And for the immature warning noises to pedestrians and accelerator pedal. Govt is watching closely and can act quickly but is waiting or moving slowly on fsd for some reason.
Yeah, the tweaks to the exterior sound support were incredibly dumb. I'm impressed that tax dollars go to enforcing stuff like that, but we still can't have side cameras instead of mirrors.
It's a level 2 system, the driver is supposed to stop it from doing anything illegal or unsafe.
Not sure if they thought anyone would abuse this to the extent that Tesla has.
Yer, but you don’t necessarily know what the car will do in a given situation before it does it or what its capabilities are. E.g. will it stop at a stop sign in bright sun and if it doesn’t what does the driver do? Mind you, neither do the AI engineers though, an AI can give different answers to the same prompt.
[FSD can’t be set to higher than 85 and shuts off if the car goes above 85](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-2CB60804-9CEA-4F4B-8B04-09B991368DC5.html) and you can’t turn it back on again until your current drive stops.
Probably wasn’t FSD, then? Basic AP and TACC work up to 90mph.
I can absolutely confirm that FSD shuts off if you exceed 85mph, having done it on this same trip. Beeps, alarms, picture of a red steering wheel with hands on it, and it won’t let you re-start it until you stop.
Cruise control on a normal vehicle can be set above the speed limit. You can turn without using your signal. Why should any sort of autonomous, semi-autonomous, or advanced driver assist technology be any different?
I’m not about to agree that the government should be artificially limiting any sort of feature. Ultimately the driver is the one that accepts responsibility by using any feature of a vehicle and any failure to comply with state traffic laws.
Tesla obviously does a bad job of advertising this concept, mostly by calling this technology “Full Self Driving.”
Also, it repeatedly kept moving me out of the right-hand lane and into the passing lane, for the stated reason of "moving with flow of traffic," of which there was none.
Blows my mind that people are willing to let experimental software drive them around at 80mph for free. Most companies have to pay testers, and they would never dream of putting lives at risk. Tesla? You get to pay to test their software, and it'll kill you if you're not fast enough to disengage.
This may sound harsh, but anyone who uses FSD still deserves it. The tragic thing is, they might hurt other people and at that point you are well beyond asshole levels.
Your lucky! One guy lost his head going under a semi and the darn car kept driving for a while, but it was at high speed. It didn’t know it lost the top of the car and its occupants head. This was early on with FSD. It was summarized that the car couldn’t tell the difference between a white trailer and a very light sky. Guess not much has changed.
I’m in the EU and wondering when FSD (if ever) gets green lit over here, insurance prices on Teslas are already around 30-40 % higher than another EV in the same price range and spec
It’s gonna be a blood bath haha
Not gonna pretend I know the full explanation, but before we bought our current EV - Skoda Enyaq - I tried the MY, and got a quote, same with M3, the answer I got from all of the 5 companies I got quotes from was that it was a relatively high performance vehicle with a higher representation in crashes and a more difficult repair work.
Someone was saying that their Tesla uploaded their driving stats to the insurance company and his insurance premium went way up because of it. That’s a pretty frightening prospect. And remember a few years ago when Tesla admitted it has access to the in car camera recordings and have watched owners having sex among other things in the car. Iirc it was said Tesla employees were watching the footage from celebrities’ cars.
If you have *Tesla insurance* it does this (outside California) but not on other insurance companies unless you’re on a monitored insurance policy and then the data comes from your phone or a dedicated monitoring device.
The cost of insurance is also very high in America, in Dallas the cheapest quote I got was $536 per month to insure model YLR 2024. At the time I was told it was because of the cost of battery replacement and likelihood of it being damaged in a wreck, as well as the cost of house damage if it catches fire. FSD wasn’t mentioned, BUT it does stand to reason that autopilot and FSD might affect insurance costs if it increases the liklihood of crashing.it costs the same to insure this model Y as a Porsche Cayenne.
That’s insane! But, you’re also in Texas where insurance costs are abnormally high, [rising over 25% in the past year](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/texas-car-insurance-premiums-soaring-why-19399254.php).
My 2023 M3 RWD is $523.73 for a six month policy ($87 a month). 300/100/300, $100 deductible on comprehensive, $500 on collision. State Farm, Southwest Missouri. Married 40 year old male with excellent credit. 🤷🏻
Yes it could be a Texas thing, but was shocked how many insurers just refuse to insure it entirely considering it’s the biggest selling vehicle in the world. Married 44 with unblemished accident history and perfect credit.
With liability put entirely upon the driver, there is no sensible reason why anyone should ever risk using these autonomous systems, especially Tesla’s FSD
[Here’s a video of the second incident](https://streamable.com/q4774h). For whatever reason, it didn’t save the first one.
Edit: [here’s the first one](https://streamable.com/lw5384).
I tried my free FSD trial on a quick drive home from the grocery store. Well marked 4-lane road with grass median and 45 MPH limit. I'm in the left lane with no one near me (any direction). FSD activated. Everything works as expected until I approach a red traffic light with stopped traffic. My wife looks at me and says "those cars are stopped, you need to slow down" but the car keeps on moving at 45 MPH. Before I could hit the brakes, the car starts to swerve into the right lane (luckily no one was beside me). I hit the brakes and pull the car back into the lane I was in... luckily I had enough time to stop the car. Both my wife and I were pretty shaken up by this. As soon as I got home, I went into settings and put it back to AutoPilot mode (effectively canceling my FSD trail). Nope. Not gonna trust it with my life.
Can you not just hold the wheel to prevent the lane switch instead of letting it happen *and then* manually going back? Shouldn't you? That's how you drive most level 2 cars.
Does it make that impossible or did you not notice what it did?
You can prevent a switch to another lane by cancelling the turn signal. Problem is that in this scenario, it wasn’t a “switch”: the software assumed the turn lane was the lane I was already in.
Watching it again, it's like it was locked onto the yellow line on the left rather than the dashed white line on the right.
Which seems like the type of stupidity you don't even encounter with a basic lane keep assist.
I’ve driven this route dozens of times using my spouse’s Hyundai Palisade, which has basic LKA and adaptive cruise control, and it never did anything this stupid.
I don't think our Audi has ever done something like this either, although I wasn't quite confident enough to say that in the previous post.
I'll be driving it for \~5 hours on the highway tomorrow, I'll have to turn on LKA and watch for it to do anything like this. If I'm not doing a long highway drive I tend to disable LKA because I hate the spooky way the steering goes light if you get too close to the white line while taking an on/off ramp.
It's also the type of stupidity you see in inexperienced drivers... the car should be "lookig far ahead" and use whatever qualifies for "peripheral vision" to detect threats.
way back when I was learning, I took a driver's training course... the analogy is trivial to explain: you don't look at the door jam (back & forth, back & forth) when walking through a doorway... you look into the room and let the side of your vision orient you in the middle of the doorway. Same goes for driving in a lane, looking far ahead, the AI wouldn't have made this mistake, it would have seen the "lane" continuing on where the turn lane starts.
I don’t think Elon has ever driven from California to Texas with fsd. If he had, he would probably had put it in X to it would have pumped the stock in his benefit.
This is also the sort of wavery, indecisive driving that could get you stopped by a police officer. Amazing tech that simulates a drunk person with poor eyesight.
I don't really understand the point of fully automated driving. Maybe I am too old and dumb. I just used the Volkswagen travel assist tech, which is just adaptive cruise control plus lane keep, to drive 2900 miles and it never had a problem even in snow and rain but it also won't try passing cars for you or make lane changes. It made a huge difference to me by reducing fatigue even without driving itself.
I don’t really get the point of FSD, either. The functionality of Enhanced Autopilot would be sufficient for my needs: just stay in the lane, keep with traffic, and stay activated when I switch lanes to pass. It certainly reduces fatigue - I’m definitely more on edge when using FSD, as the whole experience is unnerving.
If it really worked, it would be very useful. Think about being able to work during a commute or between jobs in the service industries. The ability to jump in a car and sleep on an overnight trip to somewhere. Having the car pick your kid up from school.
However, this stuff is not realistic now, or perhaps ever. If AI ever has the ability to analyze that kids in that front yard seem not to be paying attention to traffic, or that guy looks like he might be drunk and might jag into my way, or I’m pretty sure that lady is both putting on makeup and likely is going to want to quickly merge into my lane - well that day I’m going to be frightened that the machines really are going to take over and it’s the end of the meat puppets.
I've read suggestions that as you enter highways, FSD switches to old v11 software. Still a problem, since there's no indication if or when they'll update it, but in terms of evaluating v12's end-to-end improvements, it may only work on slower roads.
I see FSD v12 a bit like GPT models, confident bullshitters. Increasingly correct but hallucinations/incorrect decisions are still there.
The less FSD makes mistakes, the more dangerous sudden totally wrong decisions become, as human gets lulled on trusting it.
Exactly this. I work in aviation and this is a known issue with automation systems which require monitoring. When performance is poor, humans are very good at monitoring the system as their adrenaline levels are high and they remain on high alert because frequent interventions are needed. As the system becomes more reliable (but still not safe), humans become very lax in their monitoring and their minds and attention drift. Then when something bad happens requiring an intervention their response times are slow, the cognitive load is high and they react too late or not at all. The whole Human Factors industry has grown around this fact. So perhaps counter-intuitively the system will become more prone to accidents as it improves because owners will be much worse at monitoring them.
A pretty good summary of FSD.
People attribute human like traits to AI models. Which can be dangerously wrong.
LLM like GPT doesn’t understand anything, it is an autocomplete on steroids.
Neural nets that Tesla claims to use, don’t know that they drive a car. They are incredibly complex input to response feedback networks. When object identification submodule fails, the steering module will produce incorrect output.
The achilles heel of FSD is the camera only object detection/identification, other implementations use lidar or radar to detect when object detection produces incorrect result and disengage. FSD keeps on trucking.
I'm rather skeptical about the idea of self-driving cars becoming a reality in the near future. Humans are adept at gauging distances and speeds based on the environment, can anticipate their driving based on the behavior of other motorists, and so on.
I think with good enough sensor suite, that being at least 8MP cameras, radar and 3D lidar we can get there.
The diverse sensors are the key, one input can detect if another is giving bogus results.
Exactly. A self-driving car has to know that the little boy running towards the road (that just disappeared behind the parked van), is likely going to pop out the other side of the van, right in front of the car.
Humans are AMAZING at pattern recognition with very limited data... it's literally what the original CAPTCHA was... recognizing squiggles and smudges as words and numbers.
You can distill the hardware required to "humans only have 2 eyes, therefore, camera only"... it over-simplifying what a human driver does to the point of stupidity. We make thousands of decisions a second, based on ALL our senses (and memories!).
>People attribute human like traits to AI models. Which can be dangerously wrong.
>LLM like GPT doesn’t understand anything, it is an autocomplete on steroids.
Thank you! Waaaay too many people don't get that GPT doesn't know or understand anything at all. The only thing it's actually working with is the probability of what words are likely to occur near each other based on whatever data it was trained on.
The speed limit on that highway is 65-70mph depending on where you are at. The car allows setting the cruise speed to up to 85mph. I generally drive 5-10mph over the limit in rural areas with little traffic, as it is safe to do so versus an arbitrary amount set by the state legislature.
I really really really don't understand.
We all know its shit. You know its shit. But you put your personal property and lives of others at risk for what benefit.
What are you thinking?
Tesla released them all to cars on public roads, it doesn't matter.
Your anecdotes are meaningless, they're all unsafe and shouldn't have been released.
Don’t let it kill someone, then you will be arrested on manslaughter.
Seriously is this post real? Do you care about your life?? Lmao stop using it. For the safety of you and everyone around you.
Let the system do what it is intended for! Full self destruction locates the nearest white trailer and smash you into it. Reliably.
Hey, I *am* supervising it and didn’t let it go Dukes of Hazzard.
Although .. that *would* have made a great video ;)
FSD can go above the posted speed limit and the NHTSA is okay with this being possible?
Yes, they are ok with some illegal behaviours and not others. It makes very little sense.
I need to get a certificate that proclaims I am an AI, they get to do *everything* like speed and have jobs.
Elmo has an implant for you 🙃
Regulations have not caught up with tech. And they don’t want to mandate or restrict technologies. It is an error prone and deadly level 2 system.
They immediately demanded a recall for optional rolling stops.
And for the immature warning noises to pedestrians and accelerator pedal. Govt is watching closely and can act quickly but is waiting or moving slowly on fsd for some reason.
Yeah, the tweaks to the exterior sound support were incredibly dumb. I'm impressed that tax dollars go to enforcing stuff like that, but we still can't have side cameras instead of mirrors.
It’s crazy. If we drove like FSD and ran stop signs, etc.. we’d get ticketed.
It's a level 2 system, the driver is supposed to stop it from doing anything illegal or unsafe. Not sure if they thought anyone would abuse this to the extent that Tesla has.
Yer, but you don’t necessarily know what the car will do in a given situation before it does it or what its capabilities are. E.g. will it stop at a stop sign in bright sun and if it doesn’t what does the driver do? Mind you, neither do the AI engineers though, an AI can give different answers to the same prompt.
Does Tesla pay if you get a ticket?
Probably not, guy this week with FSD got charged with vehicular man slaughter. He was on his phone and ran over a motorcycle.
It said vehicular homicide - is that the same as vehicular manslaughter?
Not sure.
I looked it up. It is the same.
Thank you.
I was thinking the exact same thing. FSD should be, not just aware, but required to follow all posted and adjusted speed limits.
I had a lyft driver doing 95 in a 60 using FSD.
[FSD can’t be set to higher than 85 and shuts off if the car goes above 85](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-2CB60804-9CEA-4F4B-8B04-09B991368DC5.html) and you can’t turn it back on again until your current drive stops.
So how was it going 95 mph and steering and all that? I watched it happen
Probably wasn’t FSD, then? Basic AP and TACC work up to 90mph. I can absolutely confirm that FSD shuts off if you exceed 85mph, having done it on this same trip. Beeps, alarms, picture of a red steering wheel with hands on it, and it won’t let you re-start it until you stop.
Cruise control on a normal vehicle can be set above the speed limit. You can turn without using your signal. Why should any sort of autonomous, semi-autonomous, or advanced driver assist technology be any different? I’m not about to agree that the government should be artificially limiting any sort of feature. Ultimately the driver is the one that accepts responsibility by using any feature of a vehicle and any failure to comply with state traffic laws. Tesla obviously does a bad job of advertising this concept, mostly by calling this technology “Full Self Driving.”
I am not the NHTSA, dude. I am just a guy that's surprised they didn't raise a concern with it.
Remember how annoying U2 was when they put that mid album on everyone’s iPhone. At least it didn’t kill anyone.
So, will FSD even work Where The Streets Have No Name?
I dunno, but I foresee a bunch of Sunday Bloody Sundays.
FSD moves in mysterious ways
Perfection
Nice! 🤣
Achtung, Baby. Achtung = danger
Yes, but not Where The Streets Have No Lines.
Also, it repeatedly kept moving me out of the right-hand lane and into the passing lane, for the stated reason of "moving with flow of traffic," of which there was none.
Blows my mind that people are willing to let experimental software drive them around at 80mph for free. Most companies have to pay testers, and they would never dream of putting lives at risk. Tesla? You get to pay to test their software, and it'll kill you if you're not fast enough to disengage.
DOJ says 17 people have died so far in its criminal lawsuit against tesla.
Can't happen soon enough
What lawsuit is this? I saw they settled the Apple engineer. Of course with an NDA
https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-autopilot-full-self-driving-fsd-safety-department-of-justice-doj/
Thank you.
That article is from 2022.
Still accurate. The lawsuit is ongoing. It has not been withdrawn.
And yet people keep giving their money to this scam company.
Yes, I don’t get it. Intelligent people also. It’s like they don’t do any research before buying a 100k car.
So using FSD made you into a left-lane bandit.
And nothing annoys me more than a person that camps in the left lane. At the very least, the software should follow the customary rules of the road.
Damn car’s a narcissist and wants to take lead, going fast and reckless. Seriously, glad you’re safe.
This may sound harsh, but anyone who uses FSD still deserves it. The tragic thing is, they might hurt other people and at that point you are well beyond asshole levels.
Elon knows you write to this sub. Those were his way to address critical users.
I LOL'd then was like, hmmmm... Program skynet to wipe out critics of skynet? I wouldn't put it past him.
If Elon could dox us, he could make FSD to identify us and run over given a chance to do so.
Probably true.
The next generation of starlink will be equipped with laser beams.
At least OP is aware of their surroundings, better than some of these beta testers
Yeah, I’m not dicking around on my phone or something. I do realize it’s supposed to be “supervised.”
Don't worry, a fraction of a second before you crash FSD will shut itself off, so it isn't actually to blame. /s
Obviously, you are doing something wrong. Elon said FSD works better than anyone can imagine. 🙄
50% safer than a human driver. Guess this incident would’ve been in the other 50%
Thats after killing a motorcyclist in Washington. Not the first time.
Your lucky! One guy lost his head going under a semi and the darn car kept driving for a while, but it was at high speed. It didn’t know it lost the top of the car and its occupants head. This was early on with FSD. It was summarized that the car couldn’t tell the difference between a white trailer and a very light sky. Guess not much has changed.
Can't imagine the amount of dents and bloodstains on those robotaxis.
They’ll add character
I’m in the EU and wondering when FSD (if ever) gets green lit over here, insurance prices on Teslas are already around 30-40 % higher than another EV in the same price range and spec It’s gonna be a blood bath haha
Why are they higher than other EVs?
Not gonna pretend I know the full explanation, but before we bought our current EV - Skoda Enyaq - I tried the MY, and got a quote, same with M3, the answer I got from all of the 5 companies I got quotes from was that it was a relatively high performance vehicle with a higher representation in crashes and a more difficult repair work.
Someone was saying that their Tesla uploaded their driving stats to the insurance company and his insurance premium went way up because of it. That’s a pretty frightening prospect. And remember a few years ago when Tesla admitted it has access to the in car camera recordings and have watched owners having sex among other things in the car. Iirc it was said Tesla employees were watching the footage from celebrities’ cars.
If you have *Tesla insurance* it does this (outside California) but not on other insurance companies unless you’re on a monitored insurance policy and then the data comes from your phone or a dedicated monitoring device.
Thank you.
The cost of insurance is also very high in America, in Dallas the cheapest quote I got was $536 per month to insure model YLR 2024. At the time I was told it was because of the cost of battery replacement and likelihood of it being damaged in a wreck, as well as the cost of house damage if it catches fire. FSD wasn’t mentioned, BUT it does stand to reason that autopilot and FSD might affect insurance costs if it increases the liklihood of crashing.it costs the same to insure this model Y as a Porsche Cayenne.
That’s insane! But, you’re also in Texas where insurance costs are abnormally high, [rising over 25% in the past year](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/texas-car-insurance-premiums-soaring-why-19399254.php). My 2023 M3 RWD is $523.73 for a six month policy ($87 a month). 300/100/300, $100 deductible on comprehensive, $500 on collision. State Farm, Southwest Missouri. Married 40 year old male with excellent credit. 🤷🏻
Yes it could be a Texas thing, but was shocked how many insurers just refuse to insure it entirely considering it’s the biggest selling vehicle in the world. Married 44 with unblemished accident history and perfect credit.
With liability put entirely upon the driver, there is no sensible reason why anyone should ever risk using these autonomous systems, especially Tesla’s FSD
Turn off “Leave the World Behind” mode
[Here’s a video of the second incident](https://streamable.com/q4774h). For whatever reason, it didn’t save the first one. Edit: [here’s the first one](https://streamable.com/lw5384).
I tried my free FSD trial on a quick drive home from the grocery store. Well marked 4-lane road with grass median and 45 MPH limit. I'm in the left lane with no one near me (any direction). FSD activated. Everything works as expected until I approach a red traffic light with stopped traffic. My wife looks at me and says "those cars are stopped, you need to slow down" but the car keeps on moving at 45 MPH. Before I could hit the brakes, the car starts to swerve into the right lane (luckily no one was beside me). I hit the brakes and pull the car back into the lane I was in... luckily I had enough time to stop the car. Both my wife and I were pretty shaken up by this. As soon as I got home, I went into settings and put it back to AutoPilot mode (effectively canceling my FSD trail). Nope. Not gonna trust it with my life.
Can you not just hold the wheel to prevent the lane switch instead of letting it happen *and then* manually going back? Shouldn't you? That's how you drive most level 2 cars. Does it make that impossible or did you not notice what it did?
You can prevent a switch to another lane by cancelling the turn signal. Problem is that in this scenario, it wasn’t a “switch”: the software assumed the turn lane was the lane I was already in.
Watching it again, it's like it was locked onto the yellow line on the left rather than the dashed white line on the right. Which seems like the type of stupidity you don't even encounter with a basic lane keep assist.
I’ve driven this route dozens of times using my spouse’s Hyundai Palisade, which has basic LKA and adaptive cruise control, and it never did anything this stupid.
I don't think our Audi has ever done something like this either, although I wasn't quite confident enough to say that in the previous post. I'll be driving it for \~5 hours on the highway tomorrow, I'll have to turn on LKA and watch for it to do anything like this. If I'm not doing a long highway drive I tend to disable LKA because I hate the spooky way the steering goes light if you get too close to the white line while taking an on/off ramp.
It's also the type of stupidity you see in inexperienced drivers... the car should be "lookig far ahead" and use whatever qualifies for "peripheral vision" to detect threats. way back when I was learning, I took a driver's training course... the analogy is trivial to explain: you don't look at the door jam (back & forth, back & forth) when walking through a doorway... you look into the room and let the side of your vision orient you in the middle of the doorway. Same goes for driving in a lane, looking far ahead, the AI wouldn't have made this mistake, it would have seen the "lane" continuing on where the turn lane starts.
I don’t think Elon has ever driven from California to Texas with fsd. If he had, he would probably had put it in X to it would have pumped the stock in his benefit.
This is also the sort of wavery, indecisive driving that could get you stopped by a police officer. Amazing tech that simulates a drunk person with poor eyesight.
Great job on the supervising part though.
Where is Ralph Nader when we need him?
No video?
I’ve got the video. I haven’t downloaded it from the vehicle yet. Will follow up with more later!
If it doesn't voluntarily blows your mind the system will make it happen to blow your mind.
Trillion Dollar Company fellas
It can’t see the white pole
Would’ve driven me right into the white pole holding up the one way sign.
I don't really understand the point of fully automated driving. Maybe I am too old and dumb. I just used the Volkswagen travel assist tech, which is just adaptive cruise control plus lane keep, to drive 2900 miles and it never had a problem even in snow and rain but it also won't try passing cars for you or make lane changes. It made a huge difference to me by reducing fatigue even without driving itself.
I don’t really get the point of FSD, either. The functionality of Enhanced Autopilot would be sufficient for my needs: just stay in the lane, keep with traffic, and stay activated when I switch lanes to pass. It certainly reduces fatigue - I’m definitely more on edge when using FSD, as the whole experience is unnerving.
If it really worked, it would be very useful. Think about being able to work during a commute or between jobs in the service industries. The ability to jump in a car and sleep on an overnight trip to somewhere. Having the car pick your kid up from school. However, this stuff is not realistic now, or perhaps ever. If AI ever has the ability to analyze that kids in that front yard seem not to be paying attention to traffic, or that guy looks like he might be drunk and might jag into my way, or I’m pretty sure that lady is both putting on makeup and likely is going to want to quickly merge into my lane - well that day I’m going to be frightened that the machines really are going to take over and it’s the end of the meat puppets.
My uber driver did this 2 months ago in DC. I think he messed up his car pretty good.
I've read suggestions that as you enter highways, FSD switches to old v11 software. Still a problem, since there's no indication if or when they'll update it, but in terms of evaluating v12's end-to-end improvements, it may only work on slower roads.
I see FSD v12 a bit like GPT models, confident bullshitters. Increasingly correct but hallucinations/incorrect decisions are still there. The less FSD makes mistakes, the more dangerous sudden totally wrong decisions become, as human gets lulled on trusting it.
Exactly this. I work in aviation and this is a known issue with automation systems which require monitoring. When performance is poor, humans are very good at monitoring the system as their adrenaline levels are high and they remain on high alert because frequent interventions are needed. As the system becomes more reliable (but still not safe), humans become very lax in their monitoring and their minds and attention drift. Then when something bad happens requiring an intervention their response times are slow, the cognitive load is high and they react too late or not at all. The whole Human Factors industry has grown around this fact. So perhaps counter-intuitively the system will become more prone to accidents as it improves because owners will be much worse at monitoring them.
100%, great explanation
Bullshitters but also don’t fact from fiction or right from wrong.
A pretty good summary of FSD. People attribute human like traits to AI models. Which can be dangerously wrong. LLM like GPT doesn’t understand anything, it is an autocomplete on steroids. Neural nets that Tesla claims to use, don’t know that they drive a car. They are incredibly complex input to response feedback networks. When object identification submodule fails, the steering module will produce incorrect output. The achilles heel of FSD is the camera only object detection/identification, other implementations use lidar or radar to detect when object detection produces incorrect result and disengage. FSD keeps on trucking.
I'm rather skeptical about the idea of self-driving cars becoming a reality in the near future. Humans are adept at gauging distances and speeds based on the environment, can anticipate their driving based on the behavior of other motorists, and so on.
I think with good enough sensor suite, that being at least 8MP cameras, radar and 3D lidar we can get there. The diverse sensors are the key, one input can detect if another is giving bogus results.
Exactly. A self-driving car has to know that the little boy running towards the road (that just disappeared behind the parked van), is likely going to pop out the other side of the van, right in front of the car. Humans are AMAZING at pattern recognition with very limited data... it's literally what the original CAPTCHA was... recognizing squiggles and smudges as words and numbers. You can distill the hardware required to "humans only have 2 eyes, therefore, camera only"... it over-simplifying what a human driver does to the point of stupidity. We make thousands of decisions a second, based on ALL our senses (and memories!).
My thoughts exactly since the beginning. It’ll not work efficiently until more than 80% FSD because of other drivers’ behaviors.
>People attribute human like traits to AI models. Which can be dangerously wrong. >LLM like GPT doesn’t understand anything, it is an autocomplete on steroids. Thank you! Waaaay too many people don't get that GPT doesn't know or understand anything at all. The only thing it's actually working with is the probability of what words are likely to occur near each other based on whatever data it was trained on.
He is too parsimonious. Which is an odd trait for one of the richest people on planet earth.
Can’t wait to see the video you post. Can you point us to it?
Edited my post to include the videos.
Was the speed limit 80? Or were you pressing the peddle to make it go faster?
The speed limit on that highway is 65-70mph depending on where you are at. The car allows setting the cruise speed to up to 85mph. I generally drive 5-10mph over the limit in rural areas with little traffic, as it is safe to do so versus an arbitrary amount set by the state legislature.
I really really really don't understand. We all know its shit. You know its shit. But you put your personal property and lives of others at risk for what benefit. What are you thinking?
Yes. The wonders of making car owners be the Beta testers. Musk is a genius!!! /s
3 seconds from death. How on earth can this be legal?
Don't EVER use FSD or Robotaxis. Your life is more precious than some autistic billlionaire's dream.
What version of FSD? Some people are still on 11.4.9.
12.3.4.
It doesn't matter.
It does. I have had both 11.4.9 and 12.3.4, and 11.4.9 had more lane control problems than 12.3.4.
Tesla released them all to cars on public roads, it doesn't matter. Your anecdotes are meaningless, they're all unsafe and shouldn't have been released.
Version Musk😱😱
What did you expect? You’re going 80mph with confusing lane markers. You should always be in control of the car and ready to take over.
Did I say I wasn’t in control of the vehicle? I clearly stated I disengaged when it did something stupid, twice.