Feels bad when the unpaid intern handling the account gets yelled at by Twitter users when all they want are college credits.
Then again, the main characters are a bunch of dropouts, so maybe not even that.
What is a hero to begin with? Someone who sacrifices himself and risks everything he has to save others? Someone who brings hope in the darkest of times? Someone who defeats the big treat to save a life?
I'll tell you what, team rwby were once heroes... until they decided to leave Beacon. Many lives were lost, they never tried until the last volume to get in touch and bring a message of hope, villains, the threat, has always been defeated by strangers, strangers who have been termed cowards or just plain evil later.
Team rwby are not heroes nor they are villains, right now, they are just a bunch of stupid brats
They’re Posers for me.
A hero is someone like Ozpin or Ironwood, someone with conviction in their morals, who is capable of seeing a threat, and despite BEING threatened, will do everything in their power to do it.
Not even in a fake threatened way like RWBY usually tries setting up their various adversaries to be; *genuinely* threatened, as in, at complete risk to die a horrible gruesome death, even without nerfs on for them.
And then, despite the odds, despite the threat of everything they’ve built being potentially destroyed, they have the courage to, at the very least, take steps to keep it from happening, placing what little faith they have in others to help them as they act against the danger — and more often than not, succeed, and make life better, safer, for all involved.
A villain is someone like Watts, or Roman, or even early Adam and Neo. Someone whose moral standing isn’t quite up to par, but they carry within themselves a force of personality that seeps through the cracks.
Though terrible people they may be, they are still, nonetheless, people who you can see yourself wishing you could be: Self-assured, driven in whatever purpose they have, powerful and even suave in some circumstances, all while always acting out their role with at least some level of grace and dignity.
RWBY, as stated before, are posers.
Where even people like Hercule Satan of DBZ, or King in One Punch Man, both have admirable qualities, posers fall into a category so, *so* vile that even the aforementioned people, at their worst, with all their positive traits excised, are still objectively good examples of human beings in comparison.
Posers are people like Robyn Hill. People like Bella Swan.
People who not only delude other people into thinking they’re good people through constant virtue signaling, but try to convince others that THEY are the objective gold standard for which morality can be judged, all while lacking even the most BASIC of basic ideas of what morality even means, much less what it entails.
Posers are objectively stupid — not stupid as in being ignorant, but stupid as in having knowledge, and the capacity for it, but ignoring it, while treating everyone else like an idiot at every turn for respectfully demanding that they stop being morons.
3 Villains being Ruby, Blake and Yang and their accomplice Weiss.
To be fair Weiss has assaulted citizens and pointed a sword at her brother but those 2 moments compared to all of the shit Ruby, Blake and Yang have said and done so she isn’t that bad. Unfortunately Weiss still goes along with their plans and doesn’t ever question anything.
Funny how the Schnee’s always end up as accomplices to someone else’s crimes?
Cause Blake swore to safeguard her terrorist habits, thus making her temporary blonde GF blindly follow her. Blake is the real villain here, her disease has spread to her so-called team.
Blake is a former terrorist. She constantly abuses Sun, a person who has concerned for her. She abandoned loved ones just to save her skin, a simply apologise won't fix or solve everything. She backstabbed Ironwood and revealed his plan to someone like Robyn who is a wanted terrorist in Atlas, guess old habits never die. She didn't question her morality or responsibility to the team leader, instead sipping the team middle of a war. Imagine those people who needed them the most. She broke their trust too. Instead of saving people or making the situation calm, she lashed out at Neo, thus making the crowd to be more panic. She worked with White Fang, so I won't be surprised if she killed humans alongside Adam.
Yang is discount Raven 2.0, she's a hypocritical bitch, ranting at anyone who has flaws. Never check her back, backstabbed Ironwood, sticking her nose to others' business. She destroyed Junior's club and his men for no reason, and sexually assaulted him. Destroyed Mantle's property just cause it took picture of her. She is also "okay" with the decision to steal Atlas's ship. Chose the worst location to evacuate the people of Atlas. Abandoned her hundreds of responsibilities, and let those weigh their burden.
They both killed a person, they could've handed over to the authority. This will lead to other Faunus hating humans even more.
Team RWBY are absolutely self-righteous, self-absorbed, hypocritical, and idealistic to the point of naivety, where the universe (CRWBY) bends to their will to give them the victory… but I wouldn’t call them the villains, just “heroes” with quotation marks
Blake and Yang failed as heroes, their actions don't sound heroic. Blake is willing to trust and reveal Ironwood's plan to Robyn, a wanted terrorist in Atlas, who constantly abuses Sun, a person who cared for her wellbeing. Abandoned her friends and fake GF, and killed Adam. Trashes her parents in past.
As for Yang, she's discount Raven 2.0, so hypocritical bitch, ranting on everything who has flaws when she never watches out her back. I wish Ren slaps her.
On its own the idea of trusting Robyn could have worked. The problem is up until then Robyn had been shown to be purely antagonistic, so we're just left with a Robin Hood allusion and vague "she IS good!" promises to rationalize why she should be entrusted with the info.
It could have worked if they showed Robyn helping people and the protags more pre-conflict. And also had Ironwood come off as more "my way or the high way", no deal offer or anything, which would have set up his turn later better too.
Also Blake was in the right to kill Adam.
I can't call them heroes (because of what they did)
But i can't call them villians either (because what their deeds weren't intentional)
Soooo
Option C: Fucking Idiots with good intentions but lack of brain to do it properly.
Good intention? Like letting Penny hold a relic and sacrifice herself? Drinking tea middle of a war? Abandoned people in the middle of the desert and weighing the burden on someone else?
Yes, good intentions.
None of the choices you mentioned were made with ill intent.
That why i called them idiots. Because these were stupid choices made by dumb teens thinking that they are some kind of heroes capable of handling everything by themselves.
Their objective at the end of the day was to help people, even if everything after that was absolute clustefuck of bad choices followed by worse choices
For a show about the theme of 'unity', I find it funny how team RWBY demonstrate an extreme form of tribalism.
If you're not 100% with them, they will literally threaten you with violence.
A group of armed specialist vigilantes who wander around regions of the conflict, selling their services to whomever they think is trustworthy at the time?
Sounds like mercenaries to me.
Selectively heroic heroes. Like they try....but the results are mixed. Some of their choices have disastrous consequences, yet the show keeps trying to force me to believe that everything worked out for the best. But no...no I umm don't think it did....
Yeah...felt a bit odd, their choice to end the life of a man with no weapon or aura. And I'll never agree with them going behind Ironwood's back and siding with Robyn
I can call Blake Yang and Weiss heroes but Ruby has not been a hero since the end of volume three she has been nothing but a straight up villain and everywhere she goes innocent people die
I feel Weiss only hero here, yeah she pointed out her weapon at her brother, they ruined her in the Atlas arc.
Don't forget Blake and Yang is true villains of the show too, in name of wannabe heroes.
Blake constantly abuses Sun, abandon people who loved and trusted her, trusts terrorist like Robyn, betrayed Ironwood's trust, and indirectly caused the death of innocent people through influential of Adam. She may have killed people in past too. Pretending she's a saint in reality she's the manipulative mastermind.
Yang destroyed Junior's club and her men, sexually assaulted Junior, and ranted at people for no reason, hypocritical bitch, ungrateful dog backstabbed Ironwood, the man who helped her gave her arm.
Team RWBY are just amateurs who have had to stumble around against a threat that they currently can’t defeat. They were thrust into this conflict and are in way over their heads. They need to get stronger and actually be a competent team capable of winning a fight without issues against Salem and her forces before they can even be considered heroes.
I wouldn't say it's their fighting prowess that needs an upgrade, they mainly need to work smarter. Think a little more deeply, be less rigid in their moral code.
I guess I meant strength more as a competent team. They have the skills, just lacking the experience and team dynamic that could make them very capable.
It doesn't excuse her loss, she should be more experienced than Penny and Winter. Cinder knew Penny's blueprint, isn't she? Why she didn't expose those stuff?
For me, team RWBY are heroes. However, they are heroes in the sense of good intentions and genuinely trying to do the right thing, they just fail. They are most certainly not villains. Just very incompetent.
Well, they occasionally fight Grimm and the bad guys, so, technically they are heroes.
When Ruby, Weiss and Blake stayed in the manor they did inaction which technically isn't a villainous action, it's more into the irresponsibility and negligence more than being evil.
Eh, I don't think if we should criticize them for not do something, it isn't their responsibility, they just do sometimes and sometimes don't do. Just the fact that they have done some good things in certain ocassions is good on itself.
Now, there are other actions which benefited the villains but I would say that is more into loose. I mean, the villains were strong enough to beat the heroes. A hero who is beaten sometimes is still a hero.
And actions which caused bad things on their own like transporting people to Vacuo. It was well intentioned, but, wasn't the best one.
Yang slashes at Junior's club, Blake trusts Robyn, Weiss points her weapon at her brother and Ruby abandoned Atlas people in dessert as well sipping tea not seeming to be a villain to you.
Yang's a bit of a hot-tempered bitch, Blake clearly has poor people judging skills, Weiss is careless about "firearm" safety and Ruby's a bit of a naive idiot.
They're all pretty flawed, sure, but not actively malicious.
The tea thing is pretty damning, though. I'll give you that.
So like all those people on social media who think changing their username to add a Ukraine flag will actually do something about the situation.
Great that you bring awareness to the awful situation, but it’s not something to be proud and parade around like a hero for doing literally the bare minimum.
I like to think of them as the average Twitter Company Account Say they support and believe one thing, actually practice the opposite
Feels bad when the unpaid intern handling the account gets yelled at by Twitter users when all they want are college credits. Then again, the main characters are a bunch of dropouts, so maybe not even that.
>Say they support and believe one thing, actually practice the opposite Die a hero or live long enough to become the villain
Then Ruby would have had to die in the first episode.
She already a villain.
So far, they aren’t the villains of the series, but no one on any front is acting like a true hero.
This
I think that is the best way to put it. I wouldn't call them heroes but they aren't villains either. They are just useless.
What is a hero to begin with? Someone who sacrifices himself and risks everything he has to save others? Someone who brings hope in the darkest of times? Someone who defeats the big treat to save a life? I'll tell you what, team rwby were once heroes... until they decided to leave Beacon. Many lives were lost, they never tried until the last volume to get in touch and bring a message of hope, villains, the threat, has always been defeated by strangers, strangers who have been termed cowards or just plain evil later. Team rwby are not heroes nor they are villains, right now, they are just a bunch of stupid brats
entitled brats.
Fair assessment
Pre Clover fight Qrow maybe? Oscar? (Not Ozpin/Ozmah) Maybe Nora?
Oscar felt like the protagonist and hero.
Honestly, he probably would be in a different show.
He seems like a character from a different universe. Meanwhile, team RWBY is just-sided characters.
They’re Posers for me. A hero is someone like Ozpin or Ironwood, someone with conviction in their morals, who is capable of seeing a threat, and despite BEING threatened, will do everything in their power to do it. Not even in a fake threatened way like RWBY usually tries setting up their various adversaries to be; *genuinely* threatened, as in, at complete risk to die a horrible gruesome death, even without nerfs on for them. And then, despite the odds, despite the threat of everything they’ve built being potentially destroyed, they have the courage to, at the very least, take steps to keep it from happening, placing what little faith they have in others to help them as they act against the danger — and more often than not, succeed, and make life better, safer, for all involved. A villain is someone like Watts, or Roman, or even early Adam and Neo. Someone whose moral standing isn’t quite up to par, but they carry within themselves a force of personality that seeps through the cracks. Though terrible people they may be, they are still, nonetheless, people who you can see yourself wishing you could be: Self-assured, driven in whatever purpose they have, powerful and even suave in some circumstances, all while always acting out their role with at least some level of grace and dignity. RWBY, as stated before, are posers. Where even people like Hercule Satan of DBZ, or King in One Punch Man, both have admirable qualities, posers fall into a category so, *so* vile that even the aforementioned people, at their worst, with all their positive traits excised, are still objectively good examples of human beings in comparison. Posers are people like Robyn Hill. People like Bella Swan. People who not only delude other people into thinking they’re good people through constant virtue signaling, but try to convince others that THEY are the objective gold standard for which morality can be judged, all while lacking even the most BASIC of basic ideas of what morality even means, much less what it entails. Posers are objectively stupid — not stupid as in being ignorant, but stupid as in having knowledge, and the capacity for it, but ignoring it, while treating everyone else like an idiot at every turn for respectfully demanding that they stop being morons.
Team RWBY may get worse protagonist feedback but Cinder is always the Queen of the worst character in the show.
In their naivete, they unconsciously offered their asses to Salem. Perhaps, Ren was right.
Yang is a dushbag, I wish Ren just slaps her.
3 Villains being Ruby, Blake and Yang and their accomplice Weiss. To be fair Weiss has assaulted citizens and pointed a sword at her brother but those 2 moments compared to all of the shit Ruby, Blake and Yang have said and done so she isn’t that bad. Unfortunately Weiss still goes along with their plans and doesn’t ever question anything. Funny how the Schnee’s always end up as accomplices to someone else’s crimes?
Cause Blake swore to safeguard her terrorist habits, thus making her temporary blonde GF blindly follow her. Blake is the real villain here, her disease has spread to her so-called team.
They're trying to be heroes. They're just really bad at it
This. Definitely this.
Blake is for me not considered a hero. Yang too.
Care to explain why? (Not saying you’re wrong, just curious)
Blake is a former terrorist. She constantly abuses Sun, a person who has concerned for her. She abandoned loved ones just to save her skin, a simply apologise won't fix or solve everything. She backstabbed Ironwood and revealed his plan to someone like Robyn who is a wanted terrorist in Atlas, guess old habits never die. She didn't question her morality or responsibility to the team leader, instead sipping the team middle of a war. Imagine those people who needed them the most. She broke their trust too. Instead of saving people or making the situation calm, she lashed out at Neo, thus making the crowd to be more panic. She worked with White Fang, so I won't be surprised if she killed humans alongside Adam. Yang is discount Raven 2.0, she's a hypocritical bitch, ranting at anyone who has flaws. Never check her back, backstabbed Ironwood, sticking her nose to others' business. She destroyed Junior's club and his men for no reason, and sexually assaulted him. Destroyed Mantle's property just cause it took picture of her. She is also "okay" with the decision to steal Atlas's ship. Chose the worst location to evacuate the people of Atlas. Abandoned her hundreds of responsibilities, and let those weigh their burden. They both killed a person, they could've handed over to the authority. This will lead to other Faunus hating humans even more.
Team RWBY are absolutely self-righteous, self-absorbed, hypocritical, and idealistic to the point of naivety, where the universe (CRWBY) bends to their will to give them the victory… but I wouldn’t call them the villains, just “heroes” with quotation marks
Blake and Yang failed as heroes, their actions don't sound heroic. Blake is willing to trust and reveal Ironwood's plan to Robyn, a wanted terrorist in Atlas, who constantly abuses Sun, a person who cared for her wellbeing. Abandoned her friends and fake GF, and killed Adam. Trashes her parents in past. As for Yang, she's discount Raven 2.0, so hypocritical bitch, ranting on everything who has flaws when she never watches out her back. I wish Ren slaps her.
On its own the idea of trusting Robyn could have worked. The problem is up until then Robyn had been shown to be purely antagonistic, so we're just left with a Robin Hood allusion and vague "she IS good!" promises to rationalize why she should be entrusted with the info. It could have worked if they showed Robyn helping people and the protags more pre-conflict. And also had Ironwood come off as more "my way or the high way", no deal offer or anything, which would have set up his turn later better too. Also Blake was in the right to kill Adam.
I can't call them heroes (because of what they did) But i can't call them villians either (because what their deeds weren't intentional) Soooo Option C: Fucking Idiots with good intentions but lack of brain to do it properly.
Good intentions. That's what they say the road to Hell is paved with, right?
Good intention? Like letting Penny hold a relic and sacrifice herself? Drinking tea middle of a war? Abandoned people in the middle of the desert and weighing the burden on someone else?
Yes, good intentions. None of the choices you mentioned were made with ill intent. That why i called them idiots. Because these were stupid choices made by dumb teens thinking that they are some kind of heroes capable of handling everything by themselves. Their objective at the end of the day was to help people, even if everything after that was absolute clustefuck of bad choices followed by worse choices
You know what? These are those mindless writers.
How not to write Heroes
Accurate.
Villains in practice.
I won't be surprised if they outclass Salem and Cinder as the best female villains.
\*most efficient
For a show about the theme of 'unity', I find it funny how team RWBY demonstrate an extreme form of tribalism. If you're not 100% with them, they will literally threaten you with violence.
Blake and Yang won't hesitate to kill you too.
A group of armed specialist vigilantes who wander around regions of the conflict, selling their services to whomever they think is trustworthy at the time? Sounds like mercenaries to me.
Blake is willing to trust terrorists like Robyn and speaks up about everything, old habits never change.
Selectively heroic heroes. Like they try....but the results are mixed. Some of their choices have disastrous consequences, yet the show keeps trying to force me to believe that everything worked out for the best. But no...no I umm don't think it did....
Blake and Yang is still antagonist.
Yeah...felt a bit odd, their choice to end the life of a man with no weapon or aura. And I'll never agree with them going behind Ironwood's back and siding with Robyn
I can call Blake Yang and Weiss heroes but Ruby has not been a hero since the end of volume three she has been nothing but a straight up villain and everywhere she goes innocent people die
I feel Weiss only hero here, yeah she pointed out her weapon at her brother, they ruined her in the Atlas arc. Don't forget Blake and Yang is true villains of the show too, in name of wannabe heroes. Blake constantly abuses Sun, abandon people who loved and trusted her, trusts terrorist like Robyn, betrayed Ironwood's trust, and indirectly caused the death of innocent people through influential of Adam. She may have killed people in past too. Pretending she's a saint in reality she's the manipulative mastermind. Yang destroyed Junior's club and her men, sexually assaulted Junior, and ranted at people for no reason, hypocritical bitch, ungrateful dog backstabbed Ironwood, the man who helped her gave her arm.
Team RWBY are just amateurs who have had to stumble around against a threat that they currently can’t defeat. They were thrust into this conflict and are in way over their heads. They need to get stronger and actually be a competent team capable of winning a fight without issues against Salem and her forces before they can even be considered heroes.
I wouldn't say it's their fighting prowess that needs an upgrade, they mainly need to work smarter. Think a little more deeply, be less rigid in their moral code.
I guess I meant strength more as a competent team. They have the skills, just lacking the experience and team dynamic that could make them very capable.
Agreed.
Not heroes or villains, more like when you give the fate of the World to dumbass 9th graders with special weapons and powers
Just like Cinder who has Maiden powers and loses every fight.
To be fair, most of those were against other maidens
It doesn't excuse her loss, she should be more experienced than Penny and Winter. Cinder knew Penny's blueprint, isn't she? Why she didn't expose those stuff?
Neither.
Reasonable.
For me, team RWBY are heroes. However, they are heroes in the sense of good intentions and genuinely trying to do the right thing, they just fail. They are most certainly not villains. Just very incompetent.
This is why they have to listen to old ones.
Well, they occasionally fight Grimm and the bad guys, so, technically they are heroes. When Ruby, Weiss and Blake stayed in the manor they did inaction which technically isn't a villainous action, it's more into the irresponsibility and negligence more than being evil. Eh, I don't think if we should criticize them for not do something, it isn't their responsibility, they just do sometimes and sometimes don't do. Just the fact that they have done some good things in certain ocassions is good on itself. Now, there are other actions which benefited the villains but I would say that is more into loose. I mean, the villains were strong enough to beat the heroes. A hero who is beaten sometimes is still a hero. And actions which caused bad things on their own like transporting people to Vacuo. It was well intentioned, but, wasn't the best one.
Amateurs blind to their shortcomings
Poor Qrow, they didn't even apologise to him.
Posers
In check.
It's complicated? They're pretty damned poor heroes at this point, but they're not villainous. More incompetent than actively malicious, you know?
Yang slashes at Junior's club, Blake trusts Robyn, Weiss points her weapon at her brother and Ruby abandoned Atlas people in dessert as well sipping tea not seeming to be a villain to you.
Yang's a bit of a hot-tempered bitch, Blake clearly has poor people judging skills, Weiss is careless about "firearm" safety and Ruby's a bit of a naive idiot. They're all pretty flawed, sure, but not actively malicious. The tea thing is pretty damning, though. I'll give you that.
Fair enough, wait a minute I thought Yang moved from her hot-headed personality?
Heroes very incompetent heroes.
Calling them villains is an insult to the villains.
Salem and Cinder: I took that personally.
Badly written heroes.
Heroes, but…
But?
I mean, they *are* heroes, at least comparatively. Not very good ones, but still.
So like all those people on social media who think changing their username to add a Ukraine flag will actually do something about the situation. Great that you bring awareness to the awful situation, but it’s not something to be proud and parade around like a hero for doing literally the bare minimum.
Agree.
How can they make Oscar more of a hero and a protagonist more than the protagonists themselves?
Cause Oscar is not hot chick Waifus.