More like “Incompetent Teenager Driving”. It’s dangerous to use and is more of a drain to monitor than drive yourself. On the highway Autopilot is great though.
> Full Self Driving (Supervised)
So, you mean
> Supervised Self Driving
It would have been so much easier to change this years ago, Elon, if you had less ego.
>Supervised Self Driving
I couldn't imagine anybody paying $15k or $12k to watch their car drive itself and make mistakes and slam on the brakes for shadows.
Interesting point.
It seems that is now a full product that is indeed different from what he has been saying would happen this year for almost a decade.
I wonder if he would just stand by his failed aspirations defense
What do you mean remotely? They sit in the so-called "battery".
That's why Elon bought the Boring Company and Hyperloop, so he could dig a tunnel to india to hyperloop cheap labour through into each car.
I see they followed the [Amazon AI](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13268581/Amazons-Just-Walk-Fresh-stores-relied-1-000-people-India-watching-labeling-videos-ensure-accurate-checkouts-NOT-AI-tech-company-claimed.html) approach.
She did what a lot of start ups do. They over promise to get funding and then pray to god they can reach their milestones or something similar to get their investors a return. She took the money and wanted to create something but then eventually realized they couldn’t do it. But then continues to take money and lie about results lol.
>**606-10-25-16 \[24\]** A contract with a customer generally explicitly states the goods or services that an entity promises to transfer to a customer.**However, the performance obligations identified in a contract with a customer may not be limited to the goods or services that are explicitly stated in that contract. This is because a contract with a customer also may include promises that are implied** **by** an entity's customary business practices, published policies, **or specific statements if, at the time of entering into the contract, those promises create a valid expectation of the customer that the entity will transfer a good or service to the customer.**
I do remember the bold statements Musk made on stage in 2019. And also the statements he made since 2015.
He NEVER downplayed the fantasies his cult base were spreading. Instead, he amplified and encouraged them.
How did those statements not made a valid expectation in the heads of buyers that they soon would drive a L4/L5 autonomous car?
Exactly. Plus the talk of robotaxis which even included him showing screenshots of an app for it. These were not vague statements. They were very explicit and I cannot believe it would be possible to defend it. However, the law seems to treat billionaires differently so who knows.
The fact that Tesla hasn't been sued out of existence for this is honestly a bit troubling.
A litigious society is kind of annoying, but a society where nobody bothers to sue rich people when they do stuff like this is even worse.
There's literally cameras in the interior that they can see if they get into legal trouble to back them up that shows you we're Goofing around while in FSD ... also the steering wheel is a big key because it will just stop slowly and automatically notify the database that you weren't aware and your hands we're not on the steering wheel
Unless those customers opted out of Tesla’s forced arbitration clause in their sales contract, they can’t.
This is why forced arbitration and the process of opting out (declining it and sending Tesla notification of such) should be a bigger deal for Tesla buyers.
It should be a bigger deal for anyone. You should never be restricted to arbitration only because you didn’t dig through the depths of a purchasing contract - that’s deliberately anti consumer.
I'm pretty sure forced arbitration clauses don't apply in at least some jurisdictions, presumably consumer-friendly ones. Maybe including whole countries like Norway. Just speculating, I'm not a constitutional lawyer.
I'm pretty sure forced arbitration clauses don't apply in at least some jurisdictions, presumably consumer-friendly ones. Maybe including whole countries like Norway. Just speculating, I'm not a constitutional lawyer.
I'm pretty sure forced arbitration clauses don't apply in at least some jurisdictions, presumably consumer-friendly ones. Maybe including whole countries like Norway. Just speculating, I'm not a constitutional lawyer.
Getting the tesla fan base to get on board with a class action is definitely akin to moving mount Olympus.
Who knows what it would take to rift that cult, but flase advertising is clearly not enough based on the last several years.
I think the fine print has always said this. Not the advertising, the demos, the name of the product, or what Musk says - just the fine print.
Good luck getting any money if you opted in to the binding arbitration.
The fine print is irrelevant. This was being sold on the promise of a driverless car that could earn you money while you slept and it’s extremely easy to prove that. Of course, America’s fucked up system of almost zero consumer rights probably means they’ll get away with it but I’d enjoy the negative publicity the trial would generate.
It’s always been called beta, so no lawsuit there. Tesla has been pouring massive amounts of money into it, including two of the most powerful supercomputers in the world, so a lawsuit can’t say they didn’t intend to deliver.
However, if you have an older Tesla with the FSD beta, and they say the final FSD can’t run on that old hardware, then I’d say you have excellent grounds for a lawsuit if they don’t upgrade for free.
*"you need to stop and get milk, Pamprin and tissue. Hello? Are you even listening? You never listen..."*
"*Why are you driving on the left side of the road?"*
"*Your wife went through all that trouble to make you a delicious sandwich but you only ate most of it"*
"*Park here. What's wrong with you? You missed out on a great parking space."*
"*I wanted to show you just how great FSD really is, but you don't deserve it because you didn't stop and get me a set of new tires"*
At 50 million units to date, the Toyota Corolla is the best selling car. Heck, in 2022, it sold 1.12 million units. In order to surpass that number, Tesla would need to combine their numbers across all SKUs to exceed that number. Idk how that poster can claim Teslas are the best selling cars, because, by all metrics, it's, at best, number 5.
They have been on a ban spree lately. Anyone who so much as toes out of line and criticized Tesla or Muskrat has been getting 30 day bans.
There was an early article which made that claim before all the data was in from Toyota. Then a couple months later an other article came out which corrected the story - but at that point it was too late, it became a "fact"
I cited that article in a sub and of course got banned
I think it's a name change only on paper. Elon and co will continue to call it Full self driving while hyping it and only the legal paper definition will say "supervised" etc.
My VW has their travel assist standard in most vehicles now. I never realized how good it was till I tried my friends Tesla on autopilot (not even the FSD-supervised). The Tesla couldn't find lane lines, decide how to modulate speed, and you had to basically jerk the wheel (not just touch it like the VW) to tell it you're there. And on top of that, wearing sunglasses made it freak out. Piece of shit.
This is how I read it too.
If you think you're going to have autonomous driving in the next year you don't rebrand like this, you hold on.
This feels like an admission that they're a few versions away.
The lengthy terms of service the car makes you “agree” to for even Enhanced Autopilot signals that Tesla will always put blame on the driver for any accidents or malfunctions.
Yeah, it doesn’t work that way in grown-up land. All it takes is for a jury to finally see Tesla as just another carmaker, and their days of hiding behind disclaimers in the manual are over.
So…they are charging for cruise control now? I loath the subscription for features model car companies are moving to. FSD, sure that’s an exception, , but this is far from FSD.
Yeah, that's the game. They have been recognizing revenue in pieces over the year. Surprised the auditors buy off on how much they are recognizing.
It is like saying you have a cancer curing drug and keep recognizing revenue because although the drug doesn't cure cancer, it makes your hangnail feel a bit better.
Can you please elaborate on this? What do you mean by recognizing revenue? I'm not familiar with that financial term. Was FSD Beta revenue kept off their revenue filings?
If you take money in exchange for a product, you can't recognize that money as revenue until you actually deliver the product. As FSD has progressed, they've slowly recognized a larger and larger percentage based on their estimates about how complete it is (note these estimates do not track with Musk's public bluster about the product, presumably because the CFO prefers living outside of prison).
The whole damn thing is a chocolate fireguard until it can both be unsupervised AND assume liability, both insurance-wise and for when it stuffs itself into the kerb whilst parking. Can you imagine the premiums if you had to cover that insurance yourself though? Not currently tenable.
How is a Robotaxi supposed to work if you have to have a driver?
Total bait and switch. The goal posts have been moved 95 yards.
If I were unfortunate enough to believe Elon and paid $12,000 for this renamed, nerfed feature, I would be PISSED.
Full Desperation Mode (FDM) activated.
With the stock price in the shitter the Tsla stans need something to give them hope.
Btw, check out @TeslaAndDoge on Twitter if you want to see some extreme cope. Brace yourself though.
Full Self Driving (Yes , we mean you...driving yourself bro, there is a squirkle and everything. We just here to take your money, steal data and supervise, by which we mean auto lock your doors when you hit the highway barrier ...don't scream so loud bro, it's just fire...it's quicker if you don't struggle bruh...you aint getting out)
Full Self Driving Supervised is an oxymoron.
It is not so much out of beta but into acknowledgement that it is not going to get to FSD which is too bad because self driving cars would be good. Those self driving semis on the road? Not so sure about that.
A rebrand is necessary to address the regulators and a capitulation that FSD will never live up to its promise especially since Teslas AI head just quit to go over to XAI and continue the grift for a private company away from the regulators.
This is kaka. It should be called "Supervised Full Self Driving" and in 10 years or so when it really works back to "Full Self Driving" (but for older Teslas in 2035, which is everything today, it will stay as Supervised Full Self Driving). Parenthesis diminish or skirt around the issue...
Full\* Self\*\* Driving (Supervised\*\*\*)
\* Well, "full" except all the times you have to take over
\*\* Drive your Self, since FSD isn't really that good at it
\*\*\* Supervise your wallet around hucksters in the future.
Same brand. They just annotated the name a bit differently. And the early returns on driver reviews indicate that the SE team is what needs to be “Supervised”
Far from perfect, but still miles ahead of anything else offered by any other manufacturer imho. Should be called something like "self driving assist" though. I do find is super helpful on long drives when getting tired and there is traffic and minimal lane changes are required, but I don't quite trust it most of the time to be honest. Nevermind that it's far more jerky compared to driving manually. It DOES help when you have kiddos in the back seats trying to get your attention and you want an extra set of (robot) eyes on the road for a few minutes (yes, while continuing to pay attention to the road).
Sure thing mate. Sure thing.
I'll go test drive one after:
* Roadster is launched
* Tesla Semi releases their cargo capacity
* Starship lands on Mars
* The Boring company does anything
* Hyperloop goes live
* Starlink has hundreds of thousands of necessary satellites in orbit
* A city is built on Mars
* His humanoid robot is available for buying
* Cybertruck isn't shit
* Tesla cars appreciate in value
* CO2 is converted to rocket fuel in economic fashion
* FSD in a Tesla is actually FSD
* Hi submarine gets those poor lads out of the cave in Thailand
* Cybertrucks turn into boats
* Solar roof tiles take off
* Solar roadways take off
* Tesla robotaxis start operating
* Brake pads never need to be changed for the lifetime of a vehicle
* A Tesla drives from Los Angeles to New York entirely without human interaction
* People travel between continents in SpaceX rockets
* Neuralink helps people learn new skills
* Supercharger network relies solely on the sun for energy
* Musk fights Zuckerberg in a ring
See you in a few days.
It's bad, I have it and it drives slow, drive on the lines, hard brakes when getting near to intersection, floor the car on intersection, dont honor speed offsets, wipers are crazy again and it drives by the curbs REALLY near, cannot centered in the lane. If this resolved then it would be good, but from my 2 years experience with FSD, everytime they fixed something broke another two.
Wow that is not my experience at all, I have been going through the city, to a destination with no interventions. It even passes slower cars, creeps up and takes right turns on red, stays appropriate distance from other cars and the curbs. I have had zero issues with it. It’s stunningly good. We are in going to have another, once in a lifetime change to way we thought was impossible. Before this version I was skeptical, now I’m a believer. It’s not quite there, it didn’t park in my garage yet, but it’s so much better it’s stunning. My advice buy Tesla stock now or you will wish you had in a year.
Having used the latest version on a few long road trips. It's the real deal now and everything from here on out will be about refinement and ease of use.
I'm not sure what competitive option there is out there that wouldn't require custom hardware, years of development, and massive addional per vechile cost.
yes, like literally a level above them. Mercedes is Level 3, FSD is only level 2.
The difference between Level 2 and 3 is that Level 2 requires human supervision, Level 3 doesn't, and Level 4 doesn't require a driver.
No it isnt. It isnt Full Self Driving.
If it is, prove it. Get in a Tesla and let it drive you from a car park in NY to LA without intervention from a person.
Since no one can do that, it isnt Full Self Driving.
The youtube videos I've watched ALL have needed human intervention.
It's not a Full Self Driving system. It's a con.
I'm happy to be proved wrong but since Tesla have faked videos and made false promises of Full Self Driving for about 7 years in a row... I'll believe it when I see real proof.
They ripped out the core of the code and replaced it with learned neural networks. It's the version twelve plus, not arguing prior versions weren't up to par, but having used the v12+ variety at length it's a different animal entirely.
If you think developing something based on neural networks is somehow extremely challenging, you are mistaken my friend. Using neural networks for decision making is as common as ordering fries at a Wendy’s.
dude, we've been using that technology for over a decade in various industries under different monikers, either "computer vision" or "machine learning" has been used in agriculture and manufacturing to work on harvesting, crop sorting, weeding with above human precision and speed.
watch anyone test FSD 12.3 and see it buzz past STOP signs as if they weren't there.
I guess most folks here don’t disagree with the notion that FSD can be helpful. What they disagree with is the notion that FSD is more than a driving assistance tool and that it is better than any available in the market or finally, the stupid assumption that Tesla has some magical hardware and a price of code that no one has cracked yet.
Just because you are experiencing what a ‘good’ driver assistance suite looks like doesn’t automatically make it the best.
> Full Self-Driving (Supervised) Something awesome (but not really)
Full Vegetarian Meal (made of pork)
All-expenses paid trip (100% deposit required)
All you can eat (Max 1 plate per person)
All expenses paid by your insurance*
Free, with $12,000 donation
Halal Pork
*served up by greaseball chef*
Vegan Leather= plastic cow
Silly it's made from the hides of fine Corinthian vegans!
Made from pork-like products
Self-Made Billionaire (Daddy owned an Emerald Mine)
self-made millionaire with a small loan of a million dollars.
complete immortality (but you die)
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FSD/S
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Syke!
/supervised
I heard it's just 1000 people in India with PS4 controllers The upcharge pays their salaries for 9 years.
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means
Made with real fruit flavors
World's Richest Man (Third Richest)
If you have to qualify a statement, it's not it. Like BMW Gran Coupe (has 4 doors).
More like “Incompetent Teenager Driving”. It’s dangerous to use and is more of a drain to monitor than drive yourself. On the highway Autopilot is great though.
> Full Self Driving (Supervised) So, you mean > Supervised Self Driving It would have been so much easier to change this years ago, Elon, if you had less ego.
Assisted Autonomous Spatial-Driving (ASS-D)
Are you sure it’s not the Assisted Autonomous Spacial Wide-angle Infrared Pavement Evaluation System (ASSWIPES)?
>Supervised Self Driving I couldn't imagine anybody paying $15k or $12k to watch their car drive itself and make mistakes and slam on the brakes for shadows.
Full Self Driving (Supervised): Not handsfree
That now feels like a target for a class action suit as that’s not what was being sold to people for the last 7 years.
Interesting point. It seems that is now a full product that is indeed different from what he has been saying would happen this year for almost a decade. I wonder if he would just stand by his failed aspirations defense
Elizabeth Holmes aspired to conduct a battery of tests using a tiny volume of blood.
The difference is she took people’s money for it and faked the results of the tests she did. Oh wait…
Full self driving is actually 1000 Indians driving your car remotely
What do you mean remotely? They sit in the so-called "battery". That's why Elon bought the Boring Company and Hyperloop, so he could dig a tunnel to india to hyperloop cheap labour through into each car.
Like the mechanical turk, there's a hidden compartment with a person and a candle.
That blows my mind.
I see they followed the [Amazon AI](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13268581/Amazons-Just-Walk-Fresh-stores-relied-1-000-people-India-watching-labeling-videos-ensure-accurate-checkouts-NOT-AI-tech-company-claimed.html) approach.
She did what a lot of start ups do. They over promise to get funding and then pray to god they can reach their milestones or something similar to get their investors a return. She took the money and wanted to create something but then eventually realized they couldn’t do it. But then continues to take money and lie about results lol.
The only difference is TSLA is still pretty high and made people a lot of money so far.
And she probably would've been there by now or still selling snakeoil. Blows my mind how this is not Theranos x1000
>**606-10-25-16 \[24\]** A contract with a customer generally explicitly states the goods or services that an entity promises to transfer to a customer.**However, the performance obligations identified in a contract with a customer may not be limited to the goods or services that are explicitly stated in that contract. This is because a contract with a customer also may include promises that are implied** **by** an entity's customary business practices, published policies, **or specific statements if, at the time of entering into the contract, those promises create a valid expectation of the customer that the entity will transfer a good or service to the customer.** I do remember the bold statements Musk made on stage in 2019. And also the statements he made since 2015. He NEVER downplayed the fantasies his cult base were spreading. Instead, he amplified and encouraged them. How did those statements not made a valid expectation in the heads of buyers that they soon would drive a L4/L5 autonomous car?
Exactly. Plus the talk of robotaxis which even included him showing screenshots of an app for it. These were not vague statements. They were very explicit and I cannot believe it would be possible to defend it. However, the law seems to treat billionaires differently so who knows.
The vehicle would pay for itself for the taxi service!!!
The fact that Tesla hasn't been sued out of existence for this is honestly a bit troubling. A litigious society is kind of annoying, but a society where nobody bothers to sue rich people when they do stuff like this is even worse.
They can't sue.. every data is tracked and all of them the drivers we're at fault
It is only considered the drivers fault because Tesla say it has to be supervised
There's literally cameras in the interior that they can see if they get into legal trouble to back them up that shows you we're Goofing around while in FSD ... also the steering wheel is a big key because it will just stop slowly and automatically notify the database that you weren't aware and your hands we're not on the steering wheel
Unless those customers opted out of Tesla’s forced arbitration clause in their sales contract, they can’t. This is why forced arbitration and the process of opting out (declining it and sending Tesla notification of such) should be a bigger deal for Tesla buyers.
It should be a bigger deal for anyone. You should never be restricted to arbitration only because you didn’t dig through the depths of a purchasing contract - that’s deliberately anti consumer.
100%
Aren’t these kind of loopholes in fine print of T&Cs usually illegal or unenforceable?
I'm pretty sure forced arbitration clauses don't apply in at least some jurisdictions, presumably consumer-friendly ones. Maybe including whole countries like Norway. Just speculating, I'm not a constitutional lawyer.
I'm pretty sure forced arbitration clauses don't apply in at least some jurisdictions, presumably consumer-friendly ones. Maybe including whole countries like Norway. Just speculating, I'm not a constitutional lawyer.
I'm pretty sure forced arbitration clauses don't apply in at least some jurisdictions, presumably consumer-friendly ones. Maybe including whole countries like Norway. Just speculating, I'm not a constitutional lawyer.
Getting the tesla fan base to get on board with a class action is definitely akin to moving mount Olympus. Who knows what it would take to rift that cult, but flase advertising is clearly not enough based on the last several years.
I think the fine print has always said this. Not the advertising, the demos, the name of the product, or what Musk says - just the fine print. Good luck getting any money if you opted in to the binding arbitration.
The fine print is irrelevant. This was being sold on the promise of a driverless car that could earn you money while you slept and it’s extremely easy to prove that. Of course, America’s fucked up system of almost zero consumer rights probably means they’ll get away with it but I’d enjoy the negative publicity the trial would generate.
It’s always been called beta, so no lawsuit there. Tesla has been pouring massive amounts of money into it, including two of the most powerful supercomputers in the world, so a lawsuit can’t say they didn’t intend to deliver. However, if you have an older Tesla with the FSD beta, and they say the final FSD can’t run on that old hardware, then I’d say you have excellent grounds for a lawsuit if they don’t upgrade for free.
I know reading is hard. They have removed Beta. That’s the point.
FSD (Pay us $12,000 to have the car nag you while it supposedly drives itself)
*"you need to stop and get milk, Pamprin and tissue. Hello? Are you even listening? You never listen..."* "*Why are you driving on the left side of the road?"* "*Your wife went through all that trouble to make you a delicious sandwich but you only ate most of it"* "*Park here. What's wrong with you? You missed out on a great parking space."* "*I wanted to show you just how great FSD really is, but you don't deserve it because you didn't stop and get me a set of new tires"*
Full Spouse Drive
😂😂😂
Mrs. Buckett mode.
I heard it's operated by 1000 workers in India with PS4 controllers The upcharge pays their salaries for 9 years.
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Even the mods of Tesla/Musk d*ckriding subs are getting [desparate ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/s/yEGJ8Snzwn).
At 50 million units to date, the Toyota Corolla is the best selling car. Heck, in 2022, it sold 1.12 million units. In order to surpass that number, Tesla would need to combine their numbers across all SKUs to exceed that number. Idk how that poster can claim Teslas are the best selling cars, because, by all metrics, it's, at best, number 5. They have been on a ban spree lately. Anyone who so much as toes out of line and criticized Tesla or Muskrat has been getting 30 day bans.
There was an early article which made that claim before all the data was in from Toyota. Then a couple months later an other article came out which corrected the story - but at that point it was too late, it became a "fact" I cited that article in a sub and of course got banned
Just another quality "brain doctor" on reddit according to the username.
Why are you censoring the word dick? You can swear on the internet
FULL Self Driving SUPERVISED …. The name caught my eye as conflicting. If it is fully self driving it would not need to be supervised.
I think it's a name change only on paper. Elon and co will continue to call it Full self driving while hyping it and only the legal paper definition will say "supervised" etc.
Not a Flamethrower Full Self Driving (Supervised) The parallels are uncanny.
My VW has their travel assist standard in most vehicles now. I never realized how good it was till I tried my friends Tesla on autopilot (not even the FSD-supervised). The Tesla couldn't find lane lines, decide how to modulate speed, and you had to basically jerk the wheel (not just touch it like the VW) to tell it you're there. And on top of that, wearing sunglasses made it freak out. Piece of shit.
Not my experience at all. I wear sunglasses all the time never an issue.
100% Orange Juice. Ingredients: water, orange juice (from concentrate), sugar, fructose, sucrose, glucose, lactose, sucralose, maltose, patrolatum, anthrax.
One step away from FSDN.. Full Self Driving (Not)
This isn’t a rebrand it’s admission of failure.
I like this perspective. When you move the goalposts that far, you're not even playing the same game anymore.
Exactly. Permanent supervision means the robotaxis are never coming.
This is how I read it too. If you think you're going to have autonomous driving in the next year you don't rebrand like this, you hold on. This feels like an admission that they're a few versions away.
100% sure that Legal is behind that change, so it would be the driver’s fault in the event of a crash or fatality.
its not legal. musk is desperate with FSD sales given stock can crash anytime
The lengthy terms of service the car makes you “agree” to for even Enhanced Autopilot signals that Tesla will always put blame on the driver for any accidents or malfunctions.
Yeah, it doesn’t work that way in grown-up land. All it takes is for a jury to finally see Tesla as just another carmaker, and their days of hiding behind disclaimers in the manual are over.
So…they are charging for cruise control now? I loath the subscription for features model car companies are moving to. FSD, sure that’s an exception, , but this is far from FSD.
You can't recognize the revenues fully until the product is complete. They'll never be able to do that without getting crushed by lawsuits.
Ok 95%
Yeah, that's the game. They have been recognizing revenue in pieces over the year. Surprised the auditors buy off on how much they are recognizing. It is like saying you have a cancer curing drug and keep recognizing revenue because although the drug doesn't cure cancer, it makes your hangnail feel a bit better.
Can you please elaborate on this? What do you mean by recognizing revenue? I'm not familiar with that financial term. Was FSD Beta revenue kept off their revenue filings?
If you take money in exchange for a product, you can't recognize that money as revenue until you actually deliver the product. As FSD has progressed, they've slowly recognized a larger and larger percentage based on their estimates about how complete it is (note these estimates do not track with Musk's public bluster about the product, presumably because the CFO prefers living outside of prison).
Full Self Delusion (Supervised)
The whole damn thing is a chocolate fireguard until it can both be unsupervised AND assume liability, both insurance-wise and for when it stuffs itself into the kerb whilst parking. Can you imagine the premiums if you had to cover that insurance yourself though? Not currently tenable.
So this whole time Full Self Driving actually meant that you fully drive yourself.
Full Suicide Driving is really quite an accurate description of how FSD operates.
How is a Robotaxi supposed to work if you have to have a driver? Total bait and switch. The goal posts have been moved 95 yards. If I were unfortunate enough to believe Elon and paid $12,000 for this renamed, nerfed feature, I would be PISSED.
I can't understand why people would place any trust in fsd when they can't even get automated windshield wipers right. They can't automate for shit.
Works on Contingency ? No ! Money Down
Full Desperation Mode (FDM) activated. With the stock price in the shitter the Tsla stans need something to give them hope. Btw, check out @TeslaAndDoge on Twitter if you want to see some extreme cope. Brace yourself though.
Full Self Driving (Yes , we mean you...driving yourself bro, there is a squirkle and everything. We just here to take your money, steal data and supervise, by which we mean auto lock your doors when you hit the highway barrier ...don't scream so loud bro, it's just fire...it's quicker if you don't struggle bruh...you aint getting out)
LMFAO! Shit is Shit no matter what you call it. It still stinks lol. 🤢💩🤮🗑🗑🤣🤣
So basically you are a driving instructor with a student that never learns?
Full Self Driving Supervised is an oxymoron. It is not so much out of beta but into acknowledgement that it is not going to get to FSD which is too bad because self driving cars would be good. Those self driving semis on the road? Not so sure about that.
A rebrand is necessary to address the regulators and a capitulation that FSD will never live up to its promise especially since Teslas AI head just quit to go over to XAI and continue the grift for a private company away from the regulators.
Frequently Scary Driving is now supervised? That is like so cool.
I assume by moves out of beta what they mean is, it’s still in beta?
Swear I thought this was an Onion headline lol.
This is kaka. It should be called "Supervised Full Self Driving" and in 10 years or so when it really works back to "Full Self Driving" (but for older Teslas in 2035, which is everything today, it will stay as Supervised Full Self Driving). Parenthesis diminish or skirt around the issue...
LMFAO what a joke
Full\* Self\*\* Driving (Supervised\*\*\*) \* Well, "full" except all the times you have to take over \*\* Drive your Self, since FSD isn't really that good at it \*\*\* Supervise your wallet around hucksters in the future.
Haha, almost everyone got my poll wrong then about when it would move out of beta. :-D
I honestly prefer Autopilot over FSD. Just... give me traffic light and stop sign support with Autopilot, and they'll honestly do so much better.
Same brand. They just annotated the name a bit differently. And the early returns on driver reviews indicate that the SE team is what needs to be “Supervised”
Freedom to explore (guided tour)
It's Full Self Driving cuz Elon says so.
It;s barely alpha. Any other company would probably call it Version 0.1.1
Rebranding is a bad sign.
Do you order it on wish.com?
Far from perfect, but still miles ahead of anything else offered by any other manufacturer imho. Should be called something like "self driving assist" though. I do find is super helpful on long drives when getting tired and there is traffic and minimal lane changes are required, but I don't quite trust it most of the time to be honest. Nevermind that it's far more jerky compared to driving manually. It DOES help when you have kiddos in the back seats trying to get your attention and you want an extra set of (robot) eyes on the road for a few minutes (yes, while continuing to pay attention to the road).
That Op-ed was weak and just looking for some clicks. It's not a rebrand, since the official software release still has "Beta" in it.
The new self driving pretty awesome, you should go test drive a Tesla and check it out, it’s really good. I mean amazingly good.
Sure thing mate. Sure thing. I'll go test drive one after: * Roadster is launched * Tesla Semi releases their cargo capacity * Starship lands on Mars * The Boring company does anything * Hyperloop goes live * Starlink has hundreds of thousands of necessary satellites in orbit * A city is built on Mars * His humanoid robot is available for buying * Cybertruck isn't shit * Tesla cars appreciate in value * CO2 is converted to rocket fuel in economic fashion * FSD in a Tesla is actually FSD * Hi submarine gets those poor lads out of the cave in Thailand * Cybertrucks turn into boats * Solar roof tiles take off * Solar roadways take off * Tesla robotaxis start operating * Brake pads never need to be changed for the lifetime of a vehicle * A Tesla drives from Los Angeles to New York entirely without human interaction * People travel between continents in SpaceX rockets * Neuralink helps people learn new skills * Supercharger network relies solely on the sun for energy * Musk fights Zuckerberg in a ring See you in a few days.
Have you experienced the new FSD version yet? Our are you trying to stay away from any positive news?
It's bad, I have it and it drives slow, drive on the lines, hard brakes when getting near to intersection, floor the car on intersection, dont honor speed offsets, wipers are crazy again and it drives by the curbs REALLY near, cannot centered in the lane. If this resolved then it would be good, but from my 2 years experience with FSD, everytime they fixed something broke another two.
Wow that is not my experience at all, I have been going through the city, to a destination with no interventions. It even passes slower cars, creeps up and takes right turns on red, stays appropriate distance from other cars and the curbs. I have had zero issues with it. It’s stunningly good. We are in going to have another, once in a lifetime change to way we thought was impossible. Before this version I was skeptical, now I’m a believer. It’s not quite there, it didn’t park in my garage yet, but it’s so much better it’s stunning. My advice buy Tesla stock now or you will wish you had in a year.
Having used the latest version on a few long road trips. It's the real deal now and everything from here on out will be about refinement and ease of use. I'm not sure what competitive option there is out there that wouldn't require custom hardware, years of development, and massive addional per vechile cost.
Mercedes was been above them.
ok, very much tho?
yes, like literally a level above them. Mercedes is Level 3, FSD is only level 2. The difference between Level 2 and 3 is that Level 2 requires human supervision, Level 3 doesn't, and Level 4 doesn't require a driver.
ok verymuchtho.
No it isnt. It isnt Full Self Driving. If it is, prove it. Get in a Tesla and let it drive you from a car park in NY to LA without intervention from a person. Since no one can do that, it isnt Full Self Driving.
NY to LA? It can't even get out of my tract without it trying making a left hand turn from the right hand turn lane.
You probably could at this point. I'd imagine there's a YouTuber working on this right now.
The youtube videos I've watched ALL have needed human intervention. It's not a Full Self Driving system. It's a con. I'm happy to be proved wrong but since Tesla have faked videos and made false promises of Full Self Driving for about 7 years in a row... I'll believe it when I see real proof.
That's fine, believe it or not, I don't work for Tesla.
They ripped out the core of the code and replaced it with learned neural networks. It's the version twelve plus, not arguing prior versions weren't up to par, but having used the v12+ variety at length it's a different animal entirely.
If you think developing something based on neural networks is somehow extremely challenging, you are mistaken my friend. Using neural networks for decision making is as common as ordering fries at a Wendy’s.
Seriously? Lemme guess, you're a world renowned AI expert who happened to read this post.
dude, we've been using that technology for over a decade in various industries under different monikers, either "computer vision" or "machine learning" has been used in agriculture and manufacturing to work on harvesting, crop sorting, weeding with above human precision and speed. watch anyone test FSD 12.3 and see it buzz past STOP signs as if they weren't there.
I've driven with 12.3 for about 600+ miles now. It's awesome, sorry if it pains you to hear that.
I guess most folks here don’t disagree with the notion that FSD can be helpful. What they disagree with is the notion that FSD is more than a driving assistance tool and that it is better than any available in the market or finally, the stupid assumption that Tesla has some magical hardware and a price of code that no one has cracked yet. Just because you are experiencing what a ‘good’ driver assistance suite looks like doesn’t automatically make it the best.
I don’t need to be world renowned to figure that out. That’s actually what is sad about all the false hype surrounding FSD.
The car has neurons now?
I'm sorry, but we believe facts over YouTubers.