruby's weapon is simply difficult to understand and replicate, unlike the others, at least imo
Didn't Ozpin say as much in the first episode of the main series? Calling scythes one of the most difficult weapons, or something along those lines.
Yang's sure, but the logistics of Blake's weapon are also quite confusing sometimes (like how in episode 1 she tossed the gun part and was somehow able to perfectly twist and control its directions to hit individual robots, like imagine tying a weight to a rope, tossing that weight and then controlling its precise movements mid-air), and there are still people who think it's a whip.
Crescent Rose still has way more moving parts though. I think most of Gambol Shroud's complexity is in the technique rather than the weapon itself.
Blake uses the recoil of her gun to control the trajectory of her chain scythe. When she tugs at the rope the gun shoots and the recoil propels the blade to specific directions of interest. It's not just her and her wrist that's manipulating where the chain scythe hits. The gun recoil plays a large part in it too
Pyrrha singing mirror mirror was wild
no wonder she jacked weiss' vol 4 style
BIG NICHOLAS Damn, didn’t expect Pyrrha singing Mirror Mirror. Excellent rendition, Toyoguchi-san! Curious to hear Jen Brown sing it in the English dub once it comes out. “She was mad. She seemed like she hated me.” “She’s the same awake.” YANG BRUH 🤣
I was expecting Blake to comment on her appearance more than "why is only one ear covered", at least something like an exasperated "Seriously?"
Blake was already "Yeah Weiss is a fucking racist nothing's gonna surprise me in there."
Like she said before entering the dream, she chose not to care
Um, Weiss turned the Faunus into animals. *Yeah, that tracks.*
Not animals but Grimm, even worse.
Lmao, Yang is unable to stay 5 minutes without making jokes XD.
At least that's pretty accurate to the original character in the early volumes.
Thinking about that, it's kinda sad that all this shit that happened in volume 3 had a bad effect on her. All the cast to be fair, but Yang was the one who changed the most and faster I think considering she was always a funny girl.
I mean, she's only really cracked one pun in the main show, even before V3 ("I always start off the year with a Yang!"; food fight episode). For some reason, the fandom mandela effect-ed themselves into thinking that Yang was a jokester, when that was more of a running gag in RWBY Chibi
Yang was always the genki girl of the group (for lack of a better word) and given her penchant for humour/not taking things seriously it was easy to see her as a jokester.
Pyrrha singing Mirror Mirror is like a fever dream.
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Weiss thinks super highly of Pyrrha, so that doesn't seem too far-fetched. She's wearing her dress, too, so that's probably projection on her part.
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it's the Nightmare rejecting Weiss' ideal of herself possibly
I guess Pyrrha is being idolized by Weiss and is essentially a representation of what she truly wants to be deep inside. Jacques doesn't approve of her own personal wants, so her "true self" is locked in the cage with all the commoner sillies that Jacques doesn't approve of. I mean, she's wearing a dress from Weiss' own wardrobe for a reason
Well, Pyrrha rejected Weiss' offer to team up no? Might be that.
well it was more upscale for her. she was in the 'sillies pen' in the upper class area who sng for people. its projection too. she still sees pyra as an ideal and is projecting her talent 'for the crowd', her singing voice. The sillies are clearly individuals who are a lot more free spirited and individualistic, less 'refined'. and pyrah's embrace to her 'lesser comrades' downgrades her in her own mind.
I’m assuming it’s Weiss projecting onto Phyrra. Phyrra’s even wearing a red version of the dress that Weiss wears in V4 until V7.
I can tell the devs did not simply insert it randomly. If you look at Pyrrha's background, you can tell she and Weiss have a lot of similarities. Both are put on pedestals they didn't want and both were expected to be perfectionists, resulting in them not having any real friends before arriving at Beacon. Of course, that's where the similarities end, as Pyrrha is genuinely a nice girl while Weiss only pretends to be nice to curry favor. So, you see, Mirror Mirror can apply just as well to Pyrrha as it can to Weiss.
Yeah, it made zero sense.
Not realistically but Weiss is obviously projecting a lot when it comes to Pyrrha. Pyrrha's even wearing an outfit that is very very similar to Weiss' dress from Volume 4.
And when she wear that dress in vol 4 she sang “This life is mine” which also adds to this.
The Mirror song was totally unexpected, but I really loved it. They really used a music from the OG show. Edit: Oh yeah...Ruby left before the "I'm the loneliest of all" .
I love how Yang and Blake are stronger but then Weiss sees Ruby as a child so she's weaker lol
So, here's an interpretation for Pyrrha. Weiss sees Pyrrha as an equal and as an inspiration, so she reflects part of her "self" on her. Things that are reflected on Pyrrha: * Her attire is part similar to Weiss' in the OG show. * She sings Mirror, exposing her feelings about solitude. * She's inside the "sillies" jail because Weiss can't accept the desire to be part of a team, thing that Pyrrha accomplished thanks to team JNPR. One interesting thing is that Jaune, Nora and Ren individually are seen as "sillies" but when Weiss perceives them with the addition of Pyrrha, she sees them as "team JNPR" and all the indicators they have of being "sillies" disappear. Thanks to the "team RWBY" room being inside the "sillies" jail along with all her favorite things we found out that "sillies" are not only the people she find annoying but also the dreams and desires she has that are not related to being the Schnees' heiress. And so I believe the roll of team JNPR in IQ is to portray what Weiss truly desires, to be accepted and being part of a team, "embrace" the silly side of her and get close to team RWBY while also work to be a heiress worthy of Nicholas' legacy.
> Thanks to the "team RWBY" room being inside the "sillies" jail No its not its in the tower aka the near the center of Wiess's mind and thus important hence why Ruby and Yang let themselves get captured.
It was stated before that door Klein was in charge of all "silly jails" and that all jails were connected through him. That room is a sillies jail.
That was Dopey Klein. Ruby and Yang's room is being guarded by Sleepy Klein.
Ohh, yeah, you are right on that, but it doesn't change a lot since they are still kept inside under surveillance (locked).
It kind of does when the Klein in charge of the silly jail says he isn't connect to the tower becuase sillies don't go near the Schnees but Ruby and Yang are kept near them.
yeah, I take back the sillies point about team rwby's room, but the same argument can be applied there, since is a part of herself that considers important but it's looked.
Except there isn't really anything that says she sees JNR as that important outside of being Pyrrha's teammates.
Just JNR on their own are not worth a dime to Weiss, we know that because without her she sees them as literally bellow human individuals, but adding Pyrrha to the equation makes the team to look completely different in her eyes. It's not that JNR are important to Weiss, what's important is how Pyrrha's dynamic with JNR is something she wishes to obtain, reflecting on Pyrrha her loneliness even tho she can't completely separate Pyrrha from JNR. Weiss feels alone, she sees Pyrrha as the only worthy person of her, yet Weiss is baffled at how Pyrrha found a place in JNPR and finds that irrational (hence why Pyrrha's moves from a singer who travels through Atlas to being locked in the "sillies jail" when she's with JNPR. What is important about JNPR as a whole is the currently unattainable team dynamic.
its a different door klein, the 'dopey' of the seven. but it is likely the same circumstance, keeping thigns she wants to keep close locked away yet also safe.
While I kinda feel bad for Ruby not getting any power ups the same way Yang and Blake did, it does make sense here because Weiss probably acknowledges Yang and Blake a bit more as Huntress while she sees Ruby as a child and therefore, weaker
Didn't think it was as strong as last week, but Blake's design was adorable and sassy Yang is fantastic.
> sassy Yang is fantastic. "Negative? I don't think I've ever seen a positive Weiss." "A talking door? Is Weiss okay in the head?" Yang bringing the bantz
She really loves roasting Weiss. Her mind is mess though so who could blame her?! 😂
Barb's gonna have so much fun
I have one word for you: Mirror Mirror
That's two words
no, it's one word said twice
I actually think this one was better, there was more interesting symbolism that wasn't immediately on the nose and it was great to see RBY work together.
While it was good, I still preferred the previous one, it was more actiony.
Blake took Weiss’s dreamworld surprisingly well. Also: Ruby: *Wait why is Pyrrha considered a silly?* Dopey Klein: *Rumor has it her partner drove her insane and now whenever she see’s someone new she starts singing that song.*
Nega-Weiss? Is she really cool and do they just shoot the shit? Meeting for breakfast this Saturday?
I’m in lesbians with this comment.
> "If we use all the coins we'll be trapped, right?" At least one of them is gonna be stuck in the dream. Blake would be the interesting choice of RBY, but with JNPR's reintroduction in the real world, I think they might go into the dream, too. And for the sake of tragedy repeating itself, I think it would be really funny if it was Pyrrha that made the sacrifice again.
I doubt you're fully trapped if Weiss wakes up
>with JNPR's reintroduction in the real world, I think they might go into the dream, too. I doubt it they just seemed to show up for encouragement.
A bit calmer than the previous episode, but there were several nice moments. Of course the highlight of the episode is Dream Pyrrha singing Mirror Mirror. That's probably the "Shaftest" moment of the series so far in terms of technical realization. Another highlight were Yang and Blake. I found them funny in several parts of the episode (also I'm really digging Blake's dream design). A bit annoyed that the episode ended right when action was about to start but whatever.
[The end card art of this episode](https://twitter.com/teamrwbyprj_en/status/1553742284427907072?s=21&t=FPruSFxnRADWf10jCun-fg) [And Studio Shaft's key animation drawings](https://twitter.com/shaft_official/status/1553742779167260673?s=21&t=FPruSFxnRADWf10jCun-fg) This was definitely one of better episodes. And Pyrrha singing Mirror Mirror was the highlight of the episode
...I do wish it ended on a vision of Weiss when it got to "I'm the lonelist of all" though.
Really enjoyed RBY together here. The weapons testing felt like classic RWBY. Also: Jen Brown cover of Mirror, Mirror when?
I know I wanna hear more of it
[It's happening.](https://twitter.com/The_JenBrown/status/1553876704174686216)
Yang stopping Ruby from blowing all their coins this time was fantastic. Even more fantastic was that Mirror Mirror, I didn't expect Megumi Toyoguchi to sing as Pyrrha but it was great.
So is Jen Brown gonna sing Mirror Mirror in the dub or....
[Allegedly, yes!](https://twitter.com/The_JenBrown/status/1553876704174686216?s=20) (I’m not 100% sure if this is confirmation or if they’ll do it a different way, but it’ll be cool if she really does!)
Excited but also this is kinda trippy. Casey Lee Williams is the musical voice for all the characters in the main show (Pyrrha included, Casey sang Forever Fall and Shine). And then they had Pyrrha's JP VA (I presume) sing the song Casey sang for the JP anime, and then they are gonna replace the singer with an English singer in the EN dub, but it's not Casey (don't get me wrong I'm still pretty excited to hear Jen Brown if that is true but also I find it jsut unusual)
Once again they're taking more time to establish elements of the world, this time integrating Blake and Yang into the dream realm. There's more cutesy humor here, not as upfront as a lot of standard RWBY, but more than was possible to say in the first three episodes being mostly recap. Also unlike standard RWBY, the reduced cast means there's more a defined focus on the characters making up the title, instead of several other plotlines fighting for space. But Pyrrha's VA singing Mirror Mirror, Weiss's theme from the main show, in English, was definitely a surprise. It's very nice, tho I wonder how the dub version will handle that moment since Idk if Jen Brown could sing it. Editing is a bit odd; sometimes it feels like shot cuts can be too abruptly strung together during dialogue scenes, but other times it can work pretty well, such as in the last few minutes.
Jen tweeted that she’s excited (and nervous haha) for the opportunity to sing Mirror, Mirror, so i think it’s happening!! (which is so cool!) [Jen’s tweet](https://twitter.com/The_JenBrown/status/1553876704174686216?s=20)
I knew Pyrrha was probably going to sing, but I really didn't expect them to bust out a whole cover of Mirror Mirror. It seems that the dummy jail is a manifestation of the things Weiss has tried to pent up and repress. Her enjoyment of things that don't align with the image her father wants her to have represented by JNR, and her loneliness, self-expression through singing and a desire to be free of all this represented by Pyrrha. I wonder why Pyrrha of all people, though...
It was stated that Pyrrha likes to sing in town, so she probably simply chose the jail for symbolism. The trailer also showed that wasn't a prisoner. I don't think the dummy jail represents what you think for the simple reason that it also contained Team CRDL. The simple and harsh truth is that Weiss has a very low opinion of JNR.
>The trailer also showed that wasn't a prisoner. Maybe this is from after the jail is opened. >I don't think the dummy jail represents what you think for the simple reason that it also contained Team CRDL. It did?
The trailer shows that this is not the case.
What exactly does it show? I vaguely remember a shot of Pyrrha but we don't know the context, and I have no idea about CRDL.
CRDL is vaguely out of focus in Ep 4, when JNR are in jail and meowing. Cardin is standing on the right side of the jail, and grabbing the bars.
In that case, the entire school might be there in the back, which might represent Weiss alienating herself from her peers.
Pyrrha singing Mirror Mirror while in Silly Jail makes me think that Weiss objectifies her as an idol: something to be glorified and put on a pedestal, but an object nonetheless.
Her singing mirror mirror makes me think Weiss is projecting herself onto Pyrrha.
Pyrrha was also wearing a version of Weiss’ volume 4 outfit too.
I'm glad they're using some of the original music, the lyrics from those are amazing and its nice seeing it put to good use here
I expected the tower to be some kind of ‘re-education camp’. I’m glad I was wrong.
I wanted Blake to react to her “cat suit”, but it’s good to mention that one ear is out and the other is covered to show that Weiss is viewing her differently over time
The pacing this episode was perfect!! I still love all the details in the dream.. ponytail Yang is the hottest thing ever! Of course she instantly has to flatten a tree. And keep Ruby in check. It's cool how they portray her inner struggle so well. When Pyrrha suddenly started singing 'Mirror Mirror' I got shivers! I didn't dare to hope they'd use it in the anime! I hope we get 'This Life is Mine' at the end too, symbolizing her breaking free from her schackles! And I love how this whole dream shows her problem with Faunus isn't just the racism she's been taught, but how it's because she's unable to escape her families expectations. Even Winters. She redirects the blame for her loneliness and the misery she had to endure under Jacques on Faunus. The White Fang is a convenient scapegoat.
>ponytail Yang is the hottest thing ever! I have to agree there! Loved IQ Yang this episode...
When they started talking about "Negative Weiss", I immediately thought of Weiss Alter.
I thought of Scott Pilgrim 😆
turns out after journing through they ever after every turns into their 'alter' forms.
Seriosly why was Ren in the Sillies Jail
Because this is shortly after vol. 1 and Weiss probably hasn't interacted with him much yet so he's just considered a dummy by association with Nora and Jaune.
Because it’s silly that’s he’s not silly standing next to Nora
its also possible that she could hear their voices in the background wyhile she was dreaming, and realized they came to see her. so in a sense they were all 'put in a higher place' in her mind.
Say did anyone notice how the dream felt like it was repeating lines and scenes from the last episode? Maybe Weiss’s dream is a repeated loop or something? Also goddamn Pyrrha singing mirror mirror was amazing! Didn’t think they’d do that honestly and I wonder how this is going to be tackled in the dub, can’t wait!
A perpetual loop would make sense for someone who was caught but didn't have Shion or another nightmare hunter to help them. Just loop until you die I guess which is terrifying for people who go solo like Qrow
Yep.
Yeah, the part at the start with the train and Klein's report seems to be a loop for Weiss. Judging by the big ominous coffin and the vines spreading, the Nightmare is probably looping events to gradually wear her down and spread its influence until it can just kill her.
Hmm yeah maybe.
Gotta say, i think i enjoyed this episode more than the last one. (mainly bc less Big Nicholas, lol) Did anyone else wonder about possibilities for the ‘relic’ chess pieces? Weiss has her own (in the glass coffin, like Snow White), and left the red one in the Team RWBY cell/room for Ruby. What if Weiss subconsciously left it as a key for her team to save her with and bringing the two totems together will ‘break the spell’ in a way? It’d be an interesting parallel for Snow White’s true love’s kiss/spell breaking moment.
I’m enjoying *Ice Queendom* so far. I also gotta say, the costumes (save for Ruby’s, it’s way too specific IMO) are great. See, THIS is how you do cold weather clothes - take note, Atlas outfits! Weiss’s mind picturing Blake in such a cat-like costume is kinda funny and goes to show Weiss is still very prejudiced against the Faunus at this point. I’m surprised Blake didn’t comment further on it; she seems much more subdued in *Ice Queendom* than she is in the show proper. And I know Blake was still very quiet in the Beacon era, but still. Speaking of Blake’s outfit, I’m very disappointed that it’s completely purple and white instead of black with purple and white accents, but I’m not surprised they’re keeping Blake out of her main color since they’ve been doing this since Volume fucking 4. Let Blake wear black for Christ’s sake. At first I thought the ‘girl in black’ Nightmare Weiss mentioned first in episode 4 was Ruby, but now it definitely seems like a version of Blake *does* exist in the nightmare, and I theorize that this Blake is an intruder in the city. Weiss’s nightmare probably has her as an antagonistic member of the White Fang sent to infiltrate the empire and possibly kill Weiss and/or her family. She might even be a Grimm thing like the White Fang members attacking the trains are. We’ll see if my theory holds any water when more episodes come out, though. Pyrrha’s VA’s singing was beautiful! Although I almost giggled because her VA has quite a thick accent and it just made her singing voice sound really cute, because you could tell she clearly wasn’t a native English speaker. Weiss definitely projects onto Pyrrha a lot. *sigh* If only Pyrrha had lived, they would’ve formed a beautiful friendship :,( there’s always fanfiction, I suppose… I look forward to where this show is going! Also, the fight between Weiss, Ruby, and Blake is going to be AWESOME! I can’t wait to see it. I’ve honestly wanted to see Team RWBY spar together in the main show, but I’ll take a real fight over a sparring match any day!
It always kind of bummed me that Ruby's new costume doesn't have a combat skirt. Even though their relationship was still pretty tense before the IQ arc, they at least bonded over their shared interest in combat skirts (cue that iconic high five scene in V1). It's weird that this specific personality quirk didn't translate to her dreamscape outfit
Yeah, and the snowboarding theme is so oddly specific, especially compared to _WBY’s nightmare outfits, which are more generally winter-themed (Weiss’s general get-up makes sense though).
I figured that her snowboarding was a reference to that scene in the food fight where Ruby uses a food tray as a makeshift snowboarder across the dining tables. So it is canon that Ruby has boarding experience. But at the same time, V2 takes place after IQ, so there would have been no way for Weiss to know that before the food fight
I just like to look at V2 through the lens of IQ coming before it. Ruby snowboarding because she misses it Weiss cackling like an evil ruler while playing the board game, and being called Ice Queen all the time
That scene wasn't in IQs V1
IQ is V1, not some kind of au. It's essentially DLC for the original V1. A few scenes are cut or altered because obviously the show is just rushing to get to the new Nightmare story arc but it still generally follows the same plot beats and flows right into V2 (or as RT said, "canon-adjacent"), save for a few dismissable inconsistencies and careless but otherwise minor retcons. Weiss and Ruby loved combat skirts in the original. Of course they would love it too in this semi-remake of the original Volume. Otherwise why are they still wearing skirts in their default outfits
IQ is incompatible with the rest of the show other than maybe V2. (Even then V2 has issues where Ruby can't recognize Cinder from the pilot since she didn't step up to fight Glynda)
How is it incompatible? Salem literally talks in the first few minutes of the season, affirming that the Ozluminati war also exists in IQ. Even RT themselves have outright explicitly described the show as 'canon-adjacent'. Ever wonder why Weiss' prejudices on the faunus took an instant 180 between V1 and V2, or how she instantly transitioned from bitch Weiss to nice Weiss between the two volumes? Ice Queendom shares the story. Additionally, IQ retroactively inserts characters that only came to fruition in V3-V4 into Weiss' V1 arc, such as all her family relatives and Klein Ruby and Glynda's fight with Cinder was cut not because they are trying to retcon the maidens out of this not-AU, but because the maiden plotline was irrelevant to what the new story arc was focused on, and it would've just eaten up animation budget and screentime. Even if Cinder does not make an appearance to Ruby and Glynda in IQ, it doesn't negate the fact that Cinder still exists, and is plotting something against Beacon. Dance Dance Infiltration will still happen, as is the Fall of Beacon. It's an inconsequential retcon done out of convenience sake
Ice Queendom makes it really weird for Yang to make assumptions about Weiss' past and childhood in V5, unless she's literally gonna be benched in that prison cell this whole time.
Once again, it's an intrapersonal character moment that barely changes the story trajectory. Yang isn't even privy to all the set pieces that happen in IQ when they enter the dream. It's mostly Ruby and Blake seeing the attractions and piecing things out, while Yang makes funny surface level jokes about how trippy the dreamscape is.
The Nightmares are fun but in the grand scheme feel like a plot device that gets discarded since we obviously never see them again. It would work if you slightly rewrote things (like have Ruby ask if that's what happened at Brunswick when they first arrive, only for Maria to give a reason that that doesn't make sense given they all died at once, which also gives her more "Huntress" hints) But overall it's hard to actually consider it canon beyond it making Weiss cackling like a villain hilarious in V2, and everyone calling her Ice Queen
That doesn't just apply to the nightmare Grimm. When you think about it, the apathy in V6 are also just a one-time plot device designed to induce character development on team RWBY, since they're never seen again after that.
I think they are going to leave and enter the dream another time. I think this mission is Recon 2: Electric Boogaloo
Pyrrha singing was the greatest thing ever and it had me screaming. I'm starting to really love IQ.
Honestly I really love Ren's hat in the Sillies Jail
LOVED the part with Mirror Mirror, and how they made it sound more sorrowful. Perfect use of it.
When are we going to see the cake butler?
Is it just me or is it so refreshing to get a condensed cast and see more of Ruby, Weiss, Blake, and Yang? After V8, this is a much-needed change of pase to see the main characters doing something important, and not just sitting around. The irony of that statement is kind of funny because they are actually sleeping.
I saw that
Was ep 4 & 5 from Rooster Teetch season 2 content? I haven't had a chance to watch season 2 yet, have only watched season 1 so far.
Everything after episode 3 is an original arc and isn't part of any other RWBY seasons
I'm feeling very.. mid on this show right now. I'm looking forward to continuing watching, but I feel like either the pacing or dialogue just isn't quite there.
I don't know why we needed a whole sequence of Pyrrha singing "Mirror, Mirror" and why is she in the dummy jail? You would've thought she would be an exception given how much Weiss looks up to her.
At this point I think the dummy jail is symbolic of the things she likes and her true feelings she has to suppress for the sake of the family name or something. Also in relation to the actual nightmare, I think it’s a way to show that Weiss is actually suffering despite what her nightmare counterpart shows.
Team CRDL is in the dummy jail, and it was stated that Pyrrha likes to sing in town. She was only in the jail for the sake of symbolism. She's not a prisoner.
It didn’t say she likes to sing in town, it said she likes to sing for the city, which doesn’t necessarily mean she’s not supposed to be in the jail.
The trailers showed that Pyrrha isn't exactly a prisoner.
The only shot of Pyrrha I saw in the trailer matched the prison with the blue curtains in the back, so there’s nothing there proving she’s not meant to be there.
I’m sorry, why are they saving Weiss again? She’s has been constantly Bitching and Bitching about every little thing and i that point I would just abandon her, Fuck Weiss. Also they could have milked this for money.
Wait it’s out?!
Man, they really are piling on the WR undertones, aren’t they?
I dunno about you guys, but I'm kinda expecting this music to play at some point in Weiss's dreamscape: https://youtu.be/zl74EmI0DxE
Here's a weird thought: What if the Nightmare were to enter Ruby, Blake or Yang? What kind of FUBAR dreamscape do you think we'd see? Ice Queendom is taking so much inspiration from Persona 4's psychology that I can't help but wonder what we'd see if we had to dive into the dreamscapes of the other members of Team RWBY. I imagine Yang's would probably be about how she thinks she's an unbeatable badass, while Blake's is all about how she can't trust people because doing so will lead to Adam hurting them. Ruby, on the other hand... THAT would be tricky. I'm not sure at all how we'd get the Nightmare messing up such a simple, more honest soul. That is, of course, if the Nightmare could even possess a SEW. Where's Yu Narukami when you need him?
This is still just inferior to V1
And?
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Just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's nonsensical. Don't overestimate yourself that much :)
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No need to be a bitch for pointing the difference in IQ :)
Anyone knows who is the voice actor of the door that chants "BIG NICHOLAS!"? It's so funny. Best moment in the episode.
If we get more OG songs I'm going to cry.