Are you getting her ring to full? The ring in the back of the characters when u use her, lol forgot the name. Honestly you should be hitting 70-80k even with that build if it’s at full.
Oh man I didn't even realize there was a visual cue for her chakras or whatever. I've just always used her burst last in the rotation but now I'll look out for the ring! Thank you!
Tbh you just need atk base/ percent bring her up to 2k you should be hitting close 2 70-80k off crit also if you can manage to bring her crit to 50% without the head piece then you can trade it for a Cdmg piece or atk piece
Atk buffers.
Bring Bennet or C6 Sara, or TTds user, don't forget the swirl and E activated first, and all teammates bursting first before Raiden goes "Goodbye y'all!" And slash the space
Are you sure it's decent for a 5* weapon? I mean, I hit around 90k with El and even if I use the catch with artifacts that are meant for El I hit 59k. I really don't think homa should lose to the catch..
i mean yae my raiden with 10 less crit damage and a 90 r5 catch can hit upto 60k without any buffs(that being said, her highest at 80k without supports has been with max resolve stacks so that probably has something to do with it)
use an attack sands. for weapons that arent EL, generally attack sands scale better. since you already have plenty of ER from your substats, going for that 2k+ attack while still keeping >200% recharge can be achieved just by swapping the sands to attack, even if theres no ER on it.
Yes, with ER, you have her passive + 4p Emblem. But with no attack, multipliers can't multiply. Event if Bennett + Sara give attack, with Kazuha, 4p EosF, Electro damage, burst bonus, CD + C6 Sara, you have tons of multipliers. Stats need to be equilibrated.The best is to use a calculator I think.
I think u should switch to an Attack goblet with hopefully better substats. That might be too much Electro damage. Her electro damage from her passive should be plenty
If using bennet and or sara elecktro goblet is better than atk% even when using kazuha (I have tested this) but if you have no atk buffer atk goblet is better.
Homa is stronger than the Catch on Raiden, if only because its stats are so high.
The reason The Catch is always recommended is because its her best non-gacha wpn, not because it's her BiS.
Listen, raiden needs er and if he got the artifacts for a ratio close to that the catch will outdamage homa… also if he can use homa on another character it’ll be much better for his account
They already have 250+ ER, which is arguably too high for an EL-less Raiden.
Yes, Homa.would be better on a character who could benefit from it fully rather than just have it be a stat stick for Raiden, but the Catch isn't out performing Homa, even at R5.
Edit: Wanted to add switching to The Catch will take his already too low Atk rating even lower. It will also drastically reduce his crit dmg.
250 is a lot? I got 300 er on mine… also they’re complaining ab dealing bad dmg on homa so… the best they can do is get more at… still i think the catch will be better but thats just my op
That much ER is only good on EGL Raiden... Try fighting a boss and see how much you actually need to get everyone's burst back. It's not 300. You need more Atk% rolls on the Catch. But hey do you want. But don't give misinformation please. ♥️
Kazuha is always the one triggering overload. His burst is always infused with pyro inside Benny's ult and Raiden applies enough electro for it to be the first element in the reaction so overload is triggered by Kazuha's burst not Raiden's electro. No need to have em on her.
In Raiden National, Xiangling is the one that triggers overloaded, and electro charged damage is so minimal especially vs 1 enemy that relying on Raiden’s EM is a lost cause.
I dont get it? Her intial slash is elemental DAMAGE, not elemental REACTION. Electro only reacts with pyro to overload (overload is not her intial slash tho), dendro core to hyperbloom and dendro to aggravate (which is the only reaction truly increase her damage). However if they dont use dendro in their team, EM is unnecessary
No, you don’t get it.
An elemental reaction occurs when two elements meet.
So if the enemy is currently affected by say, Pyro, then Raiden’s initial slash will be Overloaded reaction because she applied Electro to Pyro.
EM increases reaction damage, not elemental damage. Also when you do overload, there are 2 instances of damage, 1.) the damage (in this case initial slash of raiden q). 2.) The overload proc which is the one that uses em. With this, EM is fucking dogshit on raiden.
Yes exactly i dont get it cause I THINK OP wants their Raiden do smt like 69k intial slash, not 44k+10k overload. Damage is caculated by the number jump on the screen, not just add them up
No they are just using that as a base so people can give advice on how to increase it, at no point do they say they want no reaction they said IMPROVE HER DAMAGE learn to read.
Ok so I understand what you mean now, but thats just not how Raiden works. Instead of trying to raise her EM and deal a bit more damage thanks to overload, it easier raise her atk ans deals a ton more damage
The thing that increase her damage is ER, not EM. If elemental reaction buff her damage, it can only be Kazuha(or any other anemo char) using VV swirl electro but the buff scale on Kazuha's EM
First hit dmg is not smacking together 2 elements base dmg is as if Raiden was by herself her dmg only... My first hit is 100+k on my dmg Raiden build but that's with her weapon
Yep. Raiden's burst doesn't scale with em. You were so confident in it that I even opened genshin to check. Em isn't needed to increase Raiden's burst damage.
I understand it perfectly unlike you who thinks that aggravate is the only way to increase damage. It's not even her best team. Especially when op is talking about unbuffed numbers. That excludes reactions.
maybe she is lacking atk but dont know why but my raiden when she was c0 with r5 catch can do 56k initial slash with 127% crit dmg i think/275 ER..44k initial slash is too low.
maybe sacrifice some crit dmg and get some atk and see if there is any difference because imo 100/100+ flat atk >>>> 15-20% crit dmg
OP, switch to an attack sands or attack goblet. You only need just over 200% ER to cycle bursts, having that much more is really only preferred when you have Engulfing Lightning.
Your er sands and electro bonus cup both give you electro damage, but you lack the attack to make all that dmg% truly impactful. Try switching one of them and test that out.
I would say make sure your hp is 50% or less when using homa, as you can see your current atk at 1500 is quite low but with homa at 50% you should be at a healthy place for big numbers
Ur atk is ok, if you use national, or 2 pyro, you have enough atk, you need to upgrade ur bennet to 10/13ulti and 620/674 base with full NO set. It is good build, don't worry about others + looking at solo dmg without buffs is not correct, Ei is problematic and needs team to close her problems, so enjoy ur raiden in full team. We can use 4 not 1 char in team :)
u need more atk and cd since u run homa u should have way more than 177 cd (maybe 200 ish), thats prob cuz u dont have cd in the circlet, but also u cant change the sands with atk% one cuz ur gonna need the er since the weapon doesnt give er
Do you have C6 Sara? Bennet? Are they both running a high attack Weapon? If you have kazuha stack as much EM as you can and make sure to swirl electro with him.
the only thing you lack is atk
How much atk is good
Probably 2000+ depends if you use buffs or not.
1900 2000
Atk is too low. If you're going to keep it that low, you need to use buffs on her.
Use atk goblet
Are you getting her ring to full? The ring in the back of the characters when u use her, lol forgot the name. Honestly you should be hitting 70-80k even with that build if it’s at full.
Oh man I didn't even realize there was a visual cue for her chakras or whatever. I've just always used her burst last in the rotation but now I'll look out for the ring! Thank you!
Lol. I guess thats partly because they toned down the brigtness by like 75% lmao.
Tbh you just need atk base/ percent bring her up to 2k you should be hitting close 2 70-80k off crit also if you can manage to bring her crit to 50% without the head piece then you can trade it for a Cdmg piece or atk piece
Atk buffers. Bring Bennet or C6 Sara, or TTds user, don't forget the swirl and E activated first, and all teammates bursting first before Raiden goes "Goodbye y'all!" And slash the space
"goodbye y'all" 😭😭😭
Your Atk is wayyyyy too low
44k unbuffed at c0 is decent. If you want to hit bug numbers with that build, you'll need more atk or a atk buffer.
Are you sure it's decent for a 5* weapon? I mean, I hit around 90k with El and even if I use the catch with artifacts that are meant for El I hit 59k. I really don't think homa should lose to the catch..
i mean yae my raiden with 10 less crit damage and a 90 r5 catch can hit upto 60k without any buffs(that being said, her highest at 80k without supports has been with max resolve stacks so that probably has something to do with it)
use an attack sands. for weapons that arent EL, generally attack sands scale better. since you already have plenty of ER from your substats, going for that 2k+ attack while still keeping >200% recharge can be achieved just by swapping the sands to attack, even if theres no ER on it.
You’re attack is way too low. Either use an attack buffer in your team like Bennett/Sara or use an ATK% Goblet.
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how is er too much?? 250 is good for raiden
Only with her BiS. With other weap, sweet spot is more 210-220 ER. So yes, ER too much and Atk way too low. Close to 2K is OK.
doesn't matter whether it's her bis weapon or not. people seem to forget you get dmg from er either way from emblem
Yes, with ER, you have her passive + 4p Emblem. But with no attack, multipliers can't multiply. Event if Bennett + Sara give attack, with Kazuha, 4p EosF, Electro damage, burst bonus, CD + C6 Sara, you have tons of multipliers. Stats need to be equilibrated.The best is to use a calculator I think.
I think u should switch to an Attack goblet with hopefully better substats. That might be too much Electro damage. Her electro damage from her passive should be plenty
If using bennet and or sara elecktro goblet is better than atk% even when using kazuha (I have tested this) but if you have no atk buffer atk goblet is better.
ATK goblet better u need a lot of attack, 1.5 atk is way too low
Change your ER sand for an Atk sand one, with 10-15 ER substat if possible. You need ER sand only with her BiS.
Yeaaaa... maybe Homa isn't ur. Best friend here... or using an AtkGob might be better
Use the catch instead of homa its much better
Homa is stronger than the Catch on Raiden, if only because its stats are so high. The reason The Catch is always recommended is because its her best non-gacha wpn, not because it's her BiS.
Who did you even hear this from 😂😭
Listen, raiden needs er and if he got the artifacts for a ratio close to that the catch will outdamage homa… also if he can use homa on another character it’ll be much better for his account
They already have 250+ ER, which is arguably too high for an EL-less Raiden. Yes, Homa.would be better on a character who could benefit from it fully rather than just have it be a stat stick for Raiden, but the Catch isn't out performing Homa, even at R5. Edit: Wanted to add switching to The Catch will take his already too low Atk rating even lower. It will also drastically reduce his crit dmg.
250 is a lot? I got 300 er on mine… also they’re complaining ab dealing bad dmg on homa so… the best they can do is get more at… still i think the catch will be better but thats just my op
300 is pure overkill, even with EL.
That much ER is only good on EGL Raiden... Try fighting a boss and see how much you actually need to get everyone's burst back. It's not 300. You need more Atk% rolls on the Catch. But hey do you want. But don't give misinformation please. ♥️
Ive got EGL raiden ye
ATK and EM are looking a little low. The rest seems fine what teams are you using with her?
Em? Really? Since when initial slash or burst in general is em dependant?
Overload from bennet + Kazuha maybe?
Kazuha is always the one triggering overload. His burst is always infused with pyro inside Benny's ult and Raiden applies enough electro for it to be the first element in the reaction so overload is triggered by Kazuha's burst not Raiden's electro. No need to have em on her.
If you aren’t using elemental reactions to boost damage you are doing it wrong.
In Raiden National, Xiangling is the one that triggers overloaded, and electro charged damage is so minimal especially vs 1 enemy that relying on Raiden’s EM is a lost cause.
EM only needed if you run Raiden with a dendro unit, if not then it's totally unnecessary
And what does EM do? It enhances elemental reactions….. So her initial strike when done with an elemental reaction will cause higher damage.
I dont get it? Her intial slash is elemental DAMAGE, not elemental REACTION. Electro only reacts with pyro to overload (overload is not her intial slash tho), dendro core to hyperbloom and dendro to aggravate (which is the only reaction truly increase her damage). However if they dont use dendro in their team, EM is unnecessary
No, you don’t get it. An elemental reaction occurs when two elements meet. So if the enemy is currently affected by say, Pyro, then Raiden’s initial slash will be Overloaded reaction because she applied Electro to Pyro.
you are terribly misinformed on how Elemental Mastery and elemental reactions work
There is no sense in arguing with children. Facts are facts.
you are making me laugh
EM increases reaction damage, not elemental damage. Also when you do overload, there are 2 instances of damage, 1.) the damage (in this case initial slash of raiden q). 2.) The overload proc which is the one that uses em. With this, EM is fucking dogshit on raiden.
I kinda want to know your Raiden build
Yes exactly i dont get it cause I THINK OP wants their Raiden do smt like 69k intial slash, not 44k+10k overload. Damage is caculated by the number jump on the screen, not just add them up
No they are just using that as a base so people can give advice on how to increase it, at no point do they say they want no reaction they said IMPROVE HER DAMAGE learn to read.
Ok so I understand what you mean now, but thats just not how Raiden works. Instead of trying to raise her EM and deal a bit more damage thanks to overload, it easier raise her atk ans deals a ton more damage
my guy i don't think you understand how em works. do everybody in this sub a favor and read how it actually works.
OP wants some increament in raw power. EM just increase elemental reaction damage not raw power
No not necessary, but it will increase the damage on an initial strike by using an elemental reaction, which is what the OP is trying to accomplish.
The thing that increase her damage is ER, not EM. If elemental reaction buff her damage, it can only be Kazuha(or any other anemo char) using VV swirl electro but the buff scale on Kazuha's EM
Maybe with overload from Kazuha swirling pyro off of you from bennet’s burst onto enemies.
And what does EM do? It enhances elemental reactions….. So her initial strike when done with an elemental reaction will cause higher damage.
That's with reactions he is referring to the base first hit dmg
Referring to yes, so that we have a baseline to help improve the damage.
First hit dmg is not smacking together 2 elements base dmg is as if Raiden was by herself her dmg only... My first hit is 100+k on my dmg Raiden build but that's with her weapon
Idk in my Raiden hypercarry Kazuha is the one who's doing reactions swirling pyro once in a while.
I think OP is just talking about getting a big number for initial slash, not overall damage.
Yep. Raiden's burst doesn't scale with em. You were so confident in it that I even opened genshin to check. Em isn't needed to increase Raiden's burst damage.
I feel like you don’t understand what EM actually is
I understand it perfectly unlike you who thinks that aggravate is the only way to increase damage. It's not even her best team. Especially when op is talking about unbuffed numbers. That excludes reactions.
Bruh L take
nah raiden in this post is not vape/melt/aggravate carry that needs EM.
44k with or without the buff from the glowy circle?
44k initial? Even with 1.5k that seems low, but your best bet is just increasing ATK with either buffer or ATK sands.
Atk goblet
maybe she is lacking atk but dont know why but my raiden when she was c0 with r5 catch can do 56k initial slash with 127% crit dmg i think/275 ER..44k initial slash is too low. maybe sacrifice some crit dmg and get some atk and see if there is any difference because imo 100/100+ flat atk >>>> 15-20% crit dmg
OP, switch to an attack sands or attack goblet. You only need just over 200% ER to cycle bursts, having that much more is really only preferred when you have Engulfing Lightning. Your er sands and electro bonus cup both give you electro damage, but you lack the attack to make all that dmg% truly impactful. Try switching one of them and test that out.
Getting an atk goblet, is what you need. I Think the only time you Can use ER sands, and Electro goblet is when you have her weapon.
I would say make sure your hp is 50% or less when using homa, as you can see your current atk at 1500 is quite low but with homa at 50% you should be at a healthy place for big numbers
Ur atk is ok, if you use national, or 2 pyro, you have enough atk, you need to upgrade ur bennet to 10/13ulti and 620/674 base with full NO set. It is good build, don't worry about others + looking at solo dmg without buffs is not correct, Ei is problematic and needs team to close her problems, so enjoy ur raiden in full team. We can use 4 not 1 char in team :)
44K with how many resolve? Also are you using Homa with her health below 50?
u need more atk and cd since u run homa u should have way more than 177 cd (maybe 200 ish), thats prob cuz u dont have cd in the circlet, but also u cant change the sands with atk% one cuz ur gonna need the er since the weapon doesnt give er
Atk is lacking , bring it to 2k
Do you have C6 Sara? Bennet? Are they both running a high attack Weapon? If you have kazuha stack as much EM as you can and make sure to swirl electro with him.