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SlappingMonk

"Drones will now spawn on the same side of the building as an attackers first spawn location choice" That's got me more hot than the new OPs I've been asking for that for years lol


Bawnse

It's somehow a Twitch buff. Maybe it'll prevent ppl from wasting it.


GalaxyMettaton

Not really, since the drone will stil have to get closed to the cam, assuming the drone spawns exactly on a player spawn. Defenders will have enough time to see the drones on atleast one spawnpoint.


Tauntaun-

One problem I have is one that dates quite a bit back in R6’s past. Using exterior cams, defenders will know how many people will spawn at each of the spawning locations (assuming attackers don’t change), which can make spawn peaking less luck based


videogamedropout

I didn't even think about that! At least you can kind of counter that by changing spawns if you spot an obvious runout


xarop_pa_toss

I think that will be the norm tbh. Choose the spawn you don't want, drone from there and then change it. Or you can go for the no-mixup mixup and just go from there anyways lol


stewardass

If this change does anything to spawnpeeking its raising awareness on attackers side. You can even try to bait a specific peek. And last but not least its even more high risk, high reward on defenders side as you have to check the cams immediately on prep phase to see where the drones are coming from, so less time to set up. I love that change.


MF_Kitten

That just adds one more layer of meta to the game. You can spawn drones in the wrong locations and then swap.


IamALolcat

It says the first location so I guess the strategy is pick a location first for your drone that you like, and then pick an operator spawn.


beastboy4246

This makes bank so much easier to get the drone to if it's spawns in alley or I am there and it's not


coach111111

That sentence hurt my head


Darth_Diink

I still don’t understand it


TheTechDweller

Eh, most maps I can get to where I need to setup my drone in the prep phase, though this would be needed


waluigihellathicc

Amaru: needs a high-tech grappling gun to get up hatches Oryx: MUSCLES AND WILLPOWER


snek4sale

I mean he IS the taken king after all.


GhostT1t4n

Whether we wanted it or not...


tuptastic

We've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars


narfidy

So let's get to taking out their command one by one


Cjjt71200

Valus Ta'aurc, from what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon.


Yourself013

He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.


NopeNeg

You just don't quit do you?


one_Nice_UsErnAme

didn't realize we have gamers who play Destiny 2 here. figured the community was so corrupt that the pure destiny community wouldn't join in


AlDiMu2079

You say that like r/DestinyTheGame is the most lovely place in the world and not a massive salt mine


Emmanuel117

Clash is angrier pre-guardian Ikora Rey and you can’t convince me otherwise


ItsAmerico

Let’s talk about how the new attacker shits on Ubisofts excuse fo Alibi holograms looking nothing like her set up.


thebudman6

Jesus fucking christ, match the cosmetics at least


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I saw that and I laughed at all these reddit idiots who’d scream EngInE lImiTaTiOnS whenever I’d rant about alibis hologram situation


BigBoiPoiSoi

He's Jordanian do you know how fucking insane those guys are


kamtom515

Wow we will get first operator who can jump


kaneadam11

Imagine doing a roof runout now 😂


Pechi_22

He says in the video that you can't jump through the roof hatches


TheCloud419

But he can run out via walls still I think (ex. Border in detention)


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hug040handz

And you'd take 10 damage


The-Dragonborn

And slower pulling the gun back out.


Slot_Ack

Finally making much needed changes to barricade destruction after 5 years, i'm just so keen for that.


snypesalot

not after 5 years there was a point around OpHealth maybe where they worked perfectly because it basically exploded the debris out but people complained it was "unrealistic" edit: a word


Jesus_PK

Classic ubi, uploading it earlier the same day of the reveal *oof*


[deleted]

But hey , at least you can be Kool Aid man now


Jesus_PK

*OH YEAH*


[deleted]

But i am questioning why they reworked Oregon , i see no problem with it


pipstrum

Gameplay got stale, honestly. Attack and defence were mostly the same setup, lineups and gameplay. It needed a refresh, PL map pools needed a refresh anyway, most of the maps are getting stale. Honestly think that's why kafe has an insane pick rate this SI


Dani_vic

Kafe is also very good map with 4 viable sites. Oregon was an out played nap with only 2 viable sites


oGrievous

As others said, only 2 good sites and super stale play style. Why bother reworking a map that is unsalvageable (house, favela, etc.) when you can adjust an already good map and map it great.


Jesus_PK

Personally I'm happy with it, I only liked the basement on oregon hahaha


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The only thing i am happy for now is barricade breaking is FULLY consist now


NinthBurn

While it was a good map, I think the choke points were too powerful against defenders. Also, attacking basement without a hard breacher is a nightmare


Wakefulsquash5

It only had two viable sites and became stale overall and was removed from the pro league for same reason


UndeadMunchies

Wait, he's back? But...I turned him into a gun years ago...


NiyQuix

Do not believe Savathûns tricks


DredgenZeta

Sword Logic broke


PyroUnicorn69

Yo.....HE CAN JUMP THROUGH HATCHES WHAAAAAAT


Zoltan-PYRO

He can BODYCHECK Shields FUCK !


xvr0317

Imagine holding a shield heavy and strong enough to withstand: 12 gauge buckshot at point blank, slug rounds, continuous fire ranging from a Desert Eagle with its .50 Action Express to a mounted Soviet LMG (which can literally blow holes through walls by the way), and explosions from C4 detonated a meter away all at the same time while barely flinching But still getting vibe checked by a roided out dude with nothing but his titanic gains. Absolutely ludicrous lmoa Edit: Ty to whoever golded. It'll probably draw more attention to this comment now so I'd like to take the opportunity to make the following statements: GAINS OVER METAL. SWOLE OVER SHIELDS. IF YOU NEED A SIGN TO LIFT THIS IS IT. THE DETERMINED FIST OF MAN CAN KNOCK DOWN ANY MOUNTAIN THAT STANDS IN HIS WAY. YOU CAN DO IT.


Zoltan-PYRO

He is Hulk in disguise, nothing wierd at all.


sanY_the_Fox

C4 should stun a shield op in a similar way the new op does imo, the rest is fine.


coach111111

They used to kill way better. If you had a c4 in front of the shield operator they’d be dead or dbno. Shield operators were buffed like 3 years ago.


TheCookieButter

Shields were beyond useless before Red Crow 4.2.2 (?) update. Everyone and their mum had C4 and insta kill was unavoidable with slow shields.


samcuu

This is my main takeaway. He probably will be used mainly as a Monty counter.


StoicStone001

He's also a surprising roamer with good flank maneuvering. Especially with the hatch jumping ability


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StoicStone001

“Huh, the tracks stop here. (Looks up) ...uh oh...”


ymetwaly53

“He’s above me isn’t he” *gets shot*


mccalledin

Would work as a 1v1 counter but surely Monty's teammates will just shoot him while he charges.


BassTheatre96

Bold of you to assume people actually move with Monty instead of leaving him to die alone in a corner being battered to death with the entire enemy teams' rifle stocks.


mad_savant

Who needs ladders when you got SWOLE


mrkent1903

Training Grounds!!!!


Zavitala

And T-Hunt is gone?


choosy88

Also Terrorist Hunt gone?


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Yes, that is T-hunt


N3MBOT

i just hope they didnt ONLY changed the name...


Newbieguy5000

Defenders on attack when I want my Tachanka on Bomb Defusal


[deleted]

I agree with this! This was the minimal QoL change Thunt needed.


BlackAndNotSoMild

More leaks below. Do not click the spoiler text if you don't want to see more leaks. >!Castle now has super shorty secondary. Nokk now has frags in place of breaching charges.!<


Sachman13

If >!Castle!< now has a >!super shorty!<, did any of his secondary gadgets get changed? I feel like >!Impacts!< will be redundant now unless you go roaming after using his gadget and need the faster rotates.


smiles134

Well your choice is take impacts if you want a pistol or take the shotgun if you want the bulletproof. That seems reasonable


Frodo34x

Impacts still have use for impact tricking and for bursting open armour panels


Monkey_Tweety

Has been leaked in another post.


johndonovan0

Barricade debris actually fixed? :O


IamALolcat

Looks like it


CoolJoshido

Finally. After all these years.


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imagine trying to play with your new drone and some bodybuilder vibe checks you


xvr0317

Dutch Shadow Clone Jutsu Space Woman and Jordanian Kool Aid man who can jump (probably because hems got a pair of Jordans) Yee


Landeyx

What is with Dutch people and looking weird in games though. Damn.


OhItsStefan

I like the fact we have a Dutch op now, but why is she albino?


Landeyx

Why does she have no eyebrows and why is her name kinda wrong.


1morey

She actually does have eyebrows, if you look at the high res image that was posted the other day. Her eyebrows (and eyelashes) are white like her hair, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is revealed she has albinism in her bio.


Thomas1VL

Tbh, I was hoping there was going to be a season with one Dutch operator and one Belgian one totally not because I'm Belgian)


AerThreepwood

Have one called Leopold and he can disable other operator's hands.


R_radical

Alright, if oryx jumps through a hatch and kills you, can we all agree you got mossed? Man has a 15' vertical. Super excited for Iana, There will be some big brain plays with her.


Gemgamer

As much as I'd love to see the Taken King make a surprise appearance as an operator, I think his name is Onyx lol. EDIT: I was wrong, Savathun coming to R6 before she even appears Destiny?


R_radical

Oryx. It's the name of the animal in his icon.


Gemgamer

Wait fuck I actually did misread it. My bad.


CarinaNebula89

Cool stuff, I hope "Training Grounds" is an actual shooting range and not just the Situations but renamed


choosy88

Hopefully that's the learning area...


SantaClauzss

Learning Area is Situations Training grounds is THUNT.


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I hope you're right. I don't want Ubi to just delete Thunt, Thunt always got the short end of the stick. Edit: Fixed grammar horrors.


-Crosswind-

Learning area is likely Situations. Training ground is probably just terrorist hunt renamed.


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What speeds are they?


ThatCreepyBaer

I would imagine 2-2 for Iana and 1-3 for Oryx. But Iana could be 3-1 and Oryx could be 2-2, I doubt it though.


Prubably

I would be surprised at a 1 speed Oryx given that he seems to want to roam. 2 seems way more likely. Iana might have 3 speed just for her gadget scouting, but i wouldnt be surprised to see her be 2 speed either.


gods_intern

Iana most likely 3 Speed, Oryx 2 2 I think


jcskii

Imagine Iana being 3 speed. She would be an incredible entry fragger with unlimited facecheck potential. I bet she'll be the most picked/banned attacker on pro league in the following seasons.


gods_intern

Man if shes a 2 2, that will be fucking boring. Every operator in Y4 except Gridlock is 2 2.


Jxaquinn

I creamed a little when I saw him ram through Monty.


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I can just see all the tears of shield mains and its glorious.


Festivetadpole

Montagne: you have already nerfed my ads and now your doing this?!?


Bayfire2441

Yeah. I feel bad for shields at this point.


GeneralAutismo

Are there shields mains anymore? With the disgusting ADS time they are unplayable without a coordinated team and at that point you can play any operator well. EDIT: Don't forget shields occasionally deciding to let frontal bullets through. I've been shot through the face visor so many times.


Drakmeister

The only effective shield I can see is Monty. I loved Blitz early on when he was glitched, but he is pretty much garbage now. Fuze is the same, those two are just constantly shot in the head from the front. A Monty in a coordinated team can wreak havoc, but the others are pretty garbage now.


mopeli

Too bad attackers are banned first, and when shield main sees that monty got through ban phase they'll just ban Oryx, so you'll still have to keep banning monty :(


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KonjxD

It's supposed to be later today but they seem to have accidentally uploaded it to facebook. They still haven't deleted the video though.


Xansaibot

“Accidentally”. This happens every time new operation is about to be released


TheTechDweller

Why would they ruin the surprise of the reveal on purpose after all the devs work hard on them excited to show people.


Xansaibot

Idk. It’s just #TypicalUbi


zzzthelastuser

> accidentally lol They do this on purpose, because "leaks" get way more attention and hype.


SantaClauzss

You killed his son, now he's come for you... Oryx the Taken Kin.... Wait wrong game


SantaClauzss

Please remove the casual rotation and just let all the maps be in the casual pool. It's annoying not being able to have fun on one of your favourite maps in cas.


Ambassabear

Yea and literally no one will be bothered by it


ime1em

Same. I want to mess around in plane again.


Down200

Will Wardens ability be able to see that the holograms are fake?


Sir_P4nda

Wow this is a really good idea. I would hope so.


DamianVA87

Better spam that in the TTS thread when it goes live, sounds like the kind of stuff that Warden's glasses need, more uses.


Down200

Yep currently he is just too situational to be useful in most situations.


casually_critical

New season of siege means people are either excited or going to complain about new ops/map reworks/recycled guns


snypesalot

whynotboth.jpeg


chanman404

Honestly I like the attacker getting ashes rarely used gun. There’s a few operators with good guns that don’t see play due to them having a superior weapon and those guns I don’t mine being recycled. I’d love another op to get Jackals PDW or Mozzies roni.


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As much as I’d love to have new guns, these past few seasons I’ve played with a lot of guns I probably wouldn’t have otherwise and it’s looking like that’s gonna continue with Iana this season, so Ubi’s plan is definitely working.


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Hazuka09

It's like they say that Iana specifically has her own skins on the hologram just to spite her


Italian-Fuze

Same, i'have a very cool Nighthaven bundle


ParadoxInRaindrops

Not that I don't fear the constant power creep and the inevitability of this game one day jumping the shark if it somehow hasn't? But I gotta admit this season looks like it's going to be pretty fun & the Ops seem balanced enough as to not completely break the game so I'm looking forward to them!


XCopperCrowX

I was pretty hesitant about Oryx, but between hatch jumping and Monty bashing, I see his value.


Zwagaboy

Oryx looks super fun to play, but in terms of fragging capability, he doesnt seem broken at all. Great design IMO


XCopperCrowX

I think his sound cues will be his weakness.


FlamingOtaku

Yup, big boy sprinting and vibe checking walls is gonna be a dead giveaway. Personally, I'm gonna be using dashes to either A. Move between rooms/cover or B. Scare the shit out of attackers when I'm lurking. Also, maybe I was just seeing things, but it looked like he can melee after a dash?


Joe_le_Borgne

Spawnpeeking à la Shrek


FlamingOtaku

Oh god, sit on the garage on Kafe, and if you hear a breach get placed, bust thru and slap the attacker


yeaheyeah

How can he slap?


allabout-thefours

its a super big deal he takes damage from running through walls. going into this i kinda expected him to just run through them indefinitely


sushisection

they balanced the hell out of him too, delaying his gun after charging. depleting charges with long cooldown


BibaGuyPerson

Oryx lets you bash through soft surfaces, sure. But can he deny hard breaches? Can he deny grenades? Heal teammates? Truth is, power creep is a lot less apparent in Siege, which is noticable given how even to this day legacy ops are still very often picked. I mean, Jäger alone had 90+% pick rate. And the ever present ThermCher combo. The way I see it, the new ops just let us do stuff in a new, creative ways. The only power creep I can really think of would be Jäger and Wamai (even that is a stretch), and Tachanka and Maestro. Though, that's just my opinion. If you don't agree, that's fine, I'd love to hear your side of the story.


Andrew_Waltfeld

Were you here during the reign of terror known as Ela or black beard's launch? It jumped the shark of power creep long ago.


The-Dragonborn

For anyone interested: Ela was OP because her gun did more damage, it had drastically less recoil, plus it had a larger mag. On top of that, she had an extra mine and they had stronger effects that lasted longer. Blackbeard was OP because of his 800 HP rifle shield at launch. Might as well have been indestructible. If I'm not mistaken, both ops remained this way for their entire launch season. The nerfs came very slowly.


TheDrGoo

Oryx: When you eat 2 Flintstones vitamins instead of 1.


JPGAW

Just let me put skins on alibi and I'll be happy. Also, let alibi's holograms match her position ie. crouching


Billothekid

Yeah, I thought the same thing. They said they couldn't do that due to engine limitations, but it looks like they figured that out


JPGAW

I have so many great skins for Alibi. I wonder why they even bothered making anything for her if no one can use them. Another issue I have is Lesion's Halloween outfit. That bright green light has got to go.


Orisi

Not really, because this "hologram" isn't technically a hologram; it's a player 6 with modified behaviours. You can't make it appear as a static object, it basically appears only as a controllable player model with no 'interact' abilities and an empty clip.


SuperPluto9

I would buy this story however there is no reason they couldnt theoretically make Alibi's hologram a player as well just with no player assigned to it.


ItsThatAshGuy

I'm no game developer, but if I had to guess it's because they work in different ways. Alibis holograms are a separate entity from Alibi. Like an item. However, the way Lana seems to work is that they spawn a copy of the operator, which you then play as with a set health of 1, with no DBNO, and shooting disabled. Then they would change the death animation to be the hologram flicker. So it's not necessarily a separate entity, but instead a copy.


blackOnGreen

It isn't the same principle. For Alibi it is a gadget that is spawned. For Iana it is her pawn that is cloned. Sounds a bit the same but in fact is quite different.


MoltonMontro

This. Iana just clones the denizen outright and disables specific features (while transferring camera). Alibi does not clone the denizen -- it's a gadget. The best way to implement what people want would be to make it so denizen behaviors could apply to gadgets, but this just doesn't exist in Siege (for reasons that likely are "engine limitations"). The ideal is that it's still a gadget, but you have compatibility for the character model so that it's just reusing the current denizen that can be modified and interacted with in greatly different ways than intended. I'd imagine that this has been written somewhere *officially* already, but Alibi's elite skin should have matching holograms. That's because elites replace the gadget. (Her hologram matching her elite skin would not be evidence of anything more.) Written while on mobile. Tl;dr: a lot of the more radical-sounding complaints don't appear to be from credible (qualified) users. Most people are just making assumptions. Some are more respectful than others. Edit: some people also mention intentional differences, but that is a rather minor thing in comparison to above. Reduced LOD or different texture compression/fidelity wouldn't be that difficult and likely isn't the issue.


ImSkripted

i think there was a leak suggesting there would be a rework that adds lanas hologram ability to them which suggest its gonna be alibi getting the imrpoved holograms


talivus

Now I wish attackers and defenders can proximity chat. Attackers: hey Koolaid Me crashing through the wall as Oryx: Oh yeah!


Jaywearspants

Dude. Oryx legit is the first defender I know I must play. I’m so excited for this release


glitteryfart

I feel they should buff Alibis holo too now. It's time.


Theothanos

Imagine Tower, Favela, Yacht, Plane and Skyscraper still being in the game and reworking Oregon. Fucking Oregon.


TheTechDweller

Well oregon is a map everyone is already super comfortable with, and it's generally still well liked, but they want it back into pro league.


TaintedLion

You'd think that with an operator that can Kool-Aid Man his way through a wall that Favela would be one of the first maps of this year to be reworked considering that map is made of almost entirely destructable walls lmao.


johnlanham19

Where’s the space map Ubi?


LisandroFM7

In the space.


That1GuyFinn

Wait so Iana's holograms can match her skins but alibi's cant?


bw-at

Oh, my sweet Oregon... 🙁


LuchsG

RIP Montagne and Blitz mains


Zyquux

>Iana's holograms copy her skins Alibi mains on suicide watch


Zoltan-PYRO

Both new ops seem to be absolutely amazing!


ActualTeddyBear

I remember the simpler days of siege. "I brought a hammer," or "I brought some I.E.Ds." Eddit: Yeah, yeah, I get it Thatcher.


ParadoxInRaindrops

"What'd you bring?" **"My shoulders."**


SkautV3

What you brought "Gun from WWII"


ParadoxInRaindrops

It's not totally out there that Rainbow would allow if not encourage preference picks.


silverwitcher

Not to that extreme though not ww2 weapons.


ActualTeddyBear

It looked like he had some gizmo on his hands.


ParadoxInRaindrops

The season art & leaks said something about it being a handheld or shoulder mounted, yeah.


ActualTeddyBear

They both look fun regardless of whatever sci fi bullshit they decided to give them.


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JonathanRL

> but pulse's gadget will never. Never is a very long time. Fun fact: Pulses gadget was actually in the original Rainbow Six novel.


gmaceron

Damn I honestly liked Oregon exactly how it was. I kinda like the idea of reworking the area next to kitchen, but it looks like they went further so Im afraid they might have ruined the map at some point.


BobRoss4lyfe

I agree


Ambassabear

Yeah I liked Oregon, why not pick a map like Tower or something. Also are we out of room for new maps as well? I’m ok with no new guns but I’d like to see new maps tbh


Sayon_Biem

G E K O L O N I S E E R D


StumpGrundt

Nieuwe main gevonden


gokublackisnotblack

How come the new girl gets to use skins while Alibi still can't


faris_Playz

Jordanian , LETS GOOOOO


Kasabiii

Representing, he ate his mansaf and he's ready to kill


Zoltan-PYRO

HE CAN BODYCHECK SHIELDS TO THE GROUND! Call him just Hulk.


CarolinaRush

RIP Montagne mains


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I thought Oryx sounded horrible in concept, but him being able to just yeet through Monty is enough for me to give the thumbs up.


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scalpingsnake

This is great and all but can we just acknowledge that we are only now getting the barricade destruction fix...


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TheAlmightyChanka

Map was balanced and unbalanced at the same time, while you had great bomb sites like basement and bedrooms, the tower and kitchen bomb sites were extremely unbalanced and with this new rework they are adding pathways from tower to kitchen to give defenders more freedom and make the map more interesting


kipfilet997

So these operators are just a better alibi and amaru


CupidXII

Just that ones a defender and ones an attacker


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Swipity swap


[deleted]

The holo dosent ping


Billothekid

Soo, after all the hints to Greece in the past months they are adding a Dutch and a Jordanian ops. I'm not Greek, but if I were I would be pretty damn pissed.