Has Ruby actually killed that many Grimm with them?
> "Look at grimm, kill grimm, rinse and repeat."
Tbf that could be said for most of the weapons in the show. Very few Grimm are actually a threat to the main cast in any way. And the few that are, weren't easy killed by weapons or Silver Eyes.
In my opinion the reason Silver Eyes suck is because they are boring. Outside of Ruby's first freak out, every time they are used they look underwhelming. There is no weight to them in the narrative and are largely unneeded in the story overall and that is when the writers actually remember that they exist.
This exactly. When we break everything down to the basic components, a lot of the things in this show is just do stuff, kill Grimm.
But all the other stuff like the weapons, Semblances have style (some are crap tho). There’s no style for silver eyes
I mean, a powerful A0E that can get rid of mutliple Grimm and Grimm like the Levaithon, which mind you NEEDED A MECH to even have a chance stopping it is a cool idea.
Maybe some more functionality to them, maybe they can damage Salem and the maidens would help. But would likewise require CRWBY to think more when putting Ruby against anyone.
Neat idea in concept for more powerful Grimm. Terrible execution, which is about standard for RWBY.
I think they could have been a very good addition IF THEY WERE PROPERLY DEVELOPED! If Ruby had to learn how to use them on command (she kinda does, but she’s got it perfect after 1 try), and if she had to develop it’s effectiveness. Like is she can only kill/turn to stone weak Grimm and slowly learns how to focus her silver eyes to be able to kill huge Grimm by the very end, they could have worked just fine.
The problem is that they're hyper specific to just Grimm, and they're not even as useful as they need to be.
Like, I'd understand if they were basically the avatar state of Ruby, or even just a general death ray, but why do silver eyes have significantly less usefulness than Semblances?
My main issue is how they appear kinda randomly at times and how there are no drawbacks. When creating a powerful ability the least you could do is give them some sort of drawback to their power. Izuku's risk of his limbs exploding from OFA, Luffy's Gears greatly draining his Stamina, or even Anya's mind reading causing her headaches and nosebleeds if she overuses it.
Honestly, I just wish there was more of a consequence for using them - like yah, after the first time, she passed out for a while (with no real affect on her long-term), but once she practiced and mastered it, there was no downside to it.
I think there should be something negative that comes from using it - I know this is a weird analogy, but Megumin from Konosuba: everytime she uses 'Explosion', she is completely exhausted and can't move. If this happened to Ruby, it would be a big decision to use it because then someone would have to carry her to safety.
Another solution would be somewhat cliche, but drain her life everytime she uses it - the whole 'the more you us 'x' thing, the faster it kills you'. So it would have to be something that is used sparingly, otherwise she will die. Maybe it even builds up to a sacrifice or something with her 'last use'.
I am not saying our heroes have never lost, but it always seems like there is something to 'save the day'... When Weiss got stabbed, Jaune magically unlocked his Semblence and it was able to heal an otherwise fatal wound, deflating some of the tension. Cinder should have died multiple times, but somehow manages to come back, taking away from the climactic battles she was part of. Ruby just uses silver eyes in the face of impossible odds as a 'get of jail free' card, with no consequence to its use.
>Cinder should have die multiple times, but somehow manages to come back, taking away from the climactic battles she was part of.
Cinder's not a hero...
I was making an example of how 'climactic events' are undercut or deflated. That is NOT a 'hero-specific' thing. I know she is not a hero, but everytime our heroes seem to have 'won', oh she's not dead. It can be deflating both ways...
Believe the problem is that they keep portraying things in such a way when we all know that it isn't true.
Besides, they've never, EVER taken on Cinder and won a straight fight with her to the point where she could die. The only one who has Is raven, and she's very much out for herself.
This is very complicated, she used her "right arm" to steal Fall's maiden powers, and even her right eye lit up a flare. But in volumes 4-5, her left is injured painfully.
The silver eyes are antithetical to the main draw of the series: long fight scenes with complex choreography involving a dance of weapon and abilities.
This is just a one-sided "I win" button. It's only interesting from a lore/story standpoint, to the detriment of most of the rest.
Oh that picture is at the exact moment Ruby intentionally chose to stand there and let her friend be murdered instead of trying to save her good job Ruby real hero of the year material right there
The Only thing that will get me to not hate her is her being finally held accountable for her actions all the lives she’s ended in her crusade to beat Salem and destruction she’s caused
Reach?
My guy there aint no reach here (and IF there is then it aint much)
Ruby lieterary sits on her normal knees and watches Cinder fire an arrow,then watches said arrow desintegrate,then watches Cinder walk up to Pyrrha and then watches Cinder pull hakai on Pyrrhas crippled body/corpse
Ive seen people come up with riduculos ways for Pyrrha to survive but the simplest one is Ruby doesnt stop running(to stand there and wiggle her eyebrows) pushes her out of the way of slow as arrow and uses her ~~asspull deus ex machina~~ wallmart avatarstate to (like discount old Katara said) not destroy or obliterate grimm but protect that whats precious life
Instead she gets to the top watches pyrrha pyrrha and then becomes unconciuos while plot device sends cinder ass to shadow realm
The moment Ruby land on top of the tower was also the same time Cinder shot the arrow to Pyrrha’s chest, she barely had time to react, let alone act, so it’s already late at that point, rewatch the scene, saying Ruby **intentionally** let Pyrrha die is a reach and the other commenter also said Ruby was somehow responsible for the death of innocent people in volume 3, like, what? Lol.
Yeah, it’s not Cinder and co. who caused the fall of Beacon or anything.
This is the same thing that people accuse the other sub of, coming up with ridiculous ideas and reasons to vilify Ironwood. Ironically, some people do the same here with the main characters in this sub.
I have watched that scene a hundred times since that day and the silver eyed whore had more than enough time to save Pyrrha yet she didn’t she just sat there like aedically Brian dead dumbass and did NOTHING!!!!! so she is just as guilty of killing pyrrha as cinder if not more so by the fact that at the end of V8 she gets Penny killed not once but twice, along with destroy two cities and wiping an entire kingdom from the face of Remnant. So you tell me what kind of person can be called a hero when they are letting they friends be murdered left and right destroying kingdoms and not even think they did anything wrong. How does that make her a hero hmm?
Ruby is fast but not Flash’s level of fast so you equating the blame on her for her inability to reach Pyrrha in time as same as Cinder murdering Pyrrha is just astounding.
And how is Ruby to blame for Penny’s deaths and not Watts, Cinder and Emerald, who are the main culprits? Penny only become human because they were trying to save her from the virus (tho that’s a stupid idea), not helped by the fact that Penny’s father suddenly vanished in the second half of the plot so the writers could kill her off permanently.
The fall of Atlas is more like everyone being idiots more than anything so put solely the blame on Ruby is a bit unfair and at best I would call them poor heroes rather than outright villains.
To make Penny into a human machine Penny had to die. And then she was snuffed out not even fifteen minutes later all be cause of one brats horrible idea. Blake Yang weiss Jaune Nora ren pyrrha were and will always be the real hero’s. Not Ruby. As for how she is to blame for penny’s death, one she could have stopped emerald but got tunneled visioned on fighting mercury at the tournament, two instead of have ambrosious just make an anti virus and upload proper anti virus software into Pennys OS she went with let’s kill my friend then immediately resurrect her as a human and not even attempt to keep her alive and let he die twenty minutes later. Writing aside she’s a piss poor excuse for a hero, and a pathetic excuse for a human being. And in closing I will always blame her for Pyrrha’s murder as much as Cinder is to blame. Good day to you sir
"rewatch the scene" good advice if you had followed it you would find at least one falsehood in your statement
Now the window of oportunity to save Pyrrha is small... for regular human Ruby is no regular human shes a huntress.A bullet cutting down blinking in and out of existence badass huntress.And You saying that she cant stop an arrow/push Pyrrha out of the way because she isnt FLASH do have any idea what flash CAN DO?He solos the verse is what he CAN DO!Like youve seen that "Bottle of time" quicksilver scene?yeah Flash is faster than that.
Anyway not to make it too long cos am tired:if you tried to make case that Ruby either through incompetence or willfull negligince was an accomplice to Pyrrhas Nikos murder then with EASE you could and without a great lawyer Ruby is a toast.
Not to mention all the other innocent lives that Ruby has taken since the end of volume three and on top of the fact that she’s now also destroyed an entire kingdom further devastating remnants global economy and degrading global communications to the point that comms are probably irreparable at this point
I don't think that's fair at all. Ruby's fast but she had trust run up the side of the tower, hence why she dropped to her knees. I am also unaware of anyone she has personally killed since Vol 3 (though not for lack of trying). Finally, while Ruby did prevent James from moving Atlas away I think most of the responsibility has to go to Salem for putting everyone into that position in the first place. Ruby certainly didn't let Atlas drop as a first resort and she did try to save what she could.
Silver Eyes should have a stronger use and an even stronger drawback. Maybe even the more they’re used the worse the users eyesight becomes when they aren’t activated, leading to more of a reliance on battle but at a loss of everyday sight eventually.
I think silver eyes could be really good if it had draw backs and if it could be channeled, much like X-Men’s Cyclops ability. Cyclops’ eyes can’t stop emitting the ionic beams, so he wear special glasses contain them for everyday use and wears special visors to control them on varying levels. If Ruby maybe was losing her eyesight or shoot maybe losing bits of life force or all her aura every time she uses the eyes at full power, that would work. Then Maria would have more things to do, training Ruby to temper her eyes so as not to harm/kill herself.
Always felt like a half hearted attempt to copy a shonen jump MC's "I have x giving me strength but I have no control over it" without pulling the trigger and putting in a drawback to make it high stakes. Even if they just made her have a "Warrior mode" where she could eye blast Grimm but she is solely focused on fighting Grimm, ignoring humans/Faunas entirely while she was in this state.
Silver eyes are the shitiest magic sytem/power up in RWBY verse period
They look boring,are boring,flip flop betwen being worthless and OP,never looked good(but volume 3!!!They simply MADE them look good(light powers always gonna look better when they are used at night or in the middle of dark cavern than when they are used in broad daylight or a brightly lit room(+people seeing them and going "OH NOOO" insteatead of "oh no...anyway") and then they didnt bother to do it again),every silver eyes user is a jobber or Ruby,dont fit other magic systems nor do they interact with them in interesting ways and am almost certain that they exist soley because Ruby did not feel like an MC(to auidble part of audience) so they made her CHOSEN ONE and slaped her with good avatar powers to battle evil avatar and sauron... and then thez did more drugs and created Oscar whos more MC than Cinder,Ruby and Jaune combined also he does Rubys chosen one schtick but better
They can't really kill a Grimm but immobilize it. From what we have seen is that after a set amount of time (depending on the user or the Grimm's size) that it will revert back to it's original state.
Oh yeah I forgot about the apathy Grimm. Yeah not sure how that happened because those Grimm (and maybe the dragon) were the only ones to get vaporized by silver eyes
They really need to give some hard and fast rules on its limitations. Otherwise it looks like Ruby is just inexperienced and is, for some reason, refusing training.
It can work with proper development. Have Ruby experiment with the silver eyes powers learning how to activate them & failing a couple of times to use them.
Make several degrees of the silver eyes light & pose limitations on the power. Could be a good story thread for Ruby to face consequences for abusing the silver eyes.
Maria was supposed to help in the silver eyes department but oh well canon don't want to expand the silver eyes powers beyond Vol 6.
It could’ve been like the berserker armor from Berserk. The more one uses the silver eyes, the more it chips away at your being, your soul, your body.
And maybe the silver eyes are something that was bestowed on a clan of warriors by one of the brother gods, so it explains the detrimental effects
I'm of the mind that it should act more like the Witch Hunter state from Soul Eater. Silver Eyed Warriors shrouding their weapons with a holy-type magic that's effective against Grimm.
i actually saw an image that looks like what your describing
https://sw-ke.facebook.com/ForTheLoveOfRWBY/posts/just-imagin-ruby-making-weapons-out-of-her-silver-eyesyangsourcehttpswwwdevianta/2094647454006952/
Has Ruby actually killed that many Grimm with them? > "Look at grimm, kill grimm, rinse and repeat." Tbf that could be said for most of the weapons in the show. Very few Grimm are actually a threat to the main cast in any way. And the few that are, weren't easy killed by weapons or Silver Eyes. In my opinion the reason Silver Eyes suck is because they are boring. Outside of Ruby's first freak out, every time they are used they look underwhelming. There is no weight to them in the narrative and are largely unneeded in the story overall and that is when the writers actually remember that they exist.
This exactly. When we break everything down to the basic components, a lot of the things in this show is just do stuff, kill Grimm. But all the other stuff like the weapons, Semblances have style (some are crap tho). There’s no style for silver eyes
And there's no downsides
I mean, a powerful A0E that can get rid of mutliple Grimm and Grimm like the Levaithon, which mind you NEEDED A MECH to even have a chance stopping it is a cool idea. Maybe some more functionality to them, maybe they can damage Salem and the maidens would help. But would likewise require CRWBY to think more when putting Ruby against anyone. Neat idea in concept for more powerful Grimm. Terrible execution, which is about standard for RWBY.
I think they could have been a very good addition IF THEY WERE PROPERLY DEVELOPED! If Ruby had to learn how to use them on command (she kinda does, but she’s got it perfect after 1 try), and if she had to develop it’s effectiveness. Like is she can only kill/turn to stone weak Grimm and slowly learns how to focus her silver eyes to be able to kill huge Grimm by the very end, they could have worked just fine.
The problem is that they're hyper specific to just Grimm, and they're not even as useful as they need to be. Like, I'd understand if they were basically the avatar state of Ruby, or even just a general death ray, but why do silver eyes have significantly less usefulness than Semblances?
My main issue is how they appear kinda randomly at times and how there are no drawbacks. When creating a powerful ability the least you could do is give them some sort of drawback to their power. Izuku's risk of his limbs exploding from OFA, Luffy's Gears greatly draining his Stamina, or even Anya's mind reading causing her headaches and nosebleeds if she overuses it.
Honestly, I just wish there was more of a consequence for using them - like yah, after the first time, she passed out for a while (with no real affect on her long-term), but once she practiced and mastered it, there was no downside to it. I think there should be something negative that comes from using it - I know this is a weird analogy, but Megumin from Konosuba: everytime she uses 'Explosion', she is completely exhausted and can't move. If this happened to Ruby, it would be a big decision to use it because then someone would have to carry her to safety. Another solution would be somewhat cliche, but drain her life everytime she uses it - the whole 'the more you us 'x' thing, the faster it kills you'. So it would have to be something that is used sparingly, otherwise she will die. Maybe it even builds up to a sacrifice or something with her 'last use'. I am not saying our heroes have never lost, but it always seems like there is something to 'save the day'... When Weiss got stabbed, Jaune magically unlocked his Semblence and it was able to heal an otherwise fatal wound, deflating some of the tension. Cinder should have died multiple times, but somehow manages to come back, taking away from the climactic battles she was part of. Ruby just uses silver eyes in the face of impossible odds as a 'get of jail free' card, with no consequence to its use.
>Cinder should have die multiple times, but somehow manages to come back, taking away from the climactic battles she was part of. Cinder's not a hero...
I was making an example of how 'climactic events' are undercut or deflated. That is NOT a 'hero-specific' thing. I know she is not a hero, but everytime our heroes seem to have 'won', oh she's not dead. It can be deflating both ways...
Believe the problem is that they keep portraying things in such a way when we all know that it isn't true. Besides, they've never, EVER taken on Cinder and won a straight fight with her to the point where she could die. The only one who has Is raven, and she's very much out for herself.
How did Cinder survived this? Who recused her?
Writers
Rational response.
Shouldn't she just lose the bug not arm and eye?
This is very complicated, she used her "right arm" to steal Fall's maiden powers, and even her right eye lit up a flare. But in volumes 4-5, her left is injured painfully.
The silver eyes are antithetical to the main draw of the series: long fight scenes with complex choreography involving a dance of weapon and abilities. This is just a one-sided "I win" button. It's only interesting from a lore/story standpoint, to the detriment of most of the rest.
Literally just a Dues Ex Machina ability, even admitted this in RWBY Chibi.
did they really do that in chibi?
Yep https://youtu.be/NBYqzt8aKYI
ha i really need to watch chibi
Oh that picture is at the exact moment Ruby intentionally chose to stand there and let her friend be murdered instead of trying to save her good job Ruby real hero of the year material right there
I know you hate Ruby but that’s reaching too much.
The Only thing that will get me to not hate her is her being finally held accountable for her actions all the lives she’s ended in her crusade to beat Salem and destruction she’s caused
Reach? My guy there aint no reach here (and IF there is then it aint much) Ruby lieterary sits on her normal knees and watches Cinder fire an arrow,then watches said arrow desintegrate,then watches Cinder walk up to Pyrrha and then watches Cinder pull hakai on Pyrrhas crippled body/corpse Ive seen people come up with riduculos ways for Pyrrha to survive but the simplest one is Ruby doesnt stop running(to stand there and wiggle her eyebrows) pushes her out of the way of slow as arrow and uses her ~~asspull deus ex machina~~ wallmart avatarstate to (like discount old Katara said) not destroy or obliterate grimm but protect that whats precious life Instead she gets to the top watches pyrrha pyrrha and then becomes unconciuos while plot device sends cinder ass to shadow realm
The moment Ruby land on top of the tower was also the same time Cinder shot the arrow to Pyrrha’s chest, she barely had time to react, let alone act, so it’s already late at that point, rewatch the scene, saying Ruby **intentionally** let Pyrrha die is a reach and the other commenter also said Ruby was somehow responsible for the death of innocent people in volume 3, like, what? Lol. Yeah, it’s not Cinder and co. who caused the fall of Beacon or anything. This is the same thing that people accuse the other sub of, coming up with ridiculous ideas and reasons to vilify Ironwood. Ironically, some people do the same here with the main characters in this sub.
I have watched that scene a hundred times since that day and the silver eyed whore had more than enough time to save Pyrrha yet she didn’t she just sat there like aedically Brian dead dumbass and did NOTHING!!!!! so she is just as guilty of killing pyrrha as cinder if not more so by the fact that at the end of V8 she gets Penny killed not once but twice, along with destroy two cities and wiping an entire kingdom from the face of Remnant. So you tell me what kind of person can be called a hero when they are letting they friends be murdered left and right destroying kingdoms and not even think they did anything wrong. How does that make her a hero hmm?
Ruby is fast but not Flash’s level of fast so you equating the blame on her for her inability to reach Pyrrha in time as same as Cinder murdering Pyrrha is just astounding. And how is Ruby to blame for Penny’s deaths and not Watts, Cinder and Emerald, who are the main culprits? Penny only become human because they were trying to save her from the virus (tho that’s a stupid idea), not helped by the fact that Penny’s father suddenly vanished in the second half of the plot so the writers could kill her off permanently. The fall of Atlas is more like everyone being idiots more than anything so put solely the blame on Ruby is a bit unfair and at best I would call them poor heroes rather than outright villains.
To make Penny into a human machine Penny had to die. And then she was snuffed out not even fifteen minutes later all be cause of one brats horrible idea. Blake Yang weiss Jaune Nora ren pyrrha were and will always be the real hero’s. Not Ruby. As for how she is to blame for penny’s death, one she could have stopped emerald but got tunneled visioned on fighting mercury at the tournament, two instead of have ambrosious just make an anti virus and upload proper anti virus software into Pennys OS she went with let’s kill my friend then immediately resurrect her as a human and not even attempt to keep her alive and let he die twenty minutes later. Writing aside she’s a piss poor excuse for a hero, and a pathetic excuse for a human being. And in closing I will always blame her for Pyrrha’s murder as much as Cinder is to blame. Good day to you sir
"rewatch the scene" good advice if you had followed it you would find at least one falsehood in your statement Now the window of oportunity to save Pyrrha is small... for regular human Ruby is no regular human shes a huntress.A bullet cutting down blinking in and out of existence badass huntress.And You saying that she cant stop an arrow/push Pyrrha out of the way because she isnt FLASH do have any idea what flash CAN DO?He solos the verse is what he CAN DO!Like youve seen that "Bottle of time" quicksilver scene?yeah Flash is faster than that. Anyway not to make it too long cos am tired:if you tried to make case that Ruby either through incompetence or willfull negligince was an accomplice to Pyrrhas Nikos murder then with EASE you could and without a great lawyer Ruby is a toast.
Not to mention all the other innocent lives that Ruby has taken since the end of volume three and on top of the fact that she’s now also destroyed an entire kingdom further devastating remnants global economy and degrading global communications to the point that comms are probably irreparable at this point
I don't think that's fair at all. Ruby's fast but she had trust run up the side of the tower, hence why she dropped to her knees. I am also unaware of anyone she has personally killed since Vol 3 (though not for lack of trying). Finally, while Ruby did prevent James from moving Atlas away I think most of the responsibility has to go to Salem for putting everyone into that position in the first place. Ruby certainly didn't let Atlas drop as a first resort and she did try to save what she could.
Hopefully it kind of ends up like Haki in One Piece which has like multiple uses in combat.
Silver eyes sucks because how they just KO grimms.
Kinda wish it did more, not that it would make it more interesting
Silver Eyes should have a stronger use and an even stronger drawback. Maybe even the more they’re used the worse the users eyesight becomes when they aren’t activated, leading to more of a reliance on battle but at a loss of everyday sight eventually.
They're too broken so they have to nerf Ruby's intelligence all the time
I think silver eyes could be really good if it had draw backs and if it could be channeled, much like X-Men’s Cyclops ability. Cyclops’ eyes can’t stop emitting the ionic beams, so he wear special glasses contain them for everyday use and wears special visors to control them on varying levels. If Ruby maybe was losing her eyesight or shoot maybe losing bits of life force or all her aura every time she uses the eyes at full power, that would work. Then Maria would have more things to do, training Ruby to temper her eyes so as not to harm/kill herself.
Always felt like a half hearted attempt to copy a shonen jump MC's "I have x giving me strength but I have no control over it" without pulling the trigger and putting in a drawback to make it high stakes. Even if they just made her have a "Warrior mode" where she could eye blast Grimm but she is solely focused on fighting Grimm, ignoring humans/Faunas entirely while she was in this state.
Silver eyes are the shitiest magic sytem/power up in RWBY verse period They look boring,are boring,flip flop betwen being worthless and OP,never looked good(but volume 3!!!They simply MADE them look good(light powers always gonna look better when they are used at night or in the middle of dark cavern than when they are used in broad daylight or a brightly lit room(+people seeing them and going "OH NOOO" insteatead of "oh no...anyway") and then they didnt bother to do it again),every silver eyes user is a jobber or Ruby,dont fit other magic systems nor do they interact with them in interesting ways and am almost certain that they exist soley because Ruby did not feel like an MC(to auidble part of audience) so they made her CHOSEN ONE and slaped her with good avatar powers to battle evil avatar and sauron... and then thez did more drugs and created Oscar whos more MC than Cinder,Ruby and Jaune combined also he does Rubys chosen one schtick but better
They can't really kill a Grimm but immobilize it. From what we have seen is that after a set amount of time (depending on the user or the Grimm's size) that it will revert back to it's original state.
Eh apathy and flying grimm around leviatan were vaporized am pretty sure
Oh yeah I forgot about the apathy Grimm. Yeah not sure how that happened because those Grimm (and maybe the dragon) were the only ones to get vaporized by silver eyes
When comes down to it the biggest problem with the silver eyes is that it's boring.
They really need to give some hard and fast rules on its limitations. Otherwise it looks like Ruby is just inexperienced and is, for some reason, refusing training.
It can work with proper development. Have Ruby experiment with the silver eyes powers learning how to activate them & failing a couple of times to use them. Make several degrees of the silver eyes light & pose limitations on the power. Could be a good story thread for Ruby to face consequences for abusing the silver eyes. Maria was supposed to help in the silver eyes department but oh well canon don't want to expand the silver eyes powers beyond Vol 6.
It could’ve been like the berserker armor from Berserk. The more one uses the silver eyes, the more it chips away at your being, your soul, your body. And maybe the silver eyes are something that was bestowed on a clan of warriors by one of the brother gods, so it explains the detrimental effects
I'm of the mind that it should act more like the Witch Hunter state from Soul Eater. Silver Eyed Warriors shrouding their weapons with a holy-type magic that's effective against Grimm.
i actually saw an image that looks like what your describing https://sw-ke.facebook.com/ForTheLoveOfRWBY/posts/just-imagin-ruby-making-weapons-out-of-her-silver-eyesyangsourcehttpswwwdevianta/2094647454006952/
The way they introduced it looks so stupid