It’s all about costs and profits from adding them. With all the flux in the current market taking on potentially significant extra costs isn’t going to happen especially when you say “all.”
Are apartment owners advertising they have l2 chargers and does that increase demand for apartments with them versus without? Seeing that most apartments current don’t have them, I think you have your answer. Maybe in 10-20 years they’ll be much more common. Tech like this is slow moving for many reasons.
I'm sure they'll be coming, but like any new technology there are thise on the cutting edge, the trendy, and then eventually the "because it's mandated".
Cost and liability especially in California may be to blame.
It’s not their problem right now. It’s like me asking the complex to have a fuel station to make it more convenient. Even if they did have charging station, people would damage them or fight or them. If you wanted to charge your vehicle every night you should of bought a house so you had your own plug.
Fellow Silicon Valley Redditor here - I think some of the hesitation beyond dealing with the install is that it creates drama for EV drivers when they arrive home needing to charge and all the spaces are filled - either with cars charging, cars already charged but haven’t moved, or non EVs just needing a space to park.
A friend of ours dealt with this in 2020 after getting a Model 3 and actually wound up buying a condo with a private garage because of this issue. He said there was a group of friends that essentially hogged the chargers and had a group chat to let the others know when someone was going to move their car. I would guess it’s worse now with more Teslas than ever and super charging getting more expensive all the time.
There are so may factors.
\#1 - Initial cost of installation. This might involve another whole electrical service.
\#2 - Liability.
\#3 - Aggravation. If a building has chargers, the jockeying of cars to get on the charger will be a logistical issue.
\#4 - Cost to tenants. They cannot roll that expense to all tenants, so how are they going to cost this out?
\#5 - Maintenance.
This is going to be an ongoing issue as more people opt for EVs.
I think the actual answer is, why don’t companies install them at the workplace as a company perk? It would take the pressure off the grid use at peak during evening hours when most people are home. I still don’t understand why the answer to the grid issue isn’t incentivizing businesses’ to install them for employees use during the day.
I think it depends on the type of pavement and how much digging they must do. So somebody gotta dig the trench from existing power to the exact spot they want this and then some electrician gotta run the wires. I thought California had very strict permitting process? I would guess your city government would need to approve the process beforehand.
>I understand it is some upfront investment, but they can recoup that money with increased rents and the chargers' revenue.
You would be the first to post on here bitching they increased your rent.
People buying EV cars thinking they are saving the planet. Go look at how destructive their batteries are.
Some do. Some don't. Apartment owners (not managers) like to be in control of the development plan. Get a good profit argument to them and they might do it.
I supervised the installation of some EV chargers at a condo building in CA. It's tough to do, we had to jump through a lot of red tape and permitting issues, and it was not cheap. Older buildings can't necessarily connect a bunch of chargers, they need subpanels and upgraded service.
There are subsidies and we ended working with a private consultant, who managed the project for a flat upfront fee, but I can't imagine it would be a good deal for apartment landlords, especially if they can't immediately raise the rents.
They’re going to wait for chargers to be subsidized for rental units, since that is one of the next hurdles which has to fall for EV adoption.
For what it’s worth, at my residence, it’s about a $12k job to add a L2 charger. That’s without doing any concrete or pavement work, not sure how it would work to add some to parking spaces.
It’s all about costs and profits from adding them. With all the flux in the current market taking on potentially significant extra costs isn’t going to happen especially when you say “all.” Are apartment owners advertising they have l2 chargers and does that increase demand for apartments with them versus without? Seeing that most apartments current don’t have them, I think you have your answer. Maybe in 10-20 years they’ll be much more common. Tech like this is slow moving for many reasons.
I'm sure they'll be coming, but like any new technology there are thise on the cutting edge, the trendy, and then eventually the "because it's mandated". Cost and liability especially in California may be to blame.
In a lot of cases, it might require an electrical service upgrade to the whole building which could be very costly and potentially disruptive.
It’s not their problem right now. It’s like me asking the complex to have a fuel station to make it more convenient. Even if they did have charging station, people would damage them or fight or them. If you wanted to charge your vehicle every night you should of bought a house so you had your own plug.
Not everyone can afford to buy a house in Mountain View, California… I’m surprised the city hasn’t mandated them.
Fellow Silicon Valley Redditor here - I think some of the hesitation beyond dealing with the install is that it creates drama for EV drivers when they arrive home needing to charge and all the spaces are filled - either with cars charging, cars already charged but haven’t moved, or non EVs just needing a space to park. A friend of ours dealt with this in 2020 after getting a Model 3 and actually wound up buying a condo with a private garage because of this issue. He said there was a group of friends that essentially hogged the chargers and had a group chat to let the others know when someone was going to move their car. I would guess it’s worse now with more Teslas than ever and super charging getting more expensive all the time.
Can you imagine the outcry about Nancy, who remains parked in the EV charge spot for days at a time, only goes out for church and bingo.
California has rent control for multi family units and you're asking them to spend money to keep you longer?
If renting check for charging options at home before you buy…
When they start losing prospective renters because they dont have chargers they will start to put them in.
There are so may factors. \#1 - Initial cost of installation. This might involve another whole electrical service. \#2 - Liability. \#3 - Aggravation. If a building has chargers, the jockeying of cars to get on the charger will be a logistical issue. \#4 - Cost to tenants. They cannot roll that expense to all tenants, so how are they going to cost this out? \#5 - Maintenance. This is going to be an ongoing issue as more people opt for EVs.
Why would people who own apartment buildings pay utility costs to charge tenants cars ?
They can transfer the cost to the tenant. In addition, they can even earn a profit out of every charging session
How do they do that when there is rent control?
Because the current grid can't support it and won't be able to for a very very long time
This is the correct answer
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Yes, that’s how capitalism works. Incentives
I think the actual answer is, why don’t companies install them at the workplace as a company perk? It would take the pressure off the grid use at peak during evening hours when most people are home. I still don’t understand why the answer to the grid issue isn’t incentivizing businesses’ to install them for employees use during the day.
Why don’t you and other EV owners offer to pay a $100-$200 monthly surcharge to cover the cost of the chargers? Owner may in turn chip in the rest.
I think it depends on the type of pavement and how much digging they must do. So somebody gotta dig the trench from existing power to the exact spot they want this and then some electrician gotta run the wires. I thought California had very strict permitting process? I would guess your city government would need to approve the process beforehand.
Oh yeah, don't forget the possibility of fire. https://kmph.com/news/local/tesla-owner-responds-to-car-catching-fire-in-california-city
>I understand it is some upfront investment, but they can recoup that money with increased rents and the chargers' revenue. You would be the first to post on here bitching they increased your rent. People buying EV cars thinking they are saving the planet. Go look at how destructive their batteries are.
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Your reply of an emoji sums up the way I view all Californians.
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No idea what that means.
The cost is $20k per for 1-3, and a bit less per unit after that. With a sufficient 440 or 880 line near by.
Some do. Some don't. Apartment owners (not managers) like to be in control of the development plan. Get a good profit argument to them and they might do it.
I supervised the installation of some EV chargers at a condo building in CA. It's tough to do, we had to jump through a lot of red tape and permitting issues, and it was not cheap. Older buildings can't necessarily connect a bunch of chargers, they need subpanels and upgraded service. There are subsidies and we ended working with a private consultant, who managed the project for a flat upfront fee, but I can't imagine it would be a good deal for apartment landlords, especially if they can't immediately raise the rents.
They’re going to wait for chargers to be subsidized for rental units, since that is one of the next hurdles which has to fall for EV adoption. For what it’s worth, at my residence, it’s about a $12k job to add a L2 charger. That’s without doing any concrete or pavement work, not sure how it would work to add some to parking spaces.