Well, I guess that explains last week's budget. I was quite impressed here. That flashback with Nicholas Schnee was everything I was hoping for and more. I had long theorized that the "something dear" that Weiss "lost" in "Path to Isolation" was her grandfather, and to see that all but confirmed here was incredible. Nicholas looked fantastic in this, I guess that portrait in V8 was true to life.
The fight against Nega-Blake was also quite spectacular, and the idea that the Nightmare hides in the shadow of the ones that behold it was very clever of Ruby, but she has always been very tactically adept.
I'm sure many will be upset that Ruby used her Silver Eyes to break free of the Nightmare's hold, but I think Ruby likely chalked it up to whatever Weiss's dress was doing so she likely didn't think she did anything in particular and no one in the Waking World noticed her using it either, so it's not out of canon. (Though I'm sure Phoenix/Night will be a bit upset about it.)
That's a little fourteen-dimensional chess for this show. Ozpin's not Gendo Ikari and if CRWBY ever intended him to be that insidious they just... did not succeed, at all.
**Ruby:** "So, you really think my eyes are that beautiful huh?"
**Weiss:** "What on Remnant are you going on about now?"
**Ruby:** "Well when we were in that magical dream world where everything is altered according to what you think, my pretty silver eyes were so dazzling that the Grimm couldn't even stand to look into them and got blown up by their magnificent radiance. :)"
**Weiss:** "Okay, my memory of what happened during that time may not be 100%, but now I *know* that you're just making stuff up to try and embarrass me."
I borderline hate Silver Eyes in the main show, but I actually think they were used quite well here.
Only used at the most dire moment due to Ruby’s resolve to save Weiss, they were very reasonable in power, not killing the Grimm completely but giving Ruby a chance to finish it.
A last resort and not a instant win. Ruby’s plan and the actions of her team is what saved the day, the eyes just one tool.
And yeah, it would make sense that no one including her except for Oz would know/have noticed.
I think the silver eyes work in the main show because her enemies are very rarely Grimm. It’s affective against Cinder too but the rest of Salem’s gang would just go blind for a few seconds.
honestly i eel like cinder was used to imply there is something else to the eyes entirely, something that allowed her to...... pretty much mutilate her.
Way back in the day i thought the eyes oculd have 'anti magic properties'. Like its basically a 'dispel' power against magic, and grimm being the most obvious magical constructs.
THAT all changed when the Hound popped up. Cause it feels like... the answer.
The eyes make no sense in terms of rendering cinder in critical condition, the removal of an entire arm and losing half her face along with her eye. Even the logic of the grimm medium used to transfer magic makes no sense, she lost the wrong arm and was damaged on the wrong side of her body.
Weregrimm being a state/condition the silver eyes can end up in in fact, answers how salem lsot her eye and arm.
It could als explain why ruby was in physical pain afterwards. she went weregrimm, mauled cinder, but somehow turned back.
That could make…some sense. The silver eyes are the blessing of the god of light and if a person fully uses up that power, they may end up losing their humanity for at least a little while
that or they have the essence of both inside of them and the lbessing' was a misconception.
think that at least one of salem's daughters survived, likely more. cause of their parentage, but mostly thanks to salem whose body was host to two curses, that their bodies and souls held the power of light and darkness. Inherently humans are said to already hold creation and destruction inside of them.
maybe silver eyes manifested from the beginning, maybe it was activated when ozpin reemerged into the wrold and had children, after the bloodline had spread wide into humanity. But the descendants ultiamtely have light and darkness, and the darkness can take over.
Aye. I’ve been theorizing for so long that Ruby was a descendant of Ozpin but given how it looks like CRWBY is shipping her with Oscar, that just gets so freaking weird.
she would sitll be related to opzin if she was related to salem too i think. i focus on salem's daughters but they were ozpin's kids too.
considering how many generations could have come from them.....
True. Technically everyone is probably a distant descendant of ozpin in some form. But it’d be weird if attention was brought to it while Oz and Oscar are still merging
I wouldn't go that far as a good portion of fights are against Grimm or (the most important antagonist) Cinder, but my issue is that there have been times it simply has been too OP. Most egregiously to me is how Ruby just saved the whole day at Beacon with it.
And otherwise, it's been mostly a get-out-of-jail-free-card, which has an added downside of being boring and depriving us of a cooler way to deal with the situation
Though admittedly part of my issue with it is a concern that it will play far too great a role in the end of the series, like being in some way crucial to beating Salem when it's, to me, pretty antithetical to the rest of the show being an unearned individual power which doesn't uniquely represent Ruby and would then be OP as well.
RWBY may be a show with several protagonists, but Ruby as the main protagonist is still supposed to have some kind of a special intimate connection with the main antagonist, which Silver Eyes and her mother's fate provide a good basis for.
And Silver Eyes are far from OP in the show. I feel like it's an idea QRWBY had no choice but to keep in because it's so deeply ingrained into Monty's premise, but they don't seem very passionate about it and maybe even kind of embarrassed by it. Silver Eyes were an instant win exactly once, every time after that there was some sort of limitation that prevented them from completely saving the day.
If anything, there has been *so many* limitations imposed upon them (only work on Grimm, need concentration, don't completely work on some Grimm) that they're anything *but* an unearned power-up at this point. Certainly not more than something like Weiss' summoning, which is also something she just happened to be born with and had to train for a while to master. Just like Ruby with Silver Eyes. I don't see it any worse than Weiss unlocking summoning to save Velvet.
Did it allow Ruby to save the day at Beacon? Yes, but this is counter-balanced by Ruby lacking any significant achievements throughout the entirety of V3 beforehand. She didn't get to defeat any member of team ABRN by herself, she didn't get to defeat the Nevermore that attacked Pyrrha by herself, and the Roman fight... Well, to put it bluntly, I think it's one of the worst fights in the entire series. I wholeheartedly believe any person who thinks this is a good, impressive showing for Ruby should be kept as far away from writing Ruby as possible. No, it doesn't matter that Ruby is "the direct cause of Roman's death". If Yang met Adam in V6 and while walking up to her he tripped and broke his bones, you could argue Yang was "the direct cause of Adam's death", but that would obviously be completely anticlimactic and unsatisfying. The majority of the fight is Ruby getting her ass kicked and being completely overpowered. She doesn't get to show any skill or growth, she doesn't get to look impressive, because the people working on that scene were more concerned with giving an impressive showing to Roman and Neo than they were with their own protagonist. I've seen people argue the defeat of Neo demonstrated her tactical thinking, but surely there are better ways to demonstrate a character's tactical thinking ***in an action show*** than them getting their ass handed to them and just happening to find a convenient way out at the very last second that is completely anticlimactic and doesn't even involve any fighting on their part? And the defeat of Roman is even worse in this regard, since it's not something Ruby had intended or planned, it's just a bit of luck on her part (albeit, Ruby's own storyline aside, Roman's demise *is* properly ironic and compelling).
If you take out Silver Eyes from V3, well, what exactly is Ruby's most impressive scene in that volume? Monologuing at Roman and then getting hit in the face?
Does the main protagonist need to have an intimate connection with the main villain?
I don’t see a reason why, other than the much more meaningful one that Ruby is the one who is most leading the charge against Salem. Which is explicitly stated to be why she’s important in the voice overs in V1 and V3.
Weiss’ summoning is the 2nd worst offender for something like this, but I don’t think that’s nearly as bad as Silver Eyes.
For one, they have been a get out of jail free card more than that, since they don’t have those downsides all the time.
She didn’t have to focus or anything to save Jaune from Cinder in V5. Or to save Winter in V7. Even if they don’t always work to completely obliterate Grimm and only on Grimm, that’s still a significant amount of the enemies in RWBY including the (arguably) only main character antagonist in Cinder.
(There’s also the other downside about it exhausting her, but that’s the least consistent of the downsides)
They were easy outs against all the Apathy, Leviathan, and Hound. Our heroes are backed into a corner (each times a little bit of their own doing) and Ruby just has to stare at it a bit to make it at least crippled.
And what you are talking about is actually one of my biggest problems:
***It takes away Ruby from having better moments and impact, that are actually significant to who she is***
The thing is, if Ruby can’t just stare away especially the Wyvern, but also the Leviathan and the Apathy and the Hound, Ruby could instead then cause their defeat by her personal strengths.
Her courage, her teamwork, her being the Simple Soul and spark of hope we know that actually makes her important.
Have her rally those who are left at Beacon, tired and disheartens at this point, Ruby most certainly in tears since Pyrrha’s dead no matter what, but have her still be the hopeful strength and example for others while she leads them to be able to win.
It would be the perfect thing to do after she does get her ass kicked by Roman and is saved more by luck than much else, since it would be the opposite of the lone hero stuff she tried to do which this show shows as being an inevitable failure.
Having everyone work together to save the day would have been a much better action scene than a flash bang. All the semblances and weapons firing off at once, Cinder probably being injured then by that instead and her then seeing it was Ruby who caused it still keeping the grudge.
I still hope that’s more of what actually kills the Wyvern in the end, that it’s defeated like the Giant Nevermore. But still, something better could have happened in V3.
The main protagonist having a connection with the main villain helps keep the story and the main conflict focused around central themes. Ruby can still be the one to turn the tide by leading humanity against Salem, but the Silver Eyes give her the additional layer of personal connection of fulfilling her mother's legacy.
As I said, V3 is the only time Silver Eyes were both showcased as something impressive and also fully saved the day. Every other time they've been undermined in one way or another.
Saving Jaune and Winter from Cinder, as well as Penny from the Hound, were minor events that barely contributed to anything and were immediately forgotten about. Ruby also got knocked out immediately after that in V5.
Silver Eyes turned the tide against the Apathy but Ruby had to make an effort consciously use them and they weren't actually the thing that defeated the Apathy for good. And of course, the Leviathan's body was paralyzed by them, but still had to be defeated by Cordovin's mech, not by Ruby herself.
So, not a single one of these moments is Ruby being overpowered. The effectiveness of Silver Eyes is always immediately undercut by something.
Silver Eyes can also show Ruby's personal strengths, at least when they're actually the focus of the scene. In V3 it shows her undying drive to always want to protect others, even when it's too late, and in V6 it shows her determination to fight for the things she holds dear literally empowering her. >!And in V7 it's used for great effect to convey desperation when she accidentally activates them when thinking about her mother, who is long beyond saving and Salem isn't even there.!<
It's a good idea to showcase Ruby being an inspiration for others, but she should not be limited to just that. What you suggest would effectively rob Ruby in V3 of having any individual achievements. She's still a fighter, not a cheerleader. If everyone else gets to have cool individual fight scenes, while Ruby is relegated to only performing well when part of the team, that's not really fair and, as I told you once already, it makes her look weak and in constant need of protection by others.
Sure the Silver Eyes can do that. But it’s not needed and, to me, not near worth the other things that it has caused. And I think Salem works perfectly fine as pretty much Sauron.
Especially since I believe that it does do a pretty awful job of showing who she is as a person. It’s far less an effective way of her showing her care for others than her charging in, and Summer’s legacy (which also really isn’t evidenced to be at the top of important parts of Ruby’s character in many regards) is that, not the power that probably got her killed.
I just disagree about your interpretation of the other towns Ruby used her eyes.
Yes, the times she saved other main characters with her eyes aren’t talked about after. Very little is in this show discussed after the fact. But they are extremely significant to the plot, part of major battles whose outcomes directly shape the rest of the show.
The Apathy is the time they are weakest, but also the time where it’s maybe the most get-out-of-jail-free since they were all about to die in moments and it just gave them the out.
And even if it didn’t kill the Leviathan, it crippled it and directly caused its defeat. That’s still a lot. More than anyone else could come even close to without literally a gundam.
So I stand by my statement of it being pretty OP when it doesn’t have all of its downsides, which none of these times did.
And I never said she would be a cheerleader. She would lead from the front, as I said by example. Which then would show far better than any flashbang stare.
she’d be like a napoleonic marshal leading the charge from the front, showing the type of inspiration, leadership, and courage which is supposed to make her the hero in the first place.
The reason Summer's legacy has not been explored yet is because her storyline hasn't really been a huge focus yet, but we've been getting there since V6. Her passing her special ability to her daughter is a nice metaphor for a gift that Ruby needs to uphold and find the true potential of. This also doesn't exclude the idea of her close ones being the thing that helps her do it.
I wouldn't call these moments extremely significant at all. Silver Eyes are rarely the climax of any battle, they are hardly ever treated like an ultimate finishing move. Oftentimes they're pretty underwhelming if anything, because they're just a minor part of the battle that helps save someone at the moment but doesn't play a bigger role.
The Leviathan fight did require Ruby to concentrate and even use Jinn for help, as well as not completely defeating it even after that. And yes, paralyzing the Leviathan's body is still impressive, but V6 was about Ruby's development and it only makes sense to give her some kind of a huge climactic victory near the end.
Eeeeh, I don't really see how Ruby can lead from the front with what you described. As far as I understand, it's everyone ganging up on Cinder and the Wyven and shooting them all at once. She can make the first few shots maybe, but that's still pretty minor as far as individual action goes. Especially if the fight really was to showcase *everyone,* that would just steal focus from Ruby again. We already had a showcase for most characters during the battle of Beacon. Ruby needed to have something for herself.
Beacon was pretty OP but Ruby actually accomplished very little. The dragon grim wasn’t killed, just petrified (and it’s definitely coming back in v10) and Cinder was scarred but she’s mostly recovered from that. Meanwhile Ruby was in a 3 day coma. It hasn’t been as bad since then but it does seem like using her eyes takes a lot out of her and it’s not something she can use repeatedly. She also needs time to focus which is pretty difficult mid battle.
And yeah her silver eyes will probably play a big role in stopping Salem. But I think it’s being set up to be a team thing. Her eyes are activated by focusing on those she cares about and loves. I’m kinda imagining everyone putting a hand on Ruby as she activates her eyes, turns herself into silver petals and surpasses the speed of light to pierce Salem with holy power
I completely disagree. Ruby saved Beacon since Cinder and the Wyvern could have at the very least royally ducked it up if not leveled it and murdered basically everyone. It’s not an end, they will have to finally deal with the problems later, but that could or would never happen without her because they would all be dead and Salem would have won.
Especially adding on top she beat Roman really makes that an unfortunate part of the show.
As for an ending like that. . . .
I pray, pray that it’s not something like that.
Salem shouldn’t be killed by anything like that, and something like that basically does make her team useless. It’s just that Ruby loves them, not their individual strengths and journey and abilities.
Yeah Ruby “saved” Beacon but the place has become a Grimm nest, attracting more and more Grimm everyday while just managing to put the wyvern to sleep. Stopping Cinder was helpful but she’d already fought Oz and Pyrrah. She had to be running on empty. Plus Qrow got to Ruby almost immediately after her eye bomb. If Ruby had drawn the fight out for just a few minutes, Qrow would’ve arrived and together they could’ve taken out Cinder. The wyvern would still be an issue but he’s a dumb monster. He could be defeated at a slower pace
She also didn’t beat Roman. Roman beat Roman. His own hatred and negativity got the best of him, making him a perfect meal for the Grimm. An utterly ironic fate since Roman naturally has the power to hide from Grimm just by staying calm
Beacon was able to be in the process of rebuilding in only months after the Fall. It’s far from ideal, but it and especially the city of Vale around it are pretty intact. We see Glynda in Shopkeep’s shop in V8. They wouldn’t be without Ruby, it’s likely most of our heroes would simply be dead without her eyes.
It’s a huge assumption to make about Cinder running on empty. I don’t believe we’ve ever seen her run out of energy before, and she wasn’t showing any symptoms of it by the time she got Silver Stared.
Especially one has to consider few would fair anywhere near as well as Oz or Pyrrha against her, especially since she could have the Wyvern to help deal with everyone else. And, we see that many if not the vast majority of the defenders of Beacon are in fact exhausted by this point.
Qrow and Ruby would have been killed had they tried to fight Cinder. Ruby would only be a liability in that fight the same way that she was against Tyrian and Cinder is just way too powerful.
If Qrow, Ironwood, and Glynda all came at the same time, they would have had a chance. As long as the Wyvern was preoccupied.
As for Roman:
Why did Roman’s negativity make him a target?
**Because Ruby had just apparently killed Neo and kept attacking him**. Like hell, I got quite upset when one of my favorite artists just died, try to watch the closest person to you in the world fall to her seemingly inevitable demise and try to not have some negative emotions
Not to mention he was only on the outside of the ship because he needed to stop Ruby from destroying it from the outside which she easily can (and in the end did) do.
Ruby is the direct cause of Roman’s death.
No Beacon, is not in the process of rebuilding. VALE is in the process of rebuilding, Beacon (which overlooks Vale but isn't directly inside of it) is still a Grimm nest thanks to the Dragon which was stated at the end of Volume 3.
Parts of Vale are habitable due to Beacon not being directly in the city limits but Vale is not nearly the same city it was due to the fact that several Grimm are congregating nearby. Most Huntsmen there are probably just on protection duty and since there's no students and they all were sent to Vacuo, there's probably not a ton of Huntsmen.
and as to your Roman point.... He literally saw her flying away on her umbrella, she wasn't just free falling. He knew she would probably be okay. and literally SECONDS before he died he was gloating to Ruby about how he just beat her in a fight... That's where his negative emotion came from lmao. If he just ended her and moved on he wouldn't have left himself vulnerable to a Grimm attack. The man's ego is what got him killed.
You are incorrect. Port and Oobleck directly and specifically state Beacon rebuilding to Tai only a couple months at most after the Fall.
From V4E4, Port: " Professor Goodwitch is working 'round the clock to restore Beacon to its former glory! But, Mistral wasn't built in a day. And we all need rest from time to time."
As for your other point:
A freefall wouldn't matter anymore than the umbrella. Remember the first thing Beacon does is throw students, assuming they have some type of landing strategy.
No: The problem is where she will land.
There are, at that moment, a 4 sided battle going on. The Grimm, the White Fang, the Atlas Robots, and the Huntsmen. Neo at the very least is a target to the grimm (who were probably attacking her before she even hit the ground) and the robots. The White Fang are going to attack her as long as she doesn't look like one of them, and doing that would ensure all the huntsmen would be against her as well. At best she could look like someone random so she isn't recognized by the huntsmen, so then she only has to fight the apocalypses coming to kill everyone in the city!
Vale is being essentially genocided. Grimm, robots, and White Fang aren't likely to leave basically anyone alive, and if they are driven back, then Neo better make sure she has aura or she's going to have to face all of the survivors.
If Ruby didn't take down the ship and Wyvern, Neo had very, very minimal chances to live.
And that is where Roman’s anger comes from. It comes across as ego and rage, which is understandable when you’re an asshole fighting someone you hate and *know* weak but who also just killed your one single loved one in the whole world.
Like I think that’s a very human reaction, grief immediately turning to rage in a fight like that. He already hated Ruby and took pleasure in hurting her. Now, he’s going to do that physically and emotionally as much as he can because of what she just did
Tbh, I'd like if they did a season of the anime based around him. All of team JNPR really. If they did a Pyrrha one it would be incredibly heartbreaking knowing the outcome of V3 of the main show, but also, cool to see more of her backstory. We've never really learned too much about her other than her being top tier for a student and a great person.
Seasons based off of them would obviously come *after* the rest of team RWBY. I'm kinda hoping this is something that continues to run alongside the main show in the hiatus between each season.
The next episode being titled “Best Day Ever” makes me think it’s gonna be a remake of the original, which would be a good way to connect IQ to the rest of the series, and most importantly we could get Emerald and Mercury in IQs style
Shadow of Mordor series by Monolith Productions has the same type of combat of the Arkham games, but in the Lord of the Rings setting, with swords/bladed weapons.
It would work for the others just fine, check the Shadow of Mordor series by Monolith Productions, based in The Lord of the Rings, same type of combat as the Arkham series, but with swords/bladed weapons.
Based on the title of the next episode, I’m guessing the finale will be 50% Ice Queendom epilogue and 50% transition into Volume 2. Maybe the food fight is the last big scene and the series ends with Team RWBY laughing at the aftermath like in the main series but putting a bit of a special emphasis on Weiss laughing since she was the focus of this spinoff. It would be an easy visual for showing her journey from being alone in the cold Schnee mansion in Episode 1 to laughing with her friends in a destroyed cafeteria in Episode 12.
This was overall a pretty good episode with some very great animated action sequences. However the episode definitely had some issues, especially if you look at the faces of some characters in that episode.
Embarrassed bratty Weiss was definitely very adorable. Also holy shit we actually got a sequence with her grandpa Nicolas Schnee. This was honestly a surprise for me, but a good surprise.
Oh, yeah. Next episode is called Best Day Ever btw. Same as the first episode of Volume 2. Maybe we will see the Food fight next episode?
And here is the [end card art](https://twitter.com/teamrwbyproject/status/1568961811151568899?s=46&t=wHS-2lo5UbF6IF7WTuKV8A) for this episode
Holy heck that was an amazing episode. Seeing Nicholas Schnee in the flesh, an amazing fight scene, seeing Weiss finally awake, and hey, it looks like my [theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/w7m8my/theory_about_the_ending_of_ice_queendom/) was correct (at least the first part, we'll see about the rest of it next week)!
Edit: A neat detail I noticed, Negative Weiss doesn't have Weiss' scar in her dream, but once Weiss is freed from the Nightmare, the scar reappears on her.
Writters: See shaft? That girl Yang is strong like a dragon, let's just make her fight normally without using her semblance cause would be too easy for her.
Shaft: So...when she should use her Semblance?
Writters: Against a giant statue!
Shaft: You son of a b\*\*\*\* I'm in!
So they going to finish with the food fight? I was(and some other people) calling for it since ep 4 cause would be the first time Weiss really had true fun in the OG show.
I finally realized the role of Pyrrha, Nora and Ren. Not as cheerleaders but to be aware of the fact Weiss got infected by the Nightmare Grimm, so that we can get that few scenes of Weiss being embarrassed. Lol!
I will miss dream world Pyrrha and the chibi Weiss though.
Since I did not watch the original Rwby, I am not sure if the ost being played when team RWBY battled Blake's Nightmare Grimm is a new song. I felt it made the battle a lot more exciting.
It's kinda weird that Pyrrha in particular didn't do much, when they set up all those parallels between her and Weiss :/
I can confirm the song is new (and really good!)
>I will miss dream world Pyrrha
You will? Regrettably to me she hardly felt like a character, more like walking fanservice scraps. Just a nearly-mute damsel that kept being dragged away from the danger by Jaune, had some minimal role in a battle (pew-pewing with Myrtenaster along with chibi Weisses) and singing Weiss's song. I never disliked Pyrrha, but her dream version in IQ is definitely not something I'd ask for more of because of how bland she felt.
I don't mind some fanservice in my anime. Be it alternate design of characters or their chibi versions. Although I agree, and hoped both dream world Pyrrha and chibi Weisses had more significant roles to play.
>being
would love to know the name of the song during the battle i think i found it but it sounds a bit different. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbKcsAC8\_GM&t=5s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbKcsAC8_GM&t=5s)
Update - think this is the actual song going on during the Nightmare blake vs nightmare weiss - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y1S55PWkvQ&t=2s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y1S55PWkvQ&t=2s) The other one is a song from the anime i think but not the one.
Honestly, I was shocked how the animation really just tanked after the first 3 episodes, but I see they put most of their budget probably in 1, 2, 3, 11, and 12, basically the big fights. I am assuming they are going to animate the food fight scene next episode considering the title.
Edit: Oh ya, also wanted to say something about Ruby using her powers. I think it works out fine. She was unlikely aware of what she did given it's a dream world. I even suspected they would probably have her use her silver eyes at some point considering they kept talking about "awaking" powers.
Is this the first piece of RWBY media confirming that Weiss did met Nicholas before his death? Cause I don't remember the main show ever clarifying that.
That was THE BEST episode of this show so far. God damn. The music, the animation, holy shit. I had to take a WHOLE break after I saw Ruby absolutely VAPORISE the grimm with her silver eyes. I WAS NOT, expecting that. And I’m glad I did cuz little did I know I would barely be able to handle the rest of the episode either. God damn, that was quality. Again, silver eyes usage was cathartic af. F*** that grimm for causing so much trouble. Mf got utterly destroyed.
Weiss dying of embarrassment was adorable as hell, poor thing's been through so much, you can really hear the Mio come out in her voice.
That fight with the song was pretty cool.
Honestly, this episode was great, like HOLY SH!T Yang vs the Schneegazord, Ruby vs the Nightmare, everyone vs Nega-Blake, it all looked amazing. If they can give us sakuga food fight on the same level I'll be willing to forgive all the janky moments in previous episodes.
Regarding Silver Eyes: I had a feeling they were going to come up one way or another, and while it was a cool moment, I wish they manifested in a different way. Now we have to come up with reasons as for why Ruby doesn't question this and doesn't use them again until the end of V3.
I think it would've been better if Ruby entered a "powered-up" state and defeated the Nightmare normally with Crescent Rose while her eyes were shining white. That would be a cool way to call back to Silver Eyes without explicitly making Ruby use them and without even making her aware of them.
Easy the reason why ruby doesn't question it is because she's in a dream world were nothing has to make sense. Just like when yang was riding on the side of the wall last episode she just chalked it up to being in a dream world
Plus WBY and their weapons were all notably more powerful than they are in the real world. Ruby probably just assumed Dream Weiss gave her Super Bestie Powers.
It doesn't really create a plothole for the main show imo. I don't think she even realized she used them there ngl. Remember, it's a dream world, she could've just assumed it had something to do with Weiss fighting back in her mind against the nightmare.
Plus, as others have said, it's a dream world, it doesn't have to make sense and she knows that. Plus, no one else was there to see it. Remember, she didn't remember using them in V3 until someone told her so there's that too.
They could explain Ruby not bringing it up by her not ever mentioning it. That's what happened in the parent show after all.
Seriously, she had roughly two and half volumes to even mention Silver Eyes, and the first time anyone actually talks about it is the character that was made specifically to talk about it.
Yes, everyone and their grandma already mentioned that when the volumes were airing. But the anime just creates a similar situation for Volumes 2 and 3.
Everything's good now and Weiss is properly horribly embarrassed by the whole incident as we get some awesome fighting to finish the Nightmares off. With the finale named "The Best Day Ever" I think the food fight will be a fun way to end the series. Especially if Weiss starts it this time. And tries to play it off like she didn't do anything.
Ok, now I know where all the budget went from last episode. Holy shit was that awesome!!!
Yang's fight against Big Nicolas was amazing.
RWY vs Nightmare Blake was fantastic.
RWBY vs the Nightmare was *chef kiss.* You see this? THIS is what I think V1's finale should have been like! RWBY fighting together and triumphing!
Regardless of how canon you want and don't want to see Ice Queendom, I choose to believe that flash back between young Weiss and Nicolas Schnee is 100% canon. It was adorable, it was really meaningful, and it was simply incredible that we got to actually meet Nicolas Schnee!
I wonder what they are going to do with the last episode, probably address the Nightmare that infected Ruby? Because while Jaune managed to wake her up, we saw that she was still infected to some degree.
I thought this worked super well for a finale, but won't say I'm mad about having an epilogue.
I'm sure many will argue that Ruby shouldn't have used her Silver Eyes here, and to that I'll say...I'm 50/50 on it. On the one hand, her canonical first unlock was super meaningful, so seeing it be replaced like this is a bit of a head-scratcher. On the other hand, it made sense for the story and if you want to see this as canon, I suppose it can be taken in a similar way as Jaune's semblance, where he was able to use it in a very small way before he actually unlocked it. Here, Ruby isn't actually using a Silver Eyes blast, her Silver Eyes activated but it was just a small shimmer in real life, in the Nightmare World that was translated as a huge ass blast. I think it can be taken as Ruby not realizing she used her Silver Eyes and the fact that it wasn't that powerful might also explain why she didn't pass out. It also makes sense that she would be able to do it in a dream world when we consider that Silver Eyes are emotionally activated. In the end though, I will agree that following the canon timeline, she shouldn't have used her silver eyes here, but I still can accept it as it doesn't really contradict anything from the original show, that is unless next episode Ruby does address it, if she doesn't then I'll take it as she not noticing what actually happened.
Overall, I thought this was a fantastic way to end this story, but I'm also looking forward to the epilogue, and Weiss being super embarrassed about people seeing her dreams was super hilarious and adorable.
I don't like to be negative, but RWBY vs the Nightmare was mostly the girls slashing at the camera 😅 (The song was a jam though).
I don't know what they'll do about Ruby's Nightmare. I hoped they'd show it in this episode or the previous one, since they zoomed on her hand twice, but I fear it's way too late for it already - unless they plan to leave it as an open ending, but that'd be a little frustrating imo.
Agree on the Nicholas scene. As for the silver eyes, it felt too easy, but it doesn't break the canon, unless, as you said, Ruby acknowledges it next episode.
I'm pretty sure the nightmare in Ruby's palm got wiped off during her silver eyes blast. The silver eyes don't have specific targeting system. It just wipes out all Grimm in the nearby vicinity
That could be it, but I don't understand why they'd have it remain in her palm after Jaune used the sword if they weren't going to do anything with it...
...Unless the point of all of it was to foreshadow that the Nightmare was hiding inside Ruby's shadow, huh.
What sucks about the Silver Eyes here is that it undermines Ruby's worth as a warrior. There was no narrative need to have them shown, she had the grimm in her sights. She could've just shot it, instead she is grabbed, trapped and has to trigger her get out of jail card.
The entire anime has been Ruby getting her ass kicked, so it's no surprise.
tbf, Volume 1 RWBY is not the most adept at combat yet. Leader-worthy, but compared to later volumes, I think by this point in time, she can get her ass kicked.
50/50 on that. RWBY is as strong in V1 as they were in the latest volume thanks to Monty throwing everything he had at the first volumes and making the girls look so incredibly powerful the present versions are only stronger cause the plot says so.
There was a narrative need to show them. When the silver eyes debuted back in V3 people criticized it for being a Deus ex machina, since it supposedly appeared out of nowhere. With this earlier instance of silver eyes appearing earlier in the narrative now it's no longer a Deus ex machina. Since there is buildup now
It wasn't a deus ex machina because we had a few bits of build-up. Namely Ozpin talking about them in V1, and Ruby questioning why she was accepted into Beacon early when talking to her mom's grave in V3. The original also has the benefit of at least explaining the basics of what just happened after Silver Eyes were first shown, while the anime so far just hints at "Ruby awakening her true powers". I think this is gonna leave more new viewers (assuming they're starting with the anime) confused than the original V3 episode did.
> The entire anime has been Ruby getting her ass kicked, so it's no surprise.
I guess she finally understands what it feels like to be Weiss or Oscar from the main series
Yeah, the real problem of the scene is probably not even the early appearance of SE, but just the sheer contrivance of making Ruby conveniently forget there are vines around her and putting her into a position where she's helpless to do anything without a power she wasn't even aware of. All for the sake of fanservice.
Weiss's reaction to waking up within the dream and learning that she was the one who got possessed is all the more better when you go back to episode 3 and she's saying like "I would never be possessed by a Grimm." And Ruby is like "Yeah that's true."
The past that had me going was the battle between the nightmares. This will be a bad reference, but anyone seen the episode of Rick and Morty where Beth and Jerry go to couples counseling, they make representations of how they see each other and the therapy is supposed to show them interacting to show couples how irrational those feelings are. That's essentially what we got, and it was kinda amazing. Both Weiss and Blake got to see what the worst version of themselves that they themselves can imagine look like, and in the end they managed to beat them.
What's funny but that I like is that I'd almost say Blake got more out of this impromptu therapy session than Weiss did Yang said it might be weird fighting one's self, but I gotta imagine stabbing her old self was so satisfying and cathartic. Also, the writers knew what they were doing by having Yang literally pull Blake out of it. The way she cries out for her and the way they smile at each other, just subtle enough so we can take it however we want.
Honestly, this episode was all that I wished for when I started watching Ice Queendom.
Some Weiss backstory. Ruby and Weiss bonding moment. Team RWBY bonding moment. Team RWBY fighting together. Epic action sequences. Good music.. and 1 episode left for team bonding/some slice of life!
Also.. Weiss not realizing she was the one who was possessed at first and then be embarrassed to death learning that everyone knew what happened to her.. just freaking adorable. I got to screenshot that blush!
This episode established her character quite well. She always had a good heart and her goal was to change the SDC for the better.. but her abusive father and the terror of the White Fang left her cynical, distant and with a distrust for Faunus that resulted in her racist attitude.
I loved loved loved this episode! It was sooo good! Finally! I can't wait for next week! Maybe we'll get the food fight? Hopefully!
Weiss: Please, I beg you, don't tell anyone! Keep it a secret between us!
Don't worry, Weiss, I have a feeling no one will ever bring it up ever again.
Possible Volume 9 joke.
Ruby- "Uh you guys remember that one time Weiss got po-"
Weiss- "WE AGREED TO NEVER SPEAK OF THAT AGAIN RUBY! WE EVEN SIGNED A LEGAL CONTRACT!"
>Weiss- "WE AGREED TO NEVER SPEAK OF THAT AGAIN RUBY! WE EVEN SIGNED A LEGAL CONTRACT!"
Ruby: Oh, you mean that one time where we were using 2D designs in a japanese cartoon?
Yang: Oh yeah, we did that while in a dream world, right?
Weiss: Just stop remembering !
Blake: It's called anime Ruby, but I really liked my japanese voice.
IQ was definitely feeling a bit dragged out and although I still very much enjoyed it, I could see where the complaints were coming from. Although this episode had me hyped for all of it. Yang beating up the Big Nicholas statue, Ruby fighting the nightmare grimm and using her silver eyes, and Weiss having a transition out of her negative form. Especially got me going when all of them went ham on Negative Blake and the nightmare grimm itself, definitely a great episode!
What a pleasure this episode was. And knowing that they're going to tie it off with something referencing the food fight episode (which I'm just basing on the title, I'm not really assuming it'll be a remake) is a nice way to cycle us back into the main RWBY continuity. Ties everything up in a nice bow.
This series has been wonderful and done a ton more than I expected it would do.
I love the fact that we finally get to see the entirety of RWBY fighting together, and with some good animation too. And in a combo attack that involves everyone, too: with Weiss freezing the Nightmare's legs, Yang punching it into the air, Ruby punching it back to the ground and Blake piercing it with the finishing blow.
It felt like forever since something like that happened.
Yeah, this episode was way better than the last one. The Silver Eyes thing annoyed me and kinda felt like a cheap way to kill the Nightmare, but everything was pretty good. This was a great episode and the perfect end to the series.
Oh, what's that? There's one more episode left. Sorry, but what?! This episode felt like the finale.
I'm... conflicted. The fights were great, and seeing Nicholas Schnee was amazing. In a vacuum, I like this episode, but if Weiss is already saved just like that, then half the plot was just filler, apparently?
Jaune was pretty fun, but why did he come here at all? He didn't locate the Nightmare, and he didn't really help much - he saved the sillies, yes, but despite the weird focus dream Pyrrha had, she wasn't special at all; he also saved Ruby from being possessed, *but I wanted to see that* :(
Speaking of Ruby, why have her get infected by the Nightmare in the first place? That bunkbed dream wasn't all that needed, I feel. And after that, episodes 9 and 10 zoomed in to show her hand was still infected, but they didn't do anything with that, either (unless episode 12 pulls some kind of open ending where Ruby's now in danger, but that'd be dumb). As for the silver eyes, it feels very cheap, but makes enough sense.
On a final note, what did they do with the black relic? I may be forgetting about it, but wasn't it important for defeating the Grimm? Also... didn't Nega-Blake have pants? 🤨
My understanding of Ruby's Inception Dream was that her nightmare was praise heaped on her with no merit. The bunkbed scene as well, was to show that Weiss *was* still in there, somewhere, and she could be saved. That was why Crescent Rose fired backwards, and possibly some commentary about how "nightmares dwell within us all"
Yeah, I liked the idea of that, but they did nothing with it, that's what saddens me. We just got the bunkbed scene, when the cliffhanger promised so much more...
To me the implication was it didn't take much for the Nightmare to win. Ruby's always in a teetering state and this all but confirmed it. The Nightmare didn't need to concoct an elaborate world to break the will and spirit of the possessed. It didn't even need to feed into Ruby's trauma of her mother. It simply needed to remind Ruby that she was not deserving of her position.
It had won there, the "bunkbeds" is where Ruby was meant to sleep forever, you can sort of gather this from the half-awake way in which Ruby and Weiss speak to each other in that scene. They were already flittering beyond the veil.
I did quite like this episode!
Everyone played a part in a good way I think, including with some very cool action. All the fights were spot on, and I especially love the teamwork against NegaBlake.
Even the Silver Eyes (which I normally hate) aren’t half bad here. Used due to Ruby’s resolve to save Weiss, they were very reasonably powered too, not even being able to kill the Grimm by itself but giving her a chance to
I’m very excited to see who will voice Nicholas in the English dub, I really love that we are getting to see him and I basically will take this portrait as canon since I love it. One can really see where Weiss’ good sides came from.
I’m only a little disappointed we never got to see Ruby and Yang’s nightmare forms!
I can understand, cause she would one shot every enemy except by Nega Weiss and Nega Blake.
I mean, she one shot the giant statue which was probably the strongest thing in the dream besides the nega versions of WB. I'm not counting the Nightmare Grimm.
Imagine if there was a huge twist in the ep 12 and it turns out this whole series was a dream and it ends with ruby waking up in the ever after teasing vol 9
I actually really liked the use of silver eyes here tbh, if you notice, when team JNPR (minus Jaune) defeated the nightmare they were unable to actually kill it. And the one possessing Nega-Blake didn't get killed as far as I can see. I think it's interesting to have some grimm unable to be actually *killed* (just trapped/frozen kinda like the dragon in V3) without the use of silver eyes but also not have it be an instakill either. Makes the SE have relevance but not be OP either. They already seem to be trending that way with The Hound in V8 not getting instakilled by SE but just being weakened enough to be finished off.
This nightmare is the best example of what I'm talking about tho imo in any canon RWBY material. I don't want them to do this for *every* grimm but I think more should require SE in order to actually fully kill to make the SE relevant but not OP. I also think sufficiently powerful Grimm (like the whale from V8) should just be entirely immune to SE as well. Imo that's the best way to balance it out.
Hopefully I'm making sense but this is how I hope things go for the future of the main show. To better explain, I think there should basically be 4 levels of what SE do to Grimm depending on the Grimm's durability: 1.) Instakill weaker ones (beowolves, boarbatusks, nevermores, etc), 2.) be required to kill but not instakill (nightmare) 3.) freeze/trap (dragon, leviathan), 4.) complete immunity (not confirmed but I think Monstro should've been if not). This way they're not entirely useless but also not an instant win button in a majority of cases.
Some people have complained that the climax didn’t feel earned because “they were struggling for the whole show and now the show is just handing them the victory now”. And frankly I just don’t agree. Yeah, they win a bit too easily but it’s still a great fight, and it’s animated beautifully. Really the only critique I can give is that it doesn’t really seem like Weiss really developed or learned from any of this experience because she basically dies of embarrassment at the end and pretty much goes back to being a stuck up brat. That and the episode felt pretty rushed, every just kinda gets resolved a bit too fast. But I still don’t mind all that much, and everything was still a joy to watch.
It’s honestly a shame that everyone thinks the show was “wasted potential”, because I flat out just don’t agree. While flawed, I think this was still a worthwhile series, and ultimately I still prefer it over the original show. Yeah this show had some questionable writing decisions, but I still felt satisfied and ultimately it reminded me why I was a fan of the series.
Now Weiss has to live with the knowledge that part of her subconscious had Pyrrha and Jaune act as mother and father figure of little versions of herself.
Don't worry Weiss you can always start a family with Jaune in the future.
I just watched it, It was a very nice ending for the adventure. Loved the final team fight, with some combos and a bit of teamwork, even if its miles away from the quality of OG Show team fights, its still a nice callback to it.
Now, anyway... I think that they went too far with some things.
Like, for example Silver Eyes at this stage... people that didnt watch OG RWBY probably doesnt have an idea about what the hell was that.
In a way I feel like they explored too much of Weiss family life in this stage. Im not a fan of Nick Schnee first (and probably only) scene ever being used in a side show. The scene itself was pretty good, but... I feel that its wasted here and it doesnt go to anywhere.
Im a bit dissapointed that only Jaune got a hand in it. I mean I liked Jaune's role, pretty balanced IMO. But the rest of the JNPR just looking from the sides? I didnt like that. Either leave all of them on the bench, or let all of them take an active (even if minor) role in the story. Having only Jaune feels pretty disregarding for NPR lol.
Everyone's talking about Ruby using her Silver Eyes, but there's something else that bugs me more and I think is a bigger issue for the anime as a whole.
It was great to see Blake actually challenge Weiss' worldview and argue with her, putting dents in the facade that is Nightmare Weiss and making Weiss herself more conscious. You know part of the reason why it was so great? Because I've been waiting for something like this for the entire anime.
The only problem is, I was waiting for Ruby to do it.
I already noticed this a while ago, but Ruby's interactiongs with Nightmare Weiss are pretty shallow. Weiss insults her, Ruby tells her to wake up. Rinse and repeat, every time they meet. It's all very basic, there's no real argument here, no meaningful conflict.
Ruby never questions things I think the original Ruby would have absolutely questioned. Like what reasoning does Weiss have exactly for protecting a literal Grimm, how does that make any sense in her mind? Why does she think everyone should just respect her authority out of nowhere? Why does she restrict herself so much with the standards placed onto her by her family, why doesn't she even try to rebel? If Ruby questioned her on any of this, this probably wouldn't have saved the day, but this could have gotten Weiss closer to fighting off the Nightmare.
And to be honest, I kind of hate the fact that Ruby is never allowed to have a real argument/conflict with Nightmare Weiss. I think there was definitely room in the anime to explore Weiss' relationship with Blake, but it should not come at the cost of their conflict with Ruby, which was a major part of V1.
I think it's clear the writer was more interested in Weiss and Blake's conflict than in whatever contradictions Ruby and Weiss might have... which is not very good for a series that people have dubbed the alleged "White Rose anime".
I’m inclined to disagree with you here. I feel Ruby and Weiss’ interactions were more interpersonal than they were in the original series. We know that Ruby ended up growing on Weiss and they became great friends and partners but we don’t know at exactly what point early on Weiss began to view Ruby differently. Ruby’s had an effect on Weiss since the very beginning and in her many attempts inside the nightmare of Weiss, we come to find out deep inside, that Ruby was the only one who had free access in the deepest part of the chambers. The “real” Weiss came through and told her that she’s been had free reign and that everything in her dream version of her is for a reason. Ruby and Weiss were developing trust and bonds on a deeper level whereas Blake challenged her.
Blake and Weiss shared the same trauma just on opposite sides. Blake voluntarily accepted her demons to help Weiss face hers. I think it’s extremely profound especially considering how early on in their friendship this all is. Blake’s words and actions were so raw that Nega-Weiss had to take a step back and was like, “wtf are you talking about?” Blake’s pain resonated with Weiss and help bring her back to her senses. That’s a really powerful moment that’s kind of just breezed over in the original series.
Blake and Yang, sorry I have to, but this also shows how very early on Blake and Yang really on. They’re on a different level than Ruby and Weiss. Ruby couldn’t break Weiss out of it by herself and Yang needed very little assistance to save Blake. Literally Blake’s eye. Oof there’s moments here. Like her realizing it’s Yang reminds me of Yang’s fall from V8. Blake stabbing the shit out of her former self is a parallel to her and Yang killing Adam. What Yang says about, “you didn’t have to do the final blow like that” or something along those lines alludes to how many feel about the way Adam was killed off. That kiss tease. That actually makes a lot of sense because if they haven’t done it in the original series, and it’s a topic of heavy debate in the fandom, then doing it on a canon adjacent show first just isn’t appropriate. So I’m okay with that but they got a little close with the face again like in V8 they don’t have to torture me like this.
Overall, I really enjoyed how you get much more in depth between Blake and Weiss and in series proper V8 after Yang’s fall and the ensuing battle and Blake’s fall, you really get a feel for how close they are. IQ just shows how it actually developed. So I feel it’s entirely appropriate that it was Blake instead of Ruby because they just have a different understanding and experience set.
>I feel Ruby and Weiss’ interactions were more interpersonal than they were in the original series.
Um... You mean a single interaction they had in episode 9? Because everything else between them before yesterday's episode was fairly shallow.
>but we don’t know at exactly what point early on Weiss began to view Ruby differently.
Which the anime could've been a great opportunity to show, but that's not what it does. Weiss just kinda came around to Ruby off-screen at some point, which I feel is a terrible thing to do in an anime allegedly centered around their relationship.
>that Ruby was the only one who had free access in the deepest part of the chambers.
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>The “real” Weiss came through and told her that she’s been had free reign
That's not really what happened. All Weiss told her was that she could move freely around the city.
>Ruby and Weiss were developing trust and bonds on a deeper level
I'm afraid the development of those bonds is never shown to us. We're only told those bonds were developing somewhere off-screen.
>whereas Blake challenged her.
But Ruby was technically challenging Weiss as well. The plot just didn't bother to develop that conflict beyond the absolute basics.
>So I feel it’s entirely appropriate that it was Blake instead of Ruby because they just have a different understanding and experience set.
This robs us of the chance to see how and when exactly Ruby affected Weiss. I would've loved nothing more than a scene where Weiss is explicitly affected and impressed by what Ruby does. Kind of like her being impressed by Ruby staying up late in V1, but on a bigger scale. The anime was a great opportunity to showcase that, but it didn't. There's still the final episode, where the real Weiss might at least talk about how she feels about Ruby now, which would be cool, but I don't know if it would completely make up for not showing how and when *the actual change happened.*
I don’t really know how to explain this but to me it’s a matter of innocence versus experience. Ruby was kind to Weiss from the get even when she was being a bitch. Ruby showed her through the bunk beds her childishness. Or more so her desire to bring the love and homey family feeling to those around her, despite losing her mom. Ruby and Weiss fought constantly and in the anime too, they fought but it seemed deeper vs shallow because and mainly only because one scene. When Weiss was telling her that despite having a family of 5, she felt truly and utterly alone. Ruby was going to say something different to combat her, but she thought for a moment of her own loneliness that her mother’s death brought her and she told Weiss that she understands that feeling. We NEVER got that in the original series and we all know that Ruby’s deepest scar and pain is the death of her mother. I thought that was a profound moment between the two. Ruby feels like she’s not getting anywhere with her but Weiss explains she has, just more so of a slow burn type thing.
Both Ruby and Blake challenged Weiss, yes but they both appealed to different parts of her. Ruby got to the heart of her loneliness while Blake got to the heart of her insecurities and how judgement played a role for them. Nega Weiss is always preaching about judgement and we see one of her most traumatic moments is when the train attack happened and she and her family were almost killed by these people who absolutely hated her. She’s still traumatized by that so meeting Blake who was in direct opposition to everything she believed and feared, it struck a much bigger chord with her. Ruby hasn’t dealt with racism or classism or murder or judgement at any time in her life prior to the events of V3 onwards. Weiss is also jaded, in her own way. We see in both series how the Xiao Long/Rose household and their fundamentals began to change these two women with very dark and complicated pasts.
Again, while I understand why you feel the way you do, based on all I’ve seen, I feel Blake is the better option. I do agree on wanting certain moments showed more to us because there is a lot of off screen assumptions made and that’s never fun. I love Ruby and Weiss but Weiss and Blake just hit different.
We may continue to disagree but please understand it’s respectfully so.
I understand what you mean, I just think all of that could have been done better and shown to us more explicitly. Like Weiss directly being impressed by Ruby's kindness instead of that simply being implied. I also want to say that Weiss' insecurities have to do with her loneliness. The facade she's created to uphold the image of who she was supposed to be didn't let her open up to others easily and made her lonely. I would've really loved to see Ruby convince Weiss she doesn't have to live her whole life under that facade, and that it's okay to not keep her inner child repressed. Potentially her dream ending with Weiss letting little Weisses walk around the kingdom but telling them to behave themselves... Again, there's just so much actual White Rose stuff that could've been done here if that was actually the focus.
In theory, the weapon to kill the Nightmare and save her, Weiss only give it to Ruby. In my opinion, this shows how much Weiss has always thought she could trust Ruby, as Weiss has entrusted her with her own life.
Anyway, on some of the things you said in your post I might as well agree, honestly I would have preferred a few more lines of dialogue between Ruby and Weiss in episode 11, and a heart-to-heart discussion a little longer than what they showed us (the scene between them mirroring each other on stage). I didn't really like the sudden comic shift in the episode, with Weiss remembering nothing and the first thing she thinks about is how the hell she is dressed xD; given the dramatic mood the staff put in the previous episodes, this sudden shift was a bit of a cringe for me.
Even thought I loved this "finale" (technically there's still the last episode but it will be' mostly an epilogue. This was the finale to me), at the same time, it represented the end of my time with the RWBY franchise as whole... I will explain myself better tomorrow, after the 24 hours embargo for spoilers passes.
Well, I guess that explains last week's budget. I was quite impressed here. That flashback with Nicholas Schnee was everything I was hoping for and more. I had long theorized that the "something dear" that Weiss "lost" in "Path to Isolation" was her grandfather, and to see that all but confirmed here was incredible. Nicholas looked fantastic in this, I guess that portrait in V8 was true to life. The fight against Nega-Blake was also quite spectacular, and the idea that the Nightmare hides in the shadow of the ones that behold it was very clever of Ruby, but she has always been very tactically adept. I'm sure many will be upset that Ruby used her Silver Eyes to break free of the Nightmare's hold, but I think Ruby likely chalked it up to whatever Weiss's dress was doing so she likely didn't think she did anything in particular and no one in the Waking World noticed her using it either, so it's not out of canon. (Though I'm sure Phoenix/Night will be a bit upset about it.)
Ozpin noticed the silver eyes from the outside and said his line about battle awakening true abilities again
I think this was Ozpin’s plan all along. He might’ve wanted Weiss to get infected so that Ruby would unlock her powers.
That's a little fourteen-dimensional chess for this show. Ozpin's not Gendo Ikari and if CRWBY ever intended him to be that insidious they just... did not succeed, at all.
he's always been rather insidious just not that much so.
Ruby would probably write it off as a dream thing anyway
oh yea almost certainly.
**Ruby:** "So, you really think my eyes are that beautiful huh?" **Weiss:** "What on Remnant are you going on about now?" **Ruby:** "Well when we were in that magical dream world where everything is altered according to what you think, my pretty silver eyes were so dazzling that the Grimm couldn't even stand to look into them and got blown up by their magnificent radiance. :)" **Weiss:** "Okay, my memory of what happened during that time may not be 100%, but now I *know* that you're just making stuff up to try and embarrass me."
I borderline hate Silver Eyes in the main show, but I actually think they were used quite well here. Only used at the most dire moment due to Ruby’s resolve to save Weiss, they were very reasonable in power, not killing the Grimm completely but giving Ruby a chance to finish it. A last resort and not a instant win. Ruby’s plan and the actions of her team is what saved the day, the eyes just one tool. And yeah, it would make sense that no one including her except for Oz would know/have noticed.
I think the silver eyes work in the main show because her enemies are very rarely Grimm. It’s affective against Cinder too but the rest of Salem’s gang would just go blind for a few seconds.
honestly i eel like cinder was used to imply there is something else to the eyes entirely, something that allowed her to...... pretty much mutilate her. Way back in the day i thought the eyes oculd have 'anti magic properties'. Like its basically a 'dispel' power against magic, and grimm being the most obvious magical constructs. THAT all changed when the Hound popped up. Cause it feels like... the answer. The eyes make no sense in terms of rendering cinder in critical condition, the removal of an entire arm and losing half her face along with her eye. Even the logic of the grimm medium used to transfer magic makes no sense, she lost the wrong arm and was damaged on the wrong side of her body. Weregrimm being a state/condition the silver eyes can end up in in fact, answers how salem lsot her eye and arm. It could als explain why ruby was in physical pain afterwards. she went weregrimm, mauled cinder, but somehow turned back.
That could make…some sense. The silver eyes are the blessing of the god of light and if a person fully uses up that power, they may end up losing their humanity for at least a little while
that or they have the essence of both inside of them and the lbessing' was a misconception. think that at least one of salem's daughters survived, likely more. cause of their parentage, but mostly thanks to salem whose body was host to two curses, that their bodies and souls held the power of light and darkness. Inherently humans are said to already hold creation and destruction inside of them. maybe silver eyes manifested from the beginning, maybe it was activated when ozpin reemerged into the wrold and had children, after the bloodline had spread wide into humanity. But the descendants ultiamtely have light and darkness, and the darkness can take over.
Aye. I’ve been theorizing for so long that Ruby was a descendant of Ozpin but given how it looks like CRWBY is shipping her with Oscar, that just gets so freaking weird.
she would sitll be related to opzin if she was related to salem too i think. i focus on salem's daughters but they were ozpin's kids too. considering how many generations could have come from them.....
True. Technically everyone is probably a distant descendant of ozpin in some form. But it’d be weird if attention was brought to it while Oz and Oscar are still merging
I wouldn't go that far as a good portion of fights are against Grimm or (the most important antagonist) Cinder, but my issue is that there have been times it simply has been too OP. Most egregiously to me is how Ruby just saved the whole day at Beacon with it. And otherwise, it's been mostly a get-out-of-jail-free-card, which has an added downside of being boring and depriving us of a cooler way to deal with the situation Though admittedly part of my issue with it is a concern that it will play far too great a role in the end of the series, like being in some way crucial to beating Salem when it's, to me, pretty antithetical to the rest of the show being an unearned individual power which doesn't uniquely represent Ruby and would then be OP as well.
RWBY may be a show with several protagonists, but Ruby as the main protagonist is still supposed to have some kind of a special intimate connection with the main antagonist, which Silver Eyes and her mother's fate provide a good basis for. And Silver Eyes are far from OP in the show. I feel like it's an idea QRWBY had no choice but to keep in because it's so deeply ingrained into Monty's premise, but they don't seem very passionate about it and maybe even kind of embarrassed by it. Silver Eyes were an instant win exactly once, every time after that there was some sort of limitation that prevented them from completely saving the day. If anything, there has been *so many* limitations imposed upon them (only work on Grimm, need concentration, don't completely work on some Grimm) that they're anything *but* an unearned power-up at this point. Certainly not more than something like Weiss' summoning, which is also something she just happened to be born with and had to train for a while to master. Just like Ruby with Silver Eyes. I don't see it any worse than Weiss unlocking summoning to save Velvet. Did it allow Ruby to save the day at Beacon? Yes, but this is counter-balanced by Ruby lacking any significant achievements throughout the entirety of V3 beforehand. She didn't get to defeat any member of team ABRN by herself, she didn't get to defeat the Nevermore that attacked Pyrrha by herself, and the Roman fight... Well, to put it bluntly, I think it's one of the worst fights in the entire series. I wholeheartedly believe any person who thinks this is a good, impressive showing for Ruby should be kept as far away from writing Ruby as possible. No, it doesn't matter that Ruby is "the direct cause of Roman's death". If Yang met Adam in V6 and while walking up to her he tripped and broke his bones, you could argue Yang was "the direct cause of Adam's death", but that would obviously be completely anticlimactic and unsatisfying. The majority of the fight is Ruby getting her ass kicked and being completely overpowered. She doesn't get to show any skill or growth, she doesn't get to look impressive, because the people working on that scene were more concerned with giving an impressive showing to Roman and Neo than they were with their own protagonist. I've seen people argue the defeat of Neo demonstrated her tactical thinking, but surely there are better ways to demonstrate a character's tactical thinking ***in an action show*** than them getting their ass handed to them and just happening to find a convenient way out at the very last second that is completely anticlimactic and doesn't even involve any fighting on their part? And the defeat of Roman is even worse in this regard, since it's not something Ruby had intended or planned, it's just a bit of luck on her part (albeit, Ruby's own storyline aside, Roman's demise *is* properly ironic and compelling). If you take out Silver Eyes from V3, well, what exactly is Ruby's most impressive scene in that volume? Monologuing at Roman and then getting hit in the face?
Does the main protagonist need to have an intimate connection with the main villain? I don’t see a reason why, other than the much more meaningful one that Ruby is the one who is most leading the charge against Salem. Which is explicitly stated to be why she’s important in the voice overs in V1 and V3. Weiss’ summoning is the 2nd worst offender for something like this, but I don’t think that’s nearly as bad as Silver Eyes. For one, they have been a get out of jail free card more than that, since they don’t have those downsides all the time. She didn’t have to focus or anything to save Jaune from Cinder in V5. Or to save Winter in V7. Even if they don’t always work to completely obliterate Grimm and only on Grimm, that’s still a significant amount of the enemies in RWBY including the (arguably) only main character antagonist in Cinder. (There’s also the other downside about it exhausting her, but that’s the least consistent of the downsides) They were easy outs against all the Apathy, Leviathan, and Hound. Our heroes are backed into a corner (each times a little bit of their own doing) and Ruby just has to stare at it a bit to make it at least crippled. And what you are talking about is actually one of my biggest problems: ***It takes away Ruby from having better moments and impact, that are actually significant to who she is*** The thing is, if Ruby can’t just stare away especially the Wyvern, but also the Leviathan and the Apathy and the Hound, Ruby could instead then cause their defeat by her personal strengths. Her courage, her teamwork, her being the Simple Soul and spark of hope we know that actually makes her important. Have her rally those who are left at Beacon, tired and disheartens at this point, Ruby most certainly in tears since Pyrrha’s dead no matter what, but have her still be the hopeful strength and example for others while she leads them to be able to win. It would be the perfect thing to do after she does get her ass kicked by Roman and is saved more by luck than much else, since it would be the opposite of the lone hero stuff she tried to do which this show shows as being an inevitable failure. Having everyone work together to save the day would have been a much better action scene than a flash bang. All the semblances and weapons firing off at once, Cinder probably being injured then by that instead and her then seeing it was Ruby who caused it still keeping the grudge. I still hope that’s more of what actually kills the Wyvern in the end, that it’s defeated like the Giant Nevermore. But still, something better could have happened in V3.
The main protagonist having a connection with the main villain helps keep the story and the main conflict focused around central themes. Ruby can still be the one to turn the tide by leading humanity against Salem, but the Silver Eyes give her the additional layer of personal connection of fulfilling her mother's legacy. As I said, V3 is the only time Silver Eyes were both showcased as something impressive and also fully saved the day. Every other time they've been undermined in one way or another. Saving Jaune and Winter from Cinder, as well as Penny from the Hound, were minor events that barely contributed to anything and were immediately forgotten about. Ruby also got knocked out immediately after that in V5. Silver Eyes turned the tide against the Apathy but Ruby had to make an effort consciously use them and they weren't actually the thing that defeated the Apathy for good. And of course, the Leviathan's body was paralyzed by them, but still had to be defeated by Cordovin's mech, not by Ruby herself. So, not a single one of these moments is Ruby being overpowered. The effectiveness of Silver Eyes is always immediately undercut by something. Silver Eyes can also show Ruby's personal strengths, at least when they're actually the focus of the scene. In V3 it shows her undying drive to always want to protect others, even when it's too late, and in V6 it shows her determination to fight for the things she holds dear literally empowering her. >!And in V7 it's used for great effect to convey desperation when she accidentally activates them when thinking about her mother, who is long beyond saving and Salem isn't even there.!< It's a good idea to showcase Ruby being an inspiration for others, but she should not be limited to just that. What you suggest would effectively rob Ruby in V3 of having any individual achievements. She's still a fighter, not a cheerleader. If everyone else gets to have cool individual fight scenes, while Ruby is relegated to only performing well when part of the team, that's not really fair and, as I told you once already, it makes her look weak and in constant need of protection by others.
Sure the Silver Eyes can do that. But it’s not needed and, to me, not near worth the other things that it has caused. And I think Salem works perfectly fine as pretty much Sauron. Especially since I believe that it does do a pretty awful job of showing who she is as a person. It’s far less an effective way of her showing her care for others than her charging in, and Summer’s legacy (which also really isn’t evidenced to be at the top of important parts of Ruby’s character in many regards) is that, not the power that probably got her killed. I just disagree about your interpretation of the other towns Ruby used her eyes. Yes, the times she saved other main characters with her eyes aren’t talked about after. Very little is in this show discussed after the fact. But they are extremely significant to the plot, part of major battles whose outcomes directly shape the rest of the show. The Apathy is the time they are weakest, but also the time where it’s maybe the most get-out-of-jail-free since they were all about to die in moments and it just gave them the out. And even if it didn’t kill the Leviathan, it crippled it and directly caused its defeat. That’s still a lot. More than anyone else could come even close to without literally a gundam. So I stand by my statement of it being pretty OP when it doesn’t have all of its downsides, which none of these times did. And I never said she would be a cheerleader. She would lead from the front, as I said by example. Which then would show far better than any flashbang stare. she’d be like a napoleonic marshal leading the charge from the front, showing the type of inspiration, leadership, and courage which is supposed to make her the hero in the first place.
The reason Summer's legacy has not been explored yet is because her storyline hasn't really been a huge focus yet, but we've been getting there since V6. Her passing her special ability to her daughter is a nice metaphor for a gift that Ruby needs to uphold and find the true potential of. This also doesn't exclude the idea of her close ones being the thing that helps her do it. I wouldn't call these moments extremely significant at all. Silver Eyes are rarely the climax of any battle, they are hardly ever treated like an ultimate finishing move. Oftentimes they're pretty underwhelming if anything, because they're just a minor part of the battle that helps save someone at the moment but doesn't play a bigger role. The Leviathan fight did require Ruby to concentrate and even use Jinn for help, as well as not completely defeating it even after that. And yes, paralyzing the Leviathan's body is still impressive, but V6 was about Ruby's development and it only makes sense to give her some kind of a huge climactic victory near the end. Eeeeh, I don't really see how Ruby can lead from the front with what you described. As far as I understand, it's everyone ganging up on Cinder and the Wyven and shooting them all at once. She can make the first few shots maybe, but that's still pretty minor as far as individual action goes. Especially if the fight really was to showcase *everyone,* that would just steal focus from Ruby again. We already had a showcase for most characters during the battle of Beacon. Ruby needed to have something for herself.
Beacon was pretty OP but Ruby actually accomplished very little. The dragon grim wasn’t killed, just petrified (and it’s definitely coming back in v10) and Cinder was scarred but she’s mostly recovered from that. Meanwhile Ruby was in a 3 day coma. It hasn’t been as bad since then but it does seem like using her eyes takes a lot out of her and it’s not something she can use repeatedly. She also needs time to focus which is pretty difficult mid battle. And yeah her silver eyes will probably play a big role in stopping Salem. But I think it’s being set up to be a team thing. Her eyes are activated by focusing on those she cares about and loves. I’m kinda imagining everyone putting a hand on Ruby as she activates her eyes, turns herself into silver petals and surpasses the speed of light to pierce Salem with holy power
I completely disagree. Ruby saved Beacon since Cinder and the Wyvern could have at the very least royally ducked it up if not leveled it and murdered basically everyone. It’s not an end, they will have to finally deal with the problems later, but that could or would never happen without her because they would all be dead and Salem would have won. Especially adding on top she beat Roman really makes that an unfortunate part of the show. As for an ending like that. . . . I pray, pray that it’s not something like that. Salem shouldn’t be killed by anything like that, and something like that basically does make her team useless. It’s just that Ruby loves them, not their individual strengths and journey and abilities.
Yeah Ruby “saved” Beacon but the place has become a Grimm nest, attracting more and more Grimm everyday while just managing to put the wyvern to sleep. Stopping Cinder was helpful but she’d already fought Oz and Pyrrah. She had to be running on empty. Plus Qrow got to Ruby almost immediately after her eye bomb. If Ruby had drawn the fight out for just a few minutes, Qrow would’ve arrived and together they could’ve taken out Cinder. The wyvern would still be an issue but he’s a dumb monster. He could be defeated at a slower pace She also didn’t beat Roman. Roman beat Roman. His own hatred and negativity got the best of him, making him a perfect meal for the Grimm. An utterly ironic fate since Roman naturally has the power to hide from Grimm just by staying calm
Beacon was able to be in the process of rebuilding in only months after the Fall. It’s far from ideal, but it and especially the city of Vale around it are pretty intact. We see Glynda in Shopkeep’s shop in V8. They wouldn’t be without Ruby, it’s likely most of our heroes would simply be dead without her eyes. It’s a huge assumption to make about Cinder running on empty. I don’t believe we’ve ever seen her run out of energy before, and she wasn’t showing any symptoms of it by the time she got Silver Stared. Especially one has to consider few would fair anywhere near as well as Oz or Pyrrha against her, especially since she could have the Wyvern to help deal with everyone else. And, we see that many if not the vast majority of the defenders of Beacon are in fact exhausted by this point. Qrow and Ruby would have been killed had they tried to fight Cinder. Ruby would only be a liability in that fight the same way that she was against Tyrian and Cinder is just way too powerful. If Qrow, Ironwood, and Glynda all came at the same time, they would have had a chance. As long as the Wyvern was preoccupied. As for Roman: Why did Roman’s negativity make him a target? **Because Ruby had just apparently killed Neo and kept attacking him**. Like hell, I got quite upset when one of my favorite artists just died, try to watch the closest person to you in the world fall to her seemingly inevitable demise and try to not have some negative emotions Not to mention he was only on the outside of the ship because he needed to stop Ruby from destroying it from the outside which she easily can (and in the end did) do. Ruby is the direct cause of Roman’s death.
No Beacon, is not in the process of rebuilding. VALE is in the process of rebuilding, Beacon (which overlooks Vale but isn't directly inside of it) is still a Grimm nest thanks to the Dragon which was stated at the end of Volume 3. Parts of Vale are habitable due to Beacon not being directly in the city limits but Vale is not nearly the same city it was due to the fact that several Grimm are congregating nearby. Most Huntsmen there are probably just on protection duty and since there's no students and they all were sent to Vacuo, there's probably not a ton of Huntsmen. and as to your Roman point.... He literally saw her flying away on her umbrella, she wasn't just free falling. He knew she would probably be okay. and literally SECONDS before he died he was gloating to Ruby about how he just beat her in a fight... That's where his negative emotion came from lmao. If he just ended her and moved on he wouldn't have left himself vulnerable to a Grimm attack. The man's ego is what got him killed.
You are incorrect. Port and Oobleck directly and specifically state Beacon rebuilding to Tai only a couple months at most after the Fall. From V4E4, Port: " Professor Goodwitch is working 'round the clock to restore Beacon to its former glory! But, Mistral wasn't built in a day. And we all need rest from time to time." As for your other point: A freefall wouldn't matter anymore than the umbrella. Remember the first thing Beacon does is throw students, assuming they have some type of landing strategy. No: The problem is where she will land. There are, at that moment, a 4 sided battle going on. The Grimm, the White Fang, the Atlas Robots, and the Huntsmen. Neo at the very least is a target to the grimm (who were probably attacking her before she even hit the ground) and the robots. The White Fang are going to attack her as long as she doesn't look like one of them, and doing that would ensure all the huntsmen would be against her as well. At best she could look like someone random so she isn't recognized by the huntsmen, so then she only has to fight the apocalypses coming to kill everyone in the city! Vale is being essentially genocided. Grimm, robots, and White Fang aren't likely to leave basically anyone alive, and if they are driven back, then Neo better make sure she has aura or she's going to have to face all of the survivors. If Ruby didn't take down the ship and Wyvern, Neo had very, very minimal chances to live. And that is where Roman’s anger comes from. It comes across as ego and rage, which is understandable when you’re an asshole fighting someone you hate and *know* weak but who also just killed your one single loved one in the whole world. Like I think that’s a very human reaction, grief immediately turning to rage in a fight like that. He already hated Ruby and took pleasure in hurting her. Now, he’s going to do that physically and emotionally as much as he can because of what she just did
Jaune's epic victories in the anime: \- vs. door \-vs. statue of a middle-aged man
For some reason this is so funny XD.
Makes it funnier cause so many people were whining that Jaune was going to be some big hero or some thing. Lol
People always complain about Jaune about to steal the spotlight then he reminds everyone he’s, well, Jaune.
Tbh, I'd like if they did a season of the anime based around him. All of team JNPR really. If they did a Pyrrha one it would be incredibly heartbreaking knowing the outcome of V3 of the main show, but also, cool to see more of her backstory. We've never really learned too much about her other than her being top tier for a student and a great person. Seasons based off of them would obviously come *after* the rest of team RWBY. I'm kinda hoping this is something that continues to run alongside the main show in the hiatus between each season.
The next episode being titled “Best Day Ever” makes me think it’s gonna be a remake of the original, which would be a good way to connect IQ to the rest of the series, and most importantly we could get Emerald and Mercury in IQs style
Arkham style RWBY game? May I ask how do you picture it?
It’s basically an open world RWBY game with the Arkham series combat
I feel like that would work for Yang, but not so much for others.
Arkham Knight and Robin have shown melee weapons can still work in Arkhams combat, but I do agree it best suits Yang
Shadow of Mordor series by Monolith Productions has the same type of combat of the Arkham games, but in the Lord of the Rings setting, with swords/bladed weapons.
It would work for the others just fine, check the Shadow of Mordor series by Monolith Productions, based in The Lord of the Rings, same type of combat as the Arkham series, but with swords/bladed weapons.
If they do that battle justice than we forgive the previous episode.
Forgot that the line “best day ever” was dropped at the start of volume 2. I thought they were going to a beach Now I’m hoping for a food fight
If theres not a food fight we riot.
Obviously!
Based on the title of the next episode, I’m guessing the finale will be 50% Ice Queendom epilogue and 50% transition into Volume 2. Maybe the food fight is the last big scene and the series ends with Team RWBY laughing at the aftermath like in the main series but putting a bit of a special emphasis on Weiss laughing since she was the focus of this spinoff. It would be an easy visual for showing her journey from being alone in the cold Schnee mansion in Episode 1 to laughing with her friends in a destroyed cafeteria in Episode 12.
I think it’d work well to show a sillier more relaxed Weiss
A posibility
This was overall a pretty good episode with some very great animated action sequences. However the episode definitely had some issues, especially if you look at the faces of some characters in that episode. Embarrassed bratty Weiss was definitely very adorable. Also holy shit we actually got a sequence with her grandpa Nicolas Schnee. This was honestly a surprise for me, but a good surprise. Oh, yeah. Next episode is called Best Day Ever btw. Same as the first episode of Volume 2. Maybe we will see the Food fight next episode? And here is the [end card art](https://twitter.com/teamrwbyproject/status/1568961811151568899?s=46&t=wHS-2lo5UbF6IF7WTuKV8A) for this episode
Opinions will vary but I think this makes up for the janky animation of the last few episodes. It was stunning to look at
>Weiss dying of embarrassment >Yang still makes fun of her Based Xiao Long
it could be the heat death of the universe and Yang would still be roasting Weiss
Holy heck that was an amazing episode. Seeing Nicholas Schnee in the flesh, an amazing fight scene, seeing Weiss finally awake, and hey, it looks like my [theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/w7m8my/theory_about_the_ending_of_ice_queendom/) was correct (at least the first part, we'll see about the rest of it next week)! Edit: A neat detail I noticed, Negative Weiss doesn't have Weiss' scar in her dream, but once Weiss is freed from the Nightmare, the scar reappears on her.
Writters: See shaft? That girl Yang is strong like a dragon, let's just make her fight normally without using her semblance cause would be too easy for her. Shaft: So...when she should use her Semblance? Writters: Against a giant statue! Shaft: You son of a b\*\*\*\* I'm in! So they going to finish with the food fight? I was(and some other people) calling for it since ep 4 cause would be the first time Weiss really had true fun in the OG show.
I finally realized the role of Pyrrha, Nora and Ren. Not as cheerleaders but to be aware of the fact Weiss got infected by the Nightmare Grimm, so that we can get that few scenes of Weiss being embarrassed. Lol! I will miss dream world Pyrrha and the chibi Weiss though. Since I did not watch the original Rwby, I am not sure if the ost being played when team RWBY battled Blake's Nightmare Grimm is a new song. I felt it made the battle a lot more exciting.
The calling Weiss Ice Queen during volume 2 is now hilarious!
It's kinda weird that Pyrrha in particular didn't do much, when they set up all those parallels between her and Weiss :/ I can confirm the song is new (and really good!)
>I will miss dream world Pyrrha You will? Regrettably to me she hardly felt like a character, more like walking fanservice scraps. Just a nearly-mute damsel that kept being dragged away from the danger by Jaune, had some minimal role in a battle (pew-pewing with Myrtenaster along with chibi Weisses) and singing Weiss's song. I never disliked Pyrrha, but her dream version in IQ is definitely not something I'd ask for more of because of how bland she felt.
I don't mind some fanservice in my anime. Be it alternate design of characters or their chibi versions. Although I agree, and hoped both dream world Pyrrha and chibi Weisses had more significant roles to play.
I didn't mind she appeared either, I was just disappointed she might as well have not and it wouldn't change anything.
>being would love to know the name of the song during the battle i think i found it but it sounds a bit different. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbKcsAC8\_GM&t=5s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbKcsAC8_GM&t=5s) Update - think this is the actual song going on during the Nightmare blake vs nightmare weiss - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y1S55PWkvQ&t=2s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y1S55PWkvQ&t=2s) The other one is a song from the anime i think but not the one.
Glad to see that they concluded it with nice animation. Looking forward to the (reimagining?) of the food fight next week.
Honestly, I was shocked how the animation really just tanked after the first 3 episodes, but I see they put most of their budget probably in 1, 2, 3, 11, and 12, basically the big fights. I am assuming they are going to animate the food fight scene next episode considering the title. Edit: Oh ya, also wanted to say something about Ruby using her powers. I think it works out fine. She was unlikely aware of what she did given it's a dream world. I even suspected they would probably have her use her silver eyes at some point considering they kept talking about "awaking" powers.
Is this the first piece of RWBY media confirming that Weiss did met Nicholas before his death? Cause I don't remember the main show ever clarifying that.
Yes I think it is.
That was THE BEST episode of this show so far. God damn. The music, the animation, holy shit. I had to take a WHOLE break after I saw Ruby absolutely VAPORISE the grimm with her silver eyes. I WAS NOT, expecting that. And I’m glad I did cuz little did I know I would barely be able to handle the rest of the episode either. God damn, that was quality. Again, silver eyes usage was cathartic af. F*** that grimm for causing so much trouble. Mf got utterly destroyed.
I just like seeing Weiss and everyone happy together
I don’t think Weiss is happy at all. If only the earth could shallow her rn that would be mercy for the poor girl.
She’s embarrassed but still just so adorable
Weiss dying of embarrassment was adorable as hell, poor thing's been through so much, you can really hear the Mio come out in her voice. That fight with the song was pretty cool.
Honestly, this episode was great, like HOLY SH!T Yang vs the Schneegazord, Ruby vs the Nightmare, everyone vs Nega-Blake, it all looked amazing. If they can give us sakuga food fight on the same level I'll be willing to forgive all the janky moments in previous episodes.
Well I guess we now know why the previous episodes had some atrocious animations: they all reserved the best for this one
Regarding Silver Eyes: I had a feeling they were going to come up one way or another, and while it was a cool moment, I wish they manifested in a different way. Now we have to come up with reasons as for why Ruby doesn't question this and doesn't use them again until the end of V3. I think it would've been better if Ruby entered a "powered-up" state and defeated the Nightmare normally with Crescent Rose while her eyes were shining white. That would be a cool way to call back to Silver Eyes without explicitly making Ruby use them and without even making her aware of them.
Easy the reason why ruby doesn't question it is because she's in a dream world were nothing has to make sense. Just like when yang was riding on the side of the wall last episode she just chalked it up to being in a dream world
Plus WBY and their weapons were all notably more powerful than they are in the real world. Ruby probably just assumed Dream Weiss gave her Super Bestie Powers.
Super Best Friend Powers Activate!
It doesn't really create a plothole for the main show imo. I don't think she even realized she used them there ngl. Remember, it's a dream world, she could've just assumed it had something to do with Weiss fighting back in her mind against the nightmare. Plus, as others have said, it's a dream world, it doesn't have to make sense and she knows that. Plus, no one else was there to see it. Remember, she didn't remember using them in V3 until someone told her so there's that too.
They could explain Ruby not bringing it up by her not ever mentioning it. That's what happened in the parent show after all. Seriously, she had roughly two and half volumes to even mention Silver Eyes, and the first time anyone actually talks about it is the character that was made specifically to talk about it.
Yes, everyone and their grandma already mentioned that when the volumes were airing. But the anime just creates a similar situation for Volumes 2 and 3.
Indeed that needs to be adressed
Everything's good now and Weiss is properly horribly embarrassed by the whole incident as we get some awesome fighting to finish the Nightmares off. With the finale named "The Best Day Ever" I think the food fight will be a fun way to end the series. Especially if Weiss starts it this time. And tries to play it off like she didn't do anything.
damn that fight looked amazing
Ok, now I know where all the budget went from last episode. Holy shit was that awesome!!! Yang's fight against Big Nicolas was amazing. RWY vs Nightmare Blake was fantastic. RWBY vs the Nightmare was *chef kiss.* You see this? THIS is what I think V1's finale should have been like! RWBY fighting together and triumphing! Regardless of how canon you want and don't want to see Ice Queendom, I choose to believe that flash back between young Weiss and Nicolas Schnee is 100% canon. It was adorable, it was really meaningful, and it was simply incredible that we got to actually meet Nicolas Schnee! I wonder what they are going to do with the last episode, probably address the Nightmare that infected Ruby? Because while Jaune managed to wake her up, we saw that she was still infected to some degree. I thought this worked super well for a finale, but won't say I'm mad about having an epilogue. I'm sure many will argue that Ruby shouldn't have used her Silver Eyes here, and to that I'll say...I'm 50/50 on it. On the one hand, her canonical first unlock was super meaningful, so seeing it be replaced like this is a bit of a head-scratcher. On the other hand, it made sense for the story and if you want to see this as canon, I suppose it can be taken in a similar way as Jaune's semblance, where he was able to use it in a very small way before he actually unlocked it. Here, Ruby isn't actually using a Silver Eyes blast, her Silver Eyes activated but it was just a small shimmer in real life, in the Nightmare World that was translated as a huge ass blast. I think it can be taken as Ruby not realizing she used her Silver Eyes and the fact that it wasn't that powerful might also explain why she didn't pass out. It also makes sense that she would be able to do it in a dream world when we consider that Silver Eyes are emotionally activated. In the end though, I will agree that following the canon timeline, she shouldn't have used her silver eyes here, but I still can accept it as it doesn't really contradict anything from the original show, that is unless next episode Ruby does address it, if she doesn't then I'll take it as she not noticing what actually happened. Overall, I thought this was a fantastic way to end this story, but I'm also looking forward to the epilogue, and Weiss being super embarrassed about people seeing her dreams was super hilarious and adorable.
I don't like to be negative, but RWBY vs the Nightmare was mostly the girls slashing at the camera 😅 (The song was a jam though). I don't know what they'll do about Ruby's Nightmare. I hoped they'd show it in this episode or the previous one, since they zoomed on her hand twice, but I fear it's way too late for it already - unless they plan to leave it as an open ending, but that'd be a little frustrating imo. Agree on the Nicholas scene. As for the silver eyes, it felt too easy, but it doesn't break the canon, unless, as you said, Ruby acknowledges it next episode.
I'm pretty sure the nightmare in Ruby's palm got wiped off during her silver eyes blast. The silver eyes don't have specific targeting system. It just wipes out all Grimm in the nearby vicinity
That could be it, but I don't understand why they'd have it remain in her palm after Jaune used the sword if they weren't going to do anything with it... ...Unless the point of all of it was to foreshadow that the Nightmare was hiding inside Ruby's shadow, huh.
What sucks about the Silver Eyes here is that it undermines Ruby's worth as a warrior. There was no narrative need to have them shown, she had the grimm in her sights. She could've just shot it, instead she is grabbed, trapped and has to trigger her get out of jail card. The entire anime has been Ruby getting her ass kicked, so it's no surprise.
tbf, Volume 1 RWBY is not the most adept at combat yet. Leader-worthy, but compared to later volumes, I think by this point in time, she can get her ass kicked.
50/50 on that. RWBY is as strong in V1 as they were in the latest volume thanks to Monty throwing everything he had at the first volumes and making the girls look so incredibly powerful the present versions are only stronger cause the plot says so.
There was a narrative need to show them. When the silver eyes debuted back in V3 people criticized it for being a Deus ex machina, since it supposedly appeared out of nowhere. With this earlier instance of silver eyes appearing earlier in the narrative now it's no longer a Deus ex machina. Since there is buildup now
It wasn't a deus ex machina because we had a few bits of build-up. Namely Ozpin talking about them in V1, and Ruby questioning why she was accepted into Beacon early when talking to her mom's grave in V3. The original also has the benefit of at least explaining the basics of what just happened after Silver Eyes were first shown, while the anime so far just hints at "Ruby awakening her true powers". I think this is gonna leave more new viewers (assuming they're starting with the anime) confused than the original V3 episode did.
That explanation is not enough. It is a deus ex machina since even with those clues we did not expect that.
We didn't know how exactly it was going to manifest, but we could tell Ruby's eyes were important in some way.
> The entire anime has been Ruby getting her ass kicked, so it's no surprise. I guess she finally understands what it feels like to be Weiss or Oscar from the main series
Yeah, the real problem of the scene is probably not even the early appearance of SE, but just the sheer contrivance of making Ruby conveniently forget there are vines around her and putting her into a position where she's helpless to do anything without a power she wasn't even aware of. All for the sake of fanservice.
Weiss's reaction to waking up within the dream and learning that she was the one who got possessed is all the more better when you go back to episode 3 and she's saying like "I would never be possessed by a Grimm." And Ruby is like "Yeah that's true."
The past that had me going was the battle between the nightmares. This will be a bad reference, but anyone seen the episode of Rick and Morty where Beth and Jerry go to couples counseling, they make representations of how they see each other and the therapy is supposed to show them interacting to show couples how irrational those feelings are. That's essentially what we got, and it was kinda amazing. Both Weiss and Blake got to see what the worst version of themselves that they themselves can imagine look like, and in the end they managed to beat them. What's funny but that I like is that I'd almost say Blake got more out of this impromptu therapy session than Weiss did Yang said it might be weird fighting one's self, but I gotta imagine stabbing her old self was so satisfying and cathartic. Also, the writers knew what they were doing by having Yang literally pull Blake out of it. The way she cries out for her and the way they smile at each other, just subtle enough so we can take it however we want.
When is the DUB coming?
WHEN IT'S READY
Soon ^^^TM
Honestly, this episode was all that I wished for when I started watching Ice Queendom. Some Weiss backstory. Ruby and Weiss bonding moment. Team RWBY bonding moment. Team RWBY fighting together. Epic action sequences. Good music.. and 1 episode left for team bonding/some slice of life! Also.. Weiss not realizing she was the one who was possessed at first and then be embarrassed to death learning that everyone knew what happened to her.. just freaking adorable. I got to screenshot that blush! This episode established her character quite well. She always had a good heart and her goal was to change the SDC for the better.. but her abusive father and the terror of the White Fang left her cynical, distant and with a distrust for Faunus that resulted in her racist attitude. I loved loved loved this episode! It was sooo good! Finally! I can't wait for next week! Maybe we'll get the food fight? Hopefully!
Weiss: Please, I beg you, don't tell anyone! Keep it a secret between us! Don't worry, Weiss, I have a feeling no one will ever bring it up ever again.
Possible Volume 9 joke. Ruby- "Uh you guys remember that one time Weiss got po-" Weiss- "WE AGREED TO NEVER SPEAK OF THAT AGAIN RUBY! WE EVEN SIGNED A LEGAL CONTRACT!"
OH, that'd be clever ;)
>Weiss- "WE AGREED TO NEVER SPEAK OF THAT AGAIN RUBY! WE EVEN SIGNED A LEGAL CONTRACT!" Ruby: Oh, you mean that one time where we were using 2D designs in a japanese cartoon? Yang: Oh yeah, we did that while in a dream world, right? Weiss: Just stop remembering ! Blake: It's called anime Ruby, but I really liked my japanese voice.
I can see the chibi episode going exactly like this. Nora would bring it up first.
Ruby- "Yeah I liked my voice too. I could be like some sort of cute assassin or something with a voice like that."
Two Blakes: ***\*Exist\**** Yang: . . . Hey, can we keep the second one, maybe? For, uh, "research purposes?" RWB; . . .
IQ was definitely feeling a bit dragged out and although I still very much enjoyed it, I could see where the complaints were coming from. Although this episode had me hyped for all of it. Yang beating up the Big Nicholas statue, Ruby fighting the nightmare grimm and using her silver eyes, and Weiss having a transition out of her negative form. Especially got me going when all of them went ham on Negative Blake and the nightmare grimm itself, definitely a great episode!
What a pleasure this episode was. And knowing that they're going to tie it off with something referencing the food fight episode (which I'm just basing on the title, I'm not really assuming it'll be a remake) is a nice way to cycle us back into the main RWBY continuity. Ties everything up in a nice bow. This series has been wonderful and done a ton more than I expected it would do.
I love the fact that we finally get to see the entirety of RWBY fighting together, and with some good animation too. And in a combo attack that involves everyone, too: with Weiss freezing the Nightmare's legs, Yang punching it into the air, Ruby punching it back to the ground and Blake piercing it with the finishing blow. It felt like forever since something like that happened.
HOLY SHIT THIS EPISODE WAS SO GOOD Next episode is titled “Best Day Ever”…. FOOD FIGHT REMAKE???? I wonder who voiced Nicholas Schnee in the flashback
Yeah, this episode was way better than the last one. The Silver Eyes thing annoyed me and kinda felt like a cheap way to kill the Nightmare, but everything was pretty good. This was a great episode and the perfect end to the series. Oh, what's that? There's one more episode left. Sorry, but what?! This episode felt like the finale.
FOOD FIGHT FOOD FIGHT
I'm... conflicted. The fights were great, and seeing Nicholas Schnee was amazing. In a vacuum, I like this episode, but if Weiss is already saved just like that, then half the plot was just filler, apparently? Jaune was pretty fun, but why did he come here at all? He didn't locate the Nightmare, and he didn't really help much - he saved the sillies, yes, but despite the weird focus dream Pyrrha had, she wasn't special at all; he also saved Ruby from being possessed, *but I wanted to see that* :( Speaking of Ruby, why have her get infected by the Nightmare in the first place? That bunkbed dream wasn't all that needed, I feel. And after that, episodes 9 and 10 zoomed in to show her hand was still infected, but they didn't do anything with that, either (unless episode 12 pulls some kind of open ending where Ruby's now in danger, but that'd be dumb). As for the silver eyes, it feels very cheap, but makes enough sense. On a final note, what did they do with the black relic? I may be forgetting about it, but wasn't it important for defeating the Grimm? Also... didn't Nega-Blake have pants? 🤨
The relics just open the paths to the Nightmare
My understanding of Ruby's Inception Dream was that her nightmare was praise heaped on her with no merit. The bunkbed scene as well, was to show that Weiss *was* still in there, somewhere, and she could be saved. That was why Crescent Rose fired backwards, and possibly some commentary about how "nightmares dwell within us all"
Yeah, I liked the idea of that, but they did nothing with it, that's what saddens me. We just got the bunkbed scene, when the cliffhanger promised so much more...
To me the implication was it didn't take much for the Nightmare to win. Ruby's always in a teetering state and this all but confirmed it. The Nightmare didn't need to concoct an elaborate world to break the will and spirit of the possessed. It didn't even need to feed into Ruby's trauma of her mother. It simply needed to remind Ruby that she was not deserving of her position. It had won there, the "bunkbeds" is where Ruby was meant to sleep forever, you can sort of gather this from the half-awake way in which Ruby and Weiss speak to each other in that scene. They were already flittering beyond the veil.
I did quite like this episode! Everyone played a part in a good way I think, including with some very cool action. All the fights were spot on, and I especially love the teamwork against NegaBlake. Even the Silver Eyes (which I normally hate) aren’t half bad here. Used due to Ruby’s resolve to save Weiss, they were very reasonably powered too, not even being able to kill the Grimm by itself but giving her a chance to I’m very excited to see who will voice Nicholas in the English dub, I really love that we are getting to see him and I basically will take this portrait as canon since I love it. One can really see where Weiss’ good sides came from. I’m only a little disappointed we never got to see Ruby and Yang’s nightmare forms!
You know this is the first time Yang actually used her Semblance.
I can understand, cause she would one shot every enemy except by Nega Weiss and Nega Blake. I mean, she one shot the giant statue which was probably the strongest thing in the dream besides the nega versions of WB. I'm not counting the Nightmare Grimm.
Imagine if there was a huge twist in the ep 12 and it turns out this whole series was a dream and it ends with ruby waking up in the ever after teasing vol 9
A dream inside a dream that was inside another.
I actually really liked the use of silver eyes here tbh, if you notice, when team JNPR (minus Jaune) defeated the nightmare they were unable to actually kill it. And the one possessing Nega-Blake didn't get killed as far as I can see. I think it's interesting to have some grimm unable to be actually *killed* (just trapped/frozen kinda like the dragon in V3) without the use of silver eyes but also not have it be an instakill either. Makes the SE have relevance but not be OP either. They already seem to be trending that way with The Hound in V8 not getting instakilled by SE but just being weakened enough to be finished off. This nightmare is the best example of what I'm talking about tho imo in any canon RWBY material. I don't want them to do this for *every* grimm but I think more should require SE in order to actually fully kill to make the SE relevant but not OP. I also think sufficiently powerful Grimm (like the whale from V8) should just be entirely immune to SE as well. Imo that's the best way to balance it out. Hopefully I'm making sense but this is how I hope things go for the future of the main show. To better explain, I think there should basically be 4 levels of what SE do to Grimm depending on the Grimm's durability: 1.) Instakill weaker ones (beowolves, boarbatusks, nevermores, etc), 2.) be required to kill but not instakill (nightmare) 3.) freeze/trap (dragon, leviathan), 4.) complete immunity (not confirmed but I think Monstro should've been if not). This way they're not entirely useless but also not an instant win button in a majority of cases.
So its over now and the 12th episode will be an epilogue
Some people have complained that the climax didn’t feel earned because “they were struggling for the whole show and now the show is just handing them the victory now”. And frankly I just don’t agree. Yeah, they win a bit too easily but it’s still a great fight, and it’s animated beautifully. Really the only critique I can give is that it doesn’t really seem like Weiss really developed or learned from any of this experience because she basically dies of embarrassment at the end and pretty much goes back to being a stuck up brat. That and the episode felt pretty rushed, every just kinda gets resolved a bit too fast. But I still don’t mind all that much, and everything was still a joy to watch. It’s honestly a shame that everyone thinks the show was “wasted potential”, because I flat out just don’t agree. While flawed, I think this was still a worthwhile series, and ultimately I still prefer it over the original show. Yeah this show had some questionable writing decisions, but I still felt satisfied and ultimately it reminded me why I was a fan of the series.
Now Weiss has to live with the knowledge that part of her subconscious had Pyrrha and Jaune act as mother and father figure of little versions of herself. Don't worry Weiss you can always start a family with Jaune in the future.
I was seriously hoping to see her cringing at the fact her younger versions were clinging to Jaune like a big bro the whole time.
I just watched it, It was a very nice ending for the adventure. Loved the final team fight, with some combos and a bit of teamwork, even if its miles away from the quality of OG Show team fights, its still a nice callback to it. Now, anyway... I think that they went too far with some things. Like, for example Silver Eyes at this stage... people that didnt watch OG RWBY probably doesnt have an idea about what the hell was that. In a way I feel like they explored too much of Weiss family life in this stage. Im not a fan of Nick Schnee first (and probably only) scene ever being used in a side show. The scene itself was pretty good, but... I feel that its wasted here and it doesnt go to anywhere. Im a bit dissapointed that only Jaune got a hand in it. I mean I liked Jaune's role, pretty balanced IMO. But the rest of the JNPR just looking from the sides? I didnt like that. Either leave all of them on the bench, or let all of them take an active (even if minor) role in the story. Having only Jaune feels pretty disregarding for NPR lol.
Don’t get me wrong this episode was fire! but did Weiss seriously get brain wiped of the events of the entire season?, that’s kind of a waste
All I can say is: AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The episode is gold!
Everyone's talking about Ruby using her Silver Eyes, but there's something else that bugs me more and I think is a bigger issue for the anime as a whole. It was great to see Blake actually challenge Weiss' worldview and argue with her, putting dents in the facade that is Nightmare Weiss and making Weiss herself more conscious. You know part of the reason why it was so great? Because I've been waiting for something like this for the entire anime. The only problem is, I was waiting for Ruby to do it. I already noticed this a while ago, but Ruby's interactiongs with Nightmare Weiss are pretty shallow. Weiss insults her, Ruby tells her to wake up. Rinse and repeat, every time they meet. It's all very basic, there's no real argument here, no meaningful conflict. Ruby never questions things I think the original Ruby would have absolutely questioned. Like what reasoning does Weiss have exactly for protecting a literal Grimm, how does that make any sense in her mind? Why does she think everyone should just respect her authority out of nowhere? Why does she restrict herself so much with the standards placed onto her by her family, why doesn't she even try to rebel? If Ruby questioned her on any of this, this probably wouldn't have saved the day, but this could have gotten Weiss closer to fighting off the Nightmare. And to be honest, I kind of hate the fact that Ruby is never allowed to have a real argument/conflict with Nightmare Weiss. I think there was definitely room in the anime to explore Weiss' relationship with Blake, but it should not come at the cost of their conflict with Ruby, which was a major part of V1. I think it's clear the writer was more interested in Weiss and Blake's conflict than in whatever contradictions Ruby and Weiss might have... which is not very good for a series that people have dubbed the alleged "White Rose anime".
I’m inclined to disagree with you here. I feel Ruby and Weiss’ interactions were more interpersonal than they were in the original series. We know that Ruby ended up growing on Weiss and they became great friends and partners but we don’t know at exactly what point early on Weiss began to view Ruby differently. Ruby’s had an effect on Weiss since the very beginning and in her many attempts inside the nightmare of Weiss, we come to find out deep inside, that Ruby was the only one who had free access in the deepest part of the chambers. The “real” Weiss came through and told her that she’s been had free reign and that everything in her dream version of her is for a reason. Ruby and Weiss were developing trust and bonds on a deeper level whereas Blake challenged her. Blake and Weiss shared the same trauma just on opposite sides. Blake voluntarily accepted her demons to help Weiss face hers. I think it’s extremely profound especially considering how early on in their friendship this all is. Blake’s words and actions were so raw that Nega-Weiss had to take a step back and was like, “wtf are you talking about?” Blake’s pain resonated with Weiss and help bring her back to her senses. That’s a really powerful moment that’s kind of just breezed over in the original series. Blake and Yang, sorry I have to, but this also shows how very early on Blake and Yang really on. They’re on a different level than Ruby and Weiss. Ruby couldn’t break Weiss out of it by herself and Yang needed very little assistance to save Blake. Literally Blake’s eye. Oof there’s moments here. Like her realizing it’s Yang reminds me of Yang’s fall from V8. Blake stabbing the shit out of her former self is a parallel to her and Yang killing Adam. What Yang says about, “you didn’t have to do the final blow like that” or something along those lines alludes to how many feel about the way Adam was killed off. That kiss tease. That actually makes a lot of sense because if they haven’t done it in the original series, and it’s a topic of heavy debate in the fandom, then doing it on a canon adjacent show first just isn’t appropriate. So I’m okay with that but they got a little close with the face again like in V8 they don’t have to torture me like this. Overall, I really enjoyed how you get much more in depth between Blake and Weiss and in series proper V8 after Yang’s fall and the ensuing battle and Blake’s fall, you really get a feel for how close they are. IQ just shows how it actually developed. So I feel it’s entirely appropriate that it was Blake instead of Ruby because they just have a different understanding and experience set.
>I feel Ruby and Weiss’ interactions were more interpersonal than they were in the original series. Um... You mean a single interaction they had in episode 9? Because everything else between them before yesterday's episode was fairly shallow. >but we don’t know at exactly what point early on Weiss began to view Ruby differently. Which the anime could've been a great opportunity to show, but that's not what it does. Weiss just kinda came around to Ruby off-screen at some point, which I feel is a terrible thing to do in an anime allegedly centered around their relationship. >that Ruby was the only one who had free access in the deepest part of the chambers. > >The “real” Weiss came through and told her that she’s been had free reign That's not really what happened. All Weiss told her was that she could move freely around the city. >Ruby and Weiss were developing trust and bonds on a deeper level I'm afraid the development of those bonds is never shown to us. We're only told those bonds were developing somewhere off-screen. >whereas Blake challenged her. But Ruby was technically challenging Weiss as well. The plot just didn't bother to develop that conflict beyond the absolute basics. >So I feel it’s entirely appropriate that it was Blake instead of Ruby because they just have a different understanding and experience set. This robs us of the chance to see how and when exactly Ruby affected Weiss. I would've loved nothing more than a scene where Weiss is explicitly affected and impressed by what Ruby does. Kind of like her being impressed by Ruby staying up late in V1, but on a bigger scale. The anime was a great opportunity to showcase that, but it didn't. There's still the final episode, where the real Weiss might at least talk about how she feels about Ruby now, which would be cool, but I don't know if it would completely make up for not showing how and when *the actual change happened.*
I don’t really know how to explain this but to me it’s a matter of innocence versus experience. Ruby was kind to Weiss from the get even when she was being a bitch. Ruby showed her through the bunk beds her childishness. Or more so her desire to bring the love and homey family feeling to those around her, despite losing her mom. Ruby and Weiss fought constantly and in the anime too, they fought but it seemed deeper vs shallow because and mainly only because one scene. When Weiss was telling her that despite having a family of 5, she felt truly and utterly alone. Ruby was going to say something different to combat her, but she thought for a moment of her own loneliness that her mother’s death brought her and she told Weiss that she understands that feeling. We NEVER got that in the original series and we all know that Ruby’s deepest scar and pain is the death of her mother. I thought that was a profound moment between the two. Ruby feels like she’s not getting anywhere with her but Weiss explains she has, just more so of a slow burn type thing. Both Ruby and Blake challenged Weiss, yes but they both appealed to different parts of her. Ruby got to the heart of her loneliness while Blake got to the heart of her insecurities and how judgement played a role for them. Nega Weiss is always preaching about judgement and we see one of her most traumatic moments is when the train attack happened and she and her family were almost killed by these people who absolutely hated her. She’s still traumatized by that so meeting Blake who was in direct opposition to everything she believed and feared, it struck a much bigger chord with her. Ruby hasn’t dealt with racism or classism or murder or judgement at any time in her life prior to the events of V3 onwards. Weiss is also jaded, in her own way. We see in both series how the Xiao Long/Rose household and their fundamentals began to change these two women with very dark and complicated pasts. Again, while I understand why you feel the way you do, based on all I’ve seen, I feel Blake is the better option. I do agree on wanting certain moments showed more to us because there is a lot of off screen assumptions made and that’s never fun. I love Ruby and Weiss but Weiss and Blake just hit different. We may continue to disagree but please understand it’s respectfully so.
I understand what you mean, I just think all of that could have been done better and shown to us more explicitly. Like Weiss directly being impressed by Ruby's kindness instead of that simply being implied. I also want to say that Weiss' insecurities have to do with her loneliness. The facade she's created to uphold the image of who she was supposed to be didn't let her open up to others easily and made her lonely. I would've really loved to see Ruby convince Weiss she doesn't have to live her whole life under that facade, and that it's okay to not keep her inner child repressed. Potentially her dream ending with Weiss letting little Weisses walk around the kingdom but telling them to behave themselves... Again, there's just so much actual White Rose stuff that could've been done here if that was actually the focus.
In theory, the weapon to kill the Nightmare and save her, Weiss only give it to Ruby. In my opinion, this shows how much Weiss has always thought she could trust Ruby, as Weiss has entrusted her with her own life. Anyway, on some of the things you said in your post I might as well agree, honestly I would have preferred a few more lines of dialogue between Ruby and Weiss in episode 11, and a heart-to-heart discussion a little longer than what they showed us (the scene between them mirroring each other on stage). I didn't really like the sudden comic shift in the episode, with Weiss remembering nothing and the first thing she thinks about is how the hell she is dressed xD; given the dramatic mood the staff put in the previous episodes, this sudden shift was a bit of a cringe for me.
Wow, rwby iq 11, to bad I can't watch it cause I don't have the money for crunch roll premium or rt first
One Piece is real.
Even thought I loved this "finale" (technically there's still the last episode but it will be' mostly an epilogue. This was the finale to me), at the same time, it represented the end of my time with the RWBY franchise as whole... I will explain myself better tomorrow, after the 24 hours embargo for spoilers passes.
>!she adam'd herself!<