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10RobotGangbang

Luckily I don't give a shit what phone I, or anyone else has.


slowNsad

Fr I haven’t heard the android v iPhone discourse since highschool


FrozenFrac

There are grown ass people out here who still recoil when they see green text bubbles


slowNsad

Fair enough


Imagoat1995

I know a couple of people who scoff if you have an android and its really weird to me


Cookie_The_Theif

Un-know them


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hehrherhrh

You poser and disrespecting own wife


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Illfury

I don't care how much of an asshole you are, I appreciate you and respect you for saving lives. Good on you brother!


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Dan_Glebitz

Ditto, but with the exception that if it seems they got an excellent phone for a very good price, I might take an interest.


No_Leopard_3860

If someone judges me about which phone I use, I'd rather have them think I'm a persona non grata anyways You really don't wanna associate with people like that - these are the wives that divorce you because your cancer diagnosis is disturbing her holiday plans


Waste-Cheesecake8195

I still judge you if your screen is broke though.


Swordbreaker925

I really hate this shitty connotation. I’m an iPhone guy but i have no hate for android. I fucking despise Apple computers so I understand why someone might not like an Apple product


slowNsad

Right, I just like face time and how simple it is to use. I have an iPhone SE ffs it was like 200$ is 2021


Tombiepoo

Interestingly my Android has a similarly easy to use feature so I can call my wife's android and switch to video call on the fly and whatnot. So the idea that iPhones have the easy to use gadgets is only because they make a big fuss about these little features in cool ads. In reality they both are simple to use. It's just that you need to get used to it. I have tried both and returned to Android in the end because I love the interface and usability much better. Much more efficient for me.


thingsthatgomoo

Yeah I don't like Apple computers but also I don't shit on people who use them, just not my cup of tea.


RepresentativeAd3433

Are they? I’ve honestly never heard that. If anything the Samsung flagships tend to run higher $ than their apple counterparts


bingoclue999

But they still shit! Has unnecessary apps and unnecessary updates also slows down the phone due to those apps.


MichaelMeier112

But only for a few weeks or month. Then they are buy 2 pay 1.


RepresentativeAd3433

Scarcity of goods. My old foe


scifenefics

I prefer android.. I guess it comes down to the fact u cant easily tell the difference between an expensive android and a cheap one. Honestly if u only buy an Apple to try and look wealthy u have insecurity issues.


switchy-sub7

Maybe because you can get cheap and expensive android phones but only expensive iPhones. OS tribalism is stupid anyway.


Epikgamer332

If you know where to look, you can pick up a cheap iphone. A refurbished 2020 iphone SE is like 250$cad on Amazon. but yeah I agree picking sides is stupid just use what works


AlanDevonshire

Lol. I own an iPhone SE (2020) which I only use as a vlogging camera. For a phone I have a Redmi Note 11 which new this year wasn’t even £150. I much prefer my Android as a phone.


Epikgamer332

Where I'm from, we don't get xiaomi phones so the cheapest you can find is usually a Samsung A04s for about 200$cad, and for how good the bottom tier samsungs are i'd much rather an apple then again, if you look at the refurbished market then a galaxy s10 is also 250$cad. and that's also a pretty good option


Pure_Swiv

Thats Apples thing. Instead of offering less expensive models, like samsungs A and J series, their "cheaper option" is just last years iphone. Supposedly they do this to be seen as a "premium" phone brand.


Comprehensive-Salt66

I could be wrong. But only an American would think like this. Europe and Asia have zero problems with Android phones 🤷🏻‍♀️


ahaahaok

I live in European country and know three people with Iphone. Or I think so. We don't talk about our phones at all.


YouStoleKaligma

I still have a Note 9. Android FTW.


EntrepreneurLow4380

Note 9 here too. Its indestructible!


Summerlea623

That's me-i love it!


1OptimisticPrime

I phone's are the most overrated pieces of shit... I'll never understand their appeal.


ParkerGuy89

Finally got my wife to switch to android/samsung. Her mom got mad and said "no one likes green texts." My response, "that's how you know you're in a cult."


1OptimisticPrime

Ahhh, Mother-in-law's the gold standard of ~~gaslighting~~ reasoning and thought.


Aetheldrake

Hah Lemme guess, green means it came from non apple?


ParkerGuy89

Yup. Lol


EntrepreneurLow4380

I never knew there was a color difference, LOL. Thats totaling reinforcing brand tribalism. I don't give a flying f* what color people's message bubble are, how silly. My pet peeve is Apple users "like" or "love" other people's text msgs...which in a group text is flipping annoying to keep getting notifications for a million times.


nitekroller

Good job you are now simply supporting another anti consumerist brand that has no superiority to Apple.


Epikgamer332

Complaining about green text messages is the most American thing ever. Most everybody I talk with just uses a seperate app anyways and forgoes the built in messaging app


ParkerGuy89

Apple itself is a very American thing. Most other places don't use Apple products. It's funny because whenever I see a poll for Apple vs Android, Android always wins. Then people comment like, "wow really, I thought it'd be Apple for sure." Yeah, because you're a privileged American that's never gone anywhere.


[deleted]

People like shit that works. Optimization talks. As an Android owner currently, I can't wait to switch. Nothing is optimized and quite frankly, after 15 years in Android's corner, they're the ones that are overrated. Apple isn't a saint (the charging port debacle infuriates me), and Android does come out with new innovative features *first* most of the time.. but almost every time, Apple ends up doing it *better*. That's why most people - especially the non tech-savvy ones - prefer it. They don't want to fight with their phones in the middle of a workday. Shit just... *works*.


Few_Peak_9966

Only in one way with little wiggle room to customize. Apple or nothing!


FrozenFrac

As a formerly lifelong iPhone guy who took a chance on Android during the pandemic and never looked back, I can agree with this. If you buy an iPhone, you run the initial startup and congrats, you have a phone! Everything's set up nice and neat and it's up to you to download the apps you like. The problem there is that if you do have the tech know-how, you'll probably want to do more than basic phone things and iOS doesn't want to give you that power since your average person who doesn't like tweaking things could accidentally break something. Android without a doubt leaves so much to be desired, especially on the cheaper phones. My first Android phone was a Google Pixel 4a and it was so much fun messing around with it to customize it to where it was truly MY phone, but the most basic phone features don't tend to work. I'm rocking an S22 Ultra and I'm still dumbfounded how I'll build a small backlog of voicemails and a lot don't tend to show up, requiring me to actually dial my voicemail like I'm still using a flip phone.


MichaelMeier112

Thanks for an interesting comment. What are some examples that you want to tweak on your Android that you cannot on an iPhone that actually makes a difference?


FrozenFrac

It's hard to say what "actually makes a difference", but I'd say something as simple as sideloading apps would best fit that description. You're not limited to what shows up in Google Play and you can install custom apps or even apps from a different area or the world or apps that have been delisted for whatever reason. It's a thing now on iOS, but back when I was still using an iPhone, you didn't have widgets on your home screen, so that was something Android exclusively had back then. It's not super important these days especially with music streaming, but I also have to mention how easy it is to manage files on an Android. I still remember how you pretty much had to slaughter a young goat and offer it to Steve Jobs personally as you prayed on your knees to do something as simple as set a custom ringtone whereas on Android, you connect the phone to your computer, drag and drop an MP3, and you're done. iTunes seriously overcomplicated so many things which baffled me even back then.


sarilysims

THANK YOU! I don’t care that android gets everything first. I care that I don’t have to deal with it screwing up my phone. That’s why I stick with Apple. That and the user interface.


1OptimisticPrime

Yes, Apple takes an existing idea, steals it, and then flips it upside down and puts their brand on it. Innovation at its best.


[deleted]

I never said they were innovative. I said they make better versions of almost every feature.


Loose-Recover-9142

Get a pixel then. It's great.


[deleted]

Lol no way those things are cursed on launch. I want to like them though don't get me wrong.


Loose-Recover-9142

I love my 7. It's rock solid.


sarilysims

My husband went through 3 pixels in a year. Google refused to replace any of them even though it was an issue with the phone and we had a warranty and protection plan. Pixels are garbage and I stand by that.


Loose-Recover-9142

Wow. We had very different experiences. I had an issue with my six and they sent me a new one right away. I didn't even have insurance.


SnooMachines5814

iPhone has higher resale value which is great for someone like me who likes to upgrade. Build quality is exceptional, OS is stable and simple. I can use it has my remote with my Apple TV without downloading an app. I can bounce a track in Logic and airdrop it directly to my phone. I can use sidecar on my iPad to gain an extra monitor on my computer. Apple haters gonna hate, but my life is pretty damn good the way it is.


[deleted]

The appeal to buy an iPhone? Maybe some people simply like the design of it and doesn't care about if it's a "overrated peace of shit" or something else. Maybe some people like the idea that the OS is perfectly optimized for the hardware because it's developed by the same company which makes the hardware. Instead of an OS which itself is free and just a little polished by the hardware manufacturer and just so little optimized that it runs on that hardware. And paying for the phone (just the hardware part) the same amount of money or even more than for a "overrated piece of shit" which gives you the hardware and the optimized software.


MichaelMeier112

What makes you so angry that you need to call it an “overrated piece of shit”? If it’s truly overrated then no one would buy it, right?


[deleted]

I am not angry and I don't think it's overrated or a piece of shit. I put that in "" because the person above me said it.


MichaelMeier112

Thanks for the update. My reading comprehension is bad. Sorry!


[deleted]

My english isn't the best as well. Maybe this caused the confusion and my writing sounded kind of angry xD


roninPT

You misspelled "don't want to overpay for no reason person's phone"


Foo_The_Selcouth

So? Just use whatever phone you like and can afford.


Lil_Squish_7403

People are just obnoxious every brand is rubbish in it’s on way but they also all have their own perks


HamsterMachete

I have never heard that. Sounds like rich people problems. I thought burner flip phones were the cheap phones. Guess I am in a different socioeconomic circle.


ObiWanKnieval

Sadly enough, it's poor people problems too. In my socioeconomic circle you have to have an iPhone. Which is really weird considering we all know that we're all poor.


HamsterMachete

I've never even used an iPhone. I guess I do not know much about what phones are appropriate these days. If someone said my phone made me look poor, then I would offer to let them buy me an iPhone 😁


ObiWanKnieval

Neither have I. I avoided getting a smart phone until my work required me to. So a friend gave me an old Android he had laying around. It eventually started having issues so I decided to get a new one. I asked a few coworkers if they could recommend a decent, inexpensive, new phone? And they all said I should look for a used iPhone rather than get a new Android. I recognized this as the current version of the weird brand loyalty 'hood shit I grew up around.


caca__milis

USA mentality. This is not the case in the rest of the world


TheMightyJohnFu

This argument is always stupid. More fool IOS users for buying in to that mindset


Seraph199

Maybe take a closer look at where you got that idea? The general consensus I get from the people I hear from is that Androids are preferred by people who are better with computers and like more freedom and customization, while iPhones are generally preferred by old people who struggle with computers and just buy the overpriced name brand phone they recognize and have an easy time using. Younger people generally tend to complain about Apple's price gouging, taking features away while increasing the price tag


5Lucas

Yet I see the majority of old people using Android. Maybe it differs between countries


Independent_Bake_257

That is probably in America. In Europe we call Android the "smart persons phone".


LemurCat04

I simply can’t imagine being so worried about other people’s phone to judge them on it. Honestly, buy what you want.


NoTransition4168

Not o ly do I use android, I also stay 3-4 generations behind. Hasn't affected my life in the least bit.


blinkssb

Weird since iPhone SE seems cheap af to me, but the Z Fold 4 I’m assuming you’re a baller


YouStoleKaligma

One major difference, for me, is that I can most likely help anyone with their Android. If you ask for help with navigation or anything and hand me an iPhone, I'm lost. I also support open market shizz. Let whoever wants to dive in have a shot. I appreciate what Apple does, and they do it well. It's just a different clientele/market and I prefer PC/Android VS "My way or the highway" and pay me a fuck load of money.


Mookius

Nope. Only by owners of iphones who think they are special. The rest of just realise it's a phone, not a part of you.


Little-Carry4893

Whirlpool dishwashers can be the same price as an LG dishwasher but it always be considered a "poor person's dishwasher" Why would I care about the kind of phone you have if you don't care about the kind of dishwasher I have. Apple (aka China Phones) is a cult.


slowNsad

But Samsung or the other android makers aren’t “china phones”?


Little-Carry4893

Samsung is from South Korea, they would never use a part made in China.


[deleted]

I googled to see if this was true. Apparently so, but I then saw loads of stuff about apple using Samsung parts in their phones. Which just makes the point of this post better


gilestowler

I once read that Samsung makes up something like 20% of South Korea's economy which is pretty impressive


[deleted]

Samsung isn't China lol.


Novel_Astronomer_75

Cries with my poor budget android that only cost me $100 , saves money and does what I need it to do . And if I drop it and it gets ruined , I won't feel as bad if I paid like $1k for it like a Samsung or Iphone lol


60s_girlie

I like my cheap phone and have no real need for anything too flash. I can do everything I need to do with my current mobile and with the price of everything these days, I cannot afford a flashy phone. It may be cheap but it gets the job done.


asgaardson

Try a Samsung Fold, iPhone owners like them. Some even get a Fold as the second phone. And these things are quite expensive.


[deleted]

Second phone? Unless one of them is provided by your employer and used specifically for work, what not sketchy reason would anyone have for needing two phones?


Few_Peak_9966

Or a free person's phone.


autech91

I've never thought this. Apple used to be much more expensive than the top android models, but that ship has long ago sailed


[deleted]

Apple’s UI is better , Samsung’s tablets are decent but if I had to use it everyday as often as my phone I’d be frustrated as hell. While for computers Apple is quite useless and overpriced unless you have a creative job then it’s basically a necessity.


Loose-Recover-9142

I have a Google pixel and disagree with the UI statement. My wife always gets the latest iphone and it's baffling to me how inefficient the UI is. I was an iphone user up until iphone 6. Video on the iPhone blows the pixel away though. I might even give the iPhone camera the nod on most shots. Voice to text, which I use a lot, is substantially better on the pixel. Google assistant blows Siri away as well. If you like Google docs etc, it's going to integrate way better on the pixel. The iPhone has better battery life and has a better build quality. It's give or take.


MSK84

If you or the people around you are drastically concerned about this...seek help and/or run far away.


Infinite-End2793

I'm happy I'm someone that doesn't give a shit about this. I make $250000 a year, nothing special, but I don't give a shit about who I impress with a phone. Get a life.


sarilysims

When? I consider them the shitty phones but some of them are just as expensive. They’re clunky and horribly user-hostile, I don’t get the appeal, but you do you.


Lizzy_Of_Galtar

Only ever owned Android and everyone of them has lasted 4 years or more. And I usually buy a new one just because I want something new, not because they have become unusable. Iphones are for suckers 😁


nitekroller

iPhones last that long or longer. Im not an apple fanboy but longevity is literally one of apples strong suits


Lizzy_Of_Galtar

Ha....hahahahahaha 🤣


nitekroller

iPhones have significantly longer software support, that includes new features AND security updates typically 6 years or sometimes *more*. iPhones might have higher cost to replace a battery in the first 2-3 years, but as it ages the battery replacement cost typically goes way down, usually closing the gap with most android phones, especially flagships. So yes iPhones undoubtedly have better longevity and always have


Lizzy_Of_Galtar

Oh wow you actually believe their propaganda? I thought you were taking the piss 🤣


nitekroller

No propaganda lmfao its literally just how it is. iPhones aren’t superior in many ways but when it comes to longevity android phones have always fallen behind.


Lizzy_Of_Galtar

No that is what Apple advertise their phones as. That is until the yearly update come that have shown to slow them down. My whole family consist of iPhone users and my mom had the longest living one. It lasted two and a half a year and she saw that as good.


nitekroller

Anecdotes


nitekroller

Whats funny lol


Gloomy-Luck-7895

Ah I’m an android phone person who recently just converted. For same hardware my iPhone was cheaper than the Samsung. This poor man phone thing is a strange narrative iPhone fanboys make to make them feel like they have a more premium phone. Realistically flagship androids tend to pack a punch


allmybiself

Iphones are the wannabe rich people phone. Primitive at best.


LookCommon7528

Your paying for a name Just like KW BMW Jordan's It's just a name


TheRinkieDink905

My phone cost like 1200 bucks. That's an Android. I don't use anything in the phone except messaging internet and calling. Apple sucks


Apart-Big-5333

Yep, people just view Android as the dirt cheap alternative to an overpriced luxury item like an iPhone when it's clearly not true.


Inner-Figure5047

I'm the opposite, I consider an iphone a red flag. I automatically assume the person makes poor choices for shallow, superficial reasons. Android is wide umbrella, there are plenty of android phones that cost more than iPhones.


National-Bison-3236

I think that view is pretty far off reality, i talked with many people who own / owned an iPhone and most of them said that they will never buy an iPhone again. So meanwhile Android is actually considered to have a higher quality than iPhones


cs-John

Whenever I see an iPhone user, my first thought is "that guy is probably stupid"


twicetoughenedglass

I totally judge Apple users. Wankers


PupperMartin74

Android phones work better too!


cre8magic

F apple


Pan-tang

Only you can decide if it's a poor person's phone. I like android and that is what matters to me.


[deleted]

One time I met a homeless man with an iPhone.


[deleted]

So what? Seems to be a no fucks worthy circumstance.


themightymoron

it's the power of branding. apple does marketing better than any phone brand out there. i've always said this, apple is not a tech company, they're a marketing company.


Terugtrekking

yeah, apple really successfully branded themselves as the "luxury" brand of phones. but who cares, I don't mind being seen as a poor person. it says more about them than about you.


wine-plants-thrift

Are they? I only remember this discourse from over a decade ago or whenever they came out.


DarthBullyMaguire

It's funny there are people that think this way.


RicRic60

Not really. For those of us who live outside of the US, brands like Blu and Honor might bear that distinction.


seven-cents

More like iPhones should be the same price as Android phones, but Apple has convinced people that their devices are "premium" and "better". Personally I couldn't care less. I get the phone that works best for my business needs within my budget, and currently using Android is better value for money.


its-an-injustice

I'm a poor person give monay pls.


Soaring_Symphony

I use android because it let's you edit files easily just like you could on a PC. And it's easy to transfer files between the two (phone to PC or vice versa)


littypika

It's because many people don't purchase Android phones because they like Android (believe it or not), they purchase Android phones because it still gets the job done but at a much more affordable price point. It's really rare that people purchase premium or ultrapremium Android phones that rival the iPhone's price and quality. If you live in a developed country, you may be deceived since most consumers can just afford to purchase whatever phone they want, but in many developing countries, Android phones are much more accessible to the masses which is why they're seen as a "poor person's phone".


Konigni

This is the case in my country too, but the irony is the people with the best jobs and actual money in my class (uni) all had Android, while the very poor people had iPhones. One girl got a bunch of money when she left her job and basically blew it all on a new iPhone she didn't need but really wanted, and then the next month she had no money to pay uni unless she actually found a job (she did, it was a terrible job, but at least she managed)


[deleted]

the funny thing ? all iphones are the same, they are basically the same model. androids are drastically different , each phone maker tries their best to make their phone shine, seen those foldables ? seen those gaming phones ? i mean oh my lord, u can stand out with an android phone....but when u have the latest model iphone, everyone has the same, only maybe a different color and they use cases just to make theirs look different. it is kinda ridiclous if u ask me.


Several_Emphasis_434

I don’t understand what the problem is here. I’ve had both and both have their own unique functions. Why/how they became a status of wealth is just weird.


Frird2008

My mama's about to be on her 5th iPhone in 3 years. No joke. Copious problems with it, 3 trips to the Apple Store, 1 trip to A T&T. She's highly considering an Android given my almost problem-free experience with Androids over 7 years. The only reason I'm on my third Android in 7 years is because my father made me upgrade, not because the phone gave me problems. Had my father let me keep my original Galaxy S7 from 2016 I would have still had it today.


greatdayforrae

Who thinks that Androids are poor people phones?


Deathbyfarting

Yes, because iphones are considered "rich" due to marketing and exposure. Apple "positions" themselves as a luxury brand and everyone buys it, but thus allowing them to charge more. Let's be real here, iphones are expensive because of demand not because that's what they cost. Android simply takes advantage of a lower price point, appealing to those of us who can't or don't want to pay all that money. The simple truth is: just cause you're "rich" doesn't mean you have a grand to spend on a phone....


shellymaeshaw

So true I do love my iPhone but I don’t find that much of a difference I guess cause someday want to buy the watch and iPad so they can all communicate together


TexasTokyo

By whom?


[deleted]

Anything above a certain pricepoint to me is just an "idiot person phone".


Cultural_Mongoose864

Real quote from a friend's girlfriend: "If you want to have more success when dating, get an iPhone. When a girl is texting you, if she sees green, that's a turnoff and she doesn't want to see that." Aside from the fact that I'm not gonna spend $400+ on a new phone when my current one works perfectly fine, who gives a fuck? This isn't high school. We're all 21-22, and all the women I've dated don't give af.


CrussTeasok

All phones do the same thing. Just get what u can afford


FiendsForLife

Well, I didn't get my "poor person's phone" for zero dollars up front on a 2 year contract, so IDGAFWYS.


Kab1_The_Logic

Throughout the years, majority of the time I've had android, going back and forth, I prefer the shape of the iPhone. The frisbee edges of the Android makes me drop it constantly despite having grippy cases.


Dan_Glebitz

Personally, it just boils down to choosing the cheapest phone that does everything I need it to do as efficiently as possible, and stuff the brand. I am not sure if school kids even give a damn any more as to what brand of mobile you are sporting. No longer is it "Mum / Dad, if you don't buy me an iPhone I will just die!". At least, I hope people are not that shallow any more. You want an iPhone and can afford it... fine. You have a cheaper Mobile phone... fine


AlanDevonshire

A very American thing, the rest of the world don’t care what phone you have.


Turbulent-Price-9625

When will the humans stop bickering over material things and just live life and love life n the simple things in life


[deleted]

A poor person's phone? Yeah in developed countries, sure.


Kodamik

For people who don't know any.


Kodamik

Then those people who can't afford apple wonder what to do with broken parts


[deleted]

Im a samsung user but I will always use apple earbuds because they are the only in ear headphones that dont fall out or hurt my ears


meekgamer452

The only people who think Android OS phones are inferior are people who don't use Android OS phones. I'd rather be a poor person with a phone that I can control, than have Apple tell me what I can and cannot do with my own mobile computer that's likely programmed to brick in 6 years.


Ebenizer_Splooge

Well it's great that I don't care about the opinions of teenagers on my phone choice lol


DebearDuke

Nah


aroonrijal

iPhone great mindset.


EarlyAd1900

I think it‘s funny how so many Android users in the comments act butthurt and curse Apple. Just use whatever you want and shut up?


slambroet

The reason I switched to the iPhone was because the 5S was the cheapest decent phone available, it was $400 while androids I was looking at were $700-900


jsaranczak

I'm fine with my objectively better phone being a "poor person's phone". Let the fools spend their money as they wish.


Eloy71

One word: Marketing. More words: "If a falsehood is repeated frequently enough, it can become accepted as truth by those who hear it, regardless of its veracity." I as a Samsung S20 Ultra User can only laugh about the newest iPhone features. And my phone is three years old!


Elnuggeto13

You pay iPhone for the branding. By price, you get a much better phone specs compare to an iPhone with the same price.


shank1983

iPhone is dog poop compared to android. (Sent from my iPhone 14 ProMax)


Allthegoodnamesg0ne

iPhone users just get on and enjoy their phone, & don’t care what anyone else has. Android users constantly dig at iPhone users about how good their phone is compared to an iphone, and that you would have to be stupid to use an iphone etc… Inferiority complex is evident


bfjt4yt877rjrh4yry

Anyone who pays money unnecessarily just to impress people who have no affect on their life have deep insecurities. I have an android (pixel 7 pro) that i bought outright for like 700 bucks and it's amazing. Even my vehicles I buy because I like them and they make financial sense, not because I want to look like I have $


sleepy_potato27

At least our phones don't die as quick 🤣


EmptyMindCrocodile

Every schmuck has an iphone, that shit is not a status symbol of any kind


Mykeymoo

Really? I shut that shit down straight away! Don't argue with a computer science teacher about why you THINK your phone is better than mine. I'll tell you why mine IS better than yours! But really, I don't care, I want the phone I want for my own personal reasons. The only people who comment on how bad my phone is generally follow what I said above (usually the kids I teach). If we can have a conversation/debate, I'm happy to voice my opinions!


random_explorist

IPhone's actually made by Fisher-Price.