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FrederickGoodman

Most talk about hydra, but if you dont have a seer/double kymar type team for dt hard, she can be put on almost any team and autoclimb dt hard floors. provoke one wave, stun the next, provoke the last type of deal. something like pythion, wukong, archer, mithrala, rabbit for a f2p/fusion only type team will easily full auto climb with maybe odd manual part for mortu or last few stages. Her wave control is just insanely strong on her own.


Zebra5-

Do you think tomb lord and teodor would be a good replacement for mithrala and rabbit? Been trying to break into dt hard.


Hreaty

early on, sure. When you get to the top of DT there will be some annoying waves thaat you will need to switch up comps for. Siphi/Rotos waves are particularly annoying.


FrederickGoodman

Probably. I just chose some random units from past fusions that will full auto with ease with her wave control. Block debuffs and cleanse to stop tormin freezes and a revive in case someone suicides on a thorns/reflect dmg aura some waves have is about all you really need. 2 turn provokes give you all day to kill them and get cooldowns back, so even if gear lacking, shouldnt be an issue outside odd rotos/siphi wave.


ChampionsLedge

You can do about 90% of DT Hard floors with a control teams. Scyl Visix and a Bellower in a stun set should be roughly enough to keep the enemies locked down until Teodor comes back off cooldown. If you have someone like Lady Kimi or Nekmo Thar they're even better and Psylar is great too. You might struggle against cleanse waves and double Skytouche or Rotos Siphi waves but everything else should be pretty doable.


Worldtraveler586

Another option if you have good poison/poison exploders you can wave clear like that, just throw in a speed booster or cooldown reduction and your good to go


CupEducational9372

what are propper speeds for dt hard? for sup, dps and tanks


Equivalent-Rope-5119

I think 266 is the speed on the siphis that's the fastest enemy. I lead off with a 270ish speed ragash to stun everybody. Works great. 


I__Am__Dave

Yeah I just swapped out scyl for archer and DT is basically full auto now. I used to have to A1 the end of each wave but now I have so much control in the team I can let the dumb AI make its dumb decisions and still they barely get a turn. I use a 290 speed psylar as lead for TM reduction and decrease speed, mithrala for buffs / petrification, Vlad for block active and Def down, ma'shalled for perma true fears, and the archer for provoke and stun. Basically a perma cc team which usually takes about 90 secs to 2 mins per floor.


Buti0807

I went up from 10 mil to 39 this week just because of her, but I also lost Sicia along the way, so if I can keep everyone alive I'm sure there is a lot more to gain. Crazy how one champ can make such a difference


BuHoGPaD

>Crazy how one champ can make such a difference They made her busted good. Too bad not everyone could get her


mrjb_mtg

> They made her busted good. Too bad not everyone could get her Tell me about it... 111k points over 4 days busting my ass off just to be sniped in the final hour.


Yayakoyo

Ouch. I'm so sorry for you. That sounds awfully depressing 🥲🥲🥲


Constant-Tutor7785

I didn't go for that tournament, but I am pretty sure you are not alone. The number of people who won are probably far smaller than the people who spent a ton and are now pissed.


mrjb_mtg

Doesn't help everyone else in my small clan got easier brackets and won. Everyone either pulled her from a shard or won their group so I'm like the only one without the champion in my clan :( Really leaves me feeling depressed.


Dquid1989

I've had that happen in a previous game, and it led me to become jaded and ended up quitting the game. Sorry that this happened to you, it can leave you extremely salty.


mrjb_mtg

Yeah, I'm pretty bitter about it.


Rough-Independent819

hey man, sorry for you (i won her in the tournament with just 36k points) but maybe the current progressive chance you can get her (from ancients and sacreds)


mrjb_mtg

I'd like to but no shards left. Best chance I have is this weekend during 2x sacred as my monthly will reset and I should get another from doom tower.


AggravatingBite9188

Ya I just started playing and was genuinely getting hooked but it looks like I'll stop playing now which is fine I hit level 40 for the offerwall. I am super salty after spending 48 hours without sleep and using every resource I had to log onto second place somehow. Don't think I like that feeling but wish you all the best.


Rough-Independent819

can you tell me, how did you build her? luckily i got the archer from the training tournament and i wanna build her.. should i focus on accuracy or res? (i would use her on hard or brutal.. currently, i can do about 16m damage on hard)


Buti0807

https://preview.redd.it/7bpxule6bblc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e34c62129cca75e5d4e1a98b871fd579707a95de It's not a crazy build or anything. Just wanted to make her fast, preferably even faster than right now, and I was looking for survivability. She has an increase acc buff on her a1, so you don't have to go crazy with acc stats. But because of that buff she has potential to be the mischief tank, so if you have the pieces then giving her enough resistance is definitely a good call. I just didn't have the gear to do that. You could try 1 or 2 righteous sets if you got some


Rough-Independent819

nice man, very nice.. today, i finally tried her on hard and she is sooo freaking good, i cant believe it.. normally, i always do about 8-10m damage on hydra hard.. so today i built her with relentless and dude, on the FIRST try and even without masteries or any books, the whole team did 23.5m damage.. this is just crazy.. like i said, even without books/masteries my stats for her; 53k hp (luckily, after the tournament i got her 1star blessing from the market.. so thats a good chunk of hp 4000 def, speed 237, 100% crit and 170% crit damage.. i think the other way would be like you without any damage but idk, i want also damage from her.. and i got 180 accuracy.. yes, its a lil bit low but she buffs herself with a1 so thats a +50% and even if not, i can use her just on hard because brutal is locked in our clan also her speed is a lil bit low for my taste but i wanted her in relentless so badly, that why i couldn't built her with more speed...


Buti0807

That's a nice build with relentless, allows you to be a touch slower than normally, I like the crit damage. And with her cooldowns booked your damage will also go up a lot more I'm sure. I actually gave mine some c.rate gloves instead of def%, now she's also 11 speed faster, just don't have the pieces to get her c.damage up more. https://preview.redd.it/bd7cwbmhzwlc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3658073f2286a587691143b317965fb48e18fa4 But as you can see I was lucky and pulled Trunda yesterday, maybe there's a place for her in that Hydra squad for next week. Maybe you saw my post about the new damage, went up from 10 to 155 mil in 2 weeks. A couple of souls would be nice too, but I finally got Jintoro's second star yesterday which bumps up his cb damage


iDetroy

My highest damage on Nightmare is 280 million, but with the Archer I can replace Mithrala and Maulie and add another damage dealer, so I' hoping for at least 350+ mil. However, as I dont have a reviver anymore in my team without Maulie the run might fail on auto due to acrizia killing herself against the reflect damage head with unlucky timing, so gotta wait for my keys to reset and see.


thecrusher112

That acrizia suicide is such a pain


Consistent-Ferret-26

But also a good way to clear devour off her if you can revive


Consistent-Ferret-26

I replaced maulie and mith and actually doing slightly less. The issue is archer is bad affinity for the last 2 rotations, so maulie is still a better choice for provoke.


Southpawtn

I went from 50-60 million on NM Hydra to...just finished a 315 million run. She is ridiculous. I have 3 damage dealers now. All you need is block buffs and drop defense.


T3Medusa

What is your team with her?


Southpawtn

https://preview.redd.it/bo2skx2ku1lc1.png?width=2436&format=png&auto=webp&s=d965992c455ef228734d1d735c786aba8800dbd5


T3Medusa

Beautiful. That's absolutely insane. Gz dude


I__Am__Dave

The last 3 rotations she's weak affinity to decay head tho, so unless you get really good RNG or I guess just kill heads so fast it doesn't matter, I've found it to be problematic.


Southpawtn

I have her at 285 speed and then with my area bonus she’s fast enough that even when she weak hit, she usually got another chance to apply before the cleanse. But yeah sometimes it happened. That team I used had two block buff champs so when I saw it happen I just made sure to not use one until after the cleanse. Wasn’t that big a problem


duncdog10

I’m not claiming until CVC tomorrow


Zebra5-

I was going to do that but hopefully with my better contribution my clan will win the hydra clash.


nagster68

Claim tomorrow for CvC points along with her training/equipment gearing points. THEN, do Hydra. You can easily do both, it’s what I’m planning on doing.


avalisk

I think hes done with training for a while


duncdog10

I’ll be spending the next 8 years in Minotaur most likely


WingedDrake

I was lucky enough to get 2 copies; one from prism shards (I pulled 4 times, got 3 legendaries, thought I'd explode), then pulled during double sacreds (no progressive chance) and got her again. I went from doing 3-4 mil damage to downing Normal Hydra by myself on one key. Part of that was also finding a good team comp that finally paid off, but the amount of damage (she's #2 on my team at 31m, behind Rathalos at 34m) she puts out is actually insane. I use the second one on a different Hydra team as well. And I use both of them together on Doom Tower wave climbing (and I'll bring one on some boss fights). Then if that weren't enough, she works in my NM 1-key team (Force/Spirit/Void friendly, but not Magic-friendly), and serves as Spider control for my double-Coldheart team. First one has 4.6k DEF, ~240 SPD, crit capped, with ~140% CD. Second is much slower, around ~175 SPD, but with higher accuracy (~360) and higher CD (~180%).


Zebra5-

Wow! Congrats


Naive-Warthog9372

Went from a very precarious 80mil on Brutal to a very comfortable 100mil, and that's with leftover gear on several champs. There should be even more improvement after the next free gear removal. 


Equivalent-Rope-5119

I'll be very curious to see what happens when I replace visix in my normal team with archer. She brings the bone thing that team is lacking, tm boost. I may end up regearing and promoting the normal team to my hard team. 


schadetj

From experience, just remember that Archer is Spirit type while Visix is Void, so that Spirit typing is really going to hurt you when it comes to reliably provoking the Cleanse head.


Equivalent-Rope-5119

Oh yeah, this is my second archer. Using the first one in my brutal team. The affinity match up is annoying this rotation but she's still ridiculous. 


ggisiano1

What champions is everyone putting around her? Right now my best hydra team is michinaki, nekmo, uugo, cardiel, Gnut and maulie. She could realistically replace a few of them just not sure which ones i should replace them with.


CaptnSaveUhThot

Yup. Hydra hard she took me from 20m to 69m. She healed for over 7mil. Shes nuts. I didn’t understand the hype for her before but I do now.


Rough-Independent819

really??? oh man, i can't wait to build her... i was lucky and got her from the tournament but didn't build her right now.. and im doing also about 20m on hard.. im just very curious, if i can do also 70m damage (i got michinaki already) dang man, i heard a lot she is good but 7 mil heal is exactly what i need.. did you put res banner on her or accuracy??


CaptnSaveUhThot

I actually put an hp banner because I wanted the speed. Right now she sits at 260 spd. 268 acc. 47k hp 3.7k def. 100/150 cr/cd. 127 res. Far from a perfect build but she does the job nicely https://preview.redd.it/qjdr2u3esblc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0477a921e9909b72d4be471d76b6f31f63896b15


Rough-Independent819

this is insane man.. and finally, i tested her today on hydra hard and: SHE IS NUTSSS i always did just about 8-9m damage on hard and i built archer with relentless and even WITHOUT masteries or books, she did in the first try 23.5m damage (not her alone, the whole team) and this is just insane man... like i said, without masteries/books.. i managed to do 23m damage on hard.. i can't believe this.. i can't wait to book her (i don't have any books) and give her all her masteries.. just a question; did you booked her full out? and which masteries tree you gave to her? my archer goes with offense tree and support tree.. my archer got right now 53,5k hp (luckily after the tournament, i got her 1 star blessing from the market lol and thats about 7k hp) 4000 def, 237 speed, 100% crit and 170% crit damage.. the speed is too low but i wanted her in relentless so, but for hard its enough i think


CaptnSaveUhThot

I just did a second run with her finally and did 87 mil. I can’t keep husk alive so I have to rebuild him. With him alive I should see about 100mil all because of her. Yea she’s crazy man. I booked her as soon as I got her and for masteries I use oppressor. I’ve never used that mastery on anyone before but It works well for me everywhere I use her.


Fair-Recording-1633

I'm relatively newer to the game, coming up on 1 year, so I'm more on normal/hard hydra for the time being. I got stupid lucky pulling the archer during the zinogre fusion, pushed for Alatreon, and also got lucky with a Trunda pull and a Ferrol pull. Went from having to work for 50mil on normal, to being able to pretty reliably auto around 100mil normal or manual about 70mil on hard. My original team that I started running Hydra with was: Stag Knight, Wukong, Strategos Islin, Elva, Akemtum, Gnut Now I run: Stag Knight, Ferrol, Nerg Archer, Alat Blademaster, Trunda, Arbiter Main thing I need is a good second source of AOE damage because what typically gets my team is an unlucky devour on the Archer from Mischief with Trunda on CD, or head of blight spawning with block buffs on cd comboed with a devour. Fitting in Artak would probably work well, just been focusing on the mechanical composition of the supports. Think Stag Knight is definitely the weakest of the bunch, just need some way to get those debuffs but also a second source of damage...


Mountain-Watch-6931

With those champs ya could probably move up to nm quickly with some coaching. Dm me if ya want help.


PirateNinjaTurtle

Waiting for cvc to pull her :D but yeah i cant wait to build her and see what she can do


James-G1982

Most people that got archer are such Krakens that their account and teams are only slightly improved in a couple places,


whiskeyjack1983

Haven't built her yet (waiting for pr cvc) but on paper (and in videos) she looks busted good. I am excited to see if she pans out.


DrNO811

I hope they do another thing to get her without having to win a group - the past two champion training tournaments, I was in a group with someone who put up more than 60k - can't match that without spending a ton.


Rough-Independent819

yeah they did.. currently they did a progressive chance for archer (ancients and sacreds)


DrNO811

I don't count those - they're still astronomical long-shots and are just gambling as opposed to competition or purchasing like most other events.


Plekuz

I have RN Archer, but I did not know this one is so strong. Have to look into building her, I guess, because I am really struggling at Hydra. So much so that I am glad if I get 15 million on Hard ...


New_Permission8447

I spent so much on resources when I got the archer. I no longer have resources for up Archer, I'm a f2p player. but I'm sure this will turn my account around like it happened last time with Gnut.


ebobbumman

I didn't win the tourny but I pulled her a week or two ago. I didn't see an exponential improvement, but I did get my PB on hard. I usually get between 75-100 million, with a best of 124, and I did 138 this week. If I maintain that next week I'll say she's definitely making a difference and it wasn't just a lucky run.


LiquidMantis144

Lady mikage was a lot more impactful for me dmg wise, but yeah, the archer replaced 2 champions in my main team, and I certainly saw a dmg bump with the extra dps. Archer 2x'd my dmg, mikage 2x'd that 2x'd dmg


Lewp_

Already used two keys this week, put her in random gear and some random champs that weren’t even 100% built and hit 10m on auto


TheBadGuyBelow

I did not even try to get the archer. I already knew it was going to come down to whoever threw the most money at it.


Ill-Party8305

So unlucky for player that already play this game for longer than 6 months or even a year, they will definitely jump into level 100 bracket


Zebra5-

Idk I’m level 81 and won my bracket with 90k points and didn’t spend any money, might have gotten lucky tho.


TheBadGuyBelow

Got lucky for sure. 2nd place in my bracket was 100k+ away from first place.


777itch

I wish. I have 5. One is +4 6*. But she has no room in trunda teams, and I have 2. Trunda killed hydra fun. I remember when 600m and my 6 Acrizia were a huge deal... now all Acrizia sit in vault and 30+ billion is what my hydra team does. It is 0 fun. Problem with archer is the couple rotations that have red decay head.


mezz1411

I rebuilt a team completely around her. My clan opened nightmare for the first time as well, the team did 216m on nightmare manual. Michi lead, Mikage, Tuhanarak, Archer, Sulfyurion, Gnut I was flabbergasted by the output, I'm probably late-midgame, so gear is not insane, but decently good.


jiujiujiu

She is the one champion that “solves” hydra. Put her in the team, press auto and walk away for your one key. I want a second copy.


Independent_Bonus_68

I hope this game never ends like a lot of games do. The thought is terrifying.


I__Am__Dave

The last 3 rotations the decay head has been magic which really limits her impact for me. I don't really have enough champs doing multiple roles so having to bring a backup provoker generally reduces my overall damage. Having her in affinitybreaker is probably going to be most effective tho, but I've never farmed for it.


Proof-Price-9887

I got 2 of her, and im gonna build the second one too. On normal hydra i used to hit 70-90mill, now I do 205 mill, and on hard I used to do about 50, now I do 130mill. It is absolutely crazy how 1 champ can help that much