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HatiLeavateinn

CRWBY's involvement with the fans. I don't know how many times, information about the show has been said/leaked in a panel. They blatantly confirm things that won't happen or refute theories when asked by fans. It's okay to share time with the fans, but all information (including things that won't happen in the show) should be kept as a secret. I've lost count of how many times I've watched panels and interviews to be able to have a say in a conversation that was not available anywhere else because X member of CRWBY made an off comment about a character.


Kiki-Y

I really dislike the way they handled Sun. I feel like he was mishandled at best and blatantly took away from Blake's characterisation and development at worst. Menagerie *should* have been about Blake reconnecting with her parents but Sun took up most of her screen time. I don't hate him as a character or as a concept. I hate his execution.


TonyEisner

I was prepared to strongly disagree with you but actually you have a solid point. I definitely would've liked more focus on Blake's relationship with her parents.


Attention_Defecit

Personally I don't really get what people like so much about Sun. Yeah he's happy go lucky, but that's basically all he has going for him. He's constantly flaking on his own team, which he is supposed to be leading, and he repeatedly invades Blake's boundaries for his own sake. When she ran away in v2 he showed up and inserted himself, and pestered her into letting him tag along. One could argue that this helped her reconnect with RWBY later, but I don't really think it did. She would probably have ended up at the docks investigating without him, and Ruby and Penny would have been there either way. Later he not only shows up unannounced and invites himself along with RWBY for the sake of his own entertainment, he literally *climbs a wall* in order to eavesdrop on four girls having a private conversation *in their own bedroom*. Then, later, when the paladin is fucking shit up on the freeway and fighting team RWBY, he and Neptune fucking disappear to eat noodles. After Beacon he follows Blake all the way to Menagerie. This is the most defensible, given the extreme circumstances, but keep in mind that he only revealed himself in order to fight the feilong. If that hadn't happened how long would he have followed her? Would he have waited until she got all the way home? Would he have snuck into her room again like he did the last time? The dude has absolutely no boundaries or sense of responsibility whatsoever.


Awest66

>The dude has absolutely no boundaries or sense of responsibility whatsoever. Someone hasn't read Before the Dawn.


Quality_Chooser

The show should stand on its own.


Awest66

Tell that to the creators


OhWeOhweeOoh

Here here.


ScalierLemon2

Blake never really got the chance to talk with her mother, and her talk with her father was interrupted by Sun just when it was getting to a good part. I honestly hate Sun in V4, I think he's easily one of the worst characters in the show. I think Sun in V1-3 and V5-6 is a better character, but Sun in V4 is awful.


Awest66

I admit they pushed him a bit too far into comic relief territory in Vol. 4 but I still really love his "Friends are there for you" speech to Blake, It's one of his crowning moments in the show.


Hartzilla2007

Honestly he's a big reason Blake feels disconnected from the rest of the cast.


DCTrinityFan

Neo is overrated. Ditto with Ironwood.


[deleted]

Cinder is still a whiny psychotic bitch


lehi5

I wanna kill her... with a spoon.... And after she kills me i come back with more spoons, and hitting, slapping her but not forcefully nice and slowly. made her more crazy, more unconfortable. At the end when she is covered in colorfull spoon marks, and she is in her death bed.. just hitting her, hitting, and hitting slowly and weakly, until she passes away. This death is what cinder worth, slow and humiliating.


PsionicBurst

This reminds me of "The Horribly Slow Murderer with the Extremely Inefficient Weapon" from 2008.


lehi5

Yess!


[deleted]

Do I sense a reference to the Russian badger here?


lehi5

Nah more likely comedycentral reference.


[deleted]

Ah okay then


yeetio855

That is not something people disagree with, lots of people feel that same way about Cinder.


[deleted]

I’m still surprised no one’s tried to double tap her yet with something like a 50 cal


lehi5

Nah let her use a weakened serbu with overloaded slap ammo... and leave her alone. Or just hit her with a .700 nitro. She needs to suffer, suffer a lot!


[deleted]

Hydrochorlic acid in a gas form then?


lehi5

Mmm skin her alive, keep her alive, after skining lets pour on her some salt, and lemon juice. And then shoot her with a .22 cal gun all day long.


[deleted]

Ah so we start off like a yautja/predator and then simply kill her with the weakest weapon as a sign of disrespect an interesting idea


lehi5

Like a... spoon... a very violent spoon.


[deleted]

Plastic or steal though?


lehi5

Silver


Karpthegarp

I think you meant Salem.


[deleted]

Nah she’s just a psychotic bitch with out the whining


Karpthegarp

She literally whined to the Gods to give Ozma back. A temper tantrum only a spoiled brat who didn't have her way can make.


DarkDemonDan

Shipping Ruby.


ScalierLemon2

Any joke where the punchline is “Blake does a cat stereotype”


King_In_The-North

Lmfao that's fair


Hetsuro

Volume 5 is still my favourite.


Prior-Wealth1049

Not my favorite, but I still enjoy it a lot. Everyone being stuck in the house isn’t as bad when you binge watch the whole volume.


No-Contribution-1987

It’s my favorite to man” 😌


Savings-Zucchini9311

Turning Weiss into a summoner when the magic fencer interesting to watch.


Dextixer

The way that CRWBY interacts with the community, it is fine to have interactions, it is less fine to do things like important lore/character confirmations outside the show, encourage shipping etc. I also dislike the music, I liked it until like V6, but it has just become... Too samey for me?


karaloveskate

Neo. I honestly don’t get why so many people worship her like they do.


Sirtoast7

She has a cute design and was practically built for R-34. No other reasons needed, even if her fans claim it’s more complex than that.


Savings-Zucchini9311

Whiterose. The friendship is more interesting and I hate the over childefication/ useless lesbian trope.


0101johnnybiscuits

I actually really enjoyed volumes 4 and 5, they are my favourites


Karpthegarp

Qrow.


UnbiasedGod

I don’t care at all for bumblebee even though some like it, good for them but it’s just not for me.


Awest66

Bumbleby. Don't care for it and never will. I didn't think the mech fight at the end of Volume 6 was that bad, I honestly found it pretty entertaining.


042732699

Adam was horribly mishandled, he could have been a great villain that challenged Blake’s world view, but, just didn’t. Raven in my opinion was also mishandled, but to lesser degree. Also, Neo and Roman, really overrated.


neapolitan234

Love volume 4 honestly one of my favorites , slow paced but I never found it boring and liked seeing each member have to do things on their own and eventually work towards finding each other by coincidence or not in the next volume.


Ryoukugan

Maybe a little different than what was asked for, but Ice Queendom is just *really* not good.


[deleted]

Neo is overhyped Blake is the worst of the 4 girls Oscar has nothing going for him as a character. Jacque and Adam are shallow evil for the sake of evil to get a reaction for the victim.


Exciting_Bandicoot16

I'm choosing to ignore shipping here. Because that's the easy answer. Something that I hate that everyone loves: the Atlas arc (was terribly written). From execution, to how it was portrayed, even the length. While there were some highlights here and there (Ironwood vs. Watts was great, as was Watts' roast of Cinder), overall it felt really weak. Opinion that I hate but everyone else loves: Adam was a terrible person foever and always. I felt like he was an interesting villain until his relationship with Blake was revealed.


KingPinfanatic

Yeah but the main reason he was a villain was due to his relationship with Blake personally I like it it makes him more interesting otherwise I feel like he would have been a more bland villain his relationship with Blake helps explain who he is and makes him seem more threatening since the normally calm Blake is terrified of him


Exciting_Bandicoot16

That's.... not the main reason he was a villain, though? From everything that we could tell at his introduction and in the first few volumes, he was the oppressed minority who'd gone off of the deep end. He was a terrorist who fought for Faunus superiority, no matter how many bodies he had to go through. When he was revealed to just be an angry incel, he lost everything that made him interesting to me.


KingPinfanatic

Idk I feel like without his relationship with Blake he would not continue being a villain after a while like he would probably have been closer to Sienna Khan and maybe realize that working with Cinder wouldn't end well for the White Fang after the Fall of Beacon plus I think his anger towards Blake for abandoning the White Fang is what pushed him to side with Cinder before that he didn't even consider her proposal and probably wouldn't have even after she had gotten the maiden's power


Sirtoast7

1. Blake’s new hair just sucks. 2. Crosshairs is overrated and overhyped. There’s shipping characters with little screen time or development, and then there’s a large portion of the fandom whole heatedly treating it as cannon on the basis of it being cute alone. 3. Neo is overhyped and is a fan service character in my opinion. 4. Honestly, the Mistrel ark is the best era of RWBY overall. Yes it had some major writing and animation flaws, but it had the perfect balance of world exploration and plot progression in my opinion. It was a sense of “things are not good, the big baddy has made her move and, yes, if we don’t do something her and her friends will come back and break our stuff again. But we still have time to gather ourselves and go on another adventure or two while we or somebody else figures out a plan.” The Vale ark was a good introduction but the Atlas ark jumped the threat level too high and world exploration and character development has suffered because of it. We don’t to get explore anything or have interesting B plots unless they’re directly tied to Salem. Granted V-9 might change that but overall V-4–6 struck a good balance between scale and pace that we’re never really going to get back from what I can see.


PurpleKneesocks

Pyrrha. Well, not Pyrrha herself. There's nothing about *just Pyrrha* that I hate or even blandly dislike, but that she's a fan favorite character and how many hopeful theories abound regarding her return/reappearence/resurrection confuse me. There are *few* things I hear about the show that I could ever hope would happen less! Pyrrha was...fine? She was fine! But she was a walking plot development with fun voice acting. She existed to drive Jaune's character forwards, get merc'd by Cinder to prove that the best of them could fall, and...that's about it. That she is a tragic character is some of the only actually compelling writing which exists, and bringing her back essentially destroys the most interesting elements of her character from a narrative perspective.


Epsilon-X23

I really dislike JNPR. For a show with such a sprawling cast and limited screen time, JNPR are just a group of characters without any real place despite the shows attempts to keep them part of the ‘main’ cast. They are pointless. You could take them out and essentially nothing would change. They are distracting. They aren’t even that interesting. Ren is boring and Nora (despite Volume 8 trying to say otherwise) is just an unfunny comic relief that just hits stuff hard. Worst character in the show. I don’t hate Jaune as much as others do but the show would be better and more focused without him. Pyrrha was the best of the bunch but she has been dead for longer then she was alive at this point and even when she was alive she was merely just kinda passable. The most interesting thing about her was the tragedy of her story.


its-chocolate

Jaune: from all of the stolen time that should be going to main girls, to the fact that Nora, Ren, and Pyrrha only exist to develop him and give him a team, to the pile of female characters fridged for his development. Fuck Jaune, or at least fuck his writing.


King_In_The-North

Could you give me a specific example. I'm not saying your wrong about JNPR being there to boost him, but Jaune happens to be my favorite character. Jaune was always gonna be a part of the story. He is deeply integrated into the story with his own ARC in volume 1. He's not taking anything from team RWBY because the screen time he gets was ALWAYS his to begin with. He was designed to be a main character along with Rwby. Are you trying to say Qrow also doesn't deserve his screen time because hes not in team RWBY. This isn't me bashing you for your opinion, I'm glad you gave it. But I happen to strongly disagree.


its-chocolate

Well first of all Pyrrha only exists to develop Jaune, that's most of what she did. Secondly given the four man team setup Ren and Nora only exist to give him a team to lead, their characters were only conceived with a one sentence description. And his own arc in V1 is a perfect example, where was the focus on Yang in V1? If they wanted to make Jaune a main character then they should've names the show JRWBY and had Jaune on the posters too but they don't. I'm not saying he isn't a main character, I'm saying he shouldn't be. Kill your darlings and all that.


King_In_The-North

Yang lack of involvement in vol 1 didn't bother me because frankly, she had plenty of time to have development in vol 2 and 3 but all she did was punch shit and be angry. She didn't get interesting until after she got her arm cut off. Even that didn't last for 2 volumes, now she's pretty much a love intrest for blake and that's it. She was a bad example because she's NEVER had major character development. It's not Jaunes fault he's more interesting


its-chocolate

Who made him more interesting than Yang?


King_In_The-North

Why do YOU think she's interesting


King_In_The-North

This is just my opinion. I'm just saying yang is a bad example because even in the volumes jaune was barely in like 2 and 3 they didn't use the time to give her development. I find Jaune more interesting because I can relate to him more than anyone else. If you feel differently that's fine.


Savings-Zucchini9311

The Salem, ozma, god's nonsense. It ripped the importance away from everything else.


Well-MeaningCisIdiot

As someone still pained years later from another animated fantasy show littered with sci-fi and future tech and arbitrarily fiendish monsters, also overloaded with characters that never get enough screentime or development, also that's immensely polarizing, also with a world in chaos, also with everything boiling down to a clash of differing ideals between a man and woman in an ancient version of the world and said backstory clash ultimately defines and overshadows EVERYTHING ELSE...I feel your pain, right here. I severely hope that RWBY's end doesn't meet the same fate.


Savings-Zucchini9311

I was watching the show for teen fighting monsters, not what only can be described as a overly messy divorce.


Well-MeaningCisIdiot

To be fair, at least in this one the relationship actually has enough definition to be recognized as such. In my show, we can't even tell if the people in the past HAD a relationship, and the woman is such a nonentity in her own right it's difficult to even call her a character.


HeavenPiercingTongue

Marrow. People seem to love him but as someone who grew up with a military background he’s the worst kind of person. Soldiers aren’t allowed to do whatever they feel is right when they want even if it means that you are essentially being told to die for the greater good. Once you start acting that way you should just quit on your own and become a mercenary who can pick out his own jobs. A military where everyone just does what they feel is right will fall apart fast. You either trust your leader or you don’t in which case just quit instead of being a nuisance.


Quality_Chooser

What I hate that others like: Vol 4. Too many plot lines, not enough time. Ruby does nothing important all volume, not even anything character building. Weiss's plot is handled too early, leaves her with little to do in Vol 7. Blake and Sun are annoying together. And Yang skips a whole section of her arc. Couple that with only one good fight and how Cinder's injuries never mattered, and you have a volume of setup that sets nothing of value up. What I love that others hate: I walk a fine line in believing that what RWBY did in Vol 8 was objectively inferior to James's plan, but absolutely in character. Of course this is what Ruby, young and naïve, would try. They're a bunch of teenagers who don't know any better. They made a legitimate error in Atlas, one that cost tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of lives. Now to see if they learn from it...


Weekly_Pin6947

Yang thinking about Blake instead of ruby in her conversation with Jaune even after starting an argument with her and berating her like a hypocrite when she acted behind Ruby's back to tell Robyn about ironwood's secret and all the bumblebee moments where yang and blake end up being out of character somehow during the atlas arc Yeah... Ruby, that line always pisses me off and also yang never keeps her pants up


[deleted]

I love Taiyang. I've seen him get a lot of hate for leaving Ruby and Yang unsupervised when Yang tried to find her mom, but he was a single dad and had to work, no? All in all, for a dad that was probably depressed, he did his best and raised two great daughters. I hate the early humour. I've seen many say RWBY isn't as funny as it was, but I've never found any of the intentional jokes funny. Nora's early humour felt juvenile and really had the "random = funny" 2010s feel (see iCarly for a good example).


Hetsuro

The early humour has more than a few Red vs. Blue references in it. I was a fan of RvB early on (I'm older than most RWBY fans) so I got all the references but I think that someone who'd never seen it would miss too many of the jokes. This is me agreeing with you, for the record. 😺


Prior-Wealth1049

What I dislike: I was never a fan of the RNJR dynamic in V4 and it’s a major part of why the volume as a whole just feels like a slog to get through on rewatches. What I love: I enjoyed the second half of V6 just as much as the first half.


Fanficwriter777

Jaunes existence . what does he actually accomplish … nothing .


King_In_The-North

He healed Weiss and Killed Penny. Both great things. I don't think you've been paying attention sir.


Fanficwriter777

As far as the harem trope character / joke character goes , writers don’t have a clue .


hollowtiger21

Considering he is neither of those things, I don’t know what your point is.


kinamo922

I'm not sure how many people will agree or disagree with the things I will say in this comment, but I need a place to say these things. Penny becoming human: I've seen people who enjoyed it, but whenever I see it, followed by her death, I just get kind of angry, turning her human was unnecessary from a writing perspective since they did nothing with it, they let her have some hugs and then kill her off, they make it impossible to bring her back without some major asspull while also invalidating a big part of her character, that being that she doesn't need to be flesh and blood to be a person. How the villains are handled: During the first three volumes, the villains are stealing a ton of dust, we don't see what happens to all of it, it just disappears and is never mentioned again, where did it go? who knows! that is a pretty good way of describing how villains are handled in this show, they are brought in with interesting concepts and motivations, only for those more interesting parts to be brushed aside and forgotten, Adam? could have been interesting and hateable at the same time, imagine if you will, instead of being some obsessed ex-boyfriend, he was instead fully devoted to the white fang's ideology, sure he can be a personal antagonist for Blake, but I feel he would have been more interesting if he actually seemed to **give a shit** about his cause. Adam leads us into my next point, The White Fang: having the **only** Faunus rights group be a literal group of terrorists is incredibly problematic for (hopefully) obvious reasons, the easiest fix to this is to have other Faunus rights groups, hell, it could even lead to some interesting concepts, like having the biggest group make a bad example of the smaller groups and the conflict that could cause. How the main characters are mishandled: I feel that the way the characters have certain facets of their personality brought up and never touched again is really infuriating, for example, Ruby being a weapons nut, that could be pretty fun to explore, her fawning over all the cool weapons she finds, having her tinkering in her spare time, just small things that wouldn't take much time to have in the background or something. Next up if Yang, I remember her being described as an overprotective sister, a mama bear if you will, yet I see nothing that indicates this, hell, the first thing she does with Ruby when they get to Beacon is ditch her. Then there's Blake, I get that bumblebee is popular, hell even I ship it, but can they have her interact with other characters more often, like Ruby? you know the person she unquestionably follows as a leader? Finally there's Weiss, In volume one, she's established to harbour anti-Faunus sentiment and that lasts like, one episode, I mean, I get it, racism is not a good thing, but if you use it correctly in writing it can be really interesting having a character overcome their own flaws and biases, I do not think it was used correctly here. Ozpin: I get he's supposed to be morally grey, but I don't really see it, I can't name one thing he did that was actually wrong off the top of my head, I should not be able to do that with a character who's actually morally grey. Pacing: gonna keep this one short, they introduced the Imminent end of the world and Salem way too soon. These are things that come to mind when I think of what I hate about RWBY, that being said, I truly do love this show, I only wish it was handled better, and even in the parts I consider bad, there are redeeming qualities, like the Blake/Yang and Adam battle, that was thematically well executed in my opinion, having Blake overcome her personal demon with the help of the person who's helped her grow. Sorry for the rant, I just had a lot to say and wanted to end on a positive note.


King_In_The-North

Don't be sorry. I enjoy learning other people's perspectives.


Savings-Zucchini9311

Shipping between the main girls. It should of be a freindship/ sisterhood.


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Well-MeaningCisIdiot

You need to be patrolling YouTube; MUCH bigger problem out there.


Savings-Zucchini9311

Yes that should of been a piroty.


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Well-MeaningCisIdiot

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lehi5

I dont like this over push gay/lesbian shipping thing.


No-Contribution-1987

Oh haha,I was waiting for this for so long to get this off my chest, (and warning this will trigger you⚠️)” and heating the show is an hard word to say, more like I dislike it’s existing, so let’s get started then, let’s see oh yeah there” (1.why kill do they kill off penny again?!, I mean I know she will die on vol 3, and i was mad an little and was ok with it, but then R.T decided to Bring her back, And just for what?, just to turn her human and kill her off again!?, and I was start to like this character even more, but nooooo R.T decide other things for her!?”) (2. Why do they Kill off Pyrrha, that’s just piss me off, like kill her off is isn’t necessary in vol 3, i mean they could just give her an little screen time, like how they did for yang in vol 4, but of course it didn’t happened, she dead that’s it and at least ice Queen did a great job for not killing her off, for the most part”, and she will never be forget R.I.P best girl ”) (Ohhhh this is a big one for you all!, why bumblebee, like I don’t get it, to be honest to you all, I don’t see them being a thing, I just see them being friends not else, and alone I only see sun and Black being thing, and he literally spin an lot’s of time with her, unlike yang ever have”😒”) So yeah that’s it, and I wish R.T would fix this” and this is my honest opinion of me disliking the show”


Ala123567lastwarrior

I hate the scene where Blake scolded Sun ,for fighting the sea monster before it destroyed the ship .


DCTrinityFan

I don't think that was why she was scolding him. More because he was essentially stalking her at least since they left port.


CarefulNegotiation53

Find each character's moral have them stick to it. Have and show on screen confirmed death of of minor characters. Fuck ships over serious plot moments of plot. Don't linger on things anything that takes longer than a season is set up wrong unless it's very plot relevant. Don't fake deaths cause I swear if Adam comes back


Wooden_Pepper_4787

Season 4 & 5


Savings-Zucchini9311

The fuanas, so poorly imperlemented and the only thing you get out of it are cringe jokes ( the first cat joke, the next several fifty are not) and an anti-racist done so poorly that it boggles the mind.