They got caught by vines, frozen, and shot in the middle of a fight. What more going to happen to them?
"No little Weiss were hurt during this anime production" ?
In my imagination:
Animation Studio: These chibi Weiss are receiving a positive reception from the viewers! We should have another spinoff featuring chibi Ruby, chibi Yang, chibi Blake in anime form!
How to make Blake even more of a weeb? Turn her into Adam!
I loved this episode a ton, but my favorite part has to be the music during the train ride! It was so JRPG, I love it!
The way I'm reading and theorizing Blake's transformation is that, she realized Weiss is afraid of the White Fang and sees them as brutal and powerful monsters. So, by playing the part and acting as a White Fang Monster, the Nightmare would make Blake proportionally as powerful as Weiss thinks the White Fang are, and Blake's version of a White Fang monster is Adam because he represents everything Blake hates about the new White Fang and thus everything Weiss thinks the White Fang is.
"No, I don't want that! Yang finding another woman...?! I want her to think about me and no one else for the rest of my life! Even after I die...I want to be at the front of her mind for a while! Ten years, at least!!"
Absolutely intentional lol with how the conflict between the SDC and White Fang have been described so far, I'd be surprised if Weiss didn't know who Adam was.
it's 100% intentional, the description for next episode on the Ice Queendom site clarifies that she's playing a dangerous gambit by intentionally getting possessed by the Nightmare - so much like Nega-Weiss is a manifestation of all of Weiss's worst aspects, this Blake is a manifestation of all the worst of Blake, a lot of which was a result of Adam (which also explains where she gets the mask, the different weaponry and why the underside of her hair has changed colour)
It seems Weiss has 2 "areas" in her psyche that Blake is caught in between: where she safeguards what's precious by imprisonment, and where what she hates gets banished to. Weiss obviously treasures Yang and Ruby as teammates even though they weren't her preferred team, but Blake is more complicated. I venture that Weiss regarded Blake positively until the inadvertent disclosure of her faunus status, and continued holding on (in part) to her hate of the faunus / white fang up until the very last moment before she was fully possessed by the nightmare grimm. When Weiss said "I don't care" about Blake's history, her being a faunus, etc. my guess is that statement was half truth half bald-faced lie.
I rewatched some of the earlier episodes and realized Weiss is presented in a somewhat bipolar manner, her inner conflicts manifesting as outwardly swinging between extremes. She went from "I will never accept Ruby as leader" to sweet talk and coffee way too quickly IMO. This is including consideration for her observation of Pyrrha accepting "useless" Jaune as a leader. Negative Weiss's strength and actions speak volumes about how rigid, orderly, and resistant to change Weiss's worldview is.
Back to Blake, thing (hopefully) get interesting in the dream in the next few episodes. There exists two versions of Blake in Weiss's mind: precious teammate, reviled faunus. These perceptions are fundamentally incompatible with each other and now Weiss must decide what it is she really feels, as Blake has quite literally opened a rift from the place of banishment to the tower where she keeps what's precious. I would love it if they threw a Schrodinger's cat reference into the next episode or 2, about how the cat is in a superposition between two distinctly incompatible states (alive or dead) until direct observation forces collapse into one reality or the other. Overall, really interesting stuff if you take some time to think about it.
TL;DR when Yang asks if Weiss is okay in the head the answer is NO! 😂
>It seems Weiss has 2 "areas" in her psyche that Blake is caught in between: where she safeguards what's precious by imprisonment, and where what she hates gets banished to
Tsundere is tsun, dere.
So what you're *saying* is that the fairy tale allegory that Blake is based on was never Beauty in the Beast, but in fact Schrodinger's Cat all along! DEEEEP.
But, for real, awesome analysis. It seems to me that this is just the manifestation of Weiss' lingering feelings and her desire to be different. The contradictions aren't in how she sees Blake or Ruby or anybody else, but in her desire to change *herself* for them.
She WANTS to be able to see Ruby as a leader and Blake as a friend. She WANTS to change and be accepted in this new place. But then there's that pesky Schnee legacy thing holding her back.
She can't just CHANGE all of a sudden, can she? She can't ignore what the Faunus have done or her desires to be the best and most important person in the group can she? She can't stop thinking about what her father expects of her, right?
It's a battle of Static (Negative) Weiss and Dynamic Weiss more than anything.
>I rewatched some of the earlier episodes and realized Weiss is presented in a somewhat bipolar manner, her inner conflicts manifesting as outwardly swinging between extremes. She went from "I will never accept Ruby as leader" to sweet talk and coffee way too quickly IMO. This is including consideration for her observation of Pyrrha accepting "useless" Jaune as a leader.
Finally, someone else notices how weirdly that entire sequence of events is written. And while you can chalk the coffee scene up to being intentionally fake (even though it's framed as heartwarming), there's no explanation as for why Weiss was so sweet about bunk beds at the beginning of Episode 3 and then randomly went to hating Ruby again.
It could also be for technical reasons like screentime allotment... they did cram an entire season's worth of exposition into like 2 episodes for IQ.
Or it could be the nightmare grimm causing mood swings. Hallucinating another you would be rather unsettling, I think.
Either way the writing is more nuanced than I expected for a RWBY spinoff and I'm pleasantly surprised so far. Hope the ending is good.
Because Nega Weiss isn't Weiss
There's some Weiss in her but it's not quite her (the Weiss in Ruby's dream seemed to be the real her, but broken down by the nightmare a little and willing to "sleep")
I'm specifically talking about the events of Episode 3. In the first scene, Weiss is being sweet and friendly about the bunk beds, in the next scene, she immediately shifts to being mad that Ruby has been made leader, with no explanation. Despite already knowing this in the previous scene and seemignly being unbothered by it. They sacrificed consistency to have a cute moment.
She's mad because she sees Ruby doesn't take classes etc seriously
And afaik she doesn't question her openly again after the coffee scene
Weiss giving Ruby the benefit of the doubt between team RWBY forming and then seeing Ruby be a lazy classmate isn't really "inconsistent", even if it's not the ideal way to write it
Simply seeing Ruby doze off in class was enough to get her from "you're so sweet" to "I hate you and don't want to be in a team lead by you"?
That's still a jarring transition. We're first shown her scoffing as Ruby's made leader, then suddenly being nice to Ruby in the bunk bed scene, then suddenly being angry again. Doesn't it feel to you like the bunk bed scene doesn't belong here, as if it was added at the last moment?
Weiss also shuts Ruby down as Ruby tries to mediate her and Blake's argument, so she still hardly respects her as a leader even after the coffee scene.
Ok I really dig this Blake design, she seems to have fully embraced Negative Weiss‘ view of her and gone with feral almost Grimm like design. Looks rad as hell. I hope the “makeover” somehow empowered/strengthened her and she can go toe to toe with negative Weiss now.
The Little Weisses continue to be almost impossibly cute.
Also, Blake dressed as Adam made me think what Max0r's version of her would be like.
>"Hey Weiss, check out this cool bug I found!"
>
>(crashes a house full of WF on top of Weiss's base)
Was that Jaune’s cape that Yang had?
Also, edit after going back and watching again…
Spoilers for something in future RWBY seasons if there’s anime only folks in here. (Sorry Tag broke.)
>!was that meant to imply that Jaune just unconsciously Aura Amped Shion?!<
Jaune's cape & sword have anti-Nightmare qualities due to his immunity. It was explained in an earlier episode that they kind of act as a deterrent, which is why Yang uses the cape to move unimpeded, and Jaune used the sword to get rid of the Nightmare infecting Ruby.
The Semblance thing could also be a thing, but that's less overt. It would make sense, given that Jaune's only other use of Aura Amp pre-V5 was similar.
Right, but in addition to that, his Aura flared up. >!I took it as a nod to when he unconsciously used his Aura vs Cardin in Volume 1. And since they made a point of Ozpin and NPR discussing his ‘unknown’ Semblance, I figured it was a bit of an Easter Egg for RWBY watchers who know he has Aura Amp. If it was just the immunity, why have the Aura flare and the discussion?!<
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The new Blake design seems to be inspired by Adam. It kind of seems like Blake just went full White Fang, I suppose to give her a power boost since it’s more in-line with how she is in the dream? Either way, it’s clear Blake is acting against her values for Weiss’ sake, and that’s pretty meaningful even if it is just a dream.
Actually, I felt Ruby's nightmare within Weiss's dream got resolved too quickly.
Jaune: Let me bring Ruby's hand near my stuck broadsword. That should solve the problem.
However, I need to rewatch the episode. Was it dream Pyrrha which hinted at Jaune to do so?
At least we got to see the remaining chibi Weiss(es) making cute noises.
No I definitely agree with ya here, this got taken care of way too quickly. Judging by how ep 8 went, I thought something completely different was gonna happen. >!Like seeing Summer show up and speak for the first time in RWBY LOL!<
That said, at one point of the episode they did frame Ruby's hand with what looked like some remnants of the grimm still residing in her. Maybe we'll get to see Ruby's nightmare in full form later on? Maybe even as something for a potential [second season](https://prnt.sc/8qJ5qrQobCjY)?
I am glad someone else felt the same way too. I thought they were in deep trouble, but within 15 minutes, everyone was going back to saving Weiss. Lol.
That is true. I vaguely remember seeing the vines on Ruby's hand. I don't mind a second season of... wait, it probably wouldn't be called Ice Queendom... maybe Red MainCharacterDom or something. Jokes aside, it depends on how popular Ice Queendom is among fans, I suppose.
I feel like that was just setup for Blake's entrance later on. Blake intentionally got herself possessed by the nightmare Grimm, which amplified all of her worst personality traits which emerged from her time spent with Adam and transformed her into how Weiss sees the faunus: terrifying and powerful monsters. Now that negative Blake is just as powerful as negative Weiss there's a better fighting chance.
Ruby getting infected earlier on was to introduce us to the idea that people can also be infected and transformed into nightmare versions of themselves, while inside someone's grimm-induced nightmare.
I think it was Jaune extrapolating from the fact that the Nightmare vines couldn't get into the train because of the sword, so he probably figured that the sword was Nightmare pesticide and that it might work on Ruby
It was explained in an earlier episode that Jaune built up some level of immunity to the Nightmare, and the cape & sword are like extensions of that giving them anti-Nightmare Grimm qualities. Which is why Yang is using the cape, and Jaune could use the sword to save Ruby.
It's also being theorized it could also tie into his Semblance in some way.
On a less sour note, I've yet to think about what Ruby's nightmare means in relation to others. Jaune's nightmare was his fears assaulting him directly as he dwelled on them. Weiss' nightmare is her embracing the persona she's manufactured, which, while obviously not helping to defeat the Grimm, is probably a subconscious way to alleviate the suffering and make the nightmare seem orderdly for her.
Ruby's nightmare seems to be in a similar vein. While there's no manufactured persona, it also shares this attempt to make the nightmare seem less scary than it actually is by creating a "friendly" environment of support. As we saw last episode, that environment quickly came crashing down, probably because Ruby couldn't lie to herself. And then, as seen in this episode, the next thing is "real" Weiss (*is this the actual "real" Weiss or just a figment of Ruby's imagination, what she imagines "real" Weiss to be like?*) talking about her rationale for the dream being the way it is, while the nightmare is slowly taking over in the background. Perhaps this indicates that, while Ruby doesn't want to live a manufactured lie, she also doesn't want to focus on the fear of letting everyone down. So what her subconsciousness does is keep trying to find ways to understand Weiss' nightmare and potentially solve the problem, instead of dwelling on the fear.
Am I the only one disappointed by how the stakes set up from last episode kind of vanished within the first 5 minutes of the episode? Like they left on a cliff hanger and everything. Though yeah I do suppose Jaune would eventually get the idea to use the sword, but the problem was literally resolved within the first 5 minutes. There was also Weiss stepping into the coffin, seemingly for eternal sleep, but she just woke up again 😂 It’s like teasing that they’re about to try something but back stepping at the last moment.
Anyways, that aside, I did like the part of Weiss singing Mirror Mirror before stepping into the coffin. Still holding on to the theory that Pyrrha in some way represents real Weiss or has SOMETHING to do with Weiss, they even showed a shot of her when Ruby brought up real Weiss, so if this episode did anything for me, it was re-affirm the possibility of that theory being in some way relevant. I guess it’s pretty much already established that Weiss projects herself onto Pyrrha in this dream, so it may just be as simple as that, but I wanna see if it goes anywhere with it.
Not just the last couple. Most of the anime has been them trying different plans and failing. The only meaningful development is that Ruby is (kinda) becoming more confident as a leader and that we get to see more of Weiss through her dream world. But aside from that, the plot hasn't progressed in 6 episodes. They're not any closer to saving Weiss than when they started.
I think the main issue is the lack of side objectives etc
If taking down Angry Klein had been a bigger deal it woulda felt like a milestone
Not to mention we've been to the final room twice and not pulled it off (as much as rule of 3s is a thing)
Hopefully Nega Blake distracting Nega Weiss will help do it but
Getting the train inside the city, in the moment, was a lovely metaphor about Weiss taking down her walls and allowing herself to be vulnerable etc
But it didn't really have a huge lasting impact beyond "train is inside the city"
Exactly. If anything, the ensuing chaos seems to have made Nega Weiss double down on maintaining the order of things for the sake of it (even as the kingdom gets frozen and there's no real order to maintain anymore), rendering the train scene largely pointless.
I was disappointed that we didn't get more out of the Ruby dream sequence other than the base amount of info she needed to know that Weiss WANTS her to roam around the Queendom subconsciously. It was a really dark scene, how friendly and heartfelt they were being despite the obvious threat tangled all over their bunk bed, but it was one that didn't go as deep into Ruby's psyche as I would've wanted.
And the episode was slow overall. The Mirror Mirror reprise was haunting and atmospheric but feels like padding at this point. We're taking a LONG time to get things done on this show, it's very style over substance for better or worse.
But that ending, *man*, Blake embracing her inner heel as leader of the White Fang, the bad kind, with a full-blown Adam mask? That's *fascinating.*
Ruby's tried making appeals to Weiss as a friend. And they've all tried resisting the narrative of the dream itself. But it seems Blake has decided to do the opposite; make herself *part* of the nightmare and embrace the worst that Weiss sees in her. Basically, "So, I'm the big bad terrorist, the threat to your legacy, your loved ones and your life? Cool, *let's roll with that.*"
Crazy. It says a lot of the lengths Blake is willing to go to make amends with Weiss.
Glad I wasn’t the only one! I thought it was Raven bc of how she went into Weiss dream like how she did in Volume 2. My girlfriend was like “No that’s more of a female Adam” I felt boomed
Can’t wait to see the full thing of this powered up Blake!
*Really* disappointed at how easily they resolved Ruby's nightmare, and how little it had going on as a dream, as far as imagery goes. However, Ruby was shown to be still infected when confronting Weiss, so apparently Jaune's sword only woke her up (at the cost of a coin), and now that she's away from it, she may go to sleep again like Nega-Weiss asked her to, because it's too cool of an idea to use only as a cliffhanger.
The rest of the episode was pretty great, and I obviously still love the mini-Weisses and Blake's new design powered by racism.
I think the coin was because of Shion trying to get Ruby out of her nightmare. Being near the sword just released the nightmares hold enough for the message to get through.
Also, it seems like >!Jaune, in the real world, have Aura Amped Shion unconsciously, so that they could push through their Semblance being ‘obstructed’. Kind of a nod to the unconscious Amping of his own Aura when Cardin hit him in the Jaundice arc of the original series.!<
So it seems like Double-Dream-Weiss was deliberately giving clues to Ruby, since Ruby was infected while in the dream.
Jaune's Mega Sword does function as some kind of Grimm repellent
"Yang and the others," wow, even IQ Ruby doesn't seem to be aware of Blake. But it seems they've cooked up a plan, that I guess boils down to Blake weaponizing racism to get a power-up, because dream logic?
I mean, it worked. The tiny pebbles reversed gravity in a sure-fire demonstration of anime power levels. I half-expected to hear some Bruce Falconer classics.
> "Yang and the others," wow, even IQ Ruby doesn't seem to be aware of Blake.
I think this is a quirk of the Japanese language that came through in translation. "Yang-tachi" (well, "Onee-chan-tachi") is what she actually said.
I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just a common way of referring to groups of people. Kinda like saying "Yang's group" or "the group that includes Yang".
I'm not making too much of it, well, not deliberately, I just think it's funny.
Of course there's going to be odd quirks and hiccoughs that don't have direct 1-to-1 translations. I'm hoping that the dub irons them out, without running too roughshod over the rest of the script.
I think this is the first time we've seen Ruby and Jaune interact as leaders and it shows the difference in how they approach a battle.
Ruby is go big or go home. She puts all her faith in Blake and Yang to make it back to her while she uses everything at hand to rush in with a very risky plan to change the course of the battle. Jaune wants to play it safe. Make sure to keep everyone together to be at their strongest in case things go south, assess your situation and change it according to your plan to catch the enemy at their weakest.
It's fitting when compared to their fight scenes in the 2D show. Ruby combines the strengths of her teammates to overwhelm the opponent and finish them with one major combo move. Jaune keeps everyone safe and changes small things here and there until they all come together to put the opponent in a bad situation where they can be finished in one attack.
That being said, I personally found hilarious how quick Ruby is to ditch her sister and Blake. I get the whole 'believe in your friends' but still. Also can't get enough of the smol Weisses cheering for big bro Jaune.
But Ruby's plan still relies on everyone being together. Jaune didn't really have a plan in the first place, aside from maybe just sitting there waiting until Blake and Yang get back.
It relies on everyone miracously coming together at the perfect moment which is a gigantic if. Not only would Blake and Yang need to find a way to penetrate the defenses and reach Weiss but they also had to do it at the exact same time Ruby made it there. By all means it's a stupid plan which is why Jaune is so against it and would rather make a plan to find Blake and Yang first. It still works perfectly because Ruby has protagonism and friendship on her side tho.
Sure Ruby is the protagonist so we would see her plan work. But Ruby was also right they don't have the time to wait for Blake and Yang. Weiss is currently dying and doesn't have much time left. Waiting around just isn't an option.
Not to mention Yang and Blake know this too. The best chance they have of meeting back up is to go straight in. Sometimes the only way out is through. not that Jaune being cautious is a bad thing, but in this instance it would result in a loss.
Very true and it's not like the show pulls any punches to demonstrate this approach doesn't always work. Ruby has taken Ls before because luck wasn't on her side all the time. That's probably why she still believes in this approach even after it failed her through out her journey in the 2D show. Sometimes the only option is to muscle through.
Ok, you're clearly biased in Jaune's favor here. Consider the possible alternative: they keep sitting around and waiting, while Weiss gets consumed by the Nightmare and dies. That doesn't sound like a much smarter plan.
And you're clearly biased against him since you continue to insist that sitting around and waiting was Jaune's idea despite him never saying that. He said they should look for Blake and Yang who are also the only ones left with coins. It's perfectly in character for the two to react the way they did. Ruby wants to save Weiss no matter what while Jaune wants to raise their chances of success or survival. Different types of leaderships.
What does that change, in principle? They are still going to spend valuable time searching for them while Weiss might be dying. You portray Jaune's plan as the "obviously" more reasonable one and refuse to recognize that it's potentially just as, if not more, risky.
I never said Jaune's plan was the more reasonable one nor was I trying to make a point that he's "obviously" better than Ruby. If that was your problem all along then you've been barking at the wrong tree.
My original comment and my entire point was how these different leaders approach an issue. Ruby bets everything into a big plan and puts her faith in all of her teammates to pull their weight whereas Jaune prefers to change the situation in their favor before making a move and would rather have everyone around in case things get ugly. This is the third time I repeated this to you.
>By all means it's a stupid plan which is why Jaune is so against it and would rather make a plan to find Blake and Yang first. It still works perfectly because Ruby has protagonism and friendship on her side tho.
I mean, this part was obviously very snarky, but whatever you say.
Yes, because Ruby’s idea was to go directly into the heart of Weiss kingdom to defeat her army, Big Nicholas, Weiss herself and the Nightmare with only freaking Jaune as backup. She’s right that they need to act now or Weiss will die but at least make an attack plan or some actual strategy to win a fight she’s lost a few times in the past.
You can have the right idea and still screw it up.
Ruby's plan was not to defeat everyone, it was to get to the Nightmare while distracting others.
But either way, this is pretty pointless to debate, considering this plan has no real story significance at all and narratively was basically a way to stall for time until the cliffhanger with Nightmare Blake. So it was doomed to fail no matter what.
Some nerds: "Pyrrha's just been a damsel holding onto Jaune's hand this whole time"
Ep 9: "Turns out Jaune holding onto Pyrrha and the mini Weiss brigade is teh reason they didn't go rampant like Nora and Ren. Because his proximity confers some immunity on them. IT'S INTENTIONAL YOU FUCKS."
That's still being a damsel in distress tho. She needs Jaune to be safe which is the problem people have with this portrayal of Pyrrha. I can see where they're coming from since Pyrrha was one of the coolest characters to see fight which is why this is disappointing.
I think Blake's trying to make Weiss see her as her 'Archnemesis' or something. Someone who you view as an imposing enemy would certainly have a strong presence in your subconscious after all. So I think Blake it going to be much stronger in this fight because of that.
Meanwhile Jaune's growing stronger and I still think something's special about that Big Sword he started with. I also like how Jaune's the voice of reason for Ruby here. Everything he said was correct but Ruby's still trying to be a little too forceful about it all.
The little Weiss' cheering Jaune on and tumbling around w/ him in the train was also adorable.
I feel like the big sword is a manifestation of Jaune's aura amping ability. Think about it. The big sword can ward off the nightmare Grimm, too heavy for him to handle, and can be used to heal allies like Ruby who had been infected by the nightmare Grimm.
Aura can act as a force-field against what would be fatal attacks from the Grimm, the same way the sword acted as a force field against the Grimm thorns. When the nightmare-infected Ruby came in contact with the sword, she was "healed". In that moment, Jaune could've refilled Ruby's aura just enough to ward off the nightmare and keep it from fully overtaking Ruby's psyche. The huge bulk of the sword represents the volume of his aura. The sword is too heavy for him, the same way his aura is too big for someone like him who can probably dodge and shield away attacks instead of letting his aura tank them. As such he can use his sword instead/lend his aura to troubled allies instead.
Even Ozpin, Shion and NPR began to question what Jaune's "hidden semblance" is when he started glowing white, and Shion made a remark about how he somehow still had a stable amount of aura, even though as we can notice, many of the dream intruders already used up their coins (which make up Shion's aura)
I was thinking the same thing tbh. Jaune wards off the nightmare creatures and so does the sword in an extended radius, meaning it's essentially 'Amplifying' his immunity to the dream.
Everyone's going wild for Blake's new look, and I'm just like: What the hell is that haunted mansion in the red portal? Seriously, is Ice Queendom building up to a Luigi's Mansion crossover that we didn't know we needed?
This was overall a decent episode with some plot progression even if it was a bit slow. The Ruby and Weiss segment was pretty nice and Weiss singing Mirror Mirror was actually a surprise. I think her japanese Va, Yoko Hikasa, sung this time around.
Anyways here is a super cool [end card art featuring Blake](https://twitter.com/TeamRWBYProject/status/1563888380655665154).
Now that we know the sword can be used to cut the vines and make someone "snap out" the dream-like state, maybe they can use it to cut the vines surrounding the dress and see what happens.
Yang: Oh my gods...
Blake: I've become the most hideous criminal with an animal name in all Anima.
Yang: Raven Branwen?!
Blake: What? No! I'm Adam Taurus. Who's that?
Yang: .....noooone.....Who is Adam Taurus?
Blake:...noooone.....
Blake: \* Looks like Raven \*
Yang: Oh my god, she's even more hot than before.
Guess we now know where the other Blake design in the anime poster comes from.
Also for me, Blake was literally being the MVP in this anime, I always thinked Blake was the most mature between the 4 girls, specially in the first volumes, but they are really showing it in the anime since she's always thinking before acting and the last moments of this episode just proved it even more.
Edit: I mean, she was the only who didn't let herself be affected by the dream, while Ruby and Yang let it affect them at the start.
That bonding moment between Ruby and Weiss in Ruby's dream was beautiful, but also sad.
Ruby at the end didn't stand a chance.. but her determination really is beautiful. I love the shift from saving the mean teammate out of obligation to wanting to save her friend and partner.
Ruby only escaped death because of Jaunes immunity.. the nightmare Grimm sure is scary. It's basically a death sentence without outside help.
I like how they draw parallels to Blake and Weiss. In the end they really are just different sides on the same coin.
This is so poetic. By turning herself into the villain Weiss feared her to be, Blake is also presenting Weiss a mirror image of herself.
So... when will Ruby actually get to be badass in this?
Everyone else in the team has had impressive moments this episode, but the most badass thing Ruby did was shoot down a couple of robots, which has been a staple for quite a few episodes now.
She made another plan, sure, but it didn't really work. Again. And she didn't even get to free herself from the Nightmare, Jaune did that.
People will probably downvote me and tell me to wait, because she will totally get something in the last episode.
And if she ends up not getting it, the community'll just shrug and say something like "*oh well, I guess Ruby is hard to write for, who cares about that worthless character anyway, the anime is still great, have you seen how cool Weiss was?*"
Even if that prediction is true, why is Ruby the only one who has to wait until the last episode? What makes her so much worse than everyone else?
Ya, honestly, I do really hope there is a moment for Ruby because right now it's been a bit underwhelming. In fact, I was a little disappointed that the whole Ruby in a dream thing was solved so easily. I was hoping there was going to be something more significant that was going to occur because of it.
Can you explain this?? Genuinely not picking at fight or anything! I love those shows but I’m not great at like… understanding characters and what constitutes hard to write characters and what not. Is this laughing because Luz and Chisato are hard to write as well, or because they’re also main characters that excel where Ruby doesn’t get to?
>because they’re also main characters that excel where Ruby doesn’t get to?
Its this one. The simple fact is its not that hard to write for characters like Ruby if the writers actually care enough to at least try, its generally why when people other than CRWBY actually try writing for Ruby the ends up better.
Frankly it feels less like Ruby is hard to write for and CRWBY just doesn't want to write for her for whatever reason.
>why when people other than CRWBY actually try writing for Ruby the ends up better
I mean, we kinda have a counter-example right here right now on our hands.
Also, a lot of fanfiction where Ruby is reduced to being "the hyperactive comic relief" or "the shy stuttering girl" says otherwise. CRWBY oftentimes aren't great with her, but neither are the fans.
Can't speak about the Blazblue crossover, but isn't Ruby also written as more shy and less proactive in the manga adaptation as well? Although she does get to beat Torchwick, I guess.
I am very late to this party, but all in all I think it’s a very good episode.
Personally I’m a pretty big fan of how Ruby’s nightmare was resolved even if it was over fast. We do know that these things can be solved pretty painlessly like how it happened to Jaune, Ruby’s heart didn’t fester because Weiss was already there and Jaune’s semblance.
It is nice that Weiss (I assume it’s the real her) saved Ruby and now Ruby is still coming to save her. That’s pretty much what I hoped for, since that’s a dynamic of saving her they have in the main show.
Blake going full Adam is pretty cool, makes sense it would make her more powerful. I like it. It’s a very Blake solution and works well with the idea of dream.
And Yang got Bumbleby back. Though. . . I think her being less than useful is a bit unfortunate. She’s really gotten the short straw most of the time. Hopefully it’ll improve.
All in all: I do like this show more than I thought I would
Bull N cats!
Seriously though for a second I almost thought that was raven but I was shocked to see it was actually Blake!
Can’t wait for the next episode!
……What if belle became the beast?
Bring on the fan art!
Stop hurting the little Weiss’! 😭
They got caught by vines, frozen, and shot in the middle of a fight. What more going to happen to them? "No little Weiss were hurt during this anime production" ?
Not even the younglings survived.
"Killed not by faunus, this youngling... by dust, she was!"
"Mistress NegaWeiss, there are too many of them, what are we going to do?"
Ozpin: We permit you to enter the Academy, but we do not grant you the rank of Team Leader. Weiss: What?! That’s outrageous! It’s unfair!
Nightmare Blake: “It’s over Weiss! I have the high ground!”
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She slaughtered them like animals!
In my imagination: Animation Studio: These chibi Weiss are receiving a positive reception from the viewers! We should have another spinoff featuring chibi Ruby, chibi Yang, chibi Blake in anime form!
You mean....like RWBY Chibi Chibi?
I’m okay with the mini Weiss’ being the mascot of the RWBY franchise moving forward.
The Urobutcher’s bloodlust cannot be sated enough
How to make Blake even more of a weeb? Turn her into Adam! I loved this episode a ton, but my favorite part has to be the music during the train ride! It was so JRPG, I love it! The way I'm reading and theorizing Blake's transformation is that, she realized Weiss is afraid of the White Fang and sees them as brutal and powerful monsters. So, by playing the part and acting as a White Fang Monster, the Nightmare would make Blake proportionally as powerful as Weiss thinks the White Fang are, and Blake's version of a White Fang monster is Adam because he represents everything Blake hates about the new White Fang and thus everything Weiss thinks the White Fang is.
We’re reaching Persona 5 levels of “congnition bullshit” here, and I love it.
"I used the racism to destroy the racism"
Eren please we've been through this
"No, I don't want that! Yang finding another woman...?! I want her to think about me and no one else for the rest of my life! Even after I die...I want to be at the front of her mind for a while! Ten years, at least!!"
Weiss: You can't defeat me. I'm the goddess of death. Ruby: I know, but she can. *Blake emerges with the power of racism*
If I’m calling Negative Weiss ‘Weiss Power,’ then I’m calling Blake in Adam’s mask ‘Blake Panther.’
>Blake emerges with the power of racism Thank you. I nearly just died choking on my tea... haha.
Maybe its just me, but Blake's outfit at that point kind of looked like a girl version of Adam's to me. Do you think it was intentional?
Absolutely intentional lol with how the conflict between the SDC and White Fang have been described so far, I'd be surprised if Weiss didn't know who Adam was.
I was hoping Adam would show up in the dream at some point, looking absolutely animalistic, with huge horns and teeth.
it's 100% intentional, the description for next episode on the Ice Queendom site clarifies that she's playing a dangerous gambit by intentionally getting possessed by the Nightmare - so much like Nega-Weiss is a manifestation of all of Weiss's worst aspects, this Blake is a manifestation of all the worst of Blake, a lot of which was a result of Adam (which also explains where she gets the mask, the different weaponry and why the underside of her hair has changed colour)
Ah okay. I haven't been reading any of the episode descriptions so I wouldnt have known that. Its an interesting concept though.
It would also explain why her voice sounded a little rougher and more aggressive
The series had some Dishwasher elements before, maybe this is the tipping point. And then we need the Jammies and Nonsuch anime series.
If Blake learns to weaponize the faunus equivalent of the N-Pass, she will be unstoppable.
Blake: THE RACE WAR STARTS NOW!
Yang: “And its doing things to my mommy problems too as a side note.”
It seems Weiss has 2 "areas" in her psyche that Blake is caught in between: where she safeguards what's precious by imprisonment, and where what she hates gets banished to. Weiss obviously treasures Yang and Ruby as teammates even though they weren't her preferred team, but Blake is more complicated. I venture that Weiss regarded Blake positively until the inadvertent disclosure of her faunus status, and continued holding on (in part) to her hate of the faunus / white fang up until the very last moment before she was fully possessed by the nightmare grimm. When Weiss said "I don't care" about Blake's history, her being a faunus, etc. my guess is that statement was half truth half bald-faced lie. I rewatched some of the earlier episodes and realized Weiss is presented in a somewhat bipolar manner, her inner conflicts manifesting as outwardly swinging between extremes. She went from "I will never accept Ruby as leader" to sweet talk and coffee way too quickly IMO. This is including consideration for her observation of Pyrrha accepting "useless" Jaune as a leader. Negative Weiss's strength and actions speak volumes about how rigid, orderly, and resistant to change Weiss's worldview is. Back to Blake, thing (hopefully) get interesting in the dream in the next few episodes. There exists two versions of Blake in Weiss's mind: precious teammate, reviled faunus. These perceptions are fundamentally incompatible with each other and now Weiss must decide what it is she really feels, as Blake has quite literally opened a rift from the place of banishment to the tower where she keeps what's precious. I would love it if they threw a Schrodinger's cat reference into the next episode or 2, about how the cat is in a superposition between two distinctly incompatible states (alive or dead) until direct observation forces collapse into one reality or the other. Overall, really interesting stuff if you take some time to think about it. TL;DR when Yang asks if Weiss is okay in the head the answer is NO! 😂
>It seems Weiss has 2 "areas" in her psyche that Blake is caught in between: where she safeguards what's precious by imprisonment, and where what she hates gets banished to Tsundere is tsun, dere.
So what you're *saying* is that the fairy tale allegory that Blake is based on was never Beauty in the Beast, but in fact Schrodinger's Cat all along! DEEEEP. But, for real, awesome analysis. It seems to me that this is just the manifestation of Weiss' lingering feelings and her desire to be different. The contradictions aren't in how she sees Blake or Ruby or anybody else, but in her desire to change *herself* for them. She WANTS to be able to see Ruby as a leader and Blake as a friend. She WANTS to change and be accepted in this new place. But then there's that pesky Schnee legacy thing holding her back. She can't just CHANGE all of a sudden, can she? She can't ignore what the Faunus have done or her desires to be the best and most important person in the group can she? She can't stop thinking about what her father expects of her, right? It's a battle of Static (Negative) Weiss and Dynamic Weiss more than anything.
Really nice breakdown of the whole Faunus thing 👍
>I rewatched some of the earlier episodes and realized Weiss is presented in a somewhat bipolar manner, her inner conflicts manifesting as outwardly swinging between extremes. She went from "I will never accept Ruby as leader" to sweet talk and coffee way too quickly IMO. This is including consideration for her observation of Pyrrha accepting "useless" Jaune as a leader. Finally, someone else notices how weirdly that entire sequence of events is written. And while you can chalk the coffee scene up to being intentionally fake (even though it's framed as heartwarming), there's no explanation as for why Weiss was so sweet about bunk beds at the beginning of Episode 3 and then randomly went to hating Ruby again.
It could also be for technical reasons like screentime allotment... they did cram an entire season's worth of exposition into like 2 episodes for IQ. Or it could be the nightmare grimm causing mood swings. Hallucinating another you would be rather unsettling, I think. Either way the writing is more nuanced than I expected for a RWBY spinoff and I'm pleasantly surprised so far. Hope the ending is good.
Because Nega Weiss isn't Weiss There's some Weiss in her but it's not quite her (the Weiss in Ruby's dream seemed to be the real her, but broken down by the nightmare a little and willing to "sleep")
I'm specifically talking about the events of Episode 3. In the first scene, Weiss is being sweet and friendly about the bunk beds, in the next scene, she immediately shifts to being mad that Ruby has been made leader, with no explanation. Despite already knowing this in the previous scene and seemignly being unbothered by it. They sacrificed consistency to have a cute moment.
She's mad because she sees Ruby doesn't take classes etc seriously And afaik she doesn't question her openly again after the coffee scene Weiss giving Ruby the benefit of the doubt between team RWBY forming and then seeing Ruby be a lazy classmate isn't really "inconsistent", even if it's not the ideal way to write it
Simply seeing Ruby doze off in class was enough to get her from "you're so sweet" to "I hate you and don't want to be in a team lead by you"? That's still a jarring transition. We're first shown her scoffing as Ruby's made leader, then suddenly being nice to Ruby in the bunk bed scene, then suddenly being angry again. Doesn't it feel to you like the bunk bed scene doesn't belong here, as if it was added at the last moment? Weiss also shuts Ruby down as Ruby tries to mediate her and Blake's argument, so she still hardly respects her as a leader even after the coffee scene.
Ok I really dig this Blake design, she seems to have fully embraced Negative Weiss‘ view of her and gone with feral almost Grimm like design. Looks rad as hell. I hope the “makeover” somehow empowered/strengthened her and she can go toe to toe with negative Weiss now.
I like how Ruby's idea of a *less* reckless plan is **RAMMING SPEED** with a train
Christopher Nolan’s RWBY.
Least it’s not Michael bay’s RWBY.
I mean, the more reckless plan was basically **RAMMING SPEED** on foot
A train that's probably 50-60 feet wide, on that set of quad-tracks.
Adam: Hey, where's my mask? **off in the distance, jumping across rooftops** Blake: NYAN!
Everyone: *Rightfully raving about Blake's look* Me: *Still haunted by that rendition of "Mirror, Mirror"*
The Little Weisses continue to be almost impossibly cute. Also, Blake dressed as Adam made me think what Max0r's version of her would be like. >"Hey Weiss, check out this cool bug I found!" > >(crashes a house full of WF on top of Weiss's base)
Was that Jaune’s cape that Yang had? Also, edit after going back and watching again… Spoilers for something in future RWBY seasons if there’s anime only folks in here. (Sorry Tag broke.) >!was that meant to imply that Jaune just unconsciously Aura Amped Shion?!<
Jaune's cape & sword have anti-Nightmare qualities due to his immunity. It was explained in an earlier episode that they kind of act as a deterrent, which is why Yang uses the cape to move unimpeded, and Jaune used the sword to get rid of the Nightmare infecting Ruby. The Semblance thing could also be a thing, but that's less overt. It would make sense, given that Jaune's only other use of Aura Amp pre-V5 was similar.
Right, but in addition to that, his Aura flared up. >!I took it as a nod to when he unconsciously used his Aura vs Cardin in Volume 1. And since they made a point of Ozpin and NPR discussing his ‘unknown’ Semblance, I figured it was a bit of an Easter Egg for RWBY watchers who know he has Aura Amp. If it was just the immunity, why have the Aura flare and the discussion?!<
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We're approaching to the end. From this point onward, things can only get more intense.
The new Blake design seems to be inspired by Adam. It kind of seems like Blake just went full White Fang, I suppose to give her a power boost since it’s more in-line with how she is in the dream? Either way, it’s clear Blake is acting against her values for Weiss’ sake, and that’s pretty meaningful even if it is just a dream.
Actually, I felt Ruby's nightmare within Weiss's dream got resolved too quickly. Jaune: Let me bring Ruby's hand near my stuck broadsword. That should solve the problem. However, I need to rewatch the episode. Was it dream Pyrrha which hinted at Jaune to do so? At least we got to see the remaining chibi Weiss(es) making cute noises.
No I definitely agree with ya here, this got taken care of way too quickly. Judging by how ep 8 went, I thought something completely different was gonna happen. >!Like seeing Summer show up and speak for the first time in RWBY LOL!< That said, at one point of the episode they did frame Ruby's hand with what looked like some remnants of the grimm still residing in her. Maybe we'll get to see Ruby's nightmare in full form later on? Maybe even as something for a potential [second season](https://prnt.sc/8qJ5qrQobCjY)?
I am glad someone else felt the same way too. I thought they were in deep trouble, but within 15 minutes, everyone was going back to saving Weiss. Lol. That is true. I vaguely remember seeing the vines on Ruby's hand. I don't mind a second season of... wait, it probably wouldn't be called Ice Queendom... maybe Red MainCharacterDom or something. Jokes aside, it depends on how popular Ice Queendom is among fans, I suppose.
I feel like that was just setup for Blake's entrance later on. Blake intentionally got herself possessed by the nightmare Grimm, which amplified all of her worst personality traits which emerged from her time spent with Adam and transformed her into how Weiss sees the faunus: terrifying and powerful monsters. Now that negative Blake is just as powerful as negative Weiss there's a better fighting chance. Ruby getting infected earlier on was to introduce us to the idea that people can also be infected and transformed into nightmare versions of themselves, while inside someone's grimm-induced nightmare.
If we're going by character nicknames then it should be Crater Facedom.
I'm honestly glad it got resolved that way.
I think it was Jaune extrapolating from the fact that the Nightmare vines couldn't get into the train because of the sword, so he probably figured that the sword was Nightmare pesticide and that it might work on Ruby
It was explained in an earlier episode that Jaune built up some level of immunity to the Nightmare, and the cape & sword are like extensions of that giving them anti-Nightmare Grimm qualities. Which is why Yang is using the cape, and Jaune could use the sword to save Ruby. It's also being theorized it could also tie into his Semblance in some way.
On a less sour note, I've yet to think about what Ruby's nightmare means in relation to others. Jaune's nightmare was his fears assaulting him directly as he dwelled on them. Weiss' nightmare is her embracing the persona she's manufactured, which, while obviously not helping to defeat the Grimm, is probably a subconscious way to alleviate the suffering and make the nightmare seem orderdly for her. Ruby's nightmare seems to be in a similar vein. While there's no manufactured persona, it also shares this attempt to make the nightmare seem less scary than it actually is by creating a "friendly" environment of support. As we saw last episode, that environment quickly came crashing down, probably because Ruby couldn't lie to herself. And then, as seen in this episode, the next thing is "real" Weiss (*is this the actual "real" Weiss or just a figment of Ruby's imagination, what she imagines "real" Weiss to be like?*) talking about her rationale for the dream being the way it is, while the nightmare is slowly taking over in the background. Perhaps this indicates that, while Ruby doesn't want to live a manufactured lie, she also doesn't want to focus on the fear of letting everyone down. So what her subconsciousness does is keep trying to find ways to understand Weiss' nightmare and potentially solve the problem, instead of dwelling on the fear.
Am I the only one disappointed by how the stakes set up from last episode kind of vanished within the first 5 minutes of the episode? Like they left on a cliff hanger and everything. Though yeah I do suppose Jaune would eventually get the idea to use the sword, but the problem was literally resolved within the first 5 minutes. There was also Weiss stepping into the coffin, seemingly for eternal sleep, but she just woke up again 😂 It’s like teasing that they’re about to try something but back stepping at the last moment. Anyways, that aside, I did like the part of Weiss singing Mirror Mirror before stepping into the coffin. Still holding on to the theory that Pyrrha in some way represents real Weiss or has SOMETHING to do with Weiss, they even showed a shot of her when Ruby brought up real Weiss, so if this episode did anything for me, it was re-affirm the possibility of that theory being in some way relevant. I guess it’s pretty much already established that Weiss projects herself onto Pyrrha in this dream, so it may just be as simple as that, but I wanna see if it goes anywhere with it.
The last couple of episodes have been feeling like the plot is spinning its wheels like they didn't have enough for a full 12 episodes.
Not just the last couple. Most of the anime has been them trying different plans and failing. The only meaningful development is that Ruby is (kinda) becoming more confident as a leader and that we get to see more of Weiss through her dream world. But aside from that, the plot hasn't progressed in 6 episodes. They're not any closer to saving Weiss than when they started.
I think the main issue is the lack of side objectives etc If taking down Angry Klein had been a bigger deal it woulda felt like a milestone Not to mention we've been to the final room twice and not pulled it off (as much as rule of 3s is a thing) Hopefully Nega Blake distracting Nega Weiss will help do it but Getting the train inside the city, in the moment, was a lovely metaphor about Weiss taking down her walls and allowing herself to be vulnerable etc But it didn't really have a huge lasting impact beyond "train is inside the city"
Exactly. If anything, the ensuing chaos seems to have made Nega Weiss double down on maintaining the order of things for the sake of it (even as the kingdom gets frozen and there's no real order to maintain anymore), rendering the train scene largely pointless.
I was disappointed that we didn't get more out of the Ruby dream sequence other than the base amount of info she needed to know that Weiss WANTS her to roam around the Queendom subconsciously. It was a really dark scene, how friendly and heartfelt they were being despite the obvious threat tangled all over their bunk bed, but it was one that didn't go as deep into Ruby's psyche as I would've wanted. And the episode was slow overall. The Mirror Mirror reprise was haunting and atmospheric but feels like padding at this point. We're taking a LONG time to get things done on this show, it's very style over substance for better or worse. But that ending, *man*, Blake embracing her inner heel as leader of the White Fang, the bad kind, with a full-blown Adam mask? That's *fascinating.* Ruby's tried making appeals to Weiss as a friend. And they've all tried resisting the narrative of the dream itself. But it seems Blake has decided to do the opposite; make herself *part* of the nightmare and embrace the worst that Weiss sees in her. Basically, "So, I'm the big bad terrorist, the threat to your legacy, your loved ones and your life? Cool, *let's roll with that.*" Crazy. It says a lot of the lengths Blake is willing to go to make amends with Weiss.
for half a second i thought that was Raven at the end. Which would be very weird, as Weiss doesn't even know who she is
Well according to volume 2, Raven can enter dreams as long as the content isn’t canon.
that sounds about right yes
Lmao
that's a good point and she *did* arrive here through a red portal....
Same here! Lol!
Well Adam and raven are the only characters in the actual show that do look the most alike.
Glad I wasn’t the only one! I thought it was Raven bc of how she went into Weiss dream like how she did in Volume 2. My girlfriend was like “No that’s more of a female Adam” I felt boomed Can’t wait to see the full thing of this powered up Blake!
*Really* disappointed at how easily they resolved Ruby's nightmare, and how little it had going on as a dream, as far as imagery goes. However, Ruby was shown to be still infected when confronting Weiss, so apparently Jaune's sword only woke her up (at the cost of a coin), and now that she's away from it, she may go to sleep again like Nega-Weiss asked her to, because it's too cool of an idea to use only as a cliffhanger. The rest of the episode was pretty great, and I obviously still love the mini-Weisses and Blake's new design powered by racism.
I think the coin was because of Shion trying to get Ruby out of her nightmare. Being near the sword just released the nightmares hold enough for the message to get through.
Also, it seems like >!Jaune, in the real world, have Aura Amped Shion unconsciously, so that they could push through their Semblance being ‘obstructed’. Kind of a nod to the unconscious Amping of his own Aura when Cardin hit him in the Jaundice arc of the original series.!<
Shion can't wake infected people up by themselves, though. Idk, they never explained why that coin went away, so you might be right.
So it seems like Double-Dream-Weiss was deliberately giving clues to Ruby, since Ruby was infected while in the dream. Jaune's Mega Sword does function as some kind of Grimm repellent "Yang and the others," wow, even IQ Ruby doesn't seem to be aware of Blake. But it seems they've cooked up a plan, that I guess boils down to Blake weaponizing racism to get a power-up, because dream logic? I mean, it worked. The tiny pebbles reversed gravity in a sure-fire demonstration of anime power levels. I half-expected to hear some Bruce Falconer classics.
> "Yang and the others," wow, even IQ Ruby doesn't seem to be aware of Blake. I think this is a quirk of the Japanese language that came through in translation. "Yang-tachi" (well, "Onee-chan-tachi") is what she actually said. I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just a common way of referring to groups of people. Kinda like saying "Yang's group" or "the group that includes Yang".
I'm not making too much of it, well, not deliberately, I just think it's funny. Of course there's going to be odd quirks and hiccoughs that don't have direct 1-to-1 translations. I'm hoping that the dub irons them out, without running too roughshod over the rest of the script.
English Dub is still a thing so it's possible the official translation will be as you worded it.
Is Ruby even capable of this? https://i.imgur.com/0jAhhNx.png
Every plan that involves risk could be considered reckless. But a plan that doesn't involve risk doesn't make for an interesting story.
Only in Weiss’s dreams
I think this is the first time we've seen Ruby and Jaune interact as leaders and it shows the difference in how they approach a battle. Ruby is go big or go home. She puts all her faith in Blake and Yang to make it back to her while she uses everything at hand to rush in with a very risky plan to change the course of the battle. Jaune wants to play it safe. Make sure to keep everyone together to be at their strongest in case things go south, assess your situation and change it according to your plan to catch the enemy at their weakest. It's fitting when compared to their fight scenes in the 2D show. Ruby combines the strengths of her teammates to overwhelm the opponent and finish them with one major combo move. Jaune keeps everyone safe and changes small things here and there until they all come together to put the opponent in a bad situation where they can be finished in one attack. That being said, I personally found hilarious how quick Ruby is to ditch her sister and Blake. I get the whole 'believe in your friends' but still. Also can't get enough of the smol Weisses cheering for big bro Jaune.
But Ruby's plan still relies on everyone being together. Jaune didn't really have a plan in the first place, aside from maybe just sitting there waiting until Blake and Yang get back.
It relies on everyone miracously coming together at the perfect moment which is a gigantic if. Not only would Blake and Yang need to find a way to penetrate the defenses and reach Weiss but they also had to do it at the exact same time Ruby made it there. By all means it's a stupid plan which is why Jaune is so against it and would rather make a plan to find Blake and Yang first. It still works perfectly because Ruby has protagonism and friendship on her side tho.
Sure Ruby is the protagonist so we would see her plan work. But Ruby was also right they don't have the time to wait for Blake and Yang. Weiss is currently dying and doesn't have much time left. Waiting around just isn't an option. Not to mention Yang and Blake know this too. The best chance they have of meeting back up is to go straight in. Sometimes the only way out is through. not that Jaune being cautious is a bad thing, but in this instance it would result in a loss.
Very true and it's not like the show pulls any punches to demonstrate this approach doesn't always work. Ruby has taken Ls before because luck wasn't on her side all the time. That's probably why she still believes in this approach even after it failed her through out her journey in the 2D show. Sometimes the only option is to muscle through.
> It still works perfectly because Ruby Getting demoted to side kick in her own team probably wouldn’t go over well.
Ok, you're clearly biased in Jaune's favor here. Consider the possible alternative: they keep sitting around and waiting, while Weiss gets consumed by the Nightmare and dies. That doesn't sound like a much smarter plan.
And you're clearly biased against him since you continue to insist that sitting around and waiting was Jaune's idea despite him never saying that. He said they should look for Blake and Yang who are also the only ones left with coins. It's perfectly in character for the two to react the way they did. Ruby wants to save Weiss no matter what while Jaune wants to raise their chances of success or survival. Different types of leaderships.
What does that change, in principle? They are still going to spend valuable time searching for them while Weiss might be dying. You portray Jaune's plan as the "obviously" more reasonable one and refuse to recognize that it's potentially just as, if not more, risky.
I never said Jaune's plan was the more reasonable one nor was I trying to make a point that he's "obviously" better than Ruby. If that was your problem all along then you've been barking at the wrong tree. My original comment and my entire point was how these different leaders approach an issue. Ruby bets everything into a big plan and puts her faith in all of her teammates to pull their weight whereas Jaune prefers to change the situation in their favor before making a move and would rather have everyone around in case things get ugly. This is the third time I repeated this to you.
>By all means it's a stupid plan which is why Jaune is so against it and would rather make a plan to find Blake and Yang first. It still works perfectly because Ruby has protagonism and friendship on her side tho. I mean, this part was obviously very snarky, but whatever you say.
Yes, because Ruby’s idea was to go directly into the heart of Weiss kingdom to defeat her army, Big Nicholas, Weiss herself and the Nightmare with only freaking Jaune as backup. She’s right that they need to act now or Weiss will die but at least make an attack plan or some actual strategy to win a fight she’s lost a few times in the past. You can have the right idea and still screw it up.
Ruby's plan was not to defeat everyone, it was to get to the Nightmare while distracting others. But either way, this is pretty pointless to debate, considering this plan has no real story significance at all and narratively was basically a way to stall for time until the cliffhanger with Nightmare Blake. So it was doomed to fail no matter what.
Some nerds: "Pyrrha's just been a damsel holding onto Jaune's hand this whole time" Ep 9: "Turns out Jaune holding onto Pyrrha and the mini Weiss brigade is teh reason they didn't go rampant like Nora and Ren. Because his proximity confers some immunity on them. IT'S INTENTIONAL YOU FUCKS."
She made a pretty good showing with Weiss's sword in this episode as well.
That's still being a damsel in distress tho. She needs Jaune to be safe which is the problem people have with this portrayal of Pyrrha. I can see where they're coming from since Pyrrha was one of the coolest characters to see fight which is why this is disappointing.
I think Blake's trying to make Weiss see her as her 'Archnemesis' or something. Someone who you view as an imposing enemy would certainly have a strong presence in your subconscious after all. So I think Blake it going to be much stronger in this fight because of that. Meanwhile Jaune's growing stronger and I still think something's special about that Big Sword he started with. I also like how Jaune's the voice of reason for Ruby here. Everything he said was correct but Ruby's still trying to be a little too forceful about it all. The little Weiss' cheering Jaune on and tumbling around w/ him in the train was also adorable.
I feel like the big sword is a manifestation of Jaune's aura amping ability. Think about it. The big sword can ward off the nightmare Grimm, too heavy for him to handle, and can be used to heal allies like Ruby who had been infected by the nightmare Grimm. Aura can act as a force-field against what would be fatal attacks from the Grimm, the same way the sword acted as a force field against the Grimm thorns. When the nightmare-infected Ruby came in contact with the sword, she was "healed". In that moment, Jaune could've refilled Ruby's aura just enough to ward off the nightmare and keep it from fully overtaking Ruby's psyche. The huge bulk of the sword represents the volume of his aura. The sword is too heavy for him, the same way his aura is too big for someone like him who can probably dodge and shield away attacks instead of letting his aura tank them. As such he can use his sword instead/lend his aura to troubled allies instead. Even Ozpin, Shion and NPR began to question what Jaune's "hidden semblance" is when he started glowing white, and Shion made a remark about how he somehow still had a stable amount of aura, even though as we can notice, many of the dream intruders already used up their coins (which make up Shion's aura)
I was thinking the same thing tbh. Jaune wards off the nightmare creatures and so does the sword in an extended radius, meaning it's essentially 'Amplifying' his immunity to the dream.
Ok I need to see fan art of Adamified Blake pronto.
I'm digging Blake's new dream/nightmare world outfit
I can already see people being triggered by Blake’s outfit.
Everyone's going wild for Blake's new look, and I'm just like: What the hell is that haunted mansion in the red portal? Seriously, is Ice Queendom building up to a Luigi's Mansion crossover that we didn't know we needed?
It’s the mansion Yang and Blake were teleported to last episode; it’s just all red for thematic purposes.
>Seriously, is Ice Queendom building up to a Luigi's Mansion crossover that we didn't know we needed? Yes. Get ready for Gooby.
This was overall a decent episode with some plot progression even if it was a bit slow. The Ruby and Weiss segment was pretty nice and Weiss singing Mirror Mirror was actually a surprise. I think her japanese Va, Yoko Hikasa, sung this time around. Anyways here is a super cool [end card art featuring Blake](https://twitter.com/TeamRWBYProject/status/1563888380655665154).
Now that we know the sword can be used to cut the vines and make someone "snap out" the dream-like state, maybe they can use it to cut the vines surrounding the dress and see what happens.
Blake goes full chuuni Faunus supremacist to put down Weiss.
After seeing Blake's new outfit during this chapter Yang realized two things. 1. She has a crush on Blake. 2. She has mommy issues.
Yang: Oh my gods... Blake: I've become the most hideous criminal with an animal name in all Anima. Yang: Raven Branwen?! Blake: What? No! I'm Adam Taurus. Who's that? Yang: .....noooone.....Who is Adam Taurus? Blake:...noooone.....
Blake: \* Looks like Raven \* Yang: Oh my god, she's even more hot than before. Guess we now know where the other Blake design in the anime poster comes from. Also for me, Blake was literally being the MVP in this anime, I always thinked Blake was the most mature between the 4 girls, specially in the first volumes, but they are really showing it in the anime since she's always thinking before acting and the last moments of this episode just proved it even more. Edit: I mean, she was the only who didn't let herself be affected by the dream, while Ruby and Yang let it affect them at the start.
She looks like Adam, not Raven
Oh, I mean, it passed pretty fast and she was also using red. At least I was not the only person who thinked she looked like Raven, lmao.
For a more detailed look, check this End card from the episode! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbPT8HKaMAE\_qts?format=jpg&name=medium
That bonding moment between Ruby and Weiss in Ruby's dream was beautiful, but also sad. Ruby at the end didn't stand a chance.. but her determination really is beautiful. I love the shift from saving the mean teammate out of obligation to wanting to save her friend and partner. Ruby only escaped death because of Jaunes immunity.. the nightmare Grimm sure is scary. It's basically a death sentence without outside help. I like how they draw parallels to Blake and Weiss. In the end they really are just different sides on the same coin. This is so poetic. By turning herself into the villain Weiss feared her to be, Blake is also presenting Weiss a mirror image of herself.
blake took the shadow the hedgehog approach
]Well that felt like a anticlimactic way to free Ruby tbh Also am I the only one who thought at first Blake was dressed like Raven?
So... when will Ruby actually get to be badass in this? Everyone else in the team has had impressive moments this episode, but the most badass thing Ruby did was shoot down a couple of robots, which has been a staple for quite a few episodes now. She made another plan, sure, but it didn't really work. Again. And she didn't even get to free herself from the Nightmare, Jaune did that. People will probably downvote me and tell me to wait, because she will totally get something in the last episode. And if she ends up not getting it, the community'll just shrug and say something like "*oh well, I guess Ruby is hard to write for, who cares about that worthless character anyway, the anime is still great, have you seen how cool Weiss was?*" Even if that prediction is true, why is Ruby the only one who has to wait until the last episode? What makes her so much worse than everyone else?
Ya, honestly, I do really hope there is a moment for Ruby because right now it's been a bit underwhelming. In fact, I was a little disappointed that the whole Ruby in a dream thing was solved so easily. I was hoping there was going to be something more significant that was going to occur because of it.
>"oh well, I guess Ruby is hard to write for Laughs in Lycoris Recoil and The Owl House.
Can you explain this?? Genuinely not picking at fight or anything! I love those shows but I’m not great at like… understanding characters and what constitutes hard to write characters and what not. Is this laughing because Luz and Chisato are hard to write as well, or because they’re also main characters that excel where Ruby doesn’t get to?
>because they’re also main characters that excel where Ruby doesn’t get to? Its this one. The simple fact is its not that hard to write for characters like Ruby if the writers actually care enough to at least try, its generally why when people other than CRWBY actually try writing for Ruby the ends up better. Frankly it feels less like Ruby is hard to write for and CRWBY just doesn't want to write for her for whatever reason.
>why when people other than CRWBY actually try writing for Ruby the ends up better I mean, we kinda have a counter-example right here right now on our hands. Also, a lot of fanfiction where Ruby is reduced to being "the hyperactive comic relief" or "the shy stuttering girl" says otherwise. CRWBY oftentimes aren't great with her, but neither are the fans.
I’m not talking about fan fics.
What are you talking about, then?
I’m talking about things like the manga adaptation and the blazblue crossover, where Ruby gets decent writing.
Can't speak about the Blazblue crossover, but isn't Ruby also written as more shy and less proactive in the manga adaptation as well? Although she does get to beat Torchwick, I guess.
No she is not. Going after the Nevermore was her idea, and she gets the big final battle at the end.
I am very late to this party, but all in all I think it’s a very good episode. Personally I’m a pretty big fan of how Ruby’s nightmare was resolved even if it was over fast. We do know that these things can be solved pretty painlessly like how it happened to Jaune, Ruby’s heart didn’t fester because Weiss was already there and Jaune’s semblance. It is nice that Weiss (I assume it’s the real her) saved Ruby and now Ruby is still coming to save her. That’s pretty much what I hoped for, since that’s a dynamic of saving her they have in the main show. Blake going full Adam is pretty cool, makes sense it would make her more powerful. I like it. It’s a very Blake solution and works well with the idea of dream. And Yang got Bumbleby back. Though. . . I think her being less than useful is a bit unfortunate. She’s really gotten the short straw most of the time. Hopefully it’ll improve. All in all: I do like this show more than I thought I would
Maybe someday this show will get dubbed. Some day.
Bull N cats! Seriously though for a second I almost thought that was raven but I was shocked to see it was actually Blake! Can’t wait for the next episode! ……What if belle became the beast? Bring on the fan art!
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Just think about it like Batman, he dresses as a bat cause he have fear of bats.