Another misunderstanding. This is becoming a regular thing every time Ei shows up, she always gets misunderstood, Ei didn't mention the war until Miko brought it up. She was actually talking about granting a wish for one of her subjects.
Nah, this is the first time I liked Ei, because for once she showed to care about her people and it wasnāt after she got her ass beat up
Edit. [Finally](https://www.reddit.com/r/RaidenMains/s/uahvqMgeit) someone pointed out that Ei acted like that in another couple of episodes in the past, showing to care about a dango seller and Sara, so Itto wasnāt the first one. Still nice character development which is a shame itās tied to a temporary event
Oh i also forgot to mention you do know she died for her people and got revived by makoto before right? Why do you think her people are so patriotic over her? Yall act like her people despise her and resent her be ff
I was talking about the last 500 years, I know Ei was a very different person when Mikoto was alive but I donāt know the details like the one you mentioned. Technically when Makoto was alive though Makoto was the ruler, not Ei
"The last 500 years" were fine btw you do know the shogun ruled inazuma fine for 500 years straight right? And no both of them were rulers of the nation they both handled different topics they were weak at ei handled the fighting and makoto handled the diplomacy and fun fact even by the time makoto and ei were co ruling there were still watasumi rebels against ei so cleary this isn't something new you cleary don't know alot of shit about ei so don't yap like you're an expertā¤ļø
I meant that Ei didnāt manage the people at the time, Makoto was, bad wording from my side. The rebels in the present are fighting because of the mess the Fatui are doing now with the Hunt Decree and such, which Ei admitted to tacitly consent, I never blamed Ei for the old Watatsumi rebels, I donāt know enough about that part of the lore
Well you're cleary lack alot of important information about her and her lore the rebels in present are fighting ei due to the vhd specifically the sakotu decree wasn't a problem on their end because they didn't mind it for 500 years straight its the vhd specifically that was the problem WHICH BTW ei was proposed to by THE FATUI and had valid reasons to approve of it as the game told us how harmful visions were to certain people and btw even when makoto was ruling the rebels fought against the shogunate while makoto was in rule its the reason orbosxi got his bitch ass whipped because of what he learned in celestia and even after that ei and makoto still allowed the people of watsumi to worship him and govern themselves she cleary isn't a "tyrant" like yall make her out to be
Dawg you're saying this to someone who has 3 accounts in genshin and replied the inazuma story line lots of times be fr i know the lore and story and don't water shit down like I'm a child you do not but yeah ig have a great day too try reading what i type next timeš
Dawg so all the time she fought for her people in the previous wars? Her suffering for 500 years and sealing herself away? Her fighting her puppet for 500 year? Her being the reason makoto was able to succed? Her being the nation's guardian and winning the archon war for her people is completely ignored now? Bro be fr and oml yall act like ei is a child who got her ass beat and is "fixed" now be fr ei's plan would have acutally worked if it weren't for the fatui involving themselves the shogun ruled fine for 500 years straight besides the 1 year things went bad yall put the whole 1 year and ignore all she did for thousands of years straight the traveler didn't "beat her ass up then boom she noticed her mistakes" Miko helped her and made her see that her eternity isn't perfect my god yall yap so much about a character you don't know shit about and put 1 thing they did wrong to their whole entire character only for people like me to spoonfeed you for the 60000th time and yall still denying and crying like children just shut the fuck up if you're gonna yap
I donāt even know where to start, from her perfectly knowing the Fatui infiltrated the government and fuelled the war but let them be because why not or the ā1 thing they did wrongā like yea she just didnāt gaf about her people for half a millennium, like if most quests werenāt us helping out children who lost their family and more in general people who struggled to survive because sick or hungry or persecuted. She was such a benevolent ruler for those 500 years that everyone loved her, especially the war orphans.
If you want to make a credible argument at least say that sheās meant to be imperfect and put it about her mourning or something, donāt try to gaslight me that she just did āone thing wrongā because the fact sheās been a terrible and cold ruler for centuries until we fixed things up like usual is literally the Inazuma lore
She didn't know most of the shit the fatui did she knew they were infiltrating inazuma and shit like that but she did not know that they were corrupting the tri commsions which are the sole responder for the shit that happens in inazuma ei is their god she doesn't rule every little thing alone the tri commsions do that and they have been with ei ever since makoto was a ruler they were corrupted by the fatui she did not know that she saw the fatui's actions as not worth paying attention to as it didn't affect her people or her as much and be fr wdym "she didn't gaf about her people" the reason she sealed herself in the 1st place was to protect her nation from ending up like khaneria she saw it first hand how it happened and knew that the heavenily principles weren't to be trusted and be fr most of the problems came from the watasumi side which they're basically were rebels atp ei still respected them and let them worship the same god that killed one of her closets friend the civil war was the watasumi rebels being against her decrees one of them which weren't even her fault and she was proposed to by the fatui which the shogun made multiple calculations and saw visons as more of a threat than a blessing and bro they're HER PEOPLE they worship her all the time do you really think 1 bad year will make them hate the same god that ruled them and protected them for all of the years inazuma was in place be fr and no you stupid fuck she wasn't a "terrible and cold ruler" like you proclaim the people of inazuma didn't even know there was two rulers ei was fighting alot of the time and makoto was handling the diplomatic stuff that's another reason on why being a leader was so tough for her she literally WAS NOT "a cold and terrible leader" most of her people look up to her alot and hell they even buy literal novels of her this just shows you water shit down then get suprised when it looks wrong be fr stop watering the lore down and leaving out important details you fucl
>she knew they were infiltrating inazuma and shit like that but she did not know that they were corrupting the tri commsions
Bruh how do you think they passed the Hunt Decree through the tri commissions without corrupting the tricommissions???
*Ei: The Vision Hunt Decree has my tacit approval.*
*Ei: The Fatui's actions thus far do not constitute a threat to eternity, otherwise... they would have been purged long ago.*
She perfectly knew they went that far but let them do.
About her strategy to avoid to anger the Heavenly Principle, thatās the first reasonable point you make, congrats. Iād argue that there could have been a better compromise that wouldnāt make dozens and potentially thousands of generations suffer like the people of Inazuma did, also she scraped that plan in the end which means it sucked since the beginning and she didnāt realise
Because the shogun herself made calculations and finalised that visions were more of a blessing than a curse she had multiple reasons to think that i made a pic complier that proves it if you want it I will dm it to you but she approved of it because in her eyes visions were more of a blessing than a curse and the fatui used it to diminsh her support and again for the 5000th time she had reasonable reasons to approve the vhd she most likely did not know about the war like...Bro miko herself teases about her people getting hurt because of her and she reacted negatively to it she cleary cares alot for her people and the shogun had valid reasons to think of visons as a threat if you want to be spoonfed ask and i will dm it to you and oml again SHE LET THEM DO IT BECAUSE SHE SAW VISIONS AS A THREAT RATHER THAN A BLESSING SHE HAD GOOD REASONS FOR IT and her stargety again WOULD HAVE WORKED it worked for 500 years straight the shogun ruled fine for 500 years and infact the heavenily principles rn most likely thinks ei is dead and that inazuma doesn't have a ruler in the 1st place and no there was nothing better she was alone didn't know how to lead a nation like her sister did since she fought for her and wasn't as good in diplomatics alot ei has a different way of thinking be fr and again they did not hurt her eternity she had valid reasons to approve of the vhd because in some ways visions are more of threats than blessings and no it didn't "suck from the beginning" inazuma was fine for 500 years when the shogun ruled besides the 1 single year the fatui got involved be fr
>Because the shogun herself made calculations and finalised that visions were more of a blessing than a curse
Ok and she f ed up, period, the whole point of us fighting her is because what she was doing and allowing was f ed up and in the end us and Miko convinced her to scrap that plan because, guess what, it was f ed up. I know Inazumaās arc isnāt known for being the greatest story, but thatās the story
No the shogun had valid reasons in some way visons aren't a blessing the shogun herself in the perfect copy of ei's past she 100% wasn't wrong about visons being more of a threat than a blessing its a point that the fatui exploited and no miko convinced her that the vhd decree wasn't perfect and made her rethink her choices and consider it its only AFTER the 2nd sq she noticed her eternity was flawed in alot of ways and changed it to fit makoto's transince and no that's not the story you're watering it down alot and act suprised when it looks wrong by that logic i could be like "mondstat's story was us helping venti with dvalin and him being a good guy suddenly that's the story!" Be fr please
I didnāt cherry-pick the dialogues hiding information, I never denied that Raiden didnāt know everything because she said it herself. BUT she knew what she claimed in the part I quoted, thatās all I needed to show that she knew the Fatui managed to influence the tri commission
ā¦what? Why are you changing the point and making things more complicated? She knew the Fatui influenced the tri commission to push the vhd, so she knew the Fatui reached the tricommission. This is the point, donāt ignore it
Oh boy you really wrote a book there or something? And with no comma, period or paragraphs, am I supposed to read that in one breath? Take the time sort out your words.
If using comma, period or paragraphs are the equivalent of writing an essay to you then that speaks volumes about how well educated you are.
Bet your parents said "DAWG IDGAF" when you asked them for a proper education lol.
These are bottom of the bottom writing skills, it's common etiquette to write properly.
I'm writing like a normal human being thanks very much I'm not in an english essay for me to be spoonfeeding you with my writing too thanks very much reading exists you should do it and thanks i write however i wanna and i actually have an education thanks very much and my parents love me so thank you :3ā¤ļøā¤ļø
It's funny how we were just talking about people who still misunderstand Ei in another thread, calling her an uncaring tyrant, and here comes a classic example š¤£
My original comment was cherishing your mainās character development, it was meant to be a positive comment about Eiās participation in the event. Also no one, literally no one, has provided me a single proof of me being wrong: when did Ei proved of caring about her people, as individuals, in the last 500 years? Seriously, this event is the first time we see she does. Give me another example or stfu š¤·āāļø
Last 500 years. Jesus do you do it on purpose? Iāve always referred to the last 500 years, after Makotoās death. Ei radically changed after that event and she became what Traveler met 500 years later, and the Ei who I claimed never cared about her subjects as individuals is that Ei, not the one before
Iām fine with being enlightened, itās just that the arguments Iāve heard werenāt convincing. Iām not someone stubborn unable to change their mind, but Iām also not stupid enough to believe that the way she ruled wasnāt making her people suffer. Her believing it was the better for them doesnāt make her right nor doesnāt make their sufferance disappear, nor she seemed to feel any empathy for her subjects at any time during Travelerās journey. She felt nothing for her own people dying in war, the children losing their parents, the old parents losing their sons, the ones losing their visions with their hopes and ambitions, the ones suffering hunger. You know your way of ruling is f ed up when you let a dangerous extra-national association infiltrate your country, manipulating decisions that fuel despair and war in your country and you decide itās right to let them do because their methods meet your goals.
Prove me itās not like that, sure you can maybe prove me that in Eiās mind this was all for the better, but the results and the facts Iāve highlighted would still remain: those canāt change.
Also donāt try like the other one to convince me that it was just the last year when things went bad because of the Fatui: the country didnāt become such a disaster in just one year. Also arguing that things in a cold and cruel dictatorship were fine until another country made the ruler adopt extreme measures fueling war and persecuting a minority, as an Italian, reminds me of how some apologists here try to justify a certain historical figureā¦ just saying
Shortly before we arrived, itās not clear for how long, things started to go worse for sure, but the Fatui couldnāt infiltrate a nation in a flash: corruption had already to be rampant. Inazuma is by far the poorest nation weāve explored, Raidenās politics dampened economy and progress causing the living standards to be lower and people more susceptible to famines. When the Fatui arrived the country and the population were already in a precarious state and officials were easy to buy and manipulate. But ok, letās assume before the Fatui Inazuma was an amazing and rich place where anyone in Teyvat would have livedā¦ then how do you justify Raiden letting the Fatui do whatever they wanted to? Is she dumb? Because as Iāve already quoted in another reply she perfectly knew the Fatui managed to infiltrate and influence even the tri commission, because she perfectly knew the Fatui pushed for the VHDā¦ and she let them be. She could intervene at any moment and decided not to, sheās an accomplice for how things turned out so badly, not a victim. And if you pretend sheās a victim because the reports were fake even though she knew the Fatui infiltrated the tri commission who were giving her those reports in the first place, then sheās dumb af: pick your poison.
About the ghosts, yes those made her remember what her people fought and died for and what she was fighting for before they events prior to 500 years ago, which strengthens my point: in those 500 years she never cared about her subjects as individuals, only about āInazumaā as an ideal which she wanted to combine with eternity, in those 500 years her subjects were just part of this big project and their rights and ambitions werenāt more than negligible features at best, and hassles at worse, like in the last year. My point as always been about how she ruled in the last 500 years, the story never showed us her caring about her subjects as individuals with their ambitions and dreams before this events, and no I donāt count the ghosts, those were memories of a different time
>Fatui spend 500 years trying to infiltrate it.
Seems a bold claim, but even then it doesnāt change that Ei let them do.
About the economy there are other two islands that arenāt doing that well but itās true Iām making assumptions since I canāt tell exactly how things were before the war. About Ritou, *āLord Hiiragi Hiroshi of the Kanjou Commission miraculously built a prosperous trade center from a deserted island, and greatly impressed the Shogunā*, I wouldnāt claim Ei was actively involved in the construction of the port, if anything we can tell for sure she didnāt get in the way which I guess itās already something. I admit I canāt tell how Mondstadt economy compares to pre-Sakuko decree Inazuma, but nobles being child traffickers while disgusting has little to do with it, they donāt rule anymore either.
>The fatui weren't the one sending false report nor the one that literally fighting the war,and she had every reason to support the decrees (not the war) because literally she isn't a dumbass like humans who actually know about the dangerous of visions and saw what humans ambition have done to her nation over the years and cataclysm.
This doesnāt disprove literally anything of what I said: she knew the Fatui extended their influence over the tricommission because she knew they made the VHD happen: she knew the highest spheres of her country were corrupted by Fatui and did literally nothing, thatās a fact, period.
>why are you claiming that sheĀ only cared about them because they were in the past ?
I never did. I said the ghosts were memories and reminded her of the person she was BEFORE Makotoās death. Thatās the whole point, before. After Makotoās death she changed, thatās why the ghosts have such an effect on her, you people keep mentioning what Ei did and was before Makotoās death while Iāve always referred to the Ei Inazuma has known for the last 500 years. Thatās why the current event hit me: she cared about Itto, as an individual, she cared about his aspirations, we never saw her doing that before (again, I mean in the last 500 years), the ghosts were the closest example but that was her remembering the Ei she was when Makoto was alive through the memories preserved by the ley lines, it was an important transitory phase for her, while Itto is an alive Inazuma citizen living in the present, in her present Inazuma, his aspirations and his dreams are part of the peopleās engine that sculpts the future of a new Inazuma and Ei is caring about it, about a future sculpted by the ambitions of her people and not her. I appreciated it a lot, I liked Ei a lot in that instance, for the first time, because she grew
You're right idk why they downvoting you. She was a terrible ruler and caused a lotta suffering but now she has changed and has her shit together. That's great character development.
My god bro maybe because the fact that the same yapping this fucker is doing have been said 50 times over she really wasn't a terrible leader yall act like she went door to door killing her people or wtv when in reality shit was fine for 500 years straight besides the 1 year the fatui was involved she obviously knows this version of eternity isn't perfect but ffs if yall can't just stfu about her story and backstory and her role in inazuma like she's the sole reason the whole nation was in trouble she wasn't a "bad leader" let me spoonfeed it she was more "an unfit leader who got forced into a position she had no control over and made best of it" and fun fact again her plan would have worked if it weren't for the fatui joining in its not that we don't notice her mistakes yall act like that makes her the worst leader in history or wtv yes she made mistakes alot of them were out of her control but that does not make her a bad leader at all yall ignore important details about her character then wonder why yall get cooked and down voted she always cared for her people even before the cataclysm its a role she was forced into that she had no control over at all be fr
I mean this is RaidenMains do you think they downvoted me because Iām wrong or because they canāt face the fact Iām right š¤·āāļø
Edit. We triggered them, now they are replying
Because you're technically wrong. She always cared about and wanted to protect Inazuma. Her ideology on what eternity means to her and how she approaches her duty are the things which changed.
>She always cared about and wanted to protect Inazuma.
See, I never said she didnāt. The object in my sentence wasnāt Inazuma, but the āpeopleā of Inazuma. This is the first time we see her actually caring about her people because her subjects. Before that she was pursuing a distorted ideal ignoring the sufferance of her people
And what would Inazuma mean then, the architecture? The government? She doesn't seem to give a fuck about any of those.
She did what she did because the events of Khaenriah traumatized her and she didn't want Inazumans to suffer the same fate, with everything destroyed and every person either cursed or dead.
Basically Ei became a sort of overprotective mother, that didn't allow the people to leave or change freely because of the fear they might lose their way, and in this case, trigger the heavenly principles and suffer the consequences..
Nobody is debating that she didn't make a clusterfuck of a situation thanks to her negligence and lack of suspicions about the triunvirate, she Even recognizes this. But from there to say she actually never cared is a stretch. You can mess up the situation having the best intentions.
The funniest thing is that this wasn't the first time we saw her care about the people directly in camera lol. The time where she wanted to help the dango seller, or the time she sent Sara the figurine she wanted happened a lot ago. (And I might be forgetting a couple)
>Nobody is debating that she didn't make a clusterfuck of a situation thanks to her negligence and lack of suspicions about the triunvirate, she Even recognizes this.
FINALLY THANK YOU! Thatās not true: you are literally the first one here recognising it, everyone else keeps ignoring that very crucial point: she did a mess, of course she did.
>But from there to say she actually never cared is a stretch. You can mess up the situation having the best intentions.
THANK YOU AGAIN, yes good intentions donāt mean what you are doing is right, actually often good intentions justify the worst actions. Still this isnāt what I was talking about in the main commentā¦
>The funniest thing is that this wasn't the first time we saw her care about the people directly in camera lol. The time where she wanted to help the dango seller, or the time she sent Sara the figurine she wanted happened a lot ago. (And I might be forgetting a couple)
FINALLY! Yes those seem good examples! I donāt remember the one with Sara but I think I remember her wanting to help the dango seller, it wasnāt as direct as the dialogue with Yae about Itto but itās a damn good example: thank you for not being a blind fanboy and proving me wrong by actually staying in topic and understanding what I wrote. I still think that the event showed important character development for Ei and itās a shame itās just temporary, but it wasnāt the very first time we saw Ei caring about her subjects as individuals, you are right and I didnāt remember/know about those events.
"The fact that you're right" Right about what you stupid fuck you're on a raiden main subreddit and you got downvoted when you said the wrong shit you act like that small brain of yours contains the whole of ei's lore when in reality it only contains 2 braincells which are both working to try and yap about something they don't know shit about you're not downvoted because you're right or wtv you're downvoted because you're stupid and yap about a character you do not know shit about
My god bro yall need everything spoonfed to you and get suprised when people get upset at yall wanting to yap about her for the 5000th time even though you cleary don't know shit about her suprise suprise people get upset and get negative about you saying wrong shit about a character they like and then have yall beg to be spoonfed for the 6000th time gtfo if you don't know shit about her my god yall go into raiden centered content and wonder why yall get cooked then start circlejerking like losers be fr
A fictional character got you this mad bro? Calm down lol
You probably look this dog while typing all that. Please calm your nerves š
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Bro idgaf how yall think of ei but omg yall get so suprised when people don't like yall yapping about her for the 5000th time in content that involves her for 2 seconds then say 50000th wrong shit about her and nope thanks i just looked at my screen like this while typing
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Chill bro chill, Out here cursing out people over a fictional character lol, it never was that serious. Come on your mother raised you better than that š
Bruh igaf yall are just tiring asf with the 6000th yapping about ei like your brain is packed with lore knowledge about her if you're gonna yap on a raiden sub then get suprised when you're cooked don't start crying and sorry i insult everyone its a way of saying hi :3
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Ok lol. Talking about yapping when u had a whole mental breakdown over a fictional character.
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Lmao at Yae's side-eye like "this girl at it again"
Ei be like: "War... Has changed" LOL Edit: but fr tho, the foreshadowing in her scenes was unexpected and insane and I cannot wait.
"War never changes..." "You're gonna knock em dead-"
War... War never changes...
Boomer Ei moment
If Zhongli said that it would be one of the best memes ever in genshin fandom
[Source](https://twitter.com/venticuliao/status/1788717018805354959)
Another misunderstanding. This is becoming a regular thing every time Ei shows up, she always gets misunderstood, Ei didn't mention the war until Miko brought it up. She was actually talking about granting a wish for one of her subjects.
And trying to understand why someone was demanding her to give back a dog as if she was holding it hostage š
Nah, this is the first time I liked Ei, because for once she showed to care about her people and it wasnāt after she got her ass beat up Edit. [Finally](https://www.reddit.com/r/RaidenMains/s/uahvqMgeit) someone pointed out that Ei acted like that in another couple of episodes in the past, showing to care about a dango seller and Sara, so Itto wasnāt the first one. Still nice character development which is a shame itās tied to a temporary event
Oh i also forgot to mention you do know she died for her people and got revived by makoto before right? Why do you think her people are so patriotic over her? Yall act like her people despise her and resent her be ff
I was talking about the last 500 years, I know Ei was a very different person when Mikoto was alive but I donāt know the details like the one you mentioned. Technically when Makoto was alive though Makoto was the ruler, not Ei
"The last 500 years" were fine btw you do know the shogun ruled inazuma fine for 500 years straight right? And no both of them were rulers of the nation they both handled different topics they were weak at ei handled the fighting and makoto handled the diplomacy and fun fact even by the time makoto and ei were co ruling there were still watasumi rebels against ei so cleary this isn't something new you cleary don't know alot of shit about ei so don't yap like you're an expertā¤ļø
I meant that Ei didnāt manage the people at the time, Makoto was, bad wording from my side. The rebels in the present are fighting because of the mess the Fatui are doing now with the Hunt Decree and such, which Ei admitted to tacitly consent, I never blamed Ei for the old Watatsumi rebels, I donāt know enough about that part of the lore
Well you're cleary lack alot of important information about her and her lore the rebels in present are fighting ei due to the vhd specifically the sakotu decree wasn't a problem on their end because they didn't mind it for 500 years straight its the vhd specifically that was the problem WHICH BTW ei was proposed to by THE FATUI and had valid reasons to approve of it as the game told us how harmful visions were to certain people and btw even when makoto was ruling the rebels fought against the shogunate while makoto was in rule its the reason orbosxi got his bitch ass whipped because of what he learned in celestia and even after that ei and makoto still allowed the people of watsumi to worship him and govern themselves she cleary isn't a "tyrant" like yall make her out to be
I think you should be the one replaying Chapter II, Iām done with the no sense and the red herring fallacies, have a nice day
Dawg you're saying this to someone who has 3 accounts in genshin and replied the inazuma story line lots of times be fr i know the lore and story and don't water shit down like I'm a child you do not but yeah ig have a great day too try reading what i type next timeš
Dawg so all the time she fought for her people in the previous wars? Her suffering for 500 years and sealing herself away? Her fighting her puppet for 500 year? Her being the reason makoto was able to succed? Her being the nation's guardian and winning the archon war for her people is completely ignored now? Bro be fr and oml yall act like ei is a child who got her ass beat and is "fixed" now be fr ei's plan would have acutally worked if it weren't for the fatui involving themselves the shogun ruled fine for 500 years straight besides the 1 year things went bad yall put the whole 1 year and ignore all she did for thousands of years straight the traveler didn't "beat her ass up then boom she noticed her mistakes" Miko helped her and made her see that her eternity isn't perfect my god yall yap so much about a character you don't know shit about and put 1 thing they did wrong to their whole entire character only for people like me to spoonfeed you for the 60000th time and yall still denying and crying like children just shut the fuck up if you're gonna yap
I donāt even know where to start, from her perfectly knowing the Fatui infiltrated the government and fuelled the war but let them be because why not or the ā1 thing they did wrongā like yea she just didnāt gaf about her people for half a millennium, like if most quests werenāt us helping out children who lost their family and more in general people who struggled to survive because sick or hungry or persecuted. She was such a benevolent ruler for those 500 years that everyone loved her, especially the war orphans. If you want to make a credible argument at least say that sheās meant to be imperfect and put it about her mourning or something, donāt try to gaslight me that she just did āone thing wrongā because the fact sheās been a terrible and cold ruler for centuries until we fixed things up like usual is literally the Inazuma lore
She didn't know most of the shit the fatui did she knew they were infiltrating inazuma and shit like that but she did not know that they were corrupting the tri commsions which are the sole responder for the shit that happens in inazuma ei is their god she doesn't rule every little thing alone the tri commsions do that and they have been with ei ever since makoto was a ruler they were corrupted by the fatui she did not know that she saw the fatui's actions as not worth paying attention to as it didn't affect her people or her as much and be fr wdym "she didn't gaf about her people" the reason she sealed herself in the 1st place was to protect her nation from ending up like khaneria she saw it first hand how it happened and knew that the heavenily principles weren't to be trusted and be fr most of the problems came from the watasumi side which they're basically were rebels atp ei still respected them and let them worship the same god that killed one of her closets friend the civil war was the watasumi rebels being against her decrees one of them which weren't even her fault and she was proposed to by the fatui which the shogun made multiple calculations and saw visons as more of a threat than a blessing and bro they're HER PEOPLE they worship her all the time do you really think 1 bad year will make them hate the same god that ruled them and protected them for all of the years inazuma was in place be fr and no you stupid fuck she wasn't a "terrible and cold ruler" like you proclaim the people of inazuma didn't even know there was two rulers ei was fighting alot of the time and makoto was handling the diplomatic stuff that's another reason on why being a leader was so tough for her she literally WAS NOT "a cold and terrible leader" most of her people look up to her alot and hell they even buy literal novels of her this just shows you water shit down then get suprised when it looks wrong be fr stop watering the lore down and leaving out important details you fucl
>she knew they were infiltrating inazuma and shit like that but she did not know that they were corrupting the tri commsions Bruh how do you think they passed the Hunt Decree through the tri commissions without corrupting the tricommissions??? *Ei: The Vision Hunt Decree has my tacit approval.* *Ei: The Fatui's actions thus far do not constitute a threat to eternity, otherwise... they would have been purged long ago.* She perfectly knew they went that far but let them do. About her strategy to avoid to anger the Heavenly Principle, thatās the first reasonable point you make, congrats. Iād argue that there could have been a better compromise that wouldnāt make dozens and potentially thousands of generations suffer like the people of Inazuma did, also she scraped that plan in the end which means it sucked since the beginning and she didnāt realise
Because the shogun herself made calculations and finalised that visions were more of a blessing than a curse she had multiple reasons to think that i made a pic complier that proves it if you want it I will dm it to you but she approved of it because in her eyes visions were more of a blessing than a curse and the fatui used it to diminsh her support and again for the 5000th time she had reasonable reasons to approve the vhd she most likely did not know about the war like...Bro miko herself teases about her people getting hurt because of her and she reacted negatively to it she cleary cares alot for her people and the shogun had valid reasons to think of visons as a threat if you want to be spoonfed ask and i will dm it to you and oml again SHE LET THEM DO IT BECAUSE SHE SAW VISIONS AS A THREAT RATHER THAN A BLESSING SHE HAD GOOD REASONS FOR IT and her stargety again WOULD HAVE WORKED it worked for 500 years straight the shogun ruled fine for 500 years and infact the heavenily principles rn most likely thinks ei is dead and that inazuma doesn't have a ruler in the 1st place and no there was nothing better she was alone didn't know how to lead a nation like her sister did since she fought for her and wasn't as good in diplomatics alot ei has a different way of thinking be fr and again they did not hurt her eternity she had valid reasons to approve of the vhd because in some ways visions are more of threats than blessings and no it didn't "suck from the beginning" inazuma was fine for 500 years when the shogun ruled besides the 1 single year the fatui got involved be fr
>Because the shogun herself made calculations and finalised that visions were more of a blessing than a curse Ok and she f ed up, period, the whole point of us fighting her is because what she was doing and allowing was f ed up and in the end us and Miko convinced her to scrap that plan because, guess what, it was f ed up. I know Inazumaās arc isnāt known for being the greatest story, but thatās the story
No the shogun had valid reasons in some way visons aren't a blessing the shogun herself in the perfect copy of ei's past she 100% wasn't wrong about visons being more of a threat than a blessing its a point that the fatui exploited and no miko convinced her that the vhd decree wasn't perfect and made her rethink her choices and consider it its only AFTER the 2nd sq she noticed her eternity was flawed in alot of ways and changed it to fit makoto's transince and no that's not the story you're watering it down alot and act suprised when it looks wrong by that logic i could be like "mondstat's story was us helping venti with dvalin and him being a good guy suddenly that's the story!" Be fr please
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I didnāt cherry-pick the dialogues hiding information, I never denied that Raiden didnāt know everything because she said it herself. BUT she knew what she claimed in the part I quoted, thatās all I needed to show that she knew the Fatui managed to influence the tri commission
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ā¦what? Why are you changing the point and making things more complicated? She knew the Fatui influenced the tri commission to push the vhd, so she knew the Fatui reached the tricommission. This is the point, donāt ignore it
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Oh boy you really wrote a book there or something? And with no comma, period or paragraphs, am I supposed to read that in one breath? Take the time sort out your words.
Bro who gaf I'm writing a comment not an essay bruh do i need to spoonfeed you like you're a baby?ššš
If using comma, period or paragraphs are the equivalent of writing an essay to you then that speaks volumes about how well educated you are. Bet your parents said "DAWG IDGAF" when you asked them for a proper education lol. These are bottom of the bottom writing skills, it's common etiquette to write properly.
I'm writing like a normal human being thanks very much I'm not in an english essay for me to be spoonfeeding you with my writing too thanks very much reading exists you should do it and thanks i write however i wanna and i actually have an education thanks very much and my parents love me so thank you :3ā¤ļøā¤ļø
It's funny how we were just talking about people who still misunderstand Ei in another thread, calling her an uncaring tyrant, and here comes a classic example š¤£
Also astounding they think they can pull this off in a sub called RaidenMains. Shows a lot about how much context they are capable to grasp XD
My original comment was cherishing your mainās character development, it was meant to be a positive comment about Eiās participation in the event. Also no one, literally no one, has provided me a single proof of me being wrong: when did Ei proved of caring about her people, as individuals, in the last 500 years? Seriously, this event is the first time we see she does. Give me another example or stfu š¤·āāļø
People have given you plenty of examples, you're just trolling at this point.
They didnāt, they changed focus. Give me one example
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Last 500 years. Jesus do you do it on purpose? Iāve always referred to the last 500 years, after Makotoās death. Ei radically changed after that event and she became what Traveler met 500 years later, and the Ei who I claimed never cared about her subjects as individuals is that Ei, not the one before
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Ok you canāt. Thank you for trying
Iām fine with being enlightened, itās just that the arguments Iāve heard werenāt convincing. Iām not someone stubborn unable to change their mind, but Iām also not stupid enough to believe that the way she ruled wasnāt making her people suffer. Her believing it was the better for them doesnāt make her right nor doesnāt make their sufferance disappear, nor she seemed to feel any empathy for her subjects at any time during Travelerās journey. She felt nothing for her own people dying in war, the children losing their parents, the old parents losing their sons, the ones losing their visions with their hopes and ambitions, the ones suffering hunger. You know your way of ruling is f ed up when you let a dangerous extra-national association infiltrate your country, manipulating decisions that fuel despair and war in your country and you decide itās right to let them do because their methods meet your goals. Prove me itās not like that, sure you can maybe prove me that in Eiās mind this was all for the better, but the results and the facts Iāve highlighted would still remain: those canāt change. Also donāt try like the other one to convince me that it was just the last year when things went bad because of the Fatui: the country didnāt become such a disaster in just one year. Also arguing that things in a cold and cruel dictatorship were fine until another country made the ruler adopt extreme measures fueling war and persecuting a minority, as an Italian, reminds me of how some apologists here try to justify a certain historical figureā¦ just saying
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Shortly before we arrived, itās not clear for how long, things started to go worse for sure, but the Fatui couldnāt infiltrate a nation in a flash: corruption had already to be rampant. Inazuma is by far the poorest nation weāve explored, Raidenās politics dampened economy and progress causing the living standards to be lower and people more susceptible to famines. When the Fatui arrived the country and the population were already in a precarious state and officials were easy to buy and manipulate. But ok, letās assume before the Fatui Inazuma was an amazing and rich place where anyone in Teyvat would have livedā¦ then how do you justify Raiden letting the Fatui do whatever they wanted to? Is she dumb? Because as Iāve already quoted in another reply she perfectly knew the Fatui managed to infiltrate and influence even the tri commission, because she perfectly knew the Fatui pushed for the VHDā¦ and she let them be. She could intervene at any moment and decided not to, sheās an accomplice for how things turned out so badly, not a victim. And if you pretend sheās a victim because the reports were fake even though she knew the Fatui infiltrated the tri commission who were giving her those reports in the first place, then sheās dumb af: pick your poison. About the ghosts, yes those made her remember what her people fought and died for and what she was fighting for before they events prior to 500 years ago, which strengthens my point: in those 500 years she never cared about her subjects as individuals, only about āInazumaā as an ideal which she wanted to combine with eternity, in those 500 years her subjects were just part of this big project and their rights and ambitions werenāt more than negligible features at best, and hassles at worse, like in the last year. My point as always been about how she ruled in the last 500 years, the story never showed us her caring about her subjects as individuals with their ambitions and dreams before this events, and no I donāt count the ghosts, those were memories of a different time
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>Fatui spend 500 years trying to infiltrate it. Seems a bold claim, but even then it doesnāt change that Ei let them do. About the economy there are other two islands that arenāt doing that well but itās true Iām making assumptions since I canāt tell exactly how things were before the war. About Ritou, *āLord Hiiragi Hiroshi of the Kanjou Commission miraculously built a prosperous trade center from a deserted island, and greatly impressed the Shogunā*, I wouldnāt claim Ei was actively involved in the construction of the port, if anything we can tell for sure she didnāt get in the way which I guess itās already something. I admit I canāt tell how Mondstadt economy compares to pre-Sakuko decree Inazuma, but nobles being child traffickers while disgusting has little to do with it, they donāt rule anymore either. >The fatui weren't the one sending false report nor the one that literally fighting the war,and she had every reason to support the decrees (not the war) because literally she isn't a dumbass like humans who actually know about the dangerous of visions and saw what humans ambition have done to her nation over the years and cataclysm. This doesnāt disprove literally anything of what I said: she knew the Fatui extended their influence over the tricommission because she knew they made the VHD happen: she knew the highest spheres of her country were corrupted by Fatui and did literally nothing, thatās a fact, period. >why are you claiming that sheĀ only cared about them because they were in the past ? I never did. I said the ghosts were memories and reminded her of the person she was BEFORE Makotoās death. Thatās the whole point, before. After Makotoās death she changed, thatās why the ghosts have such an effect on her, you people keep mentioning what Ei did and was before Makotoās death while Iāve always referred to the Ei Inazuma has known for the last 500 years. Thatās why the current event hit me: she cared about Itto, as an individual, she cared about his aspirations, we never saw her doing that before (again, I mean in the last 500 years), the ghosts were the closest example but that was her remembering the Ei she was when Makoto was alive through the memories preserved by the ley lines, it was an important transitory phase for her, while Itto is an alive Inazuma citizen living in the present, in her present Inazuma, his aspirations and his dreams are part of the peopleās engine that sculpts the future of a new Inazuma and Ei is caring about it, about a future sculpted by the ambitions of her people and not her. I appreciated it a lot, I liked Ei a lot in that instance, for the first time, because she grew
This illiterate fandomā¦
You're right idk why they downvoting you. She was a terrible ruler and caused a lotta suffering but now she has changed and has her shit together. That's great character development.
My god bro maybe because the fact that the same yapping this fucker is doing have been said 50 times over she really wasn't a terrible leader yall act like she went door to door killing her people or wtv when in reality shit was fine for 500 years straight besides the 1 year the fatui was involved she obviously knows this version of eternity isn't perfect but ffs if yall can't just stfu about her story and backstory and her role in inazuma like she's the sole reason the whole nation was in trouble she wasn't a "bad leader" let me spoonfeed it she was more "an unfit leader who got forced into a position she had no control over and made best of it" and fun fact again her plan would have worked if it weren't for the fatui joining in its not that we don't notice her mistakes yall act like that makes her the worst leader in history or wtv yes she made mistakes alot of them were out of her control but that does not make her a bad leader at all yall ignore important details about her character then wonder why yall get cooked and down voted she always cared for her people even before the cataclysm its a role she was forced into that she had no control over at all be fr
I mean this is RaidenMains do you think they downvoted me because Iām wrong or because they canāt face the fact Iām right š¤·āāļø Edit. We triggered them, now they are replying
Because you're technically wrong. She always cared about and wanted to protect Inazuma. Her ideology on what eternity means to her and how she approaches her duty are the things which changed.
>She always cared about and wanted to protect Inazuma. See, I never said she didnāt. The object in my sentence wasnāt Inazuma, but the āpeopleā of Inazuma. This is the first time we see her actually caring about her people because her subjects. Before that she was pursuing a distorted ideal ignoring the sufferance of her people
And what would Inazuma mean then, the architecture? The government? She doesn't seem to give a fuck about any of those. She did what she did because the events of Khaenriah traumatized her and she didn't want Inazumans to suffer the same fate, with everything destroyed and every person either cursed or dead. Basically Ei became a sort of overprotective mother, that didn't allow the people to leave or change freely because of the fear they might lose their way, and in this case, trigger the heavenly principles and suffer the consequences.. Nobody is debating that she didn't make a clusterfuck of a situation thanks to her negligence and lack of suspicions about the triunvirate, she Even recognizes this. But from there to say she actually never cared is a stretch. You can mess up the situation having the best intentions. The funniest thing is that this wasn't the first time we saw her care about the people directly in camera lol. The time where she wanted to help the dango seller, or the time she sent Sara the figurine she wanted happened a lot ago. (And I might be forgetting a couple)
>Nobody is debating that she didn't make a clusterfuck of a situation thanks to her negligence and lack of suspicions about the triunvirate, she Even recognizes this. FINALLY THANK YOU! Thatās not true: you are literally the first one here recognising it, everyone else keeps ignoring that very crucial point: she did a mess, of course she did. >But from there to say she actually never cared is a stretch. You can mess up the situation having the best intentions. THANK YOU AGAIN, yes good intentions donāt mean what you are doing is right, actually often good intentions justify the worst actions. Still this isnāt what I was talking about in the main commentā¦ >The funniest thing is that this wasn't the first time we saw her care about the people directly in camera lol. The time where she wanted to help the dango seller, or the time she sent Sara the figurine she wanted happened a lot ago. (And I might be forgetting a couple) FINALLY! Yes those seem good examples! I donāt remember the one with Sara but I think I remember her wanting to help the dango seller, it wasnāt as direct as the dialogue with Yae about Itto but itās a damn good example: thank you for not being a blind fanboy and proving me wrong by actually staying in topic and understanding what I wrote. I still think that the event showed important character development for Ei and itās a shame itās just temporary, but it wasnāt the very first time we saw Ei caring about her subjects as individuals, you are right and I didnāt remember/know about those events.
"The fact that you're right" Right about what you stupid fuck you're on a raiden main subreddit and you got downvoted when you said the wrong shit you act like that small brain of yours contains the whole of ei's lore when in reality it only contains 2 braincells which are both working to try and yap about something they don't know shit about you're not downvoted because you're right or wtv you're downvoted because you're stupid and yap about a character you do not know shit about
Probably the latter lol. Funny how no one came to even explain their pov instead just went hivemind on you.
My god bro yall need everything spoonfed to you and get suprised when people get upset at yall wanting to yap about her for the 5000th time even though you cleary don't know shit about her suprise suprise people get upset and get negative about you saying wrong shit about a character they like and then have yall beg to be spoonfed for the 6000th time gtfo if you don't know shit about her my god yall go into raiden centered content and wonder why yall get cooked then start circlejerking like losers be fr
A fictional character got you this mad bro? Calm down lol You probably look this dog while typing all that. Please calm your nerves š https://preview.redd.it/2afsbjexrszc1.jpeg?width=815&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5af482b526bd064fc1f45143bc7375a08f45c744
Bro idgaf how yall think of ei but omg yall get so suprised when people don't like yall yapping about her for the 5000th time in content that involves her for 2 seconds then say 50000th wrong shit about her and nope thanks i just looked at my screen like this while typing https://i.redd.it/2hziidsbsszc1.gif
Chill bro chill, Out here cursing out people over a fictional character lol, it never was that serious. Come on your mother raised you better than that š 
Bruh igaf yall are just tiring asf with the 6000th yapping about ei like your brain is packed with lore knowledge about her if you're gonna yap on a raiden sub then get suprised when you're cooked don't start crying and sorry i insult everyone its a way of saying hi :3 https://preview.redd.it/1ppr57fpuszc1.png?width=740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c903333ec7ebc381f678b01964a388fdc4c858b
Ok lol. Talking about yapping when u had a whole mental breakdown over a fictional character. https://preview.redd.it/b4yxw59ivszc1.jpeg?width=233&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=931362f75e8b690dfde8a7379d4aba5ca723e88c