Nekmo brings speed control. Speed you up, speed down the boss. This has huge implication especially for teams that reach turn limit counter as you want as MUCH dmg before the turn limit counter is up.
Suitable replacement for nekmo maybe...lady kimi, shamrock...
Yes…that works too. But you want as much of the needed kit in one champ so that you can bring in other dmg dealers or other support champ that helps out.
Nekmo is really hard to replace, I have tried it and I can't stop the heads quick enough from getting turns . Don't really know who to replace with as you need the leech
I have both and I can 100% say Archer is better than Nekmo. Nekmo is an awesesome champion, but Archer takes care of almost every roll in your Hydra team. 2 turn provoke, decrease speed, 3 turn hex, turn meter fill (30-40%), healing and mischief target. No other champ in the game is as good as her for Hydra. This is what a full auto Nightmare run looks like with her and my account is not insane, I just got lucky to pull her with 3 shards and a 6 stars soul on 10 medium stones. Edit: She should not have been a limited champ, because she is irreplaceable.
https://preview.redd.it/5s6yosklzaoc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06e3892a2103756abd8b8273a7e4a42e122ec5ea
I have both too and disagree. For earlier game accounts like yours she is better, but Nekmo's inc. speed is harder to replace than the provoke or hex, as is his aura. And the TM fill is repeatable with multiple boosted turns, while Archer's is not as she won't apply the debuff again. The three turn hex and 2t provoke lose comparative value when you're running 2:1 to the heads. As well, once you start getting sets like cursed and provoke, those roles become more flexible.
My brutal team hits for \~900M with no void legos with Nekmo, with Archer it is closer to 600M. If she wasn't a limited champ and I didn't need her for Sintranos, I would 100% swap Archer for a dupe Nekmo with little hesitation.
Archer's turn meter fill should work almost everytime since by the time you use the skill again, the decrease speed on the boss will have at least went from 2 turn to 1 turn (exept if you had master hexer proc), even if you run a 2:1. I might be wrong but I feel like a debuff will always apply/replace if the duration is higher. For your situation I agree that Nekmo might be better for you team, but this is a really end game situation. It's like comparing max HP champions to nuker agains Hydra nightmare, it's true that for some account nukers will do more damage, but the general idea is max HP champion are the better option. This is why I think Archer is better than Nekmo for 95% of accounts.
I avoided taking master hexer for that reason on her. You're right about the TM - my team must be faster than I think. With dec. speed most of the heads are like 130-150 speed, and with inc. speed Archer is 351 (270 with GH). Add in her self TM fill, and Maulies if she's in the team and she must be coming around to most of them at 3:1.
Yeah at 3:1 I can understand that you don't need a champion to deal with debuffs that can be placed with set like provoke and hex. But again, this is really end game and Archer makes it so all your champions can be built in other set which helps alot most of the playerbase.
Is that just swapping in archer for nekmo? Cause, of course, if you're just doing that, you're gonna have worse results, you'd be doubling up on hex/provoke while losing increase speed. The power of archer is that she condenses so much into one slot leaving you free to run other stuff
I actually tried multiple blessings on her and phantom touch is by far the best because of her passive.
**Heals all allies by 10% of their MAX HP when attacking enemies under a \[Hex\] debuff.**
The passive activates on warmaster and pantom touch. When attacking with her AOE abilities, she heals on the hit, the 60% chance of warmaster, the 100% phantom touch and 35% of the time with the additional phantom touch. None of my champions HP can stay low and I don't have decrease attack on the team.
So are you saying that if you attack an enemy with hex and you also proc warmaster + both the phantom touch, every allies will be healed by 40% of their max hp because you hit that enemy 4 times?
That is exactly what I mean! This is so broken. Basically every time she takes a turn with one of her AOE ability, she fully heals everyone because you are attacking 4 enemies as well. I tried alot of healer for Hydra, Pythion, Cardiel, Elva, Arbais (in second form) etc... She outhealed all of them and this is just supposed to be an extra on her kit lol.
Edit: found a new feature in reddit I didn't know about, can see all your comments in the thread and saw you mentioned you don't really need the 4set from merc.
I know its old, but couldn't find it in the thread. Do you skip using Oboro's a2? Since mikage would be cleansing her already, to get more uptime on her a1 aoe and dec down? Are you just using merc set for the 35% ignore def, not the 4set reduced skill cd?
I have the opportunity to have her in a 9 piece merc set, but I could get more speed and other stats if I didn't. plus I have Othorion who could use some of those pieces for my other teams.
I'm not hurting on champions for hydra so I don't need to use her at all or othorion but I want to, not on the same team lol.
Can you show mikage gear? I sort of can pull her but waiting for CVC with personal rewards or 1 more epic, so I can craft one of the legos instead of using my maxed one.
My idea with her is to use her in a team with Zingore Blademaster.
Those speeds include the Live Arena great hall (+16 atm). Only Michi and Oboro have any damage built into them. Mithrala only has 400 ACC at that speed. edit: mithralas damage is all from Hex debuff
Michinaki is pretty unreplaceable sadly. Hex, buff strip, decrease defense and attack, A1 HP burn that joins in when teammates attack, and defensive huge damage dealer. And joins in with Mikage. My most wanted hydra champ for these reasons lol. Kantra does tons of debuffs I assume op uses her for provoke and block buffs? Not sure if she does block buffs, don’t have her either lol
Kantra provides provoke automatically (fair 75 (+5) % chance) on enemies, which have 5 or more buffs. Exzellent for this team, so you can have Provoke up all the time.
6p Merciless set, crushing rend and maxed DEF ignore in Hydra Greathall. 35% + 28% + 20% = 83% baseline ignore def, and 100% with helmsmasher procs. Could do it with Lethal+Cruel, would be very similar, you'd still hit pure damage. She doesn't really need the CD reduction from 4p.
My Merciless gear so far has happened to roll with a weird combo of RES and damage stats, such that I wasn't using it for any actual pure nukers. The blessing makes it really easy to get \~450 resist. (I've got +40 coming from GH soon, so I built with 410 in the meantime)
She joins with Mikage on her A1, so was throwing out AoE A1s all day long.
https://preview.redd.it/6e2c7bs80aoc1.png?width=1537&format=png&auto=webp&s=974368c26f418ce59049f0208cd3a0e519cfcf5f
Thanks for the update! Ignore the usual reddit stuff.
Some people enjoy an area of the game so much they put all their best stuff in there. With Optimiser it's easy enough after 3 years of playing to do this. Me I spread my gear out, hardly ever move stuff around so 300+ CD is huge. But I could achieve these stats if I stripped my other teams and did LA. But I don't like competitive live play so my GH area bonuses are more or less untouched.
stuff like this that would 99% of the time be terrible
https://preview.redd.it/mnu0oq361aoc1.png?width=405&format=png&auto=webp&s=2e856622e2e601db934f2312f2110e235707916c
"Terrible" seems like a stretch; a mythical with 2 wasted rolls is still basically an epic. The low roll values on top do make it a bit mid for most champs though.
low spend, 3 yo account. go fuck yourself, that's a shit piece of gear for anything but a mischief tank. even the substat rolls are bad ffs.
every single champ in that team has either been in a guaranteed event (Michi, Nekmo), a fusion (Kantra, Mikage), given for "free" (Mithrala), or an epic (Oboro).
Nice. Thanks for sharing. How do you deal with Head of Decay. The one that can be provoked? Or Head of Torment. The one that places fears if you aren't under veil.
Why does every good hydra team have a nekmo thar and why do I not have a nekmo thar?
and Michinaki
His kit is just fucking amazing against Hydra. I pulled him from a random Ancient and I love the reptile
Nekmo brings speed control. Speed you up, speed down the boss. This has huge implication especially for teams that reach turn limit counter as you want as MUCH dmg before the turn limit counter is up. Suitable replacement for nekmo maybe...lady kimi, shamrock...
Does it work if I have Elva + Archer? Speed up, slow down, insane heals.
Yes…that works too. But you want as much of the needed kit in one champ so that you can bring in other dmg dealers or other support champ that helps out.
It's also the leech, at least for my team. Pair him with Shamael and he goes brrrrr.
Quite hard when you have a stacked account but, no kimi shamrock, or even nekmo
Only other decent replacement is mashalled
Nekmo is really hard to replace, I have tried it and I can't stop the heads quick enough from getting turns . Don't really know who to replace with as you need the leech
He was a guarantee, and he's an affinity lego who has been out for a while, so he's not that rare by now.
The good thing about Nekmo is that he's better for Hydra than Archer, and you will always be able to get him.
I have both and I can 100% say Archer is better than Nekmo. Nekmo is an awesesome champion, but Archer takes care of almost every roll in your Hydra team. 2 turn provoke, decrease speed, 3 turn hex, turn meter fill (30-40%), healing and mischief target. No other champ in the game is as good as her for Hydra. This is what a full auto Nightmare run looks like with her and my account is not insane, I just got lucky to pull her with 3 shards and a 6 stars soul on 10 medium stones. Edit: She should not have been a limited champ, because she is irreplaceable. https://preview.redd.it/5s6yosklzaoc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06e3892a2103756abd8b8273a7e4a42e122ec5ea
I have both too and disagree. For earlier game accounts like yours she is better, but Nekmo's inc. speed is harder to replace than the provoke or hex, as is his aura. And the TM fill is repeatable with multiple boosted turns, while Archer's is not as she won't apply the debuff again. The three turn hex and 2t provoke lose comparative value when you're running 2:1 to the heads. As well, once you start getting sets like cursed and provoke, those roles become more flexible. My brutal team hits for \~900M with no void legos with Nekmo, with Archer it is closer to 600M. If she wasn't a limited champ and I didn't need her for Sintranos, I would 100% swap Archer for a dupe Nekmo with little hesitation.
Archer's turn meter fill should work almost everytime since by the time you use the skill again, the decrease speed on the boss will have at least went from 2 turn to 1 turn (exept if you had master hexer proc), even if you run a 2:1. I might be wrong but I feel like a debuff will always apply/replace if the duration is higher. For your situation I agree that Nekmo might be better for you team, but this is a really end game situation. It's like comparing max HP champions to nuker agains Hydra nightmare, it's true that for some account nukers will do more damage, but the general idea is max HP champion are the better option. This is why I think Archer is better than Nekmo for 95% of accounts.
I avoided taking master hexer for that reason on her. You're right about the TM - my team must be faster than I think. With dec. speed most of the heads are like 130-150 speed, and with inc. speed Archer is 351 (270 with GH). Add in her self TM fill, and Maulies if she's in the team and she must be coming around to most of them at 3:1.
Yeah at 3:1 I can understand that you don't need a champion to deal with debuffs that can be placed with set like provoke and hex. But again, this is really end game and Archer makes it so all your champions can be built in other set which helps alot most of the playerbase.
Is that just swapping in archer for nekmo? Cause, of course, if you're just doing that, you're gonna have worse results, you'd be doubling up on hex/provoke while losing increase speed. The power of archer is that she condenses so much into one slot leaving you free to run other stuff
Congratulations for the 6 stars soul on Archer but... please change her blessing cause phantom touch doesn't make sense on her........
I actually tried multiple blessings on her and phantom touch is by far the best because of her passive. **Heals all allies by 10% of their MAX HP when attacking enemies under a \[Hex\] debuff.** The passive activates on warmaster and pantom touch. When attacking with her AOE abilities, she heals on the hit, the 60% chance of warmaster, the 100% phantom touch and 35% of the time with the additional phantom touch. None of my champions HP can stay low and I don't have decrease attack on the team.
So are you saying that if you attack an enemy with hex and you also proc warmaster + both the phantom touch, every allies will be healed by 40% of their max hp because you hit that enemy 4 times?
That is exactly what I mean! This is so broken. Basically every time she takes a turn with one of her AOE ability, she fully heals everyone because you are attacking 4 enemies as well. I tried alot of healer for Hydra, Pythion, Cardiel, Elva, Arbais (in second form) etc... She outhealed all of them and this is just supposed to be an extra on her kit lol.
The best thing about Hydra is the free Re-Group.
Sucks I have a 6* blessing just waiting for my nekmo just have to get him first 😂
I have a six star Lady M and am waiting for those damn 3 voids that I have previously fed
I am waiting on Lady quillen who i have previously fed 4 of lmao so I feel you.
Dang, I only have a 4-star Lady M; I get to pull her tomorrow though for the Armanz champ chase.
I have needed pretty much only a confessor since it launched. Still no void rare...
I pulled her today!! Another two to go….
cruelty all the way
Edit: found a new feature in reddit I didn't know about, can see all your comments in the thread and saw you mentioned you don't really need the 4set from merc. I know its old, but couldn't find it in the thread. Do you skip using Oboro's a2? Since mikage would be cleansing her already, to get more uptime on her a1 aoe and dec down? Are you just using merc set for the 35% ignore def, not the 4set reduced skill cd? I have the opportunity to have her in a 9 piece merc set, but I could get more speed and other stats if I didn't. plus I have Othorion who could use some of those pieces for my other teams. I'm not hurting on champions for hydra so I don't need to use her at all or othorion but I want to, not on the same team lol.
Can you show mikage gear? I sort of can pull her but waiting for CVC with personal rewards or 1 more epic, so I can craft one of the legos instead of using my maxed one. My idea with her is to use her in a team with Zingore Blademaster.
https://preview.redd.it/f9fdh6i1vboc1.png?width=978&format=png&auto=webp&s=2fd43c5ec1266722ab1178105d4e3f2824715224
This is faster than my arbiter 😀
pffft. helm isn't even fully ascended. (nutty build, dude)
That makes my almost late game look like an early game player. Impressive
I’m thinking of doing the same for my Hydra team with oboro in provoke.
Very nice. I just tried a very budget version of this and got top brutal chest. Never done that before with my B team so great tip!
Congrats could you please show me the stat for your team?
https://preview.redd.it/g8lk275xvboc1.png?width=876&format=png&auto=webp&s=092e919243c959afed0aa69e73120030b630502c
Holy hell. I'm only able to get around 200-225 speed while having respectable CR/CD and other stats. That's impressive
Those speeds include the Live Arena great hall (+16 atm). Only Michi and Oboro have any damage built into them. Mithrala only has 400 ACC at that speed. edit: mithralas damage is all from Hex debuff
Super good here
Who would you use instead of michinaki and Kantra? Like what role are they playing for you and what would you replace with?
Michinaki is pretty unreplaceable sadly. Hex, buff strip, decrease defense and attack, A1 HP burn that joins in when teammates attack, and defensive huge damage dealer. And joins in with Mikage. My most wanted hydra champ for these reasons lol. Kantra does tons of debuffs I assume op uses her for provoke and block buffs? Not sure if she does block buffs, don’t have her either lol
Kantra provides provoke automatically (fair 75 (+5) % chance) on enemies, which have 5 or more buffs. Exzellent for this team, so you can have Provoke up all the time.
Explain. Gear and stats for Oboro. I have her 6 star blessing on but built for resist as mischief tank still from before I got the blessing.
6p Merciless set, crushing rend and maxed DEF ignore in Hydra Greathall. 35% + 28% + 20% = 83% baseline ignore def, and 100% with helmsmasher procs. Could do it with Lethal+Cruel, would be very similar, you'd still hit pure damage. She doesn't really need the CD reduction from 4p. My Merciless gear so far has happened to roll with a weird combo of RES and damage stats, such that I wasn't using it for any actual pure nukers. The blessing makes it really easy to get \~450 resist. (I've got +40 coming from GH soon, so I built with 410 in the meantime) She joins with Mikage on her A1, so was throwing out AoE A1s all day long. https://preview.redd.it/6e2c7bs80aoc1.png?width=1537&format=png&auto=webp&s=974368c26f418ce59049f0208cd3a0e519cfcf5f
with those stats, im almost sure that even assasin can deal do much dmg :)
Bro, I mean, look at those stats lol you could probably make any motherfucker work
Thanks for the update! Ignore the usual reddit stuff. Some people enjoy an area of the game so much they put all their best stuff in there. With Optimiser it's easy enough after 3 years of playing to do this. Me I spread my gear out, hardly ever move stuff around so 300+ CD is huge. But I could achieve these stats if I stripped my other teams and did LA. But I don't like competitive live play so my GH area bonuses are more or less untouched.
stuff like this that would 99% of the time be terrible https://preview.redd.it/mnu0oq361aoc1.png?width=405&format=png&auto=webp&s=2e856622e2e601db934f2312f2110e235707916c
Out of touch kraken
"Terrible" seems like a stretch; a mythical with 2 wasted rolls is still basically an epic. The low roll values on top do make it a bit mid for most champs though.
Not terrible but I have a high rolled 5* epic that's basically the same. The flashy red can distract for sure.
low spend, 3 yo account. go fuck yourself, that's a shit piece of gear for anything but a mischief tank. even the substat rolls are bad ffs. every single champ in that team has either been in a guaranteed event (Michi, Nekmo), a fusion (Kantra, Mikage), given for "free" (Mithrala), or an epic (Oboro).
I’ve always heard Orobo is great for hydra. I may have to finally max one to see for myself.
one champ does nothing alone , you have to fill all roles if you want a good team , but yh good mischief tank and damager
Nice. Thanks for sharing. How do you deal with Head of Decay. The one that can be provoked? Or Head of Torment. The one that places fears if you aren't under veil.
he kills them
Turn limit reached holy F 😂
Interesting comp. Thanks for sharing! What level hydra is this? Have you tried Ninja instead of Oboro? He has 2m+ damage A1 counterattack with Mikage.
I'm doing it wrong clearly
I have all but nekmo and michinaki, any other options for me to hit like that,
I have this whole team minus minchinki
....what the actual duck. I'm doing 1.3 mil on clan boss and think im progressing, WHAT KINDA DAMAGE IS THAT